veteran-class

[dire olive]

Gotta pair bleed with brittleness for crushers

[untold mulch]

hmmm

[dusty sluice]

i use ht and slaughter for new chaxe mostly

[civic knot]

So you would run thrust with headtaker?

[civic knot]

This makes it pretty inefficient for crushers compared to running thrust with headtaker

[dire olive]

Yeah

Slaughterer+ HT is fine for general mob clearing and squishier elites

[civic knot]

Headtaker doesn't help a lot with bloodletter tho??

[civic knot]

I do fine with just HT by itself

It's hella versatile, easy as hell to proc and helps with boss and ogryn damage

[frank ether]

its good

[dusty sluice]

huh

[dire olive]

I was referring the the aroace furry

[dusty sluice]

its much better on zealot tbh

[dire olive]

TBF if a crusher patrol is the only thing in your way that's not really gonna work

[strange grove]

yea you might eat other overheads

[civic knot]

The time you just spent killing horde when crushers are coming to you is time you dont have in a match. You need to be prioritizing killing the crushers if your teammate(s) cant handle them alone. "Oh look 6 crushers running toward me with intent to kill, let me just spend 10 seconds going horde killing to proc my blessings". Dont work like that

If you do that youre dying

[strange grove]

krak grenades go boom

[civic knot]

this tbh

[dusty sluice]

true, but occasionally you'll be in a horde when you getting attacked by crushers

[junior needle]

pops stealth

Not my problem.

[dusty sluice]

not always

but sometimes

[dire olive]

Shovel go flip

[frank ether]

that axe is fine

you dont have to change anything

[bitter turtle]

in practice

u usualy have the headtaker stacks by hte time the crushers roll around

tbh

[civic knot]

that axe is not meant to be killing hordes. Its basically pure single target. Use headtaker to proc for bosses and ogryn and thrust for big PP damage

[bitter turtle]

i mean honestly, if there is no horde and only 6 crushers, then they are a joke anyway

[dire olive]

That setup is still good TBF it's just not as strong in that specific niche

[frank ether]

its heavies are cleave wdym

[civic knot]

The other chain axe is a whole other deal tho

[untold mulch]

[dusty sluice]

but yeah, both power blessings do much better on zealot

[civic knot]

they get you stuck to enemies, imobilizing you when you should be dodging basically all the time

[frank ether]

brother

have you ever

heavy attacked

its cleave

[dusty sluice]

are you perhaps getting the chaxes mixed up?

[civic knot]

dont they rev up on the old one so you get stuck tho?

[frank ether]

thats only lights

[dire olive]

Old one lights stick
New one heavies stick

[civic knot]

wait wtf which axe is he using?? this image looks like old one

[bitter turtle]

mk4 is the old one, no?

and yes

the heavies dont stick

im literally testing it rn

[civic knot]

dude

we are talking about the one old in your picture

[dusty sluice]

the one in the image is the old one, the one in the video is the new one

[untold mulch]

Vet to Vet communication

[civic knot]

I never talked down on new one so why are you using a clip of that to prove a point??

[dusty sluice]

huh

[frank ether]

Imma go play some chaxe I guess

[civic knot]

yikes

whatever

[dusty sluice]

ok you've made me confused now lmao

[hard parcel]

Seeing all of this talk about the chain Axe makes me want to try it out

[untold mulch]

Requesting new shipment of crayons
#veteran-class has run out of

[civic knot]

no its my fault, missed that u said "new" chainaxe. Thought u still were talking about the old one

[civic knot]

use the new one, its way better

[dusty sluice]

ah, fair

[hard parcel]

Then again I have become way to accustomed to the Devil Claw sword

[civic knot]

xD

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/rub-kitty-cute-kitty-pat-kitty-cat-cattow-gif-21375767

[civic knot]

Just know that if you want new chainaxe to be remotely good against hordes you need either weapon specialist + finesse talent + trench fighter drill or the 10% melee damage node

[untold mulch]

and peace reigned once more

Until someone says anything about Recon or VoC again

[dusty sluice]

real

[frank ether]

I'm really tempted to try the potato graphics thing

[untold mulch]

hm?

wdym

[dusty sluice]

i bet hellgun will be worse than recon when we get it

[frank ether]

its bizarre that zealots use this instead of vet mains

cause the visibility boost is insane

not to mention fps

[dire olive]

"Oh boy I love my brown infernus recon"

[hard parcel]

Man and I really like the look of the Recon Lasgun too, sucks that it sucks

[civic knot]

or run both of the horde power blessings: HT and slaughterer

[untold mulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/470364062824398858/1082431700501528700/TheLastRavenExperience.gif?width=653&height=459

[frank ether]

https://streamable.com/0squ0f

[untold mulch]

my honest reaction when that idea crsosse my mind

[frank ether]

look at those quake 2 ass graphics

actually kinda cute

[dusty sluice]

noooo

[untold mulch]

LOL

[civic knot]

Deserved for heretifying this games graphics

[untold mulch]

I NEED IT

[civic knot]

[untold mulch]

[frank ether]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/49

[untold mulch]

Looks like those prototypes that play out with Devs talking proudly of their work

[untold mulch]

On it

[hard parcel]

Kind of like the way it looks.

[frank ether]

btw

I dont know how safe this is

as I havent yet used it

[untold mulch]

safe in what sense?

[frank ether]

zealot chat told me it makes flames invisible without changing some stuff in the .ini

[untold mulch]

oh

[frank ether]

because its as potato as it gets

[untold mulch]

Damn

Will try on a t4 or something

[bitter turtle]

that's too sweaty for me

i like having graphics

[untold mulch]

I jsut want to test the game at 60fps and also funni graphics

[bitter turtle]

I didnt sign up for polygontide

[untold mulch]

Log in
Try to get a shovel
Bricked
altf4

[rigid whale]

what kind of shovel

[untold mulch]

MK3

Got thrust, but got stamina and sprit eff as perks

tbh, I could probably deal with one bad perk, but fuck it, I am so tired of the crafting

[rigid whale]

i have a pretty good standard issue shovel on vet rn

[fresh grail]

what the hell are these modifiers

i make it good and keep it in inventory till the bolter gets blessed by fatshark

[agile forge]

You have a turret

[balmy flume]

3 more investigates.
Then I finally have that other dangly unlocked.

[stoic jetty]

This is probably a dumb question, but if you're not using charged shots with a plasma gun, is charge rate the obv dump stat?

[untold mulch]

I heard still affects the firing of normal shot

like the damage bug was fixed, but still maybe you will notice a delay on shots

got no hard numbers though, and if you can deal with it, I would say yes, go for it

[dusty sluice]

farming blessings and i get this lmao

[untold mulch]

DAMN

[dusty sluice]

the one time i don't want good gear

ok chsword rampage time

[wanton dawn]

Dont worry hadron can still ruin it

[dusty sluice]

LMAO

[flint arrow]

im erect

[wet elk]

damn melk is cooking

[muted knot]

Groaners to flak TF to Dum Dum

Bangs

[umbral scaffold]

ngl, Lasgun weak spot/infernus builds are the bees knees

Been using a Las Pistol with Infernus IV and Dum Dum IV, executioners stance and focus fire; absolutely rips through everything. And barely use any ammo cause the weak spot hits don't consume ammo

[terse idol]

The delay is seemingly very small

*now I don't know the math&

But like, considering the left click has a fixed maxed "charge" of like 0.25?
I don't remeber the number exactly but it is in the miliseconds

[untold mulch]

Then that

Doesn't matteer

[terse idol]

I di think charge rate is the dump stat

Yeah

[untold mulch]

10 shovels

no decimator

[cloud leaf]

Wrong it's crits that don't take ammo not weak spot

[strange grove]

why are all my best builds no keystone?

[odd sparrow]

Charge rate also affects regular shots. But the difference isnt that big from say 40-80%

[odd sparrow]

Bc vet keystones arent necessary. A lot of vets dmg and tankiness options come from nodes and the keystones are just a little sugar on top if it doesnt particularlt synergize with your weapons/build

[strange grove]

This is what I'm using, 210 toughness lol https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b317ac4-e0bd-4b51-bdb0-bad3150d24ef/all-rounder-auric-damn-build

[terse idol]

Well I gotta ask, how did ya determine it?
Did ya math it out?

Focus target is like

Just free damage

[rigid whale]

none of vet's keystones are amazing

wep specialist is great for shotguns and melee builds though

[terse idol]

I beg to differ

[strange grove]

with agribrauto focus target is a waste due to how fast you destroy elites in close range

[terse idol]

Weapon spec is one of the great keystones for revolver + melee

<@&735928989146939404>

Scam alert

[rigid whale]

poor guy got hacked 😔

[terse idol]

And what's it...

[strange grove]

Hey I love clicking on strange links in Russian

[terse idol]

Focus target on 8 stacks is technically 32% damage, for your entire team

And yourself

[strange grove]

focus target only good for bosses imo, shit should be dying super fast anyways

[terse idol]

I dunno I'm not convinced about the no keystone gaming imo, I get it, vets get some strong nodes

[strange grove]

❤️

brauto

and ps6

[terse idol]

Well you can just also give extra damage to you and your team

Personally I don't see a reason to skip out on focus target oorr weapon spec

And only because focus target is that universal AND

[strange grove]

weapon spec only good for revolvers and shotguns, fite me

[terse idol]

Auric damnation >spawns are sometimes weakened monstrosities

Its prettyy mandatory

[strange grove]

maelstrom

[tawny badger]

hey vets how’s it hanging

[strange grove]

sideways

[odd sparrow]

Focus target doesnt theoretically matter against regular enemies if your team is optimized they should already hit their 1-2 shot BPs on most weapons and focus target will rarely make the difference

[tawny badger]

guh

[terse idol]

Its free 10% and auric damn modifiers will often have those tanky enemies

[odd sparrow]

But in practice it still helps a bit

[strange grove]

This is a better way to put what I said earlier lol

[terse idol]

Second, it could reduce the time to kill a crusher but eh

Again more relevant on auric damn

Its just flat damage

[odd sparrow]

Not exactly free if it costs 3 points for you to reach it on the tree. Which could be spent elsewhere to make you reach BPs or make you more selfreliant

[terse idol]

You should only need like

Weakpoint, + elite, + monstrosities

To meet Bp's

Or all those 3 + melee damage node

That will give you most BP"#

Barring like

Rending

[fossil basalt]

Keystones are worth it if you're already going right up to where you can grab them already

[terse idol]

So at most 5 nodes

To meet BP's

[fossil basalt]

Or making a build around it

[rigid whale]

should i go stealth vet or marksman vet today

[tawny badger]

marksman vet

[strange grove]

shout vet

[tawny badger]

get yourself tunnel vision today

[terse idol]

So I do firmly believe at minimum you take focus target imo

[terse idol]

[rigid whale]

naw

doing marksman vet with a columnus braced autogun today

[odd sparrow]

Anyways i still use keystones on nearly every build so im not that invested in this.

Only one im not is bolter because that fucker needs so many points to hit every BP i want

[terse idol]

which focus target would give ya

I'm just being cheeky

[tawny badger]

focus target poxwalker

[terse idol]

But focus target on a bolter makes perfect sense

[terse idol]

Its the most generalist keystone to make up BP's

[untold mulch]

I say the tag one once you get used

is good

The rest, well

[odd sparrow]

God i want them to buff bolter so badly. Hope they increase cleave or just a small flat damage increase. Because right now it does 1100-1200 on headshot, against dreg gunners out of the 1400 required

[terse idol]

Ya take unarmoured yet?

[odd sparrow]

Its just way too clunky and too little payoff for that clunkiness

[dire olive]

it's such an insignificant buff tbh

in the grand scheme of things

[terse idol]

No but yeah did ya take unarmoured

[untold mulch]

Noticiable reduces time to kill

The toughness node is a constant refill to the entire team

[terse idol]

What'cha got

[rigid whale]

i really undervalue the amount of mobility you get from the IAGs

[tawny badger]

I think focus target is only really insignificant when you’re giving no time for the stacks to come back up

[terse idol]

Wait

[tawny badger]

like dang stop spam pinging 😭

[odd sparrow]

Of my 2 bolters one has carapace, maniac

The other has flak maniac

[untold mulch]

I still think Weapon Specialist tries too hard to nerf gun synergy

and Weapon Spec tries too hard to play sniper for weapons that really don't need it anymore

[terse idol]

You're you're missing the dredge gunner BP which could be made up with focus target and redirect fire to give you that extra damage

[dire olive]

the real biggest problem with the keystones is Vet has so many banger talents in the lower trees it's better to just grab more of those

[odd sparrow]

Yep

[terse idol]

(Just take focus target and redirect fire and the you'll have the BP though)

Yes bolter is struggling

But if you're telling me you're 100 or 200 damage off a dredge gunner BP and don't take focus target to get the damage boost stack on kill

Like that just sounds like you just didn't take the keystone

Like I honestly think if you're not taking focus target you're kinda ham stringing yourself

[dire olive]

I really miss 30 round bolter with old sustained fire talent

[odd sparrow]

I still reach it depending on range and if competetive urge is up. But regardless of the keystone bolter is just too clunky.

God i miss instant reload

[terse idol]

(Then it isn't a keystone related issue in this caaase)

wheeeze

[dense gyro]

for spamming shots which of these plasmas work better?

[terse idol]

The left

*but you want unarmoured, or + elites,

The perks are... not that good

But flak can chill

[dense gyro]

yeah, the blessings I got on it were glory hunter and shattering impact before I swapped them 💀

[terse idol]

Oh wait sorry, you might want the right because of stopping power

[terse idol]

Glory hunter is okay

[dense gyro]

not an easy choice, why I reached out

[terse idol]

Yeah

I just think the stopping power will help you more

[dense gyro]

i've never gotten much use out of it sadly

gotcha, and it does have a bit higher damage as well

[terse idol]

Yee

[dense gyro]

now that I think about it as well charge probably wont matter if I am just emptying 8 rounds, and the 4th round already hits as hard as a charged shot

[terse idol]

Yeah most pgun usage now a days is just

Left click spam

[dense gyro]

yeah the charge is really unreliable and can leave you vulnerable

[terse idol]

I would say, uh, test out both pguns to see how your mauler BP is looking

[dense gyro]

bp?

[terse idol]

Oh how many shots it takes to kill a mauler with either

[dense gyro]

ah gotcha

[terse idol]

And check to see if it can one tap headshot a scab gunner

[rigid whale]

this build is too slow lol

i miss my graia IAG

[dense gyro]

3 each on a mauler

[dense gyro]

and same on each

[terse idol]

How about crusher?

[dense gyro]

5 for the left, 4 for the right

[terse idol]

Also are you body shoting with the pgun for the flak pgun?

Oh yeah

[dense gyro]

yeah all body shots no executioners stance

for ragers left was 2 for dreg and scab, for right 2 for and 3 for scab

[terse idol]

You should take the right one imo, I'd definetly check your build and do abit more testing but 4 shot crusher is decent, still looking for that 3 shot crusher but eh

Hmmm

[terse idol]

And you're head shotting for the other tests?

[dense gyro]

I can definitely give it atry

[terse idol]

Yeah, all these tests should ideally be no crit, headshots

Besides the mauler

Because you got flak on 1

And right should be headshots for maulers because of SP

[stiff merlin]

is this decent enough?

[dense gyro]

did some with head shots and respeced one thing, left gun was 4 with a head shot and right was 3 with a headshot on a crusher

[terse idol]

I do think there some merit to the 2 shots on both ragers
3 shots on crushers for auric damn is valuable imo

[dense gyro]

im iffy on headshots though due to stuff moving and darktide shot registration being questionable sometimes

[terse idol]

You'll get used to it imo

Pgun especially for crushers means you just

1 tap headshot they fall on their butt and for me the next 2 shots will kill

[dense gyro]

gotcha

so maybe with the caveat of less ammo and no headshot bonus, maybe go for the right one? I am consistently getting 1 shot less to kill (except flak armored ragers) maybe the right option?

[terse idol]

[dense gyro]

decision making is hard

[terse idol]

Are you getting one tap headshots on scab gunners?

[dense gyro]

yeah for both, I can consistenly get a oneshot for the head on scap gunners

[terse idol]

With weakpoint damage and + elite talents on both?

[dense gyro]

and 2 shots for body

[terse idol]

*nod

[dense gyro]

yep

[terse idol]

Then take right imo
Ideally for future pguns, you're looking for Perks: +Elites or, Unarmoured and Maniac
Specifically the unarmoured or + elites to meet the dredge gunner BP which is a 1 tap headshot uncharged,
As it stands +carapace doesn't change your BP on crushers but there are people seeing that right click crits may give a 1 shot headshot on a crusher

[dense gyro]

with both guns on the head (and I full focus stacks) I can one shot a crusher consistenly, and nearly guaranteed for executioners stance

[torn needle]

What's y'alls favorite guns?

[terse idol]

Good yees

Regardless left click is still king

For now

[terse idol]

Lasgun mxii, or the lasgun Ia 😌

[crude ermine]

BOOORRIIIIINH

GET A REEEAAAL GUN

LIKE

Mk7 vraks headhunter

[terse idol]

A WHEEEL GUN

[crude ermine]

REINVENTING THE FUCKING WHEEL

[torn needle]

All of the auto guns are the same gun change my mind

[torn needle]

[terse idol]

[dense gyro]

something I also thought about as well, with the bonus crit chance and gets hot, the crit chance on the second half of the volley is absurd, and with the bonus damage it probably will out dps the left one fairly consistently over the course of the match

[terse idol]

Charge rate is kinda stank imo

I don't think volatile is good

[dense gyro]

yeah not worth investing in it

[crude ermine]

YOU'RE SLOW MOVER

[dense gyro]

hang on gotta flex

[terse idol]

You could probably swap crit chance for like, maniac

Would test would test

[strange grove]

oh I like flexing

[dense gyro]

the only other thing I am thinking of is swapping to a different power sword or chainsword because I frequently get overwhelmed by hordes

🤤

[terse idol]

Psword 6, with pcycler 4

Even a ps3 would fix ya up

[terse idol]

With pc4

[strange grove]

sunder is great too

[dense gyro]

that I do have and brutal momentum

[terse idol]

BM is good enough

[dense gyro]

I should specify that stuff like dreg ragers keep giving me trouble as I can't stagger them and they break my toughness too quickly

[terse idol]

Doesn't sunder/cleave just max out?

[dense gyro]

one of these?

[strange grove]

its good for when you have big bads in the mixed horde tho

[terse idol]

Wait both of those are good

BM at head level should kill ragers pretty fast

Worse case just bring a ranged weapon that can delete ragers

[dense gyro]

it usually does, I just play auric so there tend to be 4/5 on me at a time

[terse idol]

Yeeahh

[dense gyro]

chuckles

[untold mulch]

Okay

two shotting a crusher with shovel is fun

[crude ermine]

Fu too

Oh

[strange grove]

or use energized psword with sunder/pc4 swipe swipe, shout, swipe swipe, boom 4 dead ragers

[dense gyro]

@terse idol confirmed kill+stamina boost or exhilirating take down+health boost?

[terse idol]

BM pc4 with shout shouuuld curb it

[terse idol]

Is confirmed kill the one with cdr on spec kill?

I don't remember the naame

[untold mulch]

wasnt confirmed kill the toughness on elite

[dense gyro]

it gives me replenishment on elite kills on the spot and a few seconds of restored stuff

[untold mulch]

cdr on spec is smth tactical

[terse idol]

Oh yeah that one imo

For pguns

Since you'll be killing so many

It'll stack

[dense gyro]

👍 right

the alternative is for weakspot kills at range I get some replenishment and toughness damage reduction

[terse idol]

Longshot? It'll help you meet soome BP's

The infinite struggle

[crude ermine]

Sisyphus

One must...one must imagine..yeah idk where I'm going with this

[torn needle]

What perks are good for vraks mk7?

[terse idol]

Roll up funny boulder

[terse idol]

Surgical, deadly accurate

[torn needle]

Perks

[terse idol]

Oh

Woooops

[torn needle]

[terse idol]

[next furnace]

im Commisar Hadron

[signal mango]

Is there any advice to encourage crits(tree-wise)?
I wanna really lean into shocktrooper and I need the crits.

[torn needle]

Trying out other guns after playing a lot of pgun and vraks mk7 seems juicy af

[crude ermine]

Maniflak is one

[terse idol]

Uh, deadshot

[untold mulch]

BRUH that caught me so offguard

[terse idol]

Then a lasgun with head hunter and deadly accurate

Although I played deadshot lasgun not too long ago, it's not for me

[signal mango]

on 'Alt-Fire' that's RMB/ADS right? (not special action)

[terse idol]

Yeepp

[torn needle]

Alrighty thanks

[signal mango]

headhunter?.. oh Blessing

[terse idol]

Yeep

I mean

As a blessing

For your gun

I don't remember alot of talents that do give crit chance

[crude ermine]

Erhm

...

Shit idk either

I mean..deadshot gives a nice crit chance..

That's all I got

[terse idol]

Desperado for melee

[signal mango]

Dumb question; but can we talk about Recon/V12/Helbore?

• ShockTrooper only gets back*** 'one bullet per crit'***
• So Helbore and V12 will still be on a loss (mitigated) even if you're revolver-accurate?
  I main Zarona revolver, so but I was thinking of increasing fire-rate/mag-capacity

[crude ermine]

Helbore with surgical basically just means free Crits so it'll be a while till you run out of munition

[terse idol]

Okay so shock trooper has in internal cooldown
It consumes

No ammo

On crit

V12 and Helbore will always have a surplus

Recon will have like a negative ammo economy even with shocktrooper

Because thr crit chain is nerfed and it doesn't give you a free bullet per crit

[cinder wadi]

Does anyone know how to get this insignia?

[terse idol]

Gives you a free shot per like 6 bullets or more I dunno how long

[terse idol]

Do the orthus offensive secret hardmode

[cinder wadi]

ok

[signal mango]

So when it says "consumes no ammo" that's the 3-charges for v12 & mk1 regular-shot?

[terse idol]

frankly you'll have more ammo with a lasgun or helbore than a revolver with survivalist and shock trooper

[terse idol]

Yeah

Iirc

[signal mango]

good luck

[rigid whale]

im starting to like stealth vet

[signal mango]

ehh - recon's the only thing that has full-auto.
I feel like the multiple-LMB throws off my aim sometimes.
(when I'm engaging multiple targets.)

[terse idol]

Its just objectively the worst option

Not gonna stop ya from using it but recon stinky

[signal mango]

(some days, everyone uses zelly/revolver no one has long-range and we get taken apart by gunnerpacks)
For that, I temporarily switch to v12 on my Zelly.

• Recoil/Sway on v12 is .. serious work.
• Deadshot(vet) would really help.

[hollow ibex]

full auto mod solves that

if your issue is spamming lmb

[terse idol]

Mxii has a slower fire rate regardless

It... might fire slower than even the revolver

Or it's similar

[signal mango]

yeah, I main zarona, it feels maybe slower than revolver.
But recoil is lower

[signal mango]

that's a grey area of 'altering gameplay'?

[hollow ibex]

huh?

no lol

[signal mango]

oh

[strange grove]

ok this def beats the iag for rager walls by far

[hollow ibex]

agri braced is incredible

my favorite of all the iags/braced autos

[strange grove]

im loving it with a melee focused build

[hollow ibex]

i use it in my range-focused builds too

[short skiff]

What would you guys change up on this lasgun? I feel like I could put surgical over Falter? and have it be some sort of critty, burn lasgun?

The flat numbers are so nice looking I really want to try make it work but I fear its a 1/4 if not a 0/4 on the perks/blessings setup

[crude ermine]

Everything

Tho falter is pretty funny

[dire olive]

Eh, who needs fire rate when you one-tap almost everything but the heavy boys

[crude ermine]

For purely bayonet slapping

[short skiff]

That would be entertaining lol.

could just swap it to a Surgical/Onslaught setup? Perks would be pretty crap without the flak/carapace though 😦

[crude ermine]

Yeah, but at least you'll have unarmored

[short skiff]

True! That's gonna be good against.. I think reapers? and on everything else I should've been one tapping anyway haha

[terse idol]

The issue being the MxII is like

Ah

Arbitrary

MxII is powercrept

[soft blade]

boo womp

[tall torrent]

What’s v12

[lyric dock]

Surgical over Falter and then your choice for Manaic or Flak over unarmored or crit chance

[keen wolf]

Does this increase the suppression area as well as the amount of suppression?

[tall torrent]

It’s usable, I’d prob swap both blessings but then again both are t4 so you might even want to harvest one of them

[crude ermine]

I think so, but KTHD is pretty ass

[lyric dock]

Infernis is quite nice. Has gotten me a few kills on low health elites or specialists that just got behind cover and extra damage over time on a boss is nice little bonus

[finite imp]

so as far as i can tell suppression is a threshold that slowly chips away over time, the more ordinance directed at or nearto a target the more suppression

please correct me if im wrong

[keen wolf]

I've heard good things about KTHD

[finite imp]

at certain breakpoints in suppression enemies will play different animations, these animations depend on the suppression levels

the length of these animations get longer to a point where they're literally falling over

[terse idol]

I kinda wished Infernus had like stages of Burn DOT visually

[torn needle]

Staggermaxxxing

[keen wolf]

but if nobody is sure as sure, I'll test it out

[tall torrent]

This also depends on the amount of suppression of the weapon you use

Bigger guns typically have more suppression

[keen wolf]

yeah nah. KTHD doesn't increase the "aoe" of the suppression

just the amount

Just tested

Didn't think it would, but was worth finding out for sure

[tall torrent]

On plasma for example, KTHD makes it take 3 shots instead of 4 to suppress both gunners into cowering

[keen wolf]

Aye. I knew how suppression works. I was just asking specifically if it suppresses from further away with the talent.

[rigid whale]

oh so it basically does nothing for an assault rifle build

good to know

[signal mango]

Which enemies are 'suppressible'.

• not maulers/rangers I guess?

[twilit glacier]

Anything mansized is my guess

[hearty panther]

Ragers, Maulers, Crushers, Bulwarks, Monsters, Poxwalkers, most specials.

Specials I dunno cause you just kill them.

Snipers I know can be suppressed. I've never actively tried to suppress a flamer or a trapper before.

But yea everything with a gun can be suppressed.

Reapers when they are set up and shooting are the most resistant to suppression but can still be suppressed.

[signal mango]

But KTHD is useless unless you have plasma or magdump?

[hearty panther]

Not really.

Suppression is a number. I don't actually have the real numbers, but '25' and '50' is what you need to suppress Gunners and Reapers respectively.

Suppression is also a function of your rate of fire.

So like the Kantrael shotgun suppresses damn near everything with a single shot.

Bumping that value up 50% is rather meaningless.

The Brauto guns are between 2-5 suppression

Bumping THAT by 50% is pretty significant.

Since you're firing like 20rps on the Graia especially, you start to suppress almost instantly.

Even the recon lasgun will duck heads hella fast.

[serene bough]

i usually dont pay attention to suppression as a mechanic

[hearty panther]

Suppression is pretty underrated but it's also not very understood.

[serene bough]

its just too passive of a mechanic, you shoot things people duck their head

[crude ermine]

I just kill them

[serene bough]

idk which guns suppress the best though

[crude ermine]

Unless my aim is bad

[hearty panther]

That's not passive though.

It's 'more passive' than killing, sure.

[terse idol]

Well its like you either shoot them, or they're like

Already in cover

[hearty panther]

But in the common instance where there's ten gunners set up at varying locations, you would stop more of them from shooting quicker with suppression than by actually killing them directly.

The 'aura' around each enemy that is their suppressable area is pretty generous.

[serene bough]

so say you have a large patrol of ranged trash intrenched in cover, would you rather A) suppress them and maybe pop a head or two or B) run up and melee

[hearty panther]

You should still be aiming to hit your targets, but magdumping out to duck heads and close gaps is still a valuable tool.

[serene bough]

i find its just easier to slide into melee and deal with them there

[hearty panther]

But also as a TWBS Zealot bullets mean nothing to me.

Either way I'll sprint at one Reaper and before engaging I'll put fifteen rounds out towards another Reaper so that he doesn't shred me/the team while I do my thing.

[serene bough]

reapers are the one enemy where suppression feels like it matters

[hardy pollen]

As a autogun main i agree with this

[hearty panther]

They're just the most noticable. They have a thick enough healthbar that they'll usually get suppressed even while you're shooting directly into their body long before they die.

Others will fold over to death at around the same time suppression would kick in.

But frankly we are not all shooting with 100% accuracy always.

So when a gunner is holding the inside of the pillbox in Magistrati Oubliette 40m away and four others are outside setting up about to fire during a horde, the right play is spray and pray towards the entrenched gunner and then focusing down the rest while they're suppressed.

Obviously if you can just dome them instantly with a revolver then do that.

[crude fiber]

alright i guess i was sleeping on the mk1 helbor

[muted knot]

hellbore gamer

[crude ermine]

What the hel

Bore

[crude fiber]

is good

[lyric dock]

MK1 and MK2 Helbore is quite good

[eternal sable]

bro

every single time i come in here someone is talking about helbores

cursed

[lyric dock]

They're great weapons

[eternal sable]

atleast bring back the old plasma charge rate dabate

[eternal sable]

i dont know if this is bait

[neat stratus]

I would say so, could maybe use onslaught but it's not necessity

Considering the stability it's probably best you just try to hit hard anyways

[crude fiber]

i like it without so i can get an extra stack of surgical

stability doesnt matter at all on helbors imo, it could be 0% and still feel great to shoot

[neat stratus]

It's not a gun exclusively, it's good for people who get annoyed by the generator randomly putting poxwalkers on top of you and as a revolt you just kinda stab them

The bayonet is half of the weapon's relevance

[lyric dock]

The number of Fucking times you begin to take aim at a far away target to deal with them just to hear the damn Whoosh of yet another melee fodder about to bitch slap you

[eternal sable]

the bayonet sucks ass

[neat stratus]

On top of that it's also super accurate, if you aim it well you can one shot nearly any unarmored special (most of them)

[lyric dock]

And the stabbing is great at dealing hordes, Pissed off ragers

[eternal sable]

just pull your your melee

and bring a real gun

[neat stratus]

On the MkIII maybe

[lyric dock]

MK 3 is god awful

MK 1 and MK 2 bayonet is quite good

Give it a try

[eternal sable]

ive played like 30 auric t5 missions the past couple days and i havnt seen a helbore vet once

[neat stratus]

The Mk1 does almost as much dps as a charged shot combo and can be spammed

[eternal sable]

maybe its a malice/heresy meta

[neat stratus]

That doesn't mean it's bad, it means it's not plasma gun

[tall torrent]

They’re not popular weapons but they’re by no means bad, especially mk1 and mk2

[eternal sable]

if its not relevant in auric t5

[neat stratus]

"Use exclusively the meta or you're throwing"

[eternal sable]

then its completely useless since auric t5 is the default difficulty

[neat stratus]

Make being good at the game meta for christ sake

[eternal sable]

quickplay auric t5 is the only way you should play

make sense

[neat stratus]

If you need a nerf-worthy weapon to have any kind of success you reallllly shouldn't be at the difficulty you are

[eternal sable]

all these helbore users are still in training wheels

[lyric dock]

I'm fine with my quickplay Damnation games

[eternal sable]

lots of vets taking autoguns, revolvers, plasmaguns

no one taking helbore

[neat stratus]

Like plasma gun one shotting 90% of enemies and being drawn nearly instantly isn't a training wheel

[wanton dawn]

[eternal sable]

thats the way it goes

[neat stratus]

On top of the 58585 shot mag ofc

[sharp ember]

braced autogun

[eternal sable]

lots of coloumus users

graia

agripina braced

[neat stratus]

But seriously, just be good at the game and you'll probably win with only a shovel, solo

[wanton dawn]

I see a lot of autogun these days

[eternal sable]

autoguns are really good

a few tiers above helbores

plasma - revo and then autoguns are the meta atm

[neat stratus]

Why do you hate helbores so much, did they kill your wife or something?

[eternal sable]

laspistols i see too, they are nice if you use them right

[neat stratus]

Autoguns are really good though

[wanton dawn]

Havent see laspistol in a while

[neat stratus]

As most weapons are, only recons can't do much

[eternal sable]

i see mainly zealots taking them

but they are still really good imo

[lyric dock]

I seen more Laspistols on Gun pyskers than anything else

[neat stratus]

Even then, recon still works

[eternal sable]

i know a vet player that uses recon its not the worst

[wanton dawn]

Even plasma feel less common these days

[neat stratus]

Psyker gives off laspistol slinging energy ngl

[eternal sable]

better than a helbore for sure tho

[strange grove]

lol powersword spam ftw

power cycler 4 and sunder goated

[wanton dawn]

You keep score with this ?

[lyric dock]

The ones I seen. They're pretty damn good despite the gripes they get from other squad members, but hey. As long as don't do anything really stupid. I don't care what you run

[eternal sable]

i dislike helbores for many reasons

but i strongly believe a new player should learn the game using the better weapons

[strange grove]

with what?

[wanton dawn]

With this dispatch

[eternal sable]

give a new player a helbore and they will not have the impact they should and feel like they are useless

[lyric dock]

Of course They have no idea how to use it

[wanton dawn]

Teamscore with only ammo is bad weight

[eternal sable]

even if you have 2k hours with a helbore, it doesnt make it good

[wanton dawn]

I have quite the impact with hellbore

[eternal sable]

give a new player a revolver and all they have to do is right click aim and shoot a gunner in the head and win

[tiny summit]

Helbores good. Shut up

[eternal sable]

a mk 1-2 they wont kill fast enough and get overpowered

ive seen it over and over

[lyric dock]

I get good results with the Helbore. Something is telling me you used the gun once or twice and never touched it again

[eternal sable]

even a mk3 trash

[tall torrent]

Kill what fast enough exactly

[wanton dawn]

Also give a new player a powersword and it will look bad

[crude fiber]

"even mk3" mk3 is probably the worst 1 rn

[eternal sable]

anything at all

[tall torrent]

Ok ur just baiting lol

[eternal sable]

keep using your helbore

ill never see you since i dont play malice

[wanton dawn]

Thats a weak bait come on

[eternal sable]

queue malice right now bet vets using helbores

i wont be caught dead in a malice queue

[wanton dawn]

So ? I play auric mael with hellbore

[neat stratus]

Still means you'll win

[ebon cove]

Should I buy this as veteran?

[neat stratus]

Bro is the definition of close minded

[wanton dawn]

Not even a mystery i am saying it like every day

[eternal sable]

no you dont bro

[wanton dawn]

Rofl

[eternal sable]

send me a screenshot of you with your helbore

i want to see

[wary wharf]

May the god emperor bless the last two rolls

[wanton dawn]

2s

[finite imp]

I just cut notches in my revolver

[eternal sable]

i cant believe

[neat stratus]

We don't all like going through the game mindnumbingly bored out of our minds because we abuse the best weapons in the game

[eternal sable]

someone willingly queues auric t5 with a helbore

"i am going to have a fun time!"

[neat stratus]

That's what sweats do, the average player actually likes enjoying their lives

[eternal sable]

fucking wet noodle weapon

[finite imp]

I sit at my PC with a white board and mark every single kill and then at the end I call everyone a noob

[wanton dawn]

Most recent one from this channel https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1199452799788925059/image.png?ex=65c29878&is=65b02378&hm=38cbc0cd9ec75c648d3d8de0a0db833f20c16518b82395f2acbcda926a797d6e&

[rigid whale]

I failed a mission because I didn't see a demonhost earlier

Oops

[eternal sable]

what is that

[finite imp]

I half agree with you. I use the revolver but I also use the knife

[neat stratus]

You've clearly had a of yours dog killed by the person who designed the helbore to dislike it that much

[lyric dock]

My Helbore 2 has yet to fail me

[eternal sable]

you guys are underpreforming in solo queue

51/71 ?

most you damage was on trash

[wanton dawn]

He doesnt know

[neat stratus]

It's hilarious how this CoD/Destiny Grandmaster player thinks

[finite imp]

The revolver is "overtuned" and therefore meta but I play the revolver cuz Django unchained

[rigid whale]

imagine really acting like this

[finite imp]

And the knife is generally not great on the vet but I play it because fun

[neat stratus]

Yeah, even I like the revolver but I also used it before it was overtuned, I just like it

[eternal sable]

now this is a hard carry

fuckin nerds with your helbores

[wanton dawn]

I mean...

[finite imp]

So while I can appreciate maximizing the performance of my weaponry, my fun takes priority, and some people take "fun" in playing other people's builds

[drowsy laurel]

isnt the knife one of the best weps to use?

[neat stratus]

Fuckin barely at best 💀

[eternal sable]

actually underpreforming

[wanton dawn]

Its a pretty mild looking scoreboard by this discord standard

[finite imp]

YES BUT NOBODY AGREES WITH ME

[eternal sable]

you cant carry like that with a helbore

[finite imp]

KNIFE IS THE BEST WEAPON IN THE GAME AND EVERYONE THINKS IM CRAZY

[lyric dock]

One of my many Helbore 2 games

[finite imp]

But I don't get to decide what's meta I guess

[eternal sable]

this is not auric t5

[wanton dawn]

Wait, i need to find the troll one

[neat stratus]

It'd be a hard carry if you had near double the points of the next best in everything, you're basically right at the level of that one though

[tall torrent]

Just send the limbsplitter video

[eternal sable]

if thats auric t5 then it must have been a sleepy mission because those elites dont add up

[wanton dawn]

Found it https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1190335398971441162/image.png?ex=65c6573a&is=65b3e23a&hm=e662c0dd06765bcaedc89f30c101b00283f78e112c06dea9c134715ccb982566&

[lyric dock]

Quickplay Damnation. Good enough for me. So sorry if it didn't meet your impossibly high expectations

[eternal sable]

40/49 as a veteran

literally underpreforming

[rigid whale]

the numbers

[neat stratus]

Bongoboy acting like Darktide is master raids solo 💀

[wanton dawn]

Sad man cant even show a 1m dmg scoreboardx

[eternal sable]

1m damage doesnt mean shit

[neat stratus]

If you won, you literally won so it doesn't matter

[eternal sable]

i have a lot of them as an ogryn with a kickback

[neat stratus]

Neither do you 💀

[eternal sable]

its not hard to aim and shoot into a horde

[rigid whale]

I use the agri shotgun personally

[wanton dawn]

rofl, he still doesnt know

[eternal sable]

i do have a couple vet 1m damage on melee only

[strange grove]

so doing some testing I'm finding sunder sucks compared to rampage on psword

[neat stratus]

Bro is onto something, no clue what though 🗣️🔥

[serene sage]

which side looks better chat

[strange grove]

Rampage PC4 seems best?

[tall torrent]

Sunder gives minimum 4 target cleave

[balmy flume]

I support the use of stats as self improvement, but I reject the use of stats as "big d*ck gamer" energy lol

[serene sage]

My vote is on the right cause you can actually see shit

[tall torrent]

So u cleave through 4 crushers

[wanton dawn]

Can someone tell him ?

[eternal sable]

fuckin tell me bud

[tall torrent]

Ur playing melee helbore and he doesn’t know

[strange grove]

oh maybe I'll keep my original sword then

[neat stratus]

This guy would absolutely drive a raised truck if he could afford it, too bad he spends all his money on this game though 💀

[eternal sable]

nah fuck that

[serene sage]

damage stats is influened more by how much your teammates suck rather than how good you are

[eternal sable]

you need to hard carry every single auric t5 game

if you dont then you are shit

thats just facts

[rigid whale]

:(

[lyric dock]

Scoreboard for me is "How well did I do this round and what can I do to improve in the next mission"

[serene sage]

win rate is more indicative of how good you are since consistency requries skill

[neat stratus]

Bro is basically saying perfection is the bare minimum 💀

[wanton dawn]

I mean, it isnt has if i had melee dmg done on my scoreboard

[eternal sable]

thats exactly what im saying

[neat stratus]

Ok CoD player

[wanton dawn]

Man you arent really saying anything

[eternal sable]

ok guys relax now

[finite imp]

Sup fox. Gg last night

[neat stratus]

May as well be speaking in tongues

[tall torrent]

Bait used to be believable

[neat stratus]

Too bad you're getting bullied anyways 🔥

[finite imp]

Why you acting like that

Quit it

[serene sage]

u didn't answer my question uwu

[finite imp]

Oh shit what was question

[eternal sable]

bro you think im getting bullied

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[eternal sable]

my ego is too high for you to touch

[serene sage]

which side is better?

[eternal sable]

deadss get out of here

[finite imp]

Right

[neat stratus]

🔥 Literally just use what you want 🔥

[serene sage]

like fog or no fog

am I crazy to prefer the no fog one?

[tiny summit]

Right

[finite imp]

Well yeah. Some people WANT the meta lol

[serene sage]

even though it looks less cinematic?

[serene sage]

im on Reddit UwU

you poseted it

[finite imp]

Idk the shadows look better

[tiny summit]

Yes

[finite imp]

It's darktide not light tide

[serene sage]

left or right =.=

[tall torrent]

I say no fog cuz sometimes map fog will cloud DH fog

[serene sage]

so left?

[neat stratus]

You're not obligated to because of someone else's opinion though

[serene sage]

yeah that's what im leaning troward too

[finite imp]

Right

[wanton dawn]

Alrighty then. I need to find myself a new build to try out

[finite imp]

You have already answered your own question and are seeking confirmation lmao. I still say right looks better

[serene sage]

we are all in agreement then

[lyric dock]

Use what works for your playstyle and improve apon it as you go. Just remember the 1st rule of playing a video game Have fun

[tall torrent]

Also I turned off like every extra graphical setting I could

[serene sage]

I mean yes

[finite imp]

Unhinged schizophrenic

Lmao

[serene sage]

But I want to know the popular opinion

[tall torrent]

I specifically went into config and disabled light shadows

[finite imp]

Okay fine left is better

Idk shadows help me keep points of reference

[serene sage]

oh no I like the right side

[tall torrent]

It’s not “no shadows at all” it’s no extra shadow casting

[neat stratus]

Try out laspistol with a folding shovel for the funny

[serene sage]

also I realized I had Motion Blur on this entire time

[neat stratus]

EEW

[strange grove]

can heavy attacks with psword hit up to 9 targets?

[neat stratus]

No because you can't reach the top value

[strange grove]

so 7 targets?

[neat stratus]

Depends on hitmass

[strange grove]

oh right

[tall torrent]

It’s up to 8 mass

[neat stratus]

Theoretically if every single enemy counted as 1 hit mass, you could, and then stop on the 8th

[strange grove]

i always thought spamming lights with PC4 > spamming heavies

[finite imp]

Oh idk then that stuff is kind of out of my realm

[tiny summit]

So found out what was causing my game to run like absolute ass on my laptop and its stupid. My 1440p laptop was displaying only 1080p at 125% zoom. Apparently that was messing with it because now that I changed it to 1440p it runs so much better with no other changes

[tall torrent]

8 mass means up to 8 targets but vs higher mass enemies (flak armor guys specifically) it can’t cleave as much

You’ll still cleave through 3 scab bruisers so it’s fine

[neat stratus]

For the speed I believe it is?

[tall torrent]

Better for me to illustrate, give me a minute

[finite imp]

Like you tell me volumetric lighting and I'm like what? Ambient occlusion? Tesselation?

Wat

I Kind of understand antirstropic filtering

It smooths the textures

[wanton dawn]

Laspistol bad for mah hand

[neat stratus]

Thats for like 3 target dps though, heavies are good for your first hit since you can deny the entire planet in front of you

[tiny summit]

Gooder graphics good

[wanton dawn]

I might try other weapon than Ps one day though

[neat stratus]

Then use boltuh with a new chainsword, go full minimarine

[soft blade]

boltah

[wanton dawn]

I should try shovel

Yeah

[soft blade]

new shovels are swag

[neat stratus]

Bonk the enemy to hell

[tall torrent]

I wish chainswords were better in this game

[neat stratus]

They're pretty good

[serene sage]

volumetric fog makes the screen "greyer"

[tall torrent]

They’re kinda just ok

[neat stratus]

The actual chainsaw part is only ok, but they cleave gūd

[soft blade]

they feel a lot like lasguns in that they have no real niche

[wanton dawn]

Wonder how many crusher i can deal with in psy with shovel

[soft blade]

they just kind of are

[neat stratus]

Not meta maybe, but they work

[tall torrent]

The actual chainsaw part isn’t good enough and the cleave is just passable

[soft blade]

they exist

[neat stratus]

Try using it with good blessings I mean

At least on zealot it's one of my better performing weapons

[wanton dawn]

Whats shovel god roll ?

[tall torrent]

I tried, rampage + wrath lol

[neat stratus]

Hitting things with it

[tall torrent]

It’s still just ok

[tall torrent]

Mk3 prob is skullcrusher + thrust?

[neat stratus]

Ofc when you compare it with Ps it isn't great

[soft blade]

thrust skull crusher methinks

[tall torrent]

Not comparing to power sword

[wanton dawn]

Compared to powersword most melee are meh

[tall torrent]

I use DC7 and it’s performing way better than the chainswords I’ve tried

[untold mulch]

I want Decimator on my shovel for horde clear help

That and thrust making me almost one shot crushers

[neat stratus]

It's like comparing an iPhone 15 to a Galaxy S5, obviously it isn't as good and thats why the comparison would be drawn

[tall torrent]

@finite imp I think it's one of the render settings I disabled but can't remember which

[neat stratus]

Because DC7 is actually pretty good, still not the absolut meta but its good

[wanton dawn]

I am not touching an iphone again though

[neat stratus]

I'd take the S5

[tall torrent]

Idk I’d put DC4 and DC7 right behind Rashad and power sword

They’re just the more defensive side of meta

[neat stratus]

Ig

But yeah, the chainsword isn't so bad that it needs a big buff

[wanton dawn]

In any case, my weapon choice is very skewed by dumb melee challenge

[tall torrent]

They don’t need like huge buffs or anything but some nice bonuses would be bad

Like for one the mk13g has a pretty bad moveset

[neat stratus]

Use the bayonet exclusively

No shooting, no melee weapon, pure stab

[wanton dawn]

Cant: crusher exist

[tall torrent]

You have to have wrath or you can’t cleave through enough scab bruisers to proc rampage

And u don’t have easy access to a vanguard heavy to proc rampage like mk4 chainsword

Didn’t enjoy that part at all

[neat stratus]

Team can handle it

[serene sage]

Busters: let me introduce myself

[wanton dawn]

[neat stratus]

EAT THEM

That's the only point you can afford to take damage btw

Get one of da boyz to charge em with a bayonet so only they take damage, and cycle around so that you can take up to like 16 before you all need medicae

Genius plan

[midnight totem]

PUS IN EVERY BITE

[tall torrent]

@finite imp ok look at the differences here

[midnight totem]

... I hate myself for typing that. Thanks

[tall torrent]

left is with light shadows disabled

[neat stratus]

Does your fps go up any meaningful amount?

[tall torrent]

I can get stable ish 60fps on laptop

[finite imp]

Yeah no I can't tell the difference

[tall torrent]

and with pretty low gpu temp

[finite imp]

Oh wait

I kind of van

Can

[tall torrent]

left pic has no character shadow

[neat stratus]

Mid-game?

[finite imp]

The shadows in his chest rig

So I should turn that off?

[tall torrent]

it's a config file setting

[tall torrent]

yea and with pretty low gpu temp usually

only map where I really drop frames hard is smelter complex finale

cuz all the lava

[neat stratus]

Push for higher fps if you have the hz

[tall torrent]

I want good visuals + good framerate + low GPU temp

[neat stratus]

Imo the game is prettier with 75+ fps consistently than being like a movie at 24 fps

[tall torrent]

@finite imp left has no shadows cast by the character (left side to character) and no shadows cast by the sword he’s holding on the legs

[tall torrent]

If I get a new pc rig in a few years I’ll aim for higher settings, rn the game looks fine on a smaller laptop screen to me

[neat stratus]

Yeah, I'd suggest putting your settings lower then

[tall torrent]

The pics I sent are very low settings btw

[neat stratus]

For 90% of them they make no meaningful difference to looks to justify eating 80% of your frames

[tall torrent]

It’s not quite Roblox grade visuals but it’s like as low as you can possibly go

Without messing up the lighting system in game

[neat stratus]

And that's good enough

[tall torrent]

I still keep gibbing & enemy wounds tho

They’re just too valuable to turn off for a game like this

But ragdoll is kept to a minimum and all the decal stuff are disabled

[craggy dove]

Any good, comrades ?

[neat stratus]

Turn gibbing low as you can though, it's not that noticeable

[tall torrent]

actually pretty good roll, could swap take a swing for thrust if u want funny crusher 1 shot

[neat stratus]

I think replace TaS with thrust but I'm stupid

[craggy dove]

Roger roger

Ta !

[tall torrent]

But TaS makes the push atk -> L3 -> L4 combo a lot better

So it’s rly just preference there

[tall torrent]

I don’t think there’s a value setting there, only true or false

[neat stratus]

Oh well I forgor

[tall torrent]

Good enough, you might find a better one later down the line with better stat roll but this is excellent already

[crude fiber]

to disprove the helbor hate baiter, this was a melee only mission. i had to disconnect 1/3 of the way through for some laundry so thats not even the full scoreboard.to be fair there was a lightning spyker though

[strange grove]

nothing like doing all 10 objectives on the hab dreyko finale

its like people never played that map before

another reason I like shout vet... shout then scan

can you scan using stealth?

[sonic marlin]

how do i get the golden thingy all over

[strange grove]

hard mode

twins

[rigid pilot]

back to lasguns, they are pretty fun if your team helps to hold the frontline

[sonic marlin]

?

thats not the damnation one

[tall torrent]

Do orthus offensive on damnation hard mode and win

[crude fiber]

theres a easter egg thing you have to do during the mission to unlock the challenge mode thing. you can probably LFG to find people that already have it unlocked

[tiny summit]

Still haven't done hard mode

[celest vine]

its actually not that difficult ngl

my buddies and I did it second try

[celest vine]

actually you dont need to do that anymore

hit the bell on the right when you first spawn

everyone needs to do it

[slow spade]

yes but sometimes enemies like to walk in front of you :p

idk why it feels like it interrupts sometimes

[tall torrent]

That bell only spawns if someone on the team has the penance for secret bells done

[raw steppe]

Full auto mod kinda cheating so no i don't run it lol

[hollow ibex]

cheating? how lmao

[raw steppe]

I dont run any mods that affect gameplay, only the ones that dont like compact skill tree and scoreboard

[hollow ibex]

literally just a QOL mod

[raw steppe]

It affects gameplay

[finite imp]

It doesn't make your gun faster

[hollow ibex]

affecting gameplay = cheating

ok

[raw steppe]

You can run it if you want

[hollow ibex]

so if i use weapon customization mod and slap a sight on

that's cheating

because it affects my gameplay

[raw steppe]

I mean in a way yes you're doing something thats not possible

In the base game

Feel free to run it

I personally dont run mods that affect gameplay

[tiny summit]

To me the full auto mod in a pve game is a setting

[raw steppe]

Like autoswing, autofire, hp bars on enemies etc

Feel free to run it lol its your own choice

[tiny summit]

I can shoot as fast as possible the full auto mod allows like 99% of a game. But after a while? Eh why not just having it.

[raw steppe]

I just dont want to run mods that affect gameplay, respect my choice and I'll respect yours

[hollow ibex]

ok, but don't call it cheating because i installed a mod to prevent carpal tunnel lol

[finite imp]

You aren't respecting ours though. You're asserting it's cheating

[raw steppe]

It changes gameplay

[finite imp]

Ok

[hollow ibex]

back to square fucking 1

[raw steppe]

It literally changes the way you play

[finite imp]

Ok

So does changing your gun

And your talent tree

[hollow ibex]

i'm glad fatshart doesn't have as braindead of a stance as this guy does

[finite imp]

???

[hollow ibex]

otherwise 90% of mods would be banned

[raw steppe]

Like for example

Hp bars on all enemies

Completely changes the game dynamic

Because that information is not suppised to he available by design

[finite imp]

You forget the part where you're asking for mutual respect in our decisions

If you had any you wouldn't be debating this

[tiny summit]

I would also agree that it is an argument to say "cheating" as if does in fact circumvent the gameplay/balance of the game albeit by a very small degree. I just don't care. It's not making a gun go turbo fire but Fatshark designed a gun as semi-auto. I don't think they were smart in that decision considering helbore is technically full auto but lasguns are apparently a no-no

[serene bough]

Hello vet chat

[raw steppe]

I mean, its like drinking alcohol

[serene bough]

What is this discussion

[hollow ibex]

we're talking specifically about the full auto mod though

[raw steppe]

I can tell you you're a dumbass for drinking alcohol

[soft blade]

vet chat burns again

[hollow ibex]

guy thinks full auto mod is "kinda cheating" because it changes your gameplay

[raw steppe]

But you can drink whatveer the fuck you want man

[serene bough]

Its not

[finite imp]

Yeah do whatever you want but you're a fucking idiot dumbass

[serene bough]

There are other games that have this as a togglable feature

[finite imp]

Lmao

[soft blade]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[tall torrent]

I kinda just don’t care abt what mods others use (I don’t use mods) cuz most of the mods are client side only
I don’t care what they do with their game as long as they play well, they could well be playing reWASD with a guitar hero controller and I still wouldn’t care

[serene bough]

Pretty much

[raw steppe]

Ye me neither but i personally dont use mods that affect gameplay

Because i consider that cheating in a sense

[tiny summit]

Saw the dude who played Guilty Gear +R with a guitar hero controller at EVO

[serene bough]

I look at these kinds of features as an accessibility/disability QoL for people who don't want to mash the same key all the time

[finite imp]

Hell yeah

[finite imp]

Which they are

[raw steppe]

What is your opinion on autoswing and hp bars then?

[finite imp]

Moving the goalpost. 15 yard penalty

[strange grove]

or spidey sense lol

[tiny summit]

There is a balance/design decision to make a gun semi-auto vs full auto. But it's not a PvP game...so how much is that "cheating"?

[finite imp]

What's your opinion about aimbot mods

[serene bough]

I see health bars as training wheels

You can 100% play without them, and if you need the extra identifier then go ahead and use it

[hollow ibex]

irrelevant, because we're talking about the full auto mod

[raw steppe]

Not irrelevant because I'm talking about mods that change gameplay

[tall torrent]

For pvp, at least in the new cod games, there’s a setting that makes semi-auto guns shoot like full auto but they don’t shoot as fast as the max possible semi auto firerate (but you can still tap as fast as u can if u want)

[serene bough]

Yeah, games do allow those kinds of features sometimes

[hollow ibex]

like sunrise said, moving goalposts.

[opaque talon]

I came here to say

Ogryn rules 😎

[serene bough]

Thanks oni

[tiny summit]

So it is still a balance decision.

[tall torrent]

DT is better in the semi auto area because none of the semi auto guns shoot fast enough to warrant the use to turn them full auto

[tiny summit]

Along with an setting decision

[tall torrent]

A Glock in cod could be shooting at semi auto 500rpm

[finite imp]

Your logic is bad. That's all there is to it. You're attempting scrape together a point outside of your original argument. You have failed to do so. You have also asked that people respect each other's decisions. Which you have also failed to do so.

[tall torrent]

DT semi autos are typically under 300rpm