Isn't a rager like 1400hp?
#veteran-class
jovial aurora
glacial yacht
i have maniac and elite damage on mine and it does
gusty bison
With a 0.85x headshot multiplier
glacial yacht
i can one shot everything but ogryns without a crit
jovial aurora
They so ezpz to clap tho. Carapace armor goes hard apparently
glacial yacht
and flak ragers
gusty bison
Bullshit
glacial yacht
and maulers lol
gusty bison
Maulers
glacial yacht
sorry forgot those
glacial yacht
and mutant lol
jovial aurora
and maulers lol
I think they want you to pretend it doesn't have a alt fire
slow forum
I don’t understand, revolver bullets pass right through the enemy and therefore count as a miss?
gusty bison
I think they want you to pretend it doesn't have a alt fire
It doesnt
serene orbit
gotcha, yeah
glacial yacht
lmb i mean
gusty bison
Cos its faster to just lmb twice
Rmb on plasma is worthless atm
Except for + cara plasmas where ok u can 1 shot crusher wooo
muted prairie
fellow shootman enjoyers, is there a consensus on plasma vs revolver? i've usually been a plasma guy but i've been trying revolver and it seems pretty good
gusty bison
fellow shootman enjoyers, is there a consensus on plasma vs revolver? i've usual...
Volver is stronger, plasma is easier
glacial yacht
wild statement
jovial aurora
In that case can volver easily one tap without rmb?
muted prairie
is there a canon reason why regular revolver bullets do so much damage
tall torrent
Except for + cara plasmas where ok u can 1 shot crusher wooo
I’ve found charged shot ok at killing crushers because it’s usually better for me to 1 shot instant kill than to use the same amount of ammo but need to shoot thrice
tiny summit
Except for + cara plasmas where ok u can 1 shot crusher wooo
When you can probably 2 tap the crusher and save ammo if you aim for the head
serene orbit
is there a canon reason why regular revolver bullets do so much damage
we're actually wielding boltpistols in disguise
gusty bison
When you can probably 2 tap the crusher and save ammo if you aim for the head
Nah its 3 tap with lmb
So itd equal ammo usage
tall torrent
When you can probably 2 tap the crusher and save ammo if you aim for the head
It’s 3 if u build for carapace dmg
So you’re gonna need 9 ammo anyways
One charged shot to head is 9 ammo and would instantly kill crusher
terse idol
I don’t understand, revolver bullets pass right through the enemy and therefore ...
No, if you hit once it'll count as 1 hit
If you miss a shot you'll need to make up 10 shots
gusty bison
I mean for pretenses of one shotting
On plasma the rmb is so fucking slow u can fire a surg bolter twice with 100% crit rate before the plasma is charged
terse idol
That's what I'm trying to convey
tiny summit
Sure a crit or Longshot doesn't kick in for the 2 shot?
gusty bison
So just fire the plasma lmb 2-3x
gusty bison
Sure a crit or Longshot doesn't kick in for the 2 shot?
Plasma has falloff
Longshot just barelt negates it
terse idol
Its not the end of the world if you miss, but if you miss you're gonna need to work harder to bring back your accuracy to 90%
gusty bison
Plasma has garbage finesse
tall torrent
Charge plasma is only worth it to kill 1 crusher and to have enough heat so you bring a lot of value out of gets hot very quickly
That’s it
gusty bison
So crits arent that big
serene sage
fellow shootman enjoyers, is there a consensus on plasma vs revolver? i've usual...
If you like stats padding, plasma is better
If you like consistency and not worry about heat at bad timings, revolver is better
tall torrent
So crits arent that big
They’re not that big but they give u a couple breakpoints I think
Like rager 1 shot
glacial yacht
i love revolver but theres a lot to be said about reload time
tiny summit
In a real game, the crusher probably took team damage so...1-3 shots
gusty bison
They’re not that big but they give u a couple breakpoints I think
Gunner 1 shot
glacial yacht
plasma can shoot for days
gusty bison
i love revolver but theres a lot to be said about reload time
What reload time
Volver doesnt reload
glacial yacht
on revolver
gusty bison
Gunner 1 shot doesn’t need crit iirc
Nop
jovial aurora
i love revolver but theres a lot to be said about reload time
That's not a thing because Noone runs anything but weapons specialist
gusty bison
I was thinking of finesse headshot
jovial aurora
Sarcasm lol
tall torrent
That's not a thing because Noone runs anything but weapons specialist
Just not true
gusty bison
With volver u run wep spec
glacial yacht
yeah you still reload a bunch
glacial yacht
omg ok
jovial aurora
Just not true
Sarcasm
jovial aurora
Honestly not worth giving up the tag
gusty bison
It also combos perfectly with agile engagement
terse idol
Well "don't need to" assuming you only fire 1 or so shots when you switch 
glacial yacht
heres the one shot noncrit on rager i was talking about
gusty bison
Which is another insane build
gusty bison
heres the one shot noncrit on rager i was talking about
Sir
tall torrent
heres the one shot noncrit on rager i was talking about
Yellow number is crit…
gusty bison
Thosr are yellow numbers
gusty bison
Lol no
gusty bison
it was oragnge
ITS A LARGER FUCKING FONT
terse idol
Its not 🥹
glacial yacht
im really not
gusty bison
You really are
glacial yacht
how do you screen record
terse idol
I've tested crusher BP's using print screen the text doesn't change to yellow
midnight totem
That's a crit
gusty bison
Print screen doesnt magically change colours
glacial yacht
it literally does on mine i swear lmao
jovial aurora
im really not
Just give up man this person was saying earlier that revolvers problem is cleave not damage, and to them everyone runs weapons spec lol. You ain't gonna win this argument they just gonna keep going
gusty bison
Yea no like
tall torrent
how do you screen record
Do u have Nvidia or AMD graphics card
terse idol
Your print screen doesn't change white text to yellow
serene orbit
lmao
glacial yacht
Do u have Nvidia or AMD graphics card
nvidia
forest blaze
Lmao
jovial aurora
They're both alt+z
glacial yacht
ok one sec
tall torrent
Alt+Z to open GeForce overlay, record screen
jovial aurora
Or control shift s for screenie
tall torrent
Be aware that GeForce record will include any Nvidia filters you have applied to your game
glacial yacht
tall torrent
If you’re one of those people that unironically play on 100 saturation your recording will look as weird as your game
glacial yacht
did that worki
jovial aurora
You got handbrake?
glacial yacht
idk what that is
tall torrent
did that worki
Doesn’t work
jovial aurora
It's a video encoder
glacial yacht
good lord
glacial yacht
do i just put my nvidia vid in there
gusty bison
.mp4?
jovial aurora
Just drag the vid into that select fast 1080/30fps
gusty bison
Sure
glacial yacht
now what
jovial aurora
Hit the green button
gusty bison
Now shoot the flak rager
glacial yacht
i cant one shot those i said already
terse idol
Yes shoot it
glacial yacht
naw naw yall were saying i was getting crits
gusty bison
Plas cannot hit both bps
glacial yacht
i was not
gusty bison
naw naw yall were saying i was getting crits
U were
gusty bison
heres the one shot noncrit on rager i was talking about
This is a fucking crit
glacial yacht
it isnt it turned yellow when i hit print screen
charred dirge
Sorry to be asking this here but does anybody know to fix darktide from crashing because of shaders cache?
terse idol
it isnt it turned yellow when i hit print screen
That impossible
gusty bison
it isnt it turned yellow when i hit print screen
Uh huh
glacial yacht
why would i lie when i can clearly one shot without crit
glacial yacht
i did mulitple screenshots all on noncrits and all turn yellow
serene sage
Just do it again then
gusty bison
Uh huh
serene sage
Though I do think Plasma can one shot Ragers
gusty bison
It can 1 shot ONE of the two ragers
wicked zenith
It can
serene sage
So idk
gusty bison
But not both
tall torrent
Flak rager could, with crit or with flak I think?
glacial yacht
gusty bison
Not without exec or ability boost
tall torrent
With flak it gets pretty close?
glacial yacht
crit vs noncrit
wicked zenith
Plasma or the Hellbore alot of things can oneshot ragers.
gusty bison
Ok ur computer is just bad
glacial yacht
again
forest blaze
I’m fuckin dead
tall torrent
Helbore 1 with flak + elite can 1 HS non-crit scab rager
gusty bison
Ye that doesnt happen to anyone else
glacial yacht
written apology lmao
forest blaze
This is the funniest shit
gusty bison
written apology lmao
Nope
charred dirge
Sorry to be asking this here but does anybody know to fix darktide from crashing...
Anybody?
terse idol
I aint writing nothing, your puter is broke
gusty bison
No one is apologizing for ur computer being shit lol
terse idol
glacial yacht
i have no idea why it does that lmao
serene sage
why is the heat two different shade of yellow though 
glacial yacht
maybe from a mod or something
serene sage
am i crazy
tall torrent
Damn
Ever considered updating Nvidia graphics drivers or smth
Never seen that in my life
forest blaze
why is the heat two different shade of yellow though <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883229...
That’s how plasma works
glacial yacht
why is the heat two different shade of yellow though <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883229...
it gets darker with more heat
forest blaze
Yah
terse idol
Yeah it gets red
serene sage
how have I not noticed this before
serene sage
I am hot
terse idol
serene sage
or so ive been told
forest blaze
It goes white to yellow to Orange to red
glacial yacht
someone else screen shot a non crit headshot and see what it doese
idk why mine turns yellow
terse idol
Its white
forest blaze
someone else screen shot a non crit headshot and see what it doese
Literally everyone else’s would be white
tall torrent
Maybe a weird color setting somewhere?
tall torrent
Never seen that before
terse idol
You see how some of these are yellow and some are white
wicked zenith
You can get crit quite high with a plasma, so if it is a crit isn't so relevant
forest blaze
You can get crit quite high with a plasma, so if it is a crit isn't so relevant
Gets hot vibes
glacial yacht
omg im aware what color they should be. mine doesnt show the correct color when i screen shot only in real game
serene sage
omg im aware what color they should be. mine doesnt show the correct color when ...
schizo computer
tiny summit
Plasma ammo usage should increase with heat level 
wicked zenith
tall torrent
omg im aware what color they should be. mine doesnt show the correct color when ...
Check if ur graphics driver is up to date, and maybe color settings
glacial yacht
not that important i gfuess it only makes my honesty called into question lmao
serene sage
well I remember plasma one tapping ragers regardless
wicked zenith
Non-crit or weakspot hit.
serene sage
it can dpeends on your distance and talents as well
gusty bison
well I remember plasma one tapping ragers regardless
Requires + maniac and + elite
glacial yacht
Man I swear some of yall never heard of transcoding before and it shows
i absolutely had not so thank you
serene sage
Non-crit or weakspot hit.
it's white for you?
jovial aurora
i absolutely had not so thank you
No problem dude
wicked zenith
serene sage
Not both at once
I think Long Shot can get it there no?
serene sage
let me go home and test
tall torrent
Plasma has falloff
Only on carapace
jovial aurora
i absolutely had not so thank you
It also reduces file size by like half or more depending on the res you record at so I just run everything through it before I go to bed even I've had a long session
gusty bison
Only on carapace
Unyielding too
wicked zenith
it's white for you?
Yeah the 2825 is a white hit.
gusty bison
I cant rmb maniac
serene sage
i vaguely remember you can tap both
jovial aurora
It also reduces file size by like half or more depending on the res you record a...
Then delete the originals
tall torrent
It doesn’t falloff on maniac and flak
serene sage
Yeah the 2825 is a white hit.
wait but it should be orange right?
gusty bison
It doesn’t falloff on maniac and flak
Ill check. This might be true
serene sage
im just confused
glacial yacht
i gotta go to work sorry to confuse everyone
wicked zenith
@serene sage I meaning it's a normal hit, not a weakspot or a crit. You can oneshote ragers without any damage buffs on the gun.
jovial aurora
I could get all techy but it's better to record at higher resolution and handbrake down to a manageable size rather than recording at a lower res than native
terse idol
Man I swear some of yall never heard of transcoding before and it shows
Looks its all funky
Because I've never seen this
jovial aurora
Looks its all funky
What?
terse idol
jovial aurora
Oh you mean it's not pretty and crazy advanced ui?
They have ones for that but it's better to just learn handbrake lol
serene sage
Man I swear some of yall never heard of transcoding before and it shows
implying there's a ciscoded option
jovial aurora
Oooo
terse idol
I play vanilla
jovial aurora
Mb
tiny summit
That video has been passed around a lot too
crude ermine
Fingers still hurt
serene sage
Huh?
Sorry I'm confused
yeah but have you heard of transcoding though
terse idol
I forgor
crude ermine
Probably shouldn't play psyker
terse idol
yeah but have you heard of transcoding though
I only know cis coding but I am getting knowledge
🥹
tiny summit
Fingers still hurt
Time to get a grip trainer
crude ermine
Not yet
terse idol
I only know queercoding
crude ermine
Soon
serene sage
Fingers still hurt
what did you do
crude ermine
Practiced ramlethal combos then went to play psyker
tiny summit
LMB psyker gaming
tiny summit
I should playing fighting games regularly again
frank basin
Is a burnout to play game regular for 20 mission
crude ermine
At least I'm good at both of those things now
terse idol
That's an addiction
crude ermine
But OW
jovial aurora
I really gotta get out of this dorktide slump
frank basin
Dorktide
sterile wadi
Man Palworld is fun
jovial aurora
Slaughterer 4 has been fucking cruel to me
I got a literally perfect deimos yesterday
frank basin
Righteous slaughter 7
jovial aurora
Then hadron gave it +2 stam and weakspot and a shit blessing but it did get deflector 4
So I did this to it in silent protest
frank basin
Lmao
wicked zenith
I trashes so items till I got the 1 literal perfect which was one of those deimos.
jovial aurora
I had no clue that deimos was this savage tho
wicked zenith
@jovial aurora
jovial aurora
Tbh not having damage annoints on it isn't the end of the world
Fucker is a menace all on its own
frank basin
<@646391497226190879>
So you combine with wildfire?
wicked zenith
Wildfire rarely goes off as it oneshots alot of stuff. It does work when it doesn't one-shot yes like on bosses muties or orgyns. You literally don't want breakpoints for 1 shot's if you are going for wildfire.
jovial aurora
Yeah the sword one taps almost everything short of mauler without damage perks lmfao
And I didn't know this but it fucking eviscerates
wicked zenith
Wildfire helps make up on maulers etc, just never do the charge (warp charge) attack it's a dps loss and wildfire proc loss, and it puts you in a stupid get wtfpwned unable to act mode
jovial aurora
Wildfire helps make up on maulers etc, just never do the charge (warp charge) at...
An evisceration
The actual weapon does this too
wicked zenith
The evis has a reason for it, but it's a sole blessing, IF you rev it and stun a crusher they will die from a one-shot when built right, but it will be from the bleed.
(the older evis Idk anything on the new one)
frank basin
New one attack pattern is cc
jovial aurora
Have you tried the eviscerating poke on demos?
white minnow
special h1 and special h2 do the same damage
wicked zenith
the old one has a cc pattern too, I forgot how to start it but it goes light Heavy and it is two wide arc hits.
frank basin
Old one is mixed
wicked zenith
like two baseball bat swings
jovial aurora
I don't understand how people like the eviscerator
It's so slow lol
Almost have to get a speedy gun to run with
wicked zenith
The bleed oneshot mechanic is fun
jovial aurora
I like hsword and crits lol
jovial aurora
Oh so you could probably get away with Rev it up and bloodletting
wicked zenith
I don't think any other weapon has Rev it up.
jovial aurora
Axes and swords have it
trim steppe
all the chain weapons have rev it up
wicked zenith
It's really bad unless you are just running speed run match.
jovial aurora
Idk if it don't feel good it's not fun to me
wanton dawn
I genuinely have more success this week with bayonet than my other meta build in maelstrom
jovial aurora
Evis is slow as shit
wicked zenith
It feel good to dodge alot of spawns as you outrun alot of the mobs. You can clear way faster but pugs don't speed run.
jovial aurora
Or just feels like it idk
wicked zenith
But killing it's like bleh in mud.
The other one is fine, not great not bad. FUn to grind into crushers like a boss.
jovial aurora
Either way thoroughly impressed by the power of the deimos
junior needle
What are all the witches doing in the vet channel
wicked zenith
I play everthing pretty much equally
modest sapphire
what is a "salvo" in blessing terms on a weapon
wicked zenith
Burst
jovial aurora
I play everthing pretty much equally
Same
Except ogryn
Haven't found a niche for him that I thoroughly enjoy yet
wicked zenith
Orgyns get stupid toughness and health def. You can literally walk through stuff with one build. Although killing is a different manner (you do cc alot by knocking them down)
jovial aurora
Just got kickback and mkv shovel and that's pretty much what mine does lol
wicked zenith
Kickback or rumbler, and Knife or Club is mine.
jovial aurora
Although I find myself wishing other ogryns were running something similar when they are running a oddball build
junior needle
what is a "salvo" in blessing terms on a weapon
An indeterminate period of firing between resets of your recoil. If you magdump, that is one salvo. If you shoot 3 shots and stop, that's also a salvo.
jovial aurora
Salvo is weird on semis tho cuz you can tap it pretty back to back without ruining Salvo
jovial aurora
Kickback or rumbler, and Knife or Club is mine.
It's hard not to justify running the charge ability lol man that ability can straight turn the tide of a game
languid terrace
Been looking through Scion's codex. Is this the one those Scab gunner use?
wicked zenith
@jovial aurora Every orgyn build I use has the charge I can't stand to be without it.
One of the two shotgunners use the same gun as we do, but it has a drum mag. It could be either the medium or light variant, Color-wise it sure as hell isn't brown to be the heavy (They may of changed it since I last paid close attention)
muted knot
Been looking through Scion's codex. Is this the one those Scab gunner use?
Similar
frank ether
why does the damage stat make very little diff for rashad
wanton dawn
Hey
hollow ibex
hmm how's this?
hollow ibex
i heard FF wasn't very good or something
oh wait bruh
these are the only blessings for braced?
so no sutained fire that i'd prob want on agri IAG or dumdum
💀
thought braced gets sustained fire / dumdum too
hollow ibex
Sus fire would be pretty bad on brautos
sus fire 💀
for sus fire can't you just stop firing for a sec and then a new salvo would start?
might be misunderstanding salvos
haven't tested it myself
junior needle
Yes, but you typically want to keep firing them in the ranges they excel at. While you can burst fire the agri fairly effectively for shooters, it doesn't exactly need help there.
hollow ibex
yeah fair
junior needle
This is the issue of salvo blessings on full auto oriented guns (recons have salvo blessings too)
hollow ibex
resetting the salvo is a dps loss
ok, fixed the gun
i feel much better about it now
bitter turtle
i heard FF wasn't very good or something
It's mediocre but you don't have many choices on brauto
Can run stripped down if you want tho
hollow ibex
oh wait bruh
yea just realized it has a grand total of like 6 possible blessings
no wonder hadron didn't brick it immediately
junior needle
Ff is fine, the damage is not actually limited by range currently
Checked it myself
frank ether
i heard FF wasn't very good or something
you dont have another damage option
and its not bad
sonic marlin
how good is this
junior needle
They should revert close range to 15m
umbral scaffold
I remember when dumdum was described as close range
I found out it was infinite and started telling everyone
junior needle
how good is this
Meh, the caxes are very stat dependent for bruiser breakpoints which is why it’s a pain to make a good one
You have some wiggle room depending on how much damage you take in the tree
But 69 damage is not a good start
bitter turtle
I remember when dumdum was described as close range
It's close range dmg but it stacks at all ranges
frank ether
They should revert close range to 15m
what was even the reason for the change
bitter turtle
Based on the wording
sonic marlin
finally done
junior needle
It's close range dmg but it stacks at all ranges
It’s bugged and uses the code for anoint in blood
It works up to 25m
With declining effectiveness the further you go
bitter turtle
That might explain why I didn't notice a difference with it testing at long ranges then
junior needle
Should be kept like that, close range damage is stupid as a concept
frank ether
just buff close damage back to 15m
it might even make speedload not garbage
that also uses close damage kills no
bitter turtle
Does speedload still not work with melee kill anymore
That was actually good
Idk why they changed it
frank ether
I dont know why fs does anything they do
it went from being an actual option to garbage tier
umbral scaffold
Because we can't have shit in Atoma
bitter turtle
Speedload sainted gunslinger revolver on zealot was actually cool
umbral scaffold
Before the change I used surgical and speedload on revolver
serene sage
Speedload sainted gunslinger revolver on zealot was actually cool
can you speak Vet? im not familiar with the zealot dialect
umbral scaffold
May we one day have TWBS and dance of death be the talents preceding sainted gunslinger
serene sage
May we one day have TWBS and dance of death be the talents preceding sainted gun...
we did
and then we didn't 
bitter turtle
All the reload talents combined with speedload makes you put bullets back into gun veri fast
serene sage
thank you
umbral scaffold
serene sage
is reload that big on revolver? my impression is that you quip it out to kill specials and that's about it for zealot?
so you can reload in downtime
frank ether
All the reload talents combined with speedload makes you put bullets back into g...
it dooooes, except guess who shoots guns at 7 meters? no one
or well, I'm sure someone does
umbral scaffold
I mean, yeah but also what if you need to shoot 6 times
bitter turtle
Most people still ran surgical
But I liked it for the comfy
Sometimes there's more specials than boolet
And you reload fast enough that a single push gave you enough space when the two stacked to get a full clip back
untold mulch
it dooooes, except guess who shoots guns at 7 meters? no one
Shoot at 1 meter like a Boomer shooter
frank ether
I'm trying really hard to understand why people think bolter is a bad gun
bitter turtle
it dooooes, except guess who shoots guns at 7 meters? no one
I mean it's pretty bad after they made it not work on melee kills
But before it made more sense
untold mulch
I'm trying really hard to understand why people think bolter is a bad gun
Is awkward in handling
But the problem is mostly overtuned plasma and revolver making bolter "inferior"
frank ether
I played bolter/combat axe for my entire session today and basically went around one/two shotting elites entire day and absolutely decimating bosses
I dont even use exec stance
untold mulch
I played bolter/combat axe for my entire session today and basically went around...
Its so fun
compact oak
Recommendations on what I should change on this?
untold mulch
Sustained fire and I guess specialists
frank ether
Is awkward in handling
But the problem is mostly overtuned plasma and revolver ...
yeah it can suffer from suppression but there is a talent for that
the little bit of shake doesnt feel bad
given it can two shot bodyshot gunners
untold mulch
yeah it can suffer from suppression but there is a talent for that
Yeah I got that one in exchsnge of not having 8 stacks of tag
frank ether
or even one shot
untold mulch
The shake is weird
frank ether
its a big bulky thing that can bodyshot murk gunners
untold mulch
Sometimes it feels like the gun just went its own way
My problem is that is not consistent
frank ether
its a little rng sometimes
untold mulch
Slmetimes it feels like it bugs out
frank ether
yea it could be more consistent
trim steppe
Recommendations on what I should change on this?
sustained to onslaught, specialists to maniac
untold mulch
Fair
frank ether
its annoying sure but hardly a real problem
serene sage
a speedrun I did 5 years ago was asked about
I wanna cry 😭
manic vortex
which should i go for? One has better stats and the one with worse stats can get headtaker iv or unarmored enemies to 25%
frank ether
I'd take the second one
untold mulch
its annoying sure but hardly a real problem
I say is a problem
At least to me it throws me off
But not breaking
Just very annoying
serene sage
I played bolter/combat axe for my entire session today and basically went around...
Boltgun is so bad why would you ever use it
crude ermine
which should i go for? One has better stats and the one with worse stats can get...
Right, swap thunderous for BM and infested for whatever is good with rashad
frank ether
Boltgun is so bad why would you ever use it
bruh
frank ether
At least to me it throws me off
It kinda demands you play at a slower pace
line up shots
It works good for surgical
I still play deadshot surgical
serene sage
kinda based
frank ether
best part is its a ''support'' build
frank ether
fat dmr
you trade vraks stability for
very fat bodyshot damage
boss dmg
and well, suppression I guess
for whatever its worth
serene sage
vraks also has higher mag count
untold mulch
very fat bodyshot damage
Which I love
frank ether
15 vs 22 something with vraks 7 yeah
serene sage
yeah
serene sage
17 would be sweet
frank ether
yeah a little love wouldn't hurt
last parcel
bolter with can opener
serene sage
yuri you just can't slap a bayo on every gun and call it mission accomplished
serene sage
I will literally find you and take away your keyboards
bitter turtle
Everyone gets a bayonet
terse idol
Bolter with bayonet
Bayonett with a bayonett
serene sage
crude ermine
With 2k plasteel at my disposal I'll surely acquire a headhunter for my vraks
serene sage
clueless
celest vine
fossil basalt
Everyone gets a bayonet
Hi where do I sign up for my bayonet with additional bayonet I would like one bayonet royale
bitter turtle
Twin linked bayonets
fossil basalt
As the Militarum intended
hollow ibex
Power bayonet
shadow aurora
Power bayonet
We have chain bayonets so I wouldn't be surprised if they tried that
crude ermine
I swear to god
frank ether
they got hellgun, longlas
frank ether
dregs got to use a belt fed lmg
crude ermine
They stole them
shadow aurora
I would like a belt fed. On the left tree art for veteran theres someone wielding one so i feel like we might get one
frank ether
loose cannon has lines about calling dibs on decent guns around
doesn't even touch the longlas just sitting there in the carnival
iron marten
Have we actually ever seen any of the food they eat?
sonic marlin
not ideal right
bitter turtle
defintiely not
iron marten
I remember the professional vet saying to look out for grub
frank ether
blessings are not ideal to start
crude ermine
Welp last one
frank ether
you want brutal momentum on combat axe its a must have
iron marten
60% finesse…
iron marten
Are you trying to look for headhunter in general, or specifically t4 headhunter
iron marten
Ah, unlucky
crude ermine
Unfortunately, hadron doesn't like my vet
iron marten
Back to damnation farming you go
crude ermine
Darn
fervent sail
Why is everyone playing veterans, suddenly? It's been three days since I've been randomly grouped with anything but veterans (with the occasional zealot)
serene sage
Why is everyone playing veterans, suddenly? It's been three days since I've be...
We are built different
fervent sail
We are built different
ok then
fallen compass
Why is everyone playing veterans, suddenly? It's been three days since I've be...
Cool space gun man
fervent sail
Cool space gun man
Guldurn BOOM
fossil basalt
As far as statistics are concerned, people who haven't tried Vet since the rework are probably (finally) getting around to it since we're still in-between updates
fallen compass
I’m new to the game and it’s the only class I’ve tried so far
odd merlin
What lvl r u?
fallen compass
What lvl r u?
11 or 12 I think. Haven’t played in a few days
odd merlin
Best advice for new vets is make sure you take demolition stockpile. It's the most powerful talent in the game.
fallen compass
Sounds useful, I often even forget to use grenades lol
odd merlin
Yes! Your grenades are key to higher lvl play. Getting one every sixty seconds is $$$
upbeat loom
Voice of command is also a very intuitive ability that will allow you to make many more mistakes w/o being too punished while you learn. And makes you very useful to the team w/o any effort.
odd merlin
Shredders are great for clearing hordes and crowd control. Kraks stick to armored carapace and unyeilding. Both are very powerful. USe them as often a you can.
solar sky
How do y'all like running the knife? I was thinking that getting bleed from talents should let you take Mercy Killer AND Uncanny strike. In my testing, it's killing crushers and maulers in 3 hits, or two if I get a crit. Seems like pretty insane damage to me.
odd merlin
I like using mercy killer and lacerate on mine.
solar sky
That's what I used to run, but if you take serrated blade, you will get the bleed from ANY hit
Wondering if I'm onto something with this
upbeat loom
Lacerate is great for consistent horde dps, uncanny is also nutty, keeping the uncanny buff up while applying lacerate sucks.
odd merlin
I also like pairing it with the camo mod for the focus keystone. Those heavy attacks get me moving quick so I can keep my focus charges.
upbeat loom
If you take the crit nodes on the bottom right (on dodge and flat) I'd say go flesh tearer and uncanny.
crude ermine
Well
solar sky
That's what I did. Gonna play one with it soon, but I think this is pretty nasty for a setup. 60% weakspot damage after ANY one hit combined with rending from uncanny is MURDERING any elite I try it on
crude ermine
Silent poxburster strikes again
solar sky
Went infiltrate, kraks, and Focus
upbeat loom
Flesh tearer and repost also works, but obviously dodge conditional, so you need to keep that up.
odd merlin
Riposte is great to pair with back stabbing.
terse idol
Voice of command is also a very intuitive ability that will allow you to make ma...
Well to be fair its one of the easiest ults to use
Certainly why it's probably one of the strongest ults for vet
upbeat loom
Yup, great for any new player finding their feet.
crude ermine
Yep
Whilst I do believe exe stance can help with a player's positioning but it doesn't come close as the ease of use of VOC
odd merlin
VoC is clutch for those emergency reloads as well
upbeat loom
I'd always have iron will period.
upbeat loom
Stronks.
solar sky
I could drop close order killzone for it, but I've found I dont usually need it with infiltrate
odd merlin
You can also use it to push enemies into range of explosions
fallen compass
Thanks for the advice my fellow warhammer enjoyers
upbeat loom
So looks like your aim with this build is to mostly be shooting non armored threats, tap big stuff with knife for bleed and then spam heavies/push attacks and abuse mercy killer and uncanny. My big question is does mercy killer proc from the first hit due to serrated blade or does it take two?
solar sky
it takes two
but you can hit anywhere
and it applies the bleed
also, good summery, that is exactly what i'm thinking to do
upbeat loom
Yup. My thought is bleed stacks tick off so fast applying one and getting the damage bonus from mercy killer likely only occurs on larger elites you're spamming on. If you're knifing a bunch of horde as well, it might be better overall to drop mercy for flesh tearer.
And obv iron will, the rest is looking good imo.
solar sky
That's a good point
I'll have to test it out and see if hordes are an issue
If they are, i'll try the mk4 since its heavys kill hordes fast
upbeat loom
I doubt they're an issue, you could keep mercy w/o a problem, but just general clear speed might be higher.
umbral scaffold
All my homies hate iron will
odd merlin
Also consider suppression of graoners and pox walkers. they will stop in place and cower if not ranged.
trim steppe
If I play a normal damnation maelstrom I-E-F and an auric damnation maelstrom I-E-F, is there a difference?
umbral scaffold
Suppressing hordes is anti-halal
zealous depot
umbral scaffold
The new heavy laspistol seems pretty nice. Hows it hold up in 5/Auric?
odd merlin
Good if you're accurate enough.
white minnow
If I play a normal damnation maelstrom I-E-F and an auric damnation maelstrom I-...
normal maelstrom is normal intensity and auric maelstrom is high intensity
and i suppose the +tension modifier that auric has also applies to the maelstrom (basically shorter interval between spawns)
bitter turtle
How do y'all like running the knife? I was thinking that getting bleed from tale...
precog is better than mercy killer
but if you must take mercy killer, yes, get serrated from talents
uncanny strike is non-negotiable
umbral scaffold
Precog lasting 2 seconds is a big oofie tho
Funny damage, but sometimes having a more consistent lower damage is nicer
upbeat loom
They're playing a bit more ranged focused so likely not consistantly in the front, and if stuff gets locked down or otherwise CCed you aren't dodging.
umbral scaffold
When the game decides it didn't count
bitter turtle
They're playing a bit more ranged focused so likely not consistantly in the fron...
that is when you're using a gun
if you're up close with knife
you simply have to dodge
on knife
that's just how the weapon works
you dont exactly cleave through hordes
umbral scaffold
If the game wishes to grace you with a dodge proc, yes
bitter turtle
this is the first time ive heard of dodge procs getting ghosted so 🤷
upbeat loom
It honestly just doesn't have great uptime at 2 sec on a ranged focused build imo
wintry cove
just started playing vet what is combat blade good for lol
bitter turtle
It honestly just doesn't have great uptime at 2 sec on a ranged focused build im...
every single knife build is a ranged focus build
ebon umbra
just started playing vet what is combat blade good for lol
mobility. i'd prob learn other weapons first
bitter turtle
unless you're one of those ppl who think knives are good at horde clear
you take knife for mobility
upbeat loom
That's not quite true.
wintry cove
i see i see
tall torrent
just started playing vet what is combat blade good for lol
It’s a fun weapon
Kills elites decently well (not the best), also makes u go very fast
bitter turtle
so your gun has to pick up the slack
wintry cove
yeah it was fun to go fast
umbral scaffold
They're competent at it
wintry cove
i liked the knife flipping when i sprinted too
bitter turtle
They're competent at it
competent at what
elite killing? yes
horde clearing
no
they really are not
umbral scaffold
It requires some specific things and dealing with weird headshot hitboxes on lights
bitter turtle
idk how people cope into think they're ok at it unless they've never played another melee
it doesnt matter even if u hit headshots because knives have fuck-all for cleave
yes you can oneshot a single pox at a time
umbral scaffold
It's not coping if I have been testing it
odd merlin
The special action is so good on it nw. It makes haymaker sort of decent.
bitter turtle
idk how ppl can say the literal worst melee in the game at horde clearing is "ok" at horde clearing but idk lul
like its that way by design
umbral scaffold
Oh no, I can only one-shot one enemy at a time using the fastest melee in the game on a class that can get 25% attack speed for free
bitter turtle
why do you think new knife even exists
trim steppe
normal maelstrom is normal intensity and auric maelstrom is high intensity
and i...
thanks
bitter turtle
yes and any other weapon actually decent at horde with 25% attackspeed can cleave through multiple enemies at once
idk why you even bring those talents up
every weapon can use them
again
thats why they even made new knife
umbral scaffold
Because I'm saying you're wrong
bitter turtle
its supposed to be a more well-rounded knife
instead of a purely elite+mobility tool
u can go into the search bar rn
umbral scaffold
I understand people have misconceptions about knife, but the confidence you are talking with doesn't match the truth of the statement
bitter turtle
and search "knife horde"
and u can see how many ppl agree with you
but w/e do what you like
umbral scaffold
I don't need people to agree with me, only for what I'm saying to be right
If you want to measure truth by popularity, I guess water pressure does increase when you squeeze the hose and every physicist is a moron
bitter turtle
lol
wicked zenith
bitter turtle
i already appealed to logic
knife has no cleave
its naturally just going to be bad at horde
that is just a fact
umbral scaffold
Your logic is shit and so is your attitude, if I am to be honest about it
light hamlet
its naturally just going to be bad at horde
i think bleed blessings and fast attack speed are more than enough to make up for the knife's shortcomings in hordes
bitter turtle
i think bleed blessings and fast attack speed are more than enough to make up fo...
bleed knife makes knife ok-ish at horde by knife standards, kinda, but it really hurts the elite killing ability
light hamlet
bleed knife makes knife ok-ish at horde by knife standards, kinda, but it really...
could just go uncanny strike and flesh tearer, that would do fine
bitter turtle
since you sac either uncanny or precog/mercy killer
yeah but now we're talking like a 4/5shot on crushers vs 2 if you ran precog
personally I'd just take another weapon at that point
maybe 5 exaggerating but even with mercy killer ppl get 3shot on crusher
so you're definitely going to 4 at least
upbeat loom
I see plenty of bleed knife vets with onslaught autoguns downing the armor or handgun/plasma, they've got the knife out 90% of the time and just shoot specials and some elites.
light hamlet
mind you i'm a knife purist but only on zealot, for vets i stan the rashad and the shovel
upbeat loom
And they do just fine.
bitter turtle
you can do fine with grey guns
ofc you can do alright with bleed knife
but there's a reason people meme on it for the most part
upbeat loom
Fine as in soloing auric mal with plenty of videos up on youtube of it
gusty crane
Some people just want to play the game on easy mode. That's alright. But any weapon can be fit to do just about any task.
Are other things better at it? Perhaps, that doesn't mean the first one is unusable.
bitter turtle
Fine as in soloing auric mal with plenty of videos up on youtube of it
link?
light hamlet
you can do fine with grey guns
then ultimately there's no argument to be had, like, ever, since all that really matters is how the weapon feels to the player
"be urself lol"
gusty crane
then ultimately there's no argument to be had, like, ever, since all that really...
Truth.
bitter turtle
then ultimately there's no argument to be had, like, ever, since all that really...
no, im saying the argument that "i can use it and clear" isn't really a defense of the weapon
you can use literally anything in this game and clear
umbral scaffold
I still need to get off my ass and farm a knife roll with crit damage and weakspot to see if it offsets the lack of an infested perk
light hamlet
if everything is viable, arguing over minutiae makes you look mentally unsound
gusty crane
doesnt make it a good gun
I think it's the best gun. 🙂
bitter turtle
if everything is viable, arguing over minutiae makes you look mentally unsound
if ur saying that discussing what is optimal on our weapons is mentally unsound
then
im not sure what to say
terse idol
I think it's the best gun. 🙂
Okay
ebon umbra
viable to a degree lol. i dont expect most people to be able to lug around a recon on auric mael for the luls
terse idol
I mean I'm jumping in quick to say
bitter turtle
no 
terse idol
Your subjective opinion means less than the numbers
bitter turtle
^
terse idol
🥹
bitter turtle
like subjectively enjoy whatever u want
but if you want to talk about what is good
terse idol
Yes all weapons are useable
ebon umbra
Your subjective opinion means less than the numbers
my numbers are subjective 
bitter turtle
then you cant just go backpedal and go "but everything can be used!"
gusty crane
Your subjective opinion means less than the numbers
Not to me, it doesn't.
bitter turtle
idk why people get emotionally attached to their weapon loadouts lol
if someone tells me v7 is bad compared to revolver idc
i still use it
ebon umbra
"just as good" mentality
umbral scaffold
I mean, when the word "competent" already causes someone to start going on an "akchywally" spree, it's annoying
terse idol
Its why we even have these optimal/suboptimal/OP/UP discussions in the first place so we can like judge based on the numbers and create opinions on whether or not something should be buffed or nerfed or something
light hamlet
if someone tells me v7 is bad compared to revolver idc
"idk why people get emotionally attached to their weapon loadouts lol"
bitter turtle
i think competent is just a strange word to use for the weapon in the game that is the worst at horde clear by design lol
umbral scaffold
I'm here trying to do something interesting with knife and dedicating my time to it, and what I get is "stop, ur coping lol"
bitter turtle
even the toher guy who talked about knife vets in solo auric paired with brauto supposedly
terse idol
I just think it's useless just using only subjective opinions without also viewing the objective lense that some of these choices aren't gonna perform well
bitter turtle
I'm here trying to do something interesting with knife and dedicating my time to...
you can do it
me saying
its not good at horde clear
doesnt mean
"stop playing the game wrong u chud" or something
i did bayonet only run for fun
umbral scaffold
I think you don't need to be an asshole about it
bitter turtle
not shooting on purpose lol
umbral scaffold
It's not that hard
bitter turtle
ok
terse idol
I mean, is saying "it isn't good on horde clear" being an asshole
bitter turtle
this is genuinely
terse idol
🥹
light hamlet
imo you shouldnt be dumping ammo into hordes ever
bitter turtle
i didnt say ur bad for using it
umbral scaffold
Saying it's hurr durr cope is being an asshole
light hamlet
That's your opinion
don't know what that word is. sound like "fact."
umbral scaffold
The defensive attitude justifying being an asshole is being an asshole
terse idol
I don't know where you're going with this
umbral scaffold
Turns out acting like an asshole is a requirement for being an asshole
And there are some people who can take issue with being belittled out of nowhere
terse idol
Okay so basically scrolling up a tiny bit sure there were words thrown around, like you being okay with the knifes horde clear is fine, but knives certainly aren't geared towards horde clearing
The whole "cope" seemingly was directed at the whole and maybe not you
bitter turtle
where am i saying ur bad or something
umbral scaffold
Jesus fucking Christ, you're dense
terse idol
Its the cope in the sense that you said that people were coping by saying the knife has good horde clear, which, I wouldn't word it that way but yeah I guess it did hurt manurits feelings
bitter turtle
well mb then
neat stratus
I wouldn't say knife has good horde clear, moreso that it works well enough to make it useable if necessary
bitter turtle
its quite good at stalling a horde at least, kinda like thammer
sonic marlin
whats finesse
bitter turtle
you can pretty much hold them in place forever
bitter turtle
whats finesse
critical/weakspot dmg, attackspeed on some weapons
check the inspect menu and hover over finesse
it should tell you exactly what
umbral scaffold
I've seen bad horde clear in the form of the old dueling sword, which didn't have the damage to reliably kill poxwalkers but also didn't have the cleave, so the result was absolute suffering
You were slamming your head against a concrete wall playing that travesty
neat stratus
you can pretty much hold them in place forever
Yeah like it probably wouldn't be my first choice for that, but its not like it won't work at all
neat stratus
^ exactly, knives are meant for single target to begin with
bitter turtle
if u dont know what im talking about
terse idol
Yuri was just saying exactly that
sharp ember
the new knife didn't scratch the horde-clear itch i wanted
upbeat loom
It's just the way it's delivered. You came into a convo regarding a gun focused build with an elite clear knife in it, for which a suggestion was made to help it's horde clear as the gun isn't great at that w/o being an ammo hog. You've much too focused on the "knife isn't a horde clear weapon."
terse idol
Its cool feeling though
bitter turtle
It's just the way it's delivered. You came into a convo regarding a gun focused ...
no, i came into the discussion to say that precog is generally a better pick of a blessing
it diverted into whether knife can horde clear effectively as a tangent
neat stratus
I'm mostly just saying that knife isn't a horde clear weapon, the rest of the convo isnt really there for me
bitter turtle
not that mercy killer is a bad blessing
probably the 2nd best after precog imo though
sonic marlin
manic vortex
charge rate just refer to charged attack right? So is this fine?
umbral scaffold
The new knife heavies would benefit from better headshot priority, as would the lights on both I think
terse idol
charge rate just refer to charged attack right? So is this fine?
you can try
There was discussion of how the charge rate might affect the left click
Wouldn't be bad to test it
umbral scaffold
Aiming at the forehead or having specific angles you can attack from without the arm or shoulder getting in the way really kills some of the appeal
steep harbor
my zealot is bleed knife while my veteran is haymaker knife C:
umbral scaffold
Imagine Darktide but if your crosshair was anywhere on the head it meant you'd headshot the enemy
One can dream
steep harbor
charge rate just refer to charged attack right? So is this fine?
I almost never fire the overcharge, it creates way too much heat and uses too much ammo, the regular fire shoots fast enough and can stagger. I think overcharge is uesful if you happen upon a shotgunner pack and they're in about a straight line
steep harbor
Imagine Darktide but if your crosshair was anywhere on the head it meant you'd h...
i feel like scabs have bigger "heads" than dregs C:
umbral scaffold
It's unfortunate they missed some weapons when they did the headshot priority patch
Now I gotta wait two years for them to finish the rest
Funny too
steep harbor
next enemy type has weak point on the back of their hands kappa C:
umbral scaffold
It made rashad go from bottom of the barrel to the quintessential melee weapon
All because it got its headshot priority fixed
Granted it was a specially broken case
wise fossil
charge rate just refer to charged attack right? So is this fine?
Charge rate is LMB and RMB
terse idol
I almost never fire the overcharge, it creates way too much heat and uses too mu...
you'd still do more damage just
left click spamming the shotgunner pack
umbral scaffold
Cleave moment
lapis osprey
hollow ibex
what are the meta blessings for kantrael shotty again?
flechette?
and scattershot?
rich tapir
before I dump into it is there a recon las gun to avoid?
hollow ibex
all of them
jovial hinge
gloomy dove
Damn
umbral scaffold
before I dump into it is there a recon las gun to avoid?
The green one was the most abysmal DPS that I remember
I think it was the same damage per shot as the fastest and lower fire rate, but I could be mixing it with brautos
zealous otter
I think it was the same damage per shot as the fastest and lower fire rate, but ...
Same damage, better range falloff. Substantially worse DPS overall though, especially if playing vet with stacking brittleness
polar kayak
should i keep savage sweep or change it to somethign else? i have wrath...
trim steppe
should i keep savage sweep or change it to somethign else? i have wrath...
savage sweep is 👍
umbral scaffold
I'd put shred to squeeze some funny damage out of it
bitter turtle
before I dump into it is there a recon las gun to avoid?
6d is the best oif the family
though they're all pretty bad
umbral scaffold
I run mine with shred and reciprocity
bitter turtle
avoid 2 like the plague the most
umbral scaffold
Disgusting
umbral scaffold
7a is okay, but definitely the worst to stack onslaught
I wish it scaled with fire rate or something
bitter turtle
i dont think onslaught needs to be any better tbh
umbral scaffold
The fast shit has a big advantage
bitter turtle
unless you mean nerf it for fast fire rate
umbral scaffold
Well, I dunno
I was thinking something like normalizing the time it takes to max it based on fire rate
trim steppe
Different types of weapons have different talent interactions, i think thats a good thing. shouldnt worry about scaling each talent per weapon type, thatd get weird
bitter turtle
its an honestly borderline busted talent
umbral scaffold
Say, a gun with 10 RPS gets 16 max stacks, but a gun with 5 gets 8 or something
bitter turtle
so i think making it usable for slow firing guns too is going in thse wrong direction for it
its already probably too good for fast ones
polar kayak
i have another one with shred and blood letter lv3, as my other chainsword, i'll see if i can put reciprocity on there
umbral scaffold
And in theory it gets guns to apply the same brittleness in the same time
Though admittedly that talent being so good for automatic guns is a problem
One could argue crits should be taking that role
bitter turtle
right now, deadshot fills the roll for anti-armor for slower firing weapons
deadshot surgical basically
that or the weapon just punches holes in armor to beginw ith )lmao plasma)
trim steppe
And in theory it gets guns to apply the same brittleness in the same time
Bad take imo, the talent is better for fast guns just like deadshot is better for slow guns. Not all talents should work with all weapons/builds
Otherwise we should scale down stam drain on high rof guns for deadshot, right?
umbral scaffold
That's a bit weird
We know high rate of fire guns work on crit strings, for example
frank ether
Bad take imo, the talent is better for fast guns just like deadshot is better fo...
yet devs went out of their way to nerf shock trooper crit strings for recon, curious
umbral scaffold
My problem with deadshot being onslaught for slow guns is that it... kind of isn't. It's a 25% crit talent being compared with 40% rending and the crit will be subject to the crit jank of the weapon
bitter turtle
well that's what im saying
onslaught is probably already too good
deadshot is already a very good talent
onslaught is just "lol what is armor" for any fast weapon
polar kayak
I run mine with shred and reciprocity
you do shred and rampage?
frank ether
onslaught is not just armor pen its brittle lol
umbral scaffold
Rending is rending independent of weapon, but deadshot cannot be onslaught for slow weapons because they work differently
frank ether
if onslaught was rending it would be overpowered
umbral scaffold
Oh yeah, true
frank ether
its already pretty strong as brittle too
bitter turtle
if it was rending that would be ridiculous ya
bitter turtle
that part isnt important, it would be stronger as rending bc you can carry it over to the next target if it was rending
you need to stack it inedependently on each target at the moment bc its brittleness
which is fine mind you, like i said, its probably already too strong of a talent tbh
umbral scaffold
True, there is that downside
trim steppe
My problem with deadshot being onslaught for slow guns is that it... kind of isn...
Im not saying they are ying yang talents or anything, I'm saying that different talents complement different weapons and builds.
umbral scaffold
Or upside depending on the situation
trim steppe
Not every talent needs to be viable and good with every weapon
serene sage
chat, I am officially a nerd
bitter turtle
anyway, i wasnt saying deadshot/surg combo on slow guns is literally rending
bitter turtle
but the crit lets you punch through armor if that is wha tyou want
that's largely hte point of it for most of the guns who pick up dead+surg tbh
since they usually can oneshot light targets already
frank ether
I just dont understand how deadshot is comparable to onslaught
zealous wyvern
are you just now a nerd? did you just build and paint your first minis?
frank ether
they're kinda uh
zealous wyvern
took you that long?
frank ether
different things
bitter turtle
I just dont understand how deadshot is comparable to onslaught
its not comparable in the sense that they do the same thing
serene sage
took you that long?
😔
umbral scaffold
Not every talent needs to be viable and good with every weapon
Wouldn't it be good, though?
bitter turtle
the context was
zealous wyvern
good job on the paint
bitter turtle
they said onslaught should also be adjusted for fire rate
zealous wyvern
it looks like it was done by an experienced player
bitter turtle
so it stacks to max quickly for slow guns too
bitter turtle
and i was saying slow guns deal with armored enemies with crits through deadshot/surg
serene sage
im just built different
frank ether
deadshot tax is a little bs on a lot of weapons so adjusting it is understandable
bitter turtle
so there's no need for that
serene sage
not really i spent the whole fucking day on those 3
zealous wyvern
i am currently building my killteam kriegers and will just make them all troopers to practice on
they will give their life
frank ether
onslaught doesnt need you to build your curios or other talents around it
zealous wyvern
for the Emperor
frank ether
its different
serene sage
I want to pivot into Grey Knights maybe
bitter turtle
well
zealous wyvern
i bet they will suffer
terse idol
chat, I am officially a nerd
