veteran-class

[unreal bone]

Imagine if they atleast give us new content in the shop rotation tomorrow

[soft blade]

this is the progressive thinking the balance team needs

[untold mulch]

Shocktrooper now is a +100% to ammo consumption on crit (only for Recon)

[idle swallow]

Copy that, palette swap inbound

[unreal bone]

you joke but

I wouldn't complain

if we got the Relic of Cadia set.

which is a color swap of an existing set

[soft blade]

if it was a palette swap of the scion helmet i’d be there

just make it navy blue and i’ll buy it

[untold mulch]

I am still waiting for either
A) Scion set is gonna be sold in parts 1400 aquilas each
B) Next will be the full set, but now in another color

Do your bets lads

[soft blade]

[unborn perch]

Just gona throw this out there. If you don't know, the key to success of the Auric Damnation Hab Dreyko mission is the infiltrator Veteran.

[untold mulch]

Infiltrator Vet is my way to go

and is so good to just, F

Do objective in peace

[unborn perch]

This is the way

[crude fiber]

Been loving the shredder auto pistol and my overkill damage with it never breaks 5 digit numbers

[serene sage]

guys is this bricked?

[untold mulch]

[unreal bone]

This is a palette swap

[untold mulch]

Gib it to me f you don't want it

[unreal bone]

and nobody would complain

if we got it tomorrow

[serene sage]

[unreal bone]

and it'd be new-ish

[serene sage]

wait do we put thrust on that thing or uncanny?

im assuming deci4 is cool to keep

[unborn perch]

I'd just roll thrust 4 over the III and call it a day.

[untold mulch]

I would put thrust to allow bigger damage to elites

[serene sage]

it's for boss killing

[untold mulch]

Then I guess thats that

[serene sage]

so ill keep thrust then

alright

usable

I guess

[unborn perch]

Totally fine

[hardy pollen]

What day is it swapping?

Because i wanna make a kasrkin

If that’s what you meant by palette swap

[untold mulch]

I need decimator

[unreal bone]

tomorrow we dont know what is coming out

[hardy pollen]

Damn

Well i hope it’s either steel legion or more guardsman stuff

[unreal bone]

I hope it's the green set I just posted

This set was leaked

12 months ago

actually more

[hardy pollen]

Yeah I hope so too because it’s perfect for a cadian Kasrkin or making a full scion set

[near sable]

unfathomably based

[timber phoenix]

What’s the base armor it’s a swap of?

[hard briar]

And the devs lie to you about the chances by like 20% sooo

[tranquil bronze]

So I was told there was a free cosmetic

[hard briar]

That's new

[tranquil bronze]

So I guess not

[noble onyx]

Not 60% defense, dump it

[hardy pollen]

Ngl if they added a hellgun as a ability for the vet they could possibly add a Plague marine as a boss

[untold mulch]

Outcast Engineer of VT2 code

is right there

Use it obese megalodon

[hardy pollen]

[hardy pollen]

[frank ether]

the thing is

I wouldn't mind if they at least

bothered to bundle some recolors together

but breaking sets down to literally single pieces is like

yikers

[hard briar]

Well the problem with that is there'd have to be actual CSM involved with the Moebian traitor gaurd

[frank ether]

what can I say they know how to milk whales very well

[untold mulch]

I am seeing it coming

1400 x4 pieces

Head, chest, legs, backpack

Get that sweet money

[frank ether]

its like the worst possible case

[untold mulch]

I am bracing for it

[frank ether]

price raise check
no recolors bundled check
set separated and sold over bazillion week period check

[untold mulch]

Fatshark cosmetic team deserve no good faith whatsover

[hardy pollen]

To be fair tyberos is known to randomly spread plagues on planets

Especially the Pox walker ones

[frank ether]

Its like the worst possible system ever yeah

I've played a lot of different type of games with predatory cosmetic shops that are like designed to milk whales

but they usually have one thing in common

if you're spending mullas at least you're feeling happy about your purchase

[ancient raptor]

true

[hard briar]

Yet we already know how this plague spread

[hardy pollen]

True true

[hard briar]

The Moebian 6th made it, put canisters on the train, crashed it.
0 involvement from CSM

[hardy pollen]

Still though it could get the attention of the death guard

Especially since the cultists are summoning Nurgle deamons left and right

[hard briar]

How? There's a Warp storm blocking communications going in and out

We had to use that big antenna to try and send an encrypted report because of this

And apparently only a few people know how to use such constructs

[hardy pollen]

Dude you know who the deathguard are right?

[hard briar]

Yea the dudes who recently took a big L

[hardy pollen]

By the big G yeah

[hard briar]

And got Nurgle's Garden set on fire

Did that fight occur anywhere near the Moebian Sector?

[hardy pollen]

I don’t think so no

But i still don’t think it would be far fetched that one or two deathguard would notice

Especially since our characters took out a snot slug, plague ogryn or whatever the other was called

[hard briar]

So we have a storm that stops comms and makes travel difficult in and out of the system.
The Death gaurd are not in system or in Sector since this is clearly occurring around the time that Guillimam awakes and starts mustering for the next Crusade

Via voicelines alone

[terse idol]

Wait by that logic, DeathGuard don't give a shit about some backwater planet on the rim

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/arab-habibi-party-gif-21597610

[hard briar]

Especially one they can't get to

[hardy pollen]

The storm wouldn’t really effect the comms of chaos marines i don’t think. But then again I’m not too far into reading about the chaos marine factions

[hardy pollen]

That’s a good argument

I still think it would be cool to see a plague marine though in game

But makes sense why it wouldn’t be possible

[hard briar]

Do you think Chaos factions just communicate over long distances via different methods than the Imperium

If pyskers can't see thru the Warpstorm. What makes you think that Chaos aligned pyskers can see thru the Warp storm?

[hardy pollen]

A mix of warp stuff and stuff similar to the imperium

[hardy pollen]

Again I’m still going through most of the books lol

[hard briar]

But that's not how pyskers work and that's how both factions communicate and travel around the warp.

[hardy pollen]

I’m reading about the necrons atm

[hard briar]

Like..Chaos ships have Gellar fields

Because everything in the Warp isn't aligned to your chosen diety. Even chaos undivided have ships with Gellar fields because the things in the warp will permanently fuck you up or kill you.

The Warp is so much more than the 4 Chaos Gods and there is so much more than them in it.

[junior needle]

Something something favor of the chaos gods, something something daemons

[hard briar]

"Hey strange nightmare creatures that have nothing to do with any of the Chaos Dieties I worship, can you let me pass and not enact whatever strange ideal you mirror in the realspace and project in this Warp as a perverse extreme?"

🥺

[hardy pollen]

I’m genuinely confused if you’re actually trying to help me understand the warp more or are just trying to be rude

[serene sage]

I think they are making a joke

but not like a being rude joke

just a little sarcasm

the warp is a funky place is the bottom line

[hard briar]

The Deaths gaurd would have to have had contact with the Moebians to even care to help them.

And it seems what occurred is the Moebians returned to Atoma and were contacted by the Nurgle Cult in the underhive

Judging by how there's that cutscene of Wolfer bowing to the Dreg shotgunner

Tho then again Dreg Shotgunners were fucking space Marines back on release and maybe that's why he bent the knee

[fluid solstice]

Yo question

I'm experiencing audio bugs

[hard briar]

Endure

[junior needle]

You and many others

[fluid solstice]

Is it a known bug in game, or is it something else

[junior needle]

You'd have to tell us the nature of the bugs

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-there's-nothing-we-can-do-napoleon-pyritesian-gif-17490332095914688011

[fluid solstice]

When a high volume of loud enemies shows up (say poxhound pack,) all audio cues will become choppy or disappear entirely.

[hard briar]

If it's the plasma audio bug, this has been a known issue for about a month or more.
Fatshark has not addressed it

[fluid solstice]

It could be the game, or it could be my headphones, (potentially fixable,) or my network (I'm just fucked)

[hardy pollen]

If you’re using headphones set the audio thing to auto detect

For speakers set it to stereo

[fluid solstice]

rah

[hardy pollen]

I had the audio issue before

It’s because it gets confused of what device you’re using

[fluid solstice]

I'll givr it a shot

[hardy pollen]

[fluid solstice]

anyone wanna squad up?

[hardy pollen]

I would but I’m not home atm

How long will you be on?

Because I’ll be home within a hour or two

[fluid solstice]

not long I expect. I have some stuff to do

[hardy pollen]

Ah alright

[fluid solstice]

If I'm still on I'll lyk tho

[hardy pollen]

Sounds good

[frank basin]

Chipi Chipi Chipi chapa chapa chapa

[stoic jetty]

What do you guys think is more useful on a lasgun, flak or maniac?

[frank ether]

yes

[stoic jetty]

i can only reroll one and i can't decide 😐

[lilac eagle]

Maniac for sure

My lasguns tend to 1 shot flak armoured units if I headshot, about 99% of the time, and I don't run flak damage

Meanwhile maniac is a bit more spotty

[stoic jetty]

ok, that makes sense.

Appreciate it!

[frank ether]

you can change the rerolled slot as many times as you want

I personally run both

[stoic jetty]

yeah, true, but i'm poor

[steep pier]

Just realized krak grenades are sticky

[frank ether]

you get like enough plasteel to reroll it 3 times in one game

[stoic jetty]

sure, but not to re-craft an entire 370 lasgun lol

i get where you're coming from tho

[umbral scaffold]

They’re magnetized too you just need to throw them in the general direction of some carapace, I don’t think it magnetizes to flak but i don’t know

[frank ether]

I cant answer generic perk question because lasgun covers many guns

[steep pier]

It sticks to reapers bulwarks and crushers

[frank ether]

but generally you'd want both of them

alternatively you could also do with something like flak+elite

or crit chance would also be acceptable if crafting rng didnt favor you

if you're running deadshot stamina is also acceptable bad roll perk

[mighty sail]

What should I do with this? Pretend I'm an idiot

[stoic jetty]

Could you elaborate on stamina as a weapon perk? I've seen some guides suggesting that

[tiny summit]

That could be helpful or troll-y

[frank ether]

I dont recommend it

I'm just saying

if you had to work with it

its not bad

because lasguns are crit weapons

[stoic jetty]

gotcha, I run deadly accurate and headhunter right now on my lasgun

yea

[frank ether]

almost without an exception all of the lasguns scale very well with crit chance and have great synergies

so deadshot, the veteran talent

allows you to turn stamina into ranged crit chance and sway reduction as you ADS

downside is you need to feed it stamina

[tiny summit]

Fuck deadshot

Stupid gun asking for my stamina

It's mine

[frank ether]

small price to pay

[iron marten]

just regain it back using the talent that gives back 30% stamina when you dodge ranged attacks (I forgot what it's called)

also focus target

[tiny summit]

No. It's my stamina

[frank ether]

thats value also scales with your max stamina

%30 of 4 bars is nothing

[iron marten]

lmfao, yeah fair. I don't run deadshot in any of my builds :P

[tiny summit]

I will continue to be ignorant of deadshot like how I'm ignorant of resource characters in fighting games

[lilac eagle]

Tfw you've ran the same deadshot ranged damage build since release

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-gif-13612391308574250563

I now have a class identity crisis

There is nothing we can do

[tiny summit]

Have all these new options with the skill trees. Still mostly playing the default abilities for all the classes

[neat stratus]

Zealot - Best drip
Psyker - Favorite form of flashiness
Veteran - I love ranged weapons
Ogryn - I love unga bunga rock throw

[lilac eagle]

Tag is fun on a conceptual level

[slow spade]

bribe Fatshark to release a new class

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-warhammer-40k-brick-grimdark-darktide-gif-7305957782246441871

[tiny summit]

Yet the most brain dead player behavior promoting shit

[lilac eagle]

But I like the steady dopamine drip that is headshotting 20+ enemies in a row because they're all lit up like christmas trees

[tiny summit]

Exe makes me feel good and I find it fun

[slow spade]

play Pskyer and use only assail for that 100% headshot rate UwU

[tiny summit]

Though I want Exe to do more.

[neat stratus]

I like obliterating everything before my team can so I make sure not to take the version of it that marks enemies for other players

[lilac eagle]

I go purge Pskyer every time

[slow spade]

I miss when Exe did +50% damage

instead of +25% weakspot and +25% damage

[lilac eagle]

It makes weakspot damage builds even nastier tho

[neat stratus]

In all honesty I think the current version is a bit better

[slow spade]

but +50% damage is more damage lol

funny weakspot damage moment

[lilac eagle]

You set yourself up at the end of a hallway as a plague ogryn spawns at the other end? Activate exe's and just fucking melt that dude

[neat stratus]

It rewards you for aiming much more than old exe, a veteran that needs nothing but anti-aim weapons just isn't what fatshark was going for with exe stance

[tiny summit]

I think my issue is that Exe costs 2 extra points to feel like a complete skill. And 5s base duration imo is still ass and too short

[lilac eagle]

I've never had an issue with duration

[slow spade]

5 sec -> 5 minute

ez fix

[neat stratus]

This is true, it should have more aside from the damage boosts

[lilac eagle]

Especially when its between 5 seconds and infinite

[slow spade]

to be fair, it does mark enemies

which your teammates never do

[lilac eagle]

I've routinely had it where I've had exe's come off cooldown before my first one has even finished

[neat stratus]

Now I think 5s is just barely too short, it should be more like 7 at base and you regain like 3-4 seconds for killing elites

[tiny summit]

I don't have an issue with the duration on its own. I have an issue because I can either use it for 30s to over a minute against a room and then against a monstronsity it's like "woo...I guess"

[lilac eagle]

Yeeeeeh that is a drawback

[neat stratus]

I have an issue in that you either get nothing out of the ability or it literally becomes a passive boost depending on your difficulty level

[slow spade]

clearly it needs to be a permanent effect

[lilac eagle]

Imagine if it gave you extra time just for hitting weakspots

[tiny summit]

While VoC and Infil provide the same value

[lilac eagle]

Rather than kills

[neat stratus]

Now if it were just 1-2 seconds each, and you got nothing from kills I'd actually like that for certain enemies

[tiny summit]

I would accept a longer base duration and each kill gives X secs over full refresh

[lilac eagle]

That was exactly my thinking

[neat stratus]

I think that's what Im going for

It would prevent the ability from going on forever, but it would also allow you not to need that ability as an absolute for it to be good in the first place

[tiny summit]

Funny idea. Exe removing distance restrictions on talents and blessings while active

[neat stratus]

Maybe they could have an alternate skill for exe (locking out the other) that instead of refreshing the entire thing (or partially) it extends the duration to 10s and grants stronger buffs

You basically choose between consistency for a lot of specials or raw "DELETE THIS" energy for tanks

Stealth is also a bit of an iffy skill for me, it provides benefits I'm sure but it seems like it's just really situational

[tiny summit]

It is kinda a godsend skill for some maps and objectives

[neat stratus]

Now when it does work, it DOES WORK and can save an entire team, but its just kind of a less effective executioner stance if you don't need to pursue objectives that require standing still

[lilac eagle]

Exe stance is pretty worthless on some of the newer maps

Or at least certain sections

[neat stratus]

This one time a vet saved all 3 of us using stealth, never doubted the skill for that since

[lilac eagle]

Like that little segment where you have to unlock one of the three doors a couple times in arow

[tiny summit]

Newest Carnival map. When you start the ambush gauntlet

[neat stratus]

Especially with how powerful everything is anyways

[terse idol]

I mean taking like CqC

Its free damage

And an agro swap

And toughness refill

[neat stratus]

Thats true, free damage is always great

[lilac eagle]

For some reason melee combat just doesn't feel satisfying to me on vet

[neat stratus]

And you can save yourself, as well as your team with it

[neat stratus]

It's odd, weapons feel like they hit softer with vet

[lilac eagle]

Right??

[neat stratus]

Maybe its the contrast between the guns and the melee weapons

[terse idol]

Vet isn't built entirely for melee, it's a mixed medium

[lilac eagle]

Tho I think thats factual

[terse idol]

Weapon spec is like the most unique version that we got tbh

[lilac eagle]

Ogyrn has base 150% impact right?

[tiny summit]

You do have to go a certain way for melee. It works.

[neat stratus]

I mean the guns are so strong that you feel weaker using the melee tbf

[lilac eagle]

And Zealot can easily get extra impact

[neat stratus]

Yeah, mostly the right path boosts melee right?

[tiny summit]

Mostly

[terse idol]

Just use a rshad or a psword

😌

[lilac eagle]

Psword is good

It doesn't suffer from lack of impact because it just slices through shit

There is no resistance

[neat stratus]

I do use a Psword and I love it, but I also find that it kind of struggles to get a charge every second hit

[tiny summit]

2 temperamental weapons that want specific things to feel good

[neat stratus]

I have power cycler 3 because Im too unlucky to get 4 so thats probably alleviated by 3 swings

[tiny summit]

Rashad needing min 70s to be godly and BM. PS needing PC4 to be godly.

[lilac eagle]

Mfw still haven't found power cycler 1

[soft blade]

rip

yeah rashad and psword are mega picky

[neat stratus]

Anyways I actually kinda want to try out a melee stealth vet, I need to see what this plays like since I've literally never tried that before

[lilac eagle]

Tho honestly I got so used to thunder hammer gameplay that I can work without pcycler

[tiny summit]

Mfw I was using a PS w/o PC. Got used to it. Got PC4 on the first PS6 I upgraded to farm for it. Proceeds to barely use it

[neat stratus]

Id imagine you still be using a revolver since that thing hits like a truck with a jet engine

[lilac eagle]

Kantrael for life

Bolter on a spicy day

[neat stratus]

Yay or nay?

That 21% looks pretty nice

[tiny summit]

Have posted 4 Darktide runs on YouTube. My views ain't shit but all the views are for the Exe Helbore one

[jaunty sphinx]

Yay

Stamina regen is really good

[tiny summit]

21% health, yea. Roll it. Pull the lever. No balls

[neat stratus]

Especially with deadshot now that I realize

[hollow ibex]

Literally a max roll dude lol

[soft blade]

muy bien in that case lol

[neat stratus]

Stamina regen is basically ideal when your entire build revolves around having stamina

[soft blade]

it was already good before

[neat stratus]

I still doubt my luck even when it's perfect

[hollow ibex]

Even if the perk was bad. Which it isn’t. Still worth the buy

[neat stratus]

Anyways lol, aight thats 1 new trinket

[jaunty sphinx]

Yup!

[soft blade]

[tiny summit]

Yea I buy max curios when they appear

[hollow ibex]

Grats

[jaunty sphinx]

Congrats homie

[neat stratus]

Sig- I mean god emperor bless my current weapon shop rolls

[hollow ibex]

Same

Max toughness and hp ones are pretty rare

[neat stratus]

They're all dog

[hollow ibex]

Took me a while to get mine

[neat stratus]

[tiny summit]

Pisses me off that exp is still allowed in the drop tables at lvl 30

[neat stratus]

Here's the quickdraw I've been using

Gonna upgrade it asap

[jaunty sphinx]

Oh fuck yes

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/bushido-west-gif-20672030

Every time I pull that thing out to blast a heretic it always one shots every single time 70% of the time

The other 30% is when its an ogryn or boss

[idle carbon]

if that's for a WS melee vet, I do highly suggest getting the point blank talent instead of surgical
since IIRC you get basically a guaranteed crit if you have 3 melee stacks

my revolver has 31% crit by itself, and point blank is another 20%, and WS at 3 stacks will double that
if I'm reading how WS affects ranged crits anyway

[dire lagoon]

I'll give yah some views, same name on yt?

[dire lagoon]

Super nice until hadron bricks it 😄

[neat stratus]

Its more meant for deadshot but still useable

[tiny summit]

Sure if you want. Average gameplay.

[idle carbon]

quickdraw hipfire with a point blank handcannon to nuke basically anything and everything
I do that with my gunker, it's great lol

[frank ether]

I think upkeep is a genuine issue with exec compared to scrier

[neat stratus]

Does Always Prepared reload a revolver shot?

[idle carbon]

it rounds down, but always reloads one shot yes

[neat stratus]

Ah ok

I can imagine this build will be crazy

[frank ether]

Also having to choose between gunner/ogryn highlight is dumb

[tiny summit]

Yea. Sciers has pretty good base duration and you can manually control it. At least sciers actually is good vs monstronsity while vet exe only really shines with certain weapons

[neat stratus]

Sciers

[tiny summit]

But also ty

[placid portal]

hmm yes I will give vet a 5 sec damage boost active ability which can only snowball on auric high intensity

[frank ether]

I mean scrier also applies to your melee no?

[placid portal]

Yee

[frank ether]

you get value out of it no matter what

you can't possibly fuck it up

[placid portal]

You lose Exe if you think of pressing q

which is why I don't think

[frank ether]

the best part is

Its supposed to be super good on helbores and all that

except because gunner highlight is locked

I always lose it when a crusher shows up

[placid portal]

Helbores only get benefit on the first 5 shots at most

[frank ether]

Its like

[placid portal]

So only use it to quick swap

[frank ether]

the game doesnt even give me the option to keep it up

[placid portal]

Which is the good part of exe

[frank ether]

its either gunner reset or ogryn reset not both

[placid portal]

Dumb

[frank ether]

fucking

dumb

like exec needs to buffing

stat wise

what it offers is perfectly fine

it just needs to stop being autistic

[placid portal]

If ogryns get highlighted they shoulda brought back the dmg bonus from old vet ogryn/monster dmg buff as well

Now I can finally 1 shot mk3 Lucius on crushers

[frank ether]

Either tax me on target choice or tax me on active cooldown upkeep not both

I'm not even bargaining for weapon swaps at this point

[tiny summit]

Pretty sure

[placid portal]

I want the reload on ability activation back

[tiny summit]

Fatshark making psykers better ranged vets

[placid portal]

really useful on autoguns and boltguns

Now they gave it to the ogryn

[tiny summit]

Exe not proccing weapon specialist is a huge oversight. I don't see why you'd want to run that atm but still

[placid portal]

or agile engagement

which is also a bruh moment

[urban steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-darktide-sharpshooter-darktide-veteran-hello-chat-darktide-hello-chat-gif-2742873438399829862

[frank ether]

nah exec stance is like

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-lightning-vanish-vanish-from-my-sight-point-gif-16564052131561773235

[frank ether]

paying the price of

[urban steppe]

shop update when

[frank ether]

1 year of OP vet

[tiny summit]

Yea shooting an ogryn cuts getting a refresh close sometimes

[placid portal]

Though since I use mk3 maybe I should use ogryn highlight

Not that I should

Lucius MK3 is the definition of an Elephant gun

Kinda bops

[tiny summit]

Gib max Longshot at all ranges, kill zone with no restrictions, more dmg and more duration. Only then will I be somewhat pleased fatshark.

[frank ether]

lol why

[tiny summit]

Vets are baby and starved and lil baby men. Reddit said so

[frank ether]

oh

right

[tiny summit]

Idk for funny

[frank ether]

reddit thinks vet is weak

[tiny summit]

They think plasma has drawbacks

[placid portal]

Dont believe reddit

[tiny summit]

Ooh careful with that 5-10 toughness vent you might scratch yourself

[placid portal]

#1 rule of internet

[tiny summit]

Can't help it. You launch Darktide. Launcher tells you to join it

[crude ermine]

Reddit is ALWAYS right

[placid portal]

🤡

[tiny summit]

And what mommy hadron tells me to do, I do

[crude ermine]

I get my KARMA well from mommy Reddit goddess hadron

[woven tide]

[tiny summit]

Because I'm a good varlet

[urban steppe]

take my sniper for that longshots you will love

[crude ermine]

I gotta be put down

[placid portal]

mmmm nice

[tiny summit]

Scopes still feel wrong to me

[urban steppe]

but they were working

[crude ermine]

Needs to be longer

[frank ether]

what will next patch even be I wonder

[urban steppe]

and do their job

[crude ermine]

Like comedically long

[frank ether]

I'm like

somewhat predicting

[tiny summit]

Plasma variants

[frank ether]

VoC nerf

[placid portal]

summer or fall

[crude ermine]

Your are no wizard

[placid portal]

Def VoC nerf

[tiny summit]

[placid portal]

CD back to 45s

[crude ermine]

50/50 on the revolver nerf

[frank ether]

and exec unchanged

[placid portal]

nah

[soft blade]

[urban steppe]

fixes and recolor costumes

[crude ermine]

And 50/50 on it being an actual nerf or a slap on the wrist

[tiny summit]

I can hear my friend and the reddit already if VoC gets nerfed

[crude ermine]

I'll check for you if that happens

[placid portal]

Voice kinda OP since it's super reliable

[soft blade]

just gimme a long-las already fat shart i beg

[placid portal]

esp with concentration stims

[frank ether]

I'd rather they tie the cd nerf to yellow toughness

if that ever happened

my build has like all the damage buffs

its relying on spamming it to proc those

[urban steppe]

what that means ? 🤔

[soft blade]

a VoC nerf would probably send reddit into anarchy

[placid portal]

Good

maybe new weapons

[frank ether]

but either way its not gonna like

[tiny summit]

People were losing it over the 100 to 50 over toughness nerf

[frank ether]

its not gonna make me play exec

[placid portal]

and buff ogryn powermaul

[frank ether]

is the sad part

[soft blade]

99% of posts there already are just “does anyone else think vet bad now?!????”

[frank ether]

I'll still be playing mostly voc

[crude ermine]

No more extra piss toughness 😔

[mighty sail]

let Vets steal the sniper rifle from snipers

[frank ether]

unless they nerf is very hard

[terse idol]

VOC but it maxes out on 25 Toughness

[frank ether]

in which case just play relic zealot

[tiny summit]

Like 100 over toughness was ridiculous. 50 over toughness is still ridiculous

[terse idol]

😌

[placid portal]

-Redditors who can't get out of heresy

[frank ether]

that'd be fine

[placid portal]

Ye

any gold Toughness prevents alot of HP chip

or outright negates

[tiny summit]

Next they cover you in piss yellow aura so you can make sure you have it

[soft blade]

VoC that detonates your munitorum issue suicide vest

[crude ermine]

YEEAAAAAHH

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

just dont do another volley fire situation

[placid portal]

WOUNDS VET BUILD WOUNDS VET BUILD

[frank ether]

finally

is it time for matyrdom vet

reddit has been ready

[tiny summit]

Been seeing a concerning number of max wound psykers in my games

[frank ether]

they'll dominate the game

[placid portal]

Special input with grenades primes the grenade and you can run faster while the grenade is ticking dealing massive damage and downing you

[tiny summit]

Also the max wound ogryns feel like they are multiplying

[frank ether]

I feel like a bit of a hypocrite you know

I should own my words

and play more gunker

I've been complaining on and off about exec for days now

[soft blade]

on a totally unrelated note when are we getting tallarn cosmetics

please

[frank ether]

yet the better exec is right there staring at me and I refuse to play it

[soft blade]

i love tallarn

[frank ether]

I'm just... afraid of the grind for all the guns

[tiny summit]

I will stay an exe enjoyer because VoC is cringe and I have satisfaction in clicking the glowing bodies off the screen

[frank ether]

I got a good columnussy on gunker though

thats gotta carry me

what more can I ask for

[placid portal]

I use Exe stance because I cannot see

[frank ether]

I cant regardless when there is a staff psyker or ogryn in my team

[placid portal]

^

Too true

[mighty sail]

I use VoC because I don't trust team

[tiny summit]

Ussy-ification of the English language has been a detriment

[placid portal]

What's worse is how Bomber nades is effectively a smoke grenade

[crude ermine]

Wha

[placid portal]

made of phosphorous

[lilac eagle]

I feel its less forgiving if you fuck up

[placid portal]

Truly live in the degradation of man

[frank ether]

its the case for voc playstyle

very forgiving

[lilac eagle]

Like if you get caught by 2 Ragers and you're out of stam because of Deadshot, you're fucked

[mighty sail]

VOC is my favorite button, next to grenade

[lilac eagle]

I go down in that situation 99% of the time

[frank ether]

I think exec vet only went downhill in terms of survivability especially if you're into deadshot

[placid portal]

Woe, a Grenade upon yee

[soft blade]

if you’re not playing VoC yeah you can get molested pretty fast

[frank ether]

Its kinda similar to psykers in survival department for purist ranged vet build

but uhh

TDR

[lilac eagle]

Its a give and take.

[frank ether]

Oh yea I forgot

[tiny summit]

Exe MF Helbore. Bayonet good. Ragers no problemo

[frank ether]

exhilarating works now

so thats good

[mighty sail]

I've never used a Helbore, the charge up annoys me

[placid portal]

Tru

exhil is now good

we eating good now

[lilac eagle]

Full ranged vet fucking MELTS anything besides Carapace orgyrns, but gets dumpstered by anything strong in melee

[frank ether]

in terms of TDR yea

[soft blade]

[frank ether]

eating very gud

[tiny summit]

They're good. Give them a try. Mk2 or a mk1 with lvl 3/4 onslaught

[soft blade]

Helbore will tide me over until long las

[placid portal]

[soft blade]

[tiny summit]

Bayonet

[placid portal]

I like mk3 for the funiture details

[frank ether]

cowards all of you

I'm playing exec MF deadshot brauto

[placid portal]

Interesting

[frank ether]

I will psyops this build into reddit meta

just watch me

[placid portal]

you can actually hit heads????

with brauto

[frank ether]

occasionally

[tiny summit]

You spam exe mf brauto. I'll spam exe mf helbore

[crude ermine]

Plant it like cocaine in developing communities

[soft blade]

mag dump marksman build

if you speak with enough authority reddit will 100% believe you and use it no questions asked

[tiny summit]

Make exe mf recon look like its doing something. Try to sell it to some youtuber so they make a video that it's goated

[placid portal]

that's.... how you build marksmen stacks in current meta MF keystone

[lilac eagle]

I will never be convinced of Helbore

[frank ether]

Its better than recon tbh

[soft blade]

just give it some sort of buzzword name

[mighty sail]

recon lasguns exist

[crude ermine]

Your team was like the mouthdrooling gargilflamnits of Jorgenson

[soft blade]

like the super mega catachan cadian turbo krieg shooting build

[placid portal]

Not gonna lie, lawbringer manstopper is literally farming Damage, Fodder kills, and Crit hits

[tiny summit]

Uh. Yea. Pop an MG4 and mag dump.

[frank ether]

dfgkfghjds I was tied up in melee so much that game holy shit

[placid portal]

Unload buckshot and see your Damage go through the roof

[tiny summit]

Gargilflamnits?

[crude ermine]

Yes

Like the kildenbops

[tiny summit]

Kildenbops?

[crude ermine]

Rare species

[placid portal]

What in saint markus are these weird ahh names

[crude ermine]

Lab creatures

[frank ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/917682677279232045/1195538434882797669/attachment-6.gif?ex=65b45aee&is=65a1e5ee&hm=dee35ebdaec253022f5c972dd5ba54915af539e3042a934a98d2c8adb72e5c97&

[neat stratus]

"Knife is easily the best weapon in the entire game, due to its insane horde clear potential if you hit heads while also providing some of the best boss damage "

Reddit:

[placid portal]

Don't care, Rashad Axe Gaming

😎

[soft blade]

i think we should all just systematically lie to reddit until they collapse under the weight of the meme builds we feed them

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

some of them genuinely think we doing psyops btw

[soft blade]

💀

[frank ether]

there were like few instances of ppl saying we hyping up helbore to psyop people or something

[tiny summit]

Like vape nade

Helbore need a psyop?

[soft blade]

if your a redditor who can’t keep his hands still due to caffeine related tremors then probably

i mean they’d need a psyop to believe that vet as a class is good

[frank ether]

apparently

[soft blade]

because for some reason they all think vet is bad

[placid portal]

Infiltrate Lucius, kinda meh

[frank ether]

honestly if you've found that infiltrate helbore build on yt

I can understand thinking its bad

[placid portal]

good news, you can shoot without worrying about aggro, but burden your teammates

[soft blade]

the what

[frank ether]

Idk someone made an infiltrate larping build with helbore

[soft blade]

[placid portal]

nah I tried Infiltrate Helbore

Kinda meh

[soft blade]

the absolute state of youtube builds

[frank ether]

you shoot like once in every 45 seconds and then pop infil to tactically reposition

[placid portal]

can't act accordingly to problems, exe stance is prob better

[frank ether]

there seems to be like a general consensus

with some people

that teammates are supposed to babysit you

while you shoot your sniper gun

[soft blade]

oh god yeah

[frank ether]

I believe some of these people may even be testers but I can't prove it

[placid portal]

Shout is good since you can animation cancel draw animation but lose highlight while Exe stance has potential to do more damage at cost of survivalbility

[frank ether]

I just have a strong suspicion from design ques of exec and mf

they both promote that tunnel vision never use your melee xXmilsimmurricansniper420Xx brainrot

[tiny summit]

Infiltrate helbore is like...purely just having it for repositioning and objectives. It's a non-factor to most of the play.

[atomic zephyr]

accidentally triggered a daemonhost cause agri brauto suppression too strong
squad killed it by stunlocking it with autoguns and grenades
10/10

[tiny summit]

I run it sometimes. But its less running it as an actual skill to keep in rotation like VoC and Exe

[placid portal]

But if you want to repo and obj, shout does that too

[frank ether]

right side of the tree offers very little value to helbore

[placid portal]

also point heavy to go infiltrate

[soft blade]

yeah

[tiny summit]

Yea but what if I wanted to be different

[placid portal]

well more like 3 or 4 points

[frank ether]

yup thats the main issue

you lose a TON of points

for nothing

[tiny summit]

I at most only put 1 or 2 points into infil.

[placid portal]

the Grenade streamlining was good but I wish it was the case for active abilities as well

[frank ether]

you might aswell put those infil points into some toughness gen and go exec

genuinely safer

[tiny summit]

No

[placid portal]

and exhil is just good

[frank ether]

cause you get mad toughness returns if you take all the nodes

[tiny summit]

You do

[soft blade]

forreal man

[placid portal]

exhil + kil confirm

[tiny summit]

Exe with ET and CK pretty neat

[earnest lotus]

I'm starting to learn, I just did 3 redacted Penances in one game while stoned.

[placid portal]

was? I mean is good and I hope it can also applied to active abilities

[earnest lotus]

You really do just play and they get unlocked.

[frank ether]

having the panic button is nice but I can't really do much with it outside of dumping aggro on my teammates that are already probably useless to begin with

VoC would let me line up shots on stunned targets

like helbore voc? chefs kiss

stun chaos spawn, shoot its face

[placid portal]

I hate smite, I line up head and they stagger and I can't line up the shot anymore

[frank ether]

what will infil do it will keep spazzing out at your teammates while you shoot its ass

[placid portal]

Replace mercy kille

[crude ermine]

No

[frank ether]

yeah its genuinely detrimental to helbore lmao

[placid portal]

Even worse I can't see shit

[frank ether]

I think smite is one of those broken things though

everything is permastunned

forever

zzz

boring

[crude ermine]

Yes

[placid portal]

Yea but so is teh funny ground explosion staff, which actually kills and keep cc up unlike smite needing downtime

[frank ether]

thats also ridicilous

[placid portal]

Mercy killer needs bleed skills

[frank ether]

someone in general chat was saying

it needs larger aoe

[placid portal]

If you chose rending I'd say that Uncanny + Crit bleed would do more bang for buck

but I am addicted to backstab crit bleed

Finesse affects weakpoint and critical damage

Honestly I am not experienced of the knife in terms of how to maximize

[crude ermine]

Yes

Best pair imo

Since the knife has a very high finesse so you'll be increasing it and the weakspot damage even more

[placid portal]

[soft blade]

looks gud

uhhh idrk tbh

it kind of depends on the build

the one you have rn is good just all around

but you can do some funny stuff with bleed perks and mercy killer

[sharp ember]

flak maniac is a safe pick

[placid portal]

Or backstabbing is fun

[soft blade]

that too

[sharp ember]

wouldn't be mad with unarmored either

[placid portal]

Though you could make up unarmored chaff killing with bleed

Forgot if FS fixed charge rate reducing damage

[sharp ember]

charge rate is fixed now

[placid portal]

Nice

[sharp ember]

i have one that dump stats charge rate and it ain't too shabby

[placid portal]

Gets hot & blaze away is a good general pick

[terse idol]

I honestly think CR dump is the future

[placid portal]

sounds so

[terse idol]

uh, gotta change flak to unarmoured

[placid portal]

since plasma is uncharged spam

[sharp ember]

i would definitely dump mainly chargerate and secondary thermal

[placid portal]

ye

[sharp ember]

it's valid if you're into it, i'm a maniac + unyielding fan

[placid portal]

you can make a 1 shot on dreg gooners

which is a significant instance of picking unarmored

[neat stratus]

I tried out the melee focused build

god. damn.

Being not only one of the best for elite/special killing, but also at horde clear has never been so fun

[placid portal]

with a certain weapons you can dunk crushers

[neat stratus]

Splendid indeed

[placid portal]

nice

[neat stratus]

Now this weapon cannot be ruined

[placid portal]

if hancannon you can upgrade surgical

[neat stratus]

The blessing hand cannon?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[placid portal]

ye

[neat stratus]

DEAR GOD

[placid portal]

even after nerf it's good

[neat stratus]

(Awful perk but them stats)

(Actually maybe the perk is fine Im just dumb)

[placid portal]

crit for flechette + manstopper kant shotty

[neat stratus]

(Nevermind its awful)

[placid portal]

kinda specific setup but funny

[neat stratus]

(Nevermind again it could work)

[placid portal]

oh wait kant don't need manstopper

[neat stratus]

Damage is overrated anyways

[placid portal]

This gun loads 22LR

[soft blade]

41st millennium varmint rifle

[placid portal]

shhh

Skaven aren't real

[neat stratus]

Made for chaos squirrel double taps

[iron marten]

just had a pretty rough game

this was also the time I decided to try out vraks7 deadshot

[neat stratus]

Also stealth is a lot better than I thought, basically a "get out of jail free" card for you and your team

[hollow ibex]

For you but not necessarily your team

[soft blade]

kind of the opposite really

[hollow ibex]

In fact it prob hurts your team in shitty situations

[placid portal]

saving your own skin

[soft blade]

it’s more of a “hey guys i’m going this way you all have fun” ability

[placid portal]

unless a mauler overhead is upon you

[neat stratus]

Nah listen, as soon as I go down my team does, so if I never go down we can't lose

[soft blade]

[mighty sail]

I'm sure good stealth users exist

[placid portal]

yes

[iron marten]

I'm pretty sure too, I just haven't seen one

[soft blade]

i’m sure they do but they’re so good at stealth i’ve never seen one

[placid portal]

Stealth needs the user to do something pretty big

[neat stratus]

But yeah I mostly just use it to refresh my toughness, and that damage boost lets me clear out groups of elites

[hollow ibex]

Your team going down because you sent all your aggro their way

[placid portal]

like going behind popping off specials and elites

[steep pier]

Just got a ruthless backstab 4 knife drop

[placid portal]

A smart way to infiltrate imo is to flank and kill and return to groub

[neat stratus]

I never actually use the full duration of the stealth, it's just good for having your team die instead of you as you kill the elites for them

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-spy-gif-26295720

[neat stratus]

Also good for a free revive in a really tense situation

[placid portal]

Zealot giving vet his first knife

[neat stratus]

That's pretty much how I use it

[hollow ibex]

I personally don’t like ults that under many circumstances can be an active burden to the team

[raw steppe]

mercy killer is good if you're taking bleed on hit fyi

[steep pier]

Is ruthless backstab actually good

[placid portal]

ay man

100% rending is 100% rending

[hollow ibex]

But the real issue for me is the talent point tax of stealth

[placid portal]

you can 1 shot Trappers

[hollow ibex]

Otherwise I’d use it more

[steep pier]

Nice

[placid portal]

from behind*

normally Maniac armor kinda resistant to melee

[steep pier]

True yeah

[placid portal]

minus Mutie/Flamers

They are intended to be engaged in melee

[neat stratus]

Trust me, I somehow have a skill coherency aura; when I'm alive, almost nobody gets downed, but the second I get downed the entire team forgets how to play the game

[placid portal]

This is true

[hollow ibex]

I feel you

[neat stratus]

So if I bring stealth and simply don't die, while babysitting the team, nobody will die

[placid portal]

that 15% toughness per sec recovery is big monety

[steep pier]

I can one hit muties with Shovel spike

[placid portal]

Ye

Knife can do it

[frank basin]

Wazaoski

[placid portal]

if you dive your knife into its back and reach its skull

[steep pier]

Lol

[placid portal]

You can, but it's not realisitic

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/trickstab-trickstabbed-klown-klowntf2-tf2-gif-25525705

[neat stratus]

We need a bigger knife

[placid portal]

Crusher has mixed results since their heads are turtlenecked so their heads are in front of their torso

[steep pier]

I can kill them

[soft blade]

the ogryn gamer posture strikes again

[steep pier]

Takes like 3- 4 hits with Shovel spike

[neat stratus]

melk

[steep pier]

Nice

[soft blade]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[placid portal]

Take Thrust, pushes it to 1 or 2 hits

[neat stratus]

Wait thats actually good?

No shot with those modifiers

[placid portal]

kinda meh

[steep pier]

I'm after thrust 4

[shadow aurora]

Mb didn't see this

[neat stratus]

Ogryns get kind of annoying when they charge ahead, blocking your sight of literally anything

[placid portal]

nah Ditto

[neat stratus]

And of course they like to run straight towards the gunner 300m away like that's gonna help

Let me shoot em!!!

[placid portal]

Am ogryn, Pull out ma rippa, Shred the eretics a new one

[shadow aurora]

A real ogryn just nails them with a rock

[neat stratus]

This

[shadow aurora]

Basically a sniper

[neat stratus]

I cannot physically get mad at a good rockgryn

Being able to toss a stone across the planet to hit a sniper is one of the hypest things ever

[placid portal]

Me missing point blank rock on dog

[neat stratus]

Also its fkin hilarious when they hit a mutant, the thing goes flying

[torn moat]

What should I change?

[placid portal]

Dog is even better for space program

[torn moat]

Blaze away? Or switch the second perk to Unarmored/Maniac?

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-hak-jabb-gif-892289627481122892

[placid portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/452219191580295168/1087770724569186314/Bonk.gif

never gets stale seeing a crusher get dunked with box

FS boof Box

Need boom more damage

[neat stratus]

"So ogryns will throw an entire box of grenades"

"Got it, we won't make them explode without a specific talent but they'll hit like the sun"

[frank basin]

FS design

[neat stratus]

box.

[placid portal]

Lunch?

[neat stratus]

box?

[frank basin]

Rashun

[soft blade]

pulling pins is too hard i just want to throw things

[neat stratus]

box.

[placid portal]

Box.

[soft blade]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-darktide-oryx-gif-14283469670598028816

[frank basin]

Rock

[sharp ember]

Rock

[frank basin]

Did veteran chat become ogryn mind?

[placid portal]

Box > Rock because box has hidden inspect animation

[frank basin]

Wer rashun sah

[torn moat]

@sharp ember #veteran-class message

[soft blade]

sah where’s me throwin rock sah

[sharp ember]

I'd swap specialists to an enemy type of your choice, I would be quite comfortable with those blessings

[hard briar]

I personnel dislike Glory Hunter

It's a poor man's Confirmed Kill

[soft blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ahuenen-ахуенен-darktide-warhammer-gif-27260348

[hard briar]

It's the Confirmed Kill at home

[sharp ember]

check your elite breakpoints on ragers and gunners, if you're just shy of killing them, maybe +10% elites

otherwise just go Maniac

gloryhunter + confirmed kill + exhilarating takedown + out for blood

[tiny summit]

more toughness

[midnight totem]

alright

[hard briar]

Me, taking none of those

[frank basin]

Exhilarating takedown require headshot

[tiny summit]

not like plasma is lacking dmg

[midnight totem]

I just took agrip headhunter into a shock trooper gauntlet

and I have to say

[hard briar]

The more things I one shot, the less tines I have to shoot the same thing

[placid portal]

hear me out, out for blood + Lawbringer

[midnight totem]

it held up very well

[placid portal]

[tiny summit]

ET may reuire headshots but headshots easy on plasma

[hard briar]

If you need toughness just shout

[tiny summit]

no

exe plasma

[placid portal]

[hard briar]

Shout is on cooldown? Sounds like you didn't kill anything at all ever

[tiny summit]

no infil plasma with no surv

[frank basin]

I have infil plasma

[sharp ember]

it's less about gloryhunter and more about chopping down more breakpoints for me

[tiny summit]

its fun

[frank basin]

With survivalist

[tiny summit]

bitch

everyone needs some hair on their chest. No VoC. No surv

[hard briar]

True. Shame that Plasma must endure Confirmed Kill at home

[tiny summit]

glory at least restores all the toughness at once

[frank basin]

I only had one exe stance in one loadout

[frank basin]

And two VoC

[tiny summit]

I have 3 exe loadouts

[hard briar]

It could have something nice like Blaze Away.
Or maybe Fatshark could give us some real good shit, like putting NO Respite on Plasma

[midnight totem]

I put double crit blessings on it yes, and it actually worked fairly well

[tiny summit]

fatshark: we heard you wanted falter and terrifying barrage

[hard briar]

Or Openning Salvo

[serene sage]

Queen

[sharp ember]

🐟 best i can do is infernus

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-22727788

[serene sage]

Tell me the best Zealot build pwease

[hard briar]

I'll take it

[tiny summit]

brain dead martyrdom

[hard briar]

Play Ogyrn. Better Zealot than Zealot

[serene sage]

non matyrdom

[sharp ember]

if plasma had Efficiency, i might actually do it because i'm an ammo hog

[serene sage]

I hate running on low health

[frank basin]

Piety fury is funny

[tiny summit]

less thinking, therefore less worrying about whats best

[sharp ember]

not that i run those on lasgun

[serene sage]

nuuu
I hate those fat fucks

[frank basin]

@serene sage run Eviscerator the cc pattern with piety fury

[tiny summit]

oi what the big mans do to you!?

[soft blade]

everyone throw rocks at this guy

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/star-citizen-aurora-get-this-man-a-ban-gif-25968972

[serene sage]

oh you know

BLOCKING ALL MY SHOTS

EATING ALL THE AMMO

[hard briar]

Cope

[tiny summit]

mkxv evis with shred with the the cdr on crit on martyrdom turns my brain to mush

[frank basin]

[soft blade]

use a higher caliber to cut through his chub

[hard briar]

[serene sage]

I am, in fact, seething

[hard briar]

Here's some Zealot gameplay to back up my claims. Note I literally barely lose any hp

[tiny summit]

sounds like a positioning issue. they are big, cant be hard to not hit

[serene sage]

very based playing with portarit off

[frank basin]

[serene sage]

I can do that better with vets though 😔

[hard briar]

Untrue

[frank basin]

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/invader-zim-movie-enter-the-gif-14899370

[serene sage]

cope

[frank basin]

“Yeahs that’s right cope” -scout

[hard briar]

Vet has a very similar gameplay loop actually, just involves holding LMB on an agri brauto rather than heavy swinging a knife

[frank basin]

“Seethe mald, seethe. Cope” -scout

I use Graia brauto

[hard briar]

"Look this guy's coping here."- Scout

[hard briar]

🤮

[frank basin]

“What in tarnation” -Engineer

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/machine-gun-guns-fire-shoot-gif-17114614

[serene sage]

Honestly I think vets just feel good, I just want to try some yolo melee build

and ogryn is just boring

[frank basin]

Vet melee gimmick

[hard briar]

I got you

First. Get a combat knife

[tiny summit]

are you disrespecting fuller auto?

[hard briar]

Then go loner coherency bonus

Then go Zealot stealth

That's the build all other keystone and shit optional

[iron marten]

rip

[hard briar]

Queue up for auric, preferably a maelstrom

And mute teammates entirely

[frank basin]

Leave match when downed

[hard briar]

Best yolo melee zel build ever, just ask Lazor

[serene sage]

I see

[frank basin]

I predict that

[serene sage]

who is lazor

is it edible

[tiny summit]

say at the start "dont worry I'll carry"and then mute

[hard briar]

@hot rampart

[hot rampart]

why am I being mentioned in vet chat

[serene sage]

I see your wisdom great one

Show the me yolo way of the zealot

[hot rampart]

oh I see queen is trolling as usual

[frank basin]

I’m

[hot rampart]

if you want to really yolo and ignore everything just run caxe/hsword with marty and chastise and a couple DR talents and ez

[hard briar]

Untrue

I am bestowing my wisdom in cryptic ways

[hot rampart]

clearly, by recommending loner and stealth

[hard briar]

Yes

The pain will be a valuable lesson

[frank basin]

I use Eviscerator Mk XV piety fury with CTW

Is quite nice

[hot rampart]

the other really broken option is abusing crit CDR yes

[frank basin]

Crit cdr is sure funny

I did use with hsword

And toughness rd

All kind

With chord chanting

[hot rampart]

one day they will.... rework it/nerf it

[frank basin]

No “repent!” -zealot

[torn moat]

Anyone have a link to the breakpoint site?

[tiny summit]

join me with evis with shred and martyrdom. shred will crit enough. Be ignorant in dmg taken. Be ignorant in keep swinging.

[frank basin]

I forgot do I have shred on my mk XV

[hot rampart]

things like rending don't work and obviously it doesn't account for talents but https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

[frank basin]

🥲

[agile forge]

How important is out for blood?

[tall torrent]

It’s good, but not mandatory

There’s no wrong reason to take it, it’s a very strong supplement to toughness replenishment because it works for all your kills (melee, ranged, DoT, anything)

[agile forge]

alright, just wanted to see if I could afford to drop it to get 2 more points for further down the tree

trying to make marksman's focus work with columnus iag

and wanted to see if the rending modifier was any good but was missing a point

[tall torrent]

That really depends on your weapons

Most weapons don’t need +rending

[hollow ibex]

Which ones do? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Mostly autoguns

Vraks3
Columnus5

[agile forge]

well I'm running col iag

so yeah

[hollow ibex]

Hmm ic

[agile forge]

it has horrible modifiers for flak and doesn't pen carapace at all, barely even when it crits

so rending is probably actually very worthwhile, it's just the left keystone is awful to play with

feels amazing when it's fully spun up but you have to play so awkwardly and mindfully of your movement timings

I hate it and I love it

[unreal bone]

ayo

which recon is the second besT?

I know VId is the first best.

Isn't the VIIa the second best?