veteran-class

[polar kayak]

when u get hit by big dmg, does toughness stop it from hitting your health or does it pierce thru health?

[thick wolf]

is it ranged or melee specifically

[white minnow]

there are some special cases in the game

the ones that i remember for melee are just the crusher and mauler overhead, where the damage will spill over into your health if you do not have the requisite toughness to absorb it all

[thick wolf]

and sniper's shots

aka "OH FUCK OW THAT ACTUALLY GODDAMN HURT HOLY SHIT I AM IN ABSOLUTE AGONY"

[white minnow]

all ranged attacks will by default spill over to your health if you can't tank it with the requisite toughness, but the sniper has a 10x multiplier to toughness and does it in one large damaging shot (and has the "full spillover" property where it will ignore your toughness if it breaks it, dealing its full 122.5 damage to your HP. You either take no health damage from a sniper shot, or you take it all.)

[thick wolf]

aaka it turns you into a five star voice actor if you get hit

brother the sniper has the Quake 2 railgun

that's the lore explaination on why they hurt so bad

[junior needle]

Veterans are templars, also post results

[thick wolf]

they are Quake 2 railgun players

[late hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1198448458399502407/LuciusScopedMagnum.jpg?ex=65bef11a&is=65ac7c1a&hm=6f4ade26536d3cb90467ed27cd26c0068eeff7aec331f8fe70e978181c03c661&

[thick wolf]

ugh god

[late hatch]

pew pew

how about this one?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162275718563110933/1190435232395042867/image.png?ex=65c6b434&is=65b43f34&hm=78f67c5fdffb1d28db88ed4ed154e9bed5c11b579e261b15e8066141d7ebc094&

[thick wolf]

good grief even wolfer wouldn't want to use that

[late hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162275718563110933/1187017293125910618/20231220202102_1.jpg?ex=65c37f80&is=65b10a80&hm=b77baaa60104c96d391ad2c02f36139cd45c23e30c0ed1baa3e056b20ee7cff3&

whats better than 1 shield?

[twilit glacier]

A shield on an ogryn?

oh, two shields

[late hatch]

one shield for each hand

[stiff surge]

Melk, why must you tease me with perfect blessings on such ass stats

[thick wolf]

I'll assume pen is important on a shovel

[fathom grail]

I see 3 shields

[twilit glacier]

....

[fathom grail]

[twilit glacier]

not looking good you guys

[late hatch]

its still possible, but not looking good yeah

[fathom grail]

Just inhale a bunch of copium

It’ll be fine

Works all the time

[stiff surge]

For what this shovel wants to do blessings wise, yes, the most important

[junior needle]

It’s important on every weapon that has it, much like stopping power

[thick wolf]

then melk karked up

[junior needle]

I'd roll it to purple just to see

[stable socket]

1 good/2 bad on purple leads to some of the most feelsbads

cuz hadron is likely to make that 1 good/3 bad on orange

...but there's always a chance

[late hatch]

unless you already have a great rev i could live with stam on a great stat rev like that

get handcannon and surgical

20-25 maniac and i would probs roll with it

[junior needle]

A 3/4 is at least useable in most cases

[hollow ibex]

jfc

rolling dclaw is fucking aids

here's t4 Trauma, Thunderstrike, Devastating Strike, Hammerblow, Vicious Slice 20 times

savage sweep? shred? never heard of her

[junior needle]

Friendly reminder that the blessing pool is purposefully bloated with underperforming blessings to decrease the likelihood of you getting what you want, for "player retention" purposes.

[late hatch]

i had this pain trying to get shovel blessings for my ogryn. idk how many i rolled and got t3 stagger blessing on time after time

[stable socket]

i'm like 99% sure the blessing pool isn't just bloated, each blessing is also weighted differently

[frank basin]

Somehow luck struck

[late hatch]

yes havent you heard? all the kids love to gamba! /s

[stable socket]

otherwise every 1 in 7 power swords would roll power cycler (since psword only has 7 blessings)

this means someone purposely upped the occurrence rate of the trash blessings and decreased the actually useful ones

[hollow ibex]

a lot of the weapons are fine, but dclaw just seems really bad due to the number of totally worthless stagger blessings

[frank basin]

Like trauma and hammerblow

[hollow ibex]

i upgraded 3 dclaws from gray to yellow, got t4 trauma 2 times

[umbral scaffold]

The worst part is that can't really confirm it until you do a test in the range of billions

Or you look into code lol

But it's just one of those things

[umbral scaffold]

This is painfully true though
Fatshark loves bloating their games with garbage

I spent 30 minutes in VT2 one time just to roll Crit slaying and power vs rats+ power vs armor

Fucked up

[frank basin]

Modern game industry right?

[umbral scaffold]

Mhm
But Fatshark does it in a circuitous way that makes it obvious they want to waste your time

Other games do it with reward tracks

[frank basin]

Video game compete player retention

[umbral scaffold]

Or longterm unlockables ( like penances)

But Fatshark not only does that

[late hatch]

the old VT2 rolling before the items stayed in the crafting slot was so dumb. at least they improved it somewhat from launch

[umbral scaffold]

It also just makes regular things that should be QoL dumb

Part of it seems unintentional and they just are too busy/lazy to change it

( melk not registering quests until you say hi to his ass )

[frank basin]

Indeed

[umbral scaffold]

But then you have the 2 blessings lock

Which is just awful design

[frank basin]

What two blessing locked?

[umbral scaffold]

"you can only change 2 things in your weapon uwu"

Sorry
I meant 2 change lock on weapons

Arbitrarily just adds several layers of rng

[polar kayak]

is this trash?

[late hatch]

thing is, the horrible crafting has driven away multiple friends from playing this, and the people taht stayed are almost all non spenders on cosmetics

[frank basin]

If they gave player freedom they just gonna get flak and maniac perk all time

[umbral scaffold]

You need

1. to roll a good weapon
2. have 2 out of 4 be good blessings/perks
3. have access to the blessings you want to give it in the first place

[umbral scaffold]

That's true in minmaxing context ye

But it also dissuades you from using other weapons too

[late hatch]

looks ok. mutant res is a bit meh

[umbral scaffold]

When you know that each new weapon you may wanna try is like 30k Plasteel and several half hours of ordos buying and selling

[late hatch]

i would prefer ability cdr or toughness/hp

[umbral scaffold]

Pretty much why I know they're either taking the piss or just had a brain fart and forgot

Can't think of anyone who say how bad vt2 crafting was on launch

fixed it

[late hatch]

im 99% sure its suits looking for ways to maximise spending with trashy "retention" tactics

[umbral scaffold]

Then went "let's make Darktide worse than vt2 launch"

[frank basin]

Well rng is fun for certain thing but weapon usage is suck

[junior needle]

Some things are simply better choices than others. This isn't the players fault for wanting to choose the best approach to "winning".

[umbral scaffold]

You know it is

Same with the rotating shop

It's just making people chase fomo since it could be months before they cycle back

Better but that scion helmet before it's gone

Who knows when it comes back y'know nudge nudge

[polar kayak]

do people liek stamina that much just to move around the map faster? i don't use deadshot with columnus

[late hatch]

stam helps with dodging and blocking and sprinting too

[hollow ibex]

helps with block and push attack

and deadshot ofc

[frank basin]

Fomo like gta online Simeon car show room has 5 cars limited time almost of them removed from the game @umbral scaffold

Which I hated so much

[umbral scaffold]

Stamina tends to just also be a decent alternative

Because there's only like 4 main stats anyway

And 1 of them is wounds

[late hatch]

yeah but GTAV cost me like $80 and ive gotten free dlc every year

[umbral scaffold]

If it was like vt2 where stuff like power vs enemies are on trinkets

[late hatch]

for 10 years

[umbral scaffold]

There'd be a lot more variety

[junior needle]

Not with dodging, which is its own thing and doesn't use stamina

[umbral scaffold]

But because of the restrictions

[frank basin]

Did you buy shark card?

[umbral scaffold]

It's just stamina or toughness for most people

[late hatch]

nope never

[polar kayak]

oh i forgot about that. thnx

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah I bet that sucked hard

[frank basin]

Where you spent $80 for?

[late hatch]

full game on launch for xbone and then again for pc

[frank basin]

I missed out my favorite car on that day and is fucking me around

They change car rotation every Thursday

[frank basin]

Huh

[frank basin]

Like every Thursday I hop in gta online check Simeon car show room offering

Or check wiki fandom

6 am Thursday

[late hatch]

i had hundreds of hours in gta2, gta3VC, gta4, and gtaV i have hundreds of hours in. worth buying 100% imo

[frank basin]

Single player good design

But I’m too lonely to play single player games

[frank basin]

I start play multiplayer

[late hatch]

the only gta i barely played was SA

[frank basin]

I play most gta on Internet cafe

[neat stratus]

WHAT A TEEM

[junior needle]

SCORE SOME FACKIN GOALS

DRUM NOISES

[late hatch]

wo' yoo lookin at mate? wanna get yer face slashed?

[frank basin]

Sirdaggerdick

[distant peak]

how me make good

[serene sage]

Is that German for something?

[queen ridge]

man has a dagger in his pants

concealed carry, that's illegal

[zealous wyvern]

Sir Dagger-Dick

nothing german about it

[polar kayak]

is this trash

think i'll earn blessing on deathsplitter

[raw steppe]

Very average

It's a 2 liner

Your goal is to get dumdum flak or maniac

And then you can get a 3 liner

Which will be good enough

[polar kayak]

my 2 columnus :[ maybe te first one is better if i put lv4 fire frenzy on it?

[raw steppe]

2nd blessing is very low priority

[polar kayak]

ok thnx, need lv4 dumdum ... praying to RNG

[unreal bone]

If I want to use a recon lasgun yes I know they aren't that hot rn

Is rending strikes worth it

I have onslaught already

[polar kayak]

more rending = more better i hear

[unreal bone]

I'm 1 point short of Deadshot

and I kinda want deadshot cause more crits = more ammo saved.

even with the shocktroop nerf

[polar kayak]

ye

wait what nerf?

[unreal bone]

They nerfed the crit chains on lasguns cause they didn't like people getting infinite ammo.

Except the crit chain nerf only fucked the recons really

cause the other guns are semi-auto so

[late hatch]

if the first shot was a crit the next 4? were crits too iirc

[polar kayak]

ugh!

i noticed i crit with my lasgun and my ammo count always dropped, before i noticed it would not decrease my ammo on crit

[late hatch]

its still fine, just not infinite torrent fire as long as you can aim reasonably well

[polar kayak]

mad

[unreal bone]

No yeah it's still useable

But the nerf was intended to affect all lasguns

but it really only made the recons worse than they already were ontop of other nerfs

[fossil nymph]

Veteran best

[polar kayak]

i want infinite ammos

[unreal bone]

Just use a kantrael or helbore then

the nerf barely hurt them they are semi auto you are far less likely to hit the crit chain cap on one of them than a recon

[polar kayak]

i like vid ;[

clears hordes

or used to

[late hatch]

🤔

[agile yew]

Sweet to pick these that take RNG out of the picture

[polar kayak]

waiting for my +3 perfect stamina curio ...

[late hatch]

i have so many stam curios

[polar kayak]

i think i've only seen 1 +3 stamina curio

[raw steppe]

It just needs to be 76+ rating

[late hatch]

shop camping and roll up the blue and green ones

[raw steppe]

You'll get it eventually

[polar kayak]

ye, i don't check very often and i keep losing in damnation :<

today i finally won 1

[junior needle]

Yes, rending strikes is worth it. If you're using the 6d (which you should be) then it has modifiers that go as low as 50%.

Also don't use deadshot, it blows too fast on recons and the practical value gained is very low. I recommend taking the suppression node because you get the hipfire recon shot wandering when being suppressed while ads.

[polar kayak]

it seems that i win late at night more than i do in the daytime, maybe daytime people suck

[late hatch]

what level are you?

and server?

[woven tide]

Maybe you are just a night person

[polar kayak]

30, i can pick a server?

[woven tide]

[late hatch]

bottom right on mission select

[polar kayak]

wow, thanks, never saw that...

[junior needle]

Also there is no "crit chain cap". You either have crit strings or you don't. The nerf was specifically an interaction with crit strings to nerf recons synergy with shock trooper, as they're the only lasguns that had crit strings at all. It didn't affect anything else and wasn't intended to.

[polar kayak]

north america east

[late hatch]

just carried a <30 zealot that was talking about being a top 1% fps player and they went down and didnt know what to do half the time lol. at the end he said it was our fault coz we play position bad lol

[polar kayak]

maybe i'll try west tomorrow

[odd sparrow]

being an amazing fps doesnt help on a melee class lol

[late hatch]

yeah haha idk if they were memeing or actually bad

[fair relic]

What is a quick way to get plasteel?

[odd sparrow]

damnation quickplay

[late hatch]

like im not the best at this game but i can get through stuff ok

[fair relic]

ah damn, thats hell. randoms are pretty bad.

[odd sparrow]

there spawns 820 plasteel per damnation mission.
410 on heresy

[fair relic]

hot damn

[odd sparrow]

i mean if you have friends to play with do that instead

but regardless damnation by far pays the best

[white minnow]

805 on damnation

[woven tide]

You can also just do the Karnak twins. Majority of people who repeatedly do it have some quick clears with the fight and it's just faster than any of the other options. Do it on damnation as well

[late hatch]

yeah twins isnt bad farm

[junior needle]

I assume that's before the quickplay bonus

So that would explain some people seeing more

[balmy flume]

Play long enough, you can get through anything ok XD

[white minnow]

885 plasteel 😎

[late hatch]

yeah i think im competent but i wouldnt brag about being a god at this game. all 4 classes >100

[balmy flume]

(I say that as a Vet that underwent the same thing)

[raw steppe]

Getting better makes it easier lol

Also playing strong builds

Cuz winning gives a lot more

Than losing 😹

[late hatch]

what do you think of this tree? #veteran-class message

[raw steppe]

Looks meh lol

[late hatch]

support nader build, messing around on normal damn with a kant and new shovel

[raw steppe]

The keystones are good and you have none of the left side nodes

Usually the reason you go keystoneless is to take the OP nodes

But you've neither done that nor take a keystone

[unreal bone]

rending strikes fr is worth it on the recon lasgun?

[buoyant narwhal]

dump stat for power sword VI is finesse correct?

[raw steppe]

If you wanna just cheese and farm aurics with an op build

Theres like 4 that are very consistent for me

[late hatch]

focus feels like it takes too long to stack. weap spec i use somtimes. dont like the stand still keystone at all tbh

[white minnow]

dump stat on pswords will be cleave targets because that scales very little

[odd sparrow]

mobility. Any weapon with mobility

[white minnow]

on special attacks, 10.9 cleave at 60% cleave targets and 11.7 cleave at 80% cleave targets

[buoyant narwhal]

you want to hit the dodge break point though?

so like 60%

[raw steppe]

Revolver WS, revolver non-WS, plasma, ciag deadshot

[odd sparrow]

dodge breakpoint is 50 on mobility, cleave target really doesnt matter how high

[raw steppe]

Are the ones that i can always win on

[junior needle]

It's worth it on basically everything given it doesn't need to stack and applies to ranged, melee, and grenades. But especially on a gun with awful modifiers that go down to 50% (or below for carapace) on all armor types affected by rending.

If you must use a recon despite them being big shit, you have to be prepared for a particular talent setup.

[odd sparrow]

rending is super good on almost anything. Plasma and bolter being the outliers with so high armor modifiers its a little redundant but still alright

[late hatch]

not a fan of the laspistol X? i enjoy clicking heads with it, but i also run FOV and full auto mod. and i play lots of shooters so i reckon my aim is pretty decent

[unreal bone]

I love the recons I hope they get a buff soon.

Is Deadshot really that bad on recons tho?

[junior needle]

You blow through your stamina nearly instantly on a 6d even with +9 stamina from curios

[unreal bone]

Don't you still get the effects though with depleted stamina? The crit half of it anyways

[junior needle]

You are ultimately blowing all your stamina to down one target and then getting no value out of it. If you hipfire, you are subject to the shot wandering spread, which reduces your overall efficiency and ultimately nullifies the benefits of deadshot due to you missing more shots.

[junior needle]

Nope, you get nothing at zero stamina.

Has always been that way.

If you did it'd be a BIS talent

[junior needle]

Not really a dump stat on melee weapons, especially ones with as poor mobility as the pswords.

[unreal bone]

so replace deadshot with rending strikes?

[junior needle]

Show me your tree and I'll appraise it

But yes, you will be getting more value out of that.

[unreal bone]

I am sure it's not the best tree but it's what I like to use

my normal tree is shout veteran because it feels so stronk

[junior needle]

Recons are so weak that the shout isn't a terribly good fit for them, they need all the damage crutches the talent tree can give you.

[junior needle]

But you can try it for yourself. You may be satisfied with the performance.

[unreal bone]

I mean the recon shout build seems to work fine I've already played with this build

in auric damnantion hab dreyko hi-intensity hunting grounds

wasn't even using a particularly good VId tbh

only had like uhhh

dumdum IV and

Stripped down

cause I had no plasteel to replace it

[junior needle]

"seems to work fine" isn't exactly a stellar or objective measure of performance. I recommend switching precision strikes for suppression immunity. Recons have terrible finesse modifiers so the value of precision strikes is very low.

Meanwhile if you get suppressed your shots will go from near perfectly straight to all over the place in ads.

[junior needle]

[unreal bone]

I'm going to replace it with headhunter or infernus

[junior needle]

Headhunter is mandatory, best blessing easily

I wouldn't run infernus without it either

[unreal bone]

I didn't plan on it I have a headhunter infernus VId I'm making a 2nd one to experiment this one is Tier IV Dumdum and Tier IV Headhunter

[junior needle]

Switch opening salvo to the flat crit node for substantially improved overall value. I'd also personally drop ogryn/monstrosity damage for longshot.

Considerably more overall value and helps with a larger target variety

Another option is marksman, which is a pretty busted talent honestly.

[unreal bone]

flat crit node huh?

[junior needle]

Yes. 10% crit for a small amount of shots vs 5% crit for everything you do

[unreal bone]

yeah my question is

what fking node is that

I don't see any node that just gives you 5% crit for nothing

I would have it if I saw it.

[junior needle]

above infiltrate

[unreal bone]

Gimme a name

[junior needle]

It's just a nameless stat node

Critical chance boost

[unreal bone]

You mean the non-passive node ah

That takes 2 points tho

to get to that node

oh well nvm

On my other build it does

[junior needle]

Yeah, it's right next to the start of voc

[unreal bone]

yeah on my exe stance build it takes 2 points

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/ef2a02cbe0e52f62ae11cbd91e01e308.png

v3 rashad works

had to get used to shooting less with a headhunter autogun tho

[wary sluice]

I got a lucius mk2 with t3 infernus. is that worth keeping?

[bitter turtle]

infernus is ba don the helbores

misquoted

[bitter turtle]

how much do you believe in your headshotting ability

but yeah

just link your helbore if you're wondering how it is

[junior needle]

Infernus is mediocre at best even on the guns that use it well. It's really bad on guns that don't. The general rule is that the higher damage/lower fire rate a gun is, the worse it uses infernus.

[unreal bone]

I mean 250 damage over time isn't that bad.

Which would you say is more important for a recon build Rending Strikes or Bring it Down!

[bitter turtle]

try this tree

[unreal bone]

10% rending or 20% Ogryn and Monstrosity dmg

[junior needle]

As I told you, rending strikes.

[unreal bone]

It's worth more than the 20% ogryn?

[junior needle]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/0af7d9cf95b9a341cf6a08804658b633.png

just run both

the keystones dont do a whole lot for recon anyway

[odd sparrow]

for a helbore its pretty irrelevant since you would rather just 1 gib

[unreal bone]

No yeah for a helbore yes

[junior needle]

In light of suppression doing this: #veteran-class message

I recommend switching precision strikes for supp immunity

[bitter turtle]

that works too

i still take precision for melee

but

you can if you want

i can see the purpose

i find u have to be in melee range to play recon anyway tbh

these days

since u cant really shoot that much

[junior needle]

It typically does less per tick, and that assumes that you are actually fully stacking it on a target. On most guns you will kill most targets before you get any real amount of stacks/value off the burn or often even any if you just one shot things.

[bitter turtle]

unless you want to hog all the ammo

[odd sparrow]

precision strikes definitely helps reach some 1shot breakpoints

in melee

[bitter turtle]

ya i mean if you dont need it tho i can see taking supp immunity

[junior needle]

Double rending setups will bring you to 100% even at max range

[odd sparrow]

supp immunity is super nice, wish i had a point to spare on my revolver build

[junior needle]

This is true, I just don't recommend it for ranged purposes on that

[bitter turtle]

its not about the dmg falloff in this case as much as just the ammo inefficiency of this gun

[junior needle]

Is that a joke about needing to basically not use the gun to use the gun

[bitter turtle]

yes

kinda

lol

[junior needle]

[bitter turtle]

but also serious

at the same time

also shocktrooper honestly does fuck all for ammo efficiency too

its not worth a point imo

[nimble sentinel]

maybe for recon, but kantrael and hellbore it's noticeable

[junior needle]

It's right next to ammo bags and will give you likely at least 10 ammo per mag

[bitter turtle]

i mean for recon ofc]

[nimble sentinel]

ah righto

unfortunately true

[junior needle]

More if you're aiming heads with HH.

[bitter turtle]

ig its just how i would play recon nowadays

as a close range weapon to swap to

[junior needle]

Of course the value is substantially reduced compared to how it used to be

[bitter turtle]

on a melee heavy build

its just it needs a lot of points to do its job properly still lol

personally i'd value taking volley adept and demo team over it

but its a choice

[nimble sentinel]

MG IV shoots fast enough for my horde clearing purposes

[junior needle]

I think you could pass up the reload speed

It's a bit redundant on them

[bitter turtle]

i like volley adept on most of my guns if i can take it

https://i.gyazo.com/8e8bdb0b8d26158a59a5059eb3e3a75a.png

hose ammo even faster with wep specialist

[timid otter]

hey i have abit of an odd question

[thick wolf]

How do you trigger wep spec exactly

[timid otter]

If i was to throw grenades against a crusher and apply bleed, then after switch to a melee weapon with carapace would that increase the bleed damage?

[nimble sentinel]

kill with melee, swap to gun, kill with gun, swap to melee, repeat

[wanton dawn]

I need to test, we are never not susceptible to spaghet.

[thick wolf]

So basically play vet like he's Dante

[wanton dawn]

But that'd be unintended

[nimble sentinel]

kinda, yeh

[timid otter]

Well uncanny already from shovel for example benefits bleed from grenades

[thick wolf]

Shit and here I thought I would escape the quick hot switching of Doom Eternal or DMC

[timid otter]

So i dont find it to out of the box that carapace as a perk would aswell.

[nimble sentinel]

it's not so bad, melee the hordes then swap to a gun to kill that one elite that needs to die yesterday

you could also take focus fire or opt out of a keystone altogether

[wanton dawn]

I'd expect perk to modify the weapon damage profile, not be a buff like blessings

[nimble sentinel]

focus target* I just woke up

[strange grove]

this game has quick switching of weapons, but the server latency and lag makes it unreliable

[wanton dawn]

Well I'll be damn

It does affect grenade bleed damage

[strange grove]

why this game isnt p2p is beyond me

[timid otter]

brillant

[wanton dawn]

Though I need to test with no talent to be sure there isnt another weird interaction with damage talent

Nah, same things

[white minnow]

OwO

[fair relic]

wait, rending is actually useful for ranged builds?

[wanton dawn]

depend on weapon

[frank ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1119630083611705566/1129366467008270376/ezgif.com-gif-maker51.gif

[torn needle]

One day bolter projectiles will not be like 1 pixel wide

[fair relic]

Is there some text in game that tells you what rending does?

[dire olive]

No!

(it's basically armour penetration)

[umbral scaffold]

what's the best shotty for vet?

[dire olive]

Probably the Agri (green one)

Lawbringer can also do some silly horde clear with the right build

And is alright in general

[tropic notch]

None are good

I wish they were

[dire olive]

Good enough unless your team are completely incompetent

And even then

[tropic notch]

A white columns can out damage a perfect god roll shotgun

[dire olive]

So?

[tropic notch]

So they suck

[eternal venture]

It's probably because VT2 had a ton of host-client issues

[dire olive]

They're not unuseable

[eternal venture]

and FS didn't want to deal with that again

either that, or it had to do with crossplay

[tropic notch]

Not unusable but gets outclassed by everything lol

[dark rampart]

Lawbringer with the headshot keystone has insane horde clear potential

Quicker than a flamer can

[tropic notch]

The only thing shotguns have is there special action

[agile yew]

Whyyy, gave Power Cycler but lvl 3 😭

[iron marten]

unlucky

PC3 is still good though!

[fluid gust]

Nope! But they simplified it a little bit last year. So each weapon deals a certain percentage of its damage to different types of armor. Like a gun might be doing 1.5% damage to Carapace, and each percentage of rending and brittleness will add to that damage. So if you have 10% rending, that gun will now deal 15% damage to carapace, basically.

[agile yew]

If only it had been PC4

Would have been perfect

[fluid gust]

Rending and Brittleness is active towards Unyielding, Flak and Carapace, I forgot if it's active against Maniac.

[agile yew]

Cant cry too much as that was the first ever Power Sword i crafted or tried, and instantly got 2nd of the best IV blessings

[fluid gust]

Brittleness stacks on a target and benefits everyone's attacks towards it, rending is a personal buff and benefits all your own attacks.

[junior needle]

It is, it doesn't work against infested or unarmored iirc

[eternal venture]

Nahhhhh

[junior needle]

Although you'd be dealing 11.5 in your example, if you went from 1.5% carapace damage

[eternal venture]

Exe doesn't get you any new bps

The main upside is that Exe stance lets you save some points, potentially

Infil at least lets you reposition

[junior needle]

Exe is more point intensive for less value than voc currently

[fluid gust]

right, my maths ability is fucked right now

[eternal venture]

well yeah

VoC anything is going to be better

[nimble sentinel]

exe has a very minor use in instant swapping to slow swap weapons likethe bolter or a hellbore, and highlighting shooters can be useful, but voc just has so much utility on a 30s cooldown

I still want the toughness damage reduction back so I can go back to brambo

[frank ether]

Exe is a convoluded mess that tries to do everything and does fuck all in the end besides being a weapon swap for like 2 weapons in the entire game

[iron marten]

VoC with the Specialist Kills cooldown as well

[frank ether]

Oh yeah and gunners are yellow now, enjoy the piss filter lmao

[iron marten]

Quite the gamechanger on Shock Troop Gauntlet

[frank ether]

obese shark doesn't want you to know this

but you can shoot gunners without exec

they will in fact die

[iron marten]

What a shocker

Telling me I don’t need to awkwardly slide and dodge to melee them?!

[junior needle]

It's a massive stupidity buffer for your entire team vs deal a bit more damage (half the bonus is weakspot damage which blows)

Fatshark quality balancing

Oh and it also takes more points

[iron marten]

Just give me back instareload on Exe stance and I’ll stop using VoC

[junior needle]

Monkeys paw curls

You now need to take a spend a talent point for it, and it can't be taken with reset

[iron marten]

lmfao

[frank ether]

lmao

Personally I'd be happier if it was just a gun version of zealot charge

[delicate estuary]

add a tax to voc with 2 exclusive points so you have to choose overtoughness or stagger

[hard briar]

Just be an Ogyrn

Ogyrns can do that

[delicate estuary]

[hard briar]

Look at me

Ogyrn's the Veteran now

[bitter turtle]

voc already kinda fills that niche

i use it like i use ctw at least

[hard briar]

Petition to rename Veteran to Gaurdsmen

[delicate estuary]

people bitching about exe stance cause they are too used being safe with voc and never learnt positioning

[iron marten]

my ogryn is only level 15… my vet is level 600…

[frank ether]

I said gun version for a reason

[bitter turtle]

i mean its not untrue that some ppl depend on voc but exec just doesn't do a whole lot

even good players still run voc

[frank ether]

I want like a low cd weapon swap + reload ability

[hard briar]

So you invested in Vet not knowing that Ogyrn was pumping

[junior needle]

Positions silent poxwalkers, crushers, and maulers behind you constantly with the director

Nothing personnel

[delicate estuary]

just be aware of that happening and check everytime a horde spawns

[junior needle]

Oh yeah and poxbursters

[delicate estuary]

its not that hard

[bitter turtle]

imo it needs a redesign

good guns dont need it to reach a bp

[hard briar]

doesn't patch the silent trappers and mutants

[bitter turtle]

something that isnt dmg+

[strange grove]

exec stance is terrible, just make it always on with the targetting but remove the bonuses

[iron marten]

Oh I knew they were pumping. Had a friend basically carry my ass cause of kickback

[frank ether]

helbore/bolter needs the swap/reload more than the damage buff

funny thing is if you dont take some reload perks with bolter exec

chances are it will expire

[bitter turtle]

like

maybe this goes against the "spirit" of a marksman

but what could be really good

instead of dmg buff

all hits count as a weakpoint during the duration

[junior needle]

Just be aware of things naturally
Uses the ult that gives you maphacks

[eternal venture]

thatd be neat

[untold mulch]

Last week I had a Crusher spawn in the middle of our group and instnatly one shot me

[bitter turtle]

no more getting trolled by suppression, and it would be good against BoN when yo u cant get an angle on its back

[untold mulch]

Like the entire 4 squad was like WEHRE THAT ONE CAME FROM!??

[bitter turtle]

on top of just making it easier to hit oneshots

[iron marten]

It’s a pve game, I don’t think the ai on the receiving end cares that much lol

[bitter turtle]

yeah but i mean

maybe it ruins ppl fantasy

left side is supposed to be the 360 noscope tree

[untold mulch]

I LIKE IT

[bitter turtle]

and this exec would make you unga bunga

[untold mulch]

Maybe too op

[bitter turtle]

me shoot me hit weakpoint me do big dmg

[junior needle]

fund it

[iron marten]

I see what you mean though, reminds me of the dual lightsabers on jedi survivor having an auto parry skill check

[tropic notch]

I wish vet got cooldown on elites

Why they singled it idk

[frank ether]

easy bandaid fix is to allow weapon swapping in exec and make it so kills add duration up to a cap instead of reset the timer

[bitter turtle]

but yeah idk i thought at least the part where u no longer get trolled by ppl running their meme suppression builds is nice

[frank ether]

oh wait, I turned it into scrier gaze lmao

[bitter turtle]

reaper covers his face because someone ran all the suppression +?

its ok, turn on exec and body shot for weakpoint still

[untold mulch]

Reminds me of the payday 2 talent for full auto weapons

Smth like every bodyshot counts as 90% of headshot damage or smth

I always ran it

[frank ether]

that just sounds silly

[iron marten]

I already automatically aim for the head cause of vraks7 and laspistol…

[untold mulch]

IT WAS

[hard briar]

Exactly

[untold mulch]

IT WAS VERY SILLY

[bitter turtle]

same, v7 is my favorite gun

but im not gonna pretend i always hit headshot 100% of the time

or that it wouldnt be easier just to aim at all body if i could

lul

[untold mulch]

I don't hit headshots at all

[bitter turtle]

also there's the suppression meme too

where someone wants to run their terrifying barrage keep their heads down build

and u cant hit a head

[untold mulch]

I got no time for headshots, there is killing to be done

[iron marten]

laspistol became my favourite after patch 13 dropped, being able to do a fuck ton of boss damage with a rinky dink pistol is lol

[bitter turtle]

also would have synergy with marksman focus

[frank ether]

thats a silly idea

I'm not even gonna explain why

[bitter turtle]

well, wouldn't it be more useful than it is now

all the good guns right now dont rely on exec to hit bp

[frank ether]

I don't want an ability that does aiming for me

[bitter turtle]

so exec is reserved for their sick montage of oneshotting a boss with fan revolver

in meat grinder

[untold mulch]

Sadly, doing that probably would be too much

[bitter turtle]

yeah I mean, that's what I was getting at here #veteran-class message

[frank ether]

veteran is already the class of choice for all the monkey IQ gun go brr players

[untold mulch]

I like it

but probably would be so much dps it would be silly

[bitter turtle]

ig it would go against the spirit of left tree being precision focused

[untold mulch]

I still wish for a Gunner path for us players that don't go headshot fishing

[bitter turtle]

either way tho

i think it should not be dmg+ anymore

[iron marten]

idk, if you play fps on m+kb long enough, hitting heads should be fairly easy

[bitter turtle]

maybe just copy ctw homework and armor downgrade? lul

[untold mulch]

Nope to me

[untold mulch]

I got no bad aim per se

I nail and all

but headshot doesn0t come naturally

Center fucking mass

[bitter turtle]

downgrade all enemy armor types

during duration

that sounds useful too

[iron marten]

probably just biased cause I have 2k hours in CS :p

[untold mulch]

PROBABLY

[bitter turtle]

might be oh pee though

[untold mulch]

I hated CS gunplay so much

[bitter turtle]

ngl im mostly just thinking of things that i would actually find useful on v7 lul

[frank ether]

Idk why it would need such huge buffs

what it offers is fine

[delicate estuary]

dunno man I have no issues with exe stance

[frank ether]

its just a pain to keep up

[delicate estuary]

I just accept I cant clutch everything with it

and thats fine

[frank ether]

because staying in ranged is silly

[bitter turtle]

idk

i just dont see the point in running it on the exact guns u'd think would run it

why would i run it on v7

i already make sure i hit every bp i want

[untold mulch]

Almost everything in game wants to get closer

Why I bitch also about ILas inverse fall off

[bitter turtle]

without it

i wouldnt want to depend on a conditional skill to oneshot stuff

[untold mulch]

Yeah, conditional stuff is a pain in the ass

[frank ether]

I don't rly have a problem hitting VoC or zealot charge to murk something tanky

[bitter turtle]

and like

the reason i said armor downgrade

was cause the ONE THING i would wnat it to conditionally help me kill (carapace)

it barely helps

lol

[placid portal]

Longshot talent + Infantry Lasgun be like
"Hey buddy, I heard you like using inverse damage fallof weapons, so I inversed the the falloff on your inverse falloff so you can inverse falloff while your weapon has inverse fallof"

[bitter turtle]

for guns like v7 i mean

[lyric dock]

And 90% of vets run Krak nades to deal with Crushers

[frank ether]

if you slap rending to exec

I'll use it with ciag and speedrun the entire game

thats what will happen

[placid portal]

If rending was part of Exec Buffs that'd be nice

[bitter turtle]

well honestly

[frank ether]

you had big rending in P13 and you remember how that ended

[bitter turtle]

i dont like the idea of the armor downgrade as much as the "all hits as weakpoint" personally

[lyric dock]

Give Exec stance and volley fire instant reload on use and that's good enough for me

[frank ether]

there is a reason rending got big nerfs

[bitter turtle]

just bc i LIKE that some guns cant punch carapace

but at the very least I just don't think the skill is "fine" as it is

its a design fail at least

its worst with the sniper weapons

[placid portal]

Or use it exclusively to swap weapons

[bitter turtle]

or that

[frank ether]

yes its a design fail

no making it juicy doesnt really fix it

[untold mulch]

Left side of Vet is a design failure

[iron marten]

pop exec stance for bolter
“Shit, need to reload”

[untold mulch]

Whoever is the lead designer, doesn't play shooters

[muted knot]

New patch ?

[frank ether]

if you're keeping exec up you're already murking everything and if its down you just wasted your ability

[placid portal]

You use Exe Stance to gain weapon damage buffs for BPs,
I use Exe Stance to swap to my ranged weapon,
We are not the same

[placid portal]

God I miss the exe stance reload trait

[frank ether]

just boring design it will always be all or nothing

[untold mulch]

I am always happy to run Infil

6-8 seconds of peace

+10 if allies nearby

[placid portal]

6-8 seconds of teammates' pain

[untold mulch]

Their problem

[bitter turtle]

i would run infil v7 if i could

[dire olive]

Reload and toughness

[bitter turtle]

over voc

god

[frank ether]

infil is cool, bit hard to reach but cool

[bitter turtle]

infil v7 sounds so good

can just plant my ass down for 15 seconds and kill all the elites w/o worrying about some fucking poxwalker interrupting me

[umbral scaffold]

what's exaclty ogryns for? generating memes? providing cover for the enemy? increasing the difficult level of the game?🤣

[untold mulch]

Joking aside

If I pop infil with allies nearby, I pop a shredder nade on my feet with underthrow, to compensate the aggro by stunning most enemies

[eternal venture]

There is one other use for Exe on Helbroes

[placid portal]

Crushing Gits

[eternal venture]

If you stack every single damage buff

[dire olive]

Carrying you

[placid portal]

[dire olive]

[untold mulch]

Every time I clutch, the points taxes are paid in gold

[eternal venture]

Mk3 Helbore can oneshot Crushers

🙂

[placid portal]

nice how

[frank ether]

for like a 5 second window

[placid portal]

I need to KNOW

I'VE BEEN ONLY DOING 2 TAPS

[frank ether]

now imagine if exec was like a low cd spam ability instead of some upkeep thing

[umbral scaffold]

not a change, they just in the way of shooting😂

[placid portal]

It should be, since the duration is 5 secs

might as well remove refresh

[untold mulch]

ger cleave weapons and shoot through the dumb ones

[dire olive]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1194646351741468672/BE_QUIET.gif?ex=65b11c1d&is=659ea71d&hm=c6a0d7aeacc479811d1a1d44c165a13e116e8382aae5d8d733932400dbdc1a24&

[frank ether]

marksman runs out, you won't one shot if you've kept it up.

this is a problem only helbore 3 users will understand

which is like 3 people

[weak hamlet]

The other veteran had the audacity to call me bad because I did a bit less damage than him while bringing significantly more to the team than his pathetic mg12 could

[placid portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/650127814087147531/1124977302741188698/rekt.gif

[eternal venture]

You need Helbore 3, Exe Stance, Superiority Complex, Longshot, Bigger They Are, +25% Carapace

[placid portal]

I am among those 3

[eternal venture]

I'm one of the other 3

🙂

[untold mulch]

Bruh

[placid portal]

[eternal venture]

I'm a stealth helbore 3 memer

[placid portal]

Lucius Mk3 gamers???

[placid portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1077990912413667398/OGRYN.gif

[weak hamlet]

Middle ground hellbore supremacy

[untold mulch]

[weak hamlet]

I don't know the number because I'm not a nerd

[placid portal]

mk1 is quite nice

[weak hamlet]

BUT

Autogun supremacy anyway

[dire olive]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/1164002901815992399/rokk.gif?ex=6541a12d&is=652f2c2d&hm=68e89f417f8522878bccd19df3420ba6ed8f82bcadd07ace41f665f42b2db9fc&

[lilac eagle]

Im too autistic for helbore

I need rapid fire

[frank ether]

you know with all the talk about exec

what will realistically happen is

they'll nerf voc

[placid portal]

yep

[weak hamlet]

I'm not autistic enough for it

[frank ether]

and you'll still continue to run voc

it doesnt matter how much voc gets nerfed

[placid portal]

The only way that will kill VoC is if they weaken the stagger

[fair relic]

which helbore is the best anyway. I remember it being mark 3 back in the day.

[weak hamlet]

I mean they could scrap VOC's left node and I'd still run it

[lilac eagle]

There's no middle ground. You're either on the ADHD side of autism and cannot be bored to wait that 0.5 second charge time.

[bitter turtle]

nah

[frank ether]

If they go that path you can just play relic zealot

[bitter turtle]

there's 1 nerf they could do

that makes me stop

[untold mulch]

I got no time to aim

Shoot and run

[frank ether]

also very spammable, also gives yellow toughness

[eternal venture]

VoC is nutty because it's just Kruber all over again, except now you have multiple merc Krubers in a game

[bitter turtle]

just put demo stockpile on top of another skill

[untold mulch]

Hipfire like the old days

[placid portal]

VoC causes enemies to be taunted

[weak hamlet]

VOC is a two point investment (because you should never run the right node) while the other two are minimum 3

[frank ether]

Exec has a literal tax node

infil you dont rly have to take any

[placid portal]

They should make VoC taunt enemies to you

[frank ether]

you could run it baseline, its fine

[placid portal]

Now you have to deal with the taunted enemies

[frank ether]

baseline exec is a weapon swap

thats it

thats your ultimate

you weapon swapped

enjoy

[placid portal]

20 sec cooldown 5 sec duration

[untold mulch]

I only run -90% threat on Infiltrate

though because is a lot of tax to reach there even

[eternal venture]

Infil -90% aggro node opens up a lot of doors for aggressive plays/sniping

but it's not necessary

[untold mulch]

Fr

[placid portal]

Infiltrate is just filing taxes for administrautum

[weak hamlet]

People run infiltrate ?

[bitter turtle]

I'd like to run +1 charge on stealth but there's usually not enough pts to do it

[eternal venture]

infil's big problem is that it's tax hell

[bitter turtle]

not worth running it with the downside too

1 point i mean

[placid portal]

Right side is soo bad

[untold mulch]

I run it for the hyper aggression with no consequence

[frank ether]

its also right under smoke and speed aura lmao

[bitter turtle]

since you already have to give up so much to get there

[placid portal]

*smoke exists

[eternal venture]

Yeah that's part of why it's tax hell

[undone ingot]

Exec stance needs the instant reload and toughness back fr fr

[placid portal]

^^^

[eternal venture]

otherwise you're snaking across the entire tree to grab infil

[placid portal]

Get rid of ogryn highlight

[untold mulch]

Infiltrate lets me basically jump into the worst place in the combat zone

and pop F to leave

[placid portal]

bring back reload

[weak hamlet]

Bottom right is vet's strongest tree and keystone wtf

[frank ether]

its funny to me like 3 months and almost nothing is adressed aside from tree positioning

[bitter turtle]

bottom rgiht yes

top right is also the worst part of the tree

[eternal venture]

Speed Aura needs to be stam regen aura

[placid portal]

Top right nah

[bitter turtle]

and bottom right is easy to access through voc

[eternal venture]

or SOMETHING like that

[bitter turtle]

speed aura is fine

[weak hamlet]

Oh right yeah

[bitter turtle]

surv is just broken

[placid portal]

Stam regen would be nice

[untold mulch]

I sam mostly sure Fatshark just called it a job well done and went to fuck off becuuse they worrked too hard

[eternal venture]

stam regen would be great

[bitter turtle]

stam regen can replace surv

would fit with deadshot fine

[placid portal]

It's like the vet has only had doritos and mountain dew for rations

[weak hamlet]

At this point if you don't go surv and voc I'll regard you as a griefer

[placid portal]

with all that lack of cardio

[frank ether]

the funny thing is

if they murk surv out of the game

[untold mulch]

I am half griefer then

[weak hamlet]

And shredder nades are kinda mandatory too

[frank ether]

all the 40 IQ people will start moaning again

[untold mulch]

Shredder is love

[frank ether]

because fireteam will becomee go to aura lmao

[placid portal]

They always do

[frank ether]

''VoC op best pathing''

I can hear it

5 months into the future

[junior needle]

Well, the issue other people have with it is that it's just objectively weaker than VOC. Should be brought up to par and given better usability rather than just being an all around worse alternative.

[placid portal]

Can't please the ledditors

[bitter turtle]

nah, i think movespeed aura is the best generically tbh

between the two at least

always useful

[placid portal]

Movepeed sounds nice

[bitter turtle]

fire team is not useful if it doesnt hit a bp for u

[placid portal]

if it gave more

[lyric dock]

I tend to be more if you're a lone Vet and you're not running Surv. I'll silently judge you for your choices in life

[frank ether]

yeah but fireteam BiS for meat grinder

[strange grove]

exec stance would be better if it refilled the users toughness

[bitter turtle]

and your team isnt going to go

"yeah let me build around me being in coherency with the fire team vet"

[eternal venture]

It used to

before the talent trees

[bitter turtle]

"oh no i missed my 1shot bp because i dont have fire team vet"

[placid portal]

tbh reloading is more than enough

[frank ether]

its for you rly, not for your team

[bitter turtle]

ya

but for you

its just 5%

its not terrible

but idk about go-to best

i only take it on one tree

for rashad bp

lul

[placid portal]

Rather run faster

[weak hamlet]

Like EVEN IF you're an egoist and you only use voc for yourself, it's still better than the other two

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

yea but ppl also dont build around lacking %5 speed either

[bitter turtle]

you dont need to build around movespeed for it to be useful

[frank ether]

let alone

that they even make use of it

how many people do you run into

that genuinely kite enemies

[bitter turtle]

i mean they move dont they?

[frank ether]

fucking none

[bitter turtle]

lul

[frank ether]

NOBODY

IN QUICKPLAY

WILL KITE

[placid portal]

ahh kiting enemies

reminds me of GTFO

[bitter turtle]

i mean even if they are doing a dumbass charge into the enemy

[placid portal]

They will die faster

[bitter turtle]

any movespeed is going to make it less suicidal

[weak hamlet]

Has this actually happened ? I don't like to use the word that sounds like "regard" but this is pushing me lmao

[placid portal]

lessening the load

[bitter turtle]

nah opposite

if u dont make it to the gunners before they start shooting

you can get stunlocked lul

[frank ether]

for you.

[bitter turtle]

esp if you're a pug that doesnt know how to slide

[frank ether]

not for the lemming in your team

or the psyker who is staring at the approaching BoN

[bitter turtle]

i mean ok if you're gonna say "well they could be a literal dumbass" then no aura is useful

[frank ether]

if only I had speed aura my psyker could cure his brain freeze

[bitter turtle]

what if they run off the map in the beginning and die to a barrel

[placid portal]

minus ammo

unless triple staff psyker

[frank ether]

I guess I like your idea for aura though

to replace surv

just give stamina regen

[bitter turtle]

well surv needs to go period

[placid portal]

Pog

NEED MORE STAMINA REGEN

[bitter turtle]

fire team and movespeed are actually above average auars

compared to trash like elite dmg up (same amount as fire team) or loner

but they get memed on because >surv

idc if they bake it in as a passive or they remove it and force ppl to learn how to convserve ammo but it can't be something that competes with the level of auras in the game rn alongside it

[delicate estuary]

the problem is that exe stance is perfectly fine and voc is just stupid broken atm

[placid portal]

Virgin Loner Aura vs Chad Enemies within Passive

[bitter turtle]

idk about that , infil is jiust as good as voc really, if you ignore talent taxes

and hoenstly, is voc that much better than ctw

its just a defensive version of ctw really

[placid portal]

ctw?

[bitter turtle]

if everything else is more worthwhile than exec is the problem that everything else is broken or exec is just meh lol

[frank ether]

exec is perfectly fine being shitty scrier gaze I agree

[dire olive]

Exe stance is terrible lol

[bitter turtle]

chastise the wicked, zealot ability

[placid portal]

ah

[bitter turtle]

and yes, i'd run ctw over exec too

[junior needle]

I'd rate exe worse than pbb currently

[placid portal]

agreed

Point Blank barrage reloads your guns

[dire olive]

I mean I guess it's nice if you're going blind and need the yellow outlines

[placid portal]

[delicate estuary]

all I hear is cope about lacking the ability to position

[placid portal]

Spoilers

[delicate estuary]

[placid portal]

bomber fire

[frank ether]

lets skip the nerfs and delete voc so I'm literally forced to pick between exec and spending 3 tax nodes to reach infil

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

that will fix vet build variety

[junior needle]

[untold mulch]

God I ahte the position argument like the director doesn't spawns shit on your back every minute

[placid portal]

Exe stance highlights in Bomber fire

https://tenor.com/view/under-cover-mossy-camouflage-mad-angry-gif-17709343

[bitter turtle]

unironically

i would probably run ctw

over voc

if it was on our tree

[delicate estuary]

maybe use your tag button

[bitter turtle]

armor downgrade op

and 2 charge

[placid portal]

And guaranteed crits on melee

[untold mulch]

True

[placid portal]

25% dmg boost for 5s after that

[bitter turtle]

still has the aoe stagger when u need it too

not as big as voc

but good enough for trash

[junior needle]

Oh yeah, scriers make gun psyker do more damage than ranged vet too

[frank ether]

its only ammo that keeps vet relevant

[junior needle]

and VOC

[untold mulch]

I NEED MORE AMMO

[frank ether]

take survivalist and gunker is the better pure gun build

[untold mulch]

Not because I run out

I simply greed for more

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-more-bullets-gif-6493979152995335147

[delicate estuary]

I cant wait for voc to get nerfed so everyone copes

[last parcel]

hasta la vista baby

poom poom

[untold mulch]

-_-

[placid portal]

I'm not surprised it gets nerfed

[dire olive]

It's also the game's best flamethrower

[frank ether]

I have prepared

[junior needle]

I'd be surprised if they nerfed VOC and kept exe as the inferior ranged damage boost on the designated gun class

[frank ether]

I got a godroll columnussy and brauto on zealot

got a good knife aswell

[placid portal]

They will forget exe exists

[frank ether]

got a charge build, relic build

I'm ready for vetpocalypse

[delicate estuary]

I would rather see voc nerfed so people actually have to interact with the game

[frank ether]

oh yea the

''voc stun'' argument

meanwhile relic gamers be like

stun this boss for its entire hp bar

[untold mulch]

I got no hope on the gun part on the tree with the design choices they do

[frank ether]

or throw it off the map at reliable camp spots

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/bette-midler-danny-devito-ex-husband-husband-ruthless-people-gif-14617447

[untold mulch]

THE POWER OF THE THRONE COMPELS YOU

[bitter turtle]

if they nerf voc

[placid portal]

PoV you fight Plague Ogryn at the Bridge section

[bitter turtle]

would still rather take infil

even if voc is shit

exec is just useless

rather have 3 tax pts than take a useless skill

[untold mulch]

I run Infil

I accept all newcomers to the "NOT MY PROBLEM ANYMORE" church

[dire olive]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1197891156994953216/uncapped_edit_1705669816301.mp4?ex=65c62493&is=65b3af93&hm=0743c58f7e62dd42f1d02dea7ace922dae8905ca7f6b0a6fb88a859f53e7a5c8&

[bitter turtle]

exec is literally "+100 dmg per shot against crusher" for v7 lmao

[frank ether]

yeah but its voc thats killing the skill in this game guys

[bitter turtle]

that's all it does

[untold mulch]

fr fr

[bitter turtle]

everything else already die in 1 shot

[frank ether]

nerf it and darktide is saved

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/faith-the-unholy-trinity-gif-5793128026005531012

[frank ether]

fr

trust me

[placid portal]

Danktide needs more skill checks

[bitter turtle]

btw

i know what im playing

if i quit vet

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

but but voc easy

[dire olive]

You mean the matchmaking?

[placid portal]

XDDD

HOW

[bitter turtle]

knife inherits manstopper and scattershot

[frank ether]

lmao

balanced

[placid portal]

Damn Fixed Helbore limbsplitter

broke manstopper scatter shot

[untold mulch]

DAMN

[bitter turtle]

those ragers standing in a perrectly sraight line beter watch out

[untold mulch]

[placid portal]

More likely on Shotgunners

They like going in a conga line

[frank ether]

what was that about shotgun bad again

oh I'm not looking forward to getting through building guns on zealot

but I gotta try this

[bitter turtle]

ngl

i really like throwing knives

i know why ppl meme on them

but its like a little revolver

[frank ether]

its ok

I like it with brautos

[bitter turtle]

and if u run it with revolver

its like TWO revolvers

since it inherits handcannon

[frank ether]

just feels redundant to me with volvos

but yea

you can combo them

[civic knot]

I'm using new chainaxe w headtaker, maniacs + carapace dmg. What other blessing would you choose?
Bloodletter or thrust?

[untold mulch]

what did bloodletter do?

[civic knot]

16 stacks of bleed on special attack

[dusty sluice]

suggestions?

[civic knot]

Use the other chainaxe

😆

No but I guess change flak to carapace

[dusty sluice]

i have 170+ hours with it on zealot

[untold mulch]

I think is a question of, you prefer to charge your melee more time to get a breakpoint

or prefer to hit the special quickly and forget about it

[civic knot]

And change slaughterer to thrust I think

Bloodletter only really works on other chainaxe

[dusty sluice]

bloodletter is best on iv

thrust is better on new one

[civic knot]

Not true

New one can disconnect from shredding by dodging

And u still apply all 16 bleed stacks

[dusty sluice]

all chain weapons can lol

[civic knot]

Old one benefits from heavy specials

[untold mulch]

I didn't knew that

Huh

[civic knot]

Not the old one. You get stuck on the enemy you're sawing

[tough tiger]

Hit and run on crusher packs

[dusty sluice]

just tested it lol

[civic knot]

Eh idk man bleed isn't the best for crushers. You don't want em ticking down slowly, you want em dead

Huh?