Like with catachan swords and chain axes?
#veteran-class
stiff glacier
wanton dawn
unless you are god gamer he's better than you are
I can kill 150 crushers in a minute
checkmate
umbral scaffold
i can kill 151 in 30 seconds
wanton dawn
Prove it. I did like 30 minutes ago
white minnow
so i just assume that higher damage = good
terse idol
unless you are god gamer he's better than you are
Omegalul
wanton dawn
I literally posted the video 
terse idol
I'm sorry but
Tanner is just 1 guy
In a sea of multiple opinions
He's not a god
And he makes good and bad points all the time
He's a person
zealous wyvern
hes also an arrogant animal
shoulda seen him jump at the entire chat in here
for like no reason
wanton dawn
And FYI, I added that "title" cuz that how I was called after saying that shattering was not great on plasma
ebon umbra
mrcraime>tanner like 99% i promise you
zealous wyvern
probably good at the game but not worth listening to
idle swallow
NO you must either AGREE or DISAGREE with EVERYTHING they've EVER SAID 100% otherwise you're CRINGE
ebon umbra
he's not godly but it would be dumb to say tanner cant play lmao
terse idol
Some of his points are fine, you might not like him but
wanton dawn
Finally, and I have to say: I am absolutely terrible at this game
terse idol
He does some math too, not that like you should worship the ground he stands on
wanton dawn
And that's a fact
soft blade
he’s not an idiot but he’s insufferable
zealous wyvern
ye
and thats enough to not watch his videos
i can play the game just fine without youtubers holding my hand
terse idol
My infinite curiosity brings me to it
zealous wyvern
they would beg to differ of course
as far as they are concerned im but a troll
throwing games
they can kiss my bayonet if they dont like it
as in smooch it
soft blade
90% of his videos are useful info front loaded then it just devolves into ranting about reddit or something similar
zealous wyvern
this is not some weird youknowwhat
vernal harbor
NO you must either AGREE or DISAGREE with EVERYTHING they've EVER SAID 100% othe...
True
soft blade
vernal harbor
The video btw: 1202413667967049818
umbral scaffold
wanton dawn
Here ya go: #veteran-class message
tall torrent
Usually melee weapons within the same family don’t differ in raw numerical performance much and it’s the movesets that set them apart
white minnow
and usually it's obvious which attacks have different stats than another
terse idol
But suffice it to say, yeah I mean, MrCraime is credible, tanners a person boom that's the discussion
white minnow
e.g., an almost vertical strike usually differs from a more-horizontal attack
terse idol
white minnow
but this is not a necessarily consistent rule
trust nothing until you go into the meatgrinder and test it
tall torrent
Generally speaking though
For killing hordes the more horizontal attacks you have the better
For killing single targets the more overheads you have the better
wanton dawn
Please stop stroking my ego btw, I really dont need it
wanton dawn
If I get called out somewhere I will blame you all
wanton dawn
Thanks. I like myself too
zealous wyvern
the crown on your head sufficed
bitter turtle
unless you are god gamer he's better than you are
Wrong I have orange parses vs his greys
sonic marlin
second game with plasma went better
wanton dawn
Getting the hang of it ?
sonic marlin
Not sure I think I just had shit team mates
tiny summit
Well technically yea? A lot of weapons don't actually scale too hard off a 5-10% difference. There's also different stats that can be the dump over the dmg. But also for the baseline hardest difficulty of the game, no one needs godrolls. Dmg is just gooder.
wanton dawn
I mean, you did not had highest damage 
wanton dawn
Probably rounding
Idk, I don't have score on my own scoreboard
Deactivated it cuz it was distracting
sonic marlin
wdym distracting
wanton dawn
I mean it does not represent anything interesting to me
THe weight are all over the place
Why blocking increase defense score but not dodging ?
Why carried scripture give team score ?
sonic marlin
overall score is weird
tiny summit
Total and offense score is...idk "you did this many good boy points"
sonic marlin
but you can check individual stats and think what you want
wanton dawn
Sure, which is why i only kept stat and removed score
zealous wyvern
i like the total score
it feels good
i like numbers
but i dont have the mod because i cant be bothered to install it just for that
sonic marlin
i installed like 80 mods
zealous wyvern
i miss the after game score screen from vt2 though
i like "Looking back" to the mission together
idle swallow
If I ever download the scoreboard it's getting set to plasteel picked up and nothing else because thats the only metric I care about if we finished the mission
zealous wyvern
its only bad when ppl are bad people
sonic marlin
ok 54 mods
yeah ill probably tweak the settings even more but im keeping the mod
who cares about how many enemies did u stagger
why is it there
bitter turtle
Surge psykers
sonic marlin
also the game i posted with 196 score a guy triggered a demonhost after i told them its that way and i ended up killing it
but the guy died like 0.4s before so it didn't help him
finite imp
remember when machine pistol was good
zealous wyvern
-> instantly complains about teammate and makes fun of score
WAKE UP
this is exactly NOT what to do
late hatch
remember when machine pistol was good
it was pinning fire that was good, not the gun
keen sedge
yay or nay?
hollow ibex
yay or nay?
Yay
finite imp
zealous wyvern
best give it to me
finite imp
worth using?
sonic marlin
this is exactly NOT what to do
zealous wyvern
worth using?
how much does that ammo do?
because shredder is one of those weapons that need ammo
finite imp
how much does that ammo do?
i mean its machine pistol
zealous wyvern
like recons
fresh mango
whatre yalls thoughts on rampage vs slaughterer?
finite imp
it chews ammo
terse idol
i like "Looking back" to the mission together
I gotta say, green circles made me a little wacky
A little goofy
hollow ibex
Not really but you can rip the blessing for collection purposes
zealous wyvern
yeah so you really REALLY want ammo
keen sedge
best give it to me
does this mean good or bad 
zealous wyvern
recons and shredders NEED ammo
its part of why theyre so bad
apart from their dps not being that good i believe
so ammo as a dumpstat seems like a really bad idea to me but i dont actually know how many bullets it changes
if its like 20 who cares
terse idol
apart from their dps not being that good i believe
well it's mainly both
If it used alot of ammo but did alot of damage it's alright
it's like gunlugger Ogryn
You use a TON of ammo
But clear EVERYTHING
keen sedge
🔥
bitter turtle
Shredder just doesn't have a meaningful niche against ciag
Or any iag
Let you sprint and shoot maybe
For buff
That would b cool
finite imp
terse idol
the handle must put on more weight on that thing than the gun itself
It's prety neat though
finite imp
its for long walks on the beach
polar kayak
and fried chicken
keen sedge
this good or no?
hollow ibex
this good or no?
Worth rolling
Though personally I would wish for higher ammo
Still worth rolling though
sonic marlin
Can you somehow dmg yourself in meatgrinder?
rapid gate
bitter turtle
Can you somehow dmg yourself in meatgrinder?
Mods
rapid gate
should get it?
rapid gate
ok
bitter turtle
but 345 eh
Opposite actually
Stats ok blessings bad
Total stat doesn't mattwr
As long as the right ones dump
sonic marlin
you mean thermal res huh
bitter turtle
Charge rate doesn't matter anymore either
Blessing bad though
Shattering impact sucks
sonic marlin
people discussed it when i was asking about mine and first they said low is better for higher dmg buildup and then they said its better higher for something else
bitter turtle
Gloryhunter is ok but also tier 2 there so
sonic marlin
did people use to charge plasma?
sonic marlin
oh
stiff glacier
I wish smoke nades could be upgraded with the skill tree
sonic marlin
to do what
zealous wyvern
put out hostile fire
block sniper sight
restore toughness
its really easy to come up with stuff
although balancing it ofc is more difficult
tiny summit
Putting out fire would amazing
stiff glacier
Kickstart toughness regen would be nice too
For smoke
Like bardins ability in vermintide
Putting out flames would be cool too
To counter bombers spamming on downed teammates from behind sight blockers
tiny summit
They do need to give smoke something. Putting out fire would be immediate. For some players it probably usually looks like it's doing nothing but blocking their own sights
stiff glacier
Or maybe give stealth to teammate who enters it for like 3 seconds
Invisible ogryn just pouncing from smoke would be hilarious
tiny summit
Or maybe give stealth to teammate who enters it for like 3 seconds
Enemies like mutants, trappers and dogs like lose tracking in the smoke
I'll see them run into a corner basically fucking off and unaggroed after they ran through it
stiff glacier
If the smoke would stagger enemies when grenade goes off would also be helpful
tiny summit
But is that smoke working as intended or the AI bugging out with smoke
Smokes don't need to be shitty stun grenades from zealot
stiff glacier
Toughness regen or putting out fire would be my top 2
tiny summit
Frags are stagger and trash cleanup, krak are anti-armor and monstrosity, we don't need another stagger grenade
sonic marlin
someone probably knows this, whats the name of the color used for Toughness?
tiny summit
Imagine if the smoke did a dot
Death by vape
stiff glacier
Or turn it into drg like gas nade that can be set off by fire
tiny summit
Hotboxing the hive with this one
bitter turtle
And maybe when the smoke explodes it does an aoe stagger
And the dot has an even bigger range
bitter turtle
But that sounds too strong so remove the smoke invisibility
Wow sounds like a pretty good nade now
gusty bison
And maybe when the smoke explodes it does an aoe stagger
And remove the part where it blocks teammate sightlines. Instead make it an effect that sticks to the floor. Oh and lets make it yellow so its more obvious
bitter turtle
Wait no I was turning it into a frag nade damnit
stiff glacier
Just ability to put out fire would help a lot
gusty bison
Lel
But yea
Smoke nade regening toughness + putting out fires would be very good
Cos u wanna fight in the nade but bonbers will just wreck u
stiff glacier
Stop bomber from camping downed guy with smoke
gusty bison
Also make smokes explode on impact
crisp abyss
or it works like a somke bomb , ninja syle give stealth for 10 sec
gusty bison
how tf do you make shredda pistol work for vet?
You switch to zeal
In all seriousness
bitter turtle
You switch to zeal
It's not very good on zealot either
gusty bison
Infiltrate raking fire
placid portal
Infiltrate raking fire
+CQC drill and Suprise attack?
gusty bison
or it works like a somke bomb , ninja syle give stealth for 10 sec
Nah this would screw over allies too much
Alao thats just an ability
crisp abyss
yea but nades
placid portal
So 40%+ 30%+ 15% +Blaze Away/Powderburn/Pinning fire?
gusty bison
So 40%+ 30%+ 15% +Blaze Away/Powderburn/Pinning fire?
Yep
Then something like knife for ur melee
Since ur going that way might as well pick up agile engagement
Since u want serrated blade
gusty bison
gusty bison
Sounds like alot of point investment
Mostly cos mercy killwe is a drug
And if ur going right might as well commit to the bit
stiff glacier
Shredder just turns into elaborate stumble down tool so you get to melee without being shot. Or so i use it
gusty bison
Another option is this
Shredder is solid for keeping weapon spec going
Cos u can quick swap to it
Kill a trash mob with like 3 bullets
Swap back
And then u have smokes and infiltrate to go on elaborate deep dives and ass hunting
stiff glacier
Played today with shredder+chain axe
Need to optimize build bit more
Serated blade is bit wasted on chain axe
finite imp
Imagine if the smoke did a dot
please give smoke a smelling salts effect
faster attack, more damage whatever
it would add an entirely new dimension to smoke nades
stiff glacier
Lot of things could be done with it
hard briar
please give smoke a smelling salts effect
We can't do this, the Zealots would take them
idle swallow
more drugs yes commissar more drugs in my grenades
slow spade
Stims are perfect the way they are
frank basin
Taking game developer is hell of a job to listen players
slow spade
In fact we should have more stims
I want to make an eversor look well-adjusted in comparison
vernal harbor
we already brainstormed fent grenades
throw a couple of them bad boys at some heretics
tweak tf out
sonic marlin
with this crosshair hud it feels like i got more stuff on my screen than before
slow spade
with this crosshair hud it feels like i got more stuff on my screen than before
Got that Tzeentch foresight installed
vernal harbor
Shit what about truth bombs
sonic marlin
vernal harbor
Blows up and they get insight
slow spade
Blows up and they get insight
Insight received "there's a plasma bolt coming your way"
vernal harbor
Insight received "there's a plasma bolt coming your way"
slow spade
https://tenor.com/view/meme-vaporized-disintegrate-disintegration-no-fuck-off-gi...
The Nurgle experience since patch 13 UwU
vivid cloud
someone probably knows this, whats the name of the color used for Toughness?
i think its literally just ui_toughness
might be wrong tho
frank basin
someone probably knows this, whats the name of the color used for Toughness?
What mod?
wintry cove
crude ermine
You are forgiven
frank basin
Nurgle Baja Blast
crude fiber
how tf do you make shredda pistol work for vet?
get this, have onslaught
ive run out of things i want to try to god roll so i've resorted to buying all the armor
frank basin
You buying with real money?
serene bough
900hrs and I never even knew powderburn existed
hard briar
get this, have onslaught
Make a maelstrom showcase yt vod and I'll believe it
late hatch
get this, have onslaught
what build are you running it on? infil?
crude fiber
what build are you running it on? infil?
exec, ill send after this mission
broken crag
HAHA FUCKIN FINALLY
crude fiber
revive speed meta
sonic marlin
i think its literally just ui_toughness
yeah i found it later theres like 5 colors named toughness
frank basin
HAHA FUCKIN FINALLY
Lucky bastard
frank basin
yeah i found it later theres like 5 colors named toughness
What mod you using ui change color?
Oh
I thought you can change health color and ui
Like toughness and health bar
frank basin
What it is then?
sonic marlin
??
frank basin
For changing HUD color
sonic marlin
the mod i used makes ur stats near the crosshair
idk if theres a mod for the original look that changes colors
sonic marlin
yeah idk what are u saying lmao
sonic marlin
I thought it was the spider sense thingy
any mod that has color settings can use any color ingame
crude ermine
Ah
sonic marlin
i was just looking for the original toughness color since in the crosshair hud mod it was white as default
frank basin
yeah idk what are u saying lmao
I’m saying is there mod change hud color like health bar and toughness?
sonic marlin
If you want the original design thats in the left lower corner then idk lol
frank basin
Wydm
crude fiber
what build are you running it on? infil?
frank basin
I don’t get original design meaning too.
sonic marlin
I don’t get original design meaning too.
if you want ur hud like this then idk if there is a mod for changing colors, go look, if you want the crosshair HUD I have then yes you can change colors
frank basin
Alright
signal mango
What is the best two melee weapons that complement a Plasma?
I'm thinking something that's defensive or anti-horde
crude ermine
Powersword
stiff glacier
Devils claw
crude ermine
And Devil's claw for defense
signal mango
I got a powersword .. devilsword .. 4?
crude ermine
Yes
signal mango
I will try both out, thx.
naive aurora
Fatshark really hates broke bitches
Want cool cosmetics but DONT want to pay for um? well fuckkkk u
crude ermine
Take your broke ass BACK to the servitor bitch's WARES
Wish they did more with that spot
Instead of just selling reskin clothes
Maybe make it an archive of some sorts for certain outfits every 4 weeks for long armour from long ago
naive aurora
Something more then what it is now
I mean whats it been since the last free cosmetics dropped
like 6 months now?
naive aurora
D:
Bout every week they release a 30 dollar set though.
which just irks the shit out of me that they still haven't released new free cosmetics with the amount of payed for ones they have released
naive aurora
They do gotta give us some sort of option to earn the premium currency in game I feel...
also game related, but which plasma should I use buds
languid stump
Just figured out you can bayonet charge with the Mk II helbore
It makes your running speed a bit faster
naive aurora
out of all the guns special attacks. helbornes feels the most useless lmfao
so thats nice to know theirs SOMETHING more
vernal harbor
It’s got character tho can’t knock it for that
crude ermine
Surprisingly I'd say right despite the unarmored n stuff on the left, the stopping power differences is enough to show
naive aurora
Surprisingly I'd say right despite the unarmored n stuff on the left, the stoppi...
Stopping power pretty important? Feel like you just one shot everything before you get the chance to "stop" them
terse idol
Actually the funny part is, the Bayonett is one of the best melee weapons in the game
crude ermine
Stopping power pretty important? Feel like you just one shot everything before y...
That's true
terse idol
It even takes some melee weapon blessings
languid stump
The bayonet is comically overpowered
crude ermine
Forgot it's plasma we're talking abt
terse idol
Which is what makes it really goofy
languid stump
I built my helbore like this
tidal rapids
Time to start throwing your hard earned dockets at Brunt
crude ermine
Mk 3 really is the mk V dueling sword of bayonet
stiff glacier
I used it once or twice and then dropped it
terse idol
Brother get OBS
stiff glacier
Ive been on autogun train the whole time
terse idol
crude ermine
Augh I'm coughing like a BITCH
naive aurora
I don't think I've used a diff melee weapon then the power sword since basically early release
languid stump
The shovel is pretty strong actually
stiff glacier
I like swapping melees around
Ive only had bad string of luck with the folding shovel
naive aurora
I'll swap melees around on my zealot.. but usually I just end up shooting 9/10 times as vet
the new chainsword okay on vet?
terse idol
Ive only had bad string of luck with the folding shovel
Mk3 is very solid
stiff glacier
I just feel like i die with it against hordes
languid stump
What’s the best way to improve your critical strike chance
terse idol
Since many will stagger
terse idol
What’s the best way to improve your critical strike chance
through talents
And Weapon spec
😌
And some blessings
languid stump
Did you know most weapons are actually color coded?
stiff glacier
Altho i dont know if i want haymaker or flesh tearer on it
stiff glacier
My go to vet loadout has been revolvet plus mk 3 power sword
terse idol
I wouldn't swap perks to get crit chance is what I mean
languid stump
Nah I just wanted to show off my shovel
terse idol
Can you be a bit more specific
Well there's only a few talents that give you crit
Deadshot
And weapon spec
Alot of crit chance things exist on blessings themselves
Like Head taker
I mean
Head hunter
Or Surgical
Or Cruccian Roulette
stiff glacier
Roulette is great
terse idol
yeah, dpeends on the guun
stiff glacier
On revolver at least
rigid nimbus
...so first time typing smudge?
terse idol
on the agri yeah
rigid nimbus
:P
stiff glacier
Albeit toughness on kill is great too
languid stump
Oh yeah surgical exists
languid stump
I have surgical IV on autogun but not on the helbore
rigid nimbus
terse idol
languid stump
Is it just me or is the laspistol way better than the lasgun
rigid nimbus
Literally you
stiff glacier
I think i got surgical and crucian 4x and that thing fucking claps
3 tapping maulers
2 on crit
rigid nimbus
Yeah
crude ermine
What's wrong with this beaver
rigid nimbus
Have crit and utility
crude ermine
Why did it save as a gif
rigid nimbus
Crit blessing plus toughness blessing
Or crit blessing plus invulnerability to gunfire.
Surprisingly useful based on what build you run
terse idol
Yeah ghost is kinda sleeper champ
stiff glacier
I love killing crushers with 3/4 headshots
Saves kraks
I think with crit rolls i can 2 tap them potentially
rigid nimbus
Don't need to save grenades if you run regen 😎
stiff glacier
I do but 1 minute is long ass time
And i want every nade in my pouch when suprise chaos spawn cool aid's his way in
rigid nimbus
I do but 1 minute is long ass time
Average tiktok enjoyer
stiff glacier
Jokes on you i actually do have adhd. Not self proclamed tik tokker one tho
I want to try field improvisation one day
Regaining nades from little ammo boxes could be nice
stiff glacier
I just dont find usually room im my builds
rigid nimbus
There's always fat to trim
placid portal
Tac reload on shotguns are amazing
placid portal
Tbh at that point weapon specialist does it better
Or allows reload synergy
Since never empty you always get 20% reload
rigid nimbus
Should change your name to alwaysloading
placid portal
I have a history with this and im also lazy to change pfp and names
Been using this pfp forever
naive aurora
🍵
white minnow
i love weapon specialist for saving me a point compared to going through vanguard for tactical reload/OfB
lucid herald
What is the best melee weapon for toughness regen on veteran?
placid portal
Kill confirm + Toughness Replenshiment
timid otter
What is the best melee weapon for toughness regen on veteran?
Probably like power sword, devils claw generally speaking?
But it depends on the enemy that you are meleeing
Im just assumeing you want to farm hordes for toughness.
lucid herald
Im just assumeing you want to farm hordes for toughness.
yeah basically
veteran is the class I struggle with the most in melee
tall torrent
What is the best melee weapon for toughness regen on veteran?
Combat axe / power sword
Need brutal momentum
bright fjord
do infantry autoguns not cleave except agripina?
junior needle
do infantry autoguns not cleave except agripina?
Agri has more cleave but the others can too, you can check the values with this: https://dt.wartide.net/calc/
junior needle
Actually
Lemme test something
Because it says a graia iag and a 1a lasgun have the same cleave
You might need a certain minimum value to cleave at all, even if the target supposedly has less hit mass
hard onyx
I honestly find the graia works better in general from the perk that gives brittleness on hit plus crit buffs
with the right setup I've found it to be capable of killing 2/3 cara ogryns
with a single mag
plus staggering
junior needle
do infantry autoguns not cleave except agripina?
So it looks like you might need a bit of overshoot in the cleave value, unless gameslantern has the wrong hit mass values. Agri can pierce 2 poxwalkers, but graia can't despite having seemingly enough
It can pierce 2 groaners though
bright fjord
just wanted know whether it’s something dumb like the normal revolver but I guess not
junior needle
Na, best you'll get is 2 poxes at best on an IAG until power boosts come into play
Surprisingly the 1a can also pierce 2 groaners
near sable
bitter turtle
i never get tired of gunblade scoreboard
almost did more overkill than dmg
lul
soft blade
good lord
glacial yacht
whats gunblade
bright fjord
how do the headhunter autoguns compare to infantry lasguns? they seem like they both fill the same niche
bitter turtle
how do the headhunter autoguns compare to infantry lasguns? they seem like they ...
They are better imo
V3 and v7 at least
V7 hits one-shot bps much more easily than ilas and is more stable aim
V3 is basically an iag with more pinpoint accuracy but lower maniac
bitter turtle
whats gunblade
glacial yacht
this just caused more confusion
bitter turtle
this just caused more confusion
Helbore melee build basically lul
Spam bayonet into everything
glacial yacht
ah
frank basin
Spam bayonet into everything
Well can you crowd control it?
wanton dawn
Yup
bitter turtle
Well can you crowd control it?
Bayonet has an insane amount of stagger
One of the most among melee
hard briar
More than Ogyrn?
frank basin
Is the limbsplitter bug still working?
wanton dawn
You dont need block/push
wanton dawn
Is the limbsplitter bug still working?
No
frank basin
I see
bitter turtle
More than Ogyrn?
Not sure about ogryn but bayonet can charge headfirst into multiple ragers and come out on top
hard briar
Not sure about ogryn but bayonet can charge headfirst into multiple ragers and c...
I wonder if Ogyrn can still stagger lock all the Bosses
bitter turtle
Mauler is OK if you hit the flak body
hard briar
I mean, I'm certain with Rumbler they can but they used to be able to just punch Bosses in the head and they'd get staggered
wanton dawn
Bayo can os all trash, all special, 1/2 shot most elite
wanton dawn
Lemme check my vidjo
bitter turtle
Yes but they buffed it back in patch 13
frank basin
I see
bitter turtle
Then with the limbsplitter bug it was unironically like top 2 or 3 melee for vet
Then that got nerfed but it's still very good
Also you want to pair it with a melee weapon that has brutal momentum
The bayonet inherits bm
bitter turtle
Maybe, they didn't fix it when they did limbsplitter
So maybe they are OK with it
Or.maybe they dumb idk
wanton dawn
wanton dawn
Both would work
bitter turtle
The bayonets ar ethe same
frank basin
So mk3 has different swing pattern?
quick steeple
So mk3 has different swing pattern?
3 is a slower slice not stab ya.
bitter turtle
Considering the bayonet is the better part of the gun it really hurts it
frank basin
Aye
quick steeple
Considering the bayonet is the better part of the gun it really hurts it
...wait its a gun?
wanton dawn
It can kill sniper from range but you cannot throw it so... yes
bitter turtle
I basically just use the gun part like how u would use revolver in melee build
frank basin
Is mk1 and mk2 has same pattern bayonet attack?
bitter turtle
Just snipe specials you can't reach
bitter turtle
Is mk1 and mk2 has same pattern bayonet attack?
Yes
frank basin
Kk
sharp ember
mk3 should get an insta full charge shot after landing the bayonet swing
bitter turtle
As much as I would like to, sometimes you just can't bayonet charge a sniper on unpathable terrain lul
frank basin
Civil war mustache be looking
bitter turtle
Also I run infiltrate and close and kill aura
For 10 percent movespeed
For more efficient charging
spark helm
Zoom
wanton dawn
I run dmg aura voc with my bayonet
frank basin
Hi Keeykeion
spark helm
O/
bitter turtle
Voc is probably better tbh
wanton dawn
Never used speedy aura
bitter turtle
Saves you the trouble of swapping to push burster
quick steeple
i wait for the day wep spec can leverage the atk speed on bayo
wanton dawn
I like voc to kill boss easier
bitter turtle
Infil to gunner line and poke stab them to death
frank basin
Imagine stab poxburster with bayonet
wanton dawn
Imagine stab poxburster with bayonet
Yeah...
bitter turtle
I think speed aura is best pickup since u have to go to agile engagement anyway
quick steeple
I like voc to kill boss easier
i mean... when Psw VI is my BM gen bosses die too easily rn
sharp ember
yeah… imagine…
wanton dawn
I think speed aura is best pickup since u have to go to agile engagement anyway
The secret is i dont pick agile
I think its bait
bitter turtle
But gunblade styling
serene sage
https://i.gyazo.com/ab9ed5755ac5794a56446b86b6772351.png
what were your teammates doing?
frank basin
I think its bait <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
More of a gimmick?
candid vapor
bro I love helbore now
quick steeple
I think its bait <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
for hel ironically yea its not as beneficial as some are led to believe.
bitter turtle
what were your teammates doing?
The psyker was surge psyker at least
candid vapor
infinite ammo gun? Hell yeah
quick steeple
GREAT in some spec setups tho
wanton dawn
More of a gimmick?
A not reliable dmg increase while you already destroy most stuff in one stab. Also bad swap
bitter turtle
Fire team doesn't do much
frank basin
Hmmm
bitter turtle
A not reliable dmg increase while you already destroy most stuff in one stab. Al...
I don't run it for the bayonet tbh
I run it for the gun part
frank basin
It make me now not want helbore then
bitter turtle
To one-shot gunners
wanton dawn
Its part of my OS everything setup
bitter turtle
Mk2 can struggle a bit
quick steeple
MK2 is very roll restrictive ya
bitter turtle
Especially since I don't put unarmored on
wanton dawn
Well, i have unyielding maniac
frank basin
Flaniac cult
wanton dawn
Unyielding is for you know why
candid vapor
Some goober told me not to run stamina on helbore yesterday
Jokes on them, I can fix bayonets longer now
wanton dawn
Also work against ogryns
serene sage
mourning star looking weird :^)
bitter turtle
Don't reaper and bulwark already die fast
And crusher I just take the L and switch to rashad or sword admittedly
frank basin
What’s os?
quick steeple
one-shot
wanton dawn
Bone in french
frank basin
I see
bitter turtle
One-shot
quick steeple
breakpoint basically
frank basin
Why shorting oneshot
wanton dawn
Why shorting oneshot
Cuz mobile keyboard
bitter turtle
Gotta run over and grab that movespeed node too
wanton dawn
I also run out for blood + ck
Only ofb
frank basin
With IOS autocorrect
bitter turtle
wanton dawn
Well, you have time i dont have
frank basin
Hur hur I’m going sleep need without distraction
bitter turtle
I honestly think krak is worse than shredder even against crusher pack
quick steeple
going down right wasted imo, could have exploit weak for bigger poke problems/weakspot/deadshot etc lot of good trait potential
bitter turtle
going down right wasted imo, could have exploit weak for bigger poke problems/we...
Exploit weaknes sis useless unless I'm poking crushers
Even I'm not that mad
Don't need deadshot
wanton dawn
I took krak and hated it
It has niche use against bon
bitter turtle
I used to run onslaught with serrated blades actually
Lul
To poke crusher to death
But they nerfed that and it was kinda cope and still bad anyway
zealous wyvern
im sad now
wanton dawn
Also, you dont have nade regen anyway
quick steeple
onslaught needs a hose to be more fit ya
bitter turtle
onslaught needs a hose to be more fit ya
It worked
But
It was still faster just to switch to psword
zealous wyvern
but it was kinda busted
bitter turtle
And stab it lul
quick steeple
basically ya
bitter turtle
Like by far
wanton dawn
Yeah. Onslaugh is a bit overrated imo
quick steeple
exploit has a place in 1 of my psw setups but its not a mandatory take
frank basin
Yeah. Onslaugh is a bit overrated imo
Stills use on my brauto Graia
bitter turtle
U have to be using a weapon that is bad at melee crushers for it to do anything
Melee doesn't swing enough to proc onslaught meaningfully
wanton dawn
I dont use graia, idk
quick steeple
Stills use on my brauto Graia
i mean... thats a clear place for onslaught lol ya
wanton dawn
I use columnus though
bitter turtle
And the bleed dot takes long
frank basin
I use columnus though
You means IAG?
bitter turtle
It doesn't really make up for the low ttk
wanton dawn
You means IAG?
Yup
frank basin
Meta picker
bitter turtle
exploit has a place in 1 of my psw setups but its not a mandatory take
What is the setup
wanton dawn
Meta picker <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Ill show you meta 
bitter turtle
I can't imagine anything besides boss live long enough to proc exploit
Psword oneshots like everything
frank basin
the game ain’t spawn 150 crusher
wanton dawn
It does. With... lags
frank basin
But that something you would rely on demolition team when you spawn 150 crusher
quick steeple
Psword oneshots like everything
twins setup / a few memy wepspec setups not so much for ST but comfy horde + bigboy sweeps is all
wanton dawn
I can do it without bleed me think
frank basin
In game mission just be 6 crusher like
wanton dawn
Would be slower though
quick steeple
I can do it without bleed me think
with or w/o scatteshot buggy?
wanton dawn
with or w/o scatteshot buggy?
Am not doing it with so many it can freeze my screen
frank basin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1200772872273137694/w...
Webm not support on iOS
quick steeple
I can without, it is not the special sauce
oh for sure, jsut curious if it was part of the clip is all
wanton dawn
Well, when am trying dumb stuff i dont mind all the detail
I just wanted to kill 150 crushers in less than a minute
quick steeple
lol
wanton dawn
I had forgot that demo proc on elite
frank basin
All that gpu is wearing away
quick steeple
might be able to do faster with some zealot skullcrusher shenanigans
frank basin
might be able to do faster with some zealot skullcrusher shenanigans
Using crusher on crusher?
quick steeple
Using crusher on crusher?
on crusher always, but doesnt rly matter what melee if using for stagger buff memes alone
wanton dawn
What i like the most on the video is when i got hit and instantly went back to full yellow
About 22s in
frank basin
Try 150 mutant
zealous wyvern
It doesn't really make up for the low ttk
it was great when you are not playing meta melee
i have touched powersword twice
dont find it fun
wanton dawn
Try 150 mutant
Errr, it would just be annoying though
bitter turtle
it was great when you are not playing meta melee
Like what though
I don't actually use sword much
quick steeple
is pretty brainded once you add the combo ya
frank basin
Errr, it would just be annoying though
I tried like 20 mutant as psyker is painful to dodge.
frank basin
Smite helped me temporary
bitter turtle
And still mediocre in the end
wanton dawn
I tried like 20 mutant as psyker is painful to dodge.
Well ill try 20 later
Probably easy with bayo
bitter turtle
I wouldn't use it on a shovel either at least
quick steeple
I wouldn't use it on a shovel either at least
use what
bitter turtle
And it felt rather underwhelming with bayo
quick steeple
ahh nvm caught up
quick steeple
ya nah
wanton dawn
Bleed doesnt proc onslaught
bitter turtle
When it did before
I mean
I was saying how I ran it before to see if I could depend on bayonet for crusher
frank basin
I use debuff indicator show their debuff
wanton dawn
Bleed does proc thunderous
bitter turtle
Which it like kinda worked ish but was still really slow
quick steeple
Serrated might be good on thunderous melee
yea but.. at that point if its a break maker ExplWk would do the same while savingyou those pts/better melee perk
shadow aurora
Veterans im making a new stealth build. Im using lawbringer for my current one but i want some variation. What should i use? Dont care about viability.
wanton dawn
yea but.. at that point if its a break maker ExplWk would do the same while savi...
Serrated would give you full stack faster
Also exploit weakness is on crit and thunderous is on slowish weapon
bitter turtle
V7 would enjoy infil a lot but be prepared to give up something on the tree
hard briar
Veterans im making a new stealth build. Im using lawbringer for my current one b...
Use the autopistol
bitter turtle
Probably have to drop keystone
shadow aurora
Use the autopistol
Bet
quick steeple
^im with queen lol
hard briar
quick steeple
fun memes all around
zealous wyvern
Like what though
bayonet shovel tacaxe devils claw if you dont parry overhead
frank basin
wanton dawn
So basically, serrated might actually help if you need more than 1 hit to kill
Might bring a 3 shot to 2
frank basin
Serrated blade knife
wanton dawn
I am saying serrated thunderous
frank basin
I’m thinking DClaw with shred and exploit weakness
near sable
I love shred
frank basin
Combine onslaught
bitter turtle
Resetting on miss is 😔
near sable
Crits make a good noise
bitter turtle
does uncanny still carry though bayo stab
You mean if you stacked it first on the other wep?
No idea if that's what u mean
sharp ember
i believe no
frank basin
Sleep time
quick steeple
i mean whether bayo inherits the blessing like BM
bitter turtle
Oh
sharp ember
definitely not
bitter turtle
I don't think it ever inherited uncanny
Limb and BM and one other very niche one, I forgot
Was all I seen
quick steeple
could try after this match idr, weird shit inherits it but the proc is what im interested in
and limb is patched now ya
bitter turtle
Speaking of autopistol
I wish it had run and gun
To hipfire while sprinting
That would be fun
zealous wyvern
it should
i dont know why it doesnt
one of the most famous machine pistols is the mp40
and thats literally called stormrifle so its stupid that you cant fire while storming a place
thats the point
at least an option
late hatch
Well that would make too much sense. better to put it on weapons that dont work with it as a dud blessing to dilute the pool
sharp ember
i wish run n gun let you reload while sprinting
now that would be fun for being fast and aggressive
hard briar
one of the most famous machine pistols is the mp40
Wasn't that a submachine gun
zealous wyvern
yes
no
yes
machine pistols and submachineguns are
like
kinda the same thing
and in german, its just machine pistol for all of them i think
machine pistols use a pistol frame
while smg use a short rifleframe with pustol caliber
hard briar
I mean there is a distinction but it's more like...
How a bradley, despite having a canon, tracks, and armor is not a tank.
But an Abrams is a tank.
zealous wyvern
carbines with pistol ammo
point is
shredder is like the mp40
fires fast shoot small
late hatch
im not completely sure, and there may be exceptions, but i think the diff is in the receiver. machine pistols use a pistol receiver where an smg is more like a rifle with a forward mag and such
near sable
im not completely sure, and there may be exceptions, but i think the diff is in ...
the mp40's forward magazine:
zealous wyvern
but if the mp40 was a submachinegun then so is the shredder and they still should be able to run
zealous wyvern
mp40 is called mp in german
near sable
it's hideous
zealous wyvern
machine pistol
sharp ember
potato tomato
near sable
I blame Mauser for this
hard briar
Grease Gun better
zealous wyvern
i still think the term is interchangeable
muted knot
it's hideous
Schweig still, ketzer
hard briar
The term "submachine gun" usually refers to magazine-fed, fully automatic carbines designed to fire pistol cartridges, while the term "machine pistol" usually refers to a fully automatic handgun based weapons. However, many weapons fall into both categories.
Courtesy of google
zealous wyvern
yeah
late hatch
i still think the term is interchangeable
nek minnit some gun neckbeard comes in "WELL ACKSUALLY"
zealous wyvern
thats what i said
near sable
the arbitrator of the peace
zealous wyvern
no
that is definitely not the case
even i know semi auto pistols can have a stock
late hatch
the ejection port location is probably the easiest way for a layperson to tell the diff
zealous wyvern
and smgs can be done without stock
hard briar
even i know semi auto pistols can have a stock
But they aren't full auto
zealous wyvern
point is stock means nothing
near sable
c96 is a pistol with a stock that is also a machinepistol
zealous wyvern
stock can be put on anything
or taken away
if youre crazy enough or need it concealed
late hatch
hard briar
c96 is a pistol with a stock that is also a machinepistol
The c96 was full auto?
hard briar
https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2F...
Is this full auto? If yes, this is an smg
zealous wyvern
no
hard briar
Yes
zealous wyvern
its a machine pistol
late hatch
Is this full auto? If yes, this is an smg
this is a glock 19c, it is a full auto machine pistol
hard briar
It's an smg
muted knot
Ah yes semantics
hard briar
this is a glock 19c, it is a full auto machine pistol
So it's an smg
zealous wyvern
no cmon
near sable
There was an iteration of the C96 that was toying with full auto
hard briar
An smg
hard briar
It's a machine pistol with a stock, so its an smg
zealous wyvern
no
hard briar
Yes
near sable
iirc it's the M712 variant
near sable
the c96 only eats stripper clips, whereas the m712 uses now contemporaneous box magazines
wise fossil
Hmmm... to keep elites or specialists
near sable
sir that's a 380, you gotta do everything in your power for the 4x4
you could turn it into the anti shocktroop gauntlet gun with flak
or fence sit and go for maniacs
late hatch
keep spec imo
muted knot
Yeah keep spec for the 550
Is flak really worth it on the graia?
It's not like you're gonna hit any big breakpoints
marble bridge
saved ammo is saved ammo
late hatch
take down maulers faster with body shots. also gunners and shotgunners are flak yeah?
marble bridge
yes
raw steppe
flak maniac is always useful if you're trying to make the gun the most useful
against everything
it becomes less useful if your weapon is more specialized
raw steppe
Hmmm... to keep elites or specialists
i'd keep elites
just to have better matchup against gunners and ragers
quick steeple
2nd on elites. more use case
wise fossil
Is flak really worth it on the graia?
seems like it is?
wise fossil
take down maulers faster with body shots. also gunners and shotgunners are flak ...
scab ones are yeah
marble bridge
dreh ragers/gunners die like way faster than the flak versions
dreh gunner is un armoured on head and ragers are just kinda weak because no armour
wise fossil
I think I'll keep specialists just because I need all flamers to die yesterday
raw steppe
Flak covers most of that besides dreg ragers 🤔
did you know
that if you have 2 things
that both work for something
they stack
wise fossil
whoa
raw steppe
marble bridge
no way different bonuses stack?