veteran-class

[zealous wyvern]

""submachine gun" usually refers to magazine-fed, fully automatic carbines designed to fire pistol cartridges"

aha i was right

its a carbine

[sharp ember]

yeah just a shortened rifle for lighter weight and portability

[zealous wyvern]

submachine guns are automatic carbines

with pistol rounds

[finite imp]

my diet dont do carbs

[zealous wyvern]

small caliber

[umbral scaffold]

I do that sometimes. I only wish rock was at the middle 😔

[spice wadi]

the columnus is p much a carbine

[sharp ember]

i’d say so

[zealous wyvern]

machine pistols meanwhile are not carbines

they are handguns

just automatic

[spice wadi]

SMGs came about as a cold war thing

[finite imp]

what about feetguns

[zealous wyvern]

i was right yippie

i did a laymans guess

[tiny summit]

40k mp40

[spice wadi]

u would have to go play bayonetta

[tiny summit]

Mp41k

[zealous wyvern]

going by what i just learnt then

the columnus WOULD be a carbine

if it fired pistol rounds

[sharp ember]

that being said, the shredder autopistol is definitely more like a 40k mac-10 than an automatic pistol

[zealous wyvern]

but i think it fires bigger caliber

[sharp ember]

unless mac 10s are considered pistols

[zealous wyvern]

im pretty sure this is a machine pistol

it looks like a handgun and fires pistol rounds right?

[spice wadi]

idk about calibers cos the revolver

kills the same as a bolter

[terse idol]

There are 40k ganger Mac 10s

[zealous wyvern]

its a stub revolver

[tiny summit]

They are

[zealous wyvern]

its a big caliber

mac10 is a machine pistol yeah

[mossy hollow]

help how to do resupply allies pennance

[zealous wyvern]

is it bugged again?

oh no

is that the one with the ammo aura?

[abstract moth]

What I thought they fixed it

[abstract moth]

Yes

[mossy hollow]

i dont know im stupid

[zealous wyvern]

if it works as intended, youre just supposed to stay in coherency and whenever your team kills specials or elites, everyone gets ammo back

so just

group up

youll get it passively

[tiny summit]

Shouldn't be bugged unless they broke the base version

[zealous wyvern]

its easy

if its not broken again

just make sure you bring survivalist aura

[mossy hollow]

ok thank you

[zealous wyvern]

if you bring speed or dmg aura, this wont happen

you need the ammo refill aura up

[mossy hollow]

my brain no work no good

[zealous wyvern]

a simple mind is a loyal one

go forth and kill for Him

[sharp ember]

i think they fixed the unupgraded version a while ago

i hope

[tiny summit]

They did

[abstract moth]

I remember they fixed it with the last update then idk

[zealous wyvern]

i assume soda is not level 1

so probably can get the aura

[tiny summit]

I started playing when the class overhaul happened. Got the penance like the next few games when it was fixed

Also back to gun terminology, afaik US legalese can have an AK w/ 7.62m be considered a pistol if the overall length is small enough

[abstract moth]

The thing was bugged when the new subclasses were implemented then they fix it after a bit

[sharp ember]

pistolized AK

i think payday 2 had one

[zealous wyvern]

you mean this one?

i dont remember its name in pd2

[abstract moth]

Yes this was in payday 2

[zealous wyvern]

there were like 5 AKs in pd2 it was funny

krinkov

[abstract moth]

Wish payday 3 was a bit like 2

[zealous wyvern]

yeah

[tiny summit]

Like working?

[zealous wyvern]

fun

[abstract moth]

Indeed

[tiny summit]

Some reason the AK pistol image I'm trying to share is taking an eternity

Listed as "AK pistol"

There we go

Pistol

[spice wadi]

is this 'more shit the ATF says;

'

[tiny summit]

Pistol

[zealous wyvern]

thats a pistol?!

damn

[tiny summit]

Pistol

[spice wadi]

is this the thing with those jokes where someone posts the same gun but without a pistol grip

and goes

'now it is legal'

[tiny summit]

Ooh wait I was wrong on that one. That does say "pistol carbine"

[zealous wyvern]

that would be a machine pistol then

[tiny summit]

This is a legal pistol

[tiny summit]

If it was automatic

[zealous wyvern]

isnt it?

[tiny summit]

The guns I posted aren't automatic

[abstract moth]

Yeah automatic guns are illegal " basically "

[sharp ember]

firearm naming conventions are silly

or classifications rather

[abstract moth]

Yes we should call a bazooka BIG MITTENS THROWER Is more cool

[spice wadi]

[sharp ember]

so how about that cover peek mechanic

does it make you feel safer

[zealous wyvern]

yes

and it gets rid of recoil

[spice wadi]

yes

[zealous wyvern]

you mount the gun on the cover

its amazing

[spice wadi]

it makes me feel very real guardsman guy

[zealous wyvern]

i love coverpeaking with a braced auto

it makes it accurate as hell

[abstract moth]

Not really, I just go anyways i started blasting or dodge sliding and timing the flash

[abstract moth]

Fr? Man all this time I played and haven't even noticed that

[sharp ember]

i don’t feel like it actually does, having tried it with an infantry autogun

not more than crouching in the open with one does

[abstract moth]

Oh so it doesn't

[zealous wyvern]

it does i swear

[crude fiber]

crouching helps with recoil a little

[sharp ember]

but specifically peeking over cover

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[sharp ember]

i mean it should, but i believe it doesn’t

[zealous wyvern]

when i mount my graia onto cover, i feel like im shooting a recon

[finite imp]

aw jesus that again

[zealous wyvern]

it does for me unless i am being a fool

[finite imp]

so embarassing

[zealous wyvern]

ive never seen anyone mention this so im surprised you say jesus

what

[sharp ember]

i’d double check your graia, the IAG has pretty comfy recoil

[finite imp]

there was a BUNCH of people with like 800 to 1k hours in here the other day

and they were like you can mount cover???

[wicked zenith]

I have 1k

[finite imp]

smh

[wicked zenith]

Cover is generally useless on some of the auric too much spam of mobs/specials

Not always but generally

[abstract moth]

So it ain't true right?

[sharp ember]

that’s fair, because it was added during patch 13 and old players wouldn’t notice if they never read it on the revamped class creation screen

[umbral scaffold]

Tbf 99% of the time it's not relevant anyway kek

[sharp ember]

due to already having characters

[abstract moth]

Yes that's why I don't use it at all

[umbral scaffold]

Same

Legit cannot remember a time where I was like

"I wish I can peek over this box"

[zealous wyvern]

it was added in 13?

[umbral scaffold]

It's still always "I'm getting shot up behind this box I better run"

[terse idol]

It really can depend on your build

[umbral scaffold]

[zealous wyvern]

huh

i thought it was always there

yeah its dumb that you get hit by bullets while behind cover

[sharp ember]

it’s nice for the rare event i need to use low cover because i play short vet

[zealous wyvern]

cover helps but not as much as it should

[sharp ember]

and i need the extra height to aim

[terse idol]

I mean this is about the Manlet guardsmen meta

[zealous wyvern]

i play max height

[terse idol]

Only Play the shortest height

[wicked zenith]

I found like 3 times in the last match to use it, mostly to pick of other gunners quickly and not to exposed to their spam. Most of the time due to the Director going, Oh you are looking X or Y way let's spawn abunch of Homeless Hobos and a trapper behind you, you can't really use it on Auric. It spawns mobs if you look any one direction more than about 3 seconds.

[terse idol]

Because you can use most cover

[sharp ember]

i do feel like shooters hit the top of your damn head behind cover

[umbral scaffold]

I wanna reroll to female gremlin veteran

Just cos it'll fit

Smallest toxic gremlin

The other voices don't fit being a manlet

😔

[sharp ember]

you know those metal barricades with firing slits found on maps? i theorize the optimal height to shoot out of them is 20%

[abstract moth]

I mean what's the point even? Like oh yeah I'm going to peek cover while I have already 2 snipers behind me the group of gunners in front and already hearing either a dog or trapper joining the party not to mention if there were any maulers or crushers already on the spot

[umbral scaffold]

Unless you're roleplaying as Tylerone -

[umbral scaffold]

Right? Lol

[crude fiber]

i picked the shortest option for my vet when the game first came out and the largest for everyone else cause it felt right, i still get shot when behind most cover lol

[umbral scaffold]

I legit cannot remember any point where I just wished I could peak

Even on classes that theoretically would find it advantageous to do so

I guess if it stabilized my gun I might?

But at the same time
Ehhhhh probably not

[wicked zenith]

No it just exposed you less.

[umbral scaffold]

Yup

[wicked zenith]

Useless vs snipers, but gunners it's meh. something

[umbral scaffold]

I'd rather just slide around

[crude fiber]

i can with shortest vet lol, its been helpful a handful of times

[sharp ember]

I can use most of them at certain angles with 25% height vet, it’s fun and feels safe

[crude fiber]

until a melee enemy phases through it to attack you lol

[umbral scaffold]

It's only fair

I phase through walls with my melee to punch Bulwarks all the time

[zealous wyvern]

i hate that those metal things cant be used as shooting slits

by anyone but short characters

i think your char should adapt their aim to its height when aiming near it

like the mounting on cover thing

but instead, you align it with the opening on the metal sheets

[umbral scaffold]

Just Fatshark jank

[abstract moth]

Yeah

[sharp ember]

short meta

[vernal harbor]

You can shoot through ogryns legs

[abstract moth]

Like we can no longer grab barrels

[sharp ember]

lugging a barrel around was the best

[crude fiber]

add a ratling character that can sit on ogryns shoulders

[abstract moth]

That would be dope

Imagine ultra abilities that synchronize with another player

Like you both use the ability then it locks in like a mechanism and the ogryn and ratling become a firing fortress for a few seconds and blast everything in sight

[pearl granite]

somehow the leaderboard mod forget I exists in the game...

[sharp ember]

only if instead of pouncing them poxhounds will grab ratlings by the scruff and take them away

muties too

[lime gyro]

Whats good XII build

Skill tree wise

[earnest lotus]

What tips do y'all have with the penace Overwatch?

[spice wadi]

it's so good you are missing out hugely

[earnest lotus]

I keep trying and I'll hang back, block melees but I always get one mf who bops me or I get pox hounded.

[spice wadi]

TRAXIS THINGY

[umbral scaffold]

Im using the male version of it kek

Which is still cool

But the gremlin veteran is way cuter and funnier

Same with the female psyker gremlin

[finite imp]

you can get hit once and take no hp damage

[umbral scaffold]

PUT THE KARKING BOOT IN

[umbral scaffold]

^

This

Oops sorry I pinged you by accident

[finite imp]

as long as your toughness is full

[umbral scaffold]

But yeah
As long as it does no hp damage you're fine

[finite imp]

a single bonk won't hurt

[umbral scaffold]

Also why you should use VoC with it

[finite imp]

rookie mistake im sure it won't happen again

[umbral scaffold]

Overhealed on toughness with a lot of the toughness damage reduction

Means you have a surprising amount of leeway

Just hold block a lot and you're like halfway to getting the penance already

[terse idol]

"SOMETHING SOMETHING... SNIPER!!!"

[finite imp]

SPAGHETTI

[terse idol]

When the loose cannon said "Mama mia" I felt that

[finite imp]

need mod to replace all elite callouts with luigi shouting SPAGHETII

[terse idol]

[finite imp]

SPA SPA SPAG SPAGHETTI SPA SPA SPAGHETTI

[inland orchid]

When the cutthroat said “it’s cadian time” and cadiaed all over the place I felt that emotionally

[earnest lotus]

Ahh

My ass thought toughness counted, I spent hours figuring out how to dodge almost everything.

[umbral scaffold]

I still love the part where one of them shits on Cadia

"Cadia this Cadia that. What happened to Cadia?"

[earnest lotus]

On the upside I mastered Revolver gunkata

[umbral scaffold]

"SHUT YOUR MOUTH."

"sooner or later you're gonna break. Just like Cadia."

[terse idol]

https://youtu.be/x2yx7gdPyB0?si=qy0fTXqW0G821JV7

[inland orchid]

Ya I love that line

[terse idol]

Yeah its uh

[umbral scaffold]

It's good practice that you do anyway.

[terse idol]

Its crazy how loose cannon is basically telling a 911 survivor to shove it

THE BLACK FORTRESS IS HITTING CADIAA!!

[earnest lotus]

My Cadia vet, wearing a "Cadia Stands!" Armor. 🧍

[umbral scaffold]

Hahaha Jesus Christ lmao

Laughed too hard

[terse idol]

[umbral scaffold]

But the analogy is apt

Darktide has some banger lines ngl

[zealous wyvern]

cadia mockery be like "why didnt you just shoot down the planes"

[umbral scaffold]

Although Vermintide 2 still has more stuff seared in my brain

TWO NULN REGIMENTS VANISHED WITHOUT A TRACE

[cerulean void]

STAIRS GO UP

[fresh grail]

"Hoggar's bridge? Elf? ELF!"

[sharp ember]

i like that chaos warriors talk mad shit depending on who you were playing

[zealous wyvern]

watch your guard sir
I FO- ahem thank you kruber

[terse idol]

"Sugmar bless this ravaged body"

[zealous wyvern]

your advice shall be heeded

[umbral scaffold]

Everytime I talk about vt2 I wanna play it again lmao

[sharp ember]

chaos warriors will overhead slam your teammate then point at you and go "YOU'RE NEXT, SOUTHLANDER"

[umbral scaffold]

ELF WENCH
I COME FOR YOU

Jk

[earnest lotus]

How I feel wearing my Cadia themed armor now after Smudgels comment.

[terse idol]

When the chaos knights through the "S*UTHLANDER"

[umbral scaffold]

Also amazing how it took so long before Crushers started doing the same.

[terse idol]

[umbral scaffold]

Remember the times when he'd do that

Then do the 360 overhead

Good stuff

[sharp ember]

yeah it seems they've been buffing the volume of crushers and maulers

[spice wadi]

they say a lot more things

[sharp ember]

OGRYN TOO TUFF

[umbral scaffold]

I still remember vt2 where chaos warriors love doing the little tiny power sprint walks

Or where they do 180/360 spins for the funnies

[zealous wyvern]

BREAKING NEWS: Cult of Nurgle facing charges after high-ranking "Chaos Warriors" were heard discriminating people on grounds of their origin

"The grandfather loves all his children" a priest commented in response

[umbral scaffold]

Cancelled

[finite imp]

chaos gone woke?

[zealous wyvern]

we all know tzeentch is progressive

but what about khorne and slaanesh

[earnest lotus]

That's the most Chaos thing Chaos could do is go woke.

[zealous wyvern]

well slaanesh has been about diversity and personal freedom since forever

[earnest lotus]

Khorne is definitely a "I hate you all equally" kind of guy

[zealous wyvern]

and khornites do state "it matters not from where the flood flows"

so they definitely have the high ground here

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly most of them probably r fine with it

[potent iris]

wtf chaos based???

[umbral scaffold]

Especially Slaanesh

[earnest lotus]

Slaanesh is behind all Pride Parades (the adult ones)

[umbral scaffold]

Slaanesh doesn't care as long as you enjoy it an obsessive amount

[finite imp]

We refer to the chaos infected as IT and I'm TIRED OF IT >:C

How dare you misgender those monstrocities

[earnest lotus]

Who invented the G string? Slaanesh for how overly sexual it is? Or the God Emperor to show the perfection of mankind?

[sharp ember]

the southlander shaker

[sharp ember]

people sleep on the flexibility of excess

excess pleasure ZZZZ

[zealous wyvern]

excess grind for more money

[sharp ember]

excess volume

excess firerate

[untold mulch]

Never enough dakka

[umbral scaffold]

That's the true danger of Slaanesh kek
Even just enjoying the daily grind gets you on his/her sights

"I love playing Darktide"

"oops I guess I summoned a keeper of secrets from how much I played it woopsie"

[sharp ember]

excess darktide

[umbral scaffold]

[earnest lotus]

There I am, 3am I look in the fridge and find donuts. I'm full but want snacky "just one wouldn't hurt" I eat it. Delicious. "Ah Kark it, one more" I grab the donut SUDDENLY I am executed by an Inquisitor whom planted the extra donut.

"Another Chaos agent executed"

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-exterminatus-inquisitor-headsmash-gif-20422853

[untold mulch]

Those with 3k hours

[slate sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-guard-cat-warhammer40k-gif-23254825

[lime gyro]

Fall of Cadia live helmet cam footage

[cedar pecan]

do I buy this or is the stability too low

actually nvm both perks kinda suck

[near shore]

i love how i can 1 shot crushers with this

[crude ermine]

Deadly accurate is nice

Even at 2

[zealous wyvern]

is it

you already oneshot everything with vraks 7

[near shore]

yes deadly acc lets me 2 tap reapers

[zealous wyvern]

well except ogryns

and mutants

and bosses

and ragers

[slate sleet]

you want max stability on every autogun ever

[near shore]

and armor

[zealous wyvern]

no

you oneshot armour

[inland orchid]

I’m envious that is a beaut of a chainaxe

[cedar pecan]

cleave targets is important on PS right?

[zealous wyvern]

except maulers

[near shore]

me looking at a maluler

[zealous wyvern]

but maulers have carapace

so you dont shoot the head

so this wont help

or does it actually make you two shot maulers on headshots?

[zealous wyvern]

i doubt that

[near shore]

with this, shoot maulers in the head

easy high crit dmg

lemme go test it for ya real quick

[terse idol]

Uh no you don't

[terse idol]

I'm gonna say the funny thing, but unless you have like 30 stability you can survive baseline 60

[near shore]

basically, this gives u a nice dmg buff and the choice to pop them in the head. youll also more get more close range kills, when u waint got the inc from distance going

[torpid sundial]

is shooting maulers and crushers in the body the same as shooting the head

But I assume weak spot hit damage applies so shooting the head is still better?

[near shore]

maulers have flak chest, carape head

crusher is all carpace

most weapons shouldnt shoot it, hints the chain axe on my marksman bulid

[torpid sundial]

so shooting the mauler chest usually has more damage right

[sharp moon]

whats some good cleave control melee weapon on vet?

[torpid sundial]

I just default to head for every gun 🤔

[umbral scaffold]

For a lot of weapons yes

If they don't have good armor penetration/rending, chest is better

[torpid sundial]

chainsword, catachan devil claw IV, power sword, shovels...

[umbral scaffold]

If they do, head is better

[torpid sundial]

a lot actually

[terse idol]

Well mauler chest is flak

[sharp ember]

you should be shooting maulers only in the chest unless you build your gun to deal superior carapace damage

[terse idol]

So yeah

[zealous wyvern]

good to hear. i happen to have this on my vraks since it got rolled with it

[terse idol]

Unless your weapon had some AP

Like a pgun

[umbral scaffold]

New shovel is good

[terse idol]

You're probably gonna be shooting chest

I still gotta test out revolver headshots on mauler doe

[tall torrent]

No, most weapons will have better performance hitting flak body over carapace head

[sharp moon]

oh, i forgot vet has shovel, dont know why i thought only my ogryn has it, will give it a try, thx .)

[torpid sundial]

guess I'll shoot mauler chests from now on but crusher heads still because of the weak spot talent

I can still two tap crushers with helbore 3

so thats nice

[terse idol]

Well, you could test headshots on maulers with that build

[torpid sundial]

honestly I usually dont see a difference

like when I test it with autoguns

shooting chest and heads for maulers and crushers are like

maybe 3-5 bullet difference

but its fine

I have the ogryn mindset of shoot things till dead I wont think too much into it

[balmy flume]

Finally beat the damend Twins on Heresy.
Have yet to do so in Damnation

[inland orchid]

We all gotta start somewhere pal, good job merking them

[torpid sundial]

I was able to hypercarry twins damnation with my bruiser ogryn

Had to solo most of the boss fight

It was pretty cancer

Won with 4 hp

My hands were shaking

[balmy flume]

😮

Was running Krak Nade/Autogun build

I think the CQC boss kept chasing after me...

[torpid sundial]

Bob did it

was a 3 man game because a 4th one never joined

and the bot is perma dead because apparantly it kept standing inside the poison gas

[finite imp]

"bob you sucked that last match"

[balmy flume]

Nicely done

and yea the gas is a bot killer lol

[finite imp]

I got told to play better by a mf sitting at the bottom of the scoreboard

[balmy flume]

Granted, there were one or two close calls during my run too, but I had the anti-Corruption serum and someone dropped a med kit

so that waas good

[finite imp]

I was like bruh

[balmy flume]

bruh indeed

[torpid sundial]

Yeah that med kit was gone the first half of the fight

[finite imp]

Then he complained I was using a dagger

[torpid sundial]

The other two zealots died twice during the entire thing

[balmy flume]

every now and then you get the "obnoxiously pro" player yelling at you for not doing stuff

[finite imp]

I was like how do you get a dagger in this game

[torpid sundial]

I actually managed to rez both

Somehow

[balmy flume]

even on just Heresy in normal missions

[torpid sundial]

Really shouldve recorded that run

[finite imp]

It was cool he even plugged in his mic to berate me for the entire match

Even while dead

Telling me my build sucks I suck

No idea what I'm doing

Etc

[torpid sundial]

Dagger is great

I love it but

[finite imp]

Yeah I love dagger fav weapon

[torpid sundial]

I don’t like how I need to turn my brain up to 110% whenever I play it

[finite imp]

KKKKKKKKNNNNMNIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFEEEEE

[nimble sentinel]

reminds me of this exchange I had a while back

[terse idol]

Does heavy attacking knife make you go faster?
I keep seeing people do it

[finite imp]

Yes

[terse idol]

[finite imp]

You people are all like oh idk about the knife the knife seems mid

Then you pick up the knife...

[torpid sundial]

Cute exchange tbh

[finite imp]

And you never go back

[torpid sundial]

I wished people talked more in my games

But a lot of people are chinese in the asia server

[balmy flume]

Talking of which...the new chainsword actually any good?

[torpid sundial]

Yes

I love it so much

[finite imp]

Yeah it's pr goo

Know what weapon is better tho

[nimble sentinel]

cheers to that bro

[torpid sundial]

Light attack spam clears hordes so fast its insane

It eats through entire bruiser hordes

Like paper

[balmy flume]

Might have to build myself one then, always wanted something with a bit more running speed to match Autogun

[finite imp]

Let's see if it works

Oh yes it does

Beautifully

[balmy flume]

Flak/Maniac, and what am I looking for in terms of Blessings?

[torpid sundial]

The standard rampage shred

[balmy flume]

ok, thanks

should keep me a bit busy lol

[torpid sundial]

Ive been using it with my helbore and its the perfect weapon since it wavecleara so fast

[finite imp]

When you pick up the knife it's like you got on them lemon pepper steppers

[torpid sundial]

And I can get back to my sniping

[finite imp]

You be tippity tip tap toeing all up in there

[torpid sundial]

Knife is reserved for only when I’m feeling sweaty

[finite imp]

Knife takes zero skill you're crazy

[nimble sentinel]

learning the way of the knife is like getting a sandevistan

[torpid sundial]

Because you need to permanently be in the zone during HI missions as knife

[finite imp]

Easiest weapon in the game

[torpid sundial]

And the contrast when I’m playing shit like melee ogryn is

Haha enemies come to me haha enemies ded

[finite imp]

I just be making koolaid when I'm knifemaxxing

I just be alt tabbed when I'm knifemaxxing

[torpid sundial]

Nice try

[finite imp]

I just be watching a movie in the background when I'm knifemaxxing

[torpid sundial]

But yeah I do enjoy knife but its not something that I’d play very often

[finite imp]

I just be doing a pedicure to myself on my keyboard and I control the game with my toes

When I'm knifemaxxing

Lmao

[torpid sundial]

I like my playstyles to be a bit more relaxing in terms of apm

[nimble sentinel]

overextending becomes so much more of an issuer whenever I slot knife and I have hated on too many knife zealots to let myself get caught slippin, knife does have its difficulties albeit different ones'

I wanna zoom and the rest of teh team cannot keep up

[torpid sundial]

Ive been intentionally overextending with autoguns now

[finite imp]

Just hug your homies when you're knife maxxng kiss them on the forehead and tuck em into bed

Stay sliding stay dipping stay weaving. Tighten those lemon pepper steppers up till you ankles ain't got no circulation

Feet can't hurt if I don't feelem

[torpid sundial]

I dunno about you but I get some intense thrills when I’m right in the middle of 30 gunners

[finite imp]

I just be John wicking between them.

Dip dodging and shit

I'm like the president handing out handshakes at the cocktail function

[torpid sundial]

The autogun with stripped down has fundamentally changed how I view a pack of gunners

I want to run straight towards them

As they shoot at me

[finite imp]

I be river stepping. Clickity clackin. Kills rackin

So much pixie powder I got that albino mustache

You gotta have some good knifemaxxing music

My go to is this

https://youtu.be/tAA4cKDL5Go?si=h9xVpto9blDUKvpO

Moving so quick the floor shifting and shaking. Ripping up the carpet style. Blowing my elbows out on their mf asses

At the poetry slam LAN party they call me carpal tunnel

[near shore]

wtf

i spawnerd in half dead, beast of nurgle, and my teammate left, just fucked off

i yell "dont u fucking run away, help me"

[finite imp]

I had it you got it

[balmy flume]

Bad PUG spawns, it happens

[near shore]

nah, u dont understand

he for real just continued theough the map, leaving me to dwal with the beast solo

i killed it, but ffs

[sharp ember]

bro doin the speedrun strat

[finite imp]

Ain't got time he's got them lemon pepper steppers on and he's late for Sunday service

[wicked warren]

What is a good weapon for the veteran?

[sharp ember]

except like, the autopistol

[finite imp]

Yeah

They nerfed that thing into the flolr

Floor

Poor bastard

And the recon

[finite imp]

This is such a a loaded question tho. Do you like autoguns? Pistols? What

Like you didn't even say melee or gum

[wicked warren]

Autoguns

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/sidious-smile-evil-grin-gif-9517476

Do you speak of... the meta?

[finite imp]

CIAG

Or mk1

Or the graia

[devout comet]

Autopistol could be good if you go for a stagger build

[finite imp]

I go for the kill marker build

The THWACK sound is dope

[wicked warren]

Now i have the Agripinaa Mk VIII

[finite imp]

The braced auto?

[sharp ember]

well at least the autopistol is good at staggering anything smaller than a bulwark

[wicked warren]

Yes

[finite imp]

I ran the agri brauto for a loooong time

[wicked warren]

Wait i send a screen

[finite imp]

Then my aim started becoming insane

[finite imp]

And I swapped over to the revolver

[devout comet]

Columbius I’ve heard is pretty good

[finite imp]

What level is your character

[wicked warren]

17

No is 16

[finite imp]

I wouldn't worry about the best of anything until 30

[wicked warren]

Ok

[finite imp]

It won't even drop

[iron thicket]

what should I change around on this?

[finite imp]

Surgical to deadly accurate

Reload speed to flak

[iron thicket]

tyty

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-baby-gif-5199053054594704929

Critting on a weakspot hit that already is getting a 100 percent damage boost?

You're doing more damage than a revolver

Barely

But if you can consistently proc it's like you have a 20 round revolver

Wait

That's the burst fire

Not the mk7

So nvm

[sharp ember]

i wonder how that math works out

with the blessing and the perk

[finite imp]

I don't do math I speak from experience

[slate sleet]

agri1 pumps so hard its insane

[finite imp]

I have a mk7 with that setup

[finite imp]

It's a hilarious weapon tbh

The COD cannon

[slate sleet]

its a flex weapon

dunno if id call it a cod cannon

[finite imp]

30 roundish magazines, the most basic assault rifle with high damage and no quirks

[slate sleet]

it has access to raking fire thats the quirk

[finite imp]

Never tried that blessing before

Sounds good on paper

We're you combining it with stealth

[near shore]

who needs team score anyways?

[finite imp]

Lol did that bug

You also got no resources

[near shore]

no clue, it was a fail

they once agian, ran away upon seeing a beast of nurgle

they DID NOT understand the idea of going behind irt

but thats my shotgun bulid, pog weakspot kills

[finite imp]

I always kind of Shepard the pubbies where to go

By pings

I'll ping somewhere and run another direction

[near shore]

well this was auric malestrom so

[finite imp]

They sometimes get the idea

I just did what I'm talking about in an auric maelstrom

[near shore]

if i had a dime for evrytime a teammate left me to deal with the beast alone, id have 2 dimes todays

which isnt a lot, but weird its happend twice

[torpid sundial]

I think I’ll build a braced autogun with reload speed perk and reload speed blessing with stripped down

With its entire purpose to run up to gunners’ faces and shoot them

[finite imp]

BUT BUT BUT ITS NOT META

[torpid sundial]

Bwaaah….

ToT

[finite imp]

im jk that sounds like hilarious fun

make sure to run +9 stam

[torpid sundial]

I know

[finite imp]

call it the officer down build

[torpid sundial]

I’m just having fun experimenting with weirdass builds at this point

[mellow sable]

Playing a bit stupid can be very fun sometimes

[finite imp]

im a knifemaxxer more like ALL THE TIME

https://tenor.com/view/run-running-fast-basketball-court-sprint-gif-16667898

me carefully approaching the enemy

i wish i was good at sony Vega pro I'd edit a knife in his hands a vet helmet on him

[torpid sundial]

No

No

I’m not that far gone yet

[tropic notch]

[torpid sundial]

That’ll have to wait

[tiny summit]

Pass the vape man. Become the vent purge

[tropic notch]

What is that

[torpid sundial]

Full grenade spam

[tiny summit]

I am the vent purge

[torpid sundial]

But

Smoke

[tiny summit]

Twinned smokes is funny. They barely land away from each other

[torpid sundial]

Have you tried it and is it effective in normal damnation at least

[tiny summit]

Won a few auric damns

[torpid sundial]

Jesus

[tiny summit]

But that may be cheating since I was using plasma lol

[slate sleet]

yes you can clear damnation without a grenade slot

no its not good

[torpid sundial]

Okay so what happens to all the enemies inside the smoke

[slate sleet]

they dont care

[torpid sundial]

I know it says visibility decreased

But

Okay

[tiny summit]

Various results

[torpid sundial]

Nice.

[slate sleet]

smokes only do stuff vs specials and ranged enemies

[ashen shore]

Do smoke grenades work on snipers?

[slate sleet]

no

[torpid sundial]

No

[tiny summit]

Sometimes they bug out. Sometimes they stop shooting. Sometimes they immediately walk out and start shooting again

[torpid sundial]

Which is shit

[slate sleet]

dogs cant find you in smoke

takes then a really long time

smoking a hunting ground pack is really funny

[torpid sundial]

Wait if you’re inside the smoke and they’re outside

[slate sleet]

they run around at light speed trying to find a way to you

[torpid sundial]

Can normal and elite shooters still shoot you

[slate sleet]

ranged enemies stop firing when you are in the smoke

[torpid sundial]

Ok

Thats something

[slate sleet]

if you are the only one alive and you smoke vs ranged enemies they literally go idle

[torpid sundial]

I can work with that

[slate sleet]

the most useful part of smoke is that it forces flames, trappers and dogs into basically melee range before they do their attacks

[tiny summit]

Also the maelstrom had enhanced blitz so 6 smokes. Threw at least 1 every encounter

[torpid sundial]

Yknow what

You sold me

[tiny summit]

Only if it cleared fire

[torpid sundial]

I’ll play it

[somber salmon]

I have a bit of a random question - is there any way to swap reload with vent on plasma gun? I usually play psyker and this weapon is really throwing me off

[tiny summit]

That'd be godlike

[torpid sundial]

After i build my shotgun

[slate sleet]

smoke is really boring

its also very underwhelming

if your group is not terrible you will be moving all the time so smokes are made useless

bombers dont care at all about smoke

[torpid sundial]

Okay that sucks

[slate sleet]

so you cant smoke a corner and be safe from ranged

all it does it force ranged enemies into melee range which i guess is something

most of the time they will hold position and not move so its really not great

[mellow sable]

But not better than killing them outright or inflicting bleed

[tiny summit]

It's good when every few runs, the director just loads one of the open areas with shooters

[torpid sundial]

I'm not looking for good picks here I'm looking for FUN picks

or dumb

interchangeable

[tiny summit]

Like smoke grenadier

[slate sleet]

smokes dont do anything most of the time sadly

[mellow sable]

Would rather be able to spam shredder nades

[tiny summit]

Essentially just handicapping yourself while

Fucking with shooters

[slate sleet]

if you want something fun to do thats actually secretly busted try camo expert infil with raking fire

its disgusting

you also get to watch your team crash and burn in slow motion

its like playing a whole different game

[torpid sundial]

with autopistol?

[slate sleet]

IAG's have raking fire on them

[torpid sundial]

ah

[slate sleet]

it says back but its sides too

[near shore]

yall, i realized with the wepon specalist keystone, i can unload 13 shells in like 2 seconds

wait

hol up

you can put the 20% fire rate buff on the recon lazgun

[frank basin]

Indeed

With celerity make go brrrrrttt

[near shore]

put on the brittleness perk + rending + wepon specalist + celerity

[paper brook]

So which shovel is the best to use?

I know there are 3

[tall torrent]

Depends on which moveset u prefer

[tiny summit]

Yea. If you want the flip attack, you got a choice of 2. If you just like swinging the standard is still good too

[paper brook]

Is there a notable difference between the two thwat have the flip attack?

[tiny summit]

Moveset

Pretty much it

[dusty sluice]

is exe stance bolter a thing?

[tiny summit]

It is. I wouldn't say a really good thing. But it is

[dusty sluice]

seems bad but also funny

[tall torrent]

Mk7 has strikedown in push attack, L3 and L4
Mk3 has only H2 strikedown

[muted knot]

You can run it to cheat out the bolter without having a externally long pull out

[celest vine]

Bolter is kinda unversitile

Hits like a truck

Better options overall

[paper brook]

Ah ok sounds like the MK7 has a better combo then?

[tall torrent]

Partially true, but mk3 has a much better folded heavy attack than mk7

[serene sage]

you can but imo bolter can use the toughness and stagger from VoC to pull and kill things better

especially when Pinning Fire wil get stacked immediately with VoC

in theory Exec helps with the draw but like that's mostly it

I guess the recoil, too but the damage will be overkill in most instances

[frank basin]

I the John-Boltgun

[crude ermine]

My battery is charging but has been on 3 for 10 minutes what the hell

Ok we at 4

We're so back

[neat stratus]

Kinda curious, are there any last keystones that would matter all that much if you took a Lucius Helbore?

[crude ermine]

Marksman focus works well with helbore

But if you're not a fan of that you can try wep or focus

[neat stratus]

That's what I'd think, but how would I go about not moving?

That sounds like the antithesis to what you're supposed to do to get through a map quicker with teammates

[crude ermine]

You can grab camouflage to be able to move after a headshot kill, but you can still crouch walk

[neat stratus]

Oh that works?

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[neat stratus]

I'm going mostly left path myself since survivalist will prevent anyone from needing to take ammo (particularly myself and an ogryn should they be using the kickback or stubbers), deadshot is practically designed with the helbore in mind, and I'm just more used to that style since I played the most before the reworks to talent trees

[gray finch]

which one of you mfks told 50% of a player base that ciag is a good weapon ? i do understand it on a psyker bcs it can just melt everythink but on vet and zelaot there is way better option

[slate sleet]

my favorite build is exec stance marksman focus hellbore

[slate sleet]

also known as I dont know how the game works

the build

[neat stratus]

I don't really like the idea of marksman's focus, you either take infiltrate or kind of force yourself to be a still target

[neat stratus]

Fortunately not me

[slate sleet]

the joke is that hellbore deals enough damage to kill nearly everything in 1 shot without exec stance or other buffs so you are wasting talent points

[neat stratus]

Oh it does? Man, I haven't played in a while, that used to be how you hit breakpoints (pretty sure at least)

Maybe with the lighter MkII ig

[crude ermine]

It can be tricky to get the hang of

But it really boils down to headshots and keep moving during those seconds you can move after headshots

[tall torrent]

The only important 1 shot breakpoint u can’t get on Mk2 without crit are flamers

[slate sleet]

the funny thing about marksmans focus is that it only really benefits rapid fire low damage guns instead of the sniper weapons

so every epic exec stance marksman focus krieger cosplayer you see running around is doing overkill damage every single time

[terse idol]

Huh?

Its even better for us

50%?

[gray finch]

surly XDS

[terse idol]

Most builds and the majority of people say ciag is good

[gray finch]

psyker killing the chaos spawn in 2 mags while killing everythink else around

[terse idol]

?????

What

Wait

That puts ciag even higher

If it can 2 mag for a psyker

[gray finch]

have you ever seen gun psyker in you game ?

[terse idol]

And you can mag dump crushers in seconds

As a vet

Then the ciag is even more s tier

[gray finch]

how is is a s tier ?\

[terse idol]

No, but you're reinforcing more how good CIAG is

[terse idol]

Has one of the highest damage in the game, insane crit chains

Even folks I don't agree with about weapon tier lists agree the ciag is mega broke

[gray finch]

i have literally never seen a veteran making even close to my dmg in game

[paper brook]

Which skill is that?

[noble lichen]

If you guys were building a Devil's Claw, which mark would y'all choose? Blessings?

[gray finch]

i have seen ciag like 50x more then a lasguns in past month

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist, each melee kill stack gives u +2% firerate on ranged atk (for 5s)

[crude ermine]

I personally like 4 and like to go rampage and another blessing I can't remember

[gray finch]

and only a psyker got same dps as me

[crude ermine]

I think it's SS

[woven tide]

Yea, CIAG is pretty damn strong ATM. Pretty much Vets (or really any classes) top choice ATM. High DPM, good ammo economy, high weakspot multiplier, low recoil

[slate sleet]

what are you even saying? 1mil is some impossible feat or something?

[noble lichen]

Rampage seems to be the only thing people agree on. I've seen Shred, Wrath, Savage Sweep....

[terse idol]

Yeah who's saying ciag is weak for vet

The gun class

[crude ermine]

Either of them work

[terse idol]

🥹

[terse idol]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

Rampage + SavageSweep/Wrath/Shred

They all work

[terse idol]

I mean like, Shred, Rampage is good for extra punch, especially good for zealot crit builds

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[terse idol]

Rampage savage sweep for extra cleave

[crude ermine]

Yeah pt2

[spice wadi]

oui, even

[gray finch]

look only psyker coudl get close to my dmg

and i was playing zelaot that time]

[slate sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-cat-monch-cat-monch-spinfal-gif-19376414

1mil damage is not impressive

i dunno what you are on about

gunker psyker can easily push 1mil+

[terse idol]

No but roll it back

Who's saying ciag is bad for vet

[spice wadi]

non, perhaps

[terse idol]

🥹

[gray finch]

its awfull in term of situational damage

[slate sleet]

@primal mesa

[glacial yacht]

bad take from a registered sex offender? discord says that now?

[terse idol]

Even tanner

Puts ciag on S

I mean which is valid

[slate sleet]

ciag is the most busted gun in the game

[terse idol]

Its the problem with current balance talk in the first place

[woven tide]

There aren't many situations in which the CIAG underperforms in general. It's consistently great or valid across the board for almost all situations.

[slate sleet]

its broken

it makes plasma look like a joke weapon

[terse idol]

Well besides long range

I mean ehhhhh

[dusty sluice]

this is going to get bricked

[slate sleet]

it works at any range with a marksmans focus build

[terse idol]

Theyre on the same tier

I think puhgun has problems

[crude ermine]

Ouhgun?

Puhgun*

[terse idol]

PeuGun

[crude ermine]

Ah

[spice wadi]

the fkn wot gun

[dusty sluice]

eldritch speak

[terse idol]

You know

The P

[tall torrent]

Well you’re 1/4 on route to have a good roll so I wouldn’t worry

[spice wadi]

I am going to will your head to explode

[crude ermine]

Oh my fucking god

PLASMA

[spice wadi]

Mon dieu

[terse idol]

😌

[crude ermine]

THE GUN IM PREJUDICED AGAINST

[spice wadi]

why

[crude ermine]

I they're no good dirty stinkin plasma users

But I met a vet who was one of the good ones

[spice wadi]

ok

[crude ermine]

Also it's just boring

[spice wadi]

how

[fleet garden]

darktide ost on a pair of real headphones and an amp slaps

[crude ermine]

Like playing with 3 just makes it feel like I'm watching kids

[spice wadi]

it is a gun u point at man and press button to make him dead body hours

similar to many guns

[crude ermine]

I meant playing WITH

Not using

[spice wadi]

if u joined a match with 3 plasma guns that is the fault of ur upbringing and loose morals

[crude ermine]

MORALS?

I will smite you

[spice wadi]

u cannot

u said 'blow up'

and i did not

u r powerless

[crude ermine]

Wh

[spice wadi]

feeble

frence

[dusty sluice]

ever played with 3 skilled voidstike psykers?

that was, something

[spice wadi]

biden blast

[tall torrent]

Gloryhunter plasma + confirmed kill + born leader + target down is actually not bad for an emotional support build

[crude ermine]

I never see psykers

Like genuinely

[dusty sluice]

lucky

[spice wadi]

bad mmr

[crude ermine]

They're an extinct species when I get on

[primal mesa]

Huh

@slate sleet what do you want

[inland yarrow]

What perks does everyone run on their plasma gun?

[fleet garden]

you can run plasma without perks and it works

[glacial yacht]

this registered sex offender was saying CIAG was bad

[primal mesa]

Why would anyone not just laugh and ignore that?

[terse idol]

Yeah thats fair

Why do you keep saying they're a registered sex offender jesus christ

[primal mesa]

Its a meme on discord

People put a copy paste in their info

[primal mesa]

So it says this user is a register sex offender how the fuck anyone falls for that is beyond me

[slate sleet]

he gets 1 mil damage he must be right

[dusty sluice]

guh?

[crude ermine]

You've said that twice

[glacial yacht]

oh i clicked his name and it said that. why would anyone want that in their profile? im 30 ok im not hip with the weird reddit humor

[crude ermine]

Irony is usually the reason for things

Or as a joke

[primal mesa]

Yeah and i drop over a mill dmg almost every game with ciag gun psi lul

[crude ermine]

It's hard to explain

[spice wadi]

voidstrike

is the blast of biden

[crude ermine]

Oh

[gray finch]

that what is said

[crude ermine]

I thought you were threatening me with Biden blast

[gray finch]

psyker performe

[spice wadi]

i would never threaten anyone

[primal mesa]

Thats not a staff though

Thats the ciag lol

[spice wadi]

who else is going to be conspicuously french

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-thumb-uncanny-canny-mr-incredible-gif-13123031614149167572

[slate sleet]

no you said ciag is bad and you never see anyone come close to your damage in your games

[spice wadi]

is this a fight

[slate sleet]

#veteran-class message

[gray finch]

what i been saying that on psyker its overpowerd but on other classes its underperforming

[neat stratus]

Whats Ciag

[slate sleet]

ciag is underperforming on veteran?

[woven tide]

Columnus

[slate sleet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/415204011957026828/1176911138659766372/qkwaso.gif?ex=657096e9&is=655e21e9&hm=50b5754e380e3d7e6cff5047ca59df248b45a3fbe1102879e4fceb5761fb3102&

[dusty sluice]

oh damn

[primal mesa]

Ok what is the better option?

[muted knot]

You tripping

[gray finch]

infantry lasgun even the lucius if you goodf with them

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-disney-oui-oui-baguette-oui-yes-gif-23982525

[woven tide]

[dusty sluice]

this

[slate sleet]

🚽

[primal mesa]

Lol

Lmao even

Im not even going to engage with this shit

[neat stratus]

🗿

[primal mesa]

Just get blocked

[gray finch]

i have seen only psykers doing good with ciag but never a vet

[tropic notch]

Hai bestie :3

[woven tide]

That's a massive skill issue then, not even close to the weapon being bad

[crude ermine]

You know what they say

[spice wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/masive-skill-issue-skill-issue-yakudza-gif-14004060172467418456

[crude ermine]

If they can't use the gun

They ain't gonna be fun

[gray finch]

its the same think as a shredder before nerfs you seeing it everywhere

[woven tide]

[neat stratus]

I hear the laspistol doesnt suck now

[gray finch]

the weapon is so common in this game that i cant find a good vet main no more

[neat stratus]

is that true at all

[gray finch]

you know that actually care about aiming

[primal mesa]

Wow you're really weird and delustional

[neat stratus]

Aiming wastes time, brr kills everything

[primal mesa]

Ok before i just block you and go back to what i was doing how about this. Go make some videos and re define the vet meta. Go prove why me and everyone else saying the same thing is wrong.

[woven tide]

I feel like this argument about the Columnus on vet is more about a skill issue with the players you've seen rather than the weapon actually being bad on vet.

[neat stratus]

This is why precision focused guns are kinda not good, other than the plasma gun which is basically just a brr gun in disguise

[primal mesa]

Should be easy right? Since you're such a true vet main who knows the real truth

[tropic notch]

@primal mesa is critical bonus a dump stat? I really can’t tell a difference I always thought it was quell speed

[slate sleet]

anyway heres my anecdotal evidence

[tropic notch]

On the surge staff

Been waiting to ask you

[tall torrent]

It’s decent

[neat stratus]

No it isnt

[primal mesa]

Critical is never a dump stat

[gray finch]

unless the ciag is just a trully hard weapon like a plasma was before buffs

[neat stratus]

You'll have a better crit chance with crit bonus, this is for all weapons

[primal mesa]

You will get more dps dumping dmg to raise crit

[neat stratus]

^

[tropic notch]

As I thought lol

[tall torrent]

U basically always want crit bonus (& any other dmg related stat) as high as possible

[primal mesa]

Thats not exactly true

[tall torrent]

Most of the time

[primal mesa]

Unless a % dmg modifer is tied to the dmg stat

[round jetty]

cool well the run is fucked

[tall torrent]

Some weapons are exceptions

[primal mesa]

The gap between 80% dmg and 60% is usually less than like 5 to 10 points

And helps you meet zero breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Like, Columnus IAG u don’t need to care abt dmg too much

That’s an exception

[tropic notch]

Still waiting on the orgyn min max tanner…..

[slate sleet]

not really

[primal mesa]

No its just the rule

[slate sleet]

you check breakpoints for the guns you wanna use

[primal mesa]

Unless a gun does over 300 dmg on its dmg profile the dmg stat does jack shit

Like on almost all melees a 40% dmg hits the same breakpoints as 80%

[slate sleet]

damage bar > everything else is a exec stance marksmans focus hellbore 3 mentality (600k overkill)

[primal mesa]

People just dont look at the card lmao

They just see dmg and go must be as big as possible

[tropic notch]

It’s like a 10 damage difference

Watched a friend delete a god roll because of “terrible” damage

[crude ermine]

What was the actual number

[tropic notch]

66

[primal mesa]

With things like psyker staffs and olasma guns dmg is out right the least important thing

[tropic notch]

80 in everything else

[crude ermine]

Bruh

[vernal harbor]

man when someone has the audacity to go for very very high maelstrom and not be anywhere near close to the skill level is enraging damn near taken it personally lmao

[tropic notch]

They wanted that 20 damage

[crude ermine]

66 is still good enough what was he thinking

[earnest lotus]

It's me

I'm the maelstrom guy with 0 skill

I'm not sorry

[tropic notch]

Idk

[dusty sluice]

hsword 9 needs 76+ dmg to hit scab rager one hits

[primal mesa]

Yes and thats an example of when it matters

Like a helbore needs to get 75 to one tap scabs to body

The fact that the dmg stat actually mattering is so rare you can memorize the only times it does is kind of a testament

That people only want it high fir big number go brr

[tropic notch]

Blud is using the heavy sword

Just use dc mk4

[dusty sluice]

used too

[primal mesa]

Hesvy sword is kinda dope

[terse idol]

Pretty opie opie

[dusty sluice]

have 150+ hours on dclaw lol

very fun

[tropic notch]

Too addicted to the dc it’s hard to stray from it

[slate sleet]

ok but if damage number low you do less damage to boss = small pp number

[terse idol]

Okay TO BE FAIR

I'm gonna engage it

Sub 70

[inland orchid]

Oh hey even more of a reason to yeet kraks at bosses

[terse idol]

Kinda iffy

[tropic notch]

I’ve been forcing myself to run mk13 chainsword and the mk6 pw

[terse idol]

Depend on bp

But

The damage difference isn't that big

It depends on ze gun

Or melee

[umbral scaffold]

Doesn't the damage stat affect base damage, which in turn gets affected by all the other stats that boost that damage?

[terse idol]

Actually that's a good point

Low base damage does make everything from crit damage lower

[frail bolt]

any recommendations?

[primal mesa]

Yes it does

And thats the trap that alot of people fall into if they never think about it past that

Check your ovk dmg

Alot of the time dmg post 70 doesnt lower hits to kill

Just raises the ovk bleed over

[umbral scaffold]

There are weapons where the finesse stat gets them to do over double damage, then there's first target to account for and still get a better benefit from other damage bonuses from talents and blessings