veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

so might as well lean into it more

[frank ether]

you dont really need good perks on power sword

I wouldnt consider block efficiency a brick

[hollow ibex]

or unyielding or maniac, up to you

[abstract ferry]

got it, thanks guys

[sonic marlin]

unyielding? Who melees bosses

[hollow ibex]

meleeing bosses is fun, it's how i show those little shits who is boss

[wise fossil]

BoN take more melee damage

[bitter turtle]

have you never stabbed boss with pswordd

[frank ether]

shooting bosses is a waste of ammo for a lot of guns lmao

[sonic marlin]

i like shooting my gun more

[bitter turtle]

what plush said

most guns do pretty shit boss dps

[wise fossil]

Plus bleed is decent damage on bosses if you have knife or something like that

[bitter turtle]

doesnt help that the top tier guns rn also dont have great boss dps

@ plasma/revolver

[frank ether]

Its like

either you get consistent weakspot hits

or you dont

which isnt always up to you

[bitter turtle]

bleed dmg is very low compared to what you can do with knife

with weakspot blessings

[frank ether]

I understand shooting BoN

its annoying to melee

but if you can melee the weakspot it dies fast

[hollow ibex]

it's just annoying in general

[frank ether]

yea

lol

[bitter turtle]

BoN is annoying as fug to solo

gets much easier with 2 ppl though

[frank ether]

Its annoying when it turbo aggros you and your team just watches

[wise fossil]

Yeah kiting doesn't matter as much if the team is off killing groaners

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P38okzI25sI

this is just a lot more efficient than most guns

granted there's some guns that can drop a boss if you build all in on damage

those builds tend to be lopsided as fuck too though

[frank ether]

some guns and talents

really juice boss damage

marksman focus is actually really good boss damage

but conditional

on like, helbore 3 or bolter

it will murk bosses really fast

but most ppl cant hit weakspots consistently

[grim frigate]

[junior needle]

Sunder is the meta alternative to brutal, and it gives more defensive utility by massively increasing cleave, setting cleave minimum to 3 targets, and letting your swings continue through carapace and bulwark shields instead of stopping.

[grim frigate]

Oh no, Agile Engagement works for the Helbore

My Cursed Melee Build is getting uncomfortably viable

[hollow ibex]

wait you can swing through carapce and bulwarks with it? why did i even go for brumentum

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/586094471045709835.webp?size=48&name=pepecry&quality=lossless

[junior needle]

Brudal gives you better chaffe clear

[wise fossil]

As in you don't need to swap?

[tall torrent]

BM allows u to 1 hit 4 bruisers

[junior needle]

Assuming you can aim for heads

[grim frigate]

You do not need to swap!

[hollow ibex]

hmm i see

[wise fossil]

Whoa, neat

I'll have to see if I can get a decent Mk I roll

[frank ether]

on ranged build I find bromentum just better

[grim frigate]

Yeah, I've got a god-roll MK. 1 which I tend to use a lot in melee even when I'm not running my Cursed Melee Build

so handy to know I can get a good damage buff for just playing how I usually do in hordes

[peak badge]

what chainsword is better

A

OR

B

[wise fossil]

Really wish Agile Engagement wasn't in the middle of nowhere on the tree

[grim frigate]

Yeah, dunno how viable it'd be to grab it on my marksman build tbh

I'll have to play around with things

[frank ether]

blursed between smoke and speed aura lmao

I dont mind speed aura but smoke is just

yuck

[peak badge]

ranged smoke vet the sleeper build

[frank ether]

smoke your teammates so they can't shoot

[wise fossil]

Speed aura isn't quite as awful as damage aura but yeah most everything two, hell even three nodes away from Agile is pretty bad

Covering fire is good

[frank ether]

damage aura is in excellent pathing position

[peak badge]

i use dmg aura on my "entirely commissar" build

[frank ether]

and there are cases where it can help breakpoint

[pastel geode]

not sure what regiment this is but it'd be some awesome drip

[peak badge]

there's almost always another vet in pubs using the other perk anyway

[hollow ibex]

no it isn't, i always have to snake around it

[grim frigate]

Hmmmm... Damage Aura is actually fairly feasible to grab for Cursed Melee Build, but idk if I'd want Shout or Infiltrate more

Infiltrate is definitely more Cursed, but Shout would actually give me some team benefit if I ever dared run this thing in pubs

[pastel geode]

I run shout+damage and it runs fine for me

[ebon umbra]

Hey chat, anyone have any dclaw tips?

[hollow ibex]

at least you're running shout...

[torn moat]

Use your special attack for easy rager/beserker kills.

[hollow ibex]

though survivalist is an insanely powerful aura

and if you don't have a survivalist on your team, you're really going to feel it

terrible game design

[ebon umbra]

does it have any glitchy stuff or techs?

[torn moat]

Special attack? No. It just lines up with heads really easy and will pretty much always stun/stagger ragers when you hit them with it.

[pastel geode]

it depends on team comp, if everyone is firing bullets hose gun yeah but i've had matches where no one's ever run out without ammo aura

[torn moat]

As for the best attack combos for dclaw swords, it depends on which one you use.

[wise fossil]

Had a quad zealot run the other night and nearly zero bullets were fired lol

Insanely fun btw

[ebon umbra]

any required melee nodes for breakpoints? recommended weapon pairings?

[junior needle]

You can slide by in regular damnation but even with something like 2a revolver zealot and efficient one tapping I'll still regularly run dry in auric 5's without survivalist.

Reposting this classic too

[wise fossil]

Football hooligans roleplay game lol

[soft blade]

goated lmao

[torn moat]

dclaw sucks against armor. So you want a solid anti-armor ranged weapon (I suggest Revolver for fast swap).

[wise fossil]

Yes everyone should run survivalist. Is that good game design? No. Will your games be much better when you use it? Yes

[hollow ibex]

exactly

i'd rather not run it if i didn't have to

but the moment i take it off, im guaranteed to exclusively get stealth vets running movement speed as teammates

[soft blade]

[grim frigate]

It's definitely nice to have, but I've had a lot of runs where we haven't had it

[torn moat]

Otherwise, it just depends on your build. Are you trying to go shout or stealth? And which dclaw are you using?

[grim frigate]

even with my buddy running Stormgryn

[soft blade]

the game can sense your deviation from its bumass design

[sonic marlin]

69 mods

woo

[soft blade]

[grim frigate]

Have to be more mindful of resources (no taking ammo bags when you've only used 10% ammo kinda deal), but we've done some good Auric runs without it, just with lots of meleeing and good Psyker usage

[idle swallow]

movement speed coherency vets and loner zealots, name a more classic duo

[grim frigate]

...it's damn near necessary on those 'No Ammo, All Scab' missions though

[grim frigate]

2 Loner Zealots who rage-quit the second they get grabbed by a dog/net/mutant

[pastel geode]

in chainsword we trust

[soft blade]

even if i feel like being le funny and not running a meta build the other auras are just so ass i don’t ever take them based on the sole fact i can’t even notice them 99% of the time

move speed is like somewhat noticeable but damage is just a meme

the other auras suck from a viability standpoint and a humor standpoint there is no winning

[midnight totem]

I'm a fireteam stealth vet

[bitter turtle]

you got it backwards

its not tha tthe other auras are bad

honestly

fire team and movespeed are pretty good

you ahve trash like 5% elite dmg on psyker tree

surv is just broken

[midnight totem]

The enemies send a horde at us

They see 3 people

No. BAM. It's actually four

[grim frigate]

ooooooooooooh noooooooo why can I kill a Crusher with 7 jabs of the MK.1 Bayonet

[midnight totem]

But no, I agree. The other classes need ammo support for the team, not just vet

[grim frigate]

what monster have I created

[midnight totem]

Be nice if ogryn could carry an regenerating ammo sack. Maybe psyker could have a "Warp ammunition" aura instead of that lame 5 percent elite damage

By Warp ammunition, I mean chance for bullet or ammo to not be used

When shooting

[elder fiber]

nah other classes don't need ammo help outside of maybe specific guns

some players just need some restraint lol

[idle swallow]

Warp ammo sounds like a small chance for shots to have 100% rending or something like that

Making me think of the ammo upgrades from mass effect

[midnight totem]

Lol

I did a write up on this a month ago

I think I called it, implausible magazines

Just bring to mind the idea of never needing to reload

[grim frigate]

Gungryn having some kind of way to get ammo back would be handy

[midnight totem]

Like in an action movie

[hollow ibex]

yes, esp when 90% of them seem to just constantly spray into hordes and then hoover up every piece of ammo they can find

[grim frigate]

but I find I rarely run out of ammo most of the time with other classes unless there's a lot of situations that require shooting

i.e. room full of Gunners/Pack of 16 Crushers and the only anti-Carapace I've got is a revolver

[midnight totem]

in the same write up

[grim frigate]

It's got to the point if I do run survivalist with my buddies we end up leaving half the ammo pick ups behind and saving the ammo box for the end just so the Ogryn can get free grenades

[midnight totem]

I opinioned that Zealot gets a node where the team gets increased ammo per pickup

[mellow sable]

What are some good blessings for the switch shovel?

[wise fossil]

Uncanny, thrust, take a swing can be good, decimator and skullcrusher are okay

[slow spade]

"if an ally gets thrown off the map, receive 10% of ally's ammo back"

[oblique forum]

https://tenor.com/view/snowman-mewing-gif-10780355880827492718

me

[shrewd sierra]

Time to target barrels as team mates pass them.

[junior needle]

There's technically lucky bullet, but it's not that great and could use a buff

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn? Buff? Reeee

[frank ether]

another thing that could be buffed in a no survivalist timeline

[tall torrent]

Charmed reload + lucky bullet works

[tiny summit]

tried out Exe MF Laspistol. I like the mk2 over the mkx

[sharp ember]

i imagine exe stance covers a lot of breakpoints on the mk2 for 1 headshotting small trash

[tiny summit]

it does

and the hipfire is generous

[sharp ember]

run deadshot?

[tiny summit]

no

[sharp ember]

i like it when running a funky melee build with mk10 laspistol

i really should try shocktrooper laspistol though

[tiny summit]

very efficient ammo even w/o deadshot crits

[tall torrent]

Shock trooper makes laspistol way more fun even though it’s a very significant point investment into left tree

Cuz u rly do want a lot of things on the left
Precision strikes
Deadshot
Extra ammo
Elite dmg
Stamina regen boost
And shock trooper

[frank ether]

its cool but

you're playing left tree

which is ew

[hollow ibex]

balance it out by taking a few nodes from the chad center tree as well

[trim steppe]

Man, smoothest run of my life night. 3 psykers and 1 vet on a HIST dam Investigation, of all things. I think we collectively took like sub 300 damage, it was so damn clean

[tiny summit]

laspistol and MF actually play nice because its hipfire is so generous doming enemies as you strafe around

[slow spade]

next round will be 3 knife rush zealots

[trim steppe]

I shit you not it literally was

[tiny summit]

those are absolute clusterfucks

you'll win, but its a complete shit show

[slow spade]

Balanced as Fatshark would have wanted

[crude fiber]

SBMM kicked in

[placid portal]

The mk3 knife do be fun but the OG knife feels better somehow

[frank ether]

laspis hipfire is like

pinpoint accurate

feels gud

[golden nacelle]

Damn Melk!

looks pretty solid

just swap the perks eh?

[frank basin]

The perfect blessing 🤤

[golden nacelle]

Go flakiac on it then?

[frank basin]

Yeah…

If you want stick to the basic perk

[golden nacelle]

or do you want carapace on a chainaxe, I havent used them a ton

[frank basin]

On carapace, nah that take to long.

Just go flak or unarmored if you wanna kill both scab and Dreg bruiser

Flaniac is your option

[golden nacelle]

flak maniac it is

[crude fiber]

Carapace only if you have thrust 4

Even then not sure mk4 would kill in 1 hit tbh

[golden nacelle]

word

[frank basin]

1 hit anything except ogryn and mutant enemies?

[golden nacelle]

yeah, that works for me

I could run it with my plasma

[junior needle]

Maniac is only useful on melee if you regularly use the weapon to fight naked ragers. Flak and likely unarmored will give you better value if you just shoot them (which is very advisable atm).

Groaners, scab bruiser heads, and dreg bruiser bodies are unarmored.

[frank ether]

So always useful for r*con users

[elder python]

guys which combat blade should i roll for? Mk III or VI?

[slow spade]

I use Infested on my melee so I can kill bursters faster 😎

[golden nacelle]

Yeah, unarmored might be good then cause I'm used to fast horde clear with my antax

So that might be more comfortable when I try out the chain

[junior needle]

Just remember that you use heavies for clear on it

[junior needle]

If you intend to light spam, mk3 is objectively better.

[frank basin]

You wanna stabby single target; the mk3

[junior needle]

You can get slightly better clear with a heavy rotation on the mk6 but it's more effort and I don't like having to juggle combo canceling in melee

[polar kayak]

damn you hadron, i already have these blessings >_<

[fathom grail]

🥚

[agile yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brDXGkTsCDg

[stone dome]

Have had this girl since launch so she stays, anything needs a polish?

[junior needle]

Slaught is notably outperformed by brudal for clear, and sunder for utility/defense

[sharp ember]

it’ll still wreck house but the meta slightly shifted

[stone dome]

noted! slaughterer has been there since launch aswell lol

[agile yew]

Brutal makes it so that if you oneshot one guy, 3 of his buddies lose their heads too

[junior needle]

Well, you need to keep killing all of them too

But yeah you get first target damage

That interaction is why neither rampage nor slaught come close

Which I feel is a bit silly

mk6 is also the preferred model for a few reasons now

[agile yew]

Also mobility is prefered to be above 51% to get max evade stacks

[stone dome]

i didn't like it's moveset when it released, haven't tried it recently, why is it better?

[junior needle]

Horizontals on lights which is easier to play around, extra block efficiency, push attack can now be charged for giga damage, you can cancel the charge animation by blocking and keep the charge

Only downside is it has a ms slowdown when charging

But you can dodge still

[junior needle]

Also important because pswords have shit mobility/dodges

[trim steppe]

I was a longtime mk3 holdout but I'm finally coming around to the mk6. The slowdown on charge was really messing with my rythym, but once I got used to accounting for it the mk6 is my choice

[stone dome]

why tf do two versions of the same dingus have completely different mechanics

[junior needle]

Different forge worlds have different design philosophies, if you want a lore based answer

[stone dome]

no, i wan't a fatshark based answer

[junior needle]

But one slowing you down while charging is purely gameplay differentiation and makes no sense

Much like lasguns having recoil

[stone dome]

have been with them since vermintide, played a ton of verm 2, and that's new to me lol

[light ore]

things being different is good

the individual differences might be bad

[stone dome]

like you had a an axe, and dual axes, which is the same axe but there is two of them, and they were way more comparable than those two powerswords lol

[light ore]

but at a design level you don't want everything to be the same

[stone dome]

if we are talking about design i still hate how weapons here are differentiated with MK variants

and the fact that one variant can be godly and the other complete doodoo

[light ore]

well that's an issue with implementation

i don't like how confusing it is to new players

there's nothing that indicates "this mark is supposed to be used for this, this mark is supposed to be used for this"

i think there might have used to be

but no longer

[trim steppe]

This game had me take me a LONG ass time to figure out how weapon variants worked. Its a good thing I liked the game enough otherwise to stick around and learn them all cuz it felt confusing as hell at first lol

[junior needle]

Lumping weapons into families isn't a bad idea, that's more of a balancing issue

[light ore]

the pattern for weapon families with 3 marks is "2 good, one bad"

[stone dome]

the inspect weapon feature def helps, but it is still too much infor for new/casual players, i have to chew everything out for my friends lol

[light ore]

generally

[stone dome]

it isn't but then you need to differentiate them properly

[rigid kraken]

Hey I'm looking for a group to help with the penance "Make every shot count" if anyone is interested

[junior needle]

That's done well enough for ranged weapons

[light ore]

just a short blurb, like "this knife is for single target, this knife is for hordes"

"this gun is shooty fast short range, this gun is shooty slow long range"

[junior needle]

Strongly recommend doing it in the twins mission, you can empty into boss shields for an easy time

[rigid kraken]

yeah but it has to be on heresy and all my teamates die lol

[junior needle]

Knowing fatshark they'll fuck it up, they can't even label blessings properly

[trim steppe]

I'm sorry the best I can do is put "torrent" on this one and "rapid-fire" on the other. No, I will not explain further, good day.

[stone dome]

eh, when i shifted to ogryn it was hillarious how one ripper is a completely different weapon from the other

[junior needle]

Ah yes, the mechanics are pretty distinct on those

As it should be

[light ore]

a lot of weapon families are can you decipher my riddles three

like with helbores

trying to figure out what's different besides the bwomp sound they make

[stone dome]

idk how it is for psyker rn but on release it was 'you have 3 psyker sticks, go figure out what they do'

[trim steppe]

It's more or less the same, 4 sticks doled out over time as you level up so you have time to try each one out. It's the only class where dripping out the weapon options over level ups felt good

[stone dome]

like people try to be very considerate to lore accuracy with weapon design but then it's still a fatshark game where a group of 4 including an old man with ptsd, a crazy magician, a priest with a gun and a big idiot manage to kill a dozen plague ogryn's in a span of 20 minutes

[sharp ember]

thinking about that tau fire warrior that krumped dozens of guardsmen, vehicles, space marines, traitor marines, and a lord of change

[gaunt hinge]

i'd krump him

[torpid pier]

what does the Psword 3 have over the Psword 6?

[sharp ember]

sprint while activating

[torpid pier]

ah ty

[sharp ember]

flat sweep heavies

that’s it

[torpid pier]

currently trying to get into Auric but sadly when it comes to hordes even the assault chainsword light spam not fast enough for horde clearing, thinking of switching to Psword or devil claw for faster clearing.

if anyone got a melee setup for bruiser one shot let me know

Psword seems awesome but the downtime of charging the sword is gonna be problem in a sea of horde

where every sec matters

[junior needle]

A well rolled rashad (bit of a pain to get) and psword are the premiere clearers currently

[white minnow]

spam dodges and you'll be a-okay

[torpid pier]

oh rashad, never thought about trying that

heard about how painful it is to get a good one

[junior needle]

Yeah psword usage comes down to getting a feel for charging and dodging

The side dodges suck though

So it's recommended to dodge backwards primarily

[white minnow]

absolutely not

sideways and backwards dodge distances are the same

[junior needle]

Oh?

Are you sure about that?

[white minnow]

and you want to dodge sideways for two reasons

1. to get out of the way of attacks
2. to avoid distancing yourself from enemies, which can consequently proc running attacks

[junior needle]

Pretty sure I barely budge with the side dodge and go back further with the back dodge

[white minnow]

if movementanalyzer is to be believed

then yes they are the exact same

[junior needle]

I assume that's a mod

[white minnow]

ye

no longer maintained by the original creator though it's floating around somewhere

[junior needle]

Mayhaps it's inaccurate for that reason

Lemme take a look again, I could simply remember incorrectly

[torpid pier]

ty for the info

[white minnow]

a link to it in the modding server #1079236663840100453 message

[wanton dawn]

Alrighty then, I am adding bolter to my maelstrom ready loadout

And now I need to cleanup cuz I am having trouble finding what is what

[torpid pier]

if only we had the technology to name loadouts...

one can only dream

I am surprised someone hasn't made a loadout naming mod yet

[junior needle]

Yeah I dunno about this one chief, the back dodges look way more substantial and the side dodges barely budge me at 59% mobility

[wanton dawn]

Better

[white minnow]

methinks your high fov is messing with how you're perceiving the distances
https://streamable.com/y4o79v

[wanton dawn]

Plasma ranged / Plasma melee / bayonet / columnus / columnus onslaugh / agri brauto / bolter

[untold mulch]

Wouldn't for distance test better to do the same distance with both ways to dodge?

so box to hound backstepping

and then the same route side stepping

[junior needle]

It would be, I was going by the visuals

[untold mulch]

Some kind of error is acceptable

[junior needle]

But it's a fair point that it could just be my perception

[torpid pier]

No vrak 7 😦

[untold mulch]

Yep

[wanton dawn]

I mean, what would it bring over bolter ?

[untold mulch]

Which is not entirely wrong

Game feel is important

[junior needle]

I feel like

There's a difference

[torpid pier]

maybe it's because I haven't tried bolter yet

I like my V7

[junior needle]

Between tapping the dodge and directional key

and holding a direction and dodging

It feels shorter

[white minnow]

hmm
i'll test that since i have stationary dodges off

[wanton dawn]

I was messing around with bolter yesterday and managed to find a setup i like: #veteran-class message

[untold mulch]

Would test it

But i don't want to boot Darktide for any reason , lost all my will to play

[torpid pier]

oh i might give it a try, ty

[junior needle]

Because I can replicate this, and it feels like the dodge is more substantial when doing them one while not moving (apart from the directional input)

[torpid pier]

bolter gameplay looks like it adds to the chaos compared to the calm Vrak 7 haha

[untold mulch]

Indeed

[white minnow]

doing the same thingy in my video, the distances seem the same

[wanton dawn]

Dah bolter setup

[white minnow]

https://streamable.com/ippupp

[torpid pier]

damn bolt even has insane range like V7, the only concern is the ammo with V7 having double but hope survivalist cover that

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, I do eat ammo

[torpid pier]

gonna give it a try if I roll a good one

[torpid pier]

ty

[wanton dawn]

But I had forgotten how much bolter suppress everything

And delete any ranged elite

[untold mulch]

Sooo it just feels that backstep is longer

FOV is weird

[sharp ember]

unless your team is massively wasteful i feel pretty comfortable keeping my boltgun fed

i run low when it’s time to full auto but i haven’t clicked 0 in an emergency yet

[white minnow]

such is the life of crack cocaine users (people with high fovs)

[sharp ember]

thanks to higher ammo stash spawns

[keen sedge]

it could have been so good...

[wanton dawn]

How the hell my crit count is so high on bolter though Does the explosion count as crit applied ?

I am not shooting 1.2k round per match

[junior needle]

Hopefully it is just my perception and I'm not going crazy. Does it look like the constant movement dodges are shorter to anyone else?

[wanton dawn]

You don't gain distance with dodge on PS

[junior needle]

[untold mulch]

Perception looks like

Look at the "ground marks"

[wanton dawn]

There is a recovery window with a slowdown

[untold mulch]

the start dodges feels terrible though

like, I think they overall still run the same distance give or take the error margin of actively walking

But because you don't go much faster, visually is jarring

[wary galleon]

i bet this guy goes to church every sunday

[white minnow]

if you mean that stationary dodges are shorter than yeah that's what the mod says

but only by a very marginal amount on average

on the scale of 0.01s meters

[dawn garnet]

the voices told him to do it free my man

[wary galleon]

other guy was PSYKERS IN PARIS

xD

[slate plover]

Any one now how to get on overwatch penance done ?

[dawn garnet]

least crazy psyker

[lilac eagle]

The fuck does this '+2' mean?

[dawn garnet]

finally got to 30 on vet what do you guys think

[dawn garnet]

he has enough xp to be level 32

its the true level mod

[lilac eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

Oh mods

[sharp ember]

look for low intensity malice missions, run either shout ult or stealth ult, preferably shout for the knockback stagger

you can take melee hits if you have 100% full toughness

because you won’t take health damage unless it’s a crusher or mauler super slam

avoid barrels as well just to be safe

[wary galleon]

fax

[unreal bone]

:despair:

My teammates 😔

Go the entire Auric Maelstrom without a single point of hp damage.

They fighting for their lives.

[junior needle]

With a hard R? Can't believe it.

[earnest lodge]

Psykas

[gaunt hinge]

i just need more funny symbols

for my loadouts

like a laser symbol

[light ore]

you're really leaning on Target Down! for toughness regen

you could probably spec out of Kill Zone, Keep Their Heads Down! and Marksman

and put those points somewhere else

[dawn garnet]

ye kill zone i wasnt sure if it was that good

[light ore]

i would go through middle tree rather than right tree at the start

to pick up confirmed kill

and fill out the rest of the tagging keystone subnodes

that will leave you with 1 extra point to play with

which will probably be weapon dependent

exhilarating takedown is good, suppression immunity is good if your weapon needs it

Reciprocity is VERY good, and i'd see if you can try to squeeze it in

[dawn garnet]

im not very good with the tagging yet so i figured id use the ult buffs until i get better with it

[light ore]

well the ult buffs are 5-10 seconds of a temporary buff

[dawn garnet]

yeah you're not wrong

[light ore]

whereas something like redirect fire is a 12% damage buff for the whole team for essentially the entire match

so the opportunity cost isn't really worth it

i'd give something like this a shot

that's 29/30 points

so there's one to put where you want

[dawn garnet]

yeah maybe i can rebind the tag thing too so i dont spam people while im trying to tag

[light ore]

where do you have it bound now?

[dawn garnet]

default same as pin wheel and other middle mouse button actions

[light ore]

yeah you'll definitly want to make it it's own dedicated button

i have ping on a side mouse button

and it's basically muscle memory at this point to ping anything i'm shooting

on all classes

[dawn garnet]

I have one but i just got this mouse so im not used to using it

[light ore]

yeah, you'll definitely want to get into the habit

and then it'll just become second nature

killing things that are marked refunds 2 stacks, so you just play the tagging keystone like you would any other build

you shouldn't wait to kill a target till you have max stacks

most of your damage is going to be coming from the team buff

[sharp ember]

i put tag to T

[dawn garnet]

thats too far my right thumb isnt doing anything

[unreal bone]

Mmm trying to make a fun stealth build is rough.

[dawn garnet]

mb 4 is good enough

[unreal bone]

Well a fun stealth build that includes the survivalist perk*

[dawn garnet]

yeah that might be hard zealot does stealth better

[light ore]

i think you generally shouldn't have your movement keybinds clash with your combat keybinds

[dawn garnet]

and most of the melee nodes are far from survivalist

[light ore]

that's why you always swap quell off r for psyker

infiltrate being good but unpicked because of shitty tree placement is one of the perpetual indignities

[placid prawn]

is this an ok emperor drop

[thick flint]

I have the ping enemy on a mouse button

[dawn garnet]

thats a voidstrike staff

[thick flint]

I feel like that's the most comfortable spot for it

[wanton dawn]

yes

[placid prawn]

ahh

[wanton dawn]

blaze and flak are both top tier on plasma

and you got them both at top tier

modifier are fine

[placid prawn]

yeah and i figured its good cause i rarely get 500 rating plasmas from anywhere

[dawn garnet]

store farming always works they really should let you buy stuff through the chrome extention

[placid prawn]

hardon has destroyed my plasmas like 5 times. i love to see it :D

[thick flint]

what's the situation on infantry lasguns rn?

[dawn garnet]

i bricked 4 +3 stamina curios

[thick flint]

which one is considered to be the favorite

[dawn garnet]

until i got a random one from the store that already had a good perk

[untold mulch]

Ia is the best pound per pound I believe

[wanton dawn]

Ia seemed pretty good when i tried it in psy

but I hate lasgun

[untold mulch]

IV is weird with its fire rate

and XII has an identity crisis I think

[thick flint]

back when I played the heaviest infantry lasgun ruled

but I heard that it's not really the case anymore

[untold mulch]

I hate how headshot focused the infantry lasguns are + how jumpy the recoil is

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/worldofwar-timeschange-change-garrosh-gif-13230689

[untold mulch]

Like autogun recoil is well recoil

but Infantry lasgun recoil feels like the Vet is faking it out

pew pew moves his arms while shooting

[cedar pecan]

why does a laser even produce recoil

[dawn garnet]

yeah exactly

[untold mulch]

Because in their tests recoilless feel terrible

But honestly

[dawn garnet]

does fatshark have a bethesda dev?

[untold mulch]

Recon feels good to me

[narrow bough]

would anyone know if you can still cheese 'make every shot count'?

[untold mulch]

Recon is almost recoilless, and it feels good, so i don't know how much water "recoiless feel bad" can withstand

[thick flint]

just looking at the numbers the medium lasgun seems to be the best out of the 3

[cedar pecan]

I did it with plasma gun, just wasting ammo on hordes and using melee when I don't have a clear shot

[untold mulch]

definitely not the fake recoil it has

[untold mulch]

Ia

yes

XII shoots too slowly even if it has some better breakpoints

adn IV if you spam, you ain't hitting much

but at spam distance in close range

Infantry lasguns have the stupid ass reverse falloff

so you are losing damage

[narrow bough]

thx chief

[untold mulch]

Overcharge at hordes to shoot less as possible

[cedar pecan]

only shoot when you're sure you will hit (careful with your teammates killing enemies before your shot lands)

[untold mulch]

you will get around 10ish shots per flask, so you have 20ish shots in total

miss less than twice and you good

Hit zero, change to melee

[cedar pecan]

oh and make sure neither you nor anyone else on the team has survivalist

[narrow bough]

yeah 😄

[cedar pecan]

and ofc don't die because you will spawn with more ammo

[narrow bough]

already ran into that issue

[mystic owl]

it's the modifiers number you want to focus on

[narrow bough]

thx for the help

[nimble sentinel]

something's wrong I can feel it

[cedar pecan]

Do I keep going?

[unreal bone]

Fartshart should really release the Aquilla Guard set or the Relic of Cadia set next rotation

If they wanna make some $$$

Give us one of them Fartshart come on you know we wanna buy it 😭

[cedar pecan]

how does the full Aquilla set look

[unreal bone]

idk what headpiece it would come with there are a few with that color of camo.

Probably this helm.

those 2 sets got leaked 13 months ago. :despair:

actually 14 now.

still not been added.

I am GUESSING that the Relic of Cadia set they will include the green scion backpack perhaps? To make it cost a lil more.

If they even plan on releasing that backpack still.

[near sable]

IV with weapon specialist, deadly accurate gives me a hotshot las for like five shots

[untold mulch]

deadly accurate was?

[dusty sluice]

worth grabbing?

[near sable]

it be the hs crit blessing

[untold mulch]

Okay, Imma write that one down

thanks

I want to use las

[near sable]

MKIV has 174% v. Maniacs (far)

[sharp ember]

solid but be warned mk13g lights can only hit 2 bruisers

you’d have to activate rampage off thinner trash or use Heavy 3

[near sable]

so that measly 100 damage isn't true, but if you get rushed by six ragers you need to throw grenades yesterday

[dusty sluice]

what are the combos for it?

oh and i also have this, what sould i change?

[sharp ember]

light spam is 1 strikedown followed by cleaves, heavy 1-2 are strikedown and heavy 3 is a cleave, but you cannot combo loop heavy 3

[dusty sluice]

odd

[unreal bone]

Fun Fact: There are 3 reskins of the Catachan outfit.

[dusty sluice]

i have one lol

[unreal bone]

And 2 of them are dogshit, and the third is dogshit imo--but some people like it.

[unreal bone]

yeah you have the fractal camo one

but it's only camo on the chestplate, nowhere else in that set does it have camo.

[dusty sluice]

thats the newest one right?

[unreal bone]

Only 2 have been released

the default jungle

and the butt ugly fractal one.

[dusty sluice]

it looks silly

[unreal bone]

It would look better

if the pants had matching camo

But the pants are like

gray

But it's not worse than the other 2 reskins

they somehow made the other 2 catachan reskins even worse.

[sharp ember]

weakspot to your enemy of choice, unyielding is a valid pick if you want to chainsaw bleed bosses. You can keep wrath or swap it to rampage because its heavies easily cleave and activate it, and rampage gives power and therefore damage + cleave

[unreal bone]

Leave it to Fartshart to somehow cook up the most stinky reskins of stuff.

[dusty sluice]

Would swapping bloodletter to rampage be good?

[unreal bone]

I can't stress just how fucking dumb your sleeveless shirt guerilla jungle fighter looks wearing ARCTIC CAMO.....

[sharp ember]

Yes, that would be solid with wrath as a general horde clear setup

[untold mulch]

The intern changing colors 5 minutes each week doesn't think it through

[dusty sluice]

this is looking very bricked

i just realise the base rating

lmao

[unreal bone]

I'm not completely against reskins in moderation, but they gotta A) not be a fuck load of them and B) make fucking sense..

Somehow they failed to do either with all 3 of the catachan reskins.

[untold mulch]

I am against them, because they sell them almost full price for 5 minutes of work

[unreal bone]

I mean it's not perfect.

But you don't HAVE to buy it y'know?

Will I buy the red skinned kasrkin when it comes out nope.

Cause I got the green one.

[untold mulch]

Ugh, I hate the "you don't have to buy it"

Like yeah, but looking fancy has always been something in games

[unreal bone]

You can look fancy without buying EVERY piece of content they drop tho XD

[untold mulch]

Thats true, sadly I consider all their content overpriced to shit

I have no respect to them as a company

[unreal bone]

I think it's not the most overpriced set of cosmetics in the world.. But their STUPIDITY is what is annoying me.

[untold mulch]

oh thats for sure

[dusty sluice]

this is my current one lol

[unreal bone]

It took them HOW long to release Salvarr Chem Dogs? They were fully functioning outfits for like MONTHS

[untold mulch]

The premium sets?

[unreal bone]

They accidentally put them in the shop for like 30 mins many months ago and ppl had them and were using them.

[untold mulch]

My guess

[unreal bone]

Yep

[untold mulch]

they have rough timetables

where they predict spikes of players/purchases

[dusty sluice]

dclaw is my favourite weapon

[untold mulch]

so then they release the good shit

[dusty sluice]

so silly

[unreal bone]

My response to that would be censored.

[untold mulch]

So do mine

So do mine

Like, in this server my words for Fatshark opinion is my chill tame control

If I run my mouth, I wouldn't be here

[unreal bone]

Once I get these two sets I'll shut up for good.

[untold mulch]

also because the guilty of my complaints, don't read this fucking chat

[unreal bone]

Soon as they release these two sets.

Idc anymore.

[untold mulch]

Right one looks nice

[unreal bone]

Left one pairs very well with the Scion helmet.

[still nebula]

gorgeous

[mystic owl]

mmm that left

[unreal bone]

Been waiting

14 months

[mystic owl]

[sharp ember]

need

[unreal bone]

for that set with the Relic of Cadia chest

still

not out

14 months later

what is Fartshart waiting for

[mystic owl]

battlepass

[untold mulch]

maximum profit

[sharp ember]

i might bite the bullet and get the current cadian flak outfit in shop, but i don’t like the rolled up sleeves

[still nebula]

they probably wanna make a similar "heavy flak" set for the other 3 classes and sell all of them as a premium cosmetic rotation

[unreal bone]

They've had over a year to do it

[untold mulch]

Sadly the store probably has a few analyst predicting where they can get not good money

[untold mulch]

but all the money

[unreal bone]

My response to this would be censored.

[untold mulch]

[unreal bone]

I gotta fight the urge to call them a word that starts with R.

[untold mulch]

I call them Leeches

[unreal bone]

I'm sure there is SOME merit to waiting for the right time to release stuff?

Like Krieg on Halloween Valhallan on Christmas.

But like

IF YOU WAIT TOO LONg

PEOPLE LEAVE

14 months is a bit too long

[untold mulch]

They don't care, the numbers matter, they don't give a fuck otherwise

Game industry went to shit when suit morons leeched into it

Short term profit is all that matters

[unreal bone]

All they gotta do is gimme those 2 sets the Relic of Cadia and Aquilla Guard

and I'll shut up.

[low yacht]

I'm good on Zealot but people want me to carry them

[placid portal]

[still nebula]

this is probably a bait statement. i'll take it

[low yacht]

I'm not baiting.

[placid portal]

I will admit

[low yacht]

Someone asked me to carry them and it got us all killed.

[placid portal]

I'm kinda lacking in mental capacity to do certain things

[low yacht]

I was the last man standing again cannot exactly do anything when they run off

[placid portal]

can't believe the R word is beaned

[unreal bone]

what enemies are infested enemies again?

[placid portal]

Dogs

[bitter turtle]

poxwalkers, dogs

[placid portal]

poxxies

[low yacht]

It's a multiplayer videogame are you surprised

[bitter turtle]

as in, the groaner type

[unreal bone]

I got a really good plasma gun tht has a funny t4 perk on it.

[bitter turtle]

they're more bulky t han the unarmored poxwalker type

[unreal bone]

But guess what

it's fucking infested

[placid portal]

[unreal bone]

If only that was not infested.

[placid portal]

Ay man at least plasma don't got that 67% dmg modifier vs infested

[low yacht]

I just tear through maulers

Maulers are light work

[placid portal]

Boltgun has to 3 shot kill dogs

[low yacht]

Maybe remove that collateral and give me damage back

[untold mulch]

Change the perks?

[unreal bone]

I'm gonna use plasma on my funny stealth vet build.

[low yacht]

Collateral is such a dump stat

[unreal bone]

Is Shattering any good?

[untold mulch]

against bosses

[unreal bone]

Other than bosses?

[untold mulch]

Is not terrible per se

but plasma as long as you hit breakpoints

I would personally only change the perks

and with that

whatever you don't kill in the first hit

tag

and let other kill it

[low yacht]

Glory Hunter isn't bad

But is it the best perk. No.

[untold mulch]

Honestly now thinking aloud, imo that

Change perks, and if you don't 1 shot anything but is 1/3 health or so

just tag if you can spare the time and let another of the team take the kill

[low yacht]

Well I one shot them with boltgun

[unreal bone]

Hmmm

Perks to flak maniac I guessing?

[untold mulch]

hmmm, I heard carapace too

[low yacht]

The pistol casually being a boss killer.

When you have that speedloader blessing.

[unreal bone]

the revolver being a literal fucking pocket cannon 🤡

Revolver is a pocket mass accelerator.

[low yacht]

It's a overkill cowboy revolver.

[untold mulch]

is ridiculous

[unreal bone]

It's fucking stupid.

[low yacht]

It's fun but why is boltgun weaker.

[placid portal]

dunno

[unreal bone]

Yeah bro who wins.

[untold mulch]

I have said it

someone in design team is a cowboy fanboy

[unreal bone]

A 65mm rocket propelled projectile

[untold mulch]

that or a playtester with a lot of pull

[unreal bone]

or a .500 magnum revolver

[low yacht]

Apparently the pistol does.

[placid portal]

Could be fitted for AP rounds

[low yacht]

Fatshark thinks a pistol is stronger

Then a boltgun

[placid portal]

Boltgun is just brutal weapon due to cruel method of damage

[unreal bone]

Still wouldn't beat out a bolter

[low yacht]

Is it cruel? Explosions are badass.

[unreal bone]

even if the revolver was loaded with fucking tungsten tipped depleted uranium core revolver rounds

[placid portal]

Well for the recipient

[unreal bone]

the bolter is still a 65mm aphe projectile.

[untold mulch]

is an L they didn't make a one hand melee and pistol together

Making pistols outright outperform rifle roles is a fucking joke

[low yacht]

Justice is cruel.

[placid portal]

It has been decreed

[agile forge]

On the other hand, the revolver ocelot memes are great

[placid portal]

Empra thinks revolvers are badass

hence Revolver >>> Boltgun

[low yacht]

Revolvers are too small for his hand he would need a whole rocket.

[astral dagger]

A molten nail bullet go though the skull of a heretic next thing it's go boom

[agile forge]

I love to reload during a battle! There's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver bullet into a well greased chamber.

[low yacht]

The Emperors Rocket Launcher

[untold mulch]

🤨

[low yacht]

Could you rephrase that?

[untold mulch]

He said what he said

[placid portal]

Who the fuck greases the chamber

[astral dagger]

kinda sus

[placid portal]

It ain't blackpowder

[low yacht]

It's even better

[sharp ember]

https://tenor.com/view/revolver-ocelot-metal-gear-mgs-gif-18427951

[low yacht]

I want a cowboy fit in darktide.

[agile forge]

https://youtu.be/Lj7UfgWYHiY?si=CBsVtIB1oDGrEYz0

[astral dagger]

Can you go revolver ocelot build in darktide yes

[untold mulch]

Dammit Ocelot

Dammit Kojima

[low yacht]

I mean homebrew cowboys.

[nocturne mortar]

[untold mulch]

Now I mentally want to make a Guard Regiment

[untold mulch]

where they all go cowboy look flak armor

and lasguns like repeaters

[low yacht]

Rogue Trader had cowboys.

There is cowboys in 40k?

Hold on.

[astral dagger]

If you want the old west style use revolver

[untold mulch]

Is a galaxy with over 1 million imperium worlds

Sure why not

[low yacht]

I mean cowboys are cool.

[astral dagger]

where cowboy hat for veteran?

[untold mulch]

I remember htat fanart with a Space Marine indigineous Indian

[agile forge]

I'm sure Tom and Ben did a lorehammer or yourhammer on it at some point

[untold mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189558069554843679/1203102862457180260/i-feel-the-irresistible-urge-to-recreate-the-space-marine-v0-a8k04kqioel81.png?ex=65cfdfda&is=65bd6ada&hm=c305a8b868908a91b06d8caa9a1df2fbdda7c32c919bfabf0c1f68d9612a1534&

[astral dagger]

Damn.

[untold mulch]

It goes hard

[low yacht]

Apparently Exodites are cowboys?

Or at least they fit the role of cowboys.

[unreal bone]

I wish the breakpoint calculator let you factor in skill tree perks

[low yacht]

The Eldar

[astral dagger]

Imagine you go though the hive city with only revolver , a Knife and a full cowboy outfit with a hat on

[untold mulch]

[lilac eagle]

Who in the fuck designed the Native American Space Marine

[astral dagger]

cowboy hat for ogryn when?

[low yacht]

I mean it's pretty cool.

[untold mulch]

Someone that understands the rule of cool

[lilac eagle]

I mean

[low yacht]

Even though this looks more like Star Wars

[untold mulch]

Also I assume that karking bow has the strength to pierce whatever is in the way

[lilac eagle]

A Space Marine sized bow would be fucking terrifying

[low yacht]

It just looks like a scene from star wars

[untold mulch]

It gives the vibe yes

[lilac eagle]

Star Wars and a select part of 40k operate in the same theme

[unreal bone]

Is the Darktide Breakpoint Calculator broken or smth?

[low yacht]

Space Western and Space Opera isn't 40k

Not that I remember

[unreal bone]

1152 dmg to Dreg Rager, but the calculator says I should be dealing enough damage to 1 shot dreg ragers?

breakpoint calculator broken?

[astral dagger]

where do you get The Death Korps of Krieg looks in darktide?

[untold mulch]

Waiting for the shitty FOMO shop to rotate until

[low yacht]

Fomo shop

[agile forge]

Basically a full-sized ballista

[astral dagger]

Aw hell i guess i have to wait for it which is a pain to do

[sharp ember]

check the charge value input on the calculator? might've defaulted to full charge shot

[low yacht]

You'll be waiting a long time

[unreal bone]

Oh I see

1.0 is full charge

[astral dagger]

I see

damn it "Drive Me Closer, I Want to Hit them With My Sword!

[sharp ember]

yeah, not sure what left click charge is supposed to be

[untold mulch]

The shop is controlled by such obvious leeches is almost funny

[lilac eagle]

Depends entirely upon where you go in 40k

There is EVERY genre in 40k

[unreal bone]

I think 0.5? 0.5 makes the breakpoint calc say I should be doing 1044.. I obv do 1152 but that could be influenced by like skill tree perks

[lilac eagle]

I mean Frontier worlds, or even Death Worlds, are basically just Westerns

[low yacht]

Yes but the main themes are fantasy sci-fi which are a vast array of things. As they have so many sub-genres.

[lilac eagle]

And Space Opera is literally everywhere there's nobles or high born classism

[low yacht]

I mean not all operas are funny

Some are just tragic and dark

[lilac eagle]

I'd honestly say comedy is the least represented genre in 40k

[low yacht]

Orks have comedy but it's definitely twisted.

[untold mulch]

Ciaphas Cain ocasionally

[lilac eagle]

But that kinda happens when you market your entire universe around 'grim dark'

Cain is decent for more 'light hearted' stuff

[low yacht]

Gulliman apparently told a joke once and surprised everyone

In the books I forget which one but in one he told a joke or something.

[untold mulch]

I think it was when he broke a pen

because his hands were massive?

armor of faith book I believe

[low yacht]

It's because he was stuck in armor and couldn't hold anything and dropped all his papers.

[fair relic]

You can literally do whatever in 40k. The imperium has a million worlds.

[untold mulch]

and everyone stood not knowing what to do because a literal son of god just cracked a joke?

[low yacht]

Gullimans true weapon actually telling jokes.

Even Chaos would fear him.

Imagine

At least he isn't Mortarian mopping even when he wasn't affected by chaos.

[lilac eagle]

Slaanesh would find it fucking hilarious

[low yacht]

Mortarian is so moppy.

[zealous wyvern]

slaanesh would "drop the papers"

or at least go down to pick them up

[lilac eagle]

They'd do both and then also be the devil and angle on Gulliman's shoulders

[low yacht]

To be honest how Fabius Bile died felt deserved speaking of Slaneesh

[agile forge]

40k is so dark it wraps around to being funny again

It's like

[zealous wyvern]

wait he died?

[lilac eagle]

Gotta find humour in horror

[agile forge]

Existence of servitors, lol

[zealous wyvern]

when

[low yacht]

Yes Fabius Bile died

[lilac eagle]

I keep forgetting Fabius and Mortarian are separate people

[low yacht]

I mean he has died several times but each time he is a different person. So, he is dead at least as dead as vader.

[lilac eagle]

Fabius clones himself and then transfers his mind across the clones

Kinda like the Mauler Twins from Invincible only he doesn't keep a spare

[zealous wyvern]

so what was fitting about his death

[low yacht]

I mean eviscerated him for using ruinous powers and saying chaos didn't exist or at least a slaneeshi greater daemon

Which Slaneesh spoke through I do believe

[lilac eagle]

I think you're misremembering that interaction

A daemon of Slaanesh comes to talk to Bile, Bile says its not real and the Gods aren't real, daemon then points up and Bile has his hearts shut down from seeing Slaanesh looking down at him

He doesn't die from that tho, he just shoots up a load of drugs and fixes his heart rate again

[low yacht]

Didn't he use stims to stay alive

[lilac eagle]

Yes. Had he been a normal dude, probably would've immediately died.

However he's Bile, so he was only 'close' to dying

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/c8qlcu/book_excerpt_fabius_bile_clonelord_fabius_is/

Full interaction

[low yacht]

Kinda a badass

[lilac eagle]

I mean, you can certainly take it that way.

In my mind Bile is just living on pure copium

[low yacht]

I mean it's cool how he ignored a daemon but still a heretic

Or maybe he knows they're real and is simply in denial

[lilac eagle]

Bile is one of those 'Chaos' marines who doesn't actually give a shit about Chaos or the Gods

[zealous wyvern]

based

[lilac eagle]

Hence why Slaanesh wants his ass

[low yacht]

Isn't there another one that doesn't agree either The Iron Warriors.

[lilac eagle]

He thinks daemons are just projections of human thoughts, nothing else. He doesn't believe any higher powers could exist in the Warp, so no Gods

However he's on some MAD fucking copium when a daemon who 'isn't real' casually tells him to look up at the galaxies staring down at him

And then his hearts, for some wild reason, suddenly stop and he has to go into combat mode just to not die

From nothing

[low yacht]

It wasn't nothing it was probably slaneesh

[lilac eagle]

Thats literally what I'm saying

But he still says Slaanesh isn't real

Its denial on a cosmic scale

[coral imp]

Columnus Mk V Infatry Autogun = best gun.

[low yacht]

Isn't that how chaos works the stronger the belief the stronger the control over you or something

[bitter turtle]

how important is flak on the kant laspistol

im thinking if i get dumdum4 or switch unyielding to flak

[low yacht]

Flak is good against most things

[lilac eagle]

The more belief a concept has, so the more people who worship gluttony, the more powerful the entities of gluttony become in the warp.

[bitter turtle]

well ofc it is good generally

but im wondering if anyone is familiar with the bps

so i dont need to test them myself

[zealous wyvern]

it was his mind twisted by the warp. its not nothing. its a powerful illusion brought up by the mind

[lilac eagle]

"Something whispered, deep within him. It scratched at the walls of his mind, trying to catch his attention. He ignored it. ‘No gods,’ he repeated. ‘Random confluence of celestial phenomena. Interdimensional disasters, echoing outwards through our perceptions. I think, therefore I am. They do not, so they are not.’ He met the Quaestor’s bland gaze unflinchingly. ‘Gods are for the weak. I am not weak.’"

From the scene

[zealous wyvern]

yeah he genuinely thinks its all a powerful warp trick of mind

i think it makes sense

[low yacht]

It's to make him sound more delusional

[zealous wyvern]

i would certainly think the same if this happened to me rn

[lilac eagle]

The copium to say 'ah yes, this random instance of my hearts stopping was precisely that, a random occurance. Nothing out of the ordinary here.'

[zealous wyvern]

not sure if he has seen demons physically fight battles tho

[lilac eagle]

He knows daemons are real things

[low yacht]

He has he probably just denies it.

[lilac eagle]

He just doesn't believe there's anything more to them

[zealous wyvern]

fair enough

[low yacht]

Despite he saw them with his very own eyes he is in denial.

[lilac eagle]

The difference between a warp daemon and a Chaos God is very fucking big

[zealous wyvern]

heart attacks are literally a known phenomena of mental shock

[lilac eagle]

So you can know one exists but not believe in the other

[zealous wyvern]

yes

his heart stopping is super reasonable to not consider a divine act

[low yacht]

Or of daemons shutting your heart down

[zealous wyvern]

hearts stop from mental shock

mental shock can happen from hallucinations etc

[lilac eagle]

If he believed it was the daemon that caused his heart attack, he'd probably just merc the daemon immediately lmao

He's not exactly friends with them, he wouldn't care about defending himself

[zealous wyvern]

no not the demon

i mean his own mind brought the cardiac arrest

through imagining such an influence

its possible

[lilac eagle]

Ok you've sold me on that idea

[zealous wyvern]

and plausible

[low yacht]

I mean being around daemons drives you crazy, and would probably do that.

[zealous wyvern]

nice

[lilac eagle]

Man had a moment of 'wait what if' and nearly fucking died from it

[low yacht]

Their presence alone

[zealous wyvern]

ye

lmao

[lilac eagle]

"Gods are not real."
"You sure?"
"Wait fuck"

[zealous wyvern]

what book is this?

i need more material

[tough tiger]

If i was big e, i would be proud of bile

[zealous wyvern]

hes a traitor

[low yacht]

Clonelord?

[zealous wyvern]

i wonder if the Emperor is proud of his traitor sons

in a way

[low yacht]

Fabius Bile Clonelord

[lilac eagle]

Yeah its clonelord, I was just checking if that was the real name

[zealous wyvern]

like a father being proud of how much their son has accomplished, even if it was against him and morals

[lilac eagle]

He's probably proud of the few that turned back to the Imperium

[zealous wyvern]

who

when

[lilac eagle]

Uuuuuuuuuugh

[zealous wyvern]

primarchs?

i dont remember

[low yacht]

Time to subscribe to audible so I can listen to Krieg

[runic hound]

are helbore lasguns meant to just be ranged slot melee weapons or what?

they are outstandingly horrible

[zealous wyvern]

no

they are not bad

[lilac eagle]

There was that Thousand Sons' guy who ended up helping Rylandor take a pop at Fulgrim

[zealous wyvern]

you need onslaught though

[low yacht]

You just need good perks for it.

[zealous wyvern]

you need onslaught

[low yacht]

Fulgrim thinks he is beautiful.

Fulgrim was beautiful

[bitter turtle]

you don tneed onslaught on mk2

[low yacht]

I use MK3

MK3 is great

[lilac eagle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Deathwatch_Black_Shield

Here we go

Black Shields are formerly Renegade marines

Some anyway

[low yacht]

The most tragic I believe are the Lamenters.

They did everything they could for humanity and ultimately got dumped by the Imperium.

Unfortunate.

Ironic for the name lamenters.

[zealous wyvern]

they got dumped?

[lilac eagle]

Someone send the Lamenter's CV to the Salamanders

[zealous wyvern]

i thought they are still held onto

[low yacht]

Well they did a lot and I believe got accused of something

[lilac eagle]

They're on a penance crusade right now

[zealous wyvern]

they just always have bad experience but always get another chance

[lilac eagle]

I.E. no help allowed from anyone in the Imperium and they've got to go kill the scariest shit out there

[zealous wyvern]

thats fine

not dumped then

[lilac eagle]

I mean

They're expected to be wiped out

[low yacht]

They made a cure for the black rage apparently.

[zealous wyvern]

you KNOW they wont be wiped out

its the lamenter way

[low yacht]

You mean how they are known to die

[zealous wyvern]

huh?

i mean they ALWAYS make it through

always

anyone thinking the lamenters arent gonna come out of this dont know them

its their whole story

they always endure while getting the worst

thats the chapters point in writing

[low yacht]

That's why they have the black rage they're a blood angel successor chapter

[zealous wyvern]

i dont know what you mean by that

the black rage doesnt really have any relevance in this

[low yacht]

Because the successor chapters of blood angels all had major flaws.

[zealous wyvern]

doesnt have relevance tho

they could be anyones chapter

[low yacht]

And that flaw carried over otherwise they are different

[zealous wyvern]

the reason lamenters have such horrible luck is because they are part of cursed founding

no

its the entire founding vivid

[lilac eagle]

Off topic but I always liked the theory that Carcharadons are a Night Lord's successor

[zealous wyvern]

they are just so strong that they keep enduring their bad luck curse

[low yacht]

They use the same gene seed for the successor chapter but that's the only similarly

[lilac eagle]

Loyalist chapters born out of traitor gene seed is a neat idea

[zealous wyvern]

it has nothing to do with bloodangels

[zealous wyvern]

i will make an iron warrior seed chapter recruiting from krieg

they will pretend to be fists ofc

[lilac eagle]

That's a fucking aesthetic

[zealous wyvern]

but secretly iron warrior just like secretly vitaechambers are heresy

[low yacht]

Successor Chapter of Blood Angels the Lamenters

[zealous wyvern]

fits em well

[lilac eagle]

Tho now I wonder how absolutely fucked in the head a Krieger SM would be

[zealous wyvern]

yes but its irrelevant

[zealous wyvern]

they would be taken before the psycho training

[low yacht]

But they eliminated the black rage apparently

[lilac eagle]

"I must die for the emperor to atone for my world's sins!"
"Bro, stop, you're a SM. You're redeemed by default. Stop charging the Greater Daemon."

[zealous wyvern]

a special training regiment

none of that cannonfodder thing

[low yacht]

Because the thing about gene seed is that it can be cured.

If I recall

[lilac eagle]

Not by any of the random shmucks in 90% of SM chapters

[low yacht]

Or at least changed enough that the flaws don't exist.

[zealous wyvern]

theyd of course still view their service as penance

[dawn garnet]

what are the animations like for the xiiig chainsword is it any better at clear than the mark 4?

[low yacht]

Haven't used it

MK II is my favorite

Space Marines are the last boss for most heretics.

[dawn garnet]

any of the chain axes have good clear then?