veteran-class

[frank ether]

not that anything wrong about that

you'd always want the highest dps weapon

this is an unbraced graia lmao

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

Is that veteran or zealot

[frank ether]

zealot

braced more like this

there is no duelist on this build

I'm not aiming for head

[tall torrent]

There’s no need for duelist for braced autoguns

[frank ether]

I just press F and shoot like a brainlet

[tall torrent]

They have bad finesse anyway

Fury downgrade armor is just crazy

U can make up for lots of gun weaknesses via fury

[frank ether]

yea you can just

press F and murk carapace fine

[hollow ibex]

is fury rending or something like brittleness lol

[frank ether]

Its not that this is overpowered on its own

its more so that

[tall torrent]

However I will say zealot has pretty bad point taxes all around

[frank ether]

you sacrifice NOTHING

to have this

[tall torrent]

No it just downgrades armor

[frank ether]

you just have fury of the faithful on your build

[hollow ibex]

ah ic

[tall torrent]

It makes your attacks treat carapace as flak

Flak as unarmored

[white minnow]

so if your gun does 10% damage to carapace and 130% damage to flak,
Ulting with fury of the faithful, your gun would now do 130% damage to crushers

[frank ether]

The point here is I'm sacrificing fuck all to have this

[tall torrent]

Yes it’s busted
Yes they tried to fix it
No they couldn’t fix it

[frank ether]

I'm still a melee build

[tall torrent]

So it’s a feature now

[frank ether]

I still have invulnerability every 2 mins

I still print crits on both weapons with no effort

but zealot juicing their guns for free is not the issue

somehow you giving them ammo regen is

thats what breaks the game balance

if they could just get that ammo from map pick-ups and remove you entirely from the equation

then darktide is saved

[torn needle]

Which combat blade do y'all prefer?

For flesh tearer and riposte setup

[hollow ibex]

prob 3

so you can proc flesh tearer faster with light spam

[torn needle]

Is the light spam faster? I haven't really looked into them a lot

You also hit more with the lights on the mk6 though no?

As in larger sweeps

[frank ether]

no thats the heavies

its got some cleave on heavies

[torn needle]

But the light chain lacks that stab that the mk3 has, so it should hit more things overall

If that makes sense

[frank ether]

I mean you do you

I dont rly play bleed knife

so I dont feel comfortable giving advice on it besides telling you which one has faster lights

[vagrant hornet]

Can I reroll 2 perks on my gun or only 1?

[spring spindle]

Either 1 perk and one blessing. 2 perks and no blessings. Or vice versa

[vagrant hornet]

My gun has:

• 20% carapace damage

• 4% crit strike

• fire frenzy

• dumdum

What should I reroll?

[hollow ibex]

what gun?

blessings are prob good though

[vagrant hornet]

Commus mk v autogun

I know I want to reroll 1 for 25% vs flak

[hollow ibex]

yeah blessings are good

i'd reroll the perks into maniac/flak

[vagrant hornet]

Ok thanks. Can I reroll a skill I've already rerolled?

Like say I reroll into flak and reload speed then find reload speed not worth. Can I reroll reload speed into manic ?

[sonic marlin]

yes

when you edit something it unlocks that slot and can be changed infinite times

[vagrant hornet]

Ok sweet.

Just got to lvl 30 so all this is new as I've been told to do nothing until you hit 30 lol

[serene bough]

Mk6 w/ uncanny

Both blades are good but take uncanny, someone here spent time to prove that uncanny is the best blessing

[golden nacelle]

Skullcrusher a good shovel blessing?

Like, worth it enough to buy a shovel from melk to earn a lvl 4?

[zealous depot]

That's melks job

[golden nacelle]

Indeed it is haha, but is skullcrusher a blessing im gonna want to have in pocket

for shovels

I haven'y made a decent shovel yet

I've got this guy to play with

I've got Decimator, Uncanny, Trauma, and Thunderstrike unlocked for lvl 4

[junior needle]

For light attacks, mk3 is objectively superior due to having extra damage on the 3rd attack in the chain while having the exact same cleave values as the 6 on lights.

I wouldn't suggest going for a flesh tearer setup on vet as you need a lot of consistent crit for value and zealot just gets way, way more of that. I also wouldn't suggest going for a bleed setup without uncanny.

(If you want to leverage bleed lights are substantially better for that purpose as heavies are slower and also do a ton of damage)

[placid portal]

mk3 seems to have faster light attack pattern but that's just me

mk6 got cleaving heavies on 1 and 2 but annoying to loop

if in doubt, both knifes got the Punch stab for quick damage

[junior needle]

Can't get the punch stab to work without getting most of the punch animation

[torn needle]

Riposte plus base knife crit chance plus reciprocity and 5% crit talent is pretty high chance, isn't it enough? But thank you. I had thought that the mk6 might have been better because it doesn't have the stab on the light chain which reduces the overall cleave

I'm talking specifically for horde clear

And control

Though I guess mk6 with uncanny is likely the overall better choice?

And just chain heavies

[junior needle]

You want more. Also reciprocity isn't nearly as reliable as scourge/piety. Something to keep in mind is that how wide an attack is doesn't translate to targets hit. If you don't have enough cleave, your attacks stop cleaving, and the lights on both knives have the same values.

[junior needle]

Not if you want to play around flesh tearer.

[torn needle]

What would you recommend for a vet who wants to use a knife for mobility but wants to dedicate it to trash clear as well

[placid portal]

Rending backstab gamers where you at?

[torn needle]

I don't necessarily need bleed

[placid portal]

Flesh tearer definitely helps a million vs hoarde

also lots of stamina curios

[torn needle]

I also use it for the occasional elite and special kill in melee

[placid portal]

tbh only thing you should get is Stamina curios to not worry about getting overwhelmed with knife

[torn needle]

Cuz right now I have an mk3 with crit chance, riposte, and flesh tearer

[torn needle]

I always run a +3

[junior needle]

Uncanny is BIS, so you'll always want that. Big bonus damage to 4 armor types and lets you open up crushers. You have a few options like riposte, mercy killer (REQUIRES serrated blade, talent taxes), or the finesse on dodge one.

[torn needle]

What about the knife type, still mk3 recommended?

[junior needle]

Also bruh, these reddit takes.

[torn needle]

I don't plan on using it for crushers or any armor other than getting a free hit rarely

I plan on using a dedicated ranged option like columnus or plasma to carry

[junior needle]

If you intend to light spam it will be objectively better because of the big poke that does extra damage. You can juggle the heavies on the 6 for slightly better clear but I don't like doing that, personally.

[torn needle]

Fair enough

The poke still has cleave but enemies basically need to be on top of each other right?

[zealous depot]

God forbid someone like the recon

[placid portal]

*blessings are virtually perfect

[zealous depot]

"it's bad now"

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-doctor-meme-gif-23263243

[junior needle]

The virtually perfect blessings in question

[placid portal]

if only the recon can even get any kills

not like it could

[junior needle]

I mean, it objectively is. I like recons, I want them to be good. I'm quite annoyed that they are consistently not allowed to be good.

That's why I bitch and moan so often about them

[placid portal]

The one time it did it got nerfed with one number change

From 3 to 2

[junior needle]

It got more number changes than that

[zealous depot]

You know people get so upset about a weapon about not being able to kill a specific thing in x amounts of shots

[placid portal]

Right forgor

[torn needle]

Damage isn't 'dump' but damn people really care too much about perfect 75+ rolls sometimes

[zealous depot]

But x+ 10 usually does it

Shoot it more is an option recons support

[placid portal]

If that's on a revolver I think you should report to your local gunsmith

[zealous depot]

It's not plasma but

It's not like 80% of people take plasma

[junior needle]

Doesn't really have anything to do with the number of shots, fast firing weapons are perfectly fine. The issue is that their dps and ammo efficiency are comparatively very poor.

[zealous depot]

Right?

[junior needle]

If it had a DEEP ammo reserve then you could maybe justify some weenie damage but

[placid portal]

yea even vs autoguns which is maddening

[zealous depot]

Mathematically it is bad, in terms of shoot the funny man with red, it's great

[junior needle]

It should be good because shoot funny man with red good

Obesefish say no

Obesefish bad

[zealous depot]

I never quite got how shock trooper doesnt make recon efficient

I know it doesnt

A lot of people say it doesnt

[junior needle]

So, it used to

[zealous depot]

And I know they reworked.it shitty

But and I know this is a "I feel" I've never had ammo issues as long as I have shock

[junior needle]

It only works on the first crit in a string now. Then to add insult to injury, they gutted the crit strings of all the recons from 3/4/5 to 2.

[junior needle]

You may be taking a lot more ammo pickups than other people.

This is very consistent whenever I see a recon user in my games

[zealous depot]

I'm not an ammo pickup guy

I lean into critting FOR shock tho

So that might not be applicable to general use

[junior needle]

Well, with the objective ammo efficiency of the guns, they need to take considerably more ammo to do the same thing.

You may not be using your gun that much, which would explain it.

[zealous wyvern]

if youre the only gun build on the team, recon should be fine

then again, if youre the only gun build, your strike team might be lacking ranged dps

since the one guy with a gun build focus has the worst gun in the game?

[junior needle]

6d might be a bit better than the shredder at least, and the other recons

[zealous wyvern]

true. better than shredder

[junior needle]

recon 2 is absolutely the worst though

[zealous wyvern]

because of better range right?

mostly

[junior needle]

Actually hitting things at range, yeah.

[zealous wyvern]

and shocktrooper lets you shoot more i suppose

but agian that doesnt help with dps that much

[junior needle]

It's not nearly as good ammo efficiency as it used to be sadly

1/5 as good as it was in patch 13 on a 6d

I'm also gonna post this game from mr creme again, because it shows the typical recon lasgun teammate experience

12 small ammo packs, 6 large, 2 crate pickups, very little melee kills or damage. They basically just suction ammo and fire into melee chaffe all game.

[white minnow]

simply have two psykers and a melee-happy ogryn on your team and you can have all 510% of the ammo on the map to yourself https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1203209200893820938/image.png?ex=65d97d64&is=65c70864&hm=69445d048db2056dba52fdbc779fc3adfeb160e57c5e8e4c008e905f3230ef9f&

[junior needle]

5 melee kills

[tall torrent]

What’s CRPC

[junior needle]

I assume carapace

[tall torrent]

Oh ok

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[umbral scaffold]

what curios are staples for a good vet 🤔

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[umbral scaffold]

no stamina?

[left zephyr]

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[tall torrent]

1 toughness, 1 stamina, 1 health is pretty good

[left zephyr]

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[tall torrent]

That’s what I use

[left zephyr]

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[tall torrent]

U could run 2 toughness 1 health if you need to tank more shooters

[tall torrent]

I have 189 health and 163 toughness with it

[left zephyr]

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[tall torrent]

Full toughness is funny but not the most impactful rn

[left zephyr]

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[tall torrent]

Building extra toughness doesn’t make u more durable in melee cuz melee bleed-through is based on %toughness

You do get drained of toughness slower

But veteran has a lot of ways to regain toughness rn

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[tall torrent]

Well no, you sort of need gold toughness for that

If you’re just building regular toughness I think u need some really crazy numbers to be able to tank a burster or a sniper shot

Not worth going for

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[tall torrent]

What toughness resistance perks

[raw steppe]

The thing that'll help the most is learning to melee honestly

No amount of defenses will help if your fundamentals are bad

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[tall torrent]

I’ll be honest if you’re building as much toughness as possible so you can tank a burster to the face you might as well build cdr on all ur curios and just get to pop VoC more often

And instead of triple toughness, build smth normal

[raw steppe]

He's having trouble with pox walkers

Not busters

You read it wrong

[tall torrent]

Oh mb

Uh

Poxwalkers

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[raw steppe]

What'll help is your melee fundamentals

Fix your basics

[tall torrent]

Yea if ur going frontline vet, you should prob go a balanced route of stam + toughness + health

But more importantly learn melee

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[white minnow]

spam dodges and you'll be a-okay

[tall torrent]

Basically every single player I’ve ever met that struggles in heresy/damnation can be summed up as “gotta learn melee”

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[white minnow]

yeah and dodges are free

just spam them until you run out of efficient dodges and then wait 0.85s for them to refresh

and spam them again

[placid portal]

The government doesn't tell you this but the dodges are free, I have like 15 dodges in my bank right now

[white minnow]

you get ranged i-frames on dodges, and there's something akin to i-frames for melee except the game makes an extra check for how close you are to the attack

[tall torrent]

Melee dmg bleedthrough is based on %toughness so building a load of toughness doesn’t really make you tank hordes better

Extra toughness helps you tank shooters a bit better because ranged attacks dmg toughness first

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[tall torrent]

You really should learn melee basics though

If you don’t have those basics down, no amount of buildcraft can help

[raw steppe]

Darktide isn't really a game you can beat in the skill tree

The skill tree is mostly your dmg output

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[raw steppe]

Defenses are pretty much purely mechanical

So most of us just go full damage

[tall torrent]

If you want actual survivability stuff for melee, build stamina regen and block efficiency on ur curios

[raw steppe]

With a couple of the strong nodes like iron will

[left zephyr]

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[tall torrent]

Those actually do help u survive better in melee

Block efficiency makes it cost less stamina to block attacks

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[tall torrent]

Stamina regen rate increases how much u gain once the regen delay is over

I’d also suggest picking up a stamina boost node on the talent tree

One on bottom left, one on bottom right, you could go for either depending on your build

That cuts your stamina regen delay from 1s to 0.75s which is a MASSIVE difference when you actually do need to block & dodge to stay on the defensive

Grabbing both makes you regen stamina incredibly fast but for most builds that’s a pretty heavy point tax and generally isn’t needed

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[tidal rapids]

Can't tell if I'm having an off time with hellbore because I'm seemingly half a second out of sync or I'm a scrub who can't aim with them iron sights

[woeful ibex]

which version?

[tidal rapids]

MK2

[tall torrent]

Toughness regen is not the most impactful perk for curios because it only affects coherency regen (pauses when getting hit), and veteran typically gets most of his regen from killing things

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[tall torrent]

Catch a breath (talent) is more toughness regen than triple stacked +30% toughness regen perk on curios

[left zephyr]

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[tall torrent]

It’s not useless, ogryn gets a lot of value out of it

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[tall torrent]

You can get one toughness regen perk and see if u like it

I just wouldn’t recommend running it on all 3 of ur curios

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[raw steppe]

I'm not sure I agree lol

I think toughness regen is one of those where you either run 3x or 0x

Due to the way it stacks

I think stuff like gunner res, stam regen, you can run 0,1,2 or 3 depending on what u pref

But toughness regen affects both the delay AND the amount iirc

So getting 3 is much much much stronger

[tall torrent]

It’s a pretty small difference I think? Toughness regen scales off a base of 5/s at full coherency

[fresh saddle]

folks, what is your take on Focus Target spammers?

i'm not complaining about people who use it to highlight targets, but i've had two games tonight where a Vet was spamming back and forth on multiple specials/elites that we were already fighting

[tall torrent]

It’s not even %toughness based

[tall torrent]

How hard was he spamming

[raw steppe]

Ye but each one improves both stats by a ton

So you go from 5 to 6.5 to 8 to 9.5, and the delay also shortens

[tall torrent]

It’s alright ig, I might try it

[fresh saddle]

hard. like 3 or 4 times a second, on a pack of Ragers kind of spamming

[tall torrent]

Was he actually killing any one of them

[raw steppe]

Ye he prob bound to lmb

So you can just block and move on or just move ob

[fresh saddle]

i thought that at first, but it wasn't on all specials

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[raw steppe]

Binding to lmb is usually kinda bad

[raw steppe]

Ye its only coherency

Its not bad to run 3x if you're new

[fresh saddle]

it was Shock Troop Gauntlet, i was stuck in with the Ragers while he was shooting

[raw steppe]

But most experienced players run 0x

And just have better curio stats

[tall torrent]

He prob bound to lmb, block him ig

[raw steppe]

I honestly think that running 3x toughness regen is great for new players

[fresh saddle]

yeah i did. sucks to deal with in the game at the time

[tall torrent]

Think this way, Ogryn with lynchpin & middle aura has +70% toughness regen and he can regen really quickly when staying close to the team

It’s not a bad option, it’s just that as you get more used to veteran’s kit you become less reliant on coherency regen

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[tall torrent]

If you’re not in melee, catch a breath regens more toughness than stacked coherency regen

If you’re in melee, veteran wants strong horde clear melee options so you’ll prob get a lot of toughness just from killing things

And if you’re blocking & dodging properly so that you’re not getting hit much, you won’t even need to regen that much toughness

[white minnow]

should be 7.5/s since while the base coherency regen is 5/s, weapons for some reason have a 1.5x modifier on this rate and effectively give you a 7.5/s coherency regen rate though things could have changed since

[slender turtle]

Can you bind the mark ability to your lmb

[white minnow]

yes (unfortunately)

[slender turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-cringe-cringe-oh-no-kimo-kimmo-gif-23168319

[raw steppe]

Yeah its really bad

[slender turtle]

Well i met my first plasma vet that did so

[raw steppe]

But someone on reddit

Was telling other ppl to do it

So now its popularized

I dont see it too often

[slender turtle]

I didnt even know that was a thing till i noticed this dude was on top of his marking game with plasma

[raw steppe]

In aurics so its k i guess lol

The problem is when you have like a bomber or something that runs behind cover

And you want to track it

[slender turtle]

Doesnt that just get uncomfortable though. marking something only to fire and probably aggro

[placid portal]

You could tell if the target is behind cover if the higlight is dim

[stone tapir]

what are the differences between the recon lasguns? i havent noticed anything special about either of the 3

[placid portal]

Yes

[raw steppe]

Yeah they're all shit

So its hard to differentiate atm 😹

[slender turtle]

RoF mianly. But till fs gets off their asses and buff them again, they are mainly just for bringing the team's DPS down

[raw steppe]

But i think they have differences in damage scaling, fire rate and falloff iirc

[stone tapir]

jesus, i dont play enough to keep up with all the buffs and debuffs

one day recons are great, the next theyre not, then by next week they'll be a space marines best friend

[slender turtle]

you dont need to. lasguns in a weird spot/ Infantry auto guns are in a great spot

[frank basin]

Mk2 normal fire rate and mk6d shot like P90 while mk7a shoot slow high damage

[stone tapir]

thank you, i need more of this...

[frank basin]

All recon has told they are bad

Community not favor it but they been putting wish list for buff

[stiff glacier]

recons need to be kinda built around

infernus and maxing crit effects with +25 vs flak has worked for me

[stone tapir]

so, what youre saying is that i need to return to monkey and use the pseudo space FN FAL?

[frank basin]

Headhunter idk I forgot

They said okay or good

But autogun infantry is on spot rn

Specially Columnus infantry autogun are meta spot

[stiff glacier]

i do like recon mk6 with psyker tho

[frank basin]

Power creeped

[stiff glacier]

columnus is a beast

[frank basin]

I still have on psyker too

Yes I have both Columnus and recon 6d

[soft blade]

if you wanna be optimal ye

[frank basin]

I remember using recon 6d with soul siphon is damage good

[soft blade]

IAGs plasma and revolvers are dominant rn

or revolver ig

[frank basin]

The zorana revolver?

[soft blade]

agri is kinda bad

[frank basin]

Man I’m suck at aim the zorona

Agrip like only revolver I didn’t suck much

Should be six chambered.

[raw steppe]

I'm sure anything works on lower difficulties lol

[stone tapir]

with enough stubbornnes anything will work anywhere

[raw steppe]

Infernus isnt very good at damnation hp scaling sadly

Anything that you hit with enough crits for infernus to matter should be dead from your gun

[stiff glacier]

i have been playing nothing but damnation

[stone tapir]

so the current recon "meta" is to stack crit chance with infernus, got it

[junior needle]

Rof, ammo usage per shot (7a uses 2 but does more damage), damage per shot. More particularly, the 2 and 7a have especially bad dps.

Current recon meta is to not use them because they're dog

[stone tapir]

im a stubborn guy, ima use the flashy bits

[junior needle]

Alternatively, if you're not a team player

You can choose to suction all the ammo from your team and shoot into melee chaffe the whole game

[stone tapir]

funny gun go brrr, and thats all i need

[junior needle]

This is what 95% of recon users in auric do

[compact viper]

plasma and columnus are meta and anything else is a meme and you're just trying to have fun

[stone tapir]

wait

[frank basin]

That’s what it is

[stone tapir]

pladma came back from the depths of dog ass?

[frank basin]

Yeah

[compact viper]

yeah its insane

[frank basin]

Plasma now just quick shot 500 damage

[stone tapir]

i know what im using tomorrow

[compact viper]

probably better than columnus if built right

and if you're good enough at playing it

[junior needle]

I'm not kidding when I say this, even the 6d (best performing recon) does 1/2-1/4 the dps of a ciag. Just use the pewpew mod with iag to replace the visuals and sounds with lasers.

[stone tapir]

its a pladma, you cant be not good with it

[compact viper]

i mean, you can

[frank basin]

I seen more vet using plasma

[compact viper]

you can reload in shit spots and die

[stone tapir]

sems like a lot of work... ill just use the funny gun

[compact viper]

like half the people who use it

[stone tapir]

just dont die, its not hard

[compact viper]

i didnt say i had that problem, i said a lot do

[junior needle]

Just don't take it into aurics or you're liable to get matchmade with me and enter my recon cringe compilation

[compact viper]

its a crazy gun

[frank basin]

Recon hater

[compact viper]

but if not built for proper breakpoints it can kinda suck since you have to multishot some stuff

[stone tapir]

im down, as long as i get a .00001% share of profits

[frank basin]

Yeah go try auric recon then

[junior needle]

Duty is its own reward

[stone tapir]

i mean, thats basically just saying my name

[frank basin]

Lol

[junior needle]

Well, don't say we didn't warn you

They're quite subpar in terms of both dps and ammo efficiency

[stone tapir]

i mean, it cant be as bad as someone using smoke nades

[junior needle]

And they got gutted months ago with no buffs in sight

[frank basin]

They used to have like no cost 2-3 per shot on two mark

Does it?

[junior needle]

Well here's a visual representation, in case you aren't believing

[stone tapir]

ok thats fair

[junior needle]

The dps difference is uh

massive

Also ammo efficiency difference

[frank basin]

You keep these video @junior needle

[junior needle]

I did make them

[frank basin]

Recently?

[junior needle]

Fairly recently

[compact viper]

recon vet is still better than fucken lightning psycker, i hate people who somehow think them shocking everything is helping

[stone tapir]

shocking everything and doing crowd control

[compact viper]

wow

[frank basin]

I would use recon on psyker since soul siphon keystone.

[compact viper]

you shocked 6 enemies, whoopdiedo

[junior needle]

Much rather take smite psyker honestly, having everything cc'd helps me to wrangle my randos

[compact viper]

use your fucking sword

[stone tapir]

yea but that means i have to do... things

[junior needle]

Smite can cc way more than 6 targets

[stone tapir]

just a little zappy zap and call it good

[junior needle]

It's theoretically uncapped I think

[compact viper]

on paper it sounds good, in practice it isnt

[stone tapir]

i dont play psyker on a real note. im a vet/zeal main

[compact viper]

the team loses out on a quarter of its damage

and whatever stunning your doing can just be done with a staff

[junior needle]

I have more than enough damage

[compact viper]

like seriously, there is no point at all

[junior needle]

I don't have more than enough competent teammates who can not die in melee

[compact viper]

voidstrike staff stuns just as much if not more than smite

[junior needle]

Stuns things in a thin line vs a whole spread out mob

You can also take voidstrike AND smite :^)

[compact viper]

smite can be useful in a few circumstances and help you win and save really bad situations, but if you just spam it the entire game you need a lobotomy

[junior needle]

Yes, you don't need to spam it on small numbers of melee chaffe

[compact viper]

i hate smite psykers

[compact viper]

literally 99% of smite psykers do this though

[junior needle]

Think of it this way

Would you much rather a psyker that does no damage but also takes no ammo

But can cc massive crowds

Or the recon vet who takes all the ammo and also does no damage

[frank basin]

I smite one large number it make me believe damage buff on chaining enemies.

[compact viper]

if you smite a charging mutant thats about to throw your team mate off of a ledge than thats a great use, whats not great is sitting there spamming it into the hoard

[junior needle]

And cannot cc crowds

And refuses to melee

[compact viper]

at least the vet is dealing damage, idk

[junior needle]

Well, it does spread quite fast and does fairly good clear if you combine it with fire shriek

[compact viper]

if hes voice of command w/ gold toughness i would take a vet w/ recon before a smite psyker

[junior needle]

Sorry, only exe stance and the damage aura here

[frank basin]

That’s only you

[junior needle]

I've never taken the damage aura into a game in my life

[compact viper]

exe stance is only useful with plasma

[junior needle]

Plasma doesn't even take exe

[compact viper]

shoot through walls

[junior needle]

You get wallhacks but uh

[frank basin]

Only you charge up?

[junior needle]

Not worth it honestly

[frank basin]

To shoot through wall?

[compact viper]

never charge plasma

and you dont need to charge to shoot through walls

[compact viper]

unless against ogryns*

[compact viper]

its not, but its the only case i would argue it being useful

[frank basin]

People going favor melta gun over plasma

Society

[junior needle]

We live in a society that oppresses recon lasguns

Gamers rise up

[frank basin]

Do you hate recon?

[compact viper]

i dont care as long as you dont hoover up all of the ammo in an auric game

[junior needle]

Why would I hate a gun line I want to like? I hate obesefish for refusing to allow them to be good.

[compact viper]

lmao, obesefish

[junior needle]

Meanwhile ciag, revolver, plasma get to be busted for multiple months and patches

[compact viper]

rev kinda ass on vet though idk, well, not ass just not ciag/plasma good

[junior needle]

Rev is amazing, it's just redundant because plasma

[compact viper]

yeah

[frank basin]

I ran Graia brauto on auric last time.

[junior needle]

WS is basically tailor made for revolver

[compact viper]

i love rev

[frank basin]

It was successful

[compact viper]

i use it on zealot whenever im not using knives

[junior needle]

Graia brauto is alright

Nearly the same dps as agri

[frank basin]

My gun just do chaff killing

Sometime shooter and some elites

Ogryn not good

Depend distance

[compact viper]

tbh i have a problem and melee way more than i should

[junior needle]

Eh, not advisable to use your gun to clear melee chaffe if you can avoid it

[compact viper]

and hardy use my guns

unless plasma*

[junior needle]

But at least graia has a massive ammo pool

[frank basin]

Yes

[compact viper]

vermintide rotted my brain

[frank basin]

I’m a big shoota dakka I play like ogryn using achly on horde

My chainaxe take like 3-4 hit to kill chaff enemies

Headtaker with tier 2 slaughter (I’m broke)

[compact viper]

chainaxe sucks on vet

imo

[junior needle]

Chainaxe kinda is not good in general

[compact viper]

knife, devils claw, new shovel

[frank basin]

I think I have a Graia brauto for horde killing and a melee kill single target high health.

[compact viper]

power sword is meh, too little stam

[compact viper]

this needs to be switched around

[junior needle]

Wouldn't rely on using your gun or melee chaffe

Very bad habit

[compact viper]

use melee to clear hordes always

cleave exists for a reason

[frank basin]

Yeah some certain scenario I kill a mutant on rev attack

[compact viper]

chainsword can do the same thing

[frank basin]

Kill bulwark on rev

Rager rev again

I rely rev attack most time

[compact viper]

devils claw parry instakill rager

[frank basin]

Which I little suck parrying or mostly forgetting it

[compact viper]

devils claw is underated af, its insane

[frank basin]

I only had on one loadout

[compact viper]

mk4 has light into heavy for horde clear and it is insane

[frank basin]

Mk4

[compact viper]

and top heavy for single target

[frank basin]

I like first overhead attack

[junior needle]

You want to learn how to melee, it's an important skill

[compact viper]

^

mk4 devils claw is amazing, it forces you to learn how to use it and use its attacks

highly suggest using it

[frank basin]

I had antrax axe long ago and deleted after bm rework

I’m not gonna use all DClaw on 4 loadout

It make look boring

[compact viper]

mk7 new shovel

[frank basin]

One different melee per loadout I had

[compact viper]

mk3 combat blade is also rly rly good

[frank basin]

For that I someone said horde clearing is not great for knife

[compact viper]

movement tech

[compact viper]

they were wrong

[frank basin]

Uh oh

[compact viper]

dodge along the outside of horde

spam lights, reciprocity crit bleed stacks kills everything

[junior needle]

It's not good at killing bruisers due to being unable to cleave 2 and having no easy AND reliable cleave blessings

Executor drops on bodyshots and is very inconsistent

It has good enough horde clear

better against groaners/poxes

[compact viper]

you use it for more gun cenctric builds

since it has so much stam

and dodges

+movement tech

[junior needle]

Doesn't it not have that much stam?

[frank basin]

Yeah I keep dodge on Graia brauto on melee range fighting

That was on auric

[compact viper]

sry yeah you right, i just meant like, for running and stuff

[frank basin]

I get that habit

[compact viper]

since movement tech

yeah it sucks at blocking

it just has a lot of dodges and mobility

[frank basin]

I was hate the rashad outperform the chainaxe

After I invested chainaxe never heard rashad meta before that time

Until now

[candid vapor]

idk, chainaxe kinda slaps

I used one with rev and headtaker for my 90% accuracy penance and it kinda crushed the whole mission

[frank basin]

Ping him

[candid vapor]

who?

[frank basin]

Nvm forget about it

Topic is long gone

[candid vapor]

I would use slaught + headtaker, but the rev is so fun and actually useful

Chaxe has great blessings and that's enough to make it decent imo

Works well with switcher build to cover it's poor dodging

[frank basin]

Last topic they recommend me use knife

[candid vapor]

Yeah, but knives are lame

[frank basin]

Tell that to riff

Idk what I am saying

[candid vapor]

Why would I want a dinky little knife when I could have a cool ass chainaxe that rips through hordes and bosses alike

[frank basin]

Oh he also said devil claw best one

Reason: Parry he said

[candid vapor]

mk 4 dc is pretty great

[frank basin]

He said same thing like I had

Except he doesn’t want my chainaxe

He said like underperforming

Idk

Scroll up convo see it

[candid vapor]

I would say dc IS better than chaxe but suffers from piss poor lights and terrible carapace damage

[woven tide]

Chainaxes are pretty good overall

[candid vapor]

Sounds like a goober that hasn't touched a chaxe since they got hella buffed

[frank basin]

I think hes gonna say something mobility

[candid vapor]

Then take rev it up if that's really a problem

idk why he said it's bad at blocking

[frank basin]

The knife

Is bad at blocking

[candid vapor]

the push attack actually staggers rager unlike chainsword

ah

[frank basin]

We start from plasma topic

No wait

[candid vapor]

I am no fool. I won't say the chain axe is the best weapon. But it is by no means bad at all

[frank basin]

Is recon

[candid vapor]

Recon is dogshit tho

[frank basin]

Yeah i see

Some guy wanna try funny gun

Not riff

But then soldier 69 convince him not use recon

Topic go on with meta weapon like ciag

[candid vapor]

On vet, I'd say best weapons are mk7 shovel, mk4 dc, mk6 power sword, and both knives

ciag is busted, the game isn't fun with shit like that

[frank basin]

I told him knife aren’t good horde clearing because someone said it but then he tell they were wrong about it

[candid vapor]

Knife is not that bad at hordes tbh

it's not great, but it is servicable, especially with flesh tearer

[frank basin]

He just tell me mobility dodge left right back

Aye

[candid vapor]

To me, knife-user = loser meta slave. Why would you use a knife when you have so many other cool melee options?

[woven tide]

Knife is life

[frank basin]

I told them I run brauto Graia as chaff melee killing and chainaxe single target killing then riff told me “that need switch opposite”

[candid vapor]

It's the 41 millenium and you pick a stupid knife

I think graia brauto is pretty bad

agrip and colum are much better

[woven tide]

The best buff to shotguns would be making them shoot knives

[frank basin]

Soldier 69 said something same dps

Iirc

[candid vapor]

True, have you seen manstopper zealot knives?

[woven tide]

Yep lmao

[frank basin]

Graia just have massive ammo pool

[frank ether]

its pretty good now

[candid vapor]

Yeah, having a giant ammo pool doesn't matter if your damage is so bad you might as well throw the bullets

[frank basin]

I still using it just in term killing chaff melee enemies

Soldier69 suggest me use melee kill chaff melee enemies

[candid vapor]

I use agrip brauto, but I might swap to columnus. I don't like the slow fire rate

[frank basin]

Same riff said switch my loadout opposite

[candid vapor]

But agrip is pretty good regardless

[frank basin]

I have agripinna

Is just I use wrong way

[candid vapor]

Are you looking to change your build?

[frank basin]

No I’m struggle

People tell meta this and that

Make me there’s gatekeeping community

[candid vapor]

Well have they ever meta woman?

[woven tide]

[candid vapor]

Look, the most valid and unbreakable argument for any weapon in this game is "I like it."

[frank basin]

I still use Graia make look like m249

[candid vapor]

If you like graia brauto, more power to you

[frank basin]

I see

[candid vapor]

I'll still say it's shit, but that shouldn't matter to you. Make it as good as possible and enjoy

[frank basin]

Speed load fire frenzy

[candid vapor]

Why speed load?

It's not like the reload speed is that bad

[frank basin]

Some person said speedload is not that bad so I swap terrify barrage to ff and perk to flak I forgot what was it

[candid vapor]

I'd say swap speed load for stripped down

[woven tide]

The game is mostly skill at the end of the day tbh. If you like it, have at it. Just make sure your talent tree is all ready and you should be fine. If you like it and you do well enough it's all good

[candid vapor]

Invincible vet memes

[frank basin]

I had on my recon 6d

[candid vapor]

what chaxe do you use anyways?

[frank basin]

I test try run around with stripped down

Is a meme

[candid vapor]

But a very op meme

[woven tide]

A very useful meme

[frank basin]

Since I have antrax long ago I removed after bm rework

Then go chainaxe

[candid vapor]

no, what mark of chaxe

[frank basin]

I invested until I heard rashad meta

The new one

[candid vapor]

ah

[frank basin]

I like that light cc

And overhead Heavy

[candid vapor]

rashad is meta, but I don't like combat or tac axes

[frank basin]

I like chainaxe since I believe the rev kill single target like special or elite close melee

Which i rely rev a lot

[candid vapor]

Keep in mind that most melee weapons oneshot every special except muties

[frank basin]

Mutie take like two rev

And some swing

[candid vapor]

What? Mine only uses one rev

[frank basin]

Oh

[candid vapor]

Are you using a heavy

[frank basin]

No I swing light

It was on rev

[candid vapor]

You should swing heavy rev on muties

1 shot body shot for them

[woven tide]

I'm pretty sure it should still one shot so long as you hit the head

[frank basin]

Yeah I have no skill timing mutie on movement

To land a heavy attack on it

Except when he crashed I do

[candid vapor]

yeah, you oneshot on weakspot, but the heavy always one shots

[frank basin]

What about push attack?

It poke

Does it deal lot damage?

[candid vapor]

It deals decent damage unrev'd

Rev does about the same damage as a light

[frank basin]

The chainaxe heavy attack is slow for me

[candid vapor]

Push attack staggers ragers and oneshots shotties

[frank basin]

I think I done heavy attack on elite and muttie

I don’t remember

I haven’t play for while

[candid vapor]

That's why you only really use it on hvt

[frank basin]

Hvt?

[candid vapor]

High Value Targets

[frank basin]

Yeah

I sometime spam light attack on weak elite

Panics on hvt

Or just want them stagger killing them steadily because I wasn’t thinking much or aware surrounding.

Big hvt is rev for me

Bulwark as example

I do same light rev attack*

[woven tide]

It's something you have to get used to. Have to recognize what to prioritize and in what scenario.

For bulwarks I honestly would melee unless absolutely necessary. I would bait the melee and aim for the head. Stuns them and allows to finish them off. Good for dealing with either multiple bulwarks or a bulwark and some other stuff.

[frank basin]

Bulwark or mauler depend whenever I melee or shoot my Graia brauto

Is 50/50

[fresh jungle]

finally got my god roll plasmagun yay

[wanton dawn]

Took me a while but i finally understand the formula for effective crit calculation when there is crit string

TBF nobody ever bother explaining their stuff

In anycase, formula for effective crit is =crit_string_length/(crit_string_length-1+1/Crit%). Basically the limit of a convergent sequence.

It is 60.8% on columnus with deadshot. Less in practice cuz you don't shoot all at once

[white minnow]

what a great mechanic

[wanton dawn]

Math... Not even once !

[white minnow]

and then when fatshark removes crit strings (one day), all of this will have been for nothing

[spring cliff]

It is perfect

[rare bough]

Trying out a new build on my Veteran

[spring cliff]

What build?

[woven tide]

Ah yes, the zealot build for veteran

[rare bough]

Secret hidden veteran skill tree

You can only unlock it by leveling another class to level 30, then it becomes accessible

[junior needle]

Well, except for the volatile

[spring cliff]

Welp yeah, Shattering Impact or Blaze Away can be better

[slate hawk]

After all this time I finally got power cycler teir 4, just to use it and go
"nah this isn't it chief"
And then go back to my mk 3 shovel

Weid feeling

[gusty bison]

U dont want shattering impact on a plasma

Its completely irrelevant

[agile forge]

Helps your team to support you... like you need it with a plasma lol

[orchid atlas]

yo guy should i use that? im lvl 24

[stone folio]

untill youre level 30 its not worth it to invest into gear

just buy some basic stuff with the highest rating untill you reach 30

[tough tiger]

Just columnus your way to lvl30

Then u can start messing around

[orchid atlas]

Ok thx

[spring cliff]

Sometimes in normal shop can be really good items

[agile forge]

Never buy from this screen.

Melk money is a key resource and this is a terrible use of it

[gusty bison]

I mean

Support what

The corpse? XD

Plasma deletes most things in 1 shot

And crushers in 3

By the time ur teammate turns to aim at the crusher its already dead

[agile forge]

Yeah that's what I mea

Mean

There's a hypothetical but nothing really in practice

I was agreeing with you but adding justification as to why the supposed upside is not really present

[umbral scaffold]

not unless you got certain heat levels for crt and are running the spotter perk then its two

[muted knot]

Even after level 30 it's not worth it generally

[orchid atlas]

oh so what does i do with these token?

[agile forge]

Limited Time Acquisitions is the one

use it to buy either very good weapons, or weapons with blessings that you need

Mystery Acquisitions is poorly implemented and just plain bad

best to wait until the day after you hit 30 if you want something to actually equip

but if you see something nuts like a power cycler IV just sitting there in the store, snap that bitch up asap

[sonic marlin]

2nd day in a row i got a top tier tac axe, i will regret it when they get buffed

seems nice, whats the setup for this?

i really need to bind invisibility to numpad key

[orchid atlas]

Ok thx

[sonic marlin]

wait which bayonet lasgun is best

[untold mulch]

I or II

III is just painful

[sonic marlin]

i wish more weapons had bayonets

[sonic marlin]

testing them rn, fuck this is so slow lol

[untold mulch]

Same

[untold mulch]

Yeahhh, and if you try to spam it

is just even worse, the swings don't "combo"

you gotta wait an arbitatry time before being allowed another swing, and that makes it feel terrible

[sonic marlin]

this is the worse revolver right?

[elder fiber]

much worse but its fun with deadshot

[sonic marlin]

i wish veteran didn't have the most boring grenades

[sonic marlin]

i'm bothered of the shitty reload of the better revolver

[toxic leaf]

they're boring but good and they regen, cant have regenning ogryn frags after all lol

[elder fiber]

weapon master keystone mostly deals with that issue but with the right build mk14 is "fine" and tbh pretty fun

[umbral granite]

Boring? yes.
Effective? Very.

[umbral granite]

One of Ogryn's best "grenades" is the rock, mainly because it regenerates and you get 4 of them.

[sonic marlin]

i wish the nuke regenerated

[gusty bison]

Yea vets have the best nades

[sonic marlin]

not sure if i should switch from shredder to krak

[gusty bison]

Shredders are more versatile

Esp if u throw them in twos

[toxic leaf]

depends on your loadout

[umbral granite]

It depends.
Are mixed hordes and swarms of bruisers/ragers your main problem? go with shredder.

Are Ogryn conga-lines and monstrosities your main problem? go with krak.

[sonic marlin]

do all of you play auric damnation?

[viscid vessel]

Machine God just blessed the fuck out of me!

[sonic marlin]

nice

[bitter turtle]

Tbh

Even against crusher/bulwark packs

I still prefer shredders

Knocks them all down and kills any dangerous trash hiding behind them

Krak often only ends up killing one or two and that's it

[umbral garnet]

Unless you get lucky, and a bunch of bulwarks get sandwiched in a hallway and you fill the entire killfeed with "Killed Bulwark"

[bitter turtle]

Ya

It's great when that happens

[umbral garnet]

You feel unstoppable

[bitter turtle]

Unfortunately they really have to be forced together by the terrain to get it

[umbral garnet]

Yeah.

I once killed an entire patrol of maulers and crushers with one

Felt better than sex

[bitter turtle]

You can't even reliably toss it to the middle of the group

Since the magnetism will just latch itself onto a random one basically

So it's just up to the terrain being in your favor

[trim steppe]

I've also had kraks massively underperform occasionally. A few nights ago I was trying to clutch and three bulwarks blocked a narrow hall with a daemonhost blocking the other route. I threw a krak at the bulwarks and it just fizzled out. The bulwarks proceeded to infinite block each other in the small space and I got trapped and smooshed by the horde

Bulwark shield hitboxes are probably the sloppiest combat element in this game. The fact that one can be climbing and you can shoot his exposed forehead only to get the blue plink plink plink is a travesty

[toxic leaf]

kraks will also cost you an extra skill point if you are taking ammo aura

shredders are just good all the time, kraks can be really solid if you're caught with your pants down against a mauler or crusher horde

[trim steppe]

Yeah shredders are just better more of the time. You also get more of them.

[viscid vessel]

I'm also in the Shredder camp. More of them, still do decent damage, and buys you time to respond to all the heavy bullshit enemies and kill some of them.

[trim steppe]

I only tend to take krak if both my weapons are weak on carapace.

[viscid vessel]

Or clutch rescue when people go down.

And I never don't take the Hellbore 3.

[trim steppe]

Yeah. Krak explosion is too small for general usefulness. But it does what it does super well, usually

[spring spindle]

Me after running out of Bolter ammo and looking at the horde like

[frank ether]

its the regen not the grenades

[toxic leaf]

yea zealot inferno nade or ogryn frag is much better but shredder is good and you can spam them regardless of comp and director attitude towards grenade boxes

[midnight totem]

there are few situations that can't be solved with liberal application of grenades

and vets can liberally use grenades

[pastel geode]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-grenades-peter-familyguy-family-gif-9926709

Someone needs to try a grenade only run for memes

[hollow ibex]

lol imagine if vets had regenerating immolation nades

[bitter turtle]

i think frag is better than inferno tbh

spamming infernos doesn't do much in the first place and the stagger is weak

i think the only time i prefer inferno is hunting ground packs of doges

[hollow ibex]

not really

does frag give your teammates a moment panic thinking a bomber nade just exploded?

no

so immo nades better

[golden nacelle]

is skullcrusher one of the good shovel blessings?

[agile forge]

Firebombs are great for fighting inside at least

[golden nacelle]

Hey... best perks for plasma gun? Already got maniac, what should 2nd perk be

and im thinking ill drop shattering for gets hot

[sonic marlin]

this or blaze away instead of gloryhunter

[golden nacelle]

yeah. would like glory hunter too

but I can't have it all on this one

you dont like maniac on it eh?

[sonic marlin]

i recommend you get a mod that lets you edit weapon stats in the simulation so you can test your breakpoints

[sonic marlin]

i don't need it

[golden nacelle]

word

[sonic marlin]

basically go kill every enemy type and if one of them needs like 3 shots to die but is as like 1% hp from second shot then get that for perk for ur weapon

i think most breakpoint issues are with gunner oneshots

[pale spear]

Should i replace dumb dumb for deathspitter on this gun?

[sonic marlin]

no, dumdum is mandatory

its dumdum with fire frenzy/deathspitter for dmg iirc

[agile forge]

Apart from stability that looks perfect to me

you could probably just upgrade the maniacs thing

to 25

and be done with it

maybe unarmoured, idk

only bad thing is that it's not a columnus lol

[pale spear]

the stability is hardly noticable. at extreme long range you can just tap fire

[agile forge]

but agri's more than good enough too I think

[agile forge]

I like being able to spray an inf auto at a boss's weakspot

and use that strong weakspot modifier

[pale spear]

i also have a ''beter'' columnus and like this one better once i got used to it

[agile forge]

well good on you

Agri's great too from what I remember

[pale spear]

this is totally able to do that.

[agile forge]

and columnus is probably getting nerfed

[bitter turtle]

it still baffles me

why they didnt just make it blue fire

[agile forge]

since it has the wrong damage stat I think

[bitter turtle]

holy fire

idk

literally writes itself

[agile forge]

the main way I tell the difference is that friendly fires light the room up, while hostile fires darken it somehow

doesn't help much when there's a friendly one and a hostile one near each other

[bitter turtle]

wait wtf its not animated

[hollow ibex]

yeah i guess they wanted to distinguish between that and warp fire

[hollow ibex]

still stupid though

[bitter turtle]

there we go

then make warp fire purple

you know

spooky purple

for warp

[hollow ibex]

yeah either way, friendly fire really should be a very different color from enemy fire

[sonic marlin]

thats why mods exist

[hollow ibex]

shouldn't need mods to fix something like this...

[sonic marlin]

yeah but the game is lacking ton of stuff and updates seem to come slowly

be glad u can fix it this way

[polar kayak]

when patch?

[serene bough]

Never

No more content

[umbral granite]

I vaguely remember someone saying that the second hive city was genestealers... if that is true, maybe the next big expansion will be that? or perhaps a "Chaos wastes" (from vermintide) style mission type at the other hive city.

[wanton dawn]

man, ppl saying that MF is better than deadshot+FT columnus damage wise have 0 clue what they are talking about

[sonic marlin]

mf? ft?

[bitter turtle]

marksman focus

focus target

[sonic marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[bitter turtle]

crushers alone probably make deadshot+ft better

dunno how MF builds kill crushers besides swapping to melee

[wanton dawn]

Well, it is not only that'

[bitter turtle]

no i know

but i meant even accounting solely on that point

[wanton dawn]

MF requires weakspot hit and columnus is really, really not good for consistent headshot

[toxic leaf]

columnus with onslaught also shreds crushers and maulers anyhow

[wanton dawn]

Meanwhile, deadshot columnus has frontloaded crit

and better aim

[icy rampart]

is it better to go infiltrate, shout or volley fire+ on veteran

I see a lot of shout builds

[agile forge]

Deadshot MF for the maximum memes of course

[sonic marlin]

shout only

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meoooow-meow-trp-trp10-gif-18218658

[agile forge]

If I use Columnus I tend to use krak anyway

Definitely not the most effective way but it feels nice

That said if you want the true CIAG death laser you go DD/SG psyker with it

For when you think it's time to kill everybody :)

[toxic leaf]

shout is almost always better, although executioner's stance is fun

[sonic marlin]

50%

[icy rampart]

what's the veteran's actual role nowadays in the endgame?

[sonic marlin]

carry

[icy rampart]

is 61% damage a good bolter roll

[sonic marlin]

bolter is not a good gun

[tiny summit]

Use what you like. VoC is the easy choice. I mostly run MF

[umbral granite]

I asked my friend (Who exclusively runs a full kriegsman loadout when they play vet) to send me their build... and this is the build they sent me.

They have a Much higher auric win rate then me... but some of these decisions they've made confuse me...

[icy rampart]

thumbsupemoji

[tiny summit]

He likes grenades. No issue. Though deadshot is stupid on helbore

[sonic marlin]

that whole build feels cursed

yeah my man liks his grenades for sure

[tiny summit]

I would not go suppression either

[sonic marlin]

?

[umbral granite]

One of the build choices that confuses me, yes.

[sonic marlin]

people usually got 2x toughness 1x stam or 2x toughness 1x hp, but if it works for you the nsure ig

[tiny summit]

About the only real changes I would suggest to him is dropping deadshot for Iron Will and dropping suppression for For The Emperor or Born Leader

[sonic marlin]

how long has he been playing for

this feels like a build you make right after you get lvl 30 and have no experience tbh

[umbral granite]

He introduced me to the game, so longer than me

and i've been playing since shortly after the skill-tree was added

[tiny summit]

Tell him deadshot and suppression are dumb for helbore

[sonic marlin]

well if it works for him then ig its his game

yeah, weird choices

[terse idol]

Compared to what

[atomic zephyr]

is this worth the melkbucks for HH4? just in case recon gets buff

[tiny summit]

If you got melk bucks to burn to get the blessing. That's the only reason Id buy it

Melk is glorified lvl 4 blessing merchant

[atomic zephyr]

headhunter 4 obtained
maybe when we get close to the heat death of the universe the recon will be good

[tiny summit]

Also nice Allmind pfp

[atomic zephyr]

thanks :)

[empty forge]

sup folks, im new here and just came back to the game like 1-2 weeks ago... is it possible to kills twins on damnation with a pub team? if so, what would you recommend for my build?

[agile forge]

I've only done it on Ogryn because Ogryn has an outsized impact in that fight

and is hard to knock down

but my team had a veteran on it

[bitter turtle]

yes

if you dont mean the secret hard mode

[agile forge]

Same as anyone's role really. You kill priority targets, remove hordes when under pressure, and keep your team stable

it depends on how you build, how you accomplish this

but nobody should really see anything as not their job

If you have a CIAG or a lasgun or something you're gonna be clearing up shooters a lot

[icy rampart]

I really enjoy being able to tell carapace armored targets to sod off with the bolter, how do I build around its weaknesses

[empty forge]

whats the diff on that btw? i've been in 3-4 matches where we hit the bells but i dodnt know why xD

[agile forge]

if you have Plasma you're prioritising priority targets mostly

[hollow ibex]

i'd say it's especially important for vet to deal with ranged enemies too

[bitter turtle]

becomes much harder

[hollow ibex]

and specialists

[bitter turtle]

more enemies, cannot be res'd once you die

[agile forge]

Bolter's not ideal for that

[agile forge]

Probably take frag grenades or maybe smokes idk how they work

no point in taking krak

[hollow ibex]

eh i think it's fine

the ammo economy is totally fine for dealing with normal shooters

as long as you're not spraying

[agile forge]

Oh, it can work, but the reload is an issue. Maybe it helps to run right keystone.

[hollow ibex]

and you can deal with the big bois too

if you run the 30% or 20% reload nodes, reload is ok

[agile forge]

I feel like plasma can do most of what bolter can do and then more

reload is even longer but you have a good magsize at least

[hollow ibex]

well yeah plasma is insanely overtuned rn

[agile forge]

Good point

[bitter turtle]

tee hee v7

https://i.gyazo.com/facbe3ebb6a29b2e3c866dd7605b4713.png

[agile forge]

difficult to compare anything favourably with plasma

[bitter turtle]

217 gunners killed

[hollow ibex]

really wanted to the like vraks vii... but i can't get used to the zoom

[toxic leaf]

me too

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/30119b2aa0888065c0ac3183d577b550.jpg

i added more zoom

:^)

[terse idol]

Better scope too

The one thing holding me back with the vraks7 is the irons isn't illuminated

So darker maps just make it so I can't seee

[obsidian umbra]

keep flak or change to carapace?

[agile forge]

I would guess flak

Does carapace improve your crusher breakpoint?

and does losing flak ruin any other breakpoint?

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

change to elite

maniac+10% elite

[agile forge]

actually that makes a lot of sense too

I guess you're oneshotting specialists already

they tend to be squishier

[obsidian umbra]

is that an improvement only with specific builds? Or just in general bis combo cause ive never been told to use elites

[agile forge]

elite might get you better breakpoints on ragers and othergryns

[bitter turtle]

if by specific build you mean the build where you grab elite damage, yes

i would guess that is a fairly standard revolver build though

there's not many other things worth grabbing

rending is bad

since you already get a shitton from handcannon

[toxic leaf]

oh interesting, elite damage actually worth a damn on a gun

[bitter turtle]

to clarify though

you need handcannon 4 AND elite 10%

so you're gonna need to upgrade that handcannon 3 to 4 eventually

for the 1shot flak rager i mean

[toxic leaf]

well thats a given

[bitter turtle]

ive tested it

you're like 20 dmg short if you only have one

if you havve pen 80 i think you can make do without the rending IV

but you have pen 76 (like me)

also if you're willing to drop 2 pts to get to ogryn dmg you can just go flak too iirc

not that i'd suggest that

over more nades

and shit

[tall torrent]

Elite dmg is almost never rly a bad choice, just some guns need more than elite to get breakpoints

If u can get the same breakpoints with elite, then elite is better

[bitter turtle]

its just more flexible

and less demanding gear-wise

[tall torrent]

It covers both ragers, both shotgunners, both gunners, maulers, and the 3 ogryn enemies

If you build for these enemies separately you’ll be looking at dmg vs different armor types

Revolver can get 2 crit HS on crusher & mauler with carapace, and 1 crit bodyshot rager with flak

But elite gives u both of these breakpoints while only taking 1 slot

[bitter turtle]

ya*