veteran-class

[terse idol]

Where you want to like cook 10 stacks

Then swap

[gusty bison]

No u dont

[terse idol]

To get the most benfit from it

[gusty bison]

U dont actually wanna cook 10 stackd

U just swap

1 stack, 10 stacks

Doesnt matter

[terse idol]

👀

[gusty bison]

Just swap whenever u need to

Volver always replenishes 1 bullet

Even on 1 stack

[junior needle]

Does weapon spec still give you a guaranteed crit even with one stack

[terse idol]

I coulda sworn you got more or less ammo based on the stack amount

[gusty bison]

If u stack other crit benefits

[lyric burrow]

Only reason I've ever had 10 stacks is if I just don't need the buff yet, or I'm saving for a plasma reload

[gusty bison]

Min 1

Thats the thing

1 stack = 1 ammo

[junior needle]

On release it gave you a guaranteed crit no matter what

Even with one stack

[untold mulch]

For 30% crit stack, easy to get 2-3 melee kills in between

[gusty bison]

So you can just Q M1 Q M1 Q M1 repeat

[vernal harbor]

Your pfp always makes it seem like we’re upsetting you lmao

[gusty bison]

And u also get like

40% toughness every 3s while doing that

For free

And +25% extra damage

Its esp egregious on volver cos ur swap time is near instant

[gusty bison]

Rounded UP

[terse idol]

Well wait it is better to get 10 stacks

Regardless

[gusty bison]

No

Cos that requires two swings

[untold mulch]

for revolver 1-3 stacks is enough

[gusty bison]

And two swings is slow

[junior needle]

I'm a sad cat, that's just what I look like

[gusty bison]

U wana do Q M1 Q M1

[terse idol]

Wait so the revolver has a max ammo cap of like 50-60~ how do you get 1 bullet back on 3.3% of 60

[gusty bison]

That ensures u dont run out of ammo and maximize ur attack speed

[gusty bison]

Rounded. Up

[terse idol]

That's not even 1 percent of a bullet

Oh

[gusty bison]

Yes

[terse idol]

For oone shot

😭

[gusty bison]

Which u fire off, swap back, swing again, get another stack

[terse idol]

Still with the brain dead nature of focus target and voc that the pgun has

[gusty bison]

Swap back and get another bullet

[terse idol]

I mean

You're generating

Toughness for your entire team

[gusty bison]

Q M1 Q M1 is braindead tbh

[terse idol]

And you

[gusty bison]

Wep spec also gens toughness

[junior needle]

The only really distinct one is ciag because it's the highest dps automatic in the game and also has different fall off values

[terse idol]

Only for you

[junior needle]

The other two are about equal

[gusty bison]

Faster than focus target actually

[terse idol]

Which is a drawback

With voc

[sonic marlin]

if only a bit of mobility went to penetration and dmg

[gusty bison]

It also gives melee attack speed

And crits

[terse idol]

I mean don't some folks also run pgun with weapon spec

[gusty bison]

As a bonus

[terse idol]

Not that it means much

[gusty bison]

Yea but its worse than volver at maximizing wep spec

Cos slower draw and fire speed

[sonic marlin]

59% penetration is too bad right

[terse idol]

Yeah

Well okay maybe you're right, that revolver is better for the higher end

[untold mulch]

Wep Spec is too specific goddammit

[terse idol]

I just think pgun is more OP for ease of use

Its just a point and click adventure

Rather than even needing to think about changing your gun

Its got little to no skill expression

[gusty bison]

Thid i agree

Its a skill pancake

[lyric burrow]

Volver is better, but I prefer plasma because it's more spammy for when a bunch of bullshit shows up

[west nymph]

Honestly, I don’t care about other stats if I got 80% damage and 80% something else. But yeah. That’s pretty bad.

[gusty bison]

Which i feel we need to address during balance changes

We dont want to just make the plasma worse

Then we just get the recon

[terse idol]

For the rashad specifically you dooo want 70% min in all damage stats

[gusty bison]

We wanna make it so plasma actually has some skill curve

[somber axle]

This sounds cool and like with practice it sounds like revolver is better at firing off 54 shots while swapping weapons constantly but plasma gun has a level of satisfaction revolver is missing for me tbh. Line of Shotgunners walks out and one Plasma Gun shot domes them all and makes them explode into a blood fountain. Numbers are neat and optimal play is fun to toy with but enemies exploding violently makes game so much fun imo

[terse idol]

I'm still not entirely convinced recon is that bad
Some Headhunter autoguns have the same ttk

[agile yew]

That actually makes me wanna do revolver veteran. Tried revolver on Zealot and hated the constant reload animation watching

[terse idol]

At least when I watched that test tanner did

[gusty bison]

Headhunters are 1 tap weapons

[terse idol]

Or I should vraks

[gusty bison]

Which have the advantage of only needing 1 good shot

[terse idol]

I forgor

What he tested

But some braced autoguns have a similar ttk to recons

[gusty bison]

Also vraks 7 is known for GARBAGE bodyshots

[terse idol]

Which eh, maybe it's worth a test

[gusty bison]

Nah

[terse idol]

Hmm that's a good point

[gusty bison]

Brautos have double the dps

Also vet has near zero support for brauto

Brauto is a zel gun

[untold mulch]

When and which?

[strange grove]

I stopped using my vrak7 after noticing a drastic performance improvement with agri IAG, even on long distance targets

[west nymph]

imo they should make it so you can pay to buff stats to a certain extent, but of course add a limitation, like you can attribute 1% to a stat per level, per weapon yknow? But also make it cost crafting materials and dockets. That way I don’t waste hours of my life to just roll 10 shitty weapons in a row.

[gusty bison]

V7 kinda relies on hitting almost entirely criticapl headshots

In those situations its amazing

If u cant consistently hit crit headshots its... meh

Or well regular headshors work for gunners

[west nymph]

Like you get a weapon and you can use materials to make it better, but you’re capped at how much better you can make it depending on your level. At level 30, you can attribute 30 percentage points yknow, or maybe even more.
Of course, this veteran chat, so I won’t be heard. Buts it’s an idea.

[fresh grail]

That's cause it don't need support, so i can spend my points on other stuff

well, the extra 25% ammo never hurts

[vernal harbor]

We need a backshot build

[gusty bison]

Infil camo i think?

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wink-flirt-smile-gif-16346673

[gusty bison]

Combine with sprinting speed

Hang on

[west nymph]

+raking fire perk

[terse idol]

Me as I forgor

[gusty bison]

Something like this?

[shadow aurora]

Why shredders

[untold mulch]

[gusty bison]

Throwing nades doesnt break infil

And shredders are fucking good

[old quail]

no iron will

unfathomably based

[gusty bison]

:D

[shadow aurora]

Could just take kraks and youd save a point

[gusty bison]

Points at two grenade regen talents

Points at out for blood

Shredders are way better in this case

[shadow aurora]

What does out for blood do again I forgot that existed

[serene sage]

Being goated

That's what it does

Everything you kill regen 3.5% toughness

On top of what you normally receive, of course

[shadow aurora]

I guess shredders are alright but id still personally choose krak

The point save could allow you to get stuff like desperado

Or iron will

[pearl granite]

salvageable? 😢

[finite imp]

having tuna salad sandwich with nachos for lunch

[lyric burrow]

supercharge to cycler, crit dam to carapace/maniac/your preference
not a god roll or anything, but perfectly servicable

[pearl granite]

thanks

[sonic marlin]

this is the best roll i got after like 500k

bruh

this game hates me

[hollow ibex]

Mk3, not salvageable

[junior needle]

The game is purposefully designed to waste your time

And keep you on the hamster wheel

[mortal frost]

Opinion discarded

[junior needle]

Welcome to “player retention” practices

[vernal harbor]

it works too

[crude ermine]

I've slowly broke out of the gambling hadron

But now I just lay on my bed and do nothing

For the entire day

Other than sleep for 7 hours after getting home

Then again

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/wine-robert-baratheon-game-of-thrones-got-gif-13846239

[serene orbit]

arguably every game is designed to waste your time

[terse idol]

At least it can be arsed to make it worth it for us

[midnight totem]

son of a bitch, I lost my 9 never go down in a row streak

[lyric burrow]

youre supposed to waste time cause you want to, not cause you want to waste time more efficiently

[vernal harbor]

The point he’s making is that the design was never meant to be fun or functional

[midnight totem]

Suddenly killed a rager in an empty room and then suddenly surrounded by maulers

[serene orbit]

some games utilize good story, some games use shiny loot, some games make you gamble, etc, etc. It's all just coloring the different ways to press your happy hormone buttons

[vernal harbor]

It’s expressly at the edge of player tolerance and they want to keep it there and not make it any better

[serene orbit]

something something as long as it's profitable

[vernal harbor]

Not for any reason other than to grab the gambling bros

[midnight totem]

fucking bullshit

[vernal harbor]

Yeah pretty much I just hate the exploiting of the gambling people

[serene orbit]

i can't recall where I read it, but statistics show that long-term players spend the least money on average

also, 95% of statistics are made up on the spot

[vernal harbor]

It’s about player upkeep so they’re game doesn’t appear dead in the dry spells

The money is from the new players and the friends who get dragged in and think “I’ll buy a cosmetic” and then never play again

Like warframe

[serene orbit]

aah good old warframe

[vernal harbor]

Long time players are broke af and buy nothing

It’s all the toe dippers

[serene orbit]

makes me wish darktide had third person

[vernal harbor]

I can with a mod but

[crude ermine]

Am I just known as the wine woman now

[tiny summit]

Well you are french

[vernal harbor]

You are French and were comically trashed that one time

[crude ermine]

UNDESERVINGLY

[pearl granite]

o

[tiny summit]

French

[vernal harbor]

“I can’t find any water”

[crude ermine]

Do not

[tiny summit]

Do tell

[mortal frost]

I think $10 to 14 is a ripoff for subpar cosmetics, js

On top of buying the game lol

[vernal harbor]

i think most of the community has more bad things to say about fatshark than good

wont find many who defend this stuff we just want a good game and eventually itll come

[tiny summit]

Skills to make very satisfying and fun horde shooter
monkey paw curls

[woven hazel]

any tips on plasma gun? like how ddoes the charge work and how shouldi use it in game

[serene bough]

Spam m1 to victory

[lyric burrow]

spam M1, only use charge shots on packs of crushers
M1 shots will never overheat the gun, spam it to 100%, manually vent to 80%, shoot twice more and repeat

[serene bough]

M2 for chunkier ogryn threats

[woven hazel]

how do I mabually vent

[lyric burrow]

middle mouse

[woven hazel]

ty

[midnight totem]

manual vent is your weapon's special button

[pearl granite]

somehow venting is very unresponsive

[woven hazel]

so jsut click m1 asfast as i can

[languid stump]

What do you guys think of this:

Exterminator
Getting 10 kills in a rapid succession instantly reloads your ranged weapon

[pearl granite]

uber OP

[woven hazel]

how about monsters? charge or m1 spam

[languid stump]

You see I hate having to reload

[lyric burrow]

faster reload is a better idea, but we already have talents for that

[west nymph]

Imagine just being able to reload your bolter instantly

[junior needle]

It automatically vents when you hit 100 with primary fire

[languid stump]

If it’s a weapon blessing the number of kills required would decrease with each tier

[junior needle]

So you don’t even explicitly have to do it manually

[west nymph]

I thought it’d just explode

[junior needle]

It does with the charged shots

[languid stump]

It explodes if you go over I think

You’ll know if you fucked up if your veteran says something like “ow, hot!” Or “oh SHIT”

[woven hazel]

and how about crowds of poxwalkers and specalists that ren't ogryns? charge m2 or m1 spam with plasma. same quesiton for mosnters

[lyric burrow]

plasma has bad ammo economy, only use it on things that are taggable

if you arent sure if you want to use M1 or charged, just use M1

[woven hazel]

okay and for mosnters?

[languid stump]

How about:

Doubleshot:
weapons with hard ammunition (stubbers, autoguns, etc.) have a chance to fire twice

[serene orbit]

i'm aware of the mod, i just wish a more refined version was in place

[lyric burrow]

if by monsters you mean the bosses, charged

[woven hazel]

gotcha thanks lads appreciate y'all

[umbral scaffold]

Any new news for new updates?

Or are they coming in March

[pearl granite]

they are busy with that pvp vermintide stuff 🤔

[junior needle]

That's just lucky bullet but it can backfire

[raw steppe]

you should never charge plasma

shoot 3 times instead

[terse idol]

Hmm?

Just build for dredge gunner BP

Badadoom

Ammo issue solved

[crude ermine]

I'd love to have the dreg gunners weapon

[terse idol]

I mean thats a different team

[languid stump]

How so

[crude ermine]

Tho it'd probably be heresy to steal their guns

And use them

[terse idol]

On site procurements

[languid stump]

They’re also probably falling apart and totally worthless

[terse idol]

[crude ermine]

I just want a deleting laser with a shit ton of ammo and something that'll handle like a bitch

on a human

[agile yew]

All redacted penances for Veteran done Boltgun on assasination mission was making it easy, just unload all on the boss shield

[languid stump]

I imagine they’ll add heavy weapons in some future update

[terse idol]

The snipers have probably the best training and weapons the scabs have

Still

[languid stump]

That’s the only one I want tbh

The sniper rifle they use is so powerful it leaves a vapor trail

[terse idol]

Shovel

[crude ermine]

Bright orange

Mmm

Could go for oranje juice

[vernal harbor]

mmm

[crude ermine]

Brush my teeth and enjoy the sweeter taste of it

[gusty bison]

Sometimes u dont want to spend 2 ammo

Esp if it breaks the survivalist economy

[agile yew]

My baby lvl 30 Vet current talent build for Knife+ColumnusV

[junior needle]

Shooting extra shots at random makes guns it likely to accidentally overkill targets and waste ammo, assuming the extra shots consume ammo. Lucky bullet functions similarly but also saves ammo and won't accidentally overkill corpses.

[agile yew]

Kinda wish i could get in Duty&Honor and couple others, talent starved

[junior needle]

Weapon spec on ciag? Very interesting

[agile yew]

It uses the stacks too fast? I just like making it crit a lot

[junior needle]

It only gives you a single crit

Weapon spec does give you a lingering fire rate boost for your ranged weapon however

But like, the ciag already deletes things very quickly

[agile yew]

Makes my knife movement even faster too

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b2bbebb-b832-454a-a351-31476b9187be/baby-lvl-30-veteran

Columnus Blessings arent in yet, need to find proper one first

[gusty bison]

5 crits but ye

[junior needle]

It doesn't give you movement speed

Yeah, that's what I meant

[raw steppe]

looks pretty bad tbht

[agile yew]

Dodge speed and dodge distance

[gusty bison]

Which tbf 5 crits gibs most things

[raw steppe]

doesn't have elite dmg, voc overshield or rending

[agile yew]

And with knife im constantly dodging as i got Precog on it

[agile yew]

Yeah those are the 3 talents exactly id like to include

But would lose +25 toughness or stamina from dodge or onslaught

[junior needle]

There's onslaught in there but rending strikes is advisable as well

Also overshield is a must have

[gusty bison]

So few things that immediately stood out to me.

Fully prepared feels like a waste of a talent. As is the travel node at the very end of the middle tree

With those two you can pick up 20% stamina gain on swap to melee wep and 20% toughness on swap

[agile yew]

Keeping the +25 toughness there to keep myself alive so can move to Damnation, once i stay alive there, ill drop it

[gusty bison]

20% toughness on swap is gonna keep u alive more tbh

[junior needle]

The overtoughness is going to keep you and your team alive a lot better

[wise fossil]

Good build other than missing Duty & Honor

[gusty bison]

Also over toughness

Also why does EVERYONE take CK

[wise fossil]

Yellow toughness is excellent

[junior needle]

You're spending a lot of points just to boost knife performance

[gusty bison]

Tbf this isnt a problem xD

Knife gud

[raw steppe]

the problem is that

he doesnt even have the node

that boosts knife performance the most

lmao

the bleed on hit

[agile yew]

Rending?

[gusty bison]

Serrated edge?

Thats only for mercy killer knives

[wise fossil]

Lol serrated edge is terrible

[agile yew]

I run Uncanny+Precog

[junior needle]

Yeah you only take serrated for mercy killer

[gusty bison]

Not for mercy killer knives

[raw steppe]

precog is not as good as mercy killer

because precog is not guaranteed

[wise fossil]

How so? It doesn't add anything

[gusty bison]

It procs mercy killer

Since hit = bleed

[tiny summit]

Because you get DR and sizable toughness replenish off elites/specials which we all know just increases in volume. OfB good. It also costs 2 points with sprint cost

[gusty bison]

You dont care about how many stacks

1 is enough

[bleak jackal]

what curios should i go with?

[wise fossil]

Just use precog and don't waste a ton of talent points to get to an awful node

[agile yew]

Anyways i guess i could drop the +25 toughness node incase some Talent really outshines it

[gusty bison]

Its not awful with mercy killer

[wise fossil]

I mean it doesn't add anything itself

[gusty bison]

It combos with mercy killer

[tiny summit]

Toughness good. 1 wound is safety net for a lot of players. Swap it out if you feel good enough

[raw steppe]

see but you're changing the goalposts here

[bleak jackal]

3x toughness aigt

[wise fossil]

Mercy killer is an okay blessing that can be replaced by a better blessing and then you don't waste talant points

[raw steppe]

it may or may not be worth the points spent

but it is the node that boosts knife performance the most

[tiny summit]

I think 15% elite dmg and demo team are more value than 25 toughness

[wise fossil]

Reciprocity is the node that does that

[soft blade]

definitely drop the random travel mode and get superiority complex

as for the rest idrk

[gusty bison]

Reciprocity is 25% crit chance

Mercy killer is +60% weakspot damage

Ergo serrated blade is +60% weakspot damage

[agile yew]

Precog is both 60% weakspot dmg and crit dmg

[raw steppe]

it also is conditional and needs to be stacked over time

[gusty bison]

(On hits after first)

[raw steppe]

whereas mercy killer is guaranteed on the first hit because it procs on punch

[gusty bison]

Also this is honestly a why not both situation

[agile yew]

Im constantly dodge sliding even when gun out to get those procing

And to avoid ranged fire

Why i also run +3stam curio

[junior needle]

Issue with mercy killer is it doesn't proc on your first attack

So less value from hordes

[raw steppe]

umm...

[agile yew]

Duck&Dive also constantly gives me stamina back if someone firing my general direction

[raw steppe]

you do know that knife blessings only work when the knife is out

[gusty bison]

Reciprocity is a talent

Not a knife blessing

[raw steppe]

oh why was he talking about precog then

[gusty bison]

Oh

Nvm

Tbh

I would run precog + mercy

[agile yew]

Precog and Reciprocity both activate on dodge

[gusty bison]

Wtf discord

[raw steppe]

they don't

they activate on successful dodge

meaning your dodge has to be meaningful

[finite imp]

It's the last word

[agile yew]

Well yeah i meant that, not just dodging in empty hallway

[finite imp]

It has the f a slur in it

[gusty bison]

Oh

...

Ngl i get why the filter is there but

[raw steppe]

this is the deadshot colum build I've been playing with

[finite imp]

Yeah don't ever arrange those letters to spell a word like that ever again you stupid bitch

Fuck you

[gusty bison]

It kinda does get in the way of other innocent words

[finite imp]

None of this is censored

But what you said? Not cool

Lmao

[agile yew]

If even one gunner is shooting you, you get the successful dodge constantly

[raw steppe]

yeah but it's pointless lol

because colum only needs about 30% crit or so

due to how crit strings work

[finite imp]

Dracophage

[raw steppe]

and gunners are usually never shooting me because they're dead

[tiny summit]

It's very funny seeing someone post the image of the filtered image

[agile yew]

Well its for Precog too to make stabby stabby action work

[tiny summit]

Like I get the reason to go "wtf" but it's funny.

[agile yew]

Im gonna have to make some sort of Volley Fire build to get all those penances too

[wise fossil]

Volly fire makes bolter halfway decent if you enjoy bolter 🤷‍♂️

[agile yew]

Is it mod that makes it so compact?

[finite imp]

Do you guys like tuna salad

[agile yew]

Anyways this is just my first lvl 30 build, gonna obviously experiment more with different weapons and playstyles etc.

[gusty bison]

Best exec guns are uh...

Does any gun actually want exec?

Brauto i guess

[finite imp]

Autoguns with high rpm

Yeah

[gusty bison]

Iags dont

Tbh

[finite imp]

Agri brauto worked beautifully

[gusty bison]

So its just brauto

[tiny summit]

Yea. Exe MF enjoyer here

[finite imp]

Hence the high rpm

[gusty bison]

IAGs are high rpm

[finite imp]

Ok

Braced autoguns

The agri is good

So is the graia

[tiny summit]

Guns good

[wanton dawn]

Agri brauto and ciag can both use exec

[finite imp]

Exec stance just ain't super good in its current state

[gusty bison]

I know some people like the colly brauto for some reason (dont ask me why)

[tiny summit]

The whut?

[finite imp]

Because it doesn't really shine in any dept

[balmy flume]

For VF over 20 seconds 5 times, take the VF upgrade that refreshes VF whenever you kill a VF target, alongside the one that highlights all human sized shooters.
Then go play on Damnation if needed.

[finite imp]

With the graia at least you get a literal hullethose

[gusty bison]

Columnus Braced Autogun

[balmy flume]

You will get it in no time

[gusty bison]

Nono. I mean they like it

Not dislike it

[finite imp]

Oh I misread

[tiny summit]

Ah first time seeing someone say colly lmao

[wanton dawn]

Colly sounds like a disease. Or a deeznuts joke

[tiny summit]

I have a few. Didn't really like it in comparison to agri. At least graia has fuller auto

[spiral epoch]

why does shooting the plasma gun in quick succession mute all sound. One game it even muted sound near the start and never unmuted, had to play the whole level on silent.

[finite imp]

If you're gonna use a crauto you might as well use the ciag

[tiny summit]

"This collly is mid"

[tiny summit]

Bugged

[crude ermine]

Must've shattered your ears

[finite imp]

Crauto
Colly
Grauto
Agri Brauto
Aiag
CIAG
Giag

[tiny summit]

GYAUTTO

[finite imp]

Gyatto

[tiny summit]

Lmao

[wanton dawn]

Whats a giag ? Giag on deez

[hard briar]

Fatshark spaghetti code

[finite imp]

Graia infantry auto gun

Oh

[tiny summit]

Uh the mid one

[hard briar]

The Gyatto

[finite imp]

The gyatto is just the revo

My name is Steve o, and this is my gyatto

This is how Italian was invented

[serene sage]

The what

[spice wadi]

Cocaine

we must appreciate the silent plasma fart blast gun

[crude ermine]

But I don't wanna

[old quail]

compressed air can

[umbral scaffold]

What new weapons you guys expect to come

Degeneracy

[umbral scaffold]

Why do you have that as your banner

[zealous wyvern]

why are you posting fortnite feet porn

[spice wadi]

what in the goddamn

[celest vine]

the boltpistol

[hard briar]

Plasma pistol

[celest vine]

another plasma gun and boltgun varient too

[lucid hinge]

I neeed a bolt pistol

[zealous wyvern]

@woeful junco is that supposed to go in here?

[lucid hinge]

big shoe lmfao

[hard briar]

What if Hank says yes

[spice wadi]

kill him

[lucid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/big-shoe-lmfao-big-shoe-lmfao-gif-21655557

[zealous wyvern]

then i tried

[lucid hinge]

Mods kill this man

[spice wadi]

put ur fucking socks on

make him wear slippers and then shoot him

[hard briar]

Why don't you

[visual remnant]

NOOOO

put socks on

[hard briar]

Ring leadering

[lucid hinge]

evil

evil

sinner

[celest vine]

[hard briar]

Where is the adeptus moderatus when you need them

[celest vine]

theyre making pipe bombs

give them a minute

[lucid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-pipe-bomb-bomb-mail-box-cat-gif-18431261

[hard briar]

There is a mailbox in my pipebomb

[wanton dawn]

Zealot chat is leaking ?

[hard briar]

No Vet chat is returning

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-still-alive-back-from-the-dead-gif-14592821

[woeful junco]

in the form of a hammer

[woeful junco]

https://tenor.com/view/barney-no-himym-barney-smile-no-hm-no-barney-gif-26652793

thx for the ping

[zealous wyvern]

for Him

[umbral scaffold]

Cuase I don’t pay for nitro and don’t engage in that kind of behavior

[serene sage]

what kind of behavior?

[vernal harbor]

Acknowledging intimate desires

[terse idol]

[serene sage]

showing emotions is gay

[vernal harbor]

better not be any women in this community or I’m gonna get really mad guys I mean it

[zealous wyvern]

there is a big difference between being in touch with your desires

[umbral scaffold]

Do you not see the banner

[zealous wyvern]

and showcasing them in a sfw space

[vernal harbor]

The most toxic of the 40k fans are funny because they hate women but are not into guys so it’s strange

[zealous wyvern]

thats a big difference

[serene sage]

aren't you in a relationship bro 🤨

[terse idol]

Its a women with kissy marks

[hard briar]

[umbral scaffold]

@serene sage it’s a sexual banner

I don’t like that

[terse idol]

Its not like, hard-core

Its soft core at best

[zealous wyvern]

i agree. its just kiss marks isnt it

[serene sage]

gasps

[terse idol]

It implies

[vernal harbor]

she'll understand 😨

[umbral scaffold]

Even then still I can care less it’s still ugly

[serene sage]

Queen? why are you doing that

[terse idol]

Intimate desires

[zealous wyvern]

i think lipstick isnt bad enough to be considered porn

[terse idol]

But there's no fugging going on

[serene sage]

the horror

[umbral scaffold]

Heresy

It’s heresy

[terse idol]

It could be considered softcore at worst

[zealous wyvern]

but i still think its weird to have that in your profile in a sfw space to me

[serene sage]

lol not even softcore

[vernal harbor]

its nothing to even raise an eyebrow at and its a banner lmao

[serene sage]

what are yall

a bunch of puritans

[zealous wyvern]

but its not "get banned" or anything at all

[serene sage]

what the fuck

[umbral scaffold]

Never said it was porn the fuck XD

[zealous wyvern]

it is very promiscuous

definitely

[vernal harbor]

you should be more upset she uses plasma

[zealous wyvern]

i know the og image

[hard briar]

[zealous wyvern]

i think its pretty clear that its a steamy picture

[umbral scaffold]

Dude it’s heresy that’s all I’m stating

[serene sage]

I am

Plasma is OP and we need to nerf it

stats

[hard briar]

Stay mad

[umbral scaffold]

It’s heresy they pay for nitro and heresy for having a banner like that

So sigma dick

[serene sage]

no fuck you

[vernal harbor]

youll get nerfed someday mark my words

[umbral scaffold]

Blessed sigmar grant me strength

[zealous wyvern]

the trick is

[vernal harbor]

you cant stay on top forever

[zealous wyvern]

just dont like them as a person

and leave them be

[umbral scaffold]

SUGMA DICK

[hard briar]

Try it out then

[tranquil bronze]

Oh poor Bricky...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Clj63vFP5w

[hard briar]

Your just coping

And malding

And seething

[serene sage]

I FUCKING HATE DK IN THEIR BROADCAST

thanks for listenting

[crude ermine]

Donkey Kong

[serene sage]

the day of judgement will come

and you will suffer

plasma will be unplayable

and I will laugh

[hard briar]

I am the Righteous Hand of the Emperor

[serene sage]

you keep jerking him off then

[hard briar]

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-eating-black-man-eating-gif-19824909

[crude ermine]

I don't even want to know how that plays out with the corpsal remains of the emperor

[timber phoenix]

Finally got headhunter for the recon. It’s only HH3 but i can finally run a tempestus scion pseudo hotshot lasgun build

Recon is ass this patch

[zealous wyvern]

plasma is fun and i used it long before meta. screw people complaining about it

[timber phoenix]

Hope they buff it

[hard briar]

He is a corpse in realspsce, but a Leviathan in the Warp

[crude ermine]

So

Nvm

[hard briar]

Ie not at all dead

Just putting most of his efforts in the warp

Chaos actually L coping calling him a Corpse

[crude ermine]

Wish he was, then I could eat his remains

I'm hungry

[hard briar]

They don't wanna accept theirs a being that can just say "Kek" and delete someone like Horus from existence

Because that makes their own Gods seem weak

[serene bough]

hi im in a meeting

whats going on vet chat

[junior needle]

Unlikely to change anytime soon. Please do not magdump into melee chaffe to avoid using your melee weapon.

[umbral scaffold]

No nothing needs Nerfing if anything a lot needs buffing firdt

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-tts-warhammer-wh40k-40k-gif-17132610

Slaanesh, I'm going to consume your soul over the course of several agonizing millennia.
Nurgle im gonna make you into a fart flower in my garden.
Khorne- I'm gonna stack your skull in my pile of skulls
Tzeentch-?????????

The Emperor :

[umbral scaffold]

Then we nerf the other stuff

[junior needle]

For tzeentch you get turned into a warp spawn

and/or used in nefarious plans

Also you develop warp schizophrenia

[hard briar]

Throws you into the Warp typhoon but spinning counter clockwise to its rotation

Watches

[timber phoenix]

Why would i shoot at anything in melee range with a recon

That’s stupid

[hard briar]

Smartest Recon User

They are evolving

[timber phoenix]

Powersword exists for a reason

[umbral scaffold]

Can we get a Helbore skin

[timber phoenix]

Just obliterate crushers maulers ragers anything at melee range with PS, controlled bursts on gunners and snipers it’s really not that hard to get

[umbral scaffold]

And maybe some bundle skins

Where are the bundle skins

What happened

[serene bough]

i prefer to monkey brain and fire at everything that moes

moves

[junior needle]

Almost every single pub recon user does this while vacuuming all the ammo. Here's a game mr creme posted recently that shows this nicely.

Every single person who's ever posted that recons are good posts a scoreboard that looks exactly like that.

[wanton dawn]

Hey, I know this scoreboard

[junior needle]

"But I got the most ranged damage so that means this gun is good"

[tall torrent]

What perks do I want on DC sword

[timber phoenix]

Im gonna be sick

[serene bough]

rampage plus some cleave blessing

[tall torrent]

I mean perks

Blessings I already know savage sweep + rampage

[serene bough]

oh my bad read wrong

[timber phoenix]

The gun is trash it is barely damnation viable

[wanton dawn]

and tbf this scoreboard is hilarious to analyze

[timber phoenix]

I choose to only run it on non aurics

[tall torrent]

Mine rn has flak and block eff (locked)

[timber phoenix]

Even with the las crit ammo perk u still end up dumping stupid amounts of ammo

[junior needle]

At least use the 6d, it has the highest dps by far and there's little difference in ammo economy with rending taken into account

[timber phoenix]

Yeah i’m using the 6d

[junior needle]

(they all have bad ammo economy)

[umbral scaffold]

The recon lasgun are finite , they are best for veteren of course since scavanger is a thing but they can also work with gun psycher as well

The only thing is you have to switch on and off to conserve ammo for the team

Which for most is an issue

[timber phoenix]

Did a game with a recon guy and another game with an IAG guy. IAG guy was magdumping all game and still used less ammo than recon dude

[tiny summit]

Plasma overtuned

[umbral scaffold]

It’s not overturned

The colomnus is

[tiny summit]

It definitely is

Both of them are

[umbral scaffold]

And if anything we need to buff shit first

[junior needle]

If you mean "fine", they are objectively undertuned compared to alternatives, being very lacking in both dps and ammo efficiency compared to IAG's.

Also due to their poor finesse values, other guns are much better fit for gun psyk

Like the CIAG

[tiny summit]

I mean yea I would rather the recons and shredder pistol to be good over nerfing plasma.

[umbral scaffold]

Of course they don’t deal damage but have higher ammo pools but again that’s the positive I see in them

They are better then auto pistol

And worse over the agripana

[junior needle]

They barely have higher ammo pools and do significantly less damage per shot

[still nebula]

Plasmagun is getting nerfed. You better believe it (:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_oka8stG0

[tiny summit]

Those high ammo pools don't mean shit if the dmg per shot doesn't make up for it

[umbral scaffold]

I put the tan one higher for vet since again you can abuse headshots and crits with it very easily to have a high damage gun when using shouts

[timber phoenix]

I think it depends on the blessing for the IAGs. I was running one without (i think it was deathspitter or one of the damage boostie blessings) and i ate twice as much ammo compared to the match where i brought the IAG with the optimal blessings

A middle point would prob be good balance wise

[umbral scaffold]

Pretty much the only blessing needed is dum dum

If you’re not running that majority of the time your damage will falter

It’s the same for colomnus

[timber phoenix]

Shit it might’ve been dum dum

[tiny summit]

I ran this shitty vape nade build with plasma #veteran-class message

[timber phoenix]

There was this dude that clutched a game of ours that was going full COD mode with his CIAG and it was cool to watch him melt stuff almost as fast as the plasma

But yeah might be a bit overtuned

[junior needle]

The recons have very poor finesse values, so finesse damage boosts are considerably less effective on them. The talent tree also acts as a multiplier to baseline performance, and you'd get much more value using a different gun.

Here you can see a baseline comparison between a 6d, a ciag, and a less overtuned IAG (agri and graia are about the same dps wise).

[junior needle]

Dumdum is bugged currently and works using the zealots anoint in blood code, meaning it's way better in practice than the tooltip implies.

[umbral scaffold]

Note I said they are good but not better over the other auto options but you can make them work

Do I still recommend them for zealot? No

[junior needle]

They are not good.

[timber phoenix]

Amazing it’s like the psyker smite staff bug all over again. Unintended damage

[junior needle]

You can bandaid their performance using the talent tree but that has nothing to do with the gun, that's just using the power of the talent tree to turn a bad gun into somewhat useable.

[tiny summit]

We know you can make them work. But "good" is a stretch with how underwhelming they are comparatively. Which is valid to say because you're choosing 1 weapon over another. MG4 Infantry Lasgun is a better recon

[timber phoenix]

Fatbitch seemingly can’t learn from this trend

[junior needle]

Zealots also can't use recons

[timber phoenix]

At this point i’d be hoping they drop the recons and just give us a ryza pattern hotshot

Let me do my damn scion build

[junior needle]

For reference as to why they are not good, you can see in the video that the 6d on baseline gets about 600dps bodyshot to maniacs. A ciag gets 1700~ with only one crit string. IAG's are finesse weapons, and are supposed to perform better on headshots/crits rather than bodyshots.

The disparity gets even bigger when headshots are taken into account. This gun does 2944 headshot dps to maniacs. No talent tree, no perks or blessings affecting the target.

[tall torrent]

Low maniac dmg is a real killer for veteran’s guns

[junior needle]

Recons also have generally shit unyielding modifiers, excepting the 7a for some reason.

On top of their low baseline dps, which means that even double rending setups result in lower dps than baseline IAG performance.

[radiant linden]

💀

[junior needle]

(even in the best case comparison of bodyshots for recons)

[timber ivy]

On a scale of 1-10 how important would you rate the supression immunity node down the left side if you're over that way?

[tall torrent]

Depends on the weapons u pick

[junior needle]

Depends on the gun. Single shot weapons want it a lot, automatics generally don't use it

[tall torrent]

If you’re using helbore / plasma, suppression immunity has zero value

If you’re using Boltgun, suppression immunity has very high value

[timber ivy]

I like recon las so that answers that

Thanks

[junior needle]

Please do not shoot into melee chaffe

[tall torrent]

Recon falls into the “I think I don’t really care about suppression” category

[timber ivy]

I tend not to. I promise I'm a recon las user with trigger discipline...mostly

[junior needle]

I should test whether suppression boosts the shot wandering effect during ads

If it does then I'd say you actually should take the suppression immunity because the alternatives in that row suck for recons

[tall torrent]

Deadshot sucks for recon basically always

[timber ivy]

Do they? I know the one for building crit as you ADS sucks but precision strikes seems fine. Especially since I have the blessing that stacks crit chance on weakpoint hit.

[tall torrent]

Precision strikes is almost never a bad choice, it’s just very low return in recon

[terse idol]

Isn't genuinely the issue is at this point you're comparing the strongest weapon in the game with a weaker weapon though?

Wouldn't it be better to compare recon with all other guns?

[tall torrent]

Well if you wanna compare recon against another bad maniac dmg gun (like Vraks headhunter), vraks3 beats it in like every category besides shooting into hordes lol

[timber ivy]

Either case removing supression immunity gives me another point to put somewhere else now so lets see if not having it obliterates aim under fire

[junior needle]

Yes, so how crit and weakspot damage work in this game is they only affect the bonus damage you get from a crit/weakspot hit, not the whole hit. Because recons have a comparatively very low modifier, you get very little value from it compared to other weapons.

[timber ivy]

Huh

Makes sense

[tall torrent]

If you put enough points into it, vraks3 cranks out some ludicrous dmg numbers

Recon can’t match that

[terse idol]

HmMMmmm

[tiny summit]

Put some hair on your chest and grab a helbore

[tall torrent]

And vraks3 is still very low recoil

[junior needle]

The CIAG is the one to beat as the current king of all automatics, and also didn't get gutted despite being absurdly strong for multiple patches now. I do have comparisons for the other IAG's however, which aren't regarded as overtuned.

[timber ivy]

I know they fixed it but I'm still so biased against single shot precision from when they never had separate sensitivities for ADS. I probably should try it again.

[junior needle]

Even the "weak" IAG's (both have about the same dps) are still overwhelmingly better performing on both a dps and ammo efficiency scale.

[tiny summit]

Recons have dmg falloff right?

[junior needle]

They do

It's all close to long falloff now

[tiny summit]

Helbores good. Join us

[junior needle]

Same as autoguns

[raw steppe]

did they remove reverse falloff

[junior needle]

They removed it on the 6d, which usually had reverse falloff despite the other ones not having it.

(They also sizably nerfed the gun too)

[timber ivy]

The other thing is my recon has infernus on it. Between that and the crit stacking I kinda use it more as a long range flamethrower.

[junior needle]

Infernus dps is very mediocre, especially now that their crit strings were gutted to 2 universally

So the stacking has slowed considerably

[timber ivy]

There's probably good arguments against fire and forget but like only 5 shots seem to be needed to let the fire finish off any special gunners. So it helps out if you have to panic fire a crowd of them in my experience but yeah. I expect the response here is gonna be "it's better to kill them outright with a single shot"

[tall torrent]

They gotta buff recon eventually

[terse idol]

Stonks soon

[junior needle]

The recons don't have a great blessing pool so infernus still works as a fine choice for second blessing, the most important being HH

[timber ivy]

I feel like I get by with it pretty well despite how it's ragarded. I do auric missions and generally don't feel like a hinderance.

[junior needle]

bugged dumdum is great but it's a multiplier to base performance and as you can see, the base performance is not that good on them

[timber ivy]

But I will never look a gift horse in the mouth if they wanna buff it

[junior needle]

I remembered correctly and suppression does give you the big "shot wandering" effect you get from hipfire. I'd personally advise taking the suppression node over the alternatives.

You may use the scoreboard mod for a more objective measure of your performance

[timber ivy]

I might, I just found out about that mod recently

[tiny summit]

Ultimately play what you feel like playing. But we do like to be honest about stuff

[tall torrent]

If u had to look for a positive of recons it’s that you won’t be dealing a lot of overkill dmg with them

[timber ivy]

I've been through the ringer on MMO raiding so I know about min/maxing. Still a shame when the optimal choice isn't the weapon you find really fun.

[tiny summit]

Recons could be in a good place if the dmg wasn't gutted that patch along with its nerf to how it interacts with shock trooper. If it got hit with maybe only half or a third of its dmg nerfs, it would probably sit in a good spot being a ammo efficient consistent source of dps

[junior needle]

Yup. My goal isn't to tell you what to do, it's to inform you so you don't make choices you regret (like spending an inordinate amount of time and resources chasing a shit gun when you had better alternatives)

[tiny summit]

Some people do take it a bit personal

[junior needle]

To note the 7a and 2 were still mediocre even during patch 13 due to their comparatively lacking dps, and that was also before quite a few ranged weapons got properly tuned in patch 14.

It was purely the talent tree and shock trooper/crit strings/rending talents making up for the lines already bad performance.

[serene bough]

it can be difficult accepting something that you enjoy playing ends up making you a liability i suppose

[finite imp]

The true meta

Come from within

[tiny summit]

Knife

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-meditate-zen-spongebob-gif-5626530

[bronze trout]

Are laspistols still better then regular lasguns?

[finite imp]

ALSO INSANE LEVELS OF TERRIFYING VIOLENCE BABEEEEEEEEE

[junior needle]

They're different, generally more damage potential but less ammo efficient

[finite imp]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[serene bough]

debatable, infatry las got better ammo efficiency

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/running-running-man-gif-26341322

[serene bough]

i find the Mg4 as a middle ground between the two

[bronze trout]

I like the 1a right now, 12 not the top dog anymore

[junior needle]

Also laspistols have more pleasant recoil

The bouncing on the infantry lasguns is very annoying

[serene bough]

1a is good for reaching those 1hko breakpoints, 12 has been dethroned by it

[tall torrent]

Helbore

[junior needle]

12 has the highest alpha damage so if you just want oneshots it will always be the best.

1a has a more pleasant fire rate while still being able to reach breakpoints

[serene bough]

isnt the damage only like 20 or 60 more points

[junior needle]

But not as many

There's a sizable difference between 20 and 60, but let me check

[bronze trout]

Just wish the was more reason to use them over plasma or revolvers, on high threat levels there's so little time for shooting single strong shots beat out constant fire a lot of the time

[tiny summit]

40 dmg difference between Ia and XII at 80ish

[serene bough]

infantry las/laspistols are still good

you cant 1 shot 5 shotrgunners in a row but you can easily down them quickly as long as youre shooting the head

[tiny summit]

I find they have their use. You're less of a strain on the ammo economy in the match and can free shoot riflemen.

Decent enough dmg picking off elites and specials too

[soft blade]

i mean if you’re comparing weapons to plasma everything is gonna look pretty shit lmao

[wanton dawn]

That's now 2 days in a row where I get zoned out because someone get flamed behind me and prevent retreat

[serene bough]

so about 35ish

[dusty sluice]

still no pc4 :(

[wanton dawn]

I am starting to think ppl are just unable to kill special

[midnight totem]

That's why they are

Special

[junior needle]

Depends on the armor type, also the stats are slightly different for the two examples. There's about a 48~ damage difference for maniac and 95~ for unyielding.

That's for body shots, obviously the differences become much larger when taking into account mulitpliers

[tall torrent]

MG12 does way more on unyielding than MG1a

[serene bough]

i havent used either of them enough post patch to see the difference

but ill take your word(s)

[tall torrent]

MG1a 1 tap breakpoints are pretty hard to reach

U need a super dedicated sharpshooter build

MG12 just needs exe stance

[junior needle]

You don't need to trust us, the damage numbers are right there

[tiny summit]

Is it more actual dps wise with its fire rate?

[tall torrent]

I could check when I get home, I have godroll for both 1a and 12

[tall torrent]

1a has a bit more mauler dps if that’s what ur into

[serene bough]

i mean in practice w/ all the various buffs and perks you can take if reaching the breakpoints is easier with the mg12 vs 1a

[tall torrent]

12 kills reapers way faster

[junior needle]

Well it's a higher damage gun, that's how breakpoints work

The 1a generally does more dps if you can't one shot though

[serene bough]

obviously, but the actually numbers need to be seen

and I personally havent used it enough to comment

[terse idol]

I just felt that the Ia was... well naturally more responsive, although maybe I play my 12 as well to see

[junior needle]

It is, due to the higher fire rate

[iron marten]

for damage, not really, but I like laspistols for their mobility

[unborn perch]

If the discussion is whether or not the MG4 lasgun is good or not the answer is a hands down yes. It replaced the Ia and the Mk12 for me.

[serene bough]

i personally use the mg4

[junior needle]

The 12 lasgun replaced the 12 lasgun for you?

[serene bough]

i like the ammo efficiency and fast firing

[junior needle]

[terse idol]

I mean. I would play the mg4 more

[unborn perch]

I have the godroll mg4 and you couldn't pry it out of my hands if I was dead.

[terse idol]

With the full auto mod

I dont want to break my finger

Or hand

[soft blade]

ture…

[serene bough]

i sparingly use full auto

[soft blade]

mg 4 with full auto is pretty funny

[serene bough]

when i want to mag dump into shooter/horde trash from afar

otherwise i semi auto

[soft blade]

otherwise for iLas i just use the mg Ia

[terse idol]

Mg4 with full auto was the secret recon

[unborn perch]

This is the way

[junior needle]

mg4 is fine, although not as well performing as the 1a on any metric apart from feel. 1a has slightly higher dps but also considerably more one shot potential

It might have better ammo efficiency

[serene bough]

doesnt the mg4 have higher dps

[junior needle]

Nope, 1a is slightly higher

[soft blade]

damn

[junior needle]

It's something like 900 to 875

Ish

on paper

[unborn perch]

Ok so there is nothing bad about the MG4. Great fire rate, great recoil, great mag size. Slightly less damage per shot but it makes up for it in firerate.

[tiny summit]

flashlight gaming

[soft blade]

i mean on its own it’s fine it’s just there’s a better option in the same category

[junior needle]

I wouldn't say great recoil, all the infantry lasguns bounce a ton for no reason even with very high stability/deadshot/exe

[serene bough]

pretty sure it was the opposite

regardless, its not that different

[umbral scaffold]

Lasgun, best gun. No fight there.

[tiny summit]

The bounce is very, very manageable though

[unborn perch]

The mg4 has great recoil at semi auto or full auto. Especially compared to the other two.

[untold mulch]

I am not surprised but good to have confirmation

[serene bough]

honestly i put the Mg4 above the Mg1a

[unborn perch]

The only downside to the mg4 is that it has the least amount of suppression

[untold mulch]

I find their recoil harder to control than autoguns because of the bounce

[soft blade]

lower 1 tap potential compared to both other alternatives

[untold mulch]

is so weird

[soft blade]

that’s the main issue

[junior needle]

Nurp, did the math here: #veteran-class message

Had to find the comment

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-really-raise-eyebrows-eye-brow-gif-7674114773191232285

[untold mulch]

Lasgun recoil feels more like the Vet is faking it

[serene bough]

thank you

[untold mulch]

Pew pew noises while Vet shakes his lasgun each trigger pull

[soft blade]

it’s so funky

[unborn perch]

With flak and damage to elites all shooters are one shot on the weakspot with mg4

[untold mulch]

The more I am thinking of it

the more, yep, The bouncy recoil feels like a bad B-movie and the actor is trying to fake recoil

[unborn perch]

aside from the reaper

[tiny summit]

Full auto mod with helbore throws me off. That shit is off

[untold mulch]

Well full auto with helbore is weird

[soft blade]

full auto helbore

that sounds hilarious

[unborn perch]

fuck mods in general

[soft blade]

i have to try that

[untold mulch]

MG IV should have been burst fire

[unborn perch]

no

[frank ether]

I'd like a burst mark

[tiny summit]

You laugh. But the helbore is actually full auto. It has to time out its charge but you can hold down the trigger to keep shooting

[untold mulch]

Could have been nice, and would be less murder to the fingers

[soft blade]

i think this would’ve been honestly been a better alternative to what we have

[frank ether]

and a cqq mark aswell that has like close damage and higher base stamina

[unborn perch]

I just want a semi auto ballistic pistol that is all

[untold mulch]

Recon ifit were good

Still find dumb that Infantry Las has inverse falloff

[soft blade]

yeah

[untold mulch]

Is one of those things that was designed on a vacuum

[atomic zephyr]

I recall reading somewhere that zero recoil was tried once and QA told them it felt weird/bad

[untold mulch]

by people not playing the game

[untold mulch]

No, that is for sure

but imo, they still made the recoil bad

Like no recoil feels terrible

but this personalyl is barely an improvement

[soft blade]

no recoil would 100% feel weird but the recoil rn just feels super awkward

[atomic zephyr]

i find that i get better results from Kant X laspistol than an ILG

[tiny summit]

How? It's a longer range weapon. Reverse falloff makes perfect sense to me for a laser

[umbral scaffold]

I even do Auric Damnations with a Lasgun.

Lasgun best gun, can't change my puny guard/gun psyker mind.

[atomic zephyr]

i love my MG1A anyway though

[finite imp]

You are beyond help there is no changing your mind without piles of cocaine

[untold mulch]

In a game where constatntly you are getting stuff closer, means that your lasgun is shittier and shittier each new second in an engagement

Also Infantry lasgun, I would call it midrange, long range maybe the XII

[unborn perch]

The actual best semi auto rifle in the game is the Vraks HH MK7

[tall torrent]

Anyone know how Skullcrusher works exactly?

[still nebula]

oh man, there's a poll on reddit for people to vote if plasma gun is OP. I voted it is and made the mistake to also write why I think it's OP. Got instantly cancelled and downvoted by the guy who made the poll xD
I mean, why make a poll if you can't accept a different opinion

[tiny summit]

And in a game where you can have engagements at all ranges, it's the niche for it. Like. Plenty of games of Darktide where you can make use of it

[umbral scaffold]

hads down, best semi-auto. Not best gun, but best semi-auto.

[frank ether]

I think its fine for mg12

and mg1a aswell

[unborn perch]

Easily

[serene sage]

reddit has severe skill issue that only the plasma con fix

[untold mulch]

Yeah I see it fine for that one, but at minimum the IV was a dumb choice

[soft blade]

first mistake was discussing this game on reddit lmfao

[serene sage]

of course they won't want it nerfed

[tall torrent]

Is Skullcrusher just “any enemy staggered by you takes +40% dmg for 5s”

[frank ether]

they could still do it with more marks

[tiny summit]

I was in a thread listing all of its strengths and they legit think the venting toughness tickle is a drawback

[untold mulch]

I am all in for more las weapons

[serene sage]

well at least the playtesters aren't idiots

[umbral scaffold]

TBF, I don't like the plasma rifle in Table top OR in games. I've always enjoyed the pistol more, simply because I feel it's way more versatile. I wish the Plasma Pistol was in game instead of the Auto Pistol

[junior needle]

Iirc it's weird and you have to hit them while they're staggered too, it's not a permanent debuff

[untold mulch]

to be determined

[tall torrent]

No respite only works while they’re staggered, not sure abt Skullcrusher?

[tiny summit]

Are you sure?

[tall torrent]

I’m considering rampage + Skullcrusher for DC sword

[still nebula]

hahaha for real? i can hear the venting chipping at my toughness but i always have trouble noticing the actual damage on it

[junior needle]

With crab gone I'm not so sure about that

There've been a couple dogshit weapons that haven't gotten any love for multiple patches now

[tiny summit]

Because if you're using plasma you likely took CK and while using plasma and venting you probably have like 3-6 stacks of CK going off

It tickles like 5-10 toughness per tick

Maybe even less

[untold mulch]

Yep, Vraks 7 jumps a lot less than any of the Infantry lasguns
just checked on psykanium

So fucking weird

[tall torrent]

If u have gloryhunter on plasma u can do some very funny things

[soft blade]

lose 10 toughness after 15 elite kills borderline unusable smh

fat shart please buff

[hard briar]

Fucking what

[tiny summit]

I hope plasma stays as powerful as it is. It should have drawbacks tho. Tap fire vs charged fire cleave should be a meaningful choice. Tap fire being unable to blow up is brain dead.

[tall torrent]

gloryhunter + confirmed kill + target down

[tiny summit]

CK gives instant toughness and then toughness over time. You can have multiple stacks of CK going off

[soft blade]

[tall torrent]

This actually makes born leader not shit btw

[tiny summit]

How much is target down toughness? It's be funny to get MF Tunnel Vision and Plasma Glory Hunter

[hard briar]

This reminds me of the time I used to run camo expert and at arms length so I always regened toughness while venting

[tall torrent]

Combat refresh minimum is 2 stacks so that’s 10% toughness + 10% stamina
At 5 stacks it’s 25% toughness + 25% stamina

[hard briar]

Such potent cheese

[tiny summit]

Hmm so...imagine 10 MF stacks and always at +25% Toughness Replenish

[hard briar]

But yea I'm not using glory hunter or confirmed kill xD

[tall torrent]

MF with plasma is not great

[hard briar]

[untold mulch]

I can't keep 10 stacks even if my life depended on it

[tiny summit]

No shit

I'm memeing here.

[hard briar]

All this toughness regen shit when all.you gotta do is shout and kill to keep shouting and killing

[junior needle]

I'm trying to rack my brain with info from a youtube video about the ogryn shield I didn't pay much attention to

[tiny summit]

I don't want to be a karen

VoC made vets weak

[hard briar]

Vets were always weak

The class needed infinite ult uptime and 75% DR from all sources with infinite toughness regen to be OP

With how many damage buffs sterioded into it?

Miss me with that

[frank ether]

your mistake was being on r*ddit

[agile yew]

So annoying i cant change talents in psykarium to test for example in practice +30% weakspot dmg

[untold mulch]

The Echochamber must keep echoing

[woven hazel]

power sword strong af with extra charges, why don't I see ppl use it more?

[hard briar]

Skill issue mainly

Sit down son it's story time

Back in my day Vets were mainly blind and crippled arthritis ridden morons and Psword had like 11 empowered swings that Swiss cheese near infinite number of enemies in a game where the damage cap was hard set to 3 or 4 for most melees

Naturally this made Vets incredibly dog at melee. So when Fatshark took that away, they malded hard

Of course this eventually led to them realizing there are other. Classes and even other melee weapons

[still nebula]

I think my second mistake was writing too many words. They are allergic
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/19ehyth/comment/kje645r/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[agile yew]

Edited my build while taking some advise. Changed Desperado (melee node) to Superiorit Complex +15% Elites so its more versatile for both melee/ranged. And +25 toughness instead for the +50 toughness from shout.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b2bbebb-b832-454a-a351-31476b9187be/baby-lvl-30-veteran

[woven hazel]

ah so it isn't broken anymore

[unreal bone]

Did they buff recons at all in the yesterday patch?

[woven hazel]

is why ppl stopped using it

[hard briar]

Nay, it's just a strong melee weapon that isn't brain dead broken so ppl stopped using it since now it requires frontal love activation

[drifting oak]

psword is still good

extremely good, even

[woven hazel]

yeah im as good as my zealot in melee - the charge

[hard briar]

Like the entire premise behind Vet back in the day was how little of my brain can I avoid using

[agile yew]

Cant wait to try Power Sword, its just behind this wall called Energise

[drifting oak]

even with the activations caveat, mass-cleaving hordes is still pretty based

[unreal bone]

Where can I find patch notes

are there any balance changes?

[open cosmos]

The hotfix had 6 lines of bug fixes, dont worry about it

[unreal bone]

Bruh..

[open cosmos]

It was like a nothing patch

[bronze trout]

Never forget what they took from us, give back full ammo on ability use

[unreal bone]

Did they atleast fix the revolver bug

with the new cadian officer revolver skin

[open cosmos]

Without looking Imma guess no

[untold mulch]

For most players it was a nothing patch

[soft blade]

mostly bc it’s boring

[untold mulch]

Lmao

[unreal bone]

Ik ik

[untold mulch]

extendo barrel

[unreal bone]

recon lasgun

[open cosmos]

Because the vulnerable periods during recharge create a skill issue for many players

[soft blade]

recon las da long way

[untold mulch]

No need to aim

if barrel touching heretic

[soft blade]

[woven hazel]

true true

[soft blade]

can’t miss if you’re always barrel stuffing people

[tiny summit]

What? Yea you can

[agile yew]

The container where you change weapon

[agile yew]

Yeah i kept changing weapon there all the time, but only now realised can also switch talents

[untold mulch]

Dammit XCOM

[tiny summit]

It's still strong. It's also just not satisfying and some people still don't have PC4. I got my PC4 and then barely used it.

[junior needle]

Intentional buffs
Recons

[agile yew]

Is there any other enemy you should not aim at head besides Mauler?

[bronze trout]

Wish me luck

[junior needle]

Beast of nurgle

[agile yew]

Nurgle has that yellow pop at back then for that?

[junior needle]

That's it

[tiny summit]

Honorary ogryn

[junior needle]

yes

[soft blade]

you are now an NPC in an escort mission good luck

[jolly hemlock]

low intensity you are not giving it all for the emprah

[untold mulch]

[idle swallow]

nah they nerfed em

Half ammo half damage

[soft blade]

hopefully they’ll fix the bug where you can equip recon lasguns on your character soon

[untold mulch]

Hmm, I think they are still somewhat usable

need another nerf

[soft blade]

[junior needle]

Rending talents removed, crit strings removed entirely

Compensation buff, max infernus stacks increased from 12 to 14.

[untold mulch]

SHIP IT TOMORROW