veteran-class

[gusty bison]

Cos ngl I have zero faith in half thr players' abilities to hit headshots without aim assist

Lol

[near shore]

same

[gusty bison]

And zarona is a headshot gun

[near shore]

crys in legally blind in right eye

[gusty bison]

Once again

I dont think the agri volver needs buffs

[near shore]

;-; let me be a cowboy

[gusty bison]

I mean u can

[hollow ibex]

huh is kanty the only shotgun that actually can cleave on its primary without manstopper?

[gusty bison]

I think so

[near shore]

yes

it has 1 pen i believe

[hollow ibex]

not sure what to do with that information... but interesting

yeah seems to be able to pen one target

[near shore]

i still pick agri shotgun

[gusty bison]

Promptly forget it cos Kanny special has infinite pen :P

[near shore]

true

[hollow ibex]

lol yeah

i also tried lawbringinger... feels kinda sad tbh

[gusty bison]

So u fire one fire shot. Get max scattershot stacks.

Fire a second fire shot. Crit and also apply flechette

[near shore]

i like agris armor pen slug and its tight spread and high ammo cap

[hollow ibex]

or maybe there's a really good build for it that i'm not aware of

[gusty bison]

Lawbringer's schtick is flechette

[near shore]

ivwe got u a bulid

[gusty bison]

manstopper scattershlt flechette

[hollow ibex]

but flechette only applies on the first target no?

[gusty bison]

With the duckbull special

[near shore]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b25df89-e58d-4bb0-ade6-7e1d916b6411/cqc-specialist?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[gusty bison]

On all targets hit by a crit

[near shore]

ya i use that on my zealot

with scatter shot

[hollow ibex]

dafuq, multiple people said flechette only applies on the first target 🤔

[near shore]

that link is my shotgun bulid

[gusty bison]

If thats the case then lawbringer flechette wont work

[near shore]

ive tested it, it applies to all u crit hit

[gusty bison]

And thats the lawbringer build atm

[near shore]

tbh tho, lawbringer in general is mid

[gusty bison]

Manstopper Flechette.

Duckbill

[hollow ibex]

i've got a good build for shotties, just trying to figure out what to put on the shotties

[gusty bison]

Crit stack as much as u can

[near shore]

which shotgun?

[hollow ibex]

hmm aight

[hollow ibex]

prob kanty and lawbringer

kanty i'm running the generic no respite and fullbore rn

[near shore]

no respite and fire frenzy for dmg

i wouldnt fullbore kanty do to its spread

[hollow ibex]

it seems to be doing ok tbh

but yeah i wouldn't mind swapping fullbore out

[near shore]

oh itll work

but if u want optimal

[hollow ibex]

not married to using fullbore on it

so if i want to use flechette, lawbringer is the best option?

[near shore]

ya, fullbore is good on agri because ita slugs activates it

yes

[hollow ibex]

yeah

agri was super easy to build

[near shore]

its pretty effective if u can pop heads

i dislike kantrel because i feel the dmg is lacking

[hollow ibex]

was hoping for a meme build with special shot kanty, that applies both fire and bleed DOTs

[near shore]

i was trying to make thta actually

[hollow ibex]

maybe scattershot and flechette 🤔

[near shore]

i feel kanty needs more dmg

thats what i use

u can rapid fire into a crowd as needed

[hollow ibex]

ig i'll try it at some point, perpetually broke on plasteel

[near shore]

i feel that

mint

[rough cobalt]

If i get blessing from let's say devils claw that is savage sweep will I be able to use it on chainsword? (melk has one with savage sweep 4 for me)

[near shore]

no

[rough cobalt]

🥲

[near shore]

blessing are kept the weapons uhhhhhh catergoy? all devil claw will get devilclaw perks regarldess of what kind u dismantle

[rough cobalt]

yea I'll never use any other melle weapon besides chainsword so it's doesn't matter then

[near shore]

why not?

[rough cobalt]

Chainsword supremacy

[near shore]

i raise you this

1 shot chain axe

[rough cobalt]

It's ugly tho

[near shore]

true

i use devil claw

[rough cobalt]

not sleek and perfect like chainsword

[umbral scaffold]

I remember when I told myself something similar

[near shore]

zealot main in denial

[rough cobalt]

Nah I don't even have other classes done only vet

1 character since game launched ;D

[near shore]

lmaooooo

[gusty bison]

Kanny meta is Scattershot Flechette

[near shore]

zealot is fun

[gusty bison]

But no respite is ok

Wouldnt take FB on Kanny

[rough cobalt]

Tbh I only bought this game for veteran

[bitter turtle]

UM actually katanas are hte most sleek and perfect weapon

https://i.gyazo.com/1c406bcc8c3199097f26ec0a917ce3b2.jpg

[near shore]

this mf

lmao

[rough cobalt]

nah not enough chainsaw

hence no dmg

[hollow ibex]

does anyone know what the mod is that allows you you to "create" and test weapons with perks/blessings you pick in the psychanium?

[rough cobalt]

(ik knife is op af)

[gusty bison]

Its not OP

[near shore]

lmaooo was just about to whip that out

[hollow ibex]

i had been told it was fullbore/no respite lol

[gusty bison]

Just good

[near shore]

16k dmg

[gusty bison]

This is a bit old

[near shore]

pog

[gusty bison]

It used to be

[hollow ibex]

but i'll prob make another kanty anyway

[gusty bison]

Like

P12 kanny

[rough cobalt]

Bruh i saw one guy with knife practily carry whole team on auric maelstorm for 100k ordo mission

[gusty bison]

Player not the weapon

:P

[near shore]

ya

its a skill game

[rough cobalt]

with camo too he ran through the whole map holding that and dashing

[gusty bison]

Unless he is speedrun-

Oh

[near shore]

ah

i raise u this

[gusty bison]

So uh... i might wanna note this

[near shore]

cardio

[rough cobalt]

Nothing against that knife guy

[bitter turtle]

step 1. let entire team die
step 2. camo through area
step 3. res everyone on the next point
step 4. call them all bad and say you carried :^)

[rough cobalt]

he realy carried

[bitter turtle]

jk

[near shore]

im getting that stripped down value

[torn moat]

How does Agri HH Autogun compare with Vraks 7?

[bitter turtle]

not well

[rough cobalt]

revived us like 20 times

[bitter turtle]

its in an awkward spot

[gusty bison]

Speedrunning is a cheese tactic designed to break the ai director.

Its actually very very easy to speedrun

[bitter turtle]

if you're looking for something that functions like an automatic

[gusty bison]

Especially if ur teammates are dead

[bitter turtle]

v3's 3 round burst is better

[rough cobalt]

Can't do much when it's 5 chaos ogryn spawning out of nowhere tho

[bitter turtle]

if you want a DMR sniper type weapon

[gusty bison]

Nah its really easy

[bitter turtle]

v7 is much better because it hits 1shot breakpoints on most lighter elite/specialists

[gusty bison]

Cos u just keep running

[bitter turtle]

agri has the 2 round burst which

[gusty bison]

And the enemies cant catch up

[bitter turtle]

isnt as good atplaying bursty assault rifle

[near shore]

ya

[rough cobalt]

I just joined and was allready 10 hp, was dark af, and i had lasgun instead of plasma

[near shore]

i tried it and its meh

[bitter turtle]

but the 2round burst makes it harder to control for oneshotting most enemies with a single click

[gusty bison]

Also as a nore

[bitter turtle]

its just extra effort at that point for no real reward

[gusty bison]

Speedrunning kills ur teammates

So like

[rough cobalt]

I'm happy as long as we win

[bitter turtle]

so this you mean #veteran-class message

[near shore]

i agree, i needs to do more dmg overall, but split up by bullet, so missing really hurts

[bitter turtle]

jk

[tulip condor]

Sorry what about speed running?

[bitter turtle]

yeah, if you wanted burst, v3 is just much better than that

[gusty bison]

Yep

[tulip condor]

Is that what I'm seeing on qp?

[gusty bison]

Some people speedrun on qp yes

They are dicks

[tulip condor]

That fucking annoying

[crude ermine]

And they smell bad too

[near shore]

how about deadshot on the 2 burst, with exec stance and HH?

[tulip condor]

At least say that you are so I can be prepared

[rough cobalt]

meh, he never said anything just played so I'm happy for rewards 😅

[bitter turtle]

i mean

[tulip condor]

or hell, might even be down for the change of pace

[bitter turtle]

HH just synergizes better with v3 still

i guess you eat less stamina on deadshots for agri though

[near shore]

true

[gusty bison]

Agri is passable

One big BIG thing about agri that V3 doesnt have

[umbral scaffold]

I speedrun around the map so the team can walk in a straight line and ignore 90% of the pickups like they always do

[gusty bison]

2.7x finesse

[tulip condor]

IAG or Braced y'all talking about?

[near shore]

.> when i dont run any stamina

[bitter turtle]

neither

headhunter autoguns

[gusty bison]

This aint speedrunning

[tulip condor]

ah

[gusty bison]

XD

Thats just a zealot on crack

[rough cobalt]

I run all 3 toughness curios

[umbral scaffold]

Speedgathering

[rough cobalt]

i got like 3x17

[gusty bison]

Aye

[near shore]

no hp?

[tulip condor]

is it using able? Never made a Autogun

[rough cobalt]

nah

[umbral scaffold]

I play Farmville and the twats play Darktide

[near shore]

wack

[rough cobalt]

i use voice of command so i just spam that

[tulip condor]

damn shame

[rough cobalt]

hardly ever die though

[gusty bison]

But yea Agri 9 has 2.7x finesse which is actuallt a notable upside over Vraks 3

[near shore]

the denfition of "either i have toughness, or im dead"

[rough cobalt]

yeah but when nothing hits you?

bosses are easy to kite

[umbral scaffold]

Doesn't the agri 9 still have that obnoxious stagger that makes chaining shots a pain?

[gusty bison]

Yep

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[near shore]

rip

[gusty bison]

Thats the annoying bit

[bitter turtle]

that's kinda why its meh

[umbral scaffold]

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[bitter turtle]

if you wanted to DMR just v7 for the oneshot

[near shore]

its a pain to use

[bitter turtle]

at least v3 can play like a pseudo iag

[tulip condor]

Is that how ppl use VoC, spamming?

[gusty bison]

Like ive used the A9 before

[near shore]

yes

[gusty bison]

Its...

Ok

[rough cobalt]

Right, anyone any idea if we gonna get new penances for more comsetics or nah?

[gusty bison]

Just annoying at times

[tulip condor]

I always used it situationally

[crude ermine]

Nope

[bitter turtle]

there's the talent on the skill tree

[rough cobalt]

nope as no idea or nope as in no more

[bitter turtle]

that reduces cooldown for every specialist kill

[crude ermine]

No clue

[bitter turtle]

so spamming it is good

[near shore]

well, its not something u should keep 24/7 its quick recharge

[gusty bison]

Ngl I dunno if Surg is better on A9

[bitter turtle]

well

[tulip condor]

Ive seen some bad timing cuz we didnt have in time somtime

[bitter turtle]

dont use it if LITERALLY NOBODY is around u though

lol

[tulip condor]

ah

[near shore]

i normally run to teammates with no toughness and pop it

[zealous wyvern]

use it whenever it seems useful

not NEEDED

just useful

[bitter turtle]

i mean i think that sums up the problem with A9 lol

its in a weird middle spot of two very different types of play

[zealous wyvern]

it will lower the rate at which it will be needed

[gusty bison]

Yep

[bitter turtle]

excelling at neither compared to v3 and v7

[gusty bison]

It also has a higher skill ceiling than V7

Which is already a difficult gun

[zealous wyvern]

i like vraks because its singleshot and named vraks

[gusty bison]

A9 i think can hit all V7 BPs

But u need to hit the double tap

It also has better boss dps

But once again like

Its nice stats on paper, absurdly hard to put into practice

[near shore]

so just did the mark 3, close range, all headshot,crit and it didnt kill a gunner

[gusty bison]

Ya need deadly accurate on all the headhunters

Like

Thats the main source of its damage

[bitter turtle]

Eh

[gusty bison]

V3 however notably benefits a lot less from crits and headshots

Cos it has a worse finesse

[near shore]

ya, ia gree

[bitter turtle]

I saw someone running opening salvo instead of deadly accurate and could forego unarmored because of that

on v7

which... works

I guess

though i dont really see the point

[gusty bison]

OS?

Urgh

Yea i dont see the point

[near shore]

thats gonna be a no from me

[bitter turtle]

yeah oneshot

i mean like

[torn moat]

So V3 benefits best from Headhunter + Deadly Acc for it's blessings?

[bitter turtle]

you basically cover the missing unarmored withw 20% from opening salvo

lol

but its just... like why

lol

the extra perk doesnt help you oneshot ragers and shit

[gusty bison]

Yea the perk is less important

[bitter turtle]

yes

[gusty bison]

Correcto

Deadly Acc is just so much damage on the table

[torn moat]

And Maniac + Flak for perks? Or Unarmored replaces one?

[bitter turtle]

and you play it basically as a more precise IAG

[gusty bison]

On vraks 3?

Maniac and uh

Whatever bps u need

[near shore]

stamina?

[gusty bison]

This

[near shore]

if u run deadshot with it extra stamina is nice

[gusty bison]

V3 doesnt quite suffer from the feast or famine syndrom that V7 has

[bitter turtle]

also

[gusty bison]

So feel free to hit bodyshots as needed

[bitter turtle]

you sure?

mine does

[near shore]

its possible i hit armor

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/4a0e6563dc79ea4b3f2d8e4dd878b593.jpg

no crit

oh wait

[near shore]

but it was all crits

[bitter turtle]

u mean reaper?

[near shore]

no

[gusty bison]

Headhunters pen through flak at 1.0x

So

[near shore]

lemme roll a better one

[tall torrent]

V3 is basically a low recoil IAG

[gusty bison]

Yep

[tall torrent]

But V3 ammo economy not that great

[gusty bison]

Well V3 also has worse headshots than an IAG

Which is funny

IAG shares the V7's 2.7x finesse

[bitter turtle]

weird

i dont even have unaromred on mine lol

mine is kinda jank because i ended up not liking v3 anyway

[near shore]

re-testing

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/ef89455197ef292c6a6d42b4ce0e9967.png

[near shore]

the fucker keeos staggering

[bitter turtle]

you have to drag down

your cursor to compensate for recoil

on v3

if you want precise

[tulip condor]

does it kill well?

[bitter turtle]

its just fairly forgiving even if you dont cause you can spam tho

lol

[gusty bison]

Frankly sometimes i meme that v3 is a bodyshot gun

[near shore]

not really

[tulip condor]

blrh

[near shore]

use mk 7

[gusty bison]

Used to be pre P13

But now headshots on V3 are the way

If u can hit them

But bodyshots are still ok

[torn moat]

What perks go best for the MkIV DClaw?

[near shore]

i use cleave and dmg upon hitting 3 opponets

[tulip condor]

woah

[torn moat]

Perks though?

[near shore]

eh i have stamina and crit

cause besides gunners and such, u arent smacking rager,bosses, crushers, or maulers u are gonna parry them

[fresh mango]

hows this knife?

[near shore]

CC knife?

[torn moat]

Replace Executor and Carapace Damage and it is a strong knife.

[bitter turtle]

probably want to switch executor

its

an

OK blessing but not very good

[fresh mango]

exe to what?

[bitter turtle]

precog is the best

mercy killer is also decent if you're willing to grab serrated

[torn moat]

Depends on your build... backstab can be good for stealth builds.

[bitter turtle]

riposte is also ok-ish kinda

[torn moat]

Mercy Killer/Back Stab/ Riposte are all good options

[umbral scaffold]

Riposte is funny to stack with reciprocity and desperado

[fresh mango]

This is a non stealth build

[near shore]

anti-boss and armor knife

1 shot crushers

[torn moat]

I'd trade Carapace for Unyielding damage for your perk. Though Carapace is a good one too... But Unyielding will give more mileage against bosses.

[near shore]

ive hit 16500 on a beast if nurgle before

[bitter turtle]

ruthless is kinda eh if you dont run stealth imo, personally

but i use uncanny so idk

[near shore]

its for 1 shottig crushers

[bitter turtle]

ya i getcha

its definitely better than uncanny if u consistently get behind

[near shore]

but other than that, ya uncaany is better

[low yacht]

To be honest flak is the most common.

[finite imp]

You talking about your dick stick again cotton

[near shore]

and i love rapidly hitting 10k on bosses

[low yacht]

Maniacs aren't too bad to kill.

[near shore]

this dick stick hit 16.5k

[finite imp]

quick post the blurry images of the nurgle beasts

lmao

[bitter turtle]

it oneshots most maniacs regardless of maniac roll

well

except ragers

[finite imp]

get shrekt

[low yacht]

But unyielding are hell to face.

[finite imp]

getting*

[near shore]

bruh im trying XD

[low yacht]

Unyielding targets take so long to take down.

[finite imp]

it looks like a guy with dreads moshing at a metal concert except he's taking 16k damage

[low yacht]

I hate reapers.

[tulip condor]

What kind of perks and blessing should it have?

[low yacht]

I can kill them but reapers are just better gunners.

[near shore]

huh? they should go down quickly tho

[bitter turtle]

uncanny + precog/mercy killer/riposte in that order of good-ness imo

you can do ruthless backstab if you want the meme like cotton's though

[low yacht]

When you are running auric.

Not so much

[bitter turtle]

its better if you consistently get behind targets

for beeg dmg

but

uncanny better for general use

[placid portal]

Reapers do be big shooty

[near shore]

im running auric, what are ya using?

[low yacht]

Auric reapers hurt.

[tulip condor]

Is there a knife/plasma build that uses stealth?

[finite imp]

i run Knife + DnB

[bitter turtle]

knife/plasma is not a very good combo imo

plasma needs a melee that is good at chaff

[tulip condor]

Yeah, something that can work if used right in Auric mission

[bitter turtle]

knife is not good at killing chaff

[low yacht]

I'm running dueling on psyker with Block and Flak.

[low yacht]

Usually

[near shore]

ah,psyker

[umbral scaffold]

Riposte with mercy killer is funny for bosses

[near shore]

that explains it

[tulip condor]

sorry, chaff?

[finite imp]

Chaff

[bitter turtle]

chaff

trash enemies

[placid portal]

Unyielding + Crits make almost a 1 tap bp

[bitter turtle]

hordes

[tulip condor]

ah

[bitter turtle]

plasma does not want to shoot at hordes

so you want a melee that does it

[finite imp]

or just use a good gun

[bitter turtle]

swap to plasma since it swaps pretty quickly actually, every time you need to delite an elite

[near shore]

oh ya, if i crit it would die lol

[finite imp]

but it's up to the player

[bitter turtle]

then go back to melee horde

which

knife does not do well

[raw steppe]

Dclaw and ps work well with plasma

[low yacht]

The shovel vs horde isn't bad.

[bitter turtle]

i mean u can run it if you like

[placid portal]

Gotta use that 10% Crit on reload + deadshot for reliable crits

[bitter turtle]

knife+plasma i mean

[placid portal]

[bitter turtle]

just its not much synergy

[low yacht]

Especially the one added during the traitors curse.

[near shore]

i dont run crits on my slug

i have the bukid tho

[low yacht]

Krieg builds are very viable.

[placid portal]

Crit slugs are fun

[tall torrent]

I’m trying DC7 rn

It’s alright

[bitter turtle]

the only thing i dont like about the new shovels

tbh

is that they feel like worse version of psword

lol

[placid portal]

Claw 7 Push attack light combo is hella fun

[bitter turtle]

not that they're bad

[near shore]

oh for sure, but this is a close range weapon specalist bulid, slugs for insta kill and swap back to melee

[bitter turtle]

but they feel similarly like all rounder weapons

[tall torrent]

DC7 has prob some of the most complex combos in the game

[placid portal]

meh

[tall torrent]

It’s taking me some getting used to

[placid portal]

light 3 is overhead

[umbral scaffold]

All I care about dc7 is that it doesn't have a strike h1

And that's haraam

[tall torrent]

But it has 3 strikedown atks

H2
L3
Push ATK

[tulip condor]

I made a shovel/braced autogun build in the "bullet Bois". I like using that. I don't know metas/breaking points can any of you tell me what ya think?

[near shore]

To be fair Dclaw is light enough to not have to shove often if you have to

But it's definitely useful

[near shore]

You see,the game isn't about weapons but skill,use as you like

[tall torrent]

Push ATK is useful for singling out enemies in horde on DC4 / DC7

[near shore]

Like the revolvers viability is entirely based on your performance

[sonic marlin]

pretty good right

[near shore]

Not bad

Shoot for higher stopping power tho

[tall torrent]

If you’re running braced autoguns breakpoints don’t matter much

And for shovel it depends on which mark

[umbral scaffold]

I wish we had a dclaw with strike heavies and horizontal lights

[near shore]

We do?

[tall torrent]

Low stopping power

[sonic marlin]

what does it do

[umbral scaffold]

Kinda like Kruber's mace I suppose

[near shore]

Dmg vs armor

[umbral scaffold]

We don't

[tall torrent]

Increase dmg against maniac, flak, carapace & unyielding as well as stagger

[near shore]

The Dclaw I use has a top down heavy, followed by a heavy sweep

[sonic marlin]

wish it had rank 4 dumdum so i can at least salvage it

[umbral scaffold]

Exactly

We don't

[near shore]

Oh, you want all top down heavy?

[umbral scaffold]

It's either mixed or the mk1

Gives me a sleeby

[tulip condor]

Mk7 shovel

[tall torrent]

I think he means the Mk13g chainsword equivalent in DC family

[tall torrent]

If u rly care abt it, crusher 1 shot? But that’s abt it

[umbral scaffold]

Or the mk15 eviscerator, whichever comes first

[tall torrent]

This is good enough

[tulip condor]

Well I melt everything with my braced, VoC for buff/cc, Shredder for Elites/special/horde, Use shovel while crusher squad are stagged from being staggered from nades/VoC

[round jetty]

cool my game crashed right at the end of a auric maelstrom damnation mission

👍

[tulip condor]

Ive been seeing that

[near shore]

Tragic

[tulip condor]

Waited a few mins just to see if they'd come back

[round jetty]

thats 700 plasteel ill never get back

wait i reconnected

[umbral scaffold]

It was a test

I was testing you with it

The test was meant to test you

It was testing your reaction to the test

[round jetty]

trulky

truly*

[crude ermine]

#1 psyker hater why are you the #1 psyker hater

[muted prairie]

hey lads, any good melee alternatives to the power sword? i tried the catachans but it felt like all they could kill was poxwalkers. anything for mixed hordes, or is psword the way to go?

[torpid sundial]

Chainsword

Light attack spam

Everything in front of you dies (but carapace)

[round jetty]

cause psyker players are 1. brain dead
2. dont know when/how to use their abilities
or 3. god at the game

more negatives than positives

[muted prairie]

oh that's right yea i do have a good chainsword. any of the other weapons worth trying?

[round jetty]

[tulip condor]

oooOOO I made one recently with a shovel. Check the thread

[muted prairie]

based, witches should be shot on sight

[round jetty]

[torpid sundial]

Shovels are good too yes

All rounder weaps

[tulip condor]

That's Why I still run slaughter instead of Brutal Momentum

[muted prairie]

now i was under the impression that shovels are only good for staggering, not so good at the actual horde killing, is that wrong?

[placid portal]

Shovel standard Issue is pretty good at managing and even pushing through a hoarde

[round jetty]

kind of ass at crowd control but there is definitely worse

shovel does its job though

[tulip condor]

It wont melt them like a devil claw or chain sword but it still fucks them up

[placid portal]

I'd say you can split hoardes like splitting the red sea and push through if needed

[muted prairie]

so realistically, is psword with bromentum and cycler 4 just the best melee?

i wanna spice stuff up, but i just feel like i'm picking worse weapons for fun

[placid portal]

Chain axe mk4

fun stuff

[near shore]

nah, Psword needs u to charge it so downtime

[tulip condor]

PS sword is the best for almost everything. Using it is like easy mode. Other melee are also really good. Best way to put is it's a different fighting style than what you might be used to.

[tulip condor]

that downtime is just timing

[light ore]

i generally think rashad is better than ps

[near shore]

ik, but it also sucks with dodges

[tall torrent]

Top tier at the very least

[tulip condor]

you litarally swing away, shove, if you need, charge and swing away

[light ore]

power sword's thing is that it's kinda unsafe

it doesn't matter if you know what you're doing

[tulip condor]

can literally turtle in a corner and everything will eventually die

[finite imp]

Knife

[muted prairie]

i think i'll try building a rashad, see how that goes

thanks lads

[finite imp]

Cocaine build + knife

+9 stamina with trench fighter

[light ore]

i'd put knife as #3

good weapon to learn too

[muted prairie]

i'm a knife enjoyer when i zealot but i couldn't make knife work on shootyman, what's the trick?

[finite imp]

That's pretty generous of you

[tall torrent]

Top 5 are prob
Power Sword 6
Rashad
DC7
DC4
Knife

[finite imp]

Most people around here can't understand the beauty of the knife

[near shore]

im gonna whip out the img agian

[finite imp]

They don't understand it's potential

It's ok

[light ore]

dueling sword 4 might be above knife

[finite imp]

15k damage one hit

[near shore]

ya thats the lower one

[finite imp]

Jesus

[near shore]

i think i could hit 20k

but i would have to be really fast

[muted prairie]

so i was trying knife 6, should i have gotten a knife 3?

[near shore]

i could add 25% more but it only last 5 sec

[umbral scaffold]

Reciprocity, desperado, trench fighter, precision strikes, both melee damage nodes, at least one stamina regen delay, weapon specialist and a decent gun

[tall torrent]

Specifically for veteran

[light ore]

positioning mostly

[near shore]

my shotgun bulid would work with it

[umbral scaffold]

AKA a normal melee build but with knife

[light ore]

knife lets you be anywhere on the map

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword 4 is just built differently that thing goes hard

[near shore]

wait

[finite imp]

Simple. You have to snort massive amounts of cocaine and basically never stop moving

[tall torrent]

I actually want duelling sword on veteran

It’s so fun

[muted prairie]

for sheer horde clear tho, psword kills faster eh?

[near shore]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b25dd18-2580-4558-b0bf-12d32b70aba3/avg-london-exp?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[light ore]

so if you know where to be on the map to stay alive, you never die

[near shore]

My knife build

[muted prairie]

knife's got that mobility, but surely it can't kill poxers like the sword?

[finite imp]

Debatable since you have to keep activating psword

[tall torrent]

For sheer horde clear
Power sword 6 and Rashad best
Rashad debatably even better than PS6

[light ore]

you can kinda just ignore pox walkers on knife

[muted prairie]

i like to kill pox hordes cuz making them go squish activates my neurons

[light ore]

just dance around/through them taking out priority targets

[finite imp]

Knife changes so many game dynamics you're basically playing a rhythm game

[light ore]

then kill the poxwalkers at your leisure

[near shore]

That build link is what hit 16k

[finite imp]

In a fight you NEVER stop flying

[light ore]

the only thing you really have to look out in my experience is bruisers

clumps of bruisers can give you trouble

[muted prairie]

hmm usually i kill priorities with the plasma and poxers die by accident

[light ore]

cause they don't stagger or go down as easy

[finite imp]

Knife isn't meta like these fuckin nerds are talking about but knife is fucking FUN

[light ore]

and they hit REALLY hard

[finite imp]

Put on your favorite drum and bass song and go nuts

[muted prairie]

i respect that, should i change my knife 6 to a knife 3? or is knife 6 good?

[light ore]

so if you're not paying attention you sometimes get clapped out of nowhere

[finite imp]

Both knifes are great I play both

[frank ether]

they look like garbage mobs too which is the funny part

really different to identify them in a horde

[light ore]

yeah

like, suprisingly hard

[frank ether]

like they just look like different colored poxwalker to me

[muted prairie]

this is a solid knife 6 right?

[light ore]

"it's just trash, i don't have to respect them"

"why is my toughness gone"

[finite imp]

That's a decent knife but I'd change the perks to flak and maniac

[muted prairie]

not crit eh? alright noted

[bitter turtle]

wseak spot damage is kinda bad

[finite imp]

10 percent isn't going to give you much when you're already one shotting most things where it would even matter

[bitter turtle]

also flesh tearer is kinda bad tbh

[muted prairie]

that's why i spam ping and shoot at the dudes the glow, too much goin on for my smooth brain

[finite imp]

With knives you ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS run uncanny strike unless you're doing something specific

Like cottons boss killer

[light ore]

bruisers don't ping

[near shore]

yes, that is 17000

17736 it looks like

[finite imp]

Goofy ahh damage

[muted prairie]

oooooh rending okay yeah that makes sense

[near shore]

with 8k from the ticks

[finite imp]

Also for knives mobility is your dump stat but never go below 50

[finite imp]

Or you'll lose a dodge

[light ore]

these are bruisers

fear them

[muted prairie]

oh i did a stupid i was thinking maulers lmao

[finite imp]

Or just heavy them in the head

[near shore]

i just 3 hit a beast of nurgle, with melee on a vet XD

[muted prairie]

so many enemy names that are basically just "smacker" lmao

[finite imp]

Even shitty knives one shot bruisers with a heavy to the face

[muted prairie]

bruiser, mauler, crusher

[fresh grail]

this fucker taking half my health cause my toughness got dropped from a bomber 😤

[tall torrent]

I think it’s 51?

[finite imp]

Is it?

[tall torrent]

U need at least 51 mobility to get max dodges on weapons

[finite imp]

Fuckin numbers cat

[near shore]

eh just shoot for 55-60 mobility

[light ore]

i mean, is it the difference between 5 dodges and 6?

[finite imp]

Agreed

[light ore]

don't think that extra dodge is making much of a difference

[tall torrent]

For knife less sure

[light ore]

5 is plenty

[tall torrent]

I know for other weapons like combat axe u need 51 mobility minimum

[finite imp]

Regardless you're going to be dodging like crazy

[tall torrent]

Knife can’t get 6 dodges iirc?

Cuz it’s 4~6

[finite imp]

And if you get good enough at dodging you can run riposte

[light ore]

it says that's the maximum on the stats sheet yeah

[tall torrent]

6 being supposedly 100%

[finite imp]

And you'll just crit for eternity

[light ore]

like, 80% 100%, or 100% 100%?

are we waiting for red knives for that sweet final dodge

[tall torrent]

Knife having 6 dodges requires 100% mobility (currently 80% max)

[finite imp]

Lol

[light ore]

one day

[finite imp]

I don't even need a red knife idk how it could get any better

Will it do my taxes

[muted prairie]

i hope that the obese fish one day reveals to us why our weapons CAP OUT AT 80 INSTEAD OF 100 AAAAAAAAAAAA

[finite imp]

Red weapons

Probs

Red weapons are going to mean the entire weapons table needs to be rebalanced probs

[neat stratus]

From melk I think I'd want better right?

[near shore]

12668 dmg lol

[finite imp]

It's like trail cam footage

Lmao

[near shore]

its cause the stim

[muted prairie]

i don't buy from the milkman unless it's got at least a tier 4 subtrait i want

[finite imp]

Trail cam footage of cotton doing 17k damage into an AI art generator

[near shore]

lmaoo

[finite imp]

Fucking crackheads sneaking onto my property with knives in the middle of the knight, doing drugs and damage maxxing on my livestock

[near shore]

huh.....

the livestock has evolved

[finite imp]

Imagine if visible numbers actually popped up Everytime you hit something irl. That would deff become a sport

[neat stratus]

"Who can make the biggest number"

[finite imp]

Boxes matches would be interesting

But they would be like a million low damage hits

[muted prairie]

damn yall thinkin like normal people, i was thinkin what hiroshima woulda looked like

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/daigo-parry-fight-kick-video-game-gif-16522181

[neat stratus]

Imagine slap fights

[finite imp]

Now we have to determine

How much HP does the average person have

[near shore]

power sword

[muted prairie]

here's the question, does a poke do 1 damage? and if so, how many pokes to kill a man?

[neat stratus]

Probably no more than 700

[near shore]

false

humans either have 1hp or 1000000

actually, 100hp but suffer from "life can crit"

[tall torrent]

Which weapon and which poke atk

[muted prairie]

humans survive falls from planes and die to falls from the bathtub

[near shore]

exactly

we suffer from "life can crit" debuff

[muted prairie]

human finger, poking hard enough to annoy a person

[tall torrent]

Like, avg player health? Or avg human sized enemy health

[torn moat]

Going to try a knife build. Anyone have a good Melee Specialist tree they recommend?

[finite imp]

Imagine youre waiting for your roomie to get out of the shower and your hear a slip and then a sharp hit marker noise

[tall torrent]

Well knife’s punch does like 6 dmg

[near shore]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b25dd18-2580-4558-b0bf-12d32b70aba3/avg-london-exp?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[torn moat]

That is not a Melee Specialist tree.

[finite imp]

Detectives could just check the kill feed to solve murders

[tall torrent]

So it would take roughly 104 punches to the head to kill a dreg bruiser in damnation

[near shore]

oh u mean wepon specalist?

[torn moat]

Yeah.

[near shore]

ive got one

[muted prairie]

aight i'm off to do weapons testing against heretics, yall have a good time with your hp philosophy

[finite imp]

Weapon specialist goes hard

[placid portal]

fun keystone

[near shore]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b25df89-e58d-4bb0-ade6-7e1d916b6411/cqc-specialist?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[low yacht]

Why would we need a rating when they are thieves and vagabonds?

I mean we have veteran.

That can easily be trained to be marksman with a sniper rifle.

[near shore]

I think humans have 100hp with % chance to DR

[placid portal]

ratlings do be very stealthy and can infiltrate well since they are tiny

fit in pocket

[torn moat]

Hmm... I was looking to try an Infilitrate + Weapon Specialist build.

[near shore]

There's purple orks in darktide

[near shore]

Trust me,it's good

[placid portal]

[near shore]

I use it in auric malstrom

[placid portal]

Dear god.....

[finite imp]

Sneaky gits

[low yacht]

Ratlings are known to stay out of harms way, and are sneaky little guys.

[near shore]

It's true!

[placid portal]

ORK INFESTATION IN DARKTIDE CONFIRMED?!?!?!!

[near shore]

I swear I hear em!

[finite imp]

Wait are ratlings even in 40k?

[low yacht]

Them being thieves make them good at sneaking at heretics.

[placid portal]

ye

[near shore]

What's funny,is that you can't prove me wrong

[finite imp]

I had no idea

[light ore]

i would take Reciprocity over Close Quarters Killzone

[low yacht]

Yes ratlings are halfling dead shots.

[placid portal]

not skaven but the halfing off brand ratlings yes

[light ore]

25% crit with excellent uptime

[near shore]

That's fair

[earnest lotus]

They would add new enemies while not fixing their shit spawns

[finite imp]

Yeah watch there be like 17 gigs of purple orc models and you open them up in blender and there's nothing there

[placid portal]

you also gain reciprocity stacks on dodging ranged which is fun

[near shore]

Lmaoooo just a purple loin cloth on the ground

[hard briar]

Nude orkz

[low yacht]

Disgusting

[near shore]

Clap clap clap,sah I'm trying to be quiet and sneak up on the humes

[low yacht]

Ogryns are meant to be wholesome idiots.

Where is the damn commisars when you need them.

[near shore]

Lmao

[finite imp]

are there any ogryn characters featured in any 40k books

[low yacht]

Nurgle is a fat piece of shit.

No wonder.

[near shore]

Love Papa nurgle

[spark helm]

I'm good on that tbh. Recently did learn more about some nurgle stuff though. That's fun and interesting.

[near shore]

I'm angry

My chemistry work went "wrong" because I didn't capitalize L

I took a L from the L

[low yacht]

Skill issue?

[near shore]

Unfortunately

[spark helm]

Orgo?

[tiny summit]

Maximum toughness gen

[near shore]

mild concern

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-business-gif-13484994

"Sunrise, are you okay? You're sweating."

"I need to go hadron some knives..."

[tiny summit]

I'll bring a knife

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-dancing-patrick-bateman-gif-16140074

HEY PAUL

backstabs him for 17.9k

[near shore]

lmaoooo

[finite imp]

Patrick...is that a... is that a damage stim?
Why YES paul it IS

[tiny summit]

Real one. I'm not going 2 points for catch a breath

[near shore]

head hunter value

LMAO

[finite imp]

that's a mk7 right

[near shore]

first one yes

second is mk 3

[finite imp]

see this is what i mean when i say

if you build a headhunter right

its like a 20 round revolver

[jaunty tinsel]

Think they'll ever give flamer to Veteran? Guardsmen are able to use them in the rest of the setting.

[terse idol]

Zel has that already

And we have little synergy even with a shotgun

Let alone the flamer

[trim steppe]

They have one, its the kantael shotty lol

[finite imp]

lelel

[pulsar radish]

Tbf I just want a hellgun

Or a power fist

[jaunty tinsel]

So do I, but figured I'd ask about the flamer. even if it'd be just as useful as the shotty, it's more just a question for the flavor

[near shore]

yall ever just

[near shore]

look at this shit lmao

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-yikes-bigoofyikes-monster-gif-27456558

[near shore]

no buffs

[finite imp]

goofy ahh gun

what blessings

[near shore]

testing it on beast now

[spark helm]

waiting on the american psycho vet chat shovel card bit

[near shore]

we do a little tom foolery

nothing but distance based buffs

mk7 cracked out

cracked out bolter

[near shore]

9k on a bolter hit

8k then 9k

bayo stabbing

agri revolver

zarona revolver

[crude ermine]

Seems zarona does the most damage due to its crits

[near shore]

nope

shotgun

and it could be higher

[near shore]

8 shots to kill it

trying to get a crit slug

weakspot slug, no crit

[near shore]

enjoy a 17000 dmg crit slug

[crude ermine]

Wow

[near shore]

behold!!!

fear my shotgun!!

[tiny summit]

going into auric maelstrom with vape build

[cerulean void]

I can make the blessings what ever I want

[near shore]

meme bulid?

[cerulean void]

it's dumb but fun

[near shore]

check this

[cerulean void]

pair it with an infil and knife

[near shore]

we should run a squad of this

[near shore]

:3

[fleet garden]

so when news/new patch?

[vernal harbor]

If you find out let us know

[fleet garden]

🫠

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/offer-nice-egg-tryin-time-danny-devito-gif-5352739

[near shore]

ugh randos

[olive vine]

Bit of a vague question. Whats one of the best builds out right now ?

[near shore]

what u lookin to do

[near shore]

depends onn what u wanna do, scroll up and youll see most things can be nuts

[olive vine]

Honestly. Lucius pattern lasgun build.

Or just a regular lasgun build

[earnest lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-missed-part-where-thats-my-problem-gif-18535010

[near shore]

ight one sec

[olive vine]

Dm if possible

Im about to hit the sack

[cerulean void]

I'd love to haha

there too much difference between the 4% of uncanny 3 and 4?

[near shore]

got it

ill dm now

[near shore]

4% total or 4% per stack more?

[fleet garden]

columnus mk5 with a power sword if you have pc4 but any melee can work

plasma with anything aswell is easy to play aswell

[zealous wyvern]

image of heavy lasgun

[junior needle]

T3 vs t4 is like having a whole extra stack

100 rending vs 130

[bitter turtle]

there is a difference if you miss a bp beccause of it

like my mk3 shovel

just barely doesnt kill mutant in one heavy special if i have t3 uncanny

on bodyshot

[near shore]

yall ever wonder what weapon can hit the hardest? think i got the answer above

[bitter turtle]

stealth perfectionist thammer zealot

probably

lul

[near shore]

oh, imean on vet

but ya,zealot for sure

i got my shotgun to hit 17000

[serene sage]

are those called las canons?

[zealous wyvern]

no

thats just a heavy lasgun

i imagine they might also go by las cannon?

huh apparently las cannons are smaller than heavy lasguns

from what i find online, las cannons are kinda as big as hotshots

a little bigger but not much

used by space marines

and militarum as well but i dont see ANY imagery so idk

[timid crow]

It is a Lascannon yes. They're typically mounted on vehicles or carried by heavy weapon teams.

[placid portal]

As they say, Size isn't every thing

[timid crow]

Looks like it's been kitbashed to look more like an anti-tank gun emplacement

[native furnace]

If you haven't played a Lucious MK II build just to bayonette things to death, you've missed out on some of the most fun in the game. 😛

[zealous wyvern]

this is so weird

i cant find it online basically

the only thing i consistently find is "heavy weapons team"

and you can clearly see one being a lasgun

ok no thats true

space marines just make them look so small lmao

i got bamboozled

[timid crow]

they're also mounted on stuff like dreadnoughts, land raiders, leman russes

[zealous wyvern]

so heavy lasguns and lascannons are the same thing

and no militarum guy carries them around

[timid crow]

Yeah Space Marines are massive. Takes 2 regular guardsmen to carry them around and use them.

[zealous wyvern]

just mount it on vehicles and wheels/ground emplacement

reason im bringing this here was i needed a pic to show someone that there is no way some random soldier is gonna carry this around alone

and shoot it while standing

after they stopped trying to tell me heavy stubbers would be used by a trooper in that manner

[timid crow]

Sergeant Harker maybe. Here he is one-manning a heavy bolter

but generally yeah it's a 2-person job

[zealous wyvern]

krieg using heavy bolter

i can only see named heroes using this kind of weapon alone

[timid crow]

Pretty much

[zealous wyvern]

cultists can tho

pretty funny

chaos and genestealer cultists can use them alone

at least certain troops. i dont know who didnt bother checking but i saw some

what the hell is a heavy lascannon then?

how big is this?

if a lascannon is a mounted heavy-weapons-team-of-2 beast

what is a heavy lascannon

[terse idol]

Pretty big

[timid crow]

Ah, I was wrong. A heavy lascannon is for the Field Ordinance Battery
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Field_Ordnance_Battery

[rain badger]

Why are zealot players the most toxic players in this game? Does it really draw the smoothbrains to that class?

[terse idol]

And heavy

[timid crow]

So an even bigger Heavy Weapons Team basically

[terse idol]

Well they're basically plasma field guns from a quick search

[zealous wyvern]

if i HAD to find a reason for this claim, which i doubt is completely true, it would be the following

when playing zealot, the game drives you forward and towards more killing the whole time

the entire time

you usually also have less ranged options to take care of shooters

it brings you into a very harsh mindset and its easy to look around for ppl to blame or feel let down by your team

[cerulean void]

wooooo Melk brought me a Man Stopper shotgun ❤️

[jaunty tinsel]

Does crouching do anything for damage, or is it purely just my own guardsman placebo?

[zealous wyvern]

placebo

it does help with recoil someone said

[jaunty tinsel]

Thought so, thanks.

[zealous wyvern]

your teams too slow? you feel alone
too many shooters staying alive? you feel alone

so you got this fueled-by-blood melee berserker class and you expect them to stay calm?

zealot is all about finding the flow

and if your teammate does anything to interrupt that flow, it can be very irritating

[serene sage]

https://youtu.be/krp63Vw1N4I?si=rg-Ae_pKZSydNWzy&t=393

[zealous wyvern]

which leads some people to go toxic mode

[timid crow]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Solex_Heavy_Lascannon

[serene sage]

probably the las canons see in this trailer

like the massive planetary defense guns

[zealous wyvern]

OH

that

no

this is a heavy lascannon

instead of just having 2 wheels and 2 guys

[native furnace]

If you for some reason have Marksman's Focus keystone with Camoflage improving it, you're gaining a stack of focus every .75 seconds when standing still, or walking when crouched. If you are getting more stacks of Marksman's Focus, you'll be getting more Ranged Finesse Power, which is actually straight-up crit and headshot damage. Disclaimer: I am not suggesting that build, just noting it exists.

[zealous wyvern]

its artillery

lasgun -> infantry rifle
lascannon/heavy lasgun -> heavy weapons team of 2
heavy lascannon -> artillery with 3 staff

what you see in the video is probably a planeteray lasturret or whatever they call it

i doubt its just called heavy lascannon since that seems to be an actual thing here

its bullet counterpart seems to be the bombast field gun which shoots shells instead of las bolts

this shows both with their differences

man the guard is complicated

i will rest now. stay alert soldiers

Emperor protects

[serene sage]

how does las as in artilery piece work

[zealous wyvern]

its a BIG las gun

BIG

big enough to shred armoured vehicles

[serene sage]

like i imagine las bolts aren't affected aren't affected by gravity

[zealous wyvern]

does artillery need to have an arch?

if so, i used the wrong term

[serene sage]

I mean if you don't you will need a line of sight of the target

[zealous wyvern]

"large-calibre guns used in warfare on land." google definition

[serene sage]

if you want to go straight line

[zealous wyvern]

yeah

seems like that

[serene sage]

yeah, that means they can shoot back

[zealous wyvern]

artillery can require line of sight according to this

thats why it has a shield

[serene sage]

defeating the point of artilery

[zealous wyvern]

does it?

[hollow ibex]

76mm field guns: are we a joke to you

[zealous wyvern]

"Artillery are ranged weapons that launch munitions far beyond the range and power of infantry firearms"

artillery literally just means big gun basically

[hollow ibex]

doesn't even have to be big

[zealous wyvern]

so the enemy shooting back at you does not defeat the point at all

[hollow ibex]

a knee mortar is artillery technically

grenade launchers can be used as artillery too

[zealous wyvern]

interesting

so any heavy weapons teams are artillery?

[terse idol]

It does help against like shrapnel

ALSO

Field guns have a shield because sometimes SEEMINGLY they are used in ambush/defensive positions

So they might take small arms fire

[zealous wyvern]

are you sure grenade launchers count as artillery? according to definition, if its an infantry weapon it cant be artillery

i mean big grenade launchers would count i guess?

[hollow ibex]

they technically aren't, but they are definitely used as artillery

[zealous wyvern]

mortars do

[hollow ibex]

automatic grenade launchers that is

[zealous wyvern]

what does "as artillery" mean

[terse idol]

I can see a lascannon being used in defensive positions vs heavier tanks

Heretic lemon russ

[hollow ibex]

long-range indirect fire

like how you'd use mortars

well relatively long-range

[zealous wyvern]

indirect has nothing to do with it being artillery or not

altho it is common

since an arch usually makes the weapon reach further

[hollow ibex]

unless we're talking about missile and shit, weapons that are used as indirect fire are typically classified as artillery in one form or another

[zealous wyvern]

but if a weapon doesnt require an arch it can still be artillery and a thrown grenade has an arch while not being artillery

well yeah

but not because they have an arch

thats just a biproduct of their REAL purpose

long range and big dmg

[hollow ibex]

the purpose of the weapon determines whether it's artillery