veteran-class

[fast cargo]

Not familiar with Fantasy, wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong

[terse idol]

He's practically a Daemon for Skaven

[fast cargo]

Got it

[terse idol]

I should say Greater Daemon too

[fast cargo]

Waitaminute

"Decy is his stock in trade"

All things must rot

[hard briar]

The Great Horned Rat is a whole ass God

[terse idol]

Yes

[earnest lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/so-small-south-park-gif-20507467

[terse idol]

but he exists in the warp

[slow spade]

Horned Rat lives in Nurgle's Realm

[terse idol]

He is the god of skaven

[terse idol]

That!

[slow spade]

Darktide features Nurgle

[terse idol]

I dunno about that

[slow spade]

Skaven confirmed

[fast cargo]

Worshiping a demon of Nurgle still makes you a Nurglite.

[earnest lotus]

Nurgling deez

[terse idol]

The great horned one isn't

A demon of nurgle

I can confirm that much

[fast cargo]

If Nurgle's in Those Nuts you're about to have some major issues, so apologies in advance

[terse idol]

He isn't that associated with Nurgle

[hard briar]

The Great Horned Rat is his own chaos diety. Separate from Nurgle.

[fast cargo]

Then between kinking Decay and his followers spreading disease all over the damn place he's cosplaying pretty hard

[hard briar]

Just that Clan Pestilence worships Nurgle.

[terse idol]

The great horned one is like the 5th chaos god

Clan Pestilines worships the great horned one regardless

[earnest lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/great-horned-rat-gif-25718172

[terse idol]

With themes of nurgle

[terse idol]

I mean, because that's one of the many clans

Grey seers don't inherently worship Tzeetch

[slow spade]

where is the god of ballistics in Warhammer? UwU

[terse idol]

They get their magic somewhere else from the warp

[slow spade]

all these guns and no god?

sus

[hard briar]

His name is Sigmar

[terse idol]

Clan Skyre

[slow spade]

Sugmar

[earnest lotus]

Khorn

[slow spade]

Ikit Claw needs an assault cannon

[terse idol]

He's already got nukes

[fast cargo]

Vashtor, The Omnissiah, or The Void Dragon, depends who you ask

[hard briar]

Khorn in fantasy hates ranged combat

[slow spade]

the reason why Skarbrand got clapped is because Khorne uses railguns

[fast cargo]

Mind you, there's also a chance those last two are the same thing, but that's another matter

[slow spade]

need a 3 way arena fight between them

[hard briar]

The Omnissiah is the God Emperor

[slow spade]

counter-point Skull Cannons

[earnest lotus]

Oh right he wants to be close to kiss boys

[fast cargo]

Current lore's headed that way, Dark Mechanicus, Mechanicus, and Necrons are on a collision course

[fast cargo]

He specifically isn't, that was a major point of contention when bringing Mars into the Empire

[slow spade]

"HERE COMES THE VOID DRAGON WITH A STEEL CHAIR"

[fast cargo]

He's considered to speak for the Omnissiah, but he is not the Omnissiah

[slow spade]

iirc the God Emperor is what the Mechanicus accepts as "the pinnicle of flesh"

[fast cargo]

DEAR GOD

[earnest lotus]

Hadron gives me the Pinnacle of my flesh

[fast cargo]

Thought you'd be giving her yours?

[earnest lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-techpriest-binaric-screeching-screeching-gif-20192683

[hard briar]

The Mechanicus maintains that the Emperor is the Omnissiah and part of the trinity which includes the Machine God and the Motive Force.

[slow spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h93v9i7qC0o

[earnest lotus]

[fast cargo]

I'm reading the wiki and it thinks the Omnissiah is an aspect of the God-Emperor and now I'm just confused

Fuckin 40k man

[hard briar]

True

It thinks the truth

Praise the Omnissiah

[fast cargo]

Fuck it, I'm just sticking to my Salamanders

At least ours can be described in two words

VULKAN LIVES

[hard briar]

L + implants are outdated + Behind on maintenance + forgot the Litany of Get Bitches + Ratio

[earnest lotus]

Time to rewatch ITEHATTS

[fast cargo]

W+WeDon'tFuckToasters+FIRE

[earnest lotus]

It's dumbed down somewhere in that series

[hard briar]

It is too late

[fast cargo]

True, but it's fun

[hard briar]

Our Artisans have depicted you as the Soyjak and Us as the giga Chad sigmas

[fast cargo]

Fuck, been too long since I got in a meme fight, I'm already out of ammo

Being an adult fuckin sucks

[hard briar]

I've got an entire manufactorum of munitions ready. It's called ADHD

[fast cargo]

Oh, you too?

[earnest lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-emperor-tts-warhammer-warhammer40k-gif-21605736

I'm just a rapid googler

[fast cargo]

Said the Slanneshi

[earnest lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/slaanesh-chosen-warhammer-fantasy-warhammer-slaanesh-chaos-warrior-gif-18406384

Slaanesh in gifs gave me this

Yeah I'm a be fr

[sharp ember]

[earnest lotus]

I would fall to Chaos so fast

[fast cargo]

Looks Darkest Dungeon

In more ways than one

[earnest lotus]

I'm a motherfucker what can I say

[sharp ember]

it's from a darkest dungeon artstyle imitator

[slow spade]

falling for a woman is only baby levels of slanneshi

[sharp ember]

also you're gonna get crabs figuratively and literally

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-hercules-gif-18089624

[earnest lotus]

Who said I cared if it's a woman.

[slow spade]

we need ADVANCED slaneesh art

[slow spade]

true, that dagger do be sexy

[fast cargo]

BEGONE THOT

[earnest lotus]

Only feminine thing about Hadron is the voice.

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-18896366

[earnest lotus]

For all I know Hadron's packing heat

[slow spade]

na Grimdark universe, no way we'd be that lucky

[fast cargo]

She's packing heat... sinks?

[slow spade]

I need more dreadnoughts in games

[earnest lotus]

You're telling me there's no way Grimdark would have that theme of degeneracy?

I'm sorry are we in the same Warhammer universe?

[slow spade]

the Grimdark curse of making people happy vs having degeneracy

[fast cargo]

No, I'm dead certain Slannesh has it, I just am pretty sure the only thing she's got under there is an Intel i9

[hard briar]

We need an entire game of just dreadnoughts

[earnest lotus]

The only people happy in Warhammer 40k are the Slaaneshi Space Marines that have sex, play rock n rolls and literally smoke souls like blunts

What did grimdark mean by this?

[fast cargo]

Cegorach may or may not be happy

Nobody's sure

that's the point

[earnest lotus]

We see what he's doing

[slow spade]

squads of dreadnoughts -> but they have DoW1 pathfinding

[earnest lotus]

He's happy

[hard briar]

Untrue

[earnest lotus]

I'm off work and home

Time to play Darktide and stare at Hadron for an hour or two

[drifting oak]

as it turns out I cannot effectively solo the hack midpoint event

too many shotgun spawns

[earnest lotus]

No way we struggled with shitgunners

Sorry that was toxic

[sharp ember]

it's never just shotgunners

[drifting oak]

It's the scripted "here's 10 shotgunners and their posse of gunners and they ALL come out of the door nearly instantly" moments

And I was able to get through two of them effectively solo

but the third jumped me while I was rezing and just deleted me

"hello" and then I was on the floor lmao

[earnest lotus]

Oh shit yeah

[sharp ember]

remember in the early eras they would regularly shoot their shotguns at the same time like a napoleonic regiment and execute someone

[earnest lotus]

You'd need a Psyker for that business

[drifting oak]

i needed stealth is what

shout could not keep my team alive

they had the lifespan of a snowflake in a oven

and did zero damage

[earnest lotus]

So it was your teams fault

[fast cargo]

So, I wasn't around before Traitor's Curse, but from what I've heard we got hit with the nerf bat hard on Update 13?

[drifting oak]

lmao

no

[earnest lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/rutogalore-batman-thinking-contemplating-hmm-gif-20981309

[drifting oak]

everyone got hella buffed

vet just got two of its OG schticks removed from the game and that made people who crutched hard cry

no instant reload bolter to get double magdumps on elite spawns so you didn't have to interact with them

[earnest lotus]

Yeah the games is significantly easier in the lower difficulties.

However

[drifting oak]

no permanent uptime 75% DR while in exec stance so you can facetank in melee

[earnest lotus]

Spawning has gotten crazy for malice and above

[drifting oak]

but in return we got a ton of other good stuff that's more fun to play around with and arguably better

we lost double-magdump bolter but we got "never has to see a reload naimation in their life" revolver hybrid melee vet

which is ABSURDLY powerful and arguably has just as good carapace/mauler deletion power, just a bit more steady

columnus autogun rending gaming is fun af although I personally think the weapon is overall trash because of its ridiculously variable horizontal recoil making it super inefficient past 15m

it's basically an autopistol

[sharp ember]

getting +50% toughness recovery per elite/special kill, 75% toughness damage reduction and +50% damage during volleyfire, and refreshing volleyfire off shooters except stalkers

strong and required almost no thought to play

[slow spade]

Vet got more tools

and more team based buffs

but Vets themselves got giga-nerfed

[sharp ember]

i'm glad we got more playstyles and more ways to tweak how we build

[vernal harbor]

I didn’t get nerfed‼️

[drifting oak]

vet is actually a real class to play instead of "you are god holding an autopistol until you fumble and the nyou instantly die because your 75% dr crutch disappeared"

[slow spade]

where's your base 200 toughness, 10% crit, and 7.5% toughness per melee kill? UwU

[vernal harbor]

I say make this class even worse so I can be challenged 💪 (this class is in shambles)

[sharp ember]

was pinning fire nerfed in the same update as talent tree introduction? i don't remember

[slow spade]

it was

[vernal harbor]

I got over 90% hit reduction and over 250 toughness im built cadian strong

[drifting oak]

i honestly think the nu columnus build is better than the old autopistol build anyway

rending on hit means now you can shoot crushers lol

[slow spade]

the difference is that was your BASE kit

[muted knot]

And the instantly delete your toughness

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/tropicthunder-osiris-rdj-robert-downey-gif-16185404

[sharp ember]

it's not too far off, you choose between exe stance or shout ability now

[slow spade]

327 toughness I miss you UwU

[placid portal]

man the glory days

[vernal harbor]

We still have it

It’s just not a number

True toughness never was

It was always here

In your heart.

[chrome pasture]

I do not have enough plasteel

Hadron is not pleased.

[vernal harbor]

Nah I support that

[chrome pasture]

WHY ARE PLASTEELS LESS COMMON NOW

[vernal harbor]

From my experience plasteel is in heaps for T5 stuff, so much I can’t get it all

[terse idol]

always was

Probably because they didn't account for the crafting stuff only taking plasteel

[chrome pasture]

I normally play heresy

[terse idol]

We could live in a world where we had equal parts nothing

[vernal harbor]

What’s the giga resource we have millions of

The blue box

[chrome pasture]

max difficulty is just painful with randoms

especially with the solo zealot guy

triggering every daemonhost in the level

[vernal harbor]

Fucking today it is idk it’s usually really smooth

Maybe we need an extra info about what auric level means so people don’t fly into it

[feral lake]

So what happened to vet

[vernal harbor]

Wym

[inland orchid]

nothin

it still walking swiss army knife

[trim steppe]

Heresy is harder than damnation because your average heresy players are absolutely mental. On damnation you have a better chance of finding another chad to team up with and get things done

[odd sparrow]

yep pinning fire used to be 5 stacks giving 20% per stack. Now its 5% per stack

[trim steppe]

Oh you mean my 55k stockpile? Diamantine

[chrome pasture]

isn't damnation hard with randoms?

[inland orchid]

isnt anything difficult hard with randoms?

[chrome pasture]

heres my build btw

[chrome pasture]

depends

[chrome pasture]

Yes, I spent so much plasteel on a shovel. I have no regrets.

[inland orchid]

pubs is like a box of chocolates, you never know whats gonna be in there

[chrome pasture]

Hadron however is wondering what I'm doing blessing my shovel.

But we all know.

That the guardsman's best friend, is his shovel.

[gleaming turtle]

What blessings are you guys throwing on the XIIIg?

Shred seems like a no brainer.

[keen sedge]

what blessing should be used with shovel?

[gleaming turtle]

Which one?

[keen sedge]

the original one

that doesnt have the foldable end

[sharp fjord]

I've been running bloodletter savage sweep on mine

rev + heavy one shots near everything and with carapace can one shot maulers

[gleaming turtle]

Interesting.

[sharp fjord]

it feels real nice, deletes both ragers with a rev'd heavy

and just light spam for horde

[gleaming turtle]

I'll have to consider that then when another decent one falls into my lap.

[gleaming turtle]

Not sure.

[trim steppe]

Seconding this, or swap bloodletter for rampage if you want more horde clear at the expense of a few 1-shot breakpoints

[sharp ember]

Uncanny Strike and Skullcrusher/Decimator are a reliable pairing

Uncanny will let you contribute towards damaging crushers instead of solely staggering them

and just improves your damage output against armors you deal less than 100% damage to in general

[umbral scaffold]

gn my fellow vets

[vernal harbor]

nini

[low yacht]

I'm using the vraks head hunter for a sniper build.

[vernal harbor]

ive learned my true level is 235, thats gross

i see the appeal in making mutiple class characters

[slow spade]

ew not even 4 digits

noob

[umbral scaffold]

ni ni boo boo

UuU

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-hak-jabb-gif-892289627481122892

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-thousand-yard-stare-stare-tiktok-wtf-gif-12206044702998985154

[umbral scaffold]

XD

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009516367181004834/1187537470196297808/download.gif?ex=65973f74&is=6584ca74&hm=81f7bdc042a040011812bb94bd78cadcfdd2005d3ea0ae862098f6e0f2737a0b&

https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-1000-yard-stare-espresso-gif-5540644428338043927

[low yacht]

The shovel with bleed builds even murders bosses.

Honestly.

[slow spade]

there's a discord server i'm in for a game where the dev channel has been hijacked by cat pics

its been great

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

[slow spade]

optimal use of the dev channel

[tiny summit]

Oh damn Darktide got backshots tech?

[placid portal]

gotta love the stims, animations are hilarious

[slow spade]

the stims have been great for speed run zealots

BRING ME BLUE STIMS

[tiny summit]

How does our pilot feel when she has 4 people shooting up their unused stims in the back?

[slow spade]

"air doesn't taste the same unless its full of stims"

[placid portal]

Ah don't worry our pilot got her own stash from lady Alice

[slow spade]

she's probably fine

[tiny summit]

Today I will load up my vape build

More I play I think smokes unironically pretty nice on plasma if you don't want to waste shots on random riflemen

[slow spade]

I just use shredder nades

knocks them down + bleed

I also managed to get Grenade Tinkerer with them

the +25% radius is comfy

[tiny summit]

But double duration twinned smokes

[vernal harbor]

You’re not making it easy to defend you

[tiny summit]

Smokes good

[vernal harbor]

If I saw a plasma vet throw a smoke I’d think they’re ducking with me

[tiny summit]

I will be the vent purge

[vernal harbor]

I know they can be but just seeing plasma and smoke in the same sentence in this chat is menacing

[tiny summit]

All nade talents with smoke

[vernal harbor]

That’s not a lvl 30 talent tree is it?

[tiny summit]

It is

[vernal harbor]

Oh I see nvm

It looked missing some

[tiny summit]

Playing enhanced blitz with 6 Smokes is funny

[vernal harbor]

Uh personally I think you belong in an asylum but I trust you make it work

[tiny summit]

I've been winning

[idle carbon]

hadron saw fit to give me this tac axe too
should be interesting...

[tiny summit]

Turns out plasma and ps6 can do all the work

[vernal harbor]

Yeah I run a grenadier build but seeing the same thing but smoke is different

[tiny summit]

Become the vent purge. Hotbox the hive

They do need to provide team better clarity though.

Imma upload a game at some point

[vernal harbor]

cough traxis uh… like a dude with uh.. cough anyone got ammo?

[tiny summit]

I could make it not have scavenger

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/smokey-friday-gif-26548016

[tiny summit]

But I feel like I should have scavenger to alleviate claims of trolling

[near shore]

lmao could u imagine its just full of weed

actually wait

[vernal harbor]

If you had anything but ammo running that id assume you’re about to steal 35 minutes of my lifespan

[near shore]

whats that new drug evryone is on about? fetnyal?

[vernal harbor]

No one smoking fent 😭 maybe dregs are

[near shore]

lmaooooo toss a can of it at some heretics

[vernal harbor]

Dead

[soft blade]

fent grenade

[near shore]

buffed smoke

[soft blade]

good lord

[vernal harbor]

Now I see why moebians wear gas masks

[near shore]

dev note: added fent to smokes, it now kills on contact

[vernal harbor]

Tossing fent frags

[soft blade]

as if the dregs didn’t tweak hard enough

[near shore]

nurlge blessed fent

[tiny summit]

Vet equips fent grenade insta death

[near shore]

fent + crocodile (mixed)

[soft blade]

hit a crusher with a fent nade and watched him punch a hole through our ogryn

[vernal harbor]

dreg hit by the fent smoke

[near shore]

lmaooo i need this

it needs friendly fire, and u start having a bad time

[vernal harbor]

draft blows it towards the rejects and it’s insta 90% corruption

[soft blade]

hot box the extract with fent

wipe the whole team

[near shore]

see these numbers? its just the fent

[vagrant marsh]

What is your favorite Ranged weapon>?

[near shore]

uhhhh

agri shotgun

[soft blade]

rocks

[near shore]

exibit A

[soft blade]

and maybe sticks

[vagrant marsh]

[near shore]

note: the shotgun hit harder than the revolver and bolter

i have dmg numbers if u want proof

:3

[near shore]

wait

https://youtu.be/aM4xN0WMQd8?si=2_MrIP3oHOLO2uZh

[inland orchid]

i did not know this existed, i feel ashamed that i didnt

AYO IS THAT KHORN-

[tardy plaza]

Man I just played with the best Vet I've ever seen

[vernal harbor]

yessir

[serene bough]

love this video

[tardy plaza]

We almost two manned this ridiculous ass auric maelstrom with monst specialists cus FS didn't give us any teammates

[vernal harbor]

hell yeah

[near shore]

i fucking love the video and it talks about fent

[vernal harbor]

midway through a mission realizing that fatshark is just not going to send anyone

[near shore]

bah, not needed

[vernal harbor]

it’s like not getting any response on the vox knowing you’ve been left for dead

[near shore]

like, if im not playing deaf, and i need to i become the meme of "fine, ill do it myself"

[vernal harbor]

☝️🤨 it is needed for me if my ass is doing auric maelstrom

i mean I can clutch a lot of things, but clutching for an entire maelstrom is not something I’d even want to wish upon myself

[near shore]

behold the offense score

[slow spade]

"top ammo picked up" approved 👍

[serene sage]

did you join half way through?

[near shore]

no

[serene sage]

3 manning that mission huh

[near shore]

prob was using my shotgun XD it can be ammo hungry

[near shore]

3 man isnt bad

[slow spade]

I didn't even look at any other stat except ammo picked up 😎

[near shore]

here we go lmao

[slow spade]

wow didn't even reach an ammo pickup

maelstrom with no ammo maybe? 🤔

[near shore]

uhhh i think it was?

might of been the all armor no ammo

[slow spade]

understandable now

[near shore]

for that i use the 1 shot revolver, Dclaw and survivalist

[low yacht]

I am using vraks for my sniper build.

[serene sage]

wait those are maelstrom games?

[near shore]

as u can see, they died a few times

[low yacht]

Stealth sniper build.

[near shore]

ye

im almost exclusively play maelstrom

[serene sage]

how did you end a maelstrom with sub 1M damage between 3 people though

[near shore]

this auric maelstrom, only 16 dmg taken

[near shore]

failed

[serene sage]

ohh

[slow spade]

recon lasgun vet in Maelstrom clearly UwU

[near shore]

ye, the 2 guys we shocked that i was bale to clutch like 2 time in all melee no ammo XD

we still died but it happens

[low yacht]

Vraks is a great auto gun

But wasn't that autogun used by heretics.

[near shore]

zealot gaming

[low yacht]

The heretic militia.

On Vraks

[near shore]

no clue

[low yacht]

Vraks is a world that krieg fought on in the mud.

[near shore]

you know whats funny about this, i hadnt been awake more tha 10 min and was very hungover

[low yacht]

From Cardinal that took over in a uprising.

[slender turtle]

How's mercy killer on a vet

[near shore]

i only ever leave it to help noobs/ randos at lower levels, give tips and such

[near shore]

lemme show ya

[near shore]

:3

[slender turtle]

I feel like I'm missing out on it

[slender turtle]

Precog or...?

[near shore]

no, rending backstab

[vernal harbor]

Infiltration

[slender turtle]

Right. I forget about rending

[near shore]

ya, its mega stacked

want to see a none stacked dmg img?

[slender turtle]

I been wanting to try a stealth vet since that seemed more fitting than a stealth zealot

[vernal harbor]

Infiltration is better poppin off than any utility it gives

[near shore]

well i use it for this for ez dmg

[vernal harbor]

Now that is weaponized fent

[near shore]

u right tho

so is this

1 mag, not even half way through it lol

[dire lagoon]

ok so the last couble days I keep getting matched with a level 690 zealot who just speedruns ahead as fast as possible and when he inevitably gets down he just leaves the game and rejoins within 1 minute to take over for the bot...It's super annoying to play with him, is there anyway to block people?

[vernal harbor]

Why it got so much health

[slow spade]

Yes?

[near shore]

tech yes, i think

[near shore]

damnation

[serene sage]

yes, go to menu -> social -> select name -> block

[slow spade]

Just go to socials

[dire lagoon]

He probably leaves and rejoins every game 5+ times at least

[vernal harbor]

never knew that’s the damage needed to kill it that’s crazy

[dire lagoon]

ty

[near shore]

honestly, ignore em and mind ya teammates

[near shore]

it has like 52k hp

[slow spade]

The problem is all the aggro'd enemies

[slender turtle]

No. Fatshark just put in a placebo effect for people unironically blocking people

[slow spade]

"Oops all bulwarks"

[near shore]

gestures to the img above, the knife will 1 shot bulwarks and crushers

[dire lagoon]

placebo?

[slow spade]

Lol

[vernal harbor]

Nah it’ll block em but only that character

[slender turtle]

It doesn't work. You can block people but it doesn't work

[near shore]

toooooooo be fair, i enjoy auric malestrom all melee no ammo so a pack of them is common

[slender turtle]

Makes you feel like it does though

[vernal harbor]

Might be a bug but it does what it says

To the extreme someone on here hit the max block list in like a week

[dire lagoon]

ok well I blocked him, lets see anyways... what a crazy ADD way to play lol.

[near shore]

i could reccomend some bulids that might help

[near shore]

its fun! .....if its u and friends

[vernal harbor]

That’s also why I wish my true level was hidden because you get treated with a bias

[dreamy storm]

dumb question to ask but is exhilarating takedown still bugged??

[vernal harbor]

“He’s got it” or “this asshole..”

[slow spade]

Fixed weeks ago

You're good to use it now

[near shore]

no

[slender turtle]

Knife works on zealot but the rushing ahead thing is just a meme

[dire lagoon]

yeah with friends I can totally understand..but with randoms it's just annoying for the other 3.

[slender turtle]

Might as well call them out for it

[dire lagoon]

but he dies 5+ times a match and just insta leaves and rejoins lol

[near shore]

ya, plz dont do it with randos XD

[slender turtle]

So say something

[dire lagoon]

I have, but no point to get into a flame war or something.. he just ignores.

[vernal harbor]

At least make them mad I mean I don’t condone it but I wouldn’t stop it

[near shore]

well u could apply me healer rule "if i tell you not to do something, and you do it and die/ go down, im not saving you"

[vernal harbor]

In my games the second that happens we just vote kick

[dire lagoon]

That's why he leaves and insta rejoins heh...can insta revive.

[vernal harbor]

Same with going non verbal and just causing problems, just votekick

[near shore]

just dont res, if its a choice

[vernal harbor]

nah vote kick that kid

[serene sage]

vote kick

[vernal harbor]

zero tolerance all the way

[near shore]

frankly, i had someone yesterday be an ass when i questioned them

wait

lemme see if i have the scoreboard

[serene sage]

I think it's the same menu, you can click vote kick

[vernal harbor]

yeah it is

Gotta go to social and current team and get their ass

Solo mod exists specifically for that

[serene sage]

i dont think solo gives plasteel?

[vernal harbor]

They ain’t doing it for plasteel though

They’re just assholes

[dire lagoon]

I've been playing a lot the last two weeks all quick match damnation, 90%+ of the time teammates are all fine.

[vernal harbor]

Until today

[near shore]

in my exp, toxic people play lvl 3 and 4

[hard briar]

90% of teammate complaints in damnation are copium. 8% are Zealots. 1.8% are Pyskers.
.2% are Ogyrns not getting g out of the way

[near shore]

usually if a malestrom flops, ppl say "nt" or "gg"

[vernal harbor]

Ironically I always said I never seen toxic people and then I started auric maelstrom’s couple days ago and I get it

[tardy plaza]

Yeah a toxic player is just

Very rare

I play only maelstroms and the most toxic thing I'll see is people who instaquit as soon as they go down or die

[near shore]

found it

the father dude, was toxic

[near shore]

usually happens after frustration for hrs

[tardy plaza]

this was the dude

we almost duo'd the maelstrom 😔

We almost got to the end

[vernal harbor]

This but even at my most frustrated I’m an adult, but I also realize the people who put in that crazy times are usually kids or teenagers

[dire lagoon]

is maelstrom/auric less effective for farming plasteel? I want to jump up but I still trying to farm a lot to gear three characters kitted out.

[near shore]

just do reg lvl 5 missions

[tardy plaza]

Auric damnations are fine for farming plasteel but afaik there's no actual change from standard damnations

[vernal harbor]

A typical path through auric maelstrom organically will yield you much, even if you fail

[tardy plaza]

Play damnation regularly and you'll accumulate

[vernal harbor]

But don’t you dare queue if you can’t handle it

[tardy plaza]

I mean that's how I got good

[vernal harbor]

damn that’s like 2 good consecrations

[tardy plaza]

I just tossed myself out of the frying pan and into the fire until I got gud

[tardy plaza]

I spent 40k on one devil claw

[vernal harbor]

This guy

My most hated man I’ve ever seen

[vernal harbor]

Mannnn I spend millions and get nothing I can’t stand that luck

[tardy plaza]

Oh I mean 40k plasteel

I spent like 3 million ordos

[vernal harbor]

Oh lmao

That makes more sense

[tardy plaza]

the nice thing tho is

once you have that build that just makes the sun shine for you

you get tons of mats because you arent really spending any

[vernal harbor]

Curse and blessing

[dire lagoon]

I love the devil claw but it feels a little weak compared to my powersword.

[vernal harbor]

It’s just a different use

Power sword is the training wheel safe weapon

Does everything very well

[near shore]

devil claw is goated

[vernal harbor]

But in terms of skill and what you can pull off, devil claw can do more

[tardy plaza]

Devil claw parry build is pretty good

But my golden-god build is my taxe chastise zealot

[near shore]

decil claw can parry bosses,maulers,crushers,ragers,bulwark etc

[serene sage]

dclaw sometimes feels like that swordmen in indiana jones

[tardy plaza]

It's really micro

[serene sage]

like it's flashy

but sometimes I just wish it's the PS

[tardy plaza]

I prefer just wide dodging and spamming my axe lights until whatever it is is dead

Goes better with free bird

[serene sage]

I just special and kill and don't bother with the parrying stuff

[near shore]

Dclaw light and heavy combo spam

[tardy plaza]

Yeah I'd never take dclaw on Vet

[near shore]

parry as needed

[tardy plaza]

PS is so good lol

[near shore]

counter point

[dire lagoon]

L1 H1 L1 H1 is sweet

[serene sage]

waveclear speed on it is still not as fast as the PS or Rashad tbf

[near shore]

counter demon host, maulers, crushers, plague ogryns

[orchid cargo]

which helbore mark is best?

[near shore]

oh for sure

[vernal harbor]

Whenever this guys done live-streaming I’ll clip my insane moment I pulled off with the power sword, it’s a very reliable titan

[near shore]

but i like the utlity

[dire lagoon]

Rashad is good wave clear?

I also really want to try a good chainsword... ~

[tardy plaza]

It's nice

But unnecessary

[near shore]

i will purpoersly get infront of chaos spawns, aggroed DH and ogryn to parry for dmg and to cover my team

[finite imp]

based music choice

[serene sage]

well rashad can perma stun the elites and does good damage do plgryns since it weirdly chops unyielding with high damage

[serene sage]

one of the best yes

[tardy plaza]

Plague Ogryn's are the easiest boss to dodge but the other two you can't parry their grabs so it's dangerous

[bitter turtle]

i find it weird

[near shore]

lol thx

[bitter turtle]

that lights on rashad

[tardy plaza]

I hate the beast of nurgle grab

[bitter turtle]

do more dmg than heavy

to maniac

[tardy plaza]

You literally can't melee the damn thing if its aggrod to you

[near shore]

it can only vore u if u have vomit on u

[finite imp]

he cant swallow you if he hasn't puked on you 🙂

[finite imp]

shutupshutupshutup

[near shore]

lmaooooo

[tardy plaza]

Vorehammer

[placid portal]

[vernal harbor]

When you’re holding the BoN aggro and the team just ignores you thinking “oh he’s gonna handle it :)” RAHHHHH

[tardy plaza]

950 hours on this game

and I didnt know that

[near shore]

the devs barely disquised fetish

[placid portal]

Pain

[near shore]

yep if u got vomit on ya, just back up till its gone, tight corners are good

[placid portal]

usually I think of, Get aggro, let teammates focus fire and loop beast

[near shore]

its truly pain

[vernal harbor]

It’s because it’s not attacking you it’s playing with you 😞

[near shore]

lore acc

[vernal harbor]

He just a little guy

In a big world

[near shore]

its just his b-day

[placid portal]

Play ring around the rosy with beast while our pals deal with them by shooting their back

[vernal harbor]

It’s why he spits you out

[serene sage]

I guess you can say only a maniac can think of that ass backward damage

[near shore]

no respite shotgun is nutty on beast of nurgle

[placid portal]

Which one?

[near shore]

agri

i dislike the other 2 shotguns

[placid portal]

Agripinaa is hella stoked

[near shore]

u laugh

[placid portal]

but I do like lawmaker's Mini Frag setup

[near shore]

jesters to the 17k dmg slug

[serene sage]

I dont think BoN can be staggered?

Do you mean Fullbore?

[placid portal]

Pretty hard innit?

[near shore]

it cant,but no respite stacks

[serene sage]

huh

[near shore]

ya i have both

idk why, but no respite works

thats how i got it to 17k

[serene sage]

so does the damage increase with each shot?

[near shore]

blasted a few shots to bulid it, then i slug it

[placid portal]

Full bore is hecking stronk

[near shore]

yes

[serene sage]

interestign

[near shore]

it inc

[tawny glen]

old bug

[near shore]

it can also be used to blast maulers

if needed

[placid portal]

Legit free damage boost for Agripinaa since it has super tight spread

[tawny glen]

no respite shotty has been great on monstrosities

[near shore]

yep

[tawny glen]

it makes ur fire dmg scale too

if u use kant

[near shore]

nope

i hate it

slugs all day

[tawny glen]

ok cool story

[near shore]

its dmg isnt enough i think

the CC is great!

[tawny glen]

only takes 2 fire shots to kill an entire pox horde

[near shore]

but....otherwise....meh

pulls out my Dclaw, for wepon specailst and mag refill

i agree it fire is great CC

[tawny glen]

no, damage

you can disagree all you want the reality is it outputs good damage

[near shore]

but the dmg per shot, with the spread, ammo per mag and resrves is meh

[slender turtle]

I'd do it anyways

[near shore]

uwu well u have fun with it, ill be killing everything accros the map with 1 shot slugs

[tawny glen]

ok live in your own world then

[near shore]

i will

[serene sage]

kant is probably the best gun to pad damage with tbf

probably not the best gun to snipe elites 20m out

but infinite cleave on horde means a lot

[near shore]

i like the utility of the agri

[serene sage]

I mean I also prefer the slug shotty

[near shore]

consitent 2 tap or 1 tap juice and good ammo reserves

[tawny glen]

it

it

[near shore]

i dont know why u would ever take it on vet

[serene sage]

but I also did try the kant one or two games to know that it's like a mini kickback

[tawny glen]

it's a 2 shot sniper killer up to like 50 yards

and then 3-5 at extreme ranges

and up close it shreds obviously

[near shore]

mine only take 1

and has 12 shells still avaliable

[tawny glen]

if that's your argument

plasma

[near shore]

thats a dif wepon

[tawny glen]

if we're going to take absolute best only

[near shore]

kant shouldnt be taken on vet i thinl

[tawny glen]

to say that kant does poor damage is just false

not the best sure

[serene sage]

based on what criteria though?

[near shore]

u wanna be close for it, and vets dmg stuff is distance based

[tawny glen]

says who

[serene sage]

funny because agri damage fall off is also quite severe

[near shore]

are.....are u firing the widest spread pattren gun at distant specials?

[serene sage]

not as bad as others but still quite bad

[near shore]

indeed

[tawny glen]

you ads with kant for far

[hollow ibex]

Tbh kanty range isn’t that bad when ads

[tawny glen]

the spread tightens

[near shore]

but why not just melee if that close?

[serene sage]

law is the widest? kant is the medium child?

[near shore]

i will go test it rn

[tawny glen]

save your effort

[near shore]

lemme double check

[tawny glen]

i will do it for you

[near shore]

law has the widest with its special, but for reg shot is what i meant

[hollow ibex]

It’s not close, the effective range is adequate for most engagements in my experience

So long as you ads

[serene sage]

because the game has a wide range of in betweens where most encounters happen?

like if im 10m out and I have my shotty out

im shooting

im not running 10m to mlee them lol

[near shore]

entering test zone rn

ill SC the wepons

[tawny glen]

damnation using

[serene sage]

I think law still has the widest normal shot?

[tawny glen]

then ill go really far

2 shot with fast TTK

[near shore]

1 sec vid loading

[tawny glen]

so range isn't an issue

[near shore]

ffs disxord

[tawny glen]

oh oops

[near shore]

1 shot

[placid portal]

RnG pellets

[near shore]

ur good, discord shits itself sometimes

[near shore]

slug round

[placid portal]

nah man who let Discord cook reccently

[tawny glen]

even at the far end of the arena

it's a 2 shot on siper no crit

so range isnt rly an issue with kant

[near shore]

crys in ammo

[tawny glen]

survivalist?

[near shore]

12 m

reg shot

[near shore]

yes, ofc with shotguns

[placid portal]

25% ammo is nice

[near shore]

slug did 2k, reg did 1.1k at 15m

[placid portal]

you can push it further to 4k

with crits

[near shore]

yes,crit and execute

[placid portal]

or crit + full bore

[tawny glen]

just be based and run deadshot and duck and dive

[placid portal]

^^^

never be out of stamina in a gunfight

[near shore]

check this

[serene sage]

I run deadshot and 2x3 stam

[tawny glen]

have you tried manstopper shotgun memes

now that's the best shotgun meme

[placid portal]

I did

Got 1st place damage

[serene sage]

I did, good on kant, kinda meh on agri

[placid portal]

and only been out critted by a zealot

[tawny glen]

kant is most suited for it

[serene sage]

I hate the law so im not touching it

[placid portal]

lawbringer Manstopper Flechette is hella hilarious meme

[near shore]

cardio

[tawny glen]

like a budget kickback

vet should have kickback

[placid portal]

Farm damage and crit hits

[serene sage]

though law wants scatter flechette anyway

[near shore]

1 slug

[serene sage]

without scatter how are we critting for flechette though?

[near shore]

opens that fucker up

[tawny glen]

deadshot

[placid portal]

+10% Crit on reload + 25% Deadshot +5% crit on tree +(optional)5% perk + (optional) weapon specialist

[near shore]

20 m slug

[placid portal]

[near shore]

that fucker is knocked down

[placid portal]

Slug got that dawg in em

[serene sage]

I think we know how the slug works bro

[near shore]

indeed

[placid portal]

prefer just body spamming maulers, usually a 3~4 shot kil

(given slug crits)

[serene sage]

yeah I just slam normal shjots on them

can kill in 2-3 body shit if fullbore procs

[near shore]

well with no respite u can slam reg shots into em

[serene sage]

which is often

[near shore]

yep

[placid portal]

Full Bore + No Respite

[near shore]

its what ive got

[placid portal]

max damage

[near shore]

the bulid idea is, store slug before horde, melee and if u see special or whatever hot swap, insta kill blast off a few shells and melee agian

[near shore]

it can keep going if theres stuff to melee

[placid portal]

pretty much

[tiny summit]

See vape nation auric

[near shore]

mild concern

[serene sage]

vape nash yo

[tiny summit]

We're gonna hotbox the hive with this one

[near shore]

need 4 ppl running this

all recon laz

[tiny summit]

I'm not deranged

[near shore]

i am

id run it with 3 others

[serene sage]

it's just boring tbh

[near shore]

huh? u dont think youd meme out?

ive done this will all shred frags

so....so many grenades

we did all grenade perks, shred grenades w/ dif wepons to deal with range or armor

[serene sage]

no, i think recon is boring

which is worse than being bad

[near shore]

oh, fair

i think it needs to shoot 40% faster :3

[cursive lion]

Howd you get 40%

[near shore]

rando number for meme

if i aint gonna do dmg, i might as well brrrrrrrrtttt

i dont think a dmg inc on it is fitting, better ammo cap, ammo mag, fire rate and maybe some pen

[junior needle]

They already have comparatively high fire rate, 6d has the highest rof currently iirc

But they should get both damage and a very sizable ammo pool increase

[near shore]

well i really just want to slam a 100 round mag in 2 seconds

u can actually do this with celertiy stim + wepon specalist

[near shore]

i agree it would be the better choice....but not as fun

[tiny summit]

Give it graia brauto fire rate boost

[near shore]

what about ramp up?

[tiny summit]

No. 0 to 100

[near shore]

keep at reg speed, but gets stupid fast

like, ramp up 2x fire rate if u hold the trigger

[junior needle]

Not sure how fast the rof can get before you encounter issues with server tick rate

[near shore]

if my server doesnt break due to rof on my recon laz, i dont want it

then add celerity + weapon specalist ontop!!

would adding a natrual burn break it? like, if u hold the trigger itll start doing burn dmg

[still falcon]

PUBLIC SERVICE ANOUNCEMENT !!!!

[hollow ibex]

Easily fixed by turning it into a shotgun. Just fire multiple shots per tick

[fleet field]

Fun fact that is literally how heavy minigun works in tf2

[tiny summit]

need so can run 4 recon vets

[still falcon]

PUBLIC SERVICE ANOUNCEMENT !!!! MELK IS CURENTLY SELLING A PURPLE ATROX WITH HEADTAKER 4 ON IT UNTIL DAYLY REFRESH

[fleet field]

That is different per person

[near shore]

Melk is diff for all

[tiny summit]

[still falcon]

WELL FUCK YOU ALL THEN XD

[near shore]

[hollow ibex]

Makes sense

[fleet field]

Does anyone know if blessing unlocks are character or acount locked?

[still falcon]

tanks for teaching me about that tho I really though it was the same for everyone each day

acount

[hollow ibex]

Account locked

[still falcon]

once you get the blessing in the codex its in it for all char

[hollow ibex]

Like cosmetics

And currency

[fleet field]

based

Now I can have melk disappoint me 3 times instead of just once

[hollow ibex]

Fr

[woven abyss]

Makes my peepee hard.

[hollow ibex]

Very nice though flak useless on ps iirc

Unless you’re doing a lot of unpowered hits for whatever reason

[woven abyss]

What would you sugest instead?

[hollow ibex]

Unyielding is meta

And i also run maniac, which is what i see you’re doing

But yeah pretty much a perfect ps you got there

[midnight totem]

fixed myself up a top agrip 2 shot burst headhunter to try out

[hollow ibex]

Grats

[woven abyss]

Thanks I'll give it a shot.

[midnight totem]

still don't like it

even with 80 stability

[idle carbon]

alright, I've finally gotten around to testing the tac axes, the mk2 and the mk7 which I had decent versions of
pretty thoroughly meh, the shovel does basically everything better

and actually has cleave

I suppose that was already the consensus for taxes though, so nothing new there

[tiny summit]

taxes thoroughly meh yea

[dire lagoon]

what is the best use of the vape nade? I've actually yet to try it yet.

[junior grail]

Best use, don't

Lol

Smoke theoretically has its uses but at its current state it causes more hindrances than advantages

[jolly hemlock]

the best use is to not use it

nothing more annpoying than these shit smokes

[hollow ibex]

For griefing your teammates really

Getting sniped through smoke. Fun!

[terse idol]

What noooo

Waack

You either join the VapeNashun, or you're out

[tiny summit]

best scenarios, rooms of gunners and fucking with disablers if they run on top of you

[terse idol]

[tiny summit]

but considering snipers dont care and the vision blocks your team, it is kinda just memey most of the time

[terse idol]

Look if you were gonna get sniped through the smoke you were gonna get sniped anyways, because you can see and hear the laser first

[tiny summit]

they are useful but in most scenarios, kinda a non-factor

[tall torrent]

Supercharge to brutal momentum or sunder
Flak to unyielding or carapace

[tiny summit]

like trappers, dogs and mutants will run through smoke and completely lose tracking

[tiny summit]

but join me. let us hotbox the hive #veteran-class message

[dire lagoon]

is it a good combo with the one that highlights enemies?

smoke wall hacks kinda thing

[tiny summit]

havent really done it because of the point tax and shredders are nice on exe to get enemies off of you. On paper yes? But also smokes can kinda just more used as a delay to take ranged pressure off you

I just took all the nade talents with smokes for the funny. But I was using plasma and power sword

[hollow ibex]

Smokes are still shit. Also, players would prob logically expect smoke to prevent snipers from railing you but no lol.

[terse idol]

Uhh true

but also

They're like a ghetto bubble shield

At the end of the day

[hollow ibex]

Kinda.. just with inconsistent and unreliable protection that might get you killed anyway, while blocking your vision and incurring a talent point tax on most builds

[junior grail]

Smoke bubble that covers my eyes with smog

[hollow ibex]

Ig that’s all part of the ghetto aspect

[junior grail]

I think the easiest fix to Smoke for now is lowering the smoke height.

Like how Bombers flames height is higher than Immolation Nade

So I can actually spot enemy heads over smoke

Ideally, I'd want enemies to be highlighted lightly when looking through the smoke

Something like Ogryns Taunt effect

[vernal harbor]

make smoke just be smoke

just code it to act as a full barrier for line of sight

like a throwable wall

[junior grail]

Snipers and Bombers didn't like that

[vernal harbor]

wouldnt want them to

smoke ideally id think would soley be a gap clearer

[odd merlin]

I've never worked with smoke. I'm curious... in other games it cancels and snuffs out fire. Is that the case in Darktide?

[terse idol]

just

Put it on your feet

You can see out of the smoke

[junior grail]

Clutches tightly to Shredder and Krak

[junior grail]

That's one of the community suggestions

[odd merlin]

Ditto to the shreders and kraks then.

[agile forge]

Question, I got a rashad combat axe with a great roll but it's locked to shred III and 8% elites

is this a brick? I've set it up with bromentum and flak on the other spots

[bleak dirge]

Could not resist the unfathomable urge to get the scion helmet

[serene sage]

I know brother

it's like a drug

[bleak dirge]

Literally the best helmet I’ve seen in the store since forever

[serene sage]

I hate the neck though

it should be covered imo

but yeah it looks good

[bleak dirge]

True, but with high collar tops, it’s easy enough to get by

[serene sage]

my baby boy

[drifting oak]

pugs making runs literally harder than duos because they aggro everything then die and leave you to deal with them

i turn around with the psyker and realize that they've pulled literally two rooms

[serene sage]

I just played with a Bron as well

[bleak dirge]

Oh nice, I still need to get that backpack somehow

[drifting oak]

it's one of the default ogyrn names isn't it

[serene sage]

it's the deluxe version

[drifting oak]

same reason there's a million Yvettes

[bleak dirge]

oh- no wonder I didn’t get it

[serene sage]

if you have spare charge, it's basically 4 outfits and 2900 aquilas

so it's not a bad deal

[bleak dirge]

How much spare change is it

[serene sage]

$20 I think?

[bleak dirge]

[still falcon]

I know fuck ! I just did a auric maelstrom and 2 player dropped at the 1 minut mark and it was on the end of rotation so it was me and a vet plus 2 bots and we did better then the 4 run I did befor with full party

[drifting oak]

yeah

a lot of auric is about pacing

and bad pugs are worse than dead players

because they overpull

[serene sage]

I got it on sale for $13

[still falcon]

yhea !

[serene sage]

apparently

[junior grail]

If only I know how to use For The Drip mod to make the colours the same

[still falcon]

you need to move non stop BUT IT DOSNT MEAN WE NEED TO RUN !

[still falcon]

wtf

[still falcon]

thats sik

[junior grail]

I coom

[serene sage]

and last but not least

none of these are mine of course a friend showed them to me

[junior grail]

Too bad there's no mod that let's you use all cosmetics on your server side only

[still falcon]

we are not playing the same game I think

[serene sage]

who were you in game?

[junior grail]

Foxhope how do you use that mod? Plssss

[serene sage]

yeah about that

[still falcon]

its a joke, because those drip are clearly not from darktide lol

[serene sage]

they are

it's a mod though

[still falcon]

ik

[junior grail]

They are

[serene sage]

only client side

oh

lol

[junior grail]

I don't mind client side only

[serene sage]

is your in game name papanoel?

[junior grail]

Stalked!

[serene sage]

well I had a slugfest today with 2 man auric

[still falcon]

let me rephrase that . we clearly dont play the same game. /s

[serene sage]

i ran out of ammo

or else I could have clutched

[still falcon]

hooo

[serene sage]

sad

[still falcon]

was it like an hour ago in with the nurgle blessed weak monstrosity only scab ?

bro

nvm that was you

you got the same name than your vets

[serene sage]

yeah

[still falcon]

PapaNoel

[serene sage]

that me

small world

[still falcon]

sure is I am never on discord chat, logged in to say that:

PUBLIC SERVICE ANOUNCEMENT !!!! MELK IS CURENTLY SELLING A PURPLE ATROX WITH HEADTAKER 4 ON IT UNTIL DAYLY REFRESH

to be told that melk is random betweene person

[serene sage]

[frank basin]

sire milk

melk the milk

[still falcon]

took a break made some food and milked momy hadron for the fun of it and im about to do another game

XD

[frank basin]

hadron milk is grease

they are not white biological milk, but grease

[still falcon]

I buy thing from melk when he have a blessing I dont have in my codex and I am still sitting on 25 thousen

[serene sage]

legends say he's still falling

[frank basin]

that some un-necessary skybox maps

[tiny summit]

Uh Fatshark...why do you have an entire section of atoma loaded in?

[still falcon]

had a chaos spawn slam me in the ground on a sand mission and I went tru and did the same thing lol take a while for the game to say HEY YOUR ARE DEAD

[frank basin]

fr they have bunch of low poly models

outside map of atoma

thats make some unnecessary performance

[still falcon]

yhea when it happen you start to understand why some open part of maps get massive frame drop

[lofty nova]

question why don't Vets get Sabers ?

[serene sage]

wdym we have sabers

[still falcon]

cuz they have power sword

[lofty nova]

?

[lofty nova]

Power swords are worse than sabers i cry

[serene sage]

to unlock it you need to play as a weird name called psykers, you take the gun with you

and you have a lot of crit

and you get to use saber as your melee

it's good 👍

[frank basin]

he being sarcastic

:vine_boom:

[still falcon]

was just making a point for why vets dont have it

[lofty nova]

i pretty much main gunker. but i want to run with vet for a bit. just all their melee options pretty much suck the best i'v found is literally the knife, and to some extent the shovel

[still falcon]

OG SHIT SHOVEL REPRESENT !!!!

[tiny summit]

Damn MG4 with full auto mod is nice.

[frank basin]

fr

i had on is funny

[tiny summit]

Fatshark make infantry las full auto instead of technically making helbores full auto

[still falcon]

you need good roll to be fun tho I hated it with a passion befor rolling in plasteel and making a good one

[frank basin]

i run mg iv infernus no respite crits

is mediocre

and funny

[tiny summit]

I have headhunter and deadly accurate on mine

Got a Ia with headhunter and ghost

[frank basin]

full auto mg iv HH won't land headshot but rarely

specially far range

[tiny summit]

Kinda fearing they are gonna get nerfed more than the XII getting a proper buff

I get plenty of headshots

[frank basin]

what up with XII? do they underperformance?

[tiny summit]

They got powercrept

[frank basin]

literally

[tiny summit]

MG4 and Ia got damage buffs. With their fire rates and closed dmg gaps, the XII is kinda redundant

Ia will hit most of the same breakpoints

With a higher fire rate