Hey what's the best normal rifle for vet that's not boltor/plasma gun?
Braced autogun?
#veteran-class
novel stone
junior needle
Brautos are more like lmg's, not exactly a regular rifle
crude fiber
i run uncanny and decimator with maniac and flak. could swap flak for unyielding or even carapace since you have uncanny
junior needle
iag's would be what you're looking for
On that end ciag is the highest dps automatic in the game
novel stone
Brautos are more like lmg's, not exactly a regular rifle
I just meant bullet gun that's not one of those 2
tall torrent
They should just combine falter & no respite into a single blessing
And change falter from weakpoint proc to any hit proc
novel stone
I've used brauto before and liked it but got hooked on plasma
crude fiber
the 3 shot headhunter is pretty good too
junior needle
I just meant bullet gun that's not one of those 2
2a revolver is an amazing boolet gun, vraks 7 is pretty good but overshadowed by revolver/plasma, ciag as mentioned. Brautos can feel nice to use but they have some usability issues at longer ranges
Yeah vraks 3 is great too
novel stone
Vraks 3 was my favorite for a while but felt underperformed
What blessing would I want on it?
junior needle
headhunter/deadly
novel stone
Got it thanks homies, maybe going back to my roots is the right choice
junior needle
Due to some mechanical peculiarities it has unique synergy with the HH blessing
hard briar
novel stone
Are you a girl
hard briar
Plasma is great
novel stone
Word
hard briar
hard briar
I'm not a girl, read the sign
novel stone
What
junior needle
Are you a grill
novel stone
Anyways I'm out, thx foe the help @junior needle
hard briar
I'm tagging a mod
crude fiber
headhunter guns do suffer against maniac enemies unless you do the deadly accurate crit build
novel stone
hard briar
near sable
novel stone
I just did
hard briar
I'm making a meme to SHAME YOU
novel stone
That was the joke
serene sage
no but why announce it here that you are dming queen
novel stone
I'm making a meme to SHAME YOU
serene sage
oh inside joke nvm
novel stone
No not reallt
hard briar
IM DEPICTING YOU AS THE SOYJAK
novel stone
I'm just goofing
hard briar
AND ME AS THE CHAD
serene sage
excellent lol
junior needle
Will the mk3 hold up in auric stuff ? I assume so <@161941113240813569>
Yes, you can get some quite nasty damage as long as you click heads. I recommend taking rending strikes as well if you aren't already, HH's have shit modifiers to maniac and it also lets you can open carapace more.
junior needle
Oh no, definitely not carapace.
hard briar
Totes
junior needle
Hmm, let me do some digging
junior needle
I vaguely remember it needing unarmored to one burst dreg shooters in the chest
hard briar
But I'm probably wrong
junior needle
It used to not but the health of enemies got adjusted at some point
novel stone
I miss my perfect plasma on my old vet
Had gets hot/blaze away and perfect refines
Deleted my first vet for a new ogryn named "young-sheldon"
zealous wyvern
no
hard briar
He had to go
hard briar
Because it's aweful
zealous wyvern
you wouldnt last a week in the Cadians
hard briar
Rambling in about a planet of failures who failed their duty
zealous wyvern
wrong
hard briar
you wouldnt last a week in the Cadians
Neither did most Cadians
zealous wyvern
i think the point is that youre a veteran
hard briar
zealous wyvern
the supposed elite of guardsmen
hard briar
Nah that's the Scions
hard briar
I dug shitters for the Scions
novel stone
I made a new vet for new name AND the cadian voice
zealous wyvern
dont get stuck in semantics
novel stone
Pussy
hard briar
I made a new vet for new name AND the cadian voice
Aweful
zealous wyvern
good man
novel stone
Fat
hard briar
Ugly
novel stone
Nerd
hard briar
zealous wyvern
i only have female cadian
hard briar
This u
novel stone
Chud
hard briar
Soyjak
novel stone
Femboy
hard briar
Not true
zealous wyvern
because all of the media i saw about cadians had a woman as the focus
hard briar
Untrue
novel stone
because all of the media i saw about cadians had a woman as the focus
Mines male
zealous wyvern
so i made mine that char
novel stone
Use the scion helmet and he sounds sick
zealous wyvern
obviously untrue i meant the media i saw
cadia stands from warhammer tv and the novel Krieg
novel stone
I liked the cadian voice because he's loud like me , so he's probably how I'd be if I was a vet
junior needle
So should the refines be carapace armored and maniac ?
The search function isn't giving me a good answer but wartide says you can reduce bursts needed with crit/weakspot to 1 from 2 with unarmored for dreg shooters.
You can probably get it down to 1 burst on a headshot with unarmored fairly easily with tree damage.
I'd say tentatively flak/unarmored for now
novel stone
Yeah was thinking weakspot damage
zealous wyvern
both times its a shorthaired tanned woman so that is now what i think of when hearing cadia
novel stone
And flak
junior needle
Yeah was thinking weakspot damage
Oh no, you don't want weakspot damage perks.
zealous wyvern
refreshing tbh
novel stone
both times its a shorthaired tanned woman so that is now what i think of when he...
Mmmmmm casca
junior needle
Crit/weakspot damage work in a dumb way in this game
junior needle
And only apply to the bonus damage
novel stone
How explain
junior needle
So if you hit for 100 normally, and you crit for 110
novel stone
Crit/weakspot damage work in a dumb way in this game
I mean I figured but still how
junior needle
It's really stoopid
junior needle
weakspot damage works the same way
frank ether
Crit/weakspot damage work in a dumb way in this game
I mean it wouldnt matter if the perks had better numbers on them
I wouldn't scoff at %25 weakspot damage
but %8-10 is like.. joever
even on finesse guns
junior needle
It'd be better at least, since it's omni targeted
frank ether
yeah you could justify it on its general usefulness
junior needle
It'd still be a stupid way of doing these stats though
They should fix that like with rending
frank ether
but the current system of crafting is just there to be a timesink
junior needle
and make it not dumb
frank ether
not to give you meaningful choices
a system offering meaningful choices wouldn't be rng based to begin with lmao
frank ether
They should fix that like with rending
maybe they will at some point but till then I'll consider weakspot as a brick perk
tiny summit
It's funny to stunlock maulers at range
novel stone
Welp Time to go try to get a fuckton of plasteel
Found a great vraks m3 so gonna hope i can make it work
novel stone
I like 3 more
Which sucks cause 6 looks cooler
I think when it comes down to which MK is better its usually preferance
crude fiber
It's funny to stunlock maulers at range
i think you can do that regardless
junior needle
Which combat knife is better
if you plan to light attack mostly, 3 is objectively better as the cleave values are the same but the 3rd light of the 3 has more damage
unreal bone
I intend to lighjt spam ty
candid vapor
best braced autogun?
junior needle
Agri is generally considered the best, but graia isn't a slouch now if you want to actually brace
candid vapor
do you not brace with it?
junior needle
Agri is strangely very accurate in short hipfired bursts
Less great when braced, although you still brace (and crouch, and stand still) for super long range targets
candid vapor
what benefit does a braced have over an infantry?
junior needle
Better hipfire generally, and more target pen. IAG's are generally better overall though.
Different playstyles ultimately
novel stone
what benefit does a braced have over an infantry?
Agri
junior needle
Iag's are precision weapons where you want to aim and brautos are "spray in that general direction"
junior needle
Spawns flak enemies in your path
Psh, nothin personnel
open flax
are plas good or bad right now?
zealous wyvern
*Spawns flak enemies in your path*
Psh, nothin personnel
just spam on vaguely headlevel
easy
hollow ibex
are plas good or bad right now?
plasma?
open flax
yee
open flax
okie i started a vet recently and have been enjoying it since its the closest thing ive seen to fire mage sniper bolt from vermintide
midnight totem
near sable
more often than I like I consider making the forbidden fourth veteran
need boltpistol
need commissar to scream VICTORY OR DEATH every horde
junior needle
need boltpistol
We already have boltpistol, it's called zarona revolver
woven tide
Glory to the first man that dies
near sable
It is not the same and you should be blammed for merely suggesting it is
junior needle
You're right, it's better
junior needle
But yes they should add more weapons
Also volleyguns
They are LITERALLY in the game already
near sable
I guess it has to fit weapon niches
although a plasma gun but no bolt pistol makes me seethe
open flax
need more mk of plasma
also why did they decide to make plasma a penentration weapon instead of an explosive one?
open flax
like most depictions of plasma is as a variant grenade launcher why make it different here?
hard briar
need more mk of plasma
Burst fire Plasma
open flax
yessss
zealous wyvern
variant grenade launch?
zealous wyvern
ive never heard of plasma guns use indirect fire and deal blast damage
hard briar
just melta
For Zealots
zealous wyvern
no
hard briar
No
zealous wyvern
why only zealot
open flax
thats the variant part. they are straight shot instead of arc
hard briar
Actually
zealous wyvern
why
terse idol
Why not both
hard briar
Fuck you give it to Ogyrn
hard briar
Ogyrns deserve more guns
zealous wyvern
ffs
terse idol
zealous wyvern
are you the damn reason
hard briar
Yea
terse idol
Ogryns deserve not to be shafted via cosmetics ffrfr
zealous wyvern
i do NOT care
wanton dawn
Chat moving too quickly rn, cant follow 
zealous wyvern
it works with 2 trees
the only tree its bad with is left tree
i dont see the problem
zealous wyvern
yes
hard briar
I'm God's favorite Princess and yea I'm gatekeep,girl bossing, and gaslighting all the weapons into their categories
zealous wyvern
whyn
not
terse idol
You know the crit
Is only on the first shot
1 crit on the first tick of the flamer
hard briar
Actually if we get a Flamer
zealous wyvern
oh and zealot doesnt have crit talents?
hard briar
Let it be a Heavy Flamer
zealous wyvern
really?
hard briar
So we get a BIG BACKPACK + Tanks
If it doesnt come with a big fuckall tank, I don't want it
Same thing with the Volleyguns
open flax
then any melee attacks from behind one shot y ou and the room XD
terse idol
oh and zealot doesnt have crit talents?
They have a talent that's inverse to longshot
AND
wanton dawn
They have a talent that's inverse to longshot
Short stack ?
zealous wyvern
whatever id just run it on melee vet
hard briar
I want a massive Hose attached to my Volleygun and a Big fucking battery
terse idol
Short stack ?
hard briar
On my back
terse idol
Like I get it Korpmen
zealous wyvern
we could absolutely bring a flamer and win
terse idol
I just don't think flamer would fiit
hard briar
Give the Ogyrn the Lascannom already
zealous wyvern
fk this
terse idol
Not all guardsmen get flamers
zealous wyvern
man
wanton dawn
Plasma rn is great on melee vet
zealous wyvern
i know
hard briar
Mg1200 Kantrael Lascannon for Ogyrn
zealous wyvern
obviously
hard briar
MG100a Lascannon for Ogyrn
terse idol
Me as I complain 100 times
I mean, it's less of a gameplay argument and more of a inuniverse argument
Which is fine
hard briar
And the Mg400 Lascannon
open flax
what about rocket launchers? why dont we have any of those?
hard briar
terse idol
Gameplay wise, I'm simply not convinced
zealous wyvern
8t really gets me going
hard briar
what about rocket launchers? why dont we have any of those?
Too complicated
terse idol
i hate not being able to bring that iconic weapon
Lasgun' and pgun is just more iconic imo
Shovel
Too
hard briar
Give the Ogyrns Lightning Xlaws
Actually give everyone Lightning Claws
Just different patterns
XD
wanton dawn
Give commlink
terse idol
Like the first few things you think about when you imagine a guardsmen isn't a flamer
I'd say as much
It's a lasgun
wanton dawn
Like the first few things you think about when you imagine a guardsmen isn't a f...
A dead body ?
near sable
everyone's a walking corpse in 40k, some more literally than others
terse idol
Naw, when I look at that artwork I imagine those guardsmen winning
hard briar
When I imagine an Ogyrn I imagine a wall of muscle ragdolling a terminator with a pinky flick
terse idol
Not the guy getting shot in the face
wanton dawn
When i imagine a zealot i imagine a raging hobbo
terse idol
hard briar
When i imagine a zealot i imagine a raging hobbo
Fatshark hit this on the head
terse idol
It's like when I think of Catachan I think of
near sable
When I imagine an Ogyrn I imagine a wall of muscle ragdolling a terminator with ...
with the source sound effects of the terminator clipping through the floor?
terse idol
hard briar
It's a shame it took this long for them to add the crack
hard briar
with the source sound effects of the terminator clipping through the floor?
And the pipe sound effect
near sable
surely
wanton dawn
Pippin' hot
agile yew
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b347e6e-703b-4ddc-be39-b3f8d1f3e7e3/tanners-try-hard-vet-build how you like it?
wanton dawn
Oh lord it is a tanner build 
terse idol
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b347e6e-703b-4ddc-be39-b3f8d1f3e7e3/ta...
Well looks like a columnus build
wanton dawn
Its... fine i guess
tiny summit
I mean its not that he's bad, just an annoying ego
much so that the less I have to hear about them the better
agile yew
+50% ranged suppression actually good pick?
wanton dawn
Its... fine
hard briar
Imo, who cares. Suppression is shit
terse idol
I don't think combat ability regen is that good
agile yew
Also crit damage on knife? Isnt that like one of the worst picks?
terse idol
Well, tanner makes points about suppression, I don't personally believe in suppression but
Its okay
wanton dawn
Also crit damage on knife? Isnt that like one of the worst picks?
Nobody play enough knife to know
hard briar
Well, tanner makes points about suppression, I don't personally believe in suppr...
What point is there to make?
"Bro if I can stop them from shooting"
You know what else stops them from shooting?
FUCKING KILLING THEM
tiny summit
combat ability regen is...eh because its only 4-12% when tactical awareness is available but I dont judge curio perks because they are all inconsequential
hard briar
Suppress their souls
wanton dawn
What point is there to make?
Its amazing and in 2 years ppl will look back and say we were naab for not seeing it
terse idol
There is a fine argument to say that, rooms with sparce shooters can make weapons like the columnus or the pgun struggle because you're getting shot by 6 or 7 guys at once
wanton dawn
Was its point
hard briar
There is a fine argument to say that, rooms with sparce shooters can make weapon...
Sounds like a skill issue
terse idol
But they're both far enough away that you can't penetrate them with the pgun
hard briar
6 or 7 guys, in this toughness ecknomy?
agile yew
Is that +50% suppression talent enough to make many of the scarce shooters cover?
terse idol
But close enough that suppression would do it
hard briar
What are you...broke?
terse idol
6 or 7 guys, in this toughness ecknomy?
I mean how about 12
hard briar
I mean how about 12
Hear me out
terse idol
There's many times you round a large room and there's sparce shooters chipping you away
hard briar
What if I didn't troll myself with Dogshit columnus
tiny summit
if theres a room of gunners and you're the only one dealing with ranged, suppression isnt a bad mechanic if you can stop several in the room from shooting at once
hard briar
And used this crazy thing called an Agri Brauto
wanton dawn
In any case, interaction with him on this discord were tense at best
terse idol
I mean at least stripped down makes sense in these scenerios
hard briar
I'd rather die
hard briar
Columnus is still most op
terse idol
Again at the end of the day it is mostly opinions
hard briar
Suppression is shit
terse idol
agile yew
Running also Uncanny+Precog on my Knife, but thats because its Zealot meta i picked starting with that class
hard briar
It's not an opinion it's a fact
wanton dawn
And i think most ppl here dont think he is good enough to be a hardass about it
rigid pilot
Agri brauto isn't that hot honestly
hard briar
It can help elivate damage
Who is hurting you
rigid pilot
Unless you run it with exe lol
terse idol
The 12 or 15 gunners in the room
hard briar
Agri brauto isn't that hot honestly
There isn't a room I can't kill someone with it and yea why wouldn't u run exe with a brauto
terse idol
I run MF lasgun for this exact reason
hard briar
The 12 or 15 gunners in the room
They're hurting you?
terse idol
So I can pinpoint and take out these exact rooms
No
Because I got 10 stacks of mf
rigid pilot
I tried to use it with my melee vet build, it wasn't too great
hard briar
A fucking pysker with his monitor off?
terse idol
Look, even with VOC sometimes these types of rooms will chip away, because you don't get CK
Which means you don't gain toughness back
rigid pilot
With exe it alleviates its accuracy and damage issues
terse idol
Or VOC cooldown
hard briar
... I don't play with ck, I don't have these issues...but then again. PLASMA is just that good
terse idol
Because that room in particular only has regular shooters
Hey man, I'm just trying to defend a point
hard briar
It's bad
wanton dawn
There are some room in some map where gunner/shooter are an issue
hard briar
There are some room in some map where gunner/shooter are an issue
It's the damn unending hordes of melee with bomber trappers that get me
terse idol
I mean in those particular maps, guns like the ia lasgun do shine
hard briar
Especially these new stealth trappers
terse idol
At least to help until the zealot goes in
hard briar
And the audio muting bug on Plasma
hard briar
The audio muting is w/e imo
I can't hear shit
novel stone
And the audio muting bug on Plasma
So annoying
hard briar
Like the mutant
tiny summit
fuller auto when braced
wanton dawn
Eeeh
rigid pilot
Poo
novel stone
Sucks
wanton dawn
Worse than ciags or agri brauto
rigid pilot
Stripped down babyyy
rigid pilot
Idk if it's still bugged
If you combine with vet +stamina on dodge
You get unlimited stamina and unlimited stripped down
woven tide
Still works
novel stone
Sick
rigid pilot
Lmao ez game
hard briar
It's an intended mechanic
rigid pilot
Isit though
wanton dawn
Yeah but only when running, aka not shooting
rigid pilot
Yea but overpressure also not affect burn dot is from day1
woven tide
Based on how it functions, it technically is intended
rigid pilot
Is that intended as well
short vapor
How goods the graia brauto? Just got one from the maelstrom
Highest burst DPS a brauto can offer + high totals to back up dumping ammo.
umbral scaffold
damn
umbral scaffold
yall vet mains?
novel stone
YES, GOT A PLASMA WITH LVL GETS HOT ON IT, FINALY GOT MY BB BACK
rigid pilot
Blaze away affects though
rigid pilot
Because
wanton dawn
yall vet mains?
What channel is this ?
hard briar
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1738zxb/stripped_down_is_now_stier/
Oh this shit, not the other thing where if u kill someone it makes u immune to ranged
tiny summit
yall vet mains?
no
novel stone
@hard briar since you're a fellow plasma enthusiast, what refines on my plasma?
keen sedge
should i take fully loaded or precision strikes
novel stone
Blaze away affects though
Wym?
wanton dawn
any vet tips? im so bad at it
Listen to ppl with cat pics
hard briar
<@350878873115820034> since you're a fellow plasma enthusiast, what refines on m...
I run
BLAZE AWAY 3 GETSHOT 4
with Maniac and Unyielding.
rigid pilot
novel stone
LOl I also have blaze away 3 getsgot 4
novel stone
Does blaze away go to 4?
hard briar
hard briar
Does blaze away go to 4?
No
novel stone
Thought so
rigid pilot
But overpressure doesn't because
agile yew
Listen to ppl with cat pics
I wouldnt, vet is like my least played class atm
short vapor
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1xyKl8jKtyPadO/spok?invite...
The lengths people will go through to avoid diagonal running
wanton dawn
I wouldnt, vet is like my least played class atm
I wouldnt listen myself as well
agile yew
I just found out the joys of ranged Ogryn lastnight and thats not gonna help either
novel stone
Look at this sexy thing
woven tide
I need to join in on the ogryn council
open flax
which daaka?
wanton dawn
Well, my joy is measured in the amount of crusher i can kill without gun
open flax
does that include grenade?
tall torrent
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1738zxb/stripped_down_is_now_stier/
Stripped down has been nerfed to no longer give a sprint speed buff
short vapor
You can just headfirst into any amount of gunner lmao
You can do that at a 45 degree angle too without stripped down. I'm mostly jesting since stripped down has certain cases where it's better. Although you can get by without it to a similar effect by just diagonal running and being better about where you diagonal run towards.
tall torrent
Stripped down allows u to directly run towards however many shooters and completely ignore dmg
hard briar
Look at this sexy thing
Heh
tall torrent
It’s a great gapcloser tool for melee
novel stone
Yeah
tall torrent
my plasma rn
novel stone
Beautiful
tall torrent
Looking for a better one still
hard briar
Ew, Gloryhunter
short vapor
Stripped down allows u to directly run towards however many shooters and complet...
diagonal running is the same thing but with only partial coverage of the sprinting dodge stuff. It's super useful and will only stop working at 0% stamina.
novel stone
@hard briar that was the bless I had bricked on it
tall torrent
Ew, Gloryhunter
Is actually pretty good
novel stone
It's OK
hard briar
More damage is good
sharp ember
it works
hard briar
I like more damage
tall torrent
It’s better than blaze away in a lot of situations
novel stone
Plasma is damage gun, use for damage
agile yew
Power Sword push attack combo for bosses apparently is very good, how it works in practice?
hard briar
I subscribe to the doctrine of dead things can't deal damage
novel stone
My current power sword 🤤
tall torrent
There aren’t many things that blaze away help u kill in fewer shots with in this game anyway
sharp ember
more damage gooder only if it actually makes things die faster
so bosses or maybe thick crusher patrols
novel stone
Gonna swap it for an even better one soon
agile yew
Gonna swap it for an even better one soon
Yeah blessings on point but perks leave to be desired still
novel stone
Yeah blessings on point but perks leave to be desired still
Yeah its a shame
tall torrent
so bosses or maybe thick crusher patrols
It doesn’t help significantly with crusher packs largely because the moment you vent the stacks are gone and venting 20% heat only allows u to shoot twice
novel stone
I only play Aurics at this point when I do play,
Every patrol is a thick patrol
I been quick playing aurics for mf plasteel
tall torrent
And you definitely will need to vent against a large pack of crushers
novel stone
Yeah blessings on point but perks leave to be desired still
What you think best perks are?
I can't decide
tall torrent
What you think best perks are?
Elite + carapace/unyielding
novel stone
Was gonna go with carapace
agile yew
Id ask someone else, 0 games with power sword, only got cycler lvl 3 so far
wanton dawn
I only play non maelstrom when i test build am not confident about
tall torrent
What you think best perks are?
Oh for power sword
Maniac / unyielding / carapace
novel stone
Elite + carapace/unyielding
@agile yew @tall torrent this is the one I'm sitting on, auto rolled with PC4
slow spade
I traded Iron Will for Grenade Tinkerer + Shredder nades
lets see if I regret this c:
white minnow
i like carapace & unyielding since I don't think that maniac is too necessary
bitter turtle
maniac reducces bp for ragers and trappers
white minnow
you dunk on mutants pretty quickly anyways, though +maniac is needed for a one shot
agile yew
I played sedition on sunday to finish my "noone dies" weekly in time, thats my darktide credentials
tall torrent
Maniac gives u mutant 1 tap with empowered push ATK
tall torrent
Unyielding gives u bulwark 1 tap if u build for it
And carapace guarantees crusher 2 tap
bitter turtle
also boss dps
novel stone
Indeed, is why I don't like current sword as much
bitter turtle
for unyielding
novel stone
Those were whay I was going for bur didn't know If there was some better option
tall torrent
U can’t go wrong with any 2 out of these 3
hard briar
who was it that said u cant 1 shot mutants with plasma
novel stone
Some moron
tall torrent
who was it that said u cant 1 shot mutants with plasma
I thought u were shooting uncharged
hard briar
you're wrong
novel stone
People who wanna stretch to try and kill crushers "quicker"
sharp ember
muties get the chainsword
novel stone
Had a whole argument in here about this @bitter turtle
wanton dawn
"Argument"
tall torrent
I can hit mutant for 3253 headshot with charged plasma non-crit
novel stone
Idk man
tall torrent
If I run 25% maniac, that’s a 1 shot
novel stone
unless ur not counting the time to charge
I guess they were?
tall torrent
But that’s like a really niche breakpoint where I could just shoot it 3 times
novel stone
Or psword
hard briar
id rather kill it in one go, from afar, and not worry about what dumbshit itll cause my team to endure
bitter turtle
i mean
novel stone
But sometimes it's funny
novel stone
Let him fight the ogryn
hard briar
all the dumbshit occurs when disablers get to do their jobs
hard briar
Let him fight the ogryn
i also run rocks on my ogyrns for this very reason
novel stone
Word
bitter turtle
so charging lets more dumb shit happen
hard briar
I rather kill the mutant in one go, than worry about some idiot
bitter turtle
esp since the uncharged still stagger
sharp ember
does a charged bodyshot with maniac krump mutie
hard briar
so charging lets more dumb shit happen
in my experience, with pubs, nah
it really doesnt xD
tall torrent
Uncharged on headshot still staggers for easy kill
wanton dawn
Charging is lower dps, higher ammo consumption, risk of explosion
bitter turtle
in my experience, with pubs, nah
no im saying
but your very logic
if ur charging
ur doing nothing
novel stone
Stop typing
bitter turtle
if im spammign shots
novel stone
Like this
bitter turtle
its staggering
novel stone
Type
slow spade
charging is only to wallbang dogs through walls
novel stone
In one
bitter turtle
fug u
novel stone
Text
novel stone
Femboy typing algorithm
slow spade
Charging does increase wall pen distance so its not bad
hard briar
but
bitter turtle
mfw other ppl get timed out instead of me
hard briar
i
sharp ember
through walls
hard briar
am
bitter turtle
:^)
slow spade
same
short vapor
Doesn't the charged shot have higher cleave on it?
hard briar
cope seethe mald
bitter turtle
Doesn't the charged shot have higher cleave on it?
yeah that's one of the niche cases of use
hard briar
Doesn't the charged shot have higher cleave on it?
dude this is cleary a big empty room in auric/maelstrom
wanton dawn
Doesn't the charged shot have higher cleave on it?
About 300% more
sharp ember
it wallbangs thicker walls of that i’m sure
sharp ember
do you really need 300 cleave mass?
hard briar
yes
wanton dawn
do you really need 300 cleave mass?
No
slow spade
do you really need 300 cleave mass?
yes
wanton dawn
it wallbangs thicker walls of that i’m sure
No
sharp ember
the duality of mankind
hard briar
you walk into a bar
hard briar
and a 10 sits next to you
short vapor
Wait I thought it was like 40 on the uncharged and 100 on the charged, it's 300?
hard briar
they tell you they dont have 300 cleave
bitter turtle
uncharged cleaves 6 mutants already
unless u literally
have 7 mutants perfectly lined up
bitter turtle
better to uncharged
hard briar
i know who im going to go home with
slow spade
Not reproducible in psy
it does
wanton dawn
Show and tell
tall torrent
The only time u should really right click with plasma is to maintain heat so u keep gets hot stacks lol
Or maybe meme crusher 1 tap
That’s about it honestly
bitter turtle
i think if u can crusher 1 tap with charged you can do it with 2 uncharged and save half the ammo and time
at least that is the case for my plasma
wanton dawn
I could not get plasma charge to go through "thicker" wall than uncharged
short vapor
Man this is gonna end up being the thing that gets me to datamine all of another class
tall torrent
i think if u can crusher 1 tap with charged you can do it with 2 uncharged and s...
The 2 tap uncharged needs to both be headshots which takes longer because first shot will send him on the floor for a good while
terse idol
I could not get plasma charge to go through "thicker" wall than uncharged
Oh no yeah, that's one scenerio where right click charge is good
frank ether
I'd love for a little bit of cleave as a treat on some weapons
terse idol
Tag a bomber through the ground, shoot into ceiling
frank ether
Idk why it has to be all or nothing
wanton dawn
Oh no yeah, that's one scenerio where right click charge is good
Except am saying it change nothing
sharp ember
i haven’t expressly tested post-buff, but i confirmed it using the pillars in psykhanium. I’ll be damned if it was removed post-buff
terse idol
IT CAN GO THROUGH THIN WALLS UNCHARGED?
bitter turtle
The 2 tap uncharged needs to both be headshots which takes longer because first ...
my followup shot is ok with a bodyshot
at least testing with a 80/80 dmg/stopping
or maybe i am hitting head twice idk
but he's still on the ground for sure
i dont delay
sharp ember
uncharged will blow through most house walls and railings enemies use for cover
tall torrent
but he's still on the ground for sure
Did u crit
sharp ember
but thicker props like barrels or crates may need charging
bitter turtle
Did u crit
of cnot
wanton dawn
but thicker props like barrels or crates may need charging
Granted, dont have that in psy
tall torrent
I have 80 dmg & SP, 20% carapace, 10% elite, 15% elite, 20% ogryn and 5 stacks of tag
It’s 1753 headshot
wanton dawn
Still doubtful charged change prop pen but hey
sharp ember
Granted, dont have that in psy
yeah I used the pillars, you can use the corners for thin depth and move around for thicker depth
hard briar
i got a 3600 body shot crit on mutie
terse idol
yeah I used the pillars, you can use the corners for thin depth and move around ...
dats cray
wanton dawn
yeah I used the pillars, you can use the corners for thin depth and move around ...
Pillar i could not reproduce
short vapor
I have no idea what unit it's referring to but the uncharged has .5 terrain cleave and the charged has a 1.25 value.
tall torrent
I’d need 5 stacks of redirect fire + 5 stacks of tag to reach over 1800 dmg on a headshot
wanton dawn
Charged changed nothing
hard briar
guys
sharp ember
hmm, I’ll have a gander next time I choose to hop on
wanton dawn
Past a point it no longer go through period
hard briar
i just needed to stack all this shit
wanton dawn
Thats a lot of shit
tall torrent
That’s dedication right there
hard briar
this is totally doable in a maelstrom missio
sharp ember
one of my favorite plasma behaviors is sitting behind sheet metal and using exe stance to murder everything that glows on the other side
wanton dawn
We all were
zealous wyvern
were we
wanton dawn
Still worse than voc
hard briar
this is my baby she just has one blemish on her and I wont forgive hadron for it until i see Mars itself glassed and its population sundered
zealous wyvern
i still think its bad on most guns
sharp ember
were we being harsh on exe stance plasma or exe stance in general
hard briar
were we being harsh on exe stance plasma or exe stance in general
exe stance plasma
exe stance is dogshit generally
Id sooner see an infil vet in my lobby than welcome exe stancers
sharp ember
that’s just about my dream plasma right there if charge and ammo was swapped
raw steppe
exe needs quite a bit of help lol
hard briar
dying relic of a bygone era coping about your lack of Confirmed Kill +Unwavering Focus+Counter fire.
wanton dawn
Exe autogun is fine imo
hard briar
Die
raw steppe
i think if they made exe give you a free reload and made VoC 40s
bitter turtle
I have 80 dmg & SP, 20% carapace, 10% elite, 15% elite, 20% ogryn and 5 stacks o...
i get 1800 with just 2 stacks]
sharp ember
why is ogryn highlights separate from shooter highlights
bitter turtle
i dont test with more than 2 stacks usually since u cant really rely on it
tall torrent
https://i.gyazo.com/8cc927de4656ee405cc9be7fbb63d32f.jpg
U have longshot?
tall torrent
Ok that’s prob why
bitter turtle
if full 5 stacks i get 2k
wanton dawn
But voc is just op
tall torrent
Does charge rate still affect dmg?
sharp ember
nope, fixed
wanton dawn
No
sharp ember
you can dump it as much as you want
hard briar
https://i.gyazo.com/8cc927de4656ee405cc9be7fbb63d32f.jpg
one shot if i had carapace
or elites maybe
but i also didnt crit and was using the angry crackjuice
wanton dawn
you can dump it as much as you want
Still affect shot delay
bitter turtle
yeah I mean its still easier just to click it twice
short vapor
exe stance is dogshit generally
Wait what's wrong with it? It still has like, legit 15 different buffs behind it.
sharp ember
aye but if you can play around that
bitter turtle
i can charge oneshot tho yes
wanton dawn
I meant on primary fire
frank ether
But voc is just op
so are relic and smite imo
what makes voc special is it has the best pathing and no real competition
sharp ember
I meant on primary fire
on that topic does volatile work on primary fire
i heard conflicting things
wanton dawn
Probably
terse idol
Well I gotta ask, is relic that good?
frank ether
werent you people moaning about voc stun being too good cause it stuns bosses?
terse idol
Thought the long cooldown was the wacky part
frank ether
relic stun is uh.. the boss won't last through it
sharp ember
relic is great for a “team get it together” bailout
tall torrent
what makes voc special is it has the best pathing and no real competition
Change EXE to mimic SG then it has very real competition
hard briar
in order to mow down a whole horde of carapace
either run carapace
or
just have angry crack juice
frank ether
Thought the long cooldown was the wacky part
you get a very consistent cd reduction method as zealot though
terse idol
hmm, I would maybe argue, because of the relic nerfs
Like if you could already kill the boss before relic ends
You probably could have killed it without relic
frank ether
like yes voc spam is very stupid with certain modifiers
terse idol
In the saame time or faster
terse idol
you get a very consistent cd reduction method as zealot though
yeah, but then you'd just run the crit spam build eh?
short vapor
https://tenor.com/view/futurama-disgust-differences-gif-25225331
Fatshark was smoking when they made Zealot and Vet's OG ults lmao
tall torrent
You probably could have killed it without relic
Relic just makes it safer & more consistent and in this game with tons of RNG bs having consistency is nice
terse idol
that's truue
terse idol
'Ate RNG
frank ether
You probably could have killed it without relic
same could be said for voc aswell
zealous wyvern
because He on Terra always watches
fear not our fates brothers and sisters
fear only the fate of traitors
frank ether
I think the problem for vet is genuinely that the offensive option (exec) just isn't as consistent as voc and infil path of the tree is tax hell
terse idol
yeahh, and I guess you can't really like... spam VOC on a boss if there's not any elites around
tall torrent
Make EXE have 50% power of SG then we’re cooking
terse idol
Exe is still silly in that you have a 2 point talent tax... compared to VOC's one
And like you NEED these talents for Exe
frank ether
if exec gave you consistent bps for your investment without ''nuh uh can't weapon swap'' you'd see more people use it
merry oak
thanks hadron ur the best
tall torrent
SG has 3 point tax and it’s still the best +dmg ability in the game
bitter turtle
on that topic does volatile work on primary fire
it does
just tested it
a whole
3 damage
:^)
hard briar
hadron
bitter turtle
so uh probably not worth ngl
hard briar
a garage sale
bitter turtle
Isn’t volatile extra charge speed?
yeah, but remember the whole charge rate thing with primary fire
frank ether
Exe is still silly in that you have a 2 point talent tax... compared to VOC's on...
Thats the thing though, I dont think tax is the problem in this case
I've been crying and pissing about vet talent tax for months here
but uh
tall torrent
yeah, but remember the whole charge rate thing with primary fire
Didn’t that got fixed?
frank ether
if the ability is good tax is fine
bitter turtle
Didn’t that got fixed?
well im testing it right now
frank ether
like scrier also has the tax
terse idol
Yeah
terse idol
I guess it's trying to compare the "taxes" for out of the box talents
Infil's good without any other talents, VOC is just a fart
tall torrent
SG has 3 point tax
terse idol
Exe is... 5 seconds of damage boost
tall torrent
SG is still the best +dmg ability
frank ether
I think baseline voc is still decent but it gets dummy good with the 1 point investment
hard briar
yeah, but remember the whole charge rate thing with primary fire
THIS GOT FIXED AT LONG LAST
SUFFER NOT THE CHARGE RATE BUG
terse idol
I did accidentally take VOC without toughness refil and I mean, I had to... think when I used it
Unlike, taking 1 talent point, and just popping it either early
hard briar
SUFFER NOT THE CHARGE RATE BUG TO LIIIIIVVVEEE!
terse idol
Or when you anticipate a burster
frank ether
like you have the choice to play ranged focus all or nothing playstyle or you can just have your consistent yellow toughness + stun choice is easy
raw steppe
tbh imo
the CDR on special kill
should probably be on a node attached to exe
rather than being a generic node on tree
terse idol
Exe doesn't need it
hard briar
i do miss the days when Plasma was not popular and it was more so a "Eliminate this threat before your team even knows its a threat or your useless."
terse idol
With how counterfire is already there, I mean I'd rather they just make Exe last 10 seconds
frank ether
but its too easy to mess it up to factors completely outside of your control as a player
bitter turtle
so im guessing by "fixed" they meant just "make it barely matter"
like i said its a whole 2 dmg
terse idol
5 seconds is way too short imo
frank ether
and promoting people to not weapon swap is terrible gameplay choicce
bitter turtle
so
hard briar
and promoting people to not weapon swap is terrible gameplay choicce
literally all the vets
before unwavering got removed
terse idol
So silly that it just INSTANTLY turns off
frank ether
literally all the vets
Its not just the nerfs but the game was different and vet had no competition
woven tide
The only big use I've found for executioners stance was to make swapping from a melee to a bolter actually bearable
frank ether
if you didn't had an exec vet you'd just suffer
terse idol
THIS GOT FIXED AT LONG LAST
Well yeah, to be fair the bug didn't change your BP's
At all
tall torrent
Like on MG4 you had naturally faster ads move speed
terse idol
But it's nice that it's not there anymore
tall torrent
For acquiring better shot angles
terse idol
and evidentally the fix caused the audio bug I'm certain
bitter turtle
charge rate 0 vs 100
lol
its basically fixed
but it still seems to change the dmg slightly
idk
terse idol
https://i.gyazo.com/051af39a7a81514fc70c72f1663684dc.jpg
The CR did get fixed but the CR bug was
On specific charge rates
76%
bitter turtle
ya i remember
hard briar
Well yeah, to be fair the bug didn't change your BP's
dude before the lastplasma buffs i couldnt even fucking kill a mauler by 4 hp where before I could actually just one shot it
terse idol
dats cray
hard briar
very frustrating
and why
WHY WAS IT FATSHARK
BECAUSE YOU DIDNT FIX THE FUCKING BUG
sharp ember
emperor save you if you land some kind of ungodly plasma roll that’s missing 1 damage to kill a common target
hard briar
and it was worse the more charge rate you had
terse idol
it's just
hard briar
above 71% percent
tall torrent
emperor save you if you land some kind of ungodly plasma roll that’s missing 1 d...
My plasma does 1396 to flamers on headshot
At least redirect fire solves that problem
bitter turtle
so i dont think theres anything that would account for the difference of 2 dmg
sharp ember
My plasma does 1396 to flamers on headshot <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
At...
with or without maniac? oof
tall torrent
with or without maniac? oof
Without maniac
terse idol
we're talking 5%
bitter turtle
you nevver know
bitter turtle
see: my rashad that misses by exactly 1 dmg
terse idol
max 40 damage off
frank ether
My plasma does 1396 to flamers on headshot <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
At...
finally a use for fireteam
terse idol
tall torrent
see: my rashad that misses by exactly 1 dmg
Rashad is a min-max nightmare
hard briar
finally a use for fireteam <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Dont tell anyone but i always run fireteam when theres a vet with survivalist
tall torrent
I’ve been trying CS4 tho
terse idol
I just run fire team anyways 
tall torrent
CS4 is actually not bad
frank ether
my agri iag is like 25 damage off of one shotting scab gunner on this build I made
terse idol
It was a bad idea
frank ether
I think its because it has 20 flak instead of 25
terse idol
Top level RNG pls
muted knot
my agri iag is like 25 damage off of one shotting scab gunner on this build I ma...
Ooooooof
terse idol
This just ain't good design
muted knot
I'm kinda tempted to run marksman focus with IAG
frank ether
exec fixes it and also gives one shots to dreg gunner but the problem is I'm playing exec at that point lmao
and uh
exec+mf is like
too autistic even for me
muted knot
Hahaha
tall torrent
I'm kinda tempted to run marksman focus with IAG <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832290616...
Left tree has a ton of good nodes just for improving dmg
muted knot
I concur
hard briar
i should make a good chainaxe
frank ether
i should make a good chainaxe
you should, they're great fun
hard briar
HOWEVER i do not care to grind in this game and its what keeps me from playing
bitter turtle
only problem i had making a tree for it is being split between 3 trees
frank ether
still better on zealot but vet viable now
muted knot
I feel like you kinda waste the extra finesse damage on agri tho
hard briar
"OMG I SHOULD GET A GOOD"
(recalls the hours of grinding)
"Nevermind."
bitter turtle
left tree for MF, middle tree for tac awareness, right tree for onslaught
frank ether
mainly why I think chaxe better on zealot is because zealot gets to completely bypass the mobility issues of chaxe
the charge is dummy good
terse idol
exec+mf is like
I love that 🥹
I might have to sit down to actually test how much MF is actually doing
muted knot
left tree for MF, middle tree for tac awareness, right tree for onslaught
No iron will
terse idol
Cause I certainly feel like most of the power is just... Exe here
slow spade
I usually go Middle tree if I don't know where to put things
Middle has so much good stuff
I don't run Iron will either
frank ether
*I love that* 🥹
I might have to sit down to actually test how much MF is actua...
how does one shotting gunners with an iag sound because thats what it can potentially do
tall torrent
Left & middle are just great for +dmg and other utilities
muted knot
What should a agri IAG build even look like ? I just took the classics tbh
bitter turtle
No iron will <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
you can drop iron will but u still have to pick up tacawareness at least lol
muted knot
you can drop iron will but u still have to pick up tacawareness at least lol
I will never
terse idol
I just wanna snipe with
bitter turtle
rip