veteran-class

[zealous wyvern]

heavies yes

heavies dont get stuck in

[low yacht]

It does but it matters on what you like

[dawn garnet]

but heavies are for zealots only right?

[low yacht]

No

Veteran has the Axe too just no eviscerator

[dawn garnet]

ye i kinda wanted an evisc but i guess that would be too good

[low yacht]

Assault Chainaxe

[lilac eagle]

So theres this 40k table top RPG I'm going to be playing in soon

The build I've come up with can kill a SM in 2 hits

They're a regular ass human using a sword lmao

[warm girder]

unmodified with 2 tier 4 perks, Im no vet main so are they any good

[lilac eagle]

Personally I'd say thats pretty good.

You could swap weak spot damage for crit chance. Bolter has some high crit damage anyway so just going all in on the crit build would make a scary strong build

[bitter turtle]

man

i do not understand laspistol 😔

[placid portal]

funny crit hood weapon

Mk 10 having some mad dmg vs Flak

[bitter turtle]

just feels like it fires too slow for the bps it has

[placid portal]

Tru

[bitter turtle]

Yeah I just dont get it lul

oh well

[placid portal]

You are mobile?

🤔

[bitter turtle]

i guess hte difference is

when im mobile with a melee

its easy to hit shit while staying mobile

dashign and sliding around with a gun that demands headshots

idk

maybe is just skill issue

[placid portal]

at that point I use autogun

[bitter turtle]

and like i dont even oneshot bp if i dont crit on half the things

rather just use v3 and run around hipfiring

oh yeah

that's another thing

the hipfire is so inaccurate

[placid portal]

Forgot how much crit does laspistol get

[bitter turtle]

i think it gets 20% or so

which is like great

but idk

[placid portal]

You reach 700 damage per shot on crit headshots, but not sure if worth

Maybe for Marksmen stacks

[bitter turtle]

i tried marksman on it

but that links back to the other problem

if im staying mobile then ehadshotting is a pain

hipfire is inaccurate so adsing slows me down

and if im standing in back plinkingi things

then the rof makes that inferior compared to v7

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-gif-13612391308574250563

[thick wolf]

you mean like these on my 501 gold rated bolter?

no wait, the second one is weakspot damage, oops

I can't read

[bitter turtle]

weakspot/crit damage is very weako

crit chance is probably very good on bolter either

surgical already exists so

[thick wolf]

not sure if pinning fire works well on it

[placid portal]

Rather well

Every shot will stagger a foe within 4ms

So you build up pinning fire relatively fast

[thick wolf]

o

[bitter turtle]

pinning/surigcal is the typical loadout for bolter

[thick wolf]

personally I want to roll for a higher stat bolter but I'm not risking losing my mind over Hadron potentially bricking it

[placid portal]

Old pinning fire used to give 20% per stack but realised boltgun kinda gets free 100% dmg bump

[bitter turtle]

shredder pistol never recovered 😔

[thick wolf]

Hadron already bricked my Deimos for Psyker

[placid portal]

At this rate we should reclass Hardon to Mason

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[thick wolf]

there's also that Hadron loves giving out level 3 perks and blessings

[dusty sluice]

just got this as a eg

shame its on my zealot

[thick wolf]

mobility at 57%

but dam man give me that headhunter

[forest blaze]

I honestly wish I could use my massive pile of diamantine to reconfigure stats or upgrade a blessing. I get that it lessens the grind and artificial play hours of Darktide but also holy fuck is the rng brutal

[zealous wyvern]

im convinced now that mobility is more important than damage stat unless its like

a HIGH dmg low firerate weapon

[runic hound]

how does blaze away work on a gun that is not automatic like the plasma?

how do you "keep firing" if it semi auto?

[untold mulch]

I think you shoot before the recoil "resets"

[zealous wyvern]

thats for all guns btw

a "volley" ends when you let the gun rest

[untold mulch]

like there is a "period of time" between semiauto shots were the game still takes it as the same volley/salvo

[zealous wyvern]

as long as you fire as fast as possible its one

salvo right

[finite imp]

Your guns position when you fire

When you see it click back into its resting position

The volley is over

The next time you pulled the trigger

A new one begins

So ye

[dusky raven]

woah

oh..

thanks alot hadron

[umbral garnet]

Condolences, fallen soldier.

[dusky raven]

😭

[umbral garnet]

May you one day join the Fellowship of Shovels

[tall torrent]

A salvo is any amount of shots continuously fired until the gun’s recoil resets to the initial position

[twin kettle]

This weapon is pure garbage?

[dusky raven]

i got this ancient fucker

is it still viable?

[umbral garnet]

For crowd control I'm sure.

It seems like a very serviceable weapon.

A good one to have.

But the sappers are just

The new ones

That strikedown.

[dusky raven]

havent gotten to try yet

cant wait to get a good roll

[umbral garnet]

One shotting crushers

🙏

[agile forge]

Basically a Thunder hammer

[pulsar radish]

Which of the shovel mks is the best though.

Been enjoying the mk3 even with its below average blessings.

[hearty panther]

its w/e you like

im partial to the VII or VIII or w/e because it's the most flexible moveset

Two quick vanguard lights is a nice crowd opener for easy Uncanny and Skullcrusher stacks. Heavies are a crowd control cycle as well for thicker groups of enemies. And push attack combos into two strikedowns which is great to pick out elites and bruisers in a pack.

It just does it all.

[thick wolf]

the spike shovels just have no right to be that versatile

ntm its funny spike attack

if I would describe the jack of all trades, master of none melee weapon, it would be the spike shovels

[wary galleon]

IF I AINT SHOVELING SHIT; IM SHOVELING BRAINS
IM STARTING TO FINK DA COMMISSAR TRAINED ME NO TO SHOOT BUT TO LOVE TEH SHOVEL

[umbral garnet]

AYE LAD NOW YER SPEAKING TRUE

[thick wolf]

hate heretics, hate chaos

deliver judgment with shovel

love the emperor

[wary galleon]

OY AM A GUARD AND IM DIGGIN IN A HOOLE

DIGGY DIIIIGYY HOOOOLE

IM DIIGIN IN A HOOOLE

[umbral garnet]

'Ho needs Kraks when you got ya trosty shovel

[thick wolf]

psyker with shovel pls

[umbral garnet]

That'd be entertaining.

[wary galleon]

DA ONLY CRAK I MAKE SAH IS THE SKULL CRACKING OPEN WITH ME PICKAX.. I MEAN SHOVEL

[umbral garnet]

THAT'S THE FRAGGIN SPIRIT, BIG MAN

[thick wolf]

I mean prologue psykers get to use the shovel

[wary galleon]

BTW which one is better?
im torn between the high modifiers, but i like the thrust blessing alot

[umbral garnet]

Depends on what you're going for

[thick wolf]

the right one seems more geared towards hordes

[wary galleon]

using it mostly for single target damage

[wary galleon]

ah yea you are right that is good for hordes, or second+ hits on ogryns

[umbral garnet]

If you want devastating power attacks, I suggest you grab the Skullcrusher off of the second one and change the hammerblow with it

[thick wolf]

the mobility on the second one is good tho

depending if mobility is important on a shovel

[umbral garnet]

I have 60~ mobility on my shovel, it's not at all a large issue.

[wary galleon]

hmm

neglible difference

cept dodge distance

i wont be going full sly marbo with it though so im not so concerned

[umbral garnet]

For me dodge distance doesn't really matter because the shovel is already such a stagger focused weapon

[thick wolf]

damage is also pretty good on the second one

[wary galleon]

thats sounds like a good way todo it

⛏️

[umbral garnet]

Alongside its defence stat which basically entirely focuses on the effectiveness of pushing and blocking.

[hearty panther]

Defence also has an unstated block efficiency bonus.

[wary galleon]

yea its only like 0.2 difference in sprint cost
and 0,5 in push cost

[hearty panther]

The difference between 0 and 80 is pretty substantial.

[wary galleon]

need to get that mod that shows all stats 😤

[hearty panther]

I only know it cause others figured it out lol

Stamina is hella important in my eyes so I value that bar quite highly.

[wary galleon]

oooh what about rendering? would it affect the first hit?

would be good for bosses

[umbral garnet]

Thrust already makes a fully charged power attack absolutely bonkers so I suggest you keep skullcrusher for hordes.

And if you keep skullcrusher, you can change the unarmoured+ to something else

That's what I'd do, anyway.

My shovel, for reference.

[wary galleon]

ah yea thats a good point, i feel like the shovel has alot of base bonus on staggering no? i definitly stagger enemies alot more then i feel like with other weapons.
i would like to add though. do we need the 20% on maniacs though? the heavy special insta kills mutants and 99% hp of ragers

[umbral garnet]

I don't think so, I'd say carapace is the better choice.

But yes, the shovel definitely staggers more consistently.

It's the Vet's answer to an Ogryn club.

[wary galleon]

aah great

its done

[umbral garnet]

Now get out there and shovel some brains

[wary galleon]

oh man i was using it on my ranged vet

trying it on my melee vet shall cleanse THE HIVE CITY IN MATTER OF DAYSS

thanks for the help btw

always love how helpful this discord is!

[covert beacon]

Grabbed myself some new weapons, wondering which of these pairs are better

[wary galleon]

hmm if you are using plasma as im assuming, i would say higher thermal resistance is better (if ur doing spam lmb, not charged hits)
have never played with laspistols so cant comment much on that

[viscid sparrow]

btw, what are the best blessing combos on mk3 shovel if I wanna have at least some horde clear while also having high single target?

[wary galleon]

properly mine then :p
its got great singletarget
and decent horde clear with its stagger
#veteran-class message

[viscid sparrow]

so I just need to get Thrust in order to get somewhere decent with my shovel. good to know.

[wary galleon]

thrust or uncanny strike, for single target. the special is really bonkers with that and 25% carapace damage

and for horde clear you can also use
Thunderstrike
Hammerblow

those are good

[umbral garnet]

Thrust is insane

[wary galleon]

ye

[viscid sparrow]

also, which would be better on an Columnus IAG build: Suppression Immunity from Determined or 30% extra Weakspot Damage from Presicion Strikes (I only can pick one of the two due to my other skill points being spent on other stuff)?

[umbral garnet]

Weakspot damage

A shame you can't get both.

[rancid shale]

Poggles, any suggestions for blessings/perks?

[neon estuary]

i use a recon lasgun as a veteran, whats the best blessing to use for the recon lasgun?

[untold mulch]

First of all, the best is not to use it because holy kark, its stats are terrible

Now, with that out of the way, blessing wise, headhunter? the one that gives you crit for headshots

[rancid shale]

Infernus and headhunter

[viscid sparrow]

I actually can get both, if I just swap out kraks for frags...

[neon estuary]

alrigjht then, thanks

[untold mulch]

Idk if infernus is the best but also

Recon needs every bit of damage

I personally would use dumdum

Means around +25% of damage pretty much constantly

[tall torrent]

Usually precision strikes because IAGs are high finesse weapons

In some rare cases (getting suppressed by gunner waves at very long distances) suppression immunity would outperform precision strikes

[umbral garnet]

It is?

Then my own recon isn't half bad

[rancid shale]

Fire damage is probably the best supplement to the Recon lasgun's damage, plus, on vet crits won't consume ammo with the right build

onslaught is also super important.

[tall torrent]

Shock trooper only works for first shot in a crit chain

[rancid shale]

Didn't know that

[rancid shale]

I guess that means its better than I thought for Infantry Lasguns since they don't crit chain. Meaning you can have one crit occur immediately after the previous one and not consume ammo for either.

[radiant chasm]

dum dum

[tall torrent]

Recon lasgun best option is headhunter + dum dum/infernus

Headhunter is must have

Infernus & dum dum don’t vary that much

[radiant chasm]

best damage blessing, and imo for second blessing headhunter or deathspitter

[tall torrent]

The dps is so bad that dum dum doesn’t amplify it by much

U can use either

[rancid shale]

After some testing, I can 2-shot reapers with this thing

I'm thinking either Surgical+shattering or pinning fire+shattering

[tall torrent]

I would change both blessings

Surgical + pinning fire

[radiant chasm]

headhunter gives you semi reliable shock trooper procs, and dum dum is just more consistent

[tall torrent]

But if u wanted to harvest gloryhunter IV, I’d just add surgical

[umbral garnet]

So, what I'm hearing is that this thing isn't half bad

[tall torrent]

It’s playable but not great

[untold mulch]

Isn't half bad, for Recon

[umbral garnet]

True.

Recon is

[untold mulch]

A meme?

A joke?

[rancid shale]

I'd be very pleased with it.

[untold mulch]

A disgrace of all sins of the design team?

[umbral garnet]

The poor things are just utterly blown out of the water with a nuke by the IAs

[rancid shale]

Your recon lasgun is a great example, but the Recon lasguns in general aren't the best rn

[umbral garnet]

Especially Columnus 5

[rancid shale]

not shattering impact?

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

But it’s mostly just relevant for crushers

[rancid shale]

okay, I guess since I have both blessings I can just change it if I change my mind

[tall torrent]

You don’t rly gain anything from it besides killing crushers

[rancid shale]

I'm just gonna run 10% rending as an alternative

[tall torrent]

Rending isn’t needed either

[rancid shale]

good to hear

[neon estuary]

i just stick with a high damage recon lasgun

[radiant chasm]

"high damage" "recon las"

pick one

[umbral garnet]

Ever heard of an oxymoron

[neon estuary]

accatran mk viia has the highest damage for a recon lasgun

oxymoron?

[terse idol]

High damage for a recon yess

[radiant chasm]

oxymoron, isn't that a cleaner?

[umbral garnet]

An oxymoron are when two opposing words are put next to each other. Like Old News.

Or Happy Marriage.

Take that how you will.

[terse idol]

[neon estuary]

?

[umbral garnet]

I'm saying

High damage and Recon Lasgun are two opposing things.

[neon estuary]

so you're saying is a bad weapon of choice?

[umbral garnet]

Well, no, I'd say that if I were a meta man, which I am not.

[soft blade]

recon weapons are bad yes

[umbral garnet]

It's just fun to rag on Recon's because they are bad

[neon estuary]

eh, i'm a fully automatic type of guy

[soft blade]

if you like them use them but they do kinda suck

[umbral garnet]

IAs

Or even Braced

Autoguns, baby.

The same rapid fire feel with better results.

😎

[neon estuary]

braced seems good but problem is not able to aim down the sight so i stick with columus mk v, its useful for infantry and infested meat grinding as a veteran weapon of choice

[umbral garnet]

Ah, Columnus 5.

Tried and true.

[radiant chasm]

fastest infantry lasgun, if you are on pc get the full auto mod

it's just a better recon las

[neon estuary]

i dont do mods

[jovial elm]

One can hope the best mods will be added to the official game gradually :p

[crude ermine]

That's some hard hopium Mon Amie

[radiant chasm]

massive hopium

[jovial elm]

Blind Faith to the emperor

[hollow ibex]

your loss tbh

[radiant chasm]

even if you dont do mods

the best infantry las rn is the fastest one

and it outpaces recon lasguns

[icy orchid]

GDI, I spend AGES looking for power cycle and now I'm getting heaps of them

but now it's all PC3 and not 4

[crude ermine]

Monkey paw

[crude fiber]

That would involve fat shark acknowledging the community

[radiant chasm]

game isn't even finished

[untold mulch]

[untold mulch]

Laspistol does better the Recon job

[crude ermine]

A toenail would do better job than recon

[icy orchid]

I just want diamantine to plas conversion

[crude fiber]

Outpaces recons is a blanket statement

[radiant chasm]

rather them just give us a meaningful way to use diamantine

instead of just giving a bandaid solution asap

[crude fiber]

Your greed is ruining this community

[soft blade]

better than recon is the biggest non statement when it comes to this games guns

[crude fiber]

As there a ranged weapon that is worse then recons?

[icy orchid]

what meaningful way? using diamantine to make better base weapons or something is way too radiccal

recon is pretty decent?

all the shotguns are pretty mid

[crude fiber]

Agri shotty is great imo, havent messed with the others yet

[untold mulch]

It could not exist

and the game would be better because clueless players wouldn't be using it

[soft blade]

recons are by far the worst category of weapons the only one that’s really even a point of comparison is the 6d

[crude ermine]

I wouldn't say they're mid, kantreal is great for the piercing it has with the fire pellets, agri is great, idk about the other one

Haven't tried it yet

[crude fiber]

Lawbringer shotty for meme bleed hoard clear in which you should just use kantreal

[hollow ibex]

tried rolling for a bleed lawbringer

too much of a pain

since i'd need to slot in both flechette and scattershot specifically

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585807823573745665.webp?size=48&name=reeee_pdx&quality=lossless

[crude ermine]

I remember getting fléchette first ever blessing for my shotgun because I for some reason decided to roll a shotgun at low lvl

Idek if I grabbed it out of it or not

[novel stone]

Best blessings to have on the agri brauto?

Want second opinions

[untold mulch]

Ehh, to my knowledge, doesn't need much,

The ones for more damage per hit/kill are good, but you can also run the others

[tall torrent]

Deathspitter, fire frenzy, stripped down

[untold mulch]

Shame stripped down was nerfed

[novel stone]

Melk has a fire frenzy and TB, that work good ?

[untold mulch]

what perks?

[tall torrent]

Terrifying barrage is bad

[novel stone]

TB is meh

Yeah

[novel stone]

Not good, sprint etf and 8% eltie

[untold mulch]

I have it on mine

Only good roll I got with stats before I gave up

[untold mulch]

Hmm

[tall torrent]

I just need a godroll 540+ plasma with elite, carapace, gloryhunter 4 and gets hot 4

[untold mulch]

Easy

[tall torrent]

Then I can stop rolling stuff on veteran forever

[terse idol]

Well Shredder technically

Theyre kinda onpar

[outer wolf]

On Melk's. is it worth?

[tall torrent]

Recently got this so I can basically forget about needing to roll a Rashad from now on

[crude ermine]

On one hand, yeah, the other, it's the mk 3

[tall torrent]

No flak+unarmored but this is like as good as it can possibly get for a very long time

[crude ermine]

I got one similar for zel but it's missing unarmored

(this is old)

I put the bromentum and decimator 4 on

[sharp ember]

i agree autopistol is roughly equal with recon, it will stagger and mulch maniacs in close range, but past 10 feet the bullets become chia seeds

recons you can at least click heads and clear shooters at range

[crude ermine]

My first ever Rashad

[sharp ember]

at the cost of no stagger and stinky dps/ammo economy

[tall torrent]

I think zealot has a bit easier bruiser breakpoints due to sustained assault and the 5% melee dmg pathing which gives u +25% melee dmg already

[crude ermine]

Yeah

But at least I don't have to EVER look for a Rashad ever

[tall torrent]

I am not sure if I want 10% melee dmg for best breakpoints

Or 5% melee dmg + duck & dive

[crude ermine]

I'd say try both out

[tall torrent]

5% melee doesn’t get Dreg bruiser 1HS for me

But that’s like the only BP I miss

Assuming I don’t have redirect fire stacks active

That’s why I wanted unarmored + flak

[wary galleon]

FUCKING 1 SECOND FROM COMPLETING THE MOST BALLS TO THE WALL MAELSTROM AND I CRASH

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[tall torrent]

But 25% carapace on mine already, can’t complain abt that

I can 3 overhead crushers

[untold mulch]

OOF

[wary galleon]

LITERALLY LIKE 1 FRAME FROM EXTRACTION CUTSCNEE

OMG

[wise fossil]

No respite is pretty much a meme on Helbores, right?

[tall torrent]

Kind of?

[tall torrent]

It helps bayonet vs ragers

[untold mulch]

Bricked

[tall torrent]

Honestly
I’d harvest

[wise fossil]

yeah pretty much

[untold mulch]

Mega bricked, like damn

[wise fossil]

what are the breakpoint damage mods you want?

is unarmored not good for dreg gunners?

[tall torrent]

Mk1 can get away with a lot of things

[untold mulch]

I love how like half of the perks/blessings in this warp forsaken game are considered bricks

[tall torrent]

Elite, maniac, unyielding, flak

[wise fossil]

sucks. Had to give it a shot since 380

well I'll try this once I get more plasteel

[tall torrent]

At least u got a IV blessing out of it for collection

[wise fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/gotta-catch-em-all-gif-5662253

[tall torrent]

This is basically unbrickable

Maniac is good

[sharp ember]

a high roller mk1 should 1 headshot dreg gunners outright with talent points

[tall torrent]

Second perk could be anything and it’s still playable

[sharp ember]

real preem stuff

[tall torrent]

U could just get onslaught + surgical

If u roll second blessing as onslaught or surgical

Essentially a godroll

It could very easily be a 540 godroll gun

[sharp ember]

wow those are some godroll stat dumps

[wise fossil]

Pretty sure I have Onslaught 4 so fingers crossed for surgical 4

welp. be back in 30

[tall torrent]

Idk how or why but I’ve had way better luck rolling literally every other weapon except plasma

[sharp ember]

plasma feels easy to build but annoying to breakpoint optimize

[crude ermine]

It's like

[sharp ember]

if you wanted to be crazy with it and run +10% elites

[crude ermine]

Giggity

It goes hard on that plus 10 elite

[tall torrent]

For a weapon with such a small blessing pool it surely is a pain to get everything just right

I’m a gloryhunter + born leader enjoyer now

[crude fiber]

i like both so what does that say about me

[umbral granite]

This is the plasma gun that i was running for a while before i got bored.

[sharp ember]

born leader huh, i've never stared at my teammate's toughness bars enough to gauge how much it was contributing

[crude ermine]

What does it even do again

[sharp ember]

snazzy plasma for the most part, i hope the 15% maniac didn't leave anything at like 1hp

[sharp ember]

heals teammates 10% of the toughness you heal yourself, even when at max toughness

[umbral granite]

The only maniac enemy who doesn't instantly die in 1 shot is the mutant, but the focus fire keystone covers that. assuming i have at least 1 stack of focus in the tank.

[sharp ember]

in theory you become a toughness generator with shout and our 3 toughness recovery talents

[light ore]

in the year 2026 we will realize that born leader was actually cracked and just no one ever gave it the time of day

but today is not that day

[hearty panther]

nah, it's exactly as good as you think it is

[sharp ember]

assuming it works on REALLY small fractions like Confirmed Kill regen

[hearty panther]

it do

[tall torrent]

Gloryhunter makes born leader actually playable and when it works it makes a very real difference

[sharp ember]

10% of 30% toughness regen is.... 3%

[hearty panther]

3% to three players

[icy orchid]

huh, I found a pretty useless mechanic but one that's pretty neat. I don't think I've heard anyone talk about tho.

[hearty panther]

and it's a flat amount

there's some nuance to it that makes it actually pretty impressive

[sharp ember]

lemme guess, cover peeking

[icy orchid]

yeah

[umbral granite]

It does theoreticaly make voice of command toughness regen slightly better...

[icy orchid]

kinda funky

[hearty panther]

but it's never going to be as consistent as 10% damage to four people

[icy orchid]

...and serves absolutely no purpose in an actual match lmao

[hearty panther]

you shout at 0 toughness to bail yourself

your 150 is now 200

20 flat toughness to three people is not nothing

[umbral granite]

Me with base toughness of 207...

[hearty panther]

yea

[icy orchid]

do you know if there's an actual use for it?

[hearty panther]

like that's very substantial

[tall torrent]

Essentially

Gloryhunter IV + confirmed kill = 35% toughness immediately, 20% toughness over time (55% total)

55% of total toughness on a proper build veteran (160+ toughness) is 88 toughness

15% of 88 toughness is 13 toughness

For every elite u kill everybody on your team gains 13 toughness which doesn’t sound like a lot but considering the other 3 classes don’t build very high toughness usually, 13 toughness could very well be their 10% and that’s for every single elite u kill

[hearty panther]

and again, you're regenerating in %'s, but your team gains a flat amount

so your 200 toughness sharing 10% of its generation for a Psyker or Zealot at 100~ toughness

is quite substantial

actaully 15%

[tall torrent]

If u run into a shotgunner wave and u just click 3 of them with plasma (very easy to do), that’s already 30% refill to all of your teammates

[hearty panther]

nah not 30%

again flat amounts for teammates

[tall torrent]

It’s 15% share

15% of any toughness u gain besides coherency regen

[hearty panther]

if you generate 100 toughness they get 15 toughness. they do not get 15% toughness

[sharp ember]

it only slightly reduces your hitbox profile to enemy shooters, but it's not great because shooters are crack shots at hitting your forehead. The greatest use I found was using it to crouch and brace my braced autogun for improved accuracy

while still being able to see over a railing

[tall torrent]

I mean the 30% as in

The amount of toughness I’d have generated for them

Would prob have been around 30% of their total toughness

Cuz I’m looking at like 39 toughness for each of them

[crude ermine]

BOOOORRIIIING

[hearty panther]

if everyone is running the same amount of toughness, sure

in reality it can be as high as 60% of their bar or as low as 15%

the percent isnt really the metric

[tall torrent]

If they’re a bunch of veterans it’s not as impactful

[hearty panther]

ye

well, anyone with more toughness than you, in a sense

[sharp ember]

Cover peeking would be WAY more relevant if it also improved weapon accuracy and recoil, but it's no better than crouching in the open at the moment

[tall torrent]

But if you’re not with a bunch of veterans, it’s actually not bad

[hearty panther]

like my knife zealot is 113 toughness

[light ore]

the other thing to consider is the value of feeding your team toughness

[hearty panther]

that's the rub

[light ore]

it's only consequential if you have teamates at a specific skill level

[hearty panther]

none of this matters if the other guys have full toughness already

[light ore]

not so good that they don't need it, but not so bad that it doesn't matter

[untold mulch]

Mhmmm

[light ore]

most of the time, you aren't losing or winning based on attrition

[hearty panther]

it is at its best a way to mitigate melee chip and help in a prolonged fire fight

but you know what already does that?

do you

do you know

[light ore]

i'm gonna puke

[hearty panther]

do you know what already breaks all of that

[icy orchid]

...note to self, never to melk rando weapon lmao

[sharp ember]

I know games like Red Orchestra 2 and maybe Squad give you stability benefits when bracing against cover

[umbral granite]

I made this a long time ago, before i actually knew what i was doing when making weapons... be honest with me, how badly did i screw this thing up?

[icy orchid]

I mean change out flak for something else and it'll be a nice fluffy piece

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s not the most impactful thing but it can prevent a lot of dmg in bad situations

Also

Gloryhunter plasma basically makes u unkillable as long as the game keeps throwing elites at u

Especially if u run target down for tag keystone

You regen a hilarious amount of toughness from a single elite kill

[hearty panther]

vet can generate a disgusting amount of toughness, yeah

if i had Gloryhunter

[light ore]

confirmed kill on its own is disgusting

[hearty panther]

I would take Out for Blood

sadly CK is still way too good to not take at Damn+ level

[tall torrent]

O4B is very underrated

[hearty panther]

it's very good but the vet is just that broken

[tall torrent]

It just suffers from pathing

[hearty panther]

honestly fuck veteran

lmao

i hate this class rn

[tiny summit]

I prefer CK over OfB

[sharp ember]

Out for Blood is real snazzy now, passive toughness income for killing anything in any method is great

but you have to deal with taking Vanguard as a tax point

[tall torrent]

O4B is great for reducing chip dmg as well but 6 stacks of CK passive regen is still nuts

[hearty panther]

Vanguard is very underrated because everyone underrates stamina's capacity to keep your alive

[light ore]

exploits out here trying to figure out how to turn down overtoughness

[hearty panther]

overtoughness is FUCKING stupid im sorry

as it is currently, anyway

[tall torrent]

This is true, but vanguard is not on the same tier as COD or LS

[light ore]

actively running away from vets with their chests all puffed

[tiny summit]

CK and ET is what allows bursts of toughness and facetanking entire rooms of gunners. OfB doesn't help nowhere near as much

[light ore]

i did not consent to this shouting

[hearty panther]

if youre a freak like me who already runs 3x stamina efficiency

vanguard is amazing

because it's -.2 off the sprint cost

and THEN stam eff takes over

[tiny summit]

Sprinting around into surprise poxburster with no stam...

[tall torrent]

U mean sprint efficiency?

[hearty panther]

even with three stamina you can sprint with the knife for an absolute eternity

er ye sprint sorry

[tall torrent]

Yea sprint efficiency is very very underrated

[sharp ember]

behold the cardio freak, they seek not to outrun the crusher horde, but to outrun us

[umbral granite]

Once got a colateral with a conga-line maulers, went from 0 toughness to full instantly... then the confirmed kill stacks let me keep above iron will threshold even as i was being swarmed by ragers...

[light ore]

2 stam curios, sprint efficiency, stam regen

[tall torrent]

U can go like 25m just using 1 bar of stamina, sliding & sprinting

[light ore]

still sitting at 170 toughness

can't stop winning

[tall torrent]

It comes in clutch very quickly in Karnak HM

[hearty panther]

grab both -.25 stam delay nodes for maximum overrun

[tall torrent]

Veteran with nade spam + gloryhunter plasma + born leader makes Karnak HM significantly easier

[hearty panther]

you havent lived until you can regen your stamina while blocking a rager combo

[light ore]

i just grab invigorate on weapon specialist

[tiny summit]

CK stacks really is amazing

[tall torrent]

Playing both stam boost is a massive talent tax but I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t fun

Infinite stamina

[hearty panther]

veteran is so busted right now

[tall torrent]

Bonus points if u run double stam boost with duck & dive

[hearty panther]

i'd give up six of zealot's best/better nodes for a single -.25 stam delay

[tall torrent]

Actual infinite stamina

[next seal]

Now then guys, just wondering if anyone has a link to a good veteran build only lvl 22 at present but not sure what to go for

[umbral granite]

what are your guy's thoughts on "grenade spam" builds?

[tall torrent]

I’d give up one stam boost delay if veteran could use zealot’s crusher

I love that thing

[tiny summit]

Sure. Just grab survivalist and VoC. Everything else is personal choice and will do fine

[light ore]

at a certain point, grenades stop being panic buttons and you just start throwing them for value

[tiny summit]

Funny

[light ore]

so the question is, could you get better value out of taking a different talent

[hearty panther]

you legit only need the grenade recharge

[sharp ember]

the grenade keystone build is legendary, one of our strongest and most versatile setups

[hearty panther]

like if you're already doing VoC

[sharp ember]

and it only scales up in effectiveness with difficulty

[tall torrent]

U could try this

[hearty panther]

just grab the 60s regen

[light ore]

going from 10 grenades a match to 30 is super impactful

[hearty panther]

everything else is just uhhhh

idk

indulgent?

[light ore]

going from 30 to 60 is probably much less impactful

[tall torrent]

This already has most of the talents u care abt @next seal

[sharp ember]

2 shredder nades don't care how many heretics are standing in the radius, they will all die

and more elites means more chances for demo team to proc

[tiny summit]

I like demo team since I run exe

[hearty panther]

yea exactly

but doing all of them?

+nades and timed regen and +on elite?

like idk

there are so many good fucking nodes

[tiny summit]

More shredders

[tall torrent]

Demo team + demo stockpile is a special kind of fun

[hearty panther]

there's no reason to put so much into grenades

[light ore]

like, fundamentally the game will never put you in a situation where you NEED a grenade to survive

[tiny summit]

But more shredders

[light ore]

you throw them if you're not confident enough in your ability to deal with a situation without a panic button

as you get better, the amount of situations like that will decrease

[hearty panther]

my grenades are honestly just a conduit to apply skullcrusher

[tall torrent]

Demo stockpile alone is good
If u add demo team on top of that, some would say it’s redundant, but there really aren’t many situations in this game where u can’t solve by dropping more frags

[tiny summit]

Look vet is already good enough to have plasma, psword and all grenades talents into smoke and be effective.

[hearty panther]

vet is good enough that you can play a pacifist support build with survivalist and shout and you'll still output a higher performance than at least one player on your team probably more often than a coin flip

[tiny summit]

And will taking a different node really make a difference for your build?

[light ore]

so at a certain point it is just nading for value, and in terms of value, the vet talent market is REALLY competetive

[wise fossil]

Demo stockpile, field improv, and demo team are all excellent. Everything else is whatever

[hearty panther]

yes

[tiny summit]

Doubt

[thick wolf]

Field improv be like

[hearty panther]

vet tree is stupid stacked

[thick wolf]

Here Ogryn, free nuke

[light ore]

REALLY REALLY competetive

[tiny summit]

It is, but isn't going to really change it drastically where you can think more nades is redundant

[tall torrent]

Demo stockpile (must have)
Demo team (optional)
Grenade tinkerer (optional)

If you already have these 3, you’ve put a significant amount of points into grenades already and anything beyond that is just overkill

[hearty panther]

you'd

not even need the grenades

because vet is ridiculous

[thick wolf]

I will use my Krak nades

And I will use them even beyond the grave

[tiny summit]

Tinkerer has such a troll placement. Right below krak when kraks kill crushers

[tall torrent]

The only situation where you could maybe get more value out of investing in more Grenade talents than demo stockpile + demo team + tinkerer, is maybe Karnak HM where you actually need to spam frags on elites rather frequently, and I’d maybe pick the +1 nade talent but that’s still a huge maybe

[hollow ibex]

oh boy i sure love spawning into a match with 20% hp to clean up someone else's fucking mess

[next seal]

I've just spec'd it now will give it a go and see cheers 👍 my main is a zealot just trying to get all the others to 30

[wise fossil]

neat. Thanks Hadron

[tall torrent]

Extra 1 nade is usually not needed imo
Just demo team (1 point investment) on top of stockpile is more than enough most of the time

[wise fossil]

I am pleased

[hearty panther]

not taking any of these nodes to me is strictly the definition of insanity

[untold mulch]

The best designed part of the tree

[tall torrent]

This is a 540 godroll

[tall torrent]

U can actually play without these

[hearty panther]

yea you CAN

why WOULD you on the majority of vet weapons

im not saying take ALL of them either

[wise fossil]

now I just gotta find Surgical 4

[hearty panther]

but not taking ANY of them

[tall torrent]

Because left & middle tree have more dmg options

[hearty panther]

is ridiculous

Desperado is beyond insane and it's right under goddamn Reciprocity

[tall torrent]

It’s good, depends on weapons tho

[light ore]

i feel like on basically any vet build i could look at a point invested in demo team and think "i could probably find something better"

[tiny summit]

I literally barely use these

[tall torrent]

Like, if ur running a chainsword, reciprocity + desperado combo is way less valuable compared to smth like devil’s claw

[hearty panther]

then i do not wish to speak with you until you have been institutionalized

[tall torrent]

Just depends

[light ore]

i think i'd actually take 0.25 stam regen delay over demo team

[tiny summit]

Infernus to surgical, can probably get more value changing flak to something else. Flak is only really relevant on scab ragers and mauler body shots

[light ore]

but that might ACTUALLY be insane

[hearty panther]

i definitely do

[tall torrent]

That’s a very valid choice

[hearty escarp]

Whats the best Plasma Gun buid rn?

[tall torrent]

I grab stam boost on left tree

[white minnow]

yeah I'd take the stamina Regen delay node over it as well

[tall torrent]

Cuz it’s just 1 point from 15% elite

[white minnow]

I do think that grenades can be whatevs but demo team does become a must pick for me during melee maelstrom

[hearty panther]

to proc skullcrusher right

[white minnow]

you're sick in the head

[hearty panther]

lmao

[tall torrent]

For me if I want desperado I need to sacrifice either demo team or target down

[hearty panther]

demo team easy

i dont even fukken BLINK

[tall torrent]

The thing is
The only BP desperado gives me is Dreg bruiser 1HS at full headtaker stacks
But if I have redirect fire active, I can hit that BP

I don’t consider crit bulwark 1HS as important of a breakpoint given I already bring plasma

[hearty panther]

how does that relate to target down

unless you meant redirect fire

[umbral granite]

This is the talent tree of my current "Support Veteran" build. Weapons are a slug-shotgun with full bore 4 and no respite 4 and the chainsword i posted earlier, because said chainsword is (weirdly enough) my highest rating meele weapon.

[hearty panther]

oh nvm

i confused myself

[tall torrent]

This is what I run rn
Rashad + plasma

[hearty panther]

you already got that 60s regen

i would absolutely take the stamina node under duck and dive

[wise fossil]

You figure Elite or Unyielding?

[hearty panther]

like as a bare minimum

[tall torrent]

I alr have 1 stam boost and combat axes swing slow enough that I don’t feel the necessity to take another stam boost

[tiny summit]

I think demo team more valuable than the stamina

[hearty panther]

again yall havent lived until youve regenerated your stamina while actively blocking rager combos

[umbral granite]

In regards to this thing, what would you guys suggest i swap flak damage for? Carapace maybe?

[tiny summit]

Well...because I tend to not get myself into a position to worry about blocking a rager

[hearty panther]

probably unyielding

[tall torrent]

If I was playing knife I’d get both stam regen

[hearty panther]

maybe maniac

i cant recall if you need maniac to heavy rev a mutant

[tall torrent]

But combat axe doesn’t rly need both stam regen

[tall torrent]

Not needed

[tall torrent]

Flak is good

Flak gives u 2HS Dreg bruiser with heavy atks

[tiny summit]

Depends. Head into meat grinder and try shooting at the enemies at various ranges. Or make bodyshots because most people aren't hitting the head 100% of the time

[umbral granite]

This thing's light rev + bleed kills the mutants after about 2 seconds of hitting them

[tall torrent]

The issue with that roll is that u don’t have rampage

[umbral granite]

assuming head-slash

[wise fossil]

Y'all bother with Shock Trooper on Helbores?

[tall torrent]

Mk3 maybe
Mk1 and mk2 no

[tiny summit]

Yes

[wise fossil]

good to know. What about Deadshot?

[umbral granite]

Again, i made this when i was still relatively new to vet, and didnt know how to make weapons, i stupidly swapped rampage 3 for the bloodletter 4.

[tiny summit]

Just remove yourself from the ammo economy in the game

[tiny summit]

No. Surgical is all that's needed

[tall torrent]

It’s fine, you’ll get a better roll

[tall torrent]

Deadshot is kind of anti-synergy for helbore because you’ll stay in ads most of the time when using the gun portion

[wise fossil]

hmmm makes sense. I'm new to bayo gun

[tall torrent]

The hipfire is not good enough for u to get away with 50% hipfire 50% ads like with laspistol

[faint perch]

this guy salvagable?

[light ore]

the worst part about it is the damage

but you got the two good perks

so you're free to make the blessings anything you want

[tiny summit]

It's good. CK and ET will keep you topped off with toughness. You can stand in the open against rooms of gunners and be invincible. Also helbores have suppression immunity built in. Bayonet let's you avoid needing to swap to melee save for horde circling moments and poxbursters.

[wise fossil]

I guess Onslaught isn't amazing with a Mk I helbore

[light ore]

knife really wants to 1 tap light zombies and 1 tap heavy both bruisers

[tiny summit]

Nope

[umbral granite]

This is the semi-scuffed helbore i use on my kreigsman vet (i say semi-scuffed because i had to choose between keeping sprint efficiency or poxwalker damage)

[light ore]

so check the psykanarium to see if you can

[tall torrent]

+carapace is not the most impactful perk for HB1, usually you don’t want to point it at crushers

[faint perch]

going for riposte and flesh tearer

[wise fossil]

Yeah now I just need a good Brutal Momentum melee to complement the bayo

[light ore]

you def want uncanny

and then the second blessing is personal preference

[tiny summit]

This what I use for helbores. There's someone in the discord that uses it with melee talents for its bayonet and is still very effective

[sonic marlin]

bruh i have no idea what perk to put there, i can't oneshot gunners without unarmored buff but i'm not exactly a sniper so i thought about carapace or just elite, opinions?

[tall torrent]

U can’t 1 shot gunners?

[sonic marlin]

nope

[tall torrent]

Are u sure?

Headshot?

[sonic marlin]

yes

[tall torrent]

Did u take 15% elite on left tree

And tag them with keystone

[tiny summit]

You do some decent dmg to them at range, relevant for your team to finish them off. But for dmg perks I would see carapace as the luxury, 2nd dmg perk. Definitely unarmored and maniac more value if it's the only dmg perk

[wise fossil]

I have no tier of BM for the power sword wtf

what am I doing

[sonic marlin]

my fucking game crashed and now this happens

[tall torrent]

Maniac is usually higher value, carapace is a pretty low tier pick for HB1 imo because you’ll never kill crushers fast enough with them regardless

Maniac, flak, elite, unyielding, all better than carapace for HB1 imo

[sonic marlin]

no i didn't tag them because there's always like 4 of them at once and i just shoot shoot

[tall torrent]

Try tag?

[sonic marlin]

yeah that will most likely work but its annoying tbh

[tall torrent]

.

[tiny summit]

Again. People forget it's a team.

[tall torrent]

If everything is this annoying to u why’re u even bothering with Boltgun

[zealous wyvern]

verify steam files ofc

[lavish dove]

guys, im a bit noob to knives, which mark is the preffered one?

[tiny summit]

Unyielding for reapers won't be relevant either. You either 1 tap or 2 tap them

[lavish dove]

do both give speed boost during heavies?

[tiny summit]

But I guess bayonet stabbing monstronsities is good

[tall torrent]

A bit better boss dmg and I think u could reach bulwark 1 crit HS with unyielding

Which prob helps team more than taking 1 less HS to kill crusher

[tiny summit]

Eh. I think getting rid of crushers can be more important.

[light ore]

yes, tested both heavies, no speed difference between the two as far as i can tell

[sonic marlin]

and i'm sure thats my settings lmao

[light ore]

both are good

[lavish dove]

Ty!

[light ore]

mk 3 slightly better at single target due to a spammable special attack followed by downwards heavy that doesn't cost stamina

mk 6 slightly better horde due to all horizontal lights and horizontal heavies

its single target dps is the same and slightly easier to aim, but costs stamina

ultimately the differences between them are minor, they both play very similarly

[lavish dove]

wait, heavy attack cost stamina? havent evne noticed that damn

[soft blade]

mk6 uses its push attack to bust armor

[light ore]

no, single target dps is pa

for the mk 6

[soft blade]

and really just for anything beefy

[light ore]

for the mk 3 it's either push attack, special attack spam, or h2l3 repeating

[soft blade]

it’s not a major weakness but you do have to be cognizant of that

[umbral scaffold]

sorry for scruffed audio had to compress it, but this is my new character i got to lvl 30, no shop items all random items i earned as well as no curios

[lavish dove]

got it thanks a lot!

[light ore]

for the mark 6 it's push attack spam if you have stamina to dump

or push attack + special attack repeating

np

[lavish dove]

oh push attack, i was a bit confused yeah that makes sense

[light ore]

yeah, push attack is very important on both knife models

both for control and damage

it's just mk 3 has additional single target combos that don't cost stamina

[lavish dove]

im saving these things into a notepad 😄

seems like a complicated weapon compared to foldable shovel i have now

[soft blade]

most things are complicated compared to the shovel though tbf

knife just requires a bit more spatial awareness

[sonic marlin]

Yeah so this works only when I have 3 stacks or higher which is pretty bad when there's more than one gunner

[light ore]

yeah, like in terms of combos, the h2l3 on the mk 3 is the most complicated thing

and it's not that complicated

[tall torrent]

Do u have redirect fire ?

[soft blade]

otherwise it’s really the same deal as long as you don’t get possessed by running heavies to fuck off into a DH and ruin your team

[sonic marlin]

yes

[tall torrent]

Ok take +elite on that Boltgun

[light ore]

knife is mostly about positioning and knowning what you can get away with

[tall torrent]

That should give u gunner BP with tag

[sonic marlin]

bp?

[tall torrent]

Breakpoint

[sonic marlin]

ah

[lavish dove]

i see, im pretty new to the game and trying to get a knife soon bc i'd like to be a bit more mobile

and i dont mind learning how to use it, seems fun

[light ore]

it's a good weapon to learn! teaches you a lot about the game

and fun when you figure out the rythm

one other tip - pay attention to differentiating between trash mobs and bruisers

you can control trash mobs with light spam and be pretty safe

but bruisers have more health and stagger resistence, and hit really hard

[crude ermine]

I had 5000 plasteel

Why is it so easy to lose the plasteel vs the diamantine

[light ore]

so if you try and take them on the same way, you can get clapped

you have to pay attention to which type you're fighting, and adjust to it

glhf!

[lavish dove]

thanks! bruisers are the more armored horde enemies right

lesser melee

with some flak

[light ore]

yeah

[umbral granite]

because there is no form of material conversion in the game

[lavish dove]

got it thx

[crude ermine]

I'm purely using this knife as a defense so I'm thinking of what perk to use in a scenario where I'm having to use my knifen

[lavish dove]

always thought they just have some extra armor and that's it, good to know

[crude ermine]

Against like elites and shit

Oh

[terse idol]

Honestly Dredge Bruiser looks kinda like a trucker

[tall torrent]

Bruisers can very easily overwhelm u if not taken care of quickly

They’re way more dangerous than they look

[crude ermine]

10% on elites, yeah that'll work

[terse idol]

Or one of them hoe-dunk hill billies boutta make moonshine

[umbral granite]

I have had runs lost because someone underestimated the bruiser swarm that was alongside the rager trio.

[light ore]

yeah, you have to push attack way more aggresivly against bruisers to control them, and cause light attacks don't cut it in terms of damage

[sharp ember]

ASSAULT RANGE

[fast sundial]

what's the word on the plasma gun

[umbral granite]

Is it weird that i find the "plonk" of the Slug shotgun breaking the bullwark's shield extremely satisfying?

[umbral granite]

Still one of the best weapons in the game for veterans.

[fast sundial]

"still"? was it nerfed?

[sharp ember]

one of our strongest guns in the game, only limited by ammo, so if your team feeds you you’re unstoppable

[tall torrent]

Strong, handles anything that’s not mass shooters from all directions, and deals with elite hordes quickly
Just remember that you still have a melee weapon to conserve some ammo and not be an ammo goblin

[umbral granite]

no, it was not nerfed, it's just been consistently one of the best weapons for a while.

Basically just a "Point at that thing and it dies" button

[fast sundial]

i guess that is why plasma vets don't know what melee is whenever i see them

[tall torrent]

Also plasma is not the best at dealing hound waves but that’s pretty self explanatory and you’re prob gonna melee them anyways

[sharp ember]

plasma has swap speed almost as good as revolver too

dipping in and out of melee is super easy

[tall torrent]

Most bad veterans don’t know how to melee, it’s not a plasma gun exclusive issue

[fast sundial]

plasma is like if bolter didn't have ammo issues or 5 year long draw time

[tall torrent]

Not exactly, Boltgun has better ammo economy vs specialists,gunners and shotgunners

[umbral granite]

Plasma gun is so strong, that you can go into an auric damnation with a grey, and still have a solid chance of winning... assuming you dont play like a Loner-Stealt-Zealot.tm

[sonic marlin]

trying to hit headshots with Bolter just feels like i'm not supposed to

[sharp ember]

the survivalist value on plasma is so bad that you could not take it if it optimizes your build path to save a point

nice with bolter though

gobbling more ammo pickups with plasma is a small price to pay for 100 cleave perfectly accurate mini-suns

[sonic marlin]

is Longshot good for Boltgun?

I'm trying to get rid of some stuff so I can take reload speed talents

its what i used for my plasma

[hearty panther]

neat

you dont need the reload speed talents

just gotta learn to anim cancel

[sonic marlin]

whats that

[hearty panther]

i show

because typing takes forever

go to uhh

strike party 1

[sonic marlin]

no mic kek

[hearty panther]

sfine

just gotta see it

[sonic marlin]

do you oneshot gunners without keystone ping?

[bitter turtle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18ymggy/everyone_can_quickdraw_the_bolter/

Here

This is the tech

[hearty panther]

thats for da quickdraw

[bitter turtle]

Or wait no that's the Quickdraw one ye

[hearty panther]

one sec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvqnixyv0Pk

[sonic marlin]

mmm yeah but idk what im supposed to press

[hearty panther]

sprint

alternatively those are also all points where you can switch back to melee

and then resume the reload another time at the next stage

[slow spade]

queue for a heresy for some chill gameplay

Nurgle ordained me to receive his most suicidal subjects

[sonic marlin]

yeah i don't get it, doesn't work for me

[slow spade]

ssimply stack like 95% reload speed talents Uwu

[hearty panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H2xVwwKSrY&t=81s

timestamped

[crude ermine]

If this Devil's claw I got from the eg is good after all the plasteel wasted on numerous I'm gonna fucking cut my toes off and ship them to a 3rd world country

[sonic marlin]

so plasma has 3 points when u can skip, how many does the boltgun have

and when exactly

[hearty panther]

also 3

thats in the other 6s clip

[crude ermine]

This is better than the 18 I've tried to get good

[hearty panther]

when the mag comes out, just before it goes in, and after you cock it

[sonic marlin]

feels like too much effort

[hearty panther]

i mean

it frees you from taking 2+ nodes

i'd say thats pretty substantially worth it

it comes out to about 25% reload speed
(but i also havent fucked around with bolters that have lower base reload to see how it plays out on those)

just gotta practice it

eventually its muscle memory

[sonic marlin]

hmm ok

how about talents

and big changes?

[hearty panther]

iunno do what works for ya

i dont use VoC for Bolter so

[sonic marlin]

how about Deadshot

[tall torrent]

I don’t think killzone is needed, go for a stamina boost instead

I also don’t know if 8 stacks is needed for ur breakpoints

[sonic marlin]

its not

rending any useful on bolter?

[lavish dove]

anyone knows why on the plasma gun sometimes i get no visual/audio feedback for firing?

if im firing it in quick shots this happens a lot

but i do damage and everything but it's rather annoying

[sonic marlin]

u using weapon customization mod?

[lavish dove]

no

[sonic marlin]

ah

then idk, i have the same stuff and thought its because of that

[lavish dove]

i do have quite a few mods tho, crosshair remap, weapon fov

[hearty panther]

some bug from the last patch

[lavish dove]

ah okay so it's a base game thing

[crude ermine]

He is here

The goonlord

[sonic marlin]

what would u put instead of that

[tall torrent]

stamina regen boost

[sonic marlin]

how about rending

useful or nah

[hearty panther]

nah

[slow spade]

yeah sadly bolter is like 100% armor pen on most armor types

weirdly, bolter does like 60% damage to infested enemies

[sonic marlin]

is the buff bar even useful? Like I never looked at anything other than how many stacks I got, thought about putting it in the middle and disabling the other one

[spice wadi]

U have lost ur mind

[slow spade]

its not really useful because lets be honest, you're going to 1-2 shot the target then immediately switch to another tag

[sonic marlin]

i mean i check it sometimes when i see a boss coming

i don't even know what most of my buffs are

[slow spade]

most Vet buffs don't really need to be watched

its mostly the other classes that care if their buffs are up

especially Zealot lmao

"my bleed stacks D:"

[terse idol]

It's fine to check if you want for boss's yeah

Just to make sure you're putting 8 stacks on

[terse idol]

I will say conversely, Zealot buff is like automatic

[crude ermine]

My teammates are the cause

[terse idol]

You'll auto get stacks just being in combat, so it's binary

[crude ermine]

Useless

Every pub so far

[terse idol]

Either you have max stacks, or you don't and just need to go into a horde

[crude ermine]

I should've expected this from the weekend gaming

[spice wadi]

U must overcome

[slow spade]

yeah they're easy to apply, I was mostly joking as a Zealot that has their buffs up vs one that doesn't is like 70% damage resist lol

[crude ermine]

How can I overcome things out of my control

[spice wadi]

By overcoming them

Duh??

[crude ermine]

Wow

[slow spade]

you get used to it. Heresy match btw lol

[crude ermine]

Genius thinking

[spice wadi]

I am

[serene sage]

lie down
cry

[spice wadi]

A very big henius

[serene sage]

says that it's not worth it

and don't do it

[spice wadi]

Al'so tipsy

[slow spade]

I might have to switch to a plasma VoC user just do normal Damnation lol

[muted knot]

Man I went into a game with 3 psykers today

It felt like dragging a daycare through tertium

[crude ermine]

I don't have faith but I kinda do

It's so small

[serene sage]

anyone feels like playing a game?

[sonic marlin]

le baguette

[soft blade]

HugeJackedman

[slow spade]

I would suggest installing the True Level mod

helps me gauge how "tryhard" I need to be

[hollow ibex]

i can play a match or two, give me five min tho

[slow spade]

"lvl 30+5" -> Auric Damnation -> swaps to VoC plasma gun + Power Sword

[sonic marlin]

30+5 yikes just have them combined

[slow spade]

k

[serene sage]

np, ping me

[slow spade]

though its not very accurate for global players

who tend to be always shit

saw a lvl 200+ player and knew in my gut I needed the VoC build

once more, my gut was right

[sonic marlin]

i like checking high lvl players and seeing their bad decisions

volatile

this guy charges his plasma

kek

[slow spade]

indeed, funnily enough his plasma is strong enough to not need to charge to 1-shot most enemies lol

[muted knot]

Not like attrocious, plasmagun needs very little to do good

And charge speed also affects your uncharged attackspeed

[slow spade]

but compared to crit chance...

rip

[serene sage]

they have a new client now?

[slow spade]

if only Deadshot worked with plasma

I want the funny damage

[tiny summit]

Been like that for a lil bit

[slow spade]

yeah its weird, not sure why it changed. Thankfully it doesn't interfere with playing or anything

[serene sage]

i dont hate it

looks nice

[slow spade]

indeed

I like how it focuses the art more

Darktide was never lacking in its art department 💪

[hollow ibex]

do you receive discord DMs?

[serene sage]

i got you

loading in now

i have HDD so just hang tight a lil 😄

it's still loading

truly

[hollow ibex]

yeesh

[light ore]

wtf

[serene sage]

accepted friendo quest

[hollow ibex]

how old is your pc lol

[serene sage]

it's new

[hollow ibex]

🤨

[serene sage]

quite good actually, just really shit drive

[hollow ibex]

you bought a new pc without a ssd? oooof

[rigid nimbus]

[serene sage]

5800X
6800XT
32GB RAM

[hollow ibex]

but no ssd...

[rigid nimbus]

Naur

[serene sage]

i have 2 SSD, Darktide is just not on them

[light ore]

that's what people says about me as i barrel us off a cliff

[rigid nimbus]

Happens often?

[light ore]

just the once actually

we're still on our way down

help

[rigid nimbus]

Long fall

[wise fossil]

Where is the supreme potato graphics mod?

I just played with a purgatus player

and had <30 fps all game

[rigid nimbus]

Then the solution is easy

We must kill all purgatus players

[tiny summit]

You won't get rid of us

[rigid nimbus]

In a line soldiers

[tiny summit]

More will spread. Like wildfire

[rigid nimbus]

Just like anime pfps?

[tiny summit]

Yes. Like femboys in this discord

[rigid nimbus]

Like femboys in this discord

God there's so many

Its okay, there nothing more masculine than being in touch with your feminine side

[rigid nimbus]

LMAO

What a notif

[tiny summit]

Treasuring this one

Used to be gunker and trauma staff. Now purgatus is my brain off loadout

[rigid nimbus]

Wait

You have a brain?

[tiny summit]

Of course not. If you have a brain, then you're susceptible to chaos

[rigid nimbus]

Very true

....that's why I'm so chaotic then huh