no idea
#veteran-class
radiant cargo
it depends. modern miilitaries that used bullup have been going back to M4 style; but is that because the bullpup was bad? or was it just not worth the sqeeze of missing out on all the quality parts and manufacturers or M4s? modern militaries have also been getting great effect out of heavier faster 223/5.56 rounds out of shorter barrels. it's harsh on the guns, but a rifle is a wear part on a soldier. meant to be used, worn out, and replaced, same as socks and toothpaste
neat stratus
Well, probably more room to generate power
untold mulch
Tbf
A bullpup carbine would be even smaller and keep the barrel
But fair
My random guess
focusing lens
less diffusion
radiant cargo
theoretically, if the barrel is a focussing aray for the laser, you have more room to play with it, and optomize.
crude fiber
that would make sense i guess, no idea how lasguns operate really
zealous wyvern
yeah it seems like it would be some sort of focus
untold mulch
that would make sense i guess, no idea how lasguns operate really
they operate by rule of cool
radiant cargo
as bulpup las rifle should have NO difference in performance vs a regular one, all the mechanisms are electronic, so, meh.
untold mulch
zealous wyvern
possibly the least cool weapon in all media
untold mulch
very bad weird
untold mulch
They are overengineered to be even worse
zealous wyvern
the normal phaser is tiny, holds no recoil
the rifle phaser somehow needs a stock and everything
?
zealous wyvern
is that star trek?
untold mulch
Star Trek Elite Force
ST shooter with quake style gameplay
gold
pure gold smfh
Munro was a chad in that universe
untold mulch
I won't accept slander of my childhood memories
untold mulch
was munro the terrorist woman?
Is a dude cnaonically
zealous wyvern
oh
untold mulch
Moslty sure
zealous wyvern
then idk if its her or not
untold mulch
game allows you to choose
neat stratus
I obrezzed the helbore
untold mulch
Also no slander, it was a solid shooter
neat stratus
untold mulch
I got hipfire mad skills
because of that shit
Focus on evading, while hipfire does the rest
Also pull the comically large minigun when shit gets bad
untold mulch
I obrezzed the helbore
💀
untold mulch
That's right, and I also unheavied the laspistol
LMAO
Damn, gonna head to sleep just realized is 0:35
💀
neat stratus
Damn, gonna head to sleep just realized is 0:35
You know what
I debolted the bolter
untold mulch
wyou changed anything?
crude fiber
testing these max fire rates for weapons makes we wish they kept the fire frenzy fire rate increase
untold mulch
I am blind I don't see the change
crude fiber
I am blind I don't see the change
no bolt
crude fiber
just the er
untold mulch
Bolt
iron marten
Debolter
untold mulch
anyways
bullpups cool, anything else is mad talking 🗿
neat stratus
You know what, I made the Lucius a pump action
untold mulch
Scifi bullpups the best
iron marten
I have to like bullpups, the Australian Army uses it!!!
zealous wyvern
DID THEY CHANGE PUNISHING SALVO
it says weakspot damage % on 3rd and 4th shot
was it always weakspot?
crude fiber
theres two of those blessings,
untold mulch
Imagine it as a stealth nerf
But no one noticed because no one runs it
unreal bone
anyways
bullpups cool, anything else is mad talking 🗿
It depends on the bullpup.
Not EVERY bullpup is cool like not every normal rifle is cool.
neat stratus
I debladed the combat blade
crude fiber
max fire rate bolter
zealous wyvern
I debladed the combat blade
anime weapon
the blade is the wind
when you sheathe the knife, the cuts all appear at once
there is even smoke collecting like something is there
untold mulch
Not EVERY bullpup is cool like not every normal rifle is cool.
Fair enough
tall torrent
I got 2 more points what should I spend on
tall torrent
I got 2 more points what should I spend on
Gloryhunter plasma + DC7
frank ether
these poor psyker+zealot had to babysit me the entire game lmao
untold mulch
I got 2 more points what should I spend on
Or extra nade for memes
Or maybe one of the reload talents
frank ether
psyker smiting mutie for 3+ seconds so I can kill it lmao
tall torrent
Or extra nade for memes
Or maybe one of the reload talents
I took tinkerer but I’m not sure if it’s high enough value to me rn
crude ermine
I got 2 more points what should I spend on
Maybe the one right above shout to the left
tall torrent
Extra nade wouldn’t be that bad of a choice
tall torrent
Maybe the one right above shout to the left
Field improv is ok, but idk what that last point would be on
tall torrent
I was considering dropping target down for both stamina regen boosts for the memes
crude ermine
Wait what are you using
tall torrent
Want some rending?
Plasma + DC7
crude ermine
Oh nvm
neat stratus
Alright. Decombatted the blade.
tall torrent
I don’t think I need any specific melee talents
crude ermine
You could literally go for anything and it'll work
You practically have every base filled out in terms of good talents
tall torrent
The only talent that would benefit DC7 is desperado but that’s a 3 point investment and only gives me a few breakpoints I could achieve just by tagging
iron marten
Personally, I’d use the last two for longshot and volley adept
tall torrent
It’s plasma tho
iron marten
Ye, and I hate the reload speed, lmao
crude fiber
just reload cancel it
iron marten
You can get to the reload cancel faster with the extra speed, but fair enough
tall torrent
Actually I’ll prob go duck & dive
iron marten
Solid choice
tall torrent
Plasma does struggle against shooters so having that is pretty handy
crude fiber
without then with reload perks, sorry for video spam im having fun with obs
frank ether
wow quickplay experience is absolute dogshit
4th game in a row
being put in a game with %80 corruption
BoN somewhere
1-2 bots
iron marten
without then with reload perks, sorry for video spam im having fun with obs
Alg with the video spam
low yacht
Don't play qp?
iron marten
Quickplay is where the funniest stuff happens though!
crude fiber
been choosing my missions lately for missoin specific penances so normally get the pregame lobby
iron marten
If I could, I would quickplay for histg, otherwise, I just stick with it for the extra plasteel
low yacht
I had to build a new power sword because the damage on my current one is terrible
46 is probably why
tall torrent
been choosing my missions lately for missoin specific penances so normally get t...
U too been grinding power matrix & hab dreyko?
low yacht
I tried penances and got called trash because I wasn't allowed to kill specialists.
Yeah some of the penances suck.
Especially that one.
placid portal
without then with reload perks, sorry for video spam im having fun with obs
you could cancel the last part of the cork screwing in
crude fiber
i sprinted, it didnt so for some reason
placid portal
damn
tac reload is such a nice passive
if only it wasn't at 20% sprint cost reduction
low yacht
I have a build that makes that easy.
crude fiber
been doing repair and investigations
low yacht
Investigation the rarest missions.
lavish dove
would this be a solid base or thermal resistance is just too bad?
it's in the shop right now and i was wondering
junior needle
Thermal res isn’t that important
Your primary concern is damage/stopping power and then charge rate because it affects your light attack speed apparently
crude fiber
i think they fixed that
junior needle
They changed it affecting the damage of the light attack
But the speed at which the light attack comes out is still affected
But it (should) now be uniform in damage
iron marten
would this be a solid base or thermal resistance is just too bad?
Absolute lowest thermal res you should tolerate is 47%, ideally, 65% so you can do 8 light attacks before needing to cooldown, instead of 7
Sorry, 48%, not 47%
lavish dove
Your primary concern is damage/stopping power and then charge rate because it af...
thank you!
lavish dove
Absolute lowest thermal res you should tolerate is 47%, ideally, 65% so you can ...
ah ok, ill write that down in some notes, quite a lot of stats im not sure about and how to value
tyty
iron marten
no problem!
iron marten
Yeah, they fixed it
lavish dove
ah that's great, that means some of my other bases are great 😄
i thought this was bad bc 74 cr was in the red
polar kayak
is this trash
junior needle
is this trash
Pretty bad roll so far but still way better than any recon
polar kayak
i want dumdum lv4, might roll it, so hard to get 370+ columnus
junior needle
The offensive stats aren't great but the gun is quite overtuned currently
There's not much difference between the dumdum tiers
polar kayak
stamina build 
polar kayak
There's not much difference between the dumdum tiers
oh cool
junior needle
You can not only keep up but top the scoreboard using a gray ciag in auric 5's
I did it on my zealot before I even used anoint in blood
polar kayak
o.0
polar kayak
i feel like sustained fire and dumdum would go nice together. does salvo reset on CIAG fast?
frank ether
another recon mf game and I had no ammo till like the very end where ogryn dropped ammo bag lmao
junior needle
I mean you can do it with a r*con
This is possible in theory, but you're unlikely to casually have this happen unless you're both sweating very hard and get very casual teammates. Also your ammo grabbed will be very high.
junior needle
frank ether
make a voc melee build
insert any gun in the game
say gun is fine
this was an exec build
tho
junior needle
i feel like sustained fire and dumdum would go nice together. does salvo reset o...
Not really. You bullet hose it for most things and only burst for things at longer ranges.
frank ether
fucking useless ult
junior needle
say gun is fine
Also, I said a gray gun. And this was on zealot, so no rending talents.
frank ether
I'd wish opening salvo was a bit better
junior needle
Pure 600 dps of pain on maniacs
junior needle
NOPE
junior needle
I wasn't even using anoint in blood
frank ether
also by virtue of being a zealot
you can turn brautos into laser beams
and shit on recon without even going for finesse
frank ether
I kinda
feel like
state of sharpshooter build
probably doesnt help
but recon is a special kind of bad
polar kayak
thoughts?
frank ether
its like all these damage steroids on marksman tree
and what helps recon the most are onslaught and focus mark
junior needle
thoughts?
You have dumdum and the appropriate perks, you're at 95% power already. The second blessing basically doesn't matter. Raking is limited general value unless you're running infiltrate but you might as well take whatever.
junior needle
and what helps recon the most are onslaught and focus mark
DS or ff seems to be the popular second blessing
Raking is "ok" but things have a tendency of facing you when you hit them so it helps mostly on certain enemies
frank ether
I think I'll try this on vld/dc7
frank ether
Raking is "ok" but things have a tendency of facing you when you hit them so it ...
I think doing infiltrate raking build on iag or laspis is still more potent than recon las
because while situational its still very effective when that situation comes
junior needle
I think doing infiltrate raking build on iag or laspis is still more potent than...
You are correct, as those are both guns that perform well on a baseline
frank ether
I think easy fix for vld is
like bit of a bandaid but
make it consume 1 ammo per shot
or increase base ammo so survivalist/ammo bag returns are higher
junior needle
Also I recommend the anti suppression node for recons now that I know for sure it gives you the massive shot wandering
junior needle
make it consume 1 ammo per shot
6d already consumes 1 ammo per shot
frank ether
yeah but 6d has other problems no?
junior needle
Yes. The simple solution for all the recons is just a damage/ammo reserve increase.
frank ether
I can make something as stink as
graia braced auto
because it has like
900 ammo on vet
and consumes 1 per shot
frank ether
vld is like 800 something and it consumes more than it returns even with careful aim and waiting for survivalist procs
this is why I get angry when survivalist debate comes up
its always people who play and build very melee heavy
and never touch pure ranged build
frank ether
6d is actually doing the best overall by a large margin
could that be because a lot of the dps comes from infernus at this point
I have a very shitty 6d so dont rly wanna touch it
but doesnt it have even worse dps in general
late hatch
not having infinite ammo is a problem?
late hatch
um i think its the other way. having infinite or near infinite ammo is a problem. and the fact its tied to 1 aura for a single champ is a problem as it pigeonholes builds and people actually get mad at vets for not running it
junior needle
could that be because a lot of the dps comes from infernus at this point
Depends on the target. On soft targets it does very little, on hard targets it's "acceptable". If what I read is correct and fire ticks every .5 seconds, then you'd do like 200-400~ dps at max stacks.
frank ether
how do you balance staffs vs guns
if staffs do comparable dps
and even bigger AoE in most cases
and guns have to reload / staffs have to vent
polar kayak
DS or ff seems to be the popular second blessing
deathsplitter? is 6.5% power that strong?
frank ether
if you want the build where I spent like 20+ points on my gun
to run out of ammo
whats the point of that build
late hatch
psykers also have unlimited ranged spam
psykers can also kill themselves if they spam too hard though
frank ether
why not just play a psyker and spam my shit endlessly
junior needle
Power also gives you additional cleave
frank ether
I just have to occasionally stop and vent
junior needle
text doesn't say this :<
Welcome to fatshark descriptions
frank ether
psykers can also kill themselves if they spam too hard though
you even have a failsafe ability that vents it for you before you die
I forgot what its called
the puke thing
where you morb all over the enemy
it goes through walls
junior needle
I have a good 6d
Post it and I'll appraise it
frank ether
and everything gets a dot that kills them
late hatch
doesnt change the fact that psykers regularly pop themselves, and you have to stop to vent which is a bigger time soak than an occaisonal reload for recon
near shore
Yes. The simple solution for all the recons is just a damage/ammo reserve increa...
3x fire rate inc
frank ether
doesnt change the fact that psykers regularly pop themselves, and you have to st...
and that doesn't change the fact that your average player runs out of ammo constantly
junior needle
3x fire rate inc
Think you'd start running into problems with server tick rate at that point
low yacht
To be honest a psyker blowing up is their fault.
low yacht
100% of the time.
near shore
Think you'd start running into problems with server tick rate at that point
oh foe sure, but im being a meme, but i feel like, if ur doing little dmg per shot, at least give nutty fire rate
late hatch
I was denied ammo for nearly 20 minutes
so take it yourself? or deal with your own classes limitations
low yacht
To be honest as veteran I use melee more then my gun.
frank ether
so take it yourself? or deal with your own classes limitations
lmao
near shore
To be honest as veteran I use melee more then my gun.
rreally? i get it tho
frank ether
deal with the fact that this game isn't VT2
and cope with reality
sucker
''deal with your own class limitations'^'
bitch I have a ranged build
junior needle
oh foe sure, but im being a meme, but i feel like, if ur doing little dmg per sh...
Now 3x the fire rate and also 4x the ammo...
near shore
i feel like the game is fair 50/50 melee vs shooting
late hatch
low yacht
I have a mixed build.
near shore
Now 3x the fire rate and also 4x the ammo...
oh ya, you would for sure get ammo inc
low yacht
Because to be honest I use power sword more then anything.
polar kayak
is fire frenzy better than deathsplitter? or depends ... if only getting ambushed by horde?
late hatch
"my class doesnt work because someone else didnt play how i think they should" seethe and cope my duder. seethe and cope
low yacht
Steal ammo crates.
frank ether
I made it worked, without using like the 20 or so talents I invested into my gun
low yacht
You can vote to kick people who steal all the ammo and do not share.
hearty panther
FF is flat damage. DS is power so it'll also boost your cleave and the bonus isn't range limited.
near shore
Because to be honest I use power sword more then anything.
its good! and i like and dislike it, if that makes sense
low yacht
You just block and charge and it makes it a lot more efficient.
polar kayak
FF is flat damage. DS is power so it'll also boost your cleave and the bonus isn...
thnx. i'll prob do DS then
rigid whale
how do you balance staffs vs guns
peril management
near shore
You just block and charge and it makes it a lot more efficient.
ik, but i like the devil claw, now power sword is great, even vs armor but i like ti feel moblie
low yacht
You'll blow up.
junior needle
is fire frenzy better than deathsplitter? or depends ... if only getting ambushe...
Ff is a bit more damage but at the cost of cleave
low yacht
You can be mobile with power sword?
junior needle
FF is flat damage. DS is power so it'll also boost your cleave and the bonus isn...
The bonus isn’t actually range limited currently, despite saying close range damage. Tested it this patch.
low yacht
The charged attacked are only good against specialists to be fair. Heavy attacks work just fine.
That's what I do anyways.
rigid whale
soo difficult
wont disagree with you there but that is the intended philosophy. it works in VT2 at least
low yacht
Heavy attack to the head kills most things
near shore
Heavy attack to the head kills most things
ue
ye*
honestly, wasnt a fan of VT2, a good game for sure, didnt like how it feels
frank ether
its constant shifting goalposts I play VoC some shithead says its overrpowered, I play ranged vet some shithead says I have too much ammo
near shore
its constant shifting goalposts I play VoC some shithead says its overrpowered, ...
ppl will always complain
mystic owl
VT3 when
near shore
the game for the most part is balanced
near shore
with some outliers of course
sonic marlin
nice'
near shore
well ppl dont seem to get, u can use anything and make it worl
its all about your skill
rigid whale
it's unfun when someone else does all the work but I don't feel that often in DT
near shore
well id say the only problem is the challenge
rigid whale
it def does happen at times (recon lasgun lol)
low yacht
Recon got nerfed so much.
near shore
i like a challenge, so i dont want an all be all gun, but everything should work and be fun
frank ether
Crab had the right idea all along
near shore
i think boltgun could use a small buff
frank ether
just give vet its own ammo sustain talents
low yacht
It takes too long to kill a mutie.
hearty panther
like call me crazy but yes veteran at present is rather absurd
low yacht
A mutant isn't a boss so like
frank ether
the problem is sharing it all along
mystic owl
its constant shifting goalposts I play VoC some shithead says its overrpowered, ...
Are you saying you pick up all the ammo? 💀
near shore
well, boltgun just doesnt feel like....powerful enough for what it is in lore
hearty panther
and i hope it gets the rework it needs so that they can still be a shootyboi without utterly tilting the power balance of the game
cause rn, honestly
frank ether
Are you saying you pick up all the ammo? 💀
apparently I should be according to the shitheads
hearty panther
a veteran can play a full pacifist run just using survivalist, shout, and redirect fire
near shore
Lore and Gameplay are never gonna add up.
of course, but you get what i mean right?
frank ether
a veteran can play a full pacifist run just using survivalist, shout, and redire...
zealot relic / smite psyker
low yacht
The boltgun feels weak for it's purpose.
near shore
you one shot with revolver, but need alot for boltgun
frank ether
please cease the hypocrisy
low yacht
And lasguns are pretty powerful
near shore
well id say theres no better vet boss killer
frank ether
like every class has one of those no brain cell builds
hearty panther
it's not about no brain cell
near shore
its def boss killer
low yacht
Shovel
hearty panther
it's about the actual output
low yacht
Shovel bleed builds destroy bosses.
keen wolf
what is the best catachan combat blade for vet?
trim steppe
Lore and Gameplay are never gonna add up.
What are we doin as a bunch of rejects killing hundreds of beasts of nurgle and chaos spawns and thousands of infected
near shore
what is the best catachan combat blade for vet?
depends
hearty panther
50% uptime on toughness overheal, ridiculous team-wide ammo regen, 30%+ damage boost for the entire team. that's an insane amount of output
and you arent even swinging a weapon yet
low yacht
Most games aren't canon to be fair with you.
near shore
ya fair
keen wolf
depends on what?
low yacht
Only Boltgun and Space Marine I think are truly canon?
near shore
but what i mean is, were using this giant wepon and it feels....meh
frank ether
and you arent even swinging a weapon yet
I stun the entire map by pressing a single button on the other two
trim steppe
At least the plasma gun feels properly op for what it is
low yacht
Because Boltgun is a story that is based around Space Marine.
frank ether
voc+mark is two buttons so technically more complicated
it requires two brain cells
instead of one
hearty panther
the difference is that smite sucks
low yacht
It does not.
frank ether
excusi
low yacht
Excuses.
near shore
smite doesnt suck, just other choices
low yacht
It's a niche tool that is used incorrectly.
frank ether
what kind of hypocrisy is this lmao
mystic owl
Smite so gonna get nerfed 😩
frank ether
I dont understand
frank ether
I'm not even asking for any class to be nerfed lmao
near shore
what does it depend on?
what move set youd like
near shore
what does it depend on?
now ill reccomend the one i use, one sec
frank ether
like do you ever play with a smite psyker you dont get to play the game
low yacht
I'd prefer buffs to make boltgun feel like a boltgun.
frank ether
you get to hit stunned enemies
rigid whale
Most games aren't canon to be fair with you.
which is lame AF
I get why niche games can't move the story forward but damn
near shore
what does it depend on?
the mark IV is nice, one heavy top down and a heavy horizontal
low yacht
If you really want to buff it give it more recoil
The boltgun I feel should have more recoil.
keen wolf
am I right in thinking the mkII is better for single target?
near shore
If you really want to buff it give it more recoil
more recoil but should hit like a fucking truck
light ore
what does it depend on?
mk 3 knife optimal single target dps doesn't cost stamina, which vet sometimes struggles with
low yacht
And then increase the damage.
near shore
am I right in thinking the mkII is better for single target?
for devil claw?
keen wolf
no
light ore
mk 6 has slighty better horde clear
near shore
id say ur using Dclaw for horde and melee counter
light ore
but optimal single target dps costs stamina
low yacht
Make it harder to hit targets as a draw off for more damage.
frank ether
mk 3 knife optimal single target dps doesn't cost stamina, which vet sometimes s...
I think stamina is fine with a little investment if you're not running deadshot gun juice
light ore
those are the differences
frank ether
it helps that vet gets some nodes for it at least
keen wolf
Cotton, I'm talking about the knife, not the sword.
low yacht
I mean collateral is a good perk.
frank ether
but whoever that guy was that suggested swapping survivalist with stamina flavored aura
light ore
vet can invest to make their stamina not suck yes
frank ether
I kinda like that idea
low yacht
The higher the collateral the higher the cc on big targets.
frank ether
I want survivalist to be nerfed back to scav and be buried under left tree as a vet only talent
low yacht
No
keen wolf
@light ore thanks for the tips man
low yacht
Survivalist is fine where it is.
frank ether
besides I dont like them
keen wolf
there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of diff between the two knives
light ore
np
frank ether
I take fireteam out of pure vitriol
low yacht
If your zealot is using all the ammo they're just a shitty team mate.
You can call them out.
And vote kick themm
trim steppe
Survivalist is fine where it is.
It's fine in that there's literally no reason to take any other choice except to save talent points
frank ether
you cant just kick anyone in an online game you dont like
frank ether
you can initiate a votekick and hope your ogryn who is currently probably watching pokemane on the other monitor notices it
low yacht
Most ogryns I have save my ass.
mystic owl
We don't talk badly about Ogryns here 
frank ether
hey, I'm not complaining
low yacht
Ogryns save me more then anyone else other then my veterans.
frank ether
every class has a playstyle you can play blindfolded anyways
junior needle
mk 6 has slighty better horde clear
Depends on if you're using light attacks to clear, which is what I see most knife users doing. From that angle, knife 3 has strictly better lights due to one of the attacks in the chain having higher damage.
Light attacks for all models strangely have the same cleave values. But if you use consistent horizontal heavies on the knife 6 you get better chaffe clear.
low yacht
It's not mindless.
frank ether
knife zealot is genuine skill issue of randoms at play
its not a weak build
and its... not that hard to do ok with either
its not some tremendeously difficult playstyle
low yacht
When I use knife I don't use invisible.
junior needle
If your zealot is using all the ammo they're just a shitty team mate.
It's typically not the zealots using all the ammo. Either ogryns or recon vets.
low yacht
I enjoy dodging constantly.
frank ether
It's typically not the zealots using all the ammo. Either ogryns or recon vets.
when I see glugger in lobby I swap to melee vet lmao
low yacht
The dodging constantly is fun.
trim steppe
its not some tremendeously difficult playstyle
It's only difficult for them to have 50% more move speed than the team and not run off to die 100m from everyone else
low yacht
I use boltgun and don't use that much ammo
frank ether
It's only difficult for them to have 50% more move speed than the team and not r...
see thats the thing
you can very easily
recover out of bad situations
cos you have a knife
junior needle
I still see IAG vets shooting into melee chaffe but they at least have much better ammo economy
low yacht
Because I have a eviscerator so maybe that.
frank ether
just heavy spam your way away back to your team
mystic owl
It is a pain in the arse when someone thinks all the ammo is theirs and they're just running around shooting trash mobs 💀
frank ether
its that shrimple
light ore
i have never seen the famous knife zealot meme in 600 hours of playtime
trim steppe
I'm one of the trash shooters these days cuz I play mostly for melk bucks, and i always need ranged kills
light ore
i once WAS the knife zealot meme for precisely one match, but that's it
low yacht
I'm a eviscerator zealots
frank ether
I think if you're investing heavily into ranged you deserve to have some ammo sustain guaranteed
regardless of packs
low yacht
To be honest the only time you do that is penance.
light ore
ran ahead and got jumped by a dog
frank ether
tying the entire thing to packs your random ass teammate may or may not share is asking for problems
light ore
MY HUBRIS
mystic owl
Like me Maul and hammer/chainaxe on my zealot
trim steppe
Who needs ammo conservation when you have scav
low yacht
Hard-core players who use bleed.
terse idol
You can't expect to shoot everything.
If youre building a range build, like imo
You should have ways to get ammo back naturally
frank ether
50/50 usually
you get occasional ogryn/vet player who only shoots
thats the stereotype
terse idol
Like, a Ia lasgun with shock trooper survivalist is never gonna run out of ammo
frank ether
and its horrible to have
its not like thats a good strategy it sucks for the other teammates lmao
low yacht
To be honest veteran is supposed to be a specialist.
junior needle
It is a pain in the arse when someone thinks all the ammo is theirs and they're ...
And then get very mad if you politely ask them to not do that. I desperately wish I had ammo taken enabled for this match.
low yacht
Less then one single clsss.
light ore
fat nerd
trim steppe
I shoot everything that isn't groaners so I can complete ranged contracts
low yacht
All veterans are specialists typically.
frank ether
To be honest veteran is supposed to be a specialist.
sharpshooter veteran yes, but the questionable part is sharing that ammo regen with all the other teammates who didn't make any build sacrifices for it
to me thats the issue
terse idol
Less then one single clsss.
Truly though, FS ran it back on the skill tree redesign and it hurt
I kinda wished Vet specialized MORE
low yacht
A specialist is someone who specializes in a specific class.
terse idol
Kinda
low yacht
And veterans the guard are filled with specialist.
terse idol
The issue being some keystones are just not good for the intended roll they advertise
trim steppe
At least they make demo specialist only give the vet nades instead of the whole team
That shit was crazy lol
light ore
i think that vet should be forced to roll around in a wheelchair like the start of wolfenstien
terse idol
cough MF
terse idol
i think that vet should be forced to roll around in a wheelchair like the start ...
Level 1 vet feels like that tbh
frank ether
At least they make demo specialist only give the vet nades instead of the whole ...
they just have to do that for survivalist now
replace it with some stamina juice aura for deadshot synergy
low yacht
Veterans have the mental trauma.
crude ermine
Time to decide this things fate
terse idol
Veterans have the mental trauma.
*mental illness 😌
low yacht
And are scarred by the warp.
placid portal
As they should
frank ether
you know what the entire left tree lacks? stamina juice.
mystic owl
Always take melee contract over the ranged ones, myself. Always such a pain to complete. Fine if I'm on psyker though because void staff 
terse idol
And are scarred by the warp.
Thats just PTSD
trim steppe
they just have to do that for survivalist now
Ya I think that'd be cool. It'd leave the signature move alone while making it less mandatory. Great idea
low yacht
The warp creates scars and I don't mean ptsd.
I mean physical wounds.
That appear upon your skin.
placid portal
you know what the entire left tree lacks? stamina juice.
Deadshot users needing to go right tree to gain stamina
frank ether
Ya I think that'd be cool. It'd leave the signature move alone while making it l...
would also make the other auras instantly more attractive because competing with survivalist just not gonna bode well
placid portal
trim steppe
Time to decide this things fate
Good luck soldier
crude ermine
Ok I can make this work
frank ether
Deadshot users needing to go right tree to gain stamina
yeah and its only the left path keystone that doesnt have a stamina return synergy
terse idol
That appear upon your skin.
Uhm just dont pick scars 🤓
placid portal
Ok I can make this work
ye
terse idol
No I'm memeing but
terse idol
yeah and its only the left path keystone that doesnt have a stamina return syner...
Imagine MF giving stamina and feeding into deadshot
Lawd
low yacht
If you don't have scars are you truly living?
placid portal
yeah and its only the left path keystone that doesnt have a stamina return syner...
yuo see, the 3 branches affect stamina so it's more than enough
-FS
frank ether
I mean the thing with full auto is your stamina upkeep is also higher on those guns
low yacht
There is so many stamina perks you have to stack onto this.
You have to make sacrifices that is the point.
light ore
if there was a vet talent that was just "a random trash shooter follows you around at all times and can't die"
i would unironically take it every time
feed me stamina and crit procs
frank ether
but vet has a hidden passive
low yacht
Resource management is important in a team game
frank ether
using exec has a percentage change to teleport a random bruiser behind you
low yacht
You cannot be expected to be handed everything.
placid portal
using exec has a percentage change to teleport a random bruiser behind you
or a mutie
Now your Exe stance is insta denies
frank ether
who also makes no sound till you go in ADS
trim steppe
Tonight I was facing down a pack of 12 ragers. Killed 6, went to dodge backwards and didn't move. Got fucking GANKED and then laying there on the floor saw a single groaner poking my ass and blocking me
frank ether
Now your Exe stance is insta denies
how do you think I killed a mouse cable lmao
low yacht
Maulers aren't that bad.
light ore
Tonight I was facing down a pack of 12 ragers. Killed 6, went to dodge backwards...
the crusher overhead didn't kill me, the box that blocked my dodge did
terse eagle
i dont know much about 40k weapons if vet got a machine gun what would it be?
frank ether
its not impossible for enemies to phase into walls either so I'm not too far off
placid portal
a stubba
low yacht
You're not convinced they're in the walls.
terse idol
if there was a vet talent that was just "a random trash shooter follows you arou...
I would protect them with my life
low yacht
They're in the trees, they're behind you.
tall torrent
Now your Exe stance is insta denies
Helbore bayonet kills can refresh exe stance
rigid whale
but vet has a hidden passive
cover fire is the most random-ass passive for a single character to have
low yacht
Warhammer just feels like Vietnam sometimes.
frank ether
i dont know much about 40k weapons if vet got a machine gun what would it be?
you have the ballistic one used by dreg gunners and also in the vet talent tree illustration art
frank ether
and scab gunners I think use a hellgun?
placid portal
tall torrent
If u stab & kill a highlighted target, exe stance gets refreshed
But exe stance has no effect on the bayonet
low yacht
Nothing like urban warfare.
frank ether
If u stab & kill a highlighted target, exe stance gets refreshed
well its a nice gesture that it even refreshes exec
see if we got the version of the game with weapon customization
you could slap bayo on more guns
and then exec melee cancel would cease to be a problem
tho I agree with ppl that exec has some complexity and thats cool
just need to ease back on it a bit maybe
terse idol
Nothing like urban warfare.
It ain't forested warfare to be fair
It isss more urban
Nothing is ever waiting for us
Me as I am bad at parties
placid portal
Swapping to melee after exec stance activates should trigger Ability cooldown recovery speed buff on the duration of remaining buff
light ore
the thought of a bayo vraks is actually making me salivate
terse idol
It aint nam
low yacht
Things are waiting for us though.
frank ether
the thought of a bayo vraks is actually making me salivate
give me a bayo vraks 3
I'd love that
placid portal
Finally
low yacht
In reality there would be razor wire everywhere
placid portal
bayonets on infantry lasguns
frank ether
I also appreciate the weapon slam animation they did for vraks a while back but
it doesnt do enough
the game is far too fast for that to be useful
light ore
i just cheat and replace it wish flashlight
frank ether
and exec demands constant kills
frank ether
i just cheat and replace it wish flashlight
nothing of value is lost aside from good animator work
trim steppe
It's a shame that most ranged weapon special attacks are useless. I've used the stock smack attack like 5 times in hundreds of missions
low yacht
Flashlight is terrible
trim steppe
Flashlight is amazing on lights out
frank ether
lmao
light ore
moron over here crutching with eyes
frank ether
its a pretty strong stun but I'm not taking my chances with ragers on that
light ore
just sniff out the heretics
trim steppe
Why stun when you can kill
frank ether
real gamers, use psyker as a flashlight
low yacht
Imagine using a flashlight when you have eyes.
frank ether
fr tho I'd love a rework to lights out
low yacht
I have nightvision naturally
frank ether
where you have to avoid standing in the light
light ore
on lights out i use trauma staff like a seeing eye dog
trim steppe
Lights out in this game is legit scary, one of the darkest "dark" settings I've seen in a game
frank ether
I can make it daylight by fucking my monitors contrast
it takes like two buttons
but would rather not play
cause that feels cheap
low yacht
Yeah I just turn my brightness up.
low yacht
Because I am blind.
frank ether
hang on I almost forgot I was supposed to get my r*con rated
frank ether
@junior needle rate it plox
visual remnant
Recon lasgun..
frank ether
359 base? TRASH
hadron bricked all of the above 360 ones
trim steppe
I have a super nice 6d I'll have to post later. It's gathering dust waiting for FS to decide to let enjoy using it again
junior needle
<@161941113240813569> rate it plox
Looks good, you could consider 5% crit over maniac but both setups work. Thankfully you're not running stripped down/infernus.
visual remnant
Crit over maniacs
junior needle
I've seen the sicknasty carapace damage/crafted crit damage, stripped down infernus lasgun
trim steppe
Looks good, you could consider 5% crit over maniac but both setups work. Thankfu...
What would ideal perks be? Crit chance and flak or something else
frank ether
Looks good, you could consider 5% crit over maniac but both setups work. Thankfu...
I'm secretly hoping they buff its maniac damage a bit
but thats copium
its mostly for ragers and crit would probably do more work
junior needle
What would ideal perks be? Crit chance and flak or something else
flak/maniac or 5% crit and either flak or maniac. Crit is for infernus/shocktrooper synergy. If you're going dumdum I wouldn't go for crit chance and do damage perks instead.
trim steppe
Still can't believe that FS immediately nerfed recon both times it showed any sort of promise. Like wtf FS you put it in the weapon pool, why do you hate it so much?
frank ether
I have a super nice 6d I'll have to post later. It's gathering dust waiting for ...
vet chat been teased with recon revival multiple times at this point
placid portal
junior needle
vet chat been teased with recon revival multiple times at this point
One of the playtesters went was like "Oh there's a build in the next patch recon enjoyers will be very happy with" and then it's nothing specific to them
fallen fiber
Anyone a fan of the Achlys?
junior needle
The talent tree got reshuffled to be better for everything
Achlys is generally considered the worst caxe with more effort required for less value
frank ether
One of the playtesters went was like "Oh there's a build in the next patch recon...
I'm still pondering about what they really meant
because I dont see it
did it happen and I just didnt get it
or was it one of those cancelled things
junior needle
I'm still pondering about what they really meant
I assume because it was now feasible point wise to grab rending strikes and onslaught without dedicating all your points to it
frank ether
oh yea
bitter turtle
One of the playtesters went was like "Oh there's a build in the next patch recon...
im still holding it against that mod
junior needle
im still holding it against that mod
It was a different guy and a different patch. The mod was saying the 6d would still be good post patch.
(It's not)
placid portal
Gotta admit, Lucius Mk3 Exe stance with vent purge Sniper Gauntlet do be hilarious
trim steppe
With rending on onslaught, now you can ignore armor and still deal only 5dps cuz the recon is balls
placid portal
recon dealing double didgit damage is hilarious
frank ether
just use mk4 with automod tbh
placid portal
^^^
junior needle
Rending mk2 recon
placid portal
mk4 Infantry Las is effectively a Recon
junior needle
Behold
placid portal
bitter turtle
It was a different guy and a different patch. The mod was saying the 6d would st...
oh
tiny summit
Have the least amount of time with mk3. Do you even need to charge for snipers and riflemen? Pretty sure tap fire can dome the lot
bitter turtle
i thought you meant the patch that nerfed the dmg inverse falloff
frank ether
mg4 doesnt pen carapace but the thing is
recon does and it doesnt matter
lmao
you still shoot a crusher for like 3 seconds straight
cinder wadi
Is this viable for Damnation/auric?
junior needle
It's 465 without the rending nodes
placid portal
tiny summit
It's plasma. Yes
junior needle
689 with both rending nodes
bitter turtle
Is this viable for Damnation/auric?
its a plasma
bitter turtle
it could be grey and it would be viable
trim steppe
Is this viable for Damnation/auric?
Yup that's the best gun in the game. You're good
junior needle
Is this viable for Damnation/auric?
Change both perks, you ideally want a bit more in the damage stats.
cinder wadi
Wait is plasma dat good?
placid portal
I'm waiting for someone to say ''but you didnt take longshot/precision'' <:KEKW_...
nah he's not in ideal range
frank ether
nah he's not in ideal range
thats the joke
bitter turtle
:^)
trim steppe
Wait is plasma dat good?
Plasma is legit the most op gun period. Just spam left clicks and avoid wasting all your ammo and heat with charged shots
placid portal
and uncharged shots should blow yourself up
cinder wadi
oh I see
frank ether
I'm pondering the guy from like a month ago
junior needle
I'm waiting for someone to say ''but you didnt take longshot/precision'' <:KEKW_...
Well it is a "baseline" damage showcase, that would be the point. My favorite question is "why are you shooting a mutie you're supposed to melee those :^)"
cinder wadi
nvm then xd
frank ether
I remember the dude saying this test is unrealistic cos you shoot them in the back when you could just melee
but whats the finesse of recon
trim steppe
oh I see
Also yours is good, gets hot is the best blessing and blaze away is also great. Roll your perks to like unyielding/carapace or something and you're golden
frank ether
or brautos
junior needle
is it even gonna make a diff if you were headshotting
Barely, especially considering their low baseline performance. Here you go: #veteran-class message
Once you mix in headshots, recons lose even harder
junior needle
On a gun with already low damage for its ammo use
frank ether
Its just no go for maniac
junior needle
You've probably seen my ciag videos, I don't think I need to post those again
junior needle
Its just no go for maniac
No go for everything, and the problem isn't just the modifiers.
tiny summit
No go for everything, and the problem isn't just the modifiers.
God how did they think this was fine
tiny summit
You've probably seen my ciag videos, I don't think I need to post those again
Restraint?
trim steppe
God how did they think this was fine
It's a great change if your goal is to make sure the gun isn't fun, which is what their goal appears to be
junior needle
Restraint?
frank ether
lul
trim steppe
It's like when recon infernus builds were fun because you could burn things to death. Then Fatshark saw that people were using the recon so they halved the number of burn stacks you could apply, killing the gun
Can't be having fun in here
junior needle
The burn used to stack infinitely on release
tiny summit
Recons I feel should definitely deal more dmg at range to carve a niche between IAGs and them.
trim steppe
So it wasn't just halved
Even better lmao
tiny summit
Does ogryn Blaze Away have a stack limit?
sonic marlin
first auric mission kek
junior needle
Does ogryn Blaze Away have a stack limit?
If you mean the fire talent for pbb, 31.
tiny summit
first auric mission kek
MVP DeathBySnuSnu
frank ether
I'll use agri HH for a single game
I dont think I have seen a single player use or talk about this beyond vet chat when I last brough it up
sonic marlin
How would you guys change the build
tall torrent
first auric mission kek
Is that auric heresy
trim steppe
MVP DeathBySnuSnu
DeathBySnuSnu picked up no resources so the rest of his score is invalid
tall torrent
How would you guys change the build
Which weapons are u using
frank ether
How would you guys change the build
seems fine without knowing the guns
sonic marlin
columns mk5 and power sword mk6
tall torrent
how do you know
Add up the resources collected
Damnation should have at least 600+ lol
sonic marlin
Yeah lately it seems like it's always only me picking stuff up, even when I'm far away and someone else is next to a resource I ping it and they ignore it
zealous wyvern
new chemdog veteran and krieg veteran look really good on the same team
i recommend chemdog teammates
tall torrent
If only the chemdog coat collars didn’t clip into like every fucking headpiece ever
The coat itself looks great tho
but this looks so cursed
tall torrent
Ur chin clips through the collars
tall torrent
Yea
trim steppe
how do you know
I could tell cuz the total boss damage dealt was low by about 15k
tall torrent
And it’s every headpiece
native hamlet
tis but a flesh wound
tall torrent
Scion helm’s rebreather tube is near-permanently clipping through the collars
crude ermine
Fun
crude ermine
I love it when everyone goes down every horde wave involving our orgyn's
crude ermine
I love how he fucking walks towards a sniper with melee while stepping on the DH's foot
tall torrent
then there's also this
crude ermine
I love them taking bad routes and leading to bombers and flamer's capitalizing on the fuckup
zealous wyvern
so the intended headpiece clips with it?
zealous wyvern
that is very unfortunate
tall torrent
In some way
trim steppe
GoopGal is doing you a favor by letting you farm revives
tiny summit
GoopGal needs to stay away from the goop
crude ermine
One of our orgyn's didn't push the burster and caused her to lose health
Thankfully I shouted to save some of the little health she had left
trim steppe
GoopGal needs to stay away from the goop
Her name isn't GoopfreeGal...
tall torrent
that is very unfortunate
At least they acknowledged the post I made on FS Forums abt this
Alongside the new Cadian veteran upper body piece having weird muscle rendering issues through clothing
zealous wyvern
i hope they one day give me back my respirator box
sonic marlin
Is it possible to effectively counter Deadshot?
zealous wyvern
all they had to do was downsize it overall a little, not make it flat but still too wide
tall torrent
i hope they one day give me back my respirator box
I think that’s already been acknowledged in one of the posts if the Krieg coat is what ur talking abt
tall torrent
Is it possible to effectively counter Deadshot?
Run 3x +3 stamina and duck & dive
zealous wyvern
i hate the pancake look
tall torrent
You need stuff to regain stamina and to slow down how fast deadshot burns ur stamina bar
sonic marlin
trophy hunter best chest armor
tall torrent
trophy hunter best chest armor
Doesn’t fit that well with scion helm tho
sonic marlin
Yeah not really but I like the glowy eyes
tall torrent
Cadian armor / savlar coat both fit scion helm
sonic marlin
Run 3x +3 stamina and duck & dive
you mean stam regen or main stat? Like stamina instead of toughness?
tall torrent
you mean stam regen or main stat? Like stamina instead of toughness?
You need both extra stamina regen as well as loads of extra stamina
sonic marlin
that sounds like a big price to pay
tall torrent
Well you’re playing deadshot with Columnus so yes
sonic marlin
does anyone even do that
tall torrent
Most people don’t play deadshot with Columnus
sonic marlin
what is it used with then
tiny summit
How would you guys change the build
I don't take deadshot and like Catch A Breath more than Get Back in the Fight. Regening toughness quickly while being plinked at is great
sonic marlin
So what do I use for columnus then, or do i get another gun if i wanna keep using deadshot?
tall torrent
what is it used with then
Usually with rending
trim steppe
I don't take deadshot and like Catch A Breath more than Get Back in the Fight. R...
You have a very different experience from me. I find it's uptime to be super super low since there's always some trash mob trying to poke me
And 8m is huge
tiny summit
I find I can have Catch A Breath and Kill Zone active a lot of times
Maybe record a game and go through it and see how much you actually have it actively
sonic marlin
well i basically don't ads most of the time and save Deadshot for elite enemies
tall torrent
is that a talent tree node?
Yes
tiny summit
There's 10% rending above focus target
sonic marlin
just this? I have that
tall torrent
Onslaught is also good
tiny summit
Monstronsity dmg is good too
sonic marlin
Onslaught is also good
yeah i had that before in my build
idk what to get rid of tho
would need to have it like this, but i wanted that +25% ammo
tall torrent
would need to have it like this, but i wanted that +25% ammo
Why do u need all the keystone modifiers
sonic marlin
Because they are good?
tall torrent
Only 2 are good
8 stacks is usually not needed
Unless you’re somehow specifically missing 4.5% dmg to hit a breakpoint
Which you’re not, using a Columnus
rigid pilot
Fatshark Twitter really recommending laspistol + knife
rigid pilot
would need to have it like this, but i wanted that +25% ammo
Drop right side top
sonic marlin
Only 2 are good
this is what i was told last time about my build, thats why i took the rest of keystone modifiers
sonic marlin
Drop right side top
whats wrong with toughness on kill
rigid pilot
You wanted ammo right
tall torrent
whats wrong with toughness on kill
You usually don’t need it
It’s funny but you usually won’t need it
rigid pilot
It's nice but it's about opportunity costs
sonic marlin
so should i leave it like this
tall torrent
this is what i was told last time about my build, thats why i took the rest of k...
Most of the time the extra 3 stacks to gain redirect fire dmg (4.5% extra) won’t be majorly impactful
rigid pilot
Weakspot damage is
I guess it's the best in that row though
Unless you want suppressio. Immunity which can be nice
sonic marlin
isn't weakspot dmg important
rigid pilot
It only affects the weakspot modifier
sonic marlin
idk whats suppresion
rigid pilot
Well I guess you can go with weakspot then
tall torrent
Weakspot damage is <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
For Columnus it’s good
It’s good for like almost everything tbh, very generalist node
sonic marlin
I thought about using a different autogun, maybe less fr more dmg would work better?
tall torrent
I thought about using a different autogun, maybe less fr more dmg would work bet...
It’s good for Columnus
sonic marlin
since i won't be using deadshot anymore, idk if i would need stam regen that much, what should i switch it for
tall torrent
so should i leave it like this
I’d drop 8 stacks for 15% elite dmg
tall torrent
That build works
sonic marlin
thanks
sharp ember
since i won't be using deadshot anymore, idk if i would need stam regen that muc...
i still like stam regen if you wade into melee willingly, otherwise i like sniper resist or toughness regen speed
sonic marlin
im so aware of snipers that i get hit once in like 15 games, might try the toughness regen speed
polar kayak
it's bad when i do damnation and i'm the top DPS, high risk of failing mission 
sonic marlin
if I wanna sprint forever what do i do, stam regen or sprint eff?
tall torrent
Triple sprint efficiency + vanguard talent
tall torrent
You have 65% sprint efficiency that way
crude ermine
Bleehh
sharp ember
i do like the farming shotgun
tall torrent
And build loads of extra stamina
Also get both stamina regen boost nodes
Duck & dive as well
sonic marlin
You have 65% sprint efficiency that way
what do i get rid of in my build tho, Redirect fire?
tall torrent
what do i get rid of in my build tho, Redirect fire?
No, idk if you can’t tell if I’m trolling but you really should not build this way
sonic marlin
ok too much investment
sharp ember
if I wanna sprint forever what do i do, stam regen or sprint eff?
sprint eff. goes up to 20%, so you would slide into melee with more stamina remaining
whilst stam regen just lets you bounce back more quickly and is more useful in melee (in longer engagements)
sonic marlin
yeah i meant it as a little qol stuff, not difrect my build for sprint lol
crude ermine
i do like the farming shotgun
Can't be bothered to spell the name so I treat it like Robert gihllyman
tall torrent
You can run a sprint efficiency perk on curio if u rly need it
sharp ember
i agree it'd be better to put it on a curio in order to save a talent point
crude ermine
Bruh
sonic marlin
you don't reset ur missions until they all give you 500+?
frank ether
waste for a currency very rarely useful
sonic marlin
i mostly get it after few resets until cost gets too high
tall torrent
you don't reset ur missions until they all give you 500+?
Just change the contracts to stuff that aren’t hassles to do
low kelp
Running a hellbore ranged build and struggling with the draw time on my power sword swapping back to it. Any good recommedations on an alternative?
I don't like the shovel, considered checking out dagger
tall torrent
Running a hellbore ranged build and struggling with the draw time on my power sw...
Yea, use the bayonet to kill stuff
Unless you’re using mk3 helbore
low kelp
Is it good without the brutal momentum exploit?