With rending vs non rending (I unfortunately cannot avoid a single damage increasing node)
#veteran-class
junior needle
wispy hinge
Are you guys bullying the recon lasguns again
Please leave my boys alone they're trying their best
junior needle
Ironically we're not shitting on them this time
junior needle
We're proving how good rending can be
drifting oak
honestly the fast-with-reverse-falloff recon las has FINE damage
near shore
ya
junior needle
They're still shit though
drifting oak
It just
near shore
rending on it goated
junior needle
honestly the fast-with-reverse-falloff recon las has FINE damage
No longer has reverse falloff
wispy hinge
Rending is actually probably the only thing that can make it good
polar kayak
ok so more max rending must = better 
wispy hinge
Onslaught too
frank ether
it doesnt though
shooting a crusher for 3 seconds straight is a waste of your time and ammo
junior needle
honestly the fast-with-reverse-falloff recon las has FINE damage
The damage can become OK on a 6d with double rending, but still inferior to baseline iag performance, especially on headshots. Then you have the massive ammo economy difference and it's just like, why.
near shore
ok so more max rending must = better <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
ya, but 10% isnt enough so id just take onslaught
near shore
chain weapons, ps, knife
u mean like this? 1 shot
dire lagoon
What is the 10% rending one you guys are talong about?
drifting oak
midtree
near shore
near shore
my beef with it, is right beside it is this\
dire lagoon
I'm currently not using that on my mk5 build, only onslaught.
near shore
wispy hinge
I try to squeeze in survivalist into my build to try to counter the large ammo dumps
It works well enough
near shore
its prob vets best aura
junior needle
It most definitely is
polar kayak
u didnt take the midtree rending, took ogryns
near shore
near shore
u didnt take the midtree rending, took ogryns
i know, showing its beside the rending
if u put it on left side at like 20% then it woild be ok
- better choice beside it
- too low % to matter usually
example is this, take 20% dmg vs monster instead of 10% rending
rigid whale
rending affects bosses? huh
junior needle
rending affects bosses? huh
Bosses are unyielding, so yes
near shore
and frankly, if u cant do anything vs armor u should have melee to deal with it\
sharp ember
if your weapon deals less than 100% damage to unyielding it will help
junior needle
After 100% you get a damage boost at 1/4 the value
bitter turtle
rending affects bosses? huh
only thing rending doesnt affect is unarmored/infested iirc
rigid whale
affects maniac too? dang
bitter turtle
yes
rigid whale
gotta use it more often then
bitter turtle
is why i run it on v7
rigid whale
crushers are carapace and unyielding, right?
bitter turtle
just barely pushes me over the bp to oneshot flamers
lol
crushers are all carapace
rigid whale
ah
polar kayak
how much rending needed on columnus mk v build tho?
late hatch
crushers are carapace *and* unyielding, right?
bulwarks are a mixture of unyeilding and cara iirc
placid portal
10% rending aint that good compared to Onslaught for columnus
Bulwark got that carapace shoulder pads and leg guards
polar kayak
ok i will go onslaught and crit for mk v and try max rending/brittle on lasgun uwu
placid portal
but got a juicy unyielding body and head
placid portal
ok i will go onslaught and crit for mk v and try max rending/brittle on lasgun u...
lasgun???
polar kayak
vId
placid portal
Dear god
I have never used recon las
tried it out once in a test game but goddamn it did very poorly
polar kayak
i have one thats 373 rating with lv3 HH and lv4 infernus
finite imp
tried it out once in a test game but goddamn it did very poorly
Don't you like dumping an entire magazine on a rager?
Only for it to still not die
placid portal
finite imp
And then your teammate gets the kill because he has 15 HP left
finite imp
If a vets name isn't in the kill feed he's slacking
placid portal
Only the Empra saved me from depression
finite imp
Okay your avy
For the longest time
I think it was a cat cocking a pistol
I have no idea what it is now that I look closer
tall torrent
If a vets name isn't in the kill feed he's slacking
Or being forced into a melee horde while playing a sharpshooter build, u never know
placid portal
or zealot camping special spawn
finite imp
Or being forced into a melee horde while playing a sharpshooter build, u never k...
It's not that srs
placid portal
finite imp
I watched my entire team face planted into a closet just mindlessly swinging
For like 2 misn
Mins
placid portal
my melatonin increases whenever my name doesn't pop up on the elite kill feed
finite imp
my melatonin increases whenever my name doesn't pop up on the elite kill feed
Bro is a sloth fighting for consciousness
tall torrent
Wasted 6k plasteel and 7k melk coins but I got 2 godroll weapons on veteran and harvested several tier4 blessings
finite imp
The rending talents on the CIAG is nutty as fuck
polar kayak
= shredding
would u try to do weakspot build with columnus? i think i rather rely on crit cuz i like to spray
placid portal
Weakspots are pretty stonks in general
finite imp
would u try to do weakspot build with columnus? i think i rather rely on crit cu...
If you're not spraying with CIAG wyd
Still
placid portal
Autoguns got mad Weakpoint dmg modifier
tall torrent
placid portal
2.7x damage boost
finite imp
Weakspot hits are pretty hard
polar kayak
sigh
finite imp
I mean they hit hard
polar kayak
need aim bot :<
placid portal
imagine needing aimbot in PvE,
(i am very bad at fps games)
polar kayak
i try to snipe with my columnus mk v
finite imp
Inject maple syrup cut with cocaine into your femoral artery and pick up the knife
tall torrent
crouch spray and don't press move keys
placid portal
i try to snipe with my columnus mk v
Exe stance 
serene sage
Inject maple syrup cut with cocaine into your femoral artery and pick up the kni...
I read "femoral" as femboy
placid portal
significantly cut recoil
serene sage
what is wrong wtih me
finite imp
crouch spray and don't press move keys
This. There are so many ways to reduce the recoil
placid portal
what is wrong wtih me
just modern internet things
finite imp
what is wrong wtih me
polar kayak
Exe stance <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
ok, i been using the shout ability, will switch
bitter turtle
like i notice they are really silent until they get close in trains
as if all the bopping is cancelling each other out or something lol
finite imp
The internets a dark place
Full of redditors and soy
Tryhards and incels
Furries and femboys
soothing harmonica
placid portal
Could be darker
serene sage
as if all the bopping is cancelling each other out or something lol
yep
then again im also blasting music underneath so im to blame
placid portal
so keep on sending children to the Steam core as fuel
finite imp
yep
then again im also blasting music underneath so im to blame <:KEKW_ogryn:102...
What's your kill tumes
bitter turtle
honestly
finite imp
Tunes
polar kayak
*soothing harmonica*
not enough egirls. speaking of, i notice a lot of girls play this, more than i’d expect
bitter turtle
and the game would unironically be better for it
placid portal
finite imp
not enough egirls. speaking of, i notice a lot of girls play this, more than i’d...
Yeah?
polar kayak
i heard one talk on the mic, she was zealot
finite imp
Buying gf 2k
finite imp
I been married for 10 years now so I don't really notice them
bitter turtle
i've heard death guard is pretty popular with women
placid portal
🤔
bitter turtle
on tabletop
bitter turtle
meanwhile sisters tend to only be played by dudes lol
finite imp
Possibly
bitter turtle
not that surprising i guess
polar kayak
women that enjoy WH? zamn
ok, so this ogryn was like “bro come heal” and he kept pinging and she wouldn’t come and this went back and forth. finally she says (on mic), “i dont know what you guys are talking about, i’m getting buffs.”
and i was like owo. she was top DPS too
finite imp
We are a binary biologicality it's natural to be fascinated by our counter parts
bitter turtle
i dont know if that's the reasoning
placid portal
🍹
bitter turtle
if they like deathguards
finite imp
It's Def not the entire answer
bitter turtle
unless you mean they're attracted to rotted shambling walking corpses
polar kayak
and then there was another girl on mic i ran into, we failed both those times kek
finite imp
Remember warm bodies?
bitter turtle
I was more so speaking about men who play as women in games
i have my opinion on that
based on my encounters with ppl on mmos
polar kayak
I was more so speaking about men who play as women in games
traps
bitter turtle
lol
finite imp
and then there was another girl on mic i ran into, we failed both those times ke...
Should have gone into an incel tirade
placid portal
hrt?
finite imp
Hormonal treatments
bitter turtle
transwomen basically
finite imp
Yes
placid portal
Ah
bitter turtle
not completely off base tbh
serene sage
league world?
yall really gonna make me link this song huh
😳
im sorry I like League music
placid portal
League of legends? Cring
finite imp
Cringle
Man I still remember when that game first came out
I'm that fucking old
Fuck me
finite imp
I turn 31 in march
I'm basically gonna die of old age soon
It's a shame cuz I wanted to play mh wilds
Rip me
polar kayak
It's a shame cuz I wanted to play mh wilds
?
polar kayak
o
wispy hinge
Rocking chair
honestly based
finite imp
The official sequel to worlds
placid portal
but good news is Helldivers 2 is next month
finite imp
honestly based
M1911 in lap
placid portal
The official sequel to worlds
the aesthetics do be like that
polar kayak
monster hunter
finite imp
Yes
placid portal
Yee
finite imp
Yes
wispy hinge
i hope they bring back the giant shitting gorilla in the new monster hunter
tall torrent
but good news is Helldivers 2 is next month
Bad news is that it has malware grade anticheat
polar kayak
never got into it, bought it om switch and i dont play switch
wispy hinge
that guy was an awful fight lmao
placid portal
Bad news is that it has malware grade anticheat
That's not great
finite imp
Bad news is that it has malware grade anticheat
LETS GOOOOO
polar kayak
Bad news is that it has malware grade anticheat
o hell naw
finite imp
Because cheating in a PVE GAME IS SOMETHING WE REALLY NEEED TO GET UNDER CONTROL
tall torrent
That's not great
nProtect Gameguard
Ancient anti-cheat, can’t be removed from your system by uninstalling the game, and requires a special tool to be removed from ur PC
Also devs are giving u access to that special remove tool when u buy the game so you can remove the literal malware that comes with the game lolol
finite imp
nProtect Gameguard
Ancient anti-cheat, can’t be removed from your system by uni...
What the fuck kind of ass backwards logic
polar kayak
dafuq
wispy hinge
Iceborne post launch fucking melted so many cpus
which is ironic since its a frozen tundra
finite imp
If the DEVS know it's shit why use jt
tall torrent
I give it 8/10 on the “it’s over” scale
wispy hinge
also i swear to god if the new hub doesnt have comfy music like iceborne or bherna village im going to be very upset again
placid portal
which is ironic since its a frozen tundra
hey man when there's a cold region, the heat gotta go somewhere
finite imp
also i swear to god if the new hub doesnt have comfy music like iceborne or bher...
Just make it changeable
Ez
Add every hub song ever made
wispy hinge
Just make it changeable
arent they adding anti cheat?
i dunno if that will affect mods
finite imp
arent they adding anti cheat?
No I meant like
wispy hinge
cause you could change the hub music in world
tall torrent
Wonder when next DT update would be
finite imp
Same with rise
finite imp
Wonder when next DT update would be
Don't say next week don't say next week
wispy hinge
Same with rise
i remember them adding that to rise, i was pissed that bherna music was locked behind dlc
placid portal
MH Rice is meh
tall torrent
Don't say next week don't say next week
Idk when it’ll be
placid portal
endgame is just counter spam and augment gacha
finite imp
MH Rice is meh
Nice
wispy hinge
rise was okay, i didnt like the food in that game
tall torrent
I just hope they fix the new Cadian armor’s arm muscle rendering issue
placid portal
Legit GS is nearly unplayable vs endgame elderdragons
I hope FS fixes the goofy ahh shoulder pads
Or remove them
tall torrent
I hope FS fixes the goofy ahh shoulder pads
On savlar set?
tall torrent
I just really hate clipping issues with cosmetics
placid portal
I think FS Janitor is pushing these cosmetic design
while rest of staff is on vaccation
tall torrent
The new veteran chemdog coat is better in the clipping department until u realize the collars clip with like every headpiece possible because there’s zero physics to them
stiff glacier
Anyone got decent build for the left side ability of the skill tree
I have no clue how to create decent sanctified killzone build
tall torrent
Killzone is not great
But opening salvo is a meme
placid portal
Opening salvo is stonks on shotgun
spiral epoch
something like this have potential, or is 60 finesse too low?
tall torrent
Opening salvo is stonks on shotgun
Only if u reload back to full
tall torrent
Let’s say kantrael you have full 8 rounds
You shoot twice, then load a fire shell in (counts as reload)
This won’t activate opening salvo
placid portal
Wot
drowsy aspen
Try swinging it in the Psykaneum
tall torrent
It’s coded to work only for full reloads
tall torrent
Yes
Revolver, same thing
U can’t partial reload and get opening salvo
And opening salvo is already not good
tall torrent
It’s competing vs a 5% crit chance node on the commando tree which works all the time for all attacks
tall torrent
It’s a literal meme of a talent point
Even if it works for partial reloads the crit chance is not high enough for it to matter
It needs way higher crit chance or smth
20% or even 25%
bitter turtle
Let’s say kantrael you have full 8 rounds
You shoot twice, then load a fire sh...
im prett ysure its coded so you have to have 90% or more of your clip no?
the reason it wouldnt work on kant reloading from 7->8 is 8/9 < 9/10
tall torrent
im prett ysure its coded so you have to have 90% or more of your clip no?
Yea it doesn’t work for partial reloads because of that
So the only real reason to take it over killzone is basically nullified
junior needle
It’s coded to work only for full reloads
Is that only on guns with particular amounts of shots or literally every gun only gets the crit on the first bullet?
Oh I see now, it'd help if I read the other messages. Just for partial reloading guns.
tall torrent
Is that only on guns with particular amounts of shots or literally every gun onl...
Literally every gun only gets extra crit chance for the first 10% ammo in a mag regardless of reloads
It’s not about reloads essentially
You can run always prepared with weapon specialist and proc it with revolver and shotgun
bright fjord
is the blue syringe still bugged?
junior needle
So works as described then
tulip condor
What perks you generally want on plasma
bitter turtle
yeah
the reload is honestly a misdirection
it doesnt matter if you relaod or not
]just like how helbore can proc it if they never lose ammo from shocktrooper
as long as you're 90%+ in your clip then you get it
any thoughts on this
for v3/rashad
the gun buff from wep specialist is actually pretty strong on v3
frank ether
I like to go a bit more gun focused on vraks builds personally
but if you're mainly gonna use rashad why not
it can murk armor fine anyways
bitter turtle
strangely
i just find v3 difficult to use gun focused
compared to v7
it just is slower at picking just about everything off
frank ether
well its finesse has been nerfed
bitter turtle
well
part of the reason i went full in on wep specialist is i noticed the buff on it is stupid strong
like its not even just the crit, but the fire rate
frank ether
yea
bitter turtle
i go from like 1k-1.5k dps on a crusher to like 2.5k+
it turns into a monster iag
with long range precision
(for a few seconds)
frank ether
I'm just not sure if vraks 3 makes a good magdump gun
I feel like
agri iag is where its at
but Idk maybe I'm wrong
frank ether
normally I like iags a lot with wep spec
but I run a lot more gun juiced
precision/deadshot
bitter turtle
well
frank ether
btw
bitter turtle
ok against a crusher obv its not fair i guess
bitter turtle
agri iag doesnt have any built in crit
and
just didnt have the points
i hit the bp for trash mobs without it
so i just said fuck it
and crushers get shredded if my gameplay is going according-to-theory at least
i know obv it doesnt always work out so nicely though
where i have 3 stacks before whipping the gun out on one
frank ether
dont think that momentum will carry for crusher packs though
bitter turtle
the full clip cant even kill 1 crusher
but obv no built in crit ig
i'd have to pick up onslaught probably
frank ether
the full clip cant even kill 1 crusher
sounds about right without onslaught
I wasnt rly thinking of crusher
bitter turtle
its about enough to down 3 crushers
at least
like
in ideal scenarios
probably 2
since im not going to literally whip it out and start firing right in front of me
in more realistic situations where something can go wrong
well
aside from crushers
wouldnt v3 be better against gunner than agri
i feel like the main thing agri would be better at is cleave against denser hordes
not that that's bad
frank ether
I mean
bitter turtle
but i have rashad for horde dont i
frank ether
agri iagg one shots basic shooters
for gunner I think
its like
3 shots
if u go for heads
vraks can get some nutty crit strings though
I mean you fire a minimum of 3 anyways
bitter turtle
tho i guess you end up wasting 3 ammo even if theres only 1 shooter lol
frank ether
yee but it is what it is
most iag users be like
magdumping 20 shots for a shooter anyway
bitter turtle
and ya i noticed v3's crit string is just like
way better
than all the iags
so i got hit with the idea
lol
frank ether
Its got that DA
even though finesse is lower
DA hard carries
I mean even though its finesse got nerfed
you got marksman focus now
bitter turtle
i was also looking for something that penetrates armor that isnt named revolver or plasma too
for rashad
bc honestly
maybe my standards are fucked
but it doesnt feel that fast against mauler/crusher
lol
like it staggers them a lot
but it takes a lot longer to kill than lmao psword or 2bonk from shovel
frank ether
well for a weapon as braindead as rashad I think the armor pen is nuts
you kill crushers in like 4 heavies no?
frank ether
I mean its like 3 revs or something for chsword
frank ether
3 revs is an eternity when you're facing a pack
bitter turtle
its probably just my fucked standards
im used to literally 2 shotting them
w/ psword and folding shovel lmao
frank ether
psword is dumb
I think whats dumb is not that it can two shot crusher
Its that it can do it without giving up on anything really
bitter turtle
ya]
i agree
honestly i feel that way using the shovel
in a way
it feels like just a worse psword
jack of all trades but worse at every trade than psword
except mobility i guess
frank ether
I mean mk6 has some downsides to it
like losing energized when you get hit
but you can just
spam constant lights in most situations
and stun and murk everything
hollow ibex
bitter turtle
honestly
during what wa sit
patch 13?
when ppl were memeing on it
in favor of chainsword
i thoguht that was actually
a pretty balanced iteration
lol
the horde clear was untouched and they just gave it the big finesse stab buff with the block cancel which made it over the top
shoulda just left it like it was
woven coral
should I go for maniac, flak or unarmoured?
bitter turtle
maniac or flak
i think it depends on
how often do you shoot at hordes
like
scab bruisers
the bulky dudes
woven coral
is maniac only good for mutant?
woven coral
oh right the pox ragers too
bitter turtle
on the other hand, flak would be better against mauler and flak rager
so its like
ig i'd just go maniac if u dont really shoot at hordes
but if you pair it with a knife or something
and you actually need to kill
scab bruisers with your gun
then flak
woven coral
fair enough
i usually run the foldable shovel for flak and carapace
so maniac it is
frank ether
vraks3 moment
frank basin
“Uueeerrgh” -Crusher
frank ether
I think if u can reliably keep MF up on this gun
it might be preferrable to deadshot
frank ether
you only get mf rending at 10 stacks
bitter turtle
i wish they just made hitreg clientside
who gaf if ppl cheat
as long as they ban them i dont really care if there's an occasional game where i just leave if i see someone doing suspicious shit
frank ether
yea
dire lagoon
Reminded of the unlimited ultimate spam waystalkers on vt2.
gusty bison
Reminded of the unlimited ultimate spam waystalkers on vt2.
Tbf u can unlimited ult spam with cheats on waystalker in vt2
Just hit all headshots
XD
cold cypress
How can vets get more the 2 bars of heath
last parcel
equipping curios that give +1 wounds (bars of health)
the things below your weapons in the inventory
cold cypress
Cheers
umbral scaffold
How can vets get more the 2 bars of heath
Don’t focus on wounds they don’t help with survivability, wounds would only add extra times you go down but you wanna go for more health overall
scarlet smelt
does Reciprocity's crit chance turn off after one attack
bitter turtle
No
scarlet smelt
Is there a hard limit to Toughness Damage Reduction given by Talents
odd sparrow
Is there a hard limit to Toughness Damage Reduction given by Talents
no but it does stack multiplicatively.
so if you have iron will which gives 50%
and you have a node which grants 10%, in actual gameplay itll be a total of 55%,
so you can stack damage reduction to your hearts content
scarlet smelt
Close Order Drill about 8% with everyone present for a total of
83% at worst case scenario, if none are additive
probably mathing it wrong and the calculations are probably in some reddit post somewhere
odd sparrow
whats hunters resolve
scarlet smelt
Infiltrate modifier
odd sparrow
ohhh stealth node
scarlet smelt
I've been loving stealth. Even if I kill crushers and shit a little slow I still can because of Onslaught and I can fucking parry crusher and mauler overheads with the devil's claw
odd sparrow
about 80% seems true yeah
scarlet smelt
I heard the Operative Modifier talents with toughness DR are additive, actually
sharp ember
sounds plausible depending on how they work
odd sparrow
possible but theres not many of them left on the tree
scarlet smelt
yeah
I don't really see a real use case for maximum toughness DR on veteran you'd be missing out on a lot of other talents
scarlet smelt
95% at maximum
lmao
Return to pre-skill tree rework veteran
Functionally immune to snipers while full toughness in exec stance
thick wolf
meme question, is the recon lasgun usable in damnation
odd sparrow
damnation yesish, auric no. But regardless recon's are quite far below every other gun
hybrid token
game isnt hard enough that any weapon is "unusable" but its certanly not ideal
rigid pilot
It's definitely useable
If you use psword to carry the recon
Else despair at mauler/crusher waves
thick wolf
what about pairing it up with a sapper shovel
rigid pilot
Then you gotta play gooder
sharp ember
then pray you have enough krak grenades when the duty falls upon you to kill the crusher pack
or be utterly insane with your shovel
rigid whale
I've been loving stealth. Even if I kill crushers and shit a little slow I still...
i use stealth with kraks and focus target so i haven't been pairing it with onslaught
thick wolf
or be utterly insane with your shovel
or pray that you have a smite psyker
rough cobalt
Got great(I think) chainaxe from melk what should i replace for it to be even better?
balmy flume
Either go full rampage and sweep.
Or…replace Unyielding with Flak, and pick one of Rampage/Sweep to replace…one of the two blessings I think.
(Both existing blessings look alright to me at a glance.
rough cobalt
flak? shouldn't it be carpace since i can one-two shot flak armed enemies?
or there isn't enough enemies armed with carpace?
balmy flume
I wouldn’t insist upon it, but that having been said, flak enemies do outnumber carapace enemies.
rough cobalt
I just looked and chainaxe doesn't have rampage or sweep in blessings?
balmy flume
Oh right it’s a chainaxe, sorry was fooled by the skin
Not sure what’s good blessings for chainaxe tbh
gusty bison
Chainaxe wants slaughterer
I personally go for slaught HT
But slaught thrust is ok too
balmy flume
Also, since it’s a chainaxe, just keep Maniac for sure, then pick Flak/Carapace to your liking.
rough cobalt
I think I'm just gonna upgrade unyielding to lvl 4 and take Slaughterer when i unlock it
since i wanted my weapon for monstrosities too
or it's not worth it?
balmy flume
Nothing against that TBH.
Since you are changing the Unyielding slot from lvl 3 to lvl 4, if it doesn’t work out you can change again.
rough cobalt
Oh, right i forgot about that 😅
Still thanks for advices gonna check both perks in heresy run for plasteel
balmy flume
Np
novel merlin
I wish I had started to use the stealth ability earlier
absolute game saver being able to pick people up in hordes
untold mulch
absolute game saver being able to pick people up in hordes
Keep it in the down low, low throwing a grenade doesn't break stealth
woven tide
untold mulch
Though always be careful with popping stealth
can get allies downed if you do it carelessly
My friend mid horde seeing me pop infiltrate, so all aggro changed to him
dire olive
I had 2 stealth vets dump an entire crusher patrol on me in that small room you drop into on the broken staircase on the train station assassination mission once
Good times
nimble sentinel
shower thought: at higher levels the expectation is every member is capable of clutching solo, is using infiltrate and pushing all the aggro to 3 other people really that big a deal?
scarlet smelt
absolute game saver being able to pick people up in hordes
Throwing grenades doesn't break stealth, I think
nimble sentinel
Throwing grenades doesn't break stealth, I think
throwing does, rolling does not until they do damage
broken crag
just parry crushers to death
real
scarlet smelt
Really? I swear I've thrown nades while in stealth just fine
Getting the revive removes the stealth but idk about the nade, feel like I would have died during some saves if so
I actually can't remember exactly lmao
Maulers and crushers and bulwarks or some combination of the three surrounding the respawn totem, stealth, toss nade, revive while it ticks away
wanton dawn
shower thought: at higher levels the expectation is every member is capable of c...
Yes if you are aggroing ahead
dire olive
It's fine if you're using the stealth opportunity to actually kill high threats, but the people who use it to just run away can suck Hadron's oily cogitators
wanton dawn
Also the problem is less about melee, more about ranged
scarlet smelt
I use stealth to refresh my toughness sometimes
raven abyss
Yo can u post u favorite auric damnation builds? ❤️
scarlet smelt
Immediately break stealth and keep fighting
It's like a double charge toughness refill
wanton dawn
Yo can u post u favorite auric damnation builds? ❤️
Its a bayonet build
scarlet smelt
This was the first week or so of using the claw sword on a normal damnation quickplay
doesnt really do all that much on a crusher bodyshot without any brittle but
wanton dawn
Maybe i should make a standard melee build sometimes
scarlet smelt
big
gusty bison
Yo can u post u favorite auric damnation builds? ❤️
Which of the following do u want.
- Vraks 7
- Helbore
- Bolter
- Agri Shotty :P
raven abyss
auto gun
trim hemlock
Which of the following do u want.
- Vraks 7
- Helbore
- Bolter
- Agri Shotty :P
Pick 4. I know what it is, and it's disgusting, but probably can work
nimble sentinel
Yo can u post u favorite auric damnation builds? ❤️
pink monster fueled carnage and infinite ammo respectively
wanton dawn
I call it "stam managment"
gusty bison
Pick 4. I know what it is, and it's disgusting, but probably can work <:whatthef...
Ya talking abiut agri shotty right?
trim hemlock
Ya talking abiut agri shotty right?
Yep.
nimble sentinel
quick Q: who are the good youtubers for darktide builds and stuff?
gusty bison
Well
Frankly
There arent really any
Unless ur looking for the foundational/simplest most basic builds
nimble sentinel
darn, nobody making good insight or fun meme builds?
gusty bison
darn, nobody making good insight or fun meme builds?
Its more like
80% of it is "use plasma cos its easy"
scarlet smelt
There’s this one guy I started watching recently for darktide stuff that talks big meta shit
gusty bison
10% is "use revolver cos its broken"
scarlet smelt
Tone is aggressive in most videos but very informative
gusty bison
5% is "use ciag cos its broken"
And the remaining 5% is random shit which may or.may not be completely wrong
Basically every video kinda goes over the same points
nimble sentinel
I am somewhat tempted to start youtubing to bring praise to my lasguns
gusty bison
I am somewhat tempted to start youtubing to bring praise to my lasguns
There used to be a lot of lasgun videos
But now they arent meta so people tend not to make vids of them
Thats the thing about youtube tbh. Most guides focus on meta
nimble sentinel
i n f i n i t e a m m o
gusty bison
***i n f i n i t e a m m o***
To be fair
Most vet guns can go through a mission with 0 pickups
nimble sentinel
that usually relies on copious power sword anime nerd swooshing tho, my MG IV can go without a pick up and clicking heads the whole mission
gusty bison
that usually relies on copious power sword anime nerd swooshing tho, my MG IV ca...
Nah
A lot of weapons dont even need melee reliance
And frankly u wanna use melee anyway
Cos ranged tend to suck at killing hordes
wispy hinge
Most vet guns can go through a mission with 0 pickups
Don't care, I'll vacuum all the pickups up
wanton dawn
Plasma and CIAG are the top meta, followed by revolver, arguably agri brauto, and hellbore
gusty bison
Volver is more meta than CIAG atm
wispy hinge
Revolver is insane
wanton dawn
I see volver less, mostly on melee build
gusty bison
Frankly helbore is nowhere near the meta
I almost never see it
Its absurdly strong but
wispy hinge
I see volver less, mostly on melee build
Revolver is insane because you can put it on really any kind of build
gusty bison
God forbid needing two brain cells
wanton dawn
agri brauto is not a common pick either, still strong
wispy hinge
Cross class too
nimble sentinel
remember the days beforee the tree where if you had a hellbore vet on the squad it was an instant w?
wispy hinge
Its just so good
gusty bison
remember the days beforee the tree where if you had a hellbore vet on the squad ...
Its still that good
umbral garnet
Its absurdly strong but
CHAAAAAAAAARGE
nimble sentinel
hard agree
gusty bison
The issue is its not an easy gun to use
umbral garnet
BANG BANG BANG BANG
nimble sentinel
also hard agree
nimble sentinel
pre-tree vet with a hellbore was a guaranteed sweat
gusty bison
Its why plasma and volver I see more often than Ciag
wanton dawn
I see more volver on zealot than on vet
gusty bison
And why the brauto is overrepresented
gusty bison
I see more volver on zealot than on vet
Volver on zeal is ass unfortunately.
Psyker volver is solid
wispy hinge
Probably because zealots long range options are kinda limited
wanton dawn
As for vet, I rarely see impressive gunplay with volver, which is probably to be expected ?
nimble sentinel
tbh that might not be a bad thing per se, zealots are supposed to be melee focused after all
wanton dawn
As a main gun option, plasma is better
wanton dawn
Main gun ? I'd say better
nimble sentinel
revolver is always a great "fuck you in particular" option for agressive sword swooshing
gusty bison
Nah u can do more with a volver cos u dont need to worry about heat
wanton dawn
Back up ? Sure arguable
gusty bison
And ammo reserves are similar
The main thing about volver is u need a quarter of a braincell for positioning ans it encourages aggressiceness
And a lot of vets are super skittish
nimble sentinel
I find volver has better ammo econ than plasma, though that monstrosity crit headshot damage
wanton dawn
I cant remember the last time I had ammo issue with plasma
gusty bison
Instead of taking aggressive sightlines, many vets hide in the back and wonder why they cant see shit
Hence why they use plasma
Dont need to see shit when u can bang through 20 poxwalkers
Volver kinda relies on being in melee range to farm ammo off of poxwalkers
nimble sentinel
I take plasma on my melee build cause I don't trust quick play randos with 10+ crushers
also no good revolver rolls
nimble sentinel
MG IV still bae
gusty bison
XD
wispy hinge
Recon lasguns are very funny
gusty bison
Like even the Ciag requires more effort
Currently I find bolter to be the best balance between being complex enough to be engaging, without being mechanically demanding to sweat or suck.
Like there are non meta guns which are better than bolter
But those tend to be sweat guns
Helbore, Vraks 7, Etc
wispy hinge
Wish the autopistol was more viable. It needs more ammo in the mag and the reserve
gusty bison
Its viable tbh
gusty bison
You use it for a stealth raking fire build
wispy hinge
Not so much on vet
gusty bison
Its viable on psyker
How so
Crits dont matter on it
Id argue its most viable on zealot tbh
wispy hinge
Endlessly brapping leads to more brain bursting, its basically a guarantee if you're shooting at big guys
gusty bison
Endlessly brapping leads to more brain bursting, its basically a guarantee if yo...
Eh its one brainburst every 10s
gusty bison
You haven't tried it then
Sorry 15s
Theres a hard cooldown
U cant trigger the free brainburst more than once every 15s
pastel geode
Cursed thought, what if they redesign crafting to emulate warframe
wispy hinge
In conjunction with scriers gaze I usually melt big guys fairly quickly, its a great gun for it
gusty bison
Which isnt a lot ngl
white minnow
kinetic flayer is as poopoo as it seems but you have 30 points now at least
gusty bison
In conjunction with scriers gaze I usually melt big guys fairly quickly, its a ...
Uh. Autopistol doesnt benefit that much from scrier's gaze
wispy hinge
Benefits greatly what you talking about
white minnow
autopistol has one of the least synergies with scrier's
wispy hinge
Nah man I use it plenty
gusty bison
Its only a 10% damage boost with a very slow scaling up to 40%
gusty crane
In conjunction with scriers gaze I usually melt big guys fairly quickly, its a ...
Agree. Although I use recon las.
white minnow
alright, that's great that you use it often
white minnow
but that doesn't change the fact that it has one of the worst finesse multipliers in the game
gusty bison
Mhm
wispy hinge
Agree. Although I use recon las.
This guy knows what's up
gusty bison
Like scrier makes ur famage go up 10-30% practically
This is equal to exec
Or worse for most of it
pastel geode
Famage
gusty bison
But exec also tightens your spread
Im not saying to take exec with autopistol
But like exec >> scrier's gaze for autopis
The main thing about scrier's gaze is +20% crit chance
Which is irrelevant on autopistol
pastel geode
Scrier + columnus iag = ballin
gusty bison
Yep
untold mulch
But exec *also* tightens your spread
Very noticiable with hipfire
gusty bison
Agree. Although I use recon las.
Recon las with scrier is also meh cos recon also has garbage finesse for some godawful reason.
untold mulch
I can snipe with brauto and exec
pastel geode
Columnus is just across the board better than the auto pistol from my experience
balmy flume
Very noticiable with hipfire
I should hipfire with IAG in Exec more lol
untold mulch
Recon las with scrier is also meh cos recon also has garbage finesse for some go...
It has no recoil
Lets make each stat that could take advantage of that, pure dogshit
gusty bison
It has no recoil
*Lets make each stat that could take advantage of that, pure d...
Yep
untold mulch
gusty bison
Fucking stupid
untold mulch
Design team is smoking crack
balmy flume
Poor recon Lasgun
pastel geode
untold mulch
I should hipfire with IAG in Exec more lol
I don't use Exec and I still hipfire it
balmy flume
The only one yet to be redeemed
gusty bison
Thats all it needs
pastel geode
Rip disco gun
gusty bison
2.25x finesse = fixed
rigid whale
the autopistol should just be a dual wield weapon
untold mulch
I heard once someone
lets make it do even worse damage
but the finesse to be stupid high
gusty bison
2.7x?
I mean thats... basically a full auto vraks 7
I dont mind
(Give it deadly accurate)
pastel geode
the autopistol should just be a dual wield weapon
Implying they can remember how they designed the sword+pistol on vermintide lol
untold mulch
I fucking hope Hellgun is not a finesse weapon and is just the full auto lasgun that it should be
rigid whale
what about it
gusty bison
*I fucking hope Hellgun is not a finesse weapon and is just the full auto lasgun...
Thr hotshot volley gun?
Ur mobility is prolly gonna be ass ngl
pastel geode
what about it
Pointing out they’ve done it before but apparently forgot how to
gusty bison
With how heavy that thing is
wispy hinge
I'll take dog shit mobility while it's deployed to brap out endless lasers
balmy flume
I mean, it's a fair tradeoff, considering what Traitor Volleyguns do to us...
gusty bison
Become a turret when shooting
pastel geode
Ur mobility is prolly gonna be ass ngl
Depends on if it’s a backpack model or not
gusty bison
Depends on if it’s a backpack model or not
Without a backpack ur ammo is gonna last like
Not
balmy flume
Probably a 3 stamina bars run speed lol
gusty bison
Brraa- oh im out
Also I think all volleyguns are backpack models
Theres some hotshot lasguns that arent backpack
pastel geode
Somehow I actually expect that to be the case
gusty bison
But those are like
untold mulch
Ur mobility is prolly gonna be ass ngl
I can deal with that
gusty bison
Semi or burst
untold mulch
Become a turret when shooting
HOpefulyl is not pure static
untold mulch
Depends on if it’s a backpack model or not
Hellgun without backpack is jsut dumb
gusty bison
HOpefulyl is not pure static
Its prolly something like ogryn heavy stubber
untold mulch
Works for me
wispy hinge
I think it'll end up having mobility similar to the flamer, or something a little worse than that
untold mulch
My biggest hope
pastel geode
Hotshots and volley guns are really just interchangeable words as far as I can tell
gusty bison
Hotshots and volley guns are really just interchangeable words as far as I can t...
No
untold mulch
Hellgun with Outcast Engineer style path for bet
gusty bison
Hotshot lasguns are a thing
untold mulch
Hotshots and volley guns are really just interchangeable words as far as I can t...
Hotshot Lasgun/Hellgun are interchageable
wispy hinge
Hotshots are armor piercing
gusty bison
How do u make the hotshot volley interesting thou
pastel geode
🤷♂️
untold mulch
Outcast Engineer mechanic 🗿
rigid whale
true
wispy hinge
Probably some form of over heating and venting like the plasma id guess
untold mulch
Gib it heat, and energy flow and you pull it out with F
rigid whale
tbh that could be a cool 4th ult for vet
gusty bison
tbh that could be a cool 4th ult for vet
Ehhhh
untold mulch
I cope its like that
gusty bison
Ngl i dont see the need for two ranged weapons
rigid whale
i like shotguns
pastel geode
Increasing spread the longer you fire?
wispy hinge
i like shotguns
I'm sorry man
untold mulch
Ngl i dont see the need for two ranged weapons
That or the ulti locks your primary
so using 1 and F is the same
untold mulch
I meant primary your gun
balmy flume
i like shotguns
You know what Darktide is missing on that front?
The chonky Death Korp pattern Shotgun.
wispy hinge
Hotshot might end up having worse long range in exchange for armor piercing
untold mulch
So not hotshot + shotgun for example
gusty bison
Mm
In that case hotshot likely will need some finesse
Cos all of vet ranged talents deal with finesse in some way
untold mulch
Cos all of vet ranged talents deal with finesse in some way
with a new path would maybe not be needed
wispy hinge
Hotshot excels at killing stuff close range, on tabletop it shreds pretty well close up
keen wolf
untold mulch
Minecraft enchanting table
gusty bison
Hotshot might end up having worse long range in exchange for armor piercing
So laspistol?
Cos thats basically laspis
rigid whale
You know what Darktide is missing on that front?
The chonky Death Korp pattern ...
not a big warhammer guy, could i get a pic
wispy hinge
So laspistol?
Similar to that yeah more than likely
untold mulch
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031336732332924961/1200414648701304833...
wait this is from release days?
gusty bison
Sans armour pen
untold mulch
I think that image is when stats were nonnumerical bars
wispy hinge
But with insane rate of fire
gusty bison
Similar to that yeah more than likely
Laspis is still effectivr out to 60m tbf
So its not really short range
pastel geode
untold mulch
My beloved
pastel geode
Plz big fish
gusty bison
But with insane rate of fire
This is the hard part to balancr tbh
Rof, damage, ammo, accuracy
Something has to give
balmy flume
not a big warhammer guy, could i get a pic
rigid whale
damn
wispy hinge
Funny enough, hot shot volleyguns are more effective than standard hotshot lasguns lmao. They go up to 30 inches on table top
balmy flume
Eeyup. Coolest looking shotty ever.
untold mulch
Funny enough, hot shot volleyguns are more effective than standard hotshot lasgu...
RF2 S4 
gusty bison
Funny enough, hot shot volleyguns are more effective than standard hotshot lasgu...
Thry are also Heavy
untold mulch
Not anymore
untold mulch
Thry are also Heavy
10th edition they are RF2
gusty bison
Its basically a HMG equiv
wispy hinge
RF2 S4 <:uwugryn:1062882479310110720>
Its bEautiful man
untold mulch
Its bEautiful man
Enough to make a grown man cry
pastel geode
pastel geode
Diet hellguns
untold mulch
I prefer hellgun now, and maybe Volley Gun later
gusty crane
Recon las with scrier is also meh cos recon also has garbage finesse for some go...
It melts anything big. And your calculations are off.
gusty bison
It melts anything big. And your calculations are off.
Nah the calculations are spot on
Finesse is 1.4x on recon
Scrier is 10% base damage 20% crit, +1% damage per second up to max of 30%
wispy hinge
God when the hotshot volleyguns release they better release with the faction they're intended for, the scions. I will scream if a cosmetic doesn't come out when they drop
gusty crane
Up to 107% + damage when activating scriers.
gusty bison
Up to 107% + damage when activating scriers.
U can get more on Vet
gusty crane
And it's almost full uptime, with cooldown reductions
gusty bison
And this is still way less than what a columnus gets
Columnus gets like
+250%
At least
untold mulch
God when the hotshot volleyguns release they better release with the faction the...
They already milked the helmet
balmy flume
God when the hotshot volleyguns release they better release with the faction the...
...do you reckon Scions are the fabled 5th class?
pastel geode
I’m just waiting to see the illogical boost in recon las use when Elysian drop troop gear hits the store
untold mulch
Drop Troopers based
wispy hinge
...do you reckon Scions are the fabled 5th class?
Probably not, it makes more sense for it to be a cosmetic. I'm expecting either a ratling or a mechanicus dude
pastel geode
...do you reckon Scions are the fabled 5th class?
Eldar Ranger
untold mulch
Ratling is out because FS said they do not want more POV shifts
wispy hinge
Weapons platform tech adept would be fantastic, dual wielding the dumbest weapons would be a real cool idea
gusty bison
Ratling is out because FS said they do not want more POV shifts
Also imagine trying to shoot from ratling height
Just... no go
pastel geode
Mechanicus people can’t really fight alongside normal troops unless they really limit what weapons they get
wispy hinge
Just stand on someone's head I'm sure it'll be fine
untold mulch
Dialogue with Hadron
1001010101010 101010010 101 010 01010
"101010101010 10101010 1010101010!!"
the entire team
I hjust spammed 101010 for anyone who thinks I wrote anything
gusty bison
Mechanicus people can’t really fight alongside normal troops unless they really ...
Galvanic rifles and Flechette weapons and Radium weapons are fine
untold mulch
Also imagine trying to shoot from ratling height
Yep
pastel geode
Radium guns leak radiation though
untold mulch
OSHA cries
pastel geode
I don’t think Grendel wants his warband killing each other with cancer still lol
wispy hinge
The enemy within...
gusty bison
I don’t think Grendel wants his warband killing each other with cancer still lol
Eh. Thats YEARS
I dont grendel cares that far
He's gonna ice most of u guys after its over anyway
pastel geode
Tbf I’m not sure even rannick knows what Grendel is thinking given Grendel’s seemingly obsessed with secrecy
pastel geode
For all we know Grendel is a victim of a halo device using holograms as a mask
nimble sentinel
the Codex OSHAtes?
gusty bison
Lel
pastel geode
the Codex OSHAtes?
Written by Rogal Dorn
nimble sentinel
Written by Rogal Dorn
impossible he's illiterate
pastel geode
But it would be fitting if he had someone write it for him under his name
nimble sentinel
alternatively, written by perturabo
pastel geode
I was literally typing that XD
sharp ember
i like that the grenyl hologram randomizer included ogryn, as if to throw into the bucket that he was possibly an ogryn
an inquisitor ogryn 
pastel geode
Would be funny
nimble sentinel
why not, keel heretiks, with exterm-exter-extremin-big bomb and break planet?
wispy hinge
Theyre gunna do it while we're still on the planet 😔
pastel geode
Well I just had a trippy thought, what if Grendel is actually dead and an eldar farseer is using his name to manipulate events to make a vision they had come true?
nimble sentinel
Theyre gunna do it while we're still on the planet 😔
eez okay! Emprah protekt dem!
wispy hinge
Honestly I've been thinking about it and the 5th class ought to be sydonian skatros snipers
Theyre perfect
Their f ability can be raising their stilts
rigid whale
i don't know shit about Warhammer so whenever I hear someone suggest Albadongus or Skitterongos I just get confused
I just want turrets
rigid whale
true
celest vine
4 ogryns to win the orthus offensive hard mode right?
unironically its a good way to get it done
untold mulch
What the party name