veteran-class

[marble bridge]

who could’ve ever thought

simply incomprehensible

[wise fossil]

hmmm to try out the Stripped Down meme or to just take Deathspitter

[marble bridge]

stripped down is not a meme what

[quick steeple]

raking

[wise fossil]

I know it's not really a meme it's just funny to me that it works so well

Praise the Omnissiah

[junior needle]

Reddit moment

[sharp ember]

ah yes, but what about second crusher?

[terse idol]

Put down crushers with a spray of headshots...

With the entire mag

[junior needle]

recon lasguns good because I take rending talent, only recons do this

[terse idol]

the cope

Oh my god

[candid vapor]

Yeah... spraying should involve killing a whole group. Not one crusher

[junior needle]

You know this dude sprays into melee chaffe the whole game and suctions ammo

[sharp ember]

i do the same thing with graia brauto except i get more ammo and base damage to work with

[junior needle]

You know the people who upvoted him do too

[candid vapor]

Hoover behavior

[wanton dawn]

Soldier, you are being angery right now

[junior needle]

But I have my sad cat profile pic on. Not my angery one.

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/commercial-snickers-cranky-gif-5478685

[junior needle]

I'm perfectly chill, as you can see from this picture of me

[terse idol]

I can attest to this

Very chill

[sharp ember]

https://tenor.com/view/gougar-gouger-cougar-googus-gif-26563443

[wanton dawn]

What a cute little murder machine

[terse idol]

no embed

😌

[marble bridge]

fuck one sec

[wanton dawn]

not_a_virus.txt.exe

[marble bridge]

took less than half the mag

idk man

recons are bad but theyre not THAT bad please do not lie about it theres valid shit to call them dogwater about

like the fact theyre miles less ammo efficient than the infantry lasguns

[wanton dawn]

1k1 dps on crusher is mild though

[junior needle]

+carapace damage
+exe

[terse idol]

HMmmmm

[near sable]

grahhh

[marble bridge]

ok lemme just switch it to +flak and not use exec

[junior needle]

Barely anyone uses exe anymore, but definitely no one runs carapace on a recon

But the moral of the story is that any automatic using onslaught can bust crushers

[terse idol]

You could take the fastest firing one too no?

I thought that one had the best damage

[junior needle]

It does have the best dps

7a is middle of the pack

[junior needle]

Sneakily changes to 6d, puts on rending strikes

[near sable]

pewwww

[junior needle]

I see you

[marble bridge]

i had an extra point from not taking exec

[marble bridge]

also this

[marble bridge]

here ok one sec

[junior needle]

Likely story

[marble bridge]

literally look at both trees

count the fucking points

[terse idol]

Well you got rending and onslaught

[sharp ember]

average felinid guard regiment

[terse idol]

s'alright

[junior needle]

I don't know how to count, only know how to bust chops

[terse idol]

Wouldn't swap to me revolver, but it's a test

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-flame-look-what-i-have-created-shout-gif-17812125

[marble bridge]

literally why would you not take onslaught if youre using a fast firing weapon

[tidal rapids]

Heresy FM I see

[terse idol]

truuuue

[near sable]

HERESY FM

[marble bridge]

it is like 2 points extra for the ability to kill crushers with a gun

[wanton dawn]

Cuz fast firing weapon are still not great at taking out crusher despite onslaugh

[terse idol]

That's fair enough

[junior needle]

228 dps, pathetic

[hard briar]

What? No I made this

[near sable]

BLACKSTONE FORTRESS CAREENING INTO CADIA

ONLY REAL BEATS FOR REAL HERETICS

https://tenor.com/view/fall-of-cadia-cadia-battlefleet-gothic-gif-25242351

[wanton dawn]

Take the columnus for instance: would you take onslaugh for anything else than crusher ?

[terse idol]

I mean okay to be fair

[junior needle]

With its falloff values, flak and unyielding

[terse idol]

Columnus compared with anything is goofy

[sharp ember]

what’s the starting falloff distance of IAG anyway

[junior needle]

It has weirdly massive falloff

[terse idol]

This is the biggest problem we're facing

[wanton dawn]

Sure, but can you beat rending strike on those ?

[tidal rapids]

Honestly, I would rather either use krak grenade or melee them

[terse idol]

That the comparison rolls back to literally the most broken iag in the game

[junior needle]

You can take both, I do

[near sable]

stanposting begins now

[wanton dawn]

Lemme check but I think i take neither

[terse idol]

I'll keepmy mind open

To the recon

[marble bridge]

rending strikes is bad lol onslaught is the ok node

[hard briar]

Heavy Bolter when

[wanton dawn]

Rending strike is better below 5 hit per mob

[terse idol]

I thought onslaught was honestly mandatory for auto's

[junior needle]

You wanna take both since the 6d goes down to 50% on multiple damage types

[marble bridge]

anything that cant benefit from onslaught has enough armour damage that they dont need rending

[hard briar]

Braced Heavy Bolter when?

[marble bridge]

like sure, rending is better with revolver or plasma but they already kill fast enough it doesnt matter

[sharp ember]

i’d like defensive emplacements during survive segments

[terse idol]

I mean then I'd have to ask soldier if you're willing to replicate the test

[hard briar]

Hand Cannon when?

[terse idol]

cause that doesn't seem the wooorst

[hard briar]

But bigger number

[marble bridge]

who gives a shit theyre already dying lol

[sharp ember]

who’s taking rending on plasma

[hard briar]

I do

[marble bridge]

nobody

[terse idol]

I wouldn't take rending on plasma

TBH

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-i-did-robert-pattinson-batman-bruce-wayne-gif-27445271

[quick steeple]

yea thats wasted point

[junior needle]

Na that's about accurate, any onslaught setup can deal with crushers well. Recons suffer from dogshit modifiers (and also a poor baseline) so that's actually a more flattering test.

Lemme pull out the columnuts for a comparison though.

[terse idol]

Noooo

We can't

It's not feasible

To compare any gun to columnus

[wanton dawn]

btw, I reach 1k4 dps with my non rending, non carapace columnus build on crusher

[terse idol]

I think it's so wildly agreed that the columnus is so broke

[white minnow]

crit moment

[terse idol]

Any weapon compared to the ciag is weak

[hard briar]

Actually did I even take it for this primary fire one shot on mutant?

[sharp ember]

columnus
columnus brauto

[terse idol]

Until columnus actually gets in line

[junior needle]

The other iag's aren't that far behind

[terse idol]

It's just not possible

Hmm

Ehhhhh

[junior needle]

In terms of baseline

[terse idol]

I wish I knew

[quick steeple]

burst agri iag meme is funn

[marble bridge]

graia and columnus have the exact same damage columus just shoots faster

[terse idol]

Which wait

[hard briar]

Isn't graia

The shoot faster?

[terse idol]

Means the ciag is mor2 damage

If it shoots faster

[slender turtle]

Fs coming in with the patch that buffs recon mk 2 to match the columns

[junior needle]

Which means higher dps, ye

[terse idol]

Eh

I'd be kinda okay with that

[tidal rapids]

Nah, give the infantry lasgun full auto mode

[slender turtle]

it's just the laser version

[terse idol]

That's the mk4

With full auto mod

[hard briar]

Nah

[wanton dawn]

0 investment towards killing crusher on that one.

[terse idol]

Yeah, this is why

I cannot say we can compare the CIAG

[wanton dawn]

And I am never shooting crusher with it. I consider it a mistake

[white minnow]

though graia does have better falloff so there's that at least going for it

[hard briar]

Give the recon lasguns...
A hose that connects into the mag/battery slot.
Then give up the crit damage modifier to 3.5x
Then attach a massive battery pack to the back of the player that the hose comes out of.

I just fix recon lasguns fatshark it only took like. 5 seconds.

[near sable]

I hunger for hotshot las

[terse idol]

uh

just make the hellgun

😌

[hard briar]

No

[near sable]

maybe for Grendel

[junior needle]

Here you go

exact same talent setup as: #veteran-class message

[tidal rapids]

Borrow some gunner equipment from the local moebian regiments, clearly standard issue stuff with how many the 6th got running around

[terse idol]

Is that applying the super close damage doe?

[hard briar]

Grendyl shows up in a fucking Imperial Knight blasting "WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE!"
And then calls us broke for using rifles in a mecha fight

[terse idol]

Gotta do the test from similar range or is it the same?

[junior needle]

I'd prefer both of us to do it at that range for ease of testing

[near sable]

I hope Grendyl shows up on screen eventually

[wanton dawn]

[terse idol]

I guess that's fairr

[near sable]

mainly to blam someone

[terse idol]

pain

[wanton dawn]

Not even the most dps in can achieve, I did not take carapce and elite

[terse idol]

yeah, I dunno

Maybe

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-stop-coping-subhuman-coping-just-right-gif-20747920

[terse idol]

Maybe the columnus needs to be nerfed so we can actually see what everything is doing

[wanton dawn]

THough hey, maybe I will try something like this in no ammo modifier

[terse idol]

Because this is craaaazy

because part of me kinda agree's that the recon isn't that bad... well when you fully invest into shooting crushers

[hard briar]

When I'm in a Nerf this overperforming weapon competition and I'm up against Fatshark

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[near sable]

this cat me

look at his splendor and grace

the face of a cat armed with the Columnus IAG

[hard briar]

POV: You are the Columnus pattern Braced and IAG rifles and Fatshark just got around to nerfing you for overperforming.

[junior needle]

It's hard to see if I'm actually hitting the head at this range, pretty sure I'm missing a few shots

[hard briar]

Install an aimbot for testing purposes
(Do not)

[junior needle]

But yeah, due to how both the guns are close in carapace modifiers, carapace is the most flattering showcase for recons vs any autogun

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-gif-23024245

[junior needle]

Maybe if I squish my fov

[wanton dawn]

Standard version without exe stance or mark

[junior needle]

But yeah, point made. There's nothing special about recons for carapace killing and it's literally just rending talents. Any automatic weapon uses them well.

[terse idol]

😭

[wanton dawn]

a god roll recon can barely compete with a dumpster ciag

[junior needle]

Depending on the target, it's a definitive win for the ciag

[fast sundial]

funny how recon lasguns try to do autogun things but they do negative damage and have reverse falloff

[wanton dawn]

I mean... : #veteran-class message

[junior needle]

They don't have reverse falloff anymore

And it was only one that did

[fast sundial]

oh, indeed?

[junior needle]

Lmao that's right, I did see this before but forgot about it

[fast sundial]

unfortunately it still tickles

[junior needle]

I need to post it when people ask

Yeah the guns still blow

[fast sundial]

it turns you into The Extremely Slow Killer With The Horribly Inefficient Weapon

except a spoon might actually be more effective

[hard briar]

At the least, it does not consume ammo anymore

[terse idol]

urgh maybe I am on the mega cope mode now, even because I'm not even building a recon yet
BUT
Any weapon would technically look bad shooting into the back of a mutant right?

wouldn't it be better to compare recon with any other iag, other than the ciag

[wanton dawn]

I don't think a single "good" weapon look this bad against mutant

[terse idol]

lasgun

[wanton dawn]

especially with a +25% mutant perk advantage

[terse idol]

I'm joking

It's a different tool

[fast sundial]

i just melee mutants

[terse idol]

We need the spread sheet

[wanton dawn]

Also this is not a test made in good faith

[marble bridge]

woa they admit it

shooting the back of a mutant is a bad test

[wanton dawn]

You think it would look better on the front ?

CIAG has HUGE weakspot modifier. Recon has terrible ones

I made everything so that recon looks better

[marble bridge]

it would be less disingenuous if you shoot in the front

[wanton dawn]

Sure, but then I probably need to nerf the ciag further

[marble bridge]

if youre that bad at aiming that hitting weakspots is a bad test you probably need to stop playing veteran

[terse idol]

We .. .do have a video of it

It doesn't look much betterrr

[white minnow]

non-weakspot comparisons are the relative best case scenario for the recon

[wanton dawn]

Way to move the goalpost by calling me bad though

[marble bridge]

sorry

that was not the intent

[terse idol]

Mutant head's also move very erratically while idle but we do have the videoo of a comparison with headshots from the front

[wanton dawn]

Am saying that if i introduce weakspot to the mix, ciag will annihilate recon

[marble bridge]

yea thats how it is

youre going to be hitting weakspots in a normal game

[junior needle]

You're looking at the wrong thing in these videos. The mutant ttk is superfluous, it's just a nice punching bag to more reliably showcase maniac dps as larger HP pools are less prone to random variance.

In this case, ciag 2-4x the maniac dps of the recon baseline.

Including on bodyshots.

[terse idol]

*nod

[junior needle]

Yeah man, the gap only gets wider with headshots.

They also have very similar ammo pools, but iag's have like 2x the damage per ammo used on bodyshots at least, even more on headshots/crits.

[junior needle]

Mutant is the best test dummy for maniac damage though?

[terse idol]

Part of me just feeels like, it's just further proof of how ciag is literally insane.
Any other IAG or Braced autogun SHOULD at baseline without any talents or perks would also struggle in this test

I'm like ahh

[junior needle]

Here's agri and graia iag

They perform pretty well.

[trim hemlock]

It depends on what you want to test. Other Maniacs aren't even remotely as healthy as Mutant is.

[terse idol]

oh

[trim hemlock]

and Mutant by design is supposed to be 'resistant' to ranged by having a huge health pool

[terse idol]

that's pretty sad

[junior needle]

Here's bodyshot performance

[terse idol]

Well

[junior needle]

The huge healthpool is also why it's so good for dps testing

[terse idol]

It's a good way to test how much damage a thing can do because of the massive healh pool

[junior needle]

And also the fact that its head, while uncooperative for low dps headshot testing, doesn't bob a shitload when shot

Like the rager does, which is the next highest hp maniac

[trim hemlock]

In ideal circumstances. In a vacuum. In a non-practical situation.

[terse idol]

evidentally Graia seems similar to recon on back shots, but excels in weakpoint

[terse idol]

It's just

For DPS testing

[junior needle]

We're not measuring ttk, we're measuring dps

[trim hemlock]

And what will you use that DPS for realistically

Or just "for fun"?

[marble bridge]

dps that isnt going to happen anywhere that isnt the psykanium lol

[terse idol]

You don't DPS test on a maniac with less HP than the mutant, it's testing purely for damage

[terse idol]

I mean

[junior needle]

As a measure of how good weapons perform against armor types?

What kind of question is that

[terse idol]

CIAG just dumpsters crushers

In actual gameplay too

You can reliably get headshots on charging crushers

With the gria

[trim hemlock]

It's a question I asked, because I didn't understand what were you doing that for

Please ease your mind

I'm not attacking you

[marble bridge]

if youre going to test a weapons damage you should do it in normal conditions, where you have a normal-ish skill tree and are shooting something in the face lol

[terse idol]

The TTK to damage is important in these real scenerio's because you only have so much time to get so much damage on target

[terse idol]

Testing baseline isn't a bad idea

Because if it performs well without anything it'll benefit much more from talents

[junior needle]

I didn't think you were, I'm just puzzled why someone would ask what practical dps would be useful for

[terse idol]

If it struggles baseline, it won't perform on-par with weapons that gain MUCH more benefit from talents

[white minnow]

they're going to take similar talents anyways

[terse idol]

It'll perform below-average

[marble bridge]

or you could just test if it would perform well with talents, like youd see in normal gameplay

[terse idol]

I mean

The Gria and Agri test

Shows that the ttk for headshots

Is very low on recon

for mutants

[terse idol]

If both gria and agri still out damage the recon on normal tests

It's gonna struggle harder

On normal gameplay

[junior needle]

I also do that, but I don't have the mod that lets you change your setup in the psyk. So it's not as simple for me.

Also, primarily, there's many disagreements as to what qualifies for a good tree, and the tree can also hide baseline weaknesses so they're less appreciated.

[terse idol]

Because then the time to kill is faster, you have more variance

All your shots aren't gonna land exactly on the one weakpoint

Which, if the weapon isn't already performing well in a sterile enviroment

It's gonna perform worse

In actual gameplay

[marble bridge]

i can show you the tree i use for columnus that works really well in auric

should hold up for every other fast firing weapon

[terse idol]

the columnus is one of the best weapons in the game

In both scenerios

🥹

[junior needle]

I don't even play vet currently, but I appreciate the offer

[marble bridge]

yea so if youre gonna test a weapon you should kinda see what it can do when you try and build into it

[junior needle]

What's that mod called for the psyk gear change

[terse idol]

I mean again

[marble bridge]

loadout config

[terse idol]

This is the whole discussion of building

[marble bridge]

should be on nexus if it isnt i can link you it

[terse idol]

But then

You're right

It's just

Oh myan

[marble bridge]

ok this is the fast firing weapon tree i use

[terse idol]

I feel like it turns into the discussion of "Is it worth it to build this weapon"

If I build this weapon am I gonna turn it into an above average performing weapon or is it just gonna be baseline for other weapons

[junior needle]

Loadout monitor is on nexus, doesn't seem like config is. But I found it on the modding discord. Hopefully 0.1.0 is the latest version

[terse idol]

Cause I'm certainly feeling like, building a recon is just building in line for the baseline of many other Auto guns

While if you just

built an autogun in the first place, you're gonna be performing better

[junior needle]

More or less. One sec I have a video somewhere

[terse idol]

It just harkens back to

[marble bridge]

i mean yea

[terse idol]

Well Recon needs a buff

[marble bridge]

autos are just better at the moment

[terse idol]

*shrug

Yeah

[marble bridge]

yea

[junior needle]

Recons are just shit

[marble bridge]

stacking the deck to make recons look good if anything would delay them getting a buff lol

[terse idol]

It's the issue that, building a recon is just building it to perform in line with regular autoguns

And this is literally

With what you built

God roll

Max damage rolls

[junior needle]

Fatshark doesn't seem to have any issue with delaying buffs for them without help

[terse idol]

Best blessings

Best Perks

To get

Baseline for an IAG

[terse idol]

MAYBE thiiiissss coming month

I mean we're bound to get like

Some communication

[junior needle]

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

[terse idol]

People are trying and I mean it works, You'll just do more with autoguns, with half the effort to build it

Anywhoo

We'll see

Or we won't

😌

[marble bridge]

"half the effort" you build them the exact same

[terse idol]

You don't need

Max 80 damage

[marble bridge]

if you mean same results for the half the effort sure

[terse idol]

In all stats

Yeah

Daat's what I meant

[marble bridge]

damage is the dump stat for both of them lol

[junior needle]

So yeah, even with a build and +maniacs specifically you'll get less bodyshot damage than a gray, talentless ciag if you assume 1 crit string, or barely more if you assume no crits.

[terse idol]

I don't subscribe to damage dumpstat

IT MIGHT BE
But urgh

[marble bridge]

80 damage compared to 0 damage is like a 25% drop in total damage

[terse idol]

If we're gonna get really unhinged

Someone's gonna have to test BP's per bullet

On an automatic weapon

[junior needle]

Just because you don't go to zero damage from a zero damage stat doesn't mean that damage isn't an important stat

[terse idol]

For different damage values

Well

It's also because damage affects literally all other damage values

[junior needle]

Also here's pure headshots. You get more value with infernus off testing against muties because stacking.

[terse idol]

25% is kinda big, but uh, BP's for auto weapons...

[junior needle]

Ciag still does way more, gray, baseline

[terse idol]

It's just efficiency

[junior needle]

no talents

[marble bridge]

80 deals 229 to reaper head, 60 deals 215, 7% drop

[terse idol]

Again you could probably get away with 70min damage on all guns 😌

[marble bridge]

80->70 is a drop off 229->221, which is a 4% drop

[junior needle]

And?

I'll take 14 more damage per shot

I don't even know what gun we're talking about

[terse idol]

Sophie you did watch tanner's video on damage is a dumpstat eh?
Because I didn't 😌

I

reallly don't like

[marble bridge]

thats its 7 more damage on a 370 weapon

going from 70 to 80

[junior needle]

Dump stat means it's less important than other stats

And you'd ideally want it the lowest for others

That's not damage

While the damage stat may be less impactful than it seems in a vacuum

You still want it maxed for efficiency, it directly and clearly benefits you

[terse idol]

well

[junior needle]

Considerably more than say, mobility on a ranged weapon

[marble bridge]

stopping power affects your armour damage, stability affects the recoil which is probably more important than damage, missing shots makes damage number 0; and mobility is REALLY noticable if youre trying to back away from stuff while shooting

[terse idol]

I gues sit is that tohught process of if you're down 8 damage

[sharp ember]

i pewpew da boss

[terse idol]

That's 8 damage per every shot on an automatic weapon

[junior needle]

Uh huh, that adds up

[terse idol]

but stopping power is also affected by

Daamge

Every damage stat is directly related to damage

[white minnow]

(ammo is conveniently missing)

[terse idol]

Crit, affected by damage values

[sharp ember]

80% ammo forever

[marble bridge]

ammo drops like 2 rounds from a small tin and 7 from a red ammo

[terse idol]

And the way crits work, it's hard to get more crit damage

[terse idol]

well

It's a question of TTK

Imo

You're dumping for 60 damage

for your automatic weapon, now all enemies take a few more bullets, all your cits do a little less

All your damage modifiers

Do a little less

It's compounding

At least that's why I don't want to watch tanner's video and that's a cop out on my part

[fast sundial]

why do people like the columnus so much

[marble bridge]

70 damage 80 stopping gets 282 flak headshot, 80 damage 70 stopping hits 276 flak headshot which is like 4%

[terse idol]

because i t kills everything instantly

[fast sundial]

well, not really

[terse idol]

which is compounding per bullet

[terse idol]

What'cha mean?

[junior needle]

Highest dps automatic in the game

[marble bridge]

yea 4% less per bullet when you dump stopping lol

[fast sundial]

takes a while for flak, or distant targets

[terse idol]

it's 4% for an automatic mag dumping weapon

I mean

If you're speaking of dumping damage

like you said it's 7%

Compounding on all damage values

I'm not comfortable admitting Damage is a dumpstat rn

[marble bridge]

🤷‍♀️ thats fine

[white minnow]

most engagements either happen up close or can be comfortably forced to be up close

and it's still good for flak if you hit headshots

[terse idol]

This also affects theoretically

[junior needle]

Because it's not, you still want it

[terse idol]

Long-range drop off

[marble bridge]

it just does not has as big as an impact as youd think

[terse idol]

So you are constantly missing more and more damage

[fast sundial]

yes but why not agripinaa

[white minnow]

cuz less close range DPS

[junior needle]

agri does less dps

[marble bridge]

like literally stopping power is higher damage for same total stats

[white minnow]

the columnus is the unique one among the IAGs

the graia and agri are the same flavor (same DPS and ADMs, just different damage per shot and fire rate)

[terse idol]

But stopping power affects a certain group of targets no?
which still damage benefits stopping powerrr
I just FEEL like in some situations you may not know it, but those compounding percentages add up

[white minnow]

columnus has higher ADMs up close & worse ADMs farther away

[terse idol]

At least if we're talking

A true dump

On 60%

[fast sundial]

why not just dump mobility

[terse idol]

Why not dump stability

[marble bridge]

it affects every target where your actually going to care

[terse idol]

If you want a stat that's really goofy between 60 and 80

Then stability is literally useless

And mobility kinda too honestly..

[marble bridge]

mobility is noticable when you dump it

[terse idol]

As long as you don't lose a dodge

[fast sundial]

do you commonly run with your gun

[marble bridge]

i have died in 3veg a couple of times from half inch too short dodges

[fast sundial]

actual question

[marble bridge]

trying to backpedal from a pogryn

[terse idol]

I mean I'm in the boat that a perfect weapon is just min 70 all stats(Barring weapons with crazy BP's like Rashad)

[marble bridge]

no you use the knife to speed around, mobility is to dodge away from shit thats running at you

[terse idol]

Okay if you're say, using knife

You have the longest dodge distance

[marble bridge]

those .4m shorter dodges add up real quick if youre trying to dodge away from a crusher pack while killing them

[terse idol]

As far as I know even a 60% dump on mobi on a knife

Is still gonna be very easy to dodge things

Compard to a dclaw

[white minnow]

well crushers are one of the best enemies to dodge with low mobility weapons

not quite the enemy you want to use in your example

[marble bridge]

tea

[terse idol]

I beg to differ, I would rather dodge crushers with a knife

[marble bridge]

yea

[terse idol]

Would rather dodge anything with a knife tbh

[marble bridge]

i shouldve said something thats a little bit more dangerous like shotgunners or a chaos spawn

[junior needle]

Highly depends on the weapon too, some (like certain waterguns) have 2 near useless stats

[terse idol]

Some of these weapons just have inherently bad mobility

[white minnow]

yeah i wouldn't want to dodge crushers with a 0% mobility weapon but they can be dodged by sheer timing

compared to other enemies whose dodge catch is longer

[terse idol]

Yeah but it's the safety that a long dodge affords you

It does help give you distance so enemies behind that one

Don't also start winding up another attack

[white minnow]

i'm not saying that dodge distance isn't useful

i'm saying that another enemy is better picked an example

[terse idol]

Like maulers, or like bosses?

[white minnow]

maulers similarly have a low dodge catch

[terse idol]

Or well I guess a mauler is just a mini crusher

[marble bridge]

yea like a chaos spawn

[white minnow]

yeah cspawns and ragers

[marble bridge]

just armour in general tbh in 3veg its all mixed hordes and armour

[terse idol]

Well ragers, you block and time to be faiiir

[junior needle]

Aren't rager attacks undodgeable if they actually connect?

Crab mentioned it before

[white minnow]

yeah iirc from what crab said, their dodge catch is the same as the attack hitbox

[terse idol]

Wait yeah..

I swear I've had that

[white minnow]

or it's tagged to be undodgeable or however it's implemented in code

[terse idol]

It's probably better to compare bosses with dodge

[white minnow]

basically can't spot dodge their combos

so dodge distance does matter since you can't dodge them through a timing component

[terse idol]

It's because it seems like their attacks are just blenders with no time to dodge in their flurry

[late hatch]

dodge backwards and watch ragers just swing their full combo at the air

[terse idol]

And then you can only dodge the last chain in their flurry

[terse idol]

that's if they haven't connected

You'll have times where they start hitting you while you dodge back and block

And still get hit

[late hatch]

yes, so dont let them connect

[terse idol]

That's not this discussion

Yes

I can make it so ragers don't connect

Probably with dodging honestly

[white minnow]

there's massive lag compensation in your favor for the plogryn attacks in multiplayer games, and nothing needs to be said about the bonbon, so that leaves the cspawn

[terse idol]

But if they've already hit you, dodging seemingly cannot get you out again

You have to block

If you want a really wacky dodge discussion, Daemon host dodge

[polar kayak]

do you guys dodge + slide? this reminds me i need to request the keepsliding mod author to add slides in automatically

[terse idol]

Or... is it the same as a rager...

[white minnow]

i dodge-slide yeah though usually against ranged enemies

[late hatch]

dodging bon grab when you have the vom is wierd. i dodged it 3x in a row once. other times he grabbed me from like 5m away

[marble bridge]

yea slides are great because it literally just makes you immune to ranged attacks

[white minnow]

i only dodge-slide in other scenarios to move faster during a reload/psword activation or if I need the extra distance for a burster because of vet's slow consecutive dodge cooldown

[marble bridge]

gunner dr has even less value because of it

[terse idol]

hmmmmmmm

Not convinced about that lessened value

Can't always dodge slide

[junior needle]

Sprinting also does this

[marble bridge]

you should not be putting yourself into a situation where you are getting shot and cannot slide

[junior needle]

But to the sides

[marble bridge]

also why stripped down is fuckin bonkers

[late hatch]

only when you have stam

[terse idol]

I put this example before but

You know the carnival drop off

[junior needle]

Mhm, and also you don't need stripped down but it does make it easier

[white minnow]

though if it's ranged enemies, you're going to always have stamina up anyways

[terse idol]

Where you put the data interregator in

[marble bridge]

lol

[gaunt hinge]

fuckin dining hall ass area

[terse idol]

You can slide that, but you will get shot

[junior needle]

Yeah you can still get pinged between the slides

[terse idol]

Which I dooo think Gunner DR is still pretty good value

[marble bridge]

or you could just bring a columnus and kill them faster than they shoot you lol

[terse idol]

Slide dodging compliments it

[marble bridge]

like that room is literally just a gearcheck of can you kill gunners quickly

[terse idol]

Yeah kinda

But again

That means

Gunner DR with slide dodging just help one anotherr

[polar kayak]

maybe i’ll make a dumdum +stripped down CIAG :3

[marble bridge]

not really? if youve got a good build you dont need gunner dr

[terse idol]

hmmmmmm

Ehhhh

[marble bridge]

you just need iron will and shout for resistance and a reasonably ok rolled columnus

[white minnow]

gunner dr is nice so that i can dodge less since i can tank it for longer and have an easier time aiming

[terse idol]

There's cases where gunners who are on a second floor catwalk that will mulch you

[gaunt hinge]

simply take stamina regen and sprint cost reduc 🙂

[terse idol]

Look!

[late hatch]

im leaning more towards corruption res than any other atm

[terse idol]

Not everyone wants to run the most broken weapon in the game smh

yes

You can solve most problems in the game

With a colmunus

[terse idol]

gonna be my last argument for the night but

[marble bridge]

i have seen it done with plasma gun

[terse idol]

Corruption res on high level is useless 😌

The things that are killing you

[marble bridge]

and some chad knife zealot

[terse idol]

Isn't being 1hp on corruption

It's everything else

AND

Corruption resist doesn't even help you against wounds you take

I can see it being okay on like

Hunting grounds

Auric hunting grounds

But uh

[late hatch]

i disagree. often wipes happen when corruption starts to climb and you dont have a wound left

[terse idol]

Uh

Not for me

I run no wound curio's

No corruption res

[marble bridge]

wipes happen when i get netted once 👍

[terse idol]

What's killing me isn't taking corruption damage

Yes

[marble bridge]

randoms are not fun to play with

[terse idol]

When I get netted

And the flamers suddenly kinda

waltz out

To melt my face

[marble bridge]

i literally just do not play in randoms anymore

[terse idol]

Corruption resistance wouldn't have helped

Also!

Health stim

Has really made corruption resist abiit worse imo

[marble bridge]

+toughness or +toughness regen would probably help more since it helps prevent you getting there in the first place

[terse idol]

yeah, and you only have os many things that give you alot of corruption

Tox flamers... which do... more health damage than corruption damage

BON

Daemon hosts

[hard briar]

Random can be draining

[terse idol]

Dogs

Pack of dogs in hunting grounds

[late hatch]

silent bursters make corruption res more valuable though

[terse idol]

Poxwalkers

bursters do more health damage than corruption damage but sure

[marble bridge]

like corruption resist is maybe ok if youre gonna use purity zealot aura to stop it crossing a wound before it gets cleansed but like

[polar kayak]

how do i avoid playing with randoms >.>

[terse idol]

If pox bursters are your problem

Stack toughness

[marble bridge]

find people who are good at the game

[terse idol]

Hit VOC

Take 0 damage

[late hatch]

there is a mod, play solo only

[marble bridge]

dont get rewards for it tho

[terse idol]

Like unironically

[marble bridge]

is fin

fun

[terse idol]

You'd probably still have more value vs pox bursters

With +toughness extra on curios

SECOND

You'll probably only encounter a few silent pox bursters, and getting hit by more than 1 just means you'll drop dead by the 3rd

[marble bridge]

yea corruption resist wont save you there

[terse idol]

Ayy that's pretty good

[marble bridge]

maybe in twins hardmode? but like just build more cdr and stam stuff and then be done before you get corrupted

[terse idol]

In twins hardmode just run 3 Gunlugger Gryns

Like how much damage is the gas doing on Secret hardmode

If you can't get into the fan zone

[marble bridge]

i have yet to do it myself

[late hatch]

not everyone is great at the game and i like playing with my friends, even if some of them are pretty bad. elitists are cringe

[terse idol]

I dunnooo same problem as getting hit by multiple pox bursters

[terse idol]

I'm not being elitist 🥹

[marble bridge]

then play lower difficulties with your friends?

[terse idol]

I'm just giving you an argument of why corruption resist isn't goooooooood

[marble bridge]

or help them to get better at the game

[hard briar]

Dude, find friends. Play the diffy you guys can handle.
Find a modifier

[terse idol]

It's why we're having this discussion in the first place

[hard briar]

Or just enjoy getting rekt in maelstrom

It's a game, just have fun

[marble bridge]

or that

[late hatch]

damnation is as low as i go unless they are REALLY bad. i can carry damnation most times even if everyone else goes down

[terse idol]

I understand not everyone is great at the game, this is why we just try to stack the best thing for our own sake

Which... honestly stacking toughness hard to go wrong

😌

[marble bridge]

then if youre having fun who gives a shit what im saying or what anyone else is saying

just go have fun

[marble bridge]

lack of stam

[terse idol]

Yeah, I mean I hope I wasn't being elitist, it's just a genuine argument I find myself partaking

[late hatch]

i do have fun. when im not having fun playing a game i play another game or go work out or something

[terse idol]

Stacking stamina regen, can't go wrong 😌

[marble bridge]

yea

but just do 1 stam curio and then like

[terse idol]

I did, but I realy kinda thought about it and, eh, the safety net on toughness is spiicy

[marble bridge]

3 +5 toughness 3 +cdr and three stam regen

with 2 +17% tougness curio

[late hatch]

and my orginal statement was leaning towards corruption res over aother res, which you countered with toughness and regen, which are not res stats

but its allg

[terse idol]

I hit that, 3x toughness curio
2x gunner
1x sniper dr
3x stamina regen
3x toughness 😌

[marble bridge]

yea thats fair

[terse idol]

well

I would point if we're comparing res, to like

Just run gunner res

[marble bridge]

personally i think +toughness and whatnot is gonna do more overall than +res to anything

[terse idol]

And a sniper res

that will gain more value than corruption res in the long run

since heavy gunners are more common

and tend to chip away at health much more often than corruption will

[late hatch]

sniper res used to be super valuable, but these days snipers seem to just stare at the roof for 3 seconds while i have time to aim and shoot

[terse idol]

hmm

It seems like snipers once you learn how their AI work just kinda get floored

[eternal venture]

It's more of a safety net than anything

You don't actually get hit by snipers all THAT much

[terse idol]

I slow peek corners that I know have a sniper because I know they're gonna take 3 seconds to lock on me

Yeah

[eternal venture]

and the alternatives are just more niche or worse

[terse idol]

That's the word, a safety net

[eternal venture]

If burster resistance were a thing, I'd take it over sniper res any day

[terse idol]

The one time you don't see the sniper behind you

[marble bridge]

yea

[eternal venture]

because getting hit by multiple bursters throughout a match is far more likely to happen than getting sniped

and silent bursters are a thing

[raw steppe]

burster res is called hp

fyi

[marble bridge]

the most dangerous enemies are flamers and bombers

[terse idol]

Oh sorry

read it wrong

[eternal venture]

All good

If they rolled fire res into a generic stat

instead of splitting it between bomber res and tox flamer res for... some reason

that would also be an attractive option

[marble bridge]

ok arguably corr res will help against that

bursters that is

[eternal venture]

because it'd protect you against bombers, flamers, barrels

[terse idol]

Just build HP like Dis said

[hard briar]

Someone please tell me I'm not crazy

[eternal venture]

Having more HP will reduce the amount of health that gets filled up by corruption

[late hatch]

yeah idk why they did this. flame resistant clothes should work vs all fire

[marble bridge]

with corr res 3 bursters might just be barely enough to make you not go over a wound with 2 wound

[hard briar]

Wtf discord mobile

[marble bridge]

so instead youd just go down rather than corpse

[eternal venture]

200hp will make the burster fill up roughly one quarter of your total hp

[marble bridge]

yea

[terse idol]

I mean my honest answer for most people

Don't run without 1x wound curio

[eternal venture]

depending on how much toughness you have at the time of impact, if Iron Will is up, etc.

[late hatch]

when you cant use the correct word for something because it contains something some people are sensitive towards

[eternal venture]

flame redardent

[terse idol]

Just spelled it wrong

I did it too

"Sensitive towards"

Look

It's alright

[marble bridge]

to vaguely explain this: its partially because of the damage but also because it steals space

space is the most important thing to have in combat because with enough space you can do whatever

[eternal venture]

the area denial is the worst thing about fire

[terse idol]

Truue

[eternal venture]

(that and getting netted into it of course)

(or grabbed by a mutie on a fire puddle)

[marble bridge]

i can no hit a c.spawn with enough space (the whole psykanium) and tanner's literally fought over a hundred crushers at the same time in the same arena

[quick steeple]

its becase randos spamres while the dot is still there -_-

[marble bridge]

it only gets dangerous when you dont have space

[terse idol]

Well and Mr.Craime show cased psword 6 fighting like 30 ragers

[marble bridge]

yea

[terse idol]

Yes when you have an arena the size of the amphitheater, it's prettyyy easy

[marble bridge]

but any of those in a tiny space and 9/10 times youre just dead

also why airlock prep of grenades or flamer brace or trauma circle or whatever is important

if the door opens and theres a armour patrol, you wouldnt really have enough time to prep and throw a grenade after that, theyd already be in the airlock

but with prep grenades or trauma you just stun them immediately and still keep the space of the airlock and the area outside

[wanton dawn]

I don't use much space against the rager

[marble bridge]

yea, but if youre in a confined space and arent goated at the game it gets harder

[wanton dawn]

Then again, my stupid challenges are never representative of gameplay

[wanton dawn]

Also, i am not using shout or CK

Cuz soldier 69 said it made things too ez

It did take me 82 tries

[marble bridge]

yea thats the thing

if you had a full toolkit (shout and ck) and a fuck ton of space, it gets much easier

[wanton dawn]

Here for reference: #veteran-class message

[terse idol]

Honestly the tools make it easier to make wiggle eoom in tight space for sure

[terse idol]

No way

[wanton dawn]

I counted the video files

[terse idol]

[marble bridge]

ok this was fun im going to bed

[dusty sluice]

:D

this is what i always run on tghness curios too

[untold mulch]

I have dropped the 5% toughness for the stamina regen

[strange grove]

damn i normally don't call people out, but running ahead during a horde quite a ways to use medicae while we are all dying really got to me, then the dude died anyway from overhead

[nimble sentinel]

imma keep it 100 with y'all, I don't know shit about optimizing curios

I just run toughness health and stam with more dockets for the hadron gacha

[wanton dawn]

You cant go wrong with gunner resist and sniper resist

Then you have a lot of stuff that you can justify: just knowing that 99% of the time it is better to stack 3 of the same on each curios

Finally, we usually recommend to have at least 1 stam major and to phase out from wound

[nimble sentinel]

neither have been a problem for me

[wanton dawn]

That is besides the point though

[nimble sentinel]

I just like posting cringe you are dropping good advice

[wanton dawn]

both gunner resist and sniper resist are simply the most straightforward: they take an enemy class (or 2) and reduce their efficiency

Whereas other enemies resisted are not threatening because of damage

[nimble sentinel]

any perks that should be avoided other than exp?

[wanton dawn]

exp is useless, docket is not for combat efficiency, rez is probably not useful

thoughness regen is not great on vet

[nimble sentinel]

oh yeh I mentioned exp cause that's kinda obvi lol

probably should phase out my dockets I got plenty at the moment

[hard briar]

Me, having neither on either of my most played classes

https://tenor.com/view/chad-face-chad-shaking-head-no-boeshi-gif-27600815

[wanton dawn]

You can play 3 wounds in auric maelstrom. It will not prevent you from playing

Also not saying it is the best choice. Just that it is never a bad one

Though arguably, ogryn might ignore sniper resist. Bigger health pool and all

Also you should only take advice for ppl that might be a girl

[flat vessel]

anyone know what the prison guard is wearing trying to make him in game he stood out the most for me for some reason

[wanton dawn]

Looks good so far though

Probably not available IG

Vet cosmetics arent that "subtle" to begin with. Once you get "good" stuff it has paper insigna and stuff dangling around everywhere

[flat vessel]

yeah i hate that

[wanton dawn]

Have you tried the moebian top ?

[hard briar]

I run all hp + on my.ogg

Best sniper resist around

[wanton dawn]

Yes, but this is vet chat !

[wanton dawn]

Not the right one but right paldron

Congrats, you are now the traitor guard

Deepest lore

[flat vessel]

😥

[idle carbon]

far as I can tell, none of the regularly available vet stuff matches it exactly

[flat vessel]

yeah seems like it tryna find the closest one atleast

[nimble sentinel]

"LeTs ExEcUtE hIm NoW sO wE dOnT hAvE tO dO tHe PaPeRwOrK"
https://youtu.be/FnH6t_MdFNg?si=FGcjVP6xsuM42Wv2

[untold mulch]

Maybe they should have done that with Wolfe

[placid portal]

what in the

[hard briar]

Ogyrn Dragula Flow
Lil Uns looking Up At me , call me the HIMalayas

[placid portal]

ogryn working with Terran born guardsmen???

[flat vessel]

you think hes a knife guy or a shovel guy?

[hard briar]

The Rejects after completing their first assassination mission
"You see it? I really did this.
I'm really HIM."

[nimble sentinel]

me running 3 docket curios for months with no need to upgrade my goated MG IV

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/zip-bomb-apple-commercial-gif-26957924

[nimble sentinel]

for the volver fans

[placid portal]

The one guy that literally solo'd the boss while the team was killing mbos

[wanton dawn]

For a prison guard ? Hmmm

[hard briar]

The Rejects doing that Mission to get the fancy crystal.thingies
"Broke Boy tryna move on my Amazon Package."

[placid portal]

Claw mk1 guy

[wanton dawn]

I'd say shovel. That way he can hit fools and claim ignorance

[nimble sentinel]

Rejects the first week of stims being added

[flat vessel]

thanks for all your help idk why i let doing this roleplay characters

i like*

[agile yew]

Do Volley Fire penances get counted also with Executioner?

Also what skills to pick for Focus Target below it (3 options). Gonna do that penance too

[placid portal]

Target down best

5% stam toughness recovery per stack

always mark enemies with 2 stack no matter how fast you spam

more stacks is good since it recharges fast, useful on marking the first high priority target

[agile yew]

Ok ty

[untold mulch]

so comfy of a talent

[placid portal]

Unless you bind the mark to shoot

[untold mulch]

I curse whoever does that with a hundred silent poxbursters

at the most inconvenient time

[stone dome]

i just spam into the horde hoping to ping something

[untold mulch]

Yeah, I do the same just toi not get blindsided later

[nimble sentinel]

my double tag is "enemies spotted" specifically for this, very useful

no specials? at least we know where the horde is

[placid portal]

I only use that if I know where pox hunting grounds spawn

then throw a cheeky grenade in their spawn

[untold mulch]

My spam of tag is basically a

IS NOT ONE CRUSHER IS NOT ONLY ONE CRUSHER

[muted knot]

Shorty got a BBL, took that shit out cause she couldn't run

sorry for being late to the dracula flow posting

[crude ermine]

Even got an oversized Johnson

[placid portal]

usually when I see a crusher I always expect 5 other brothers

and his little mauler brother

[fiery plinth]

anyone rate this plas gun?

[proven oasis]

🤔 ive never used the plasma gun is it any good?

[nimble sentinel]

pretty heckin baller, someone else's gonna have to check the perks though

[zealous wyvern]

with my very limited understanding of plasma guns

i rate that plasma gun ok

[twin kettle]

Any good "Just spam recon lasgun on everything" build?

[serene bough]

No

Recon trash

[sharp ember]

if you can tolerate the firing sound bug, it’s one of the strongest guns in the game

only real downside is ammo economy

fast swap speed, pinpoint accurate, massive damage and cleave

magazine is big enough to last entire battles which is why there’s a overheat system

[proven oasis]

What bug would that be?

[sharp ember]

sometimes no sound will play but the shot will still go off

the gun still works but it can mess up your feeling of feedback

[fleet thicket]

@sharp ember this is worth having right?

[sharp ember]

very nice standard shovel

[fiery plinth]

Are you referring to the stream of plasma not firing but the ammo being used up and the gun hitting someone?

[twilit glacier]

https://youtu.be/WXY5mT8yqWk

[sharp ember]

yeah, for me it usually comes with no sound too

[proven oasis]

oh thats okey ;p

[dusty sluice]

i keep seing people using recon las with weird dump stats, what are the actual dump stats

still don't get why people even use it

[lilac eagle]

Cuse they like the pewpew

Astounds me that people don't consider we might have alternative preferences to just, 'whatevers meta'

[dusty sluice]

i mean recon is terrible currently

[lilac eagle]

Yes.

Does that change the fact people still enjoy using it?

Melee vet is objectively worse than zealot, yet people still play it

[dusty sluice]

if it makes the game harder for you and your team

[dusty sluice]

it can be better if done and played well

[lilac eagle]

Brother

A game is not a job.

[dusty sluice]

no way

[lilac eagle]

I am under zero obligation to 'contribute' to the team

[dusty sluice]

fair lmao

[lilac eagle]

Play the video game, have fun

Bring the gun that goes pewpew

[junior flint]

Why not gun that goes brrrr

[hidden summit]

I prefer gun that goes vvvvvrrrrrp!

[lilac eagle]

Personal fan of the BABBABBAB

[proven oasis]

FUNNY LASER GUN pew pew pew *click hiss * pew pew intensifies

[thick wolf]

melk thing

[crude ermine]

Melk is trying to tickle your feet with that don't buy it

[bitter turtle]

its not, actually

not disagreeing w/ play whatever to have fun

[lilac eagle]

I wouldn't bother explaining

[bitter turtle]

but yeah, melee vet is definitely not worse than zealot

[lilac eagle]

The simple fact that melee vet gets bodied by more than 1 rager is enough to make that build fairly uncompetitive.

Like I'll play it for fun

[bitter turtle]

sadly melee vet is better than ranged vet rn

[bitter turtle]

do you use psword/rashad?

[lilac eagle]

Psword yes.

[bitter turtle]

you shouldn't be bodied by ragers then

if your'e running optimal

[lilac eagle]

And yet I do

[bitter turtle]

also have voc

well

i hate to say but it may be

skissue

melee vet actually has more aspd buffs than zealot so you can push out more dmg

[lilac eagle]

Meanwhile I can literally solo maelstorm hordes of ragers on my zealot

[bitter turtle]

and psword is just a broken do everything weapon

[lilac eagle]

Not even trigger defy death

[bitter turtle]

i mean you might just not be as comfortable on melee vet

[eternal sable]

melee vet is better than melee zealot ey

classic

[bitter turtle]

didnt say better

[lilac eagle]

Its just damage + stun difference

[bitter turtle]

also melee vet can abuse bottomless revolver clip

[lilac eagle]

Zealot can effectively stunlock ragers and just murder them before they even start comboing

[eternal sable]

:3

[lilac eagle]

Meanwhile vet hits like a wet noodle

[eternal sable]

bottomless

i like that

[lilac eagle]

Ah yes the melee build that requires you use the revolver for anything vaguely spooky in melee

[bitter turtle]

i mean, u melee focus on that build, its not like zealots never use their gun either

[lilac eagle]

I forget I have a gun on zealot brother.

I use my tigris chainsword and thats it

[bitter turtle]

ok if ur metric is "you are never allowed to swap" then yeah ig melee vet is worse

[lilac eagle]

Evics + charge = unbeatable melee zealot

[bitter turtle]

since melee vet entire schtick is the swapping keystone for big buffs

[lilac eagle]

My metric isn't, 'you can't swap'

My metric is the melee build has to use MELEE for its damage

[bitter turtle]

you do though

[lilac eagle]

Not swap to a pistol when ragers come along

[bitter turtle]

u melee like 70% of the time

[lilac eagle]

If I play vet I'm using my las 80% of the mission

[bitter turtle]

there's a reason wep specialist melee buff is easier to build (1 kill for max buff) vs ranged buff (at least 3 for crit, 10 for rof)

[lilac eagle]

If somethings easier to do its typically the weaker choice

Skill shines through in those builds that require you land headspots

[idle swallow]

meta is just a sliding scale of risk to reward with most reward/least risk being the desired result

[bitter turtle]

not really

voc is the easier skill to use and also the stronger one atm

[lilac eagle]

VoC is preferrable in certain maps

Absolutely

[dusty sluice]

the new revi is bad but very fun

[lilac eagle]

But I'll never run it lmao

[dusty sluice]

waiting for a cleave buff to start using it

[serene bough]

melee vet can be pretty potent if you just follow the commando tree most of the way

[bitter turtle]

ya

idk where this melee vet weak thing comes from

its better than marksman vet

[serene bough]

bring a power sword and buff out your infiltrate will lead to massive damage

[bitter turtle]

has been since patch 13? 14?

forgot

since they buffed psword

[serene bough]

no idea, i havent used melee vet much

think 14

[idle swallow]

Thrust chaxe infil vet do be a favorite of mine for some missions

[serene bough]

theres a few melee combos that can work, but if were just talking raw damage output a powersword will finish a lot of things quick

[low yacht]

I want a poisoned knife.

Included a catachan blade but no poison for it.

[crude ermine]

They'd probably like that

[serene bough]

what would poison even do to nurgle cultists

[crude ermine]

LACERATE a blade with soap

[low yacht]

A lot

[untold mulch]

Soap melee when

[dusty sluice]

real?

[low yacht]

Call in Mr. Clean

The cult will be gone in hours.

[dusty sluice]

why does the new revi occasionally go full auto

[low yacht]

The what?

[serene bough]

a poison dagger would be kind of cool i guess

[low yacht]

What is a revi

[serene bough]

more DoT shenanigans

[dusty sluice]

new revolver

[serene bough]

revolver

[low yacht]

It's a semi-auto pistol.

[dusty sluice]

it turns full auto sometimes when fanning the hammer

[low yacht]

I think that is a feature

I could be wrong but I don't have this issue.

[dusty sluice]

just randomly happens when spam firing it sometimes

[bitter turtle]

just make it a flaming knife

or a bleedy knife

kinda weird to have a 3rd dot

[low yacht]

Bleed builds already exist

[dusty sluice]

dclaw should get knife blessings imo

[low yacht]

More knife blessings that are cool

Like poison effects

[bitter turtle]

no

i meant @ throwing knife

or something