#veteran-class
terse idol
jaunty fiber
The other clas chats give a shit about documentation
terse idol
Whaaat
jaunty fiber
Outside of that, no idea
terse idol
No no no
serene sage
We are very shooty with many different weapons and playstyle
We have a lot more ways to min max
jaunty fiber
You have a gun document that's hand typed and formatted like a high school paper
serene sage
So with more possibilities come more contentions
jaunty fiber
That's like...it
terse idol
We have contentious videos that we all gotta dog pile and argue on
Because the videos about vet are burning a hole in me
idle carbon
someone aught to post a really bad class breakdown akin to an ogrynomicon for vet, then just wait for the corrections to roll in and have the community do the heavy lifting lol
tall torrent
I just did the maths
Gloryhunter IV +25%
Confirmed Kill +30%
Both combined +55%
I have 163 toughness
That’s 89.7 toughness on one elite proc, which is around 13 toughness for everybody else
jaunty fiber
Anyway, I do wish I didn't have to stitch together screenshots to show of my scuffed kit
torpid sundial
So is it possible to use a melee build with a knife
torpid sundial
also Mk 6 or Mk 3 for the knife
tall torrent
Usually don’t have that high toughness
tall torrent
So a 13 toughness gain for a psyker is like his 10%
serene sage
Use this website
jaunty fiber
tall torrent
If u really think abt it
jaunty fiber
The tree's just the one from the video
No I mean yeah there's the planner but it doesn't show you what I actualy have
serene sage
Try taking Gunner Resistance on your curios, at least 2 of them
It will change your life
jaunty fiber
I mean I'm using what I have
Curios are kind of a hassle
I'm still trying to get my weapons right before i start dumping plasteel into these
torpid sundial
if gunner res extended to basic ads gunners it would be so much better
serene sage
To block and sprint
serene sage
Change it to gunner resistance, it's relatively cheap
terse idol
Curios are kind of a hassle
Hmm, why sprint efficiency?
serene sage
if gunner res extended to basic ads gunners it would be so much better
Still best perk for curios though
Extend to shooter is OP
jaunty fiber
It just feels good to be able to sprint a lot. Leave me with more stamina to push and stuff with
tall torrent
Hmm, why sprint efficiency?
If you’re using less stamina to go to places then u have more stamina when u enter melee
jaunty fiber
Don't need the block eff though
terse idol
hmmhmhmmhmhmm
tall torrent
And u can sprint really long
jaunty fiber
Yeah just those two rolls makes a huge difference
bitter turtle
very tiny
terse idol
Losing my mind on these fr
bitter turtle
lul
terse idol
Also
bitter turtle
but yeah drop block efficiency and combat ability imo
terse idol
*scream
The Mx12 is a little better
Oh no why did I subject myself to this video again
serene sage
Just stop watching 
jaunty fiber
https://i.gyazo.com/92556bc4f8819fb7a8a25235826d86b6.png
Oh this is basically my tree already, I just have superiority complex and reciprocity instead
bitter turtle
yeah that's fine
recip is better than the other node
just takes more points to grab onslaught then
serene sage
https://i.gyazo.com/92556bc4f8819fb7a8a25235826d86b6.png
Thank God more and more people realize Catch a Breath is slightly better than Get Back
vernal harbor
colum v 🙏
how could i have been blind for so long
for reference because the director was smoking that evil blunt
honest to god the most highest of intensities ive ever seen that has to not be intended i promise it bugged out
vernal harbor
watching with mine own cadian purple orbs as group after group of specialists spawns in a room over and over
i mean its auric heresy
and a couple of the dudes left and joined so there were more they killed before they said fuck this
youre smoking that evil pack as well if you think 59 specials in a 30 minute match is casual
idk how many more i could have killed, just aiming straight and holding the trigger they were running into it
i would like to see a grenade stat though since thats my build, like how many i popped off and stuff
as you can imagine with the numbers you see, that % chance for a grenade to spawn in my pocket was very high
last thing a stupid ass sniper sees
tall torrent
Thank God more and more people realize Catch a Breath is slightly better than Ge...
GBITF needs a shorter cooldown or smth
jaunty fiber
@bitter turtleOh hey what would you do with this tree if I were to switch to power sword?
bitter turtle
<@160232264834220032>Oh hey what would you do with this tree if I were to switch...
probably drop desperado
and play around with breakpoints
for crushers
25% attackspeed powersword cleaves through hordes like butter so all that really matters is you can hit whatever breakpoint you want on a crusher and then dump the rest of the points in grenades or more gun dmg
in that case i'd probably dip into superiority complex
slate sleet
seeing a community guide from this place would be funny tbh
bitter turtle
it really depends on your psword though
slate sleet
the braindead redditor plasma psword meta build
bitter turtle
mine cant do the 2shot on crushers no matter how i build my tree
so
i'd go more into my gun dmg regardless since as long as it does the 3 shot it doesnt really matter to pick up more melee dmg for me
every other enemy gets turned to swiss cheese with the aspd boost on psword so you dont need to think too much on that
serene sage
the braindead redditor plasma psword meta build
Also vet balancing is weird
Every patch a new guide
Good luck
vernal harbor
the braindead redditor plasma psword meta build
we acknowledge what (on paper) is the meta but also laugh at those who exclusively chase it
neat stratus
Psyker is such a bad class god damn, it hurts so much to use
vernal harbor
i want to know if im just an asshole or if the public opinion is the same in thinking its boring and dry as hell
bitter turtle
idc what people play as long as it doesnt interrupt my fun
neat stratus
Generally you choose between horrible damage or horrible crowd control in comparison with any other class, and if you dare fight for your life, chances are youll either blow yourself up or get swarmed because you can't fight back against anything
Not saying it'd be horrible for everyone but god is it a downgrade from nothing for me
neat stratus
Or damage in general
sharp ember
however: illisi force sword and bubble dome
neat stratus
Killing more than one elite in a swarm is a nearly impossible task sometimes
vernal harbor
i may be wrong but i played psyker and loved it at launch then dropped in in feb.
serene sage
Killing more than one elite in a swarm is a nearly impossible task sometimes
I've seen trauma and surge does absurdly well though
vernal harbor
i think it was just brain burst when i played then they nerfed it
hybrid isle
Or damage in general
Gun Psyker does pretty well
neat stratus
Surge in particular is the worst weapon I've ever used in a game before
serene sage
So much so I'm tempted to invest in a good Surge staff
sharp ember
yeah trauma will stunlock an elite patrol and kill hordes if allowed to cook
thick wolf
damn those stats, ouch
neat stratus
It'll never target elites or specials when you need it to, and when it finally does it'll take 1-2 fully charged bursts to kill them
It suffers from pre-buff outcast engineer syndrome, unless your team is good enough you're doomed
And at that point why not just use zealot or veteran, the good classes that don't need no babysitting
vernal harbor
damn those stats, ouch
man i still havent in 600 hours seen (1) god damn dumdum i dont get it
serene sage
And at that point why not just use zealot or veteran, the good classes that don'...
I think surge waveclear and elite clear are fine?
It sucks at boss damage though
serene sage
Which is psykers im general
thick wolf
bricked
serene sage
Gunkers aside
neat stratus
They're ok at best, the primary, which is shared with practically every other staff is the main appeal to it for me
thick wolf
the emperor keeps fucking with me with these "gifts"
neat stratus
I've never disliked doing anything more than going to heresy or above with a surge staff but that's probably just me
tall torrent
Psyker is such a bad class god damn, it hurts so much to use
Scryer’s Gaze is pretty fun tho
sharp ember
more staff psykers means more ammo for me 
torpid sundial
Psyker is such a bad class god damn, it hurts so much to use
are you being sarcastic
sharp ember
even if i gotta peel the exploded ones off the floor occasionally
sleek garden
Have any of you found yourself grimacing in a bad situation like you're feeling it
torpid sundial
surge staff can pretty much carry HI damnations and even in auric because you can snipe elites and specials right as they spawn or appear
sleek garden
i find myself wincing mag dumping a bolter into a bunch of crushers
torpid sundial
also its the easiest low ceiling skill staff to use
slate sleet
we really need difficulty 6 and raider io or something
put a pin on people who actually know how to play the game so you can discard the redditor misinfo
sleek garden
i think the difficulty is fine as it is
neat stratus
also its the easiest low ceiling skill staff to use
Personally I've never had less fun using a staff
torpid sundial
Eh thats up to you
neat stratus
Or any ranged weapon tbf
torpid sundial
I've had fun with every class
thick wolf
rolled a profane ia lasgun, the stats are well-rounded I think?
torpid sundial
I don't think any less of any class, they're all good in their own way
neat stratus
Maybe I'm overexaggerating but man, I can't remember enjoying playing psyker
slate sleet
Generally you choose between horrible damage or horrible crowd control in compar...
its actually insane how wrong you are
torpid sundial
where you can experiment with all the weird builds
slate sleet
but its to be expected from people in here
slate sleet
game i just finished 5 min ago
torpid sundial
Your sample size of maybe 5-10 people?
thick wolf
hadron wtf did you do
neat stratus
Maybe it's just not built for my brain but I genuinely cannot enjoy or use psyker well
torpid sundial
How many games have you played with psyker and what are your builds
tall torrent
hadron wtf did you do
Salvageable but not most ideal
sharp ember
rolled a profane ia lasgun, the stats are well-rounded I think?
i’d be more worried about the hadron rolls, stats hopefully won’t cheat you out of any important breakpoints on a 1a
oh
thick wolf
yeah hadron fucked me over, again
sharp ember
i see
torpid sundial
like when I'm not going full support psyker I generally do the most damage
every game
thick wolf
time to farm more plasteel yippeee
torpid sundial
every damnation and auric game
thick wolf
well I guess its somewhat of an improvement over to my old one?
slate sleet
my psyker main friend gets 1mil dmg every time i drag him to play a game with me (he quit because the game is too easy)
thick wolf
torpid sundial
I do the least damage as brittle trauma shield smite psyker but who cares because I'm enabling my team to kill everything as easy as possible as fast as possible
So the stats dont even say everything
neat stratus
How many games have you played with psyker and what are your builds
Psyker is arguably my main class, in 200 hours it's my second most played class
I haven't played for a while though, figured I'd pick up builds from psyker-class and start at lower difficulties, just to figure out how they feel
fiery wave
I do the least damage as brittle trauma shield smite psyker but who cares becaus...
Smite and kickback melt everything
torpid sundial
yeh
sharp ember
my psyker main friend gets 1mil dmg every time i drag him to play a game with me...
just use bad loadouts on purpose like reddit sword to give yourself a challenge
thick wolf
the ranged damage perks don't give me much confidence in the recent roll however
torpid sundial
Have you tried LMB psyker :^)
slate sleet
he has used every single psyker weapon and loadout its too ez because psyker is the strongest class in the game by far
neat stratus
I can run anything on heresy just fine, but surge staff just aint it
thick wolf
how can I salvage this
slate sleet
i feel the exact same way but for veteran
torpid sundial
surge staff is very good idk what you're on about
neat stratus
Have you tried LMB psyker :^)
Use it roughly as much or more than the charged surge, bcause the lmb is actually good for me
torpid sundial
you can easily bring it to auric damnation easily
neat stratus
Clearly not
torpid sundial
Thats probably your problem then
sharp ember
how can I salvage this
gotta deal with 1 dead perk i guess, can’t even tell which is worse
torpid sundial
I've tried surge staff only builds
neat stratus
Maybe I have severe brain damage and shouldn't be let out of an insane asylum, maybe its just a me problem like I've been trying to say
torpid sundial
no melee no G
fiery wave
A true hadron moment
thick wolf
ughhhhh
torpid sundial
I think its sort of the playstyle and mindset
I did have trouble when I first started psyker
similar to ogryn
like you have to tune your gameplay and mindset
with each class
fiery wave
she bricked my shovel and she bricked my recent ia lasgun
She gave me 1.5 stamina
fiery wave
tis' a shotgun
neat stratus
with each class
I would have to assume so
Psyker is about as bizarre as placing an energy drink next to apples, oranges, and a banana
torpid sundial
it is the only spell caster class
neat stratus
Playstyle doesn't fit in with the others even slightly
torpid sundial
I would say ogryn's the major outlier though instead of psyker
tall torrent
It’s strange in like it’s the only class where you technically need to juggle between 3 weapons (blitz, melee & ranged)
torpid sundial
especially melee ogryn
torpid sundial
It’s strange in like it’s the only class where you technically need to juggle be...
that takes a bit to get used to
neat stratus
I can play ogryn off of experience from the other classes, Psyker is a different beast even after playing it for so long
tall torrent
I’m not that familiar with surge staff but isn’t that one of the best anti-special tools u can have on psyker
neat stratus
I like trauma more for that, crowd control too
torpid sundial
its autoaim, and arguably the best weapon for ventilation purge and lights out
because you wave your wand in a certain direction and you find enemies by killing them
30m away
neat stratus
Autoaim kinda screws me sometimes, targets the wrong enemies when there's a horde
torpid sundial
never really had that issue
maybe takes 2-3 tries but I can snipe elites and specials inside the horde
tall torrent
I’m pretty sure it still tries to focus on the target you’re directly aiming at
tall torrent
It’s like aiming brain burst
torpid sundial
You can definitely carry games with trauma without ever switching to your melee
But generally I'd say psyker scales better the harder the game is aka High Intensity
and packs of elites/specials
quartz sapphire
Overwatch penance is last, yet teams not willing to help
fiery wave
high int dogs smite + kickback
torpid sundial
Like I don't have to kite that much against a group of 10 crushers because every time they get up I can just make them fall over again
zealous wyvern
Overwatch penance is last, yet teams not willing to help
help with what
torpid sundial
Apart from dps its pretty important because it provides space for your entire team
tall torrent
But generally I'd say psyker scales better the harder the game is aka High Inten...
Psyker has one of the best -CD talents in the game so yea
quartz sapphire
Getting it, teammates been stopping me
zealous wyvern
by being bad?
torpid sundial
Finished all veteran penaces except this
quartz sapphire
No, like letting me have to deal with orde by myself
Because we LOVE penances that aren't based on teamworks
fiery wave
play with better players
quartz sapphire
I'm gonna try the ledge idea
zealous wyvern
overwatch is mostly
torpid sundial
which is a good autogun for stripped down?
tall torrent
which is a good autogun for stripped down?
As long as u run duck & dive, any (IAG / Braced)
It’s never a bad pick
torpid sundial
speedload for stripped down, elites to flak I guess
zealous wyvern
stamina curios help a ton
quartz sapphire
Yep, it skill, even when they get behind you without warning
zealous wyvern
yes
fiery wave
playing with randoms or on auric you should expect to solo parts of the game
tall torrent
speedload for stripped down, elites to flak I guess
I’d actually swap carapace to flak/maniac
torpid sundial
hrm
torpid sundial
yeah I think thats fine too
tall torrent
Braced autoguns just don’t kill crushers that well
quartz sapphire
I'll do the throw myself over the ledge thing
tall torrent
Carapace is somewhat redundant
zealous wyvern
theyll revive you
west rampart
has anybody bought that green revolver skin in the shop and realized the front aim post is gone?
torpid sundial
also you do hear sounds when enemies are about to attack you so you can block
fiery wave
I'll do the throw myself over the ledge thing
make a lfg game
tall torrent
has anybody bought that green revolver skin in the shop and realized the front a...
Yes lol
torpid sundial
I got it in a random damnation game the other day
fiery wave
terse idol
has anybody bought that green revolver skin in the shop and realized the front a...
yeah, it's a known bug seemingly
torpid sundial
somehow took 200+ ranged damage
terse idol
I didn't buy it
torpid sundial
and 0 melee
quartz sapphire
Since that the only penance I need to be done
terse idol
They are coming back frokm holiday
west rampart
yeah, it's a known bug seemingly
i bought it but i'm used to it now i just eyeball
quartz sapphire
Then can do the missions for fun while going for that black helmet
terse idol
theey'll fix eet
tall torrent
yeah I think thats fine too
Carapace -> maniac/flak (I think maniac?)
Speed load -> stripped down/fire frenzy
zealous wyvern
1 low intensity
2 stamina curios
3 melee build
4 not completely bad teammates
zealous wyvern
everything
torpid sundial
I mean compared to the other autoguns
white minnow
good bodyshot damage and not having to aim
tall torrent
what are braced autoguns good for actually
They’re surprisingly good at killing specials in a mixed horde
torpid sundial
white minnow
at least on the agri, the stagger and suppression is appreciable
tall torrent
The stagger is high enough to fend off ragers
And because of the cleave u can pick out flamers, trappers and bombers through a horde fairly well
U also kill hordes pretty fast with braced autogun
white minnow
i like to run agri brautos for basically 90% ranged damage games
just shoot that shit all the time and not have to worry about ammo
tiny summit
And because of the cleave u can pick out flamers, trappers and bombers through a...
But importantly. Shoot through ogryns
tall torrent
But importantly. Shoot through ogryns
Having the ability to shoot through teammate ogryns is actually such a huge bonus to gameplay
torpid sundial
I'm trying to find stripped down
and three whites to blues gave me terrifying barrage 3 three times in a row
hadron pls
at least give me other blessings to earn
thick wolf
me trying to find headhunter for my ia lasgun
opal dove
at least give me other blessings to earn
Dont forget to chek Uncle Melk from time to time. You might have luck with an Agri with that blessing
zealous wyvern
everyday on all 5 veterans
i got nothing i want since october
but i got some 4s for weapons i might use some day
opal dove
What do you want?
torpid sundial
Havent seen a PC4 still
zealous wyvern
i also want powercycler i suppose even though im not too fond of the weapon
torpid sundial
But even then I'm just annoyed by it that I'll probably never use the power sword
opal dove
I'm an old guardsman. Define "anything meta on the weapon"
zealous wyvern
there is more i want. i just forgot
torpid sundial
I've tried everything except braced autoguns and knives on veteran
zealous wyvern
anything thats toptier on respective weapon
zealous wyvern
melk never gives me blessings that are actually good recently
except uncanny on knife but i dont like knife so itll be a while until i get something out of that
torpid sundial
can you zoom as fast as zealots if you run knife
zealous wyvern
if you didnt cheat it well done
stark trench
I don't play knife zealot but the vet with a knife is very fast if you take the +speed node and even faster when you ult with invisibility
umbral scaffold
tac reload and volley adept on a revolver
im using something like this, ill be honest i think the reload talents could be better used somewhere else but the quick reload is cool
jaunty fiber
Bullshit aside, I'm starting to like the rachad Caxe
terse idol
What'cha got on it
jaunty fiber
Those heavies go hard
vernal harbor
That's all for me today
Hate that auric dam is the only ones that consistently have the fun conditions
jaunty fiber
Brutal momentum and...uhhhh
I don't remember
I closed the game and I'm allergic to logging into it right now so
But it's gud
terse idol
Headtaker, Decimatoe 
jaunty fiber
Uh, honestly? I don't really like any of these conditions
Save for the hounds or maybe lights out from time to time
But the damn ventilation or the hi intensity shit is just sweaty and tazing for no good reason
My hands are still shaking from the constant 11 I have to be set to to navigate those missions
Oh I think it's headtaker btw
terse idol
vernal harbor
Save for the hounds or maybe lights out from time to time
I want 4 chaos spawns, lights out and ten maulers sneaking up behind me and maybe I’ll feel something again
jaunty fiber
lol
vernal harbor
I’m not saying I’ll win those damnation conditions
In fact I’ll lose that’s why I won’t play that
jaunty fiber
Yeah nah, I'm not here for this "maybe I'll win" shit
vernal harbor
But I’d like lights out and other stuff in heresy more
jaunty fiber
I have materials to farm
jaunty fiber
rude
bleak tangle
should I??
vernal harbor
I’m not kidding lol
jaunty fiber
Look I can hold my own but I cannot hold the rest of the team's own too
jaunty fiber
I mean if I'm going to go down in levels I'm not going past malice
vernal harbor
should I??
Absolutely
vernal harbor
I wanted to try a gun so I did sedition and they never broke pace, full sprint, map over in 15 minutes
jaunty fiber
With how much actual plasteel banked?
bleak tangle
So it's salvageable?? I thought the perk+blessing is borked up
wispy hinge
god i want more plasteel
jaunty fiber
Like no kappa
wispy hinge
i feel like an actual homeless person
jaunty fiber
We'd have more plasteel if consecratino didn't lean on it so hard
You could swap the plasteel and diamantine costs on that one thing and bandaid fix the material economy instantly
wispy hinge
im gunna replace hadrons hydration oil with vinegar
thatll teach her to stop wasting all my plasteel
vernal harbor
So it's salvageable?? I thought the perk+blessing is borked up
it’s fucked there but you can keep hit and run I’d say
bleak tangle
yeah, I'd keep Hit&Run and +reload
vernal harbor
Mmm I take back my statement that’s pretty bricked and for 2400 melk bucks idk
bleak tangle
but I feel like my thinking alway have some flaw so I tend to ask you all first
vernal harbor
But that’s just me
I just looked at modifiers first glance
The perks and blessings are wild
bleak tangle
the modifier is very tempting lol
vernal harbor
yeah, I'd keep Hit&Run and +reload
stamina I’d say keep
Reload speed is whatever anyway since it’s a graia
Stamina might help something
jaunty fiber
Again I'd take the stamina any day
vernal harbor
Unfortunate perks and blessing
wispy hinge
if you use the aim down sights abilitiy itll be good probably
jaunty fiber
Especially on vet
It's not ideal obvi but it feels ok as a scuffed option when I gotta choose one
Like those base stats are not something I'd pass up
vernal harbor
But those 80s
jaunty fiber
Right?
vernal harbor
I’m a sucker for 80s
jaunty fiber
Exactly
bleak tangle
I feel like Melk read my mind and saw that I planned his murder today
wispy hinge
damn thats a good one
bleak tangle
like.... wft, coins ain't easy to find, man
strange sparrow
Perks is kinda mid but it’s alright if you’re into stripped down gameplay
bleak tangle
It no longer gave the speed boost so I kinda meh with SD now
vernal harbor
hadron dies first, barber second and melk third
polar kayak
thoughts on this?
vernal harbor
pass
bleak tangle
I like it tho, the purple gun
vernal harbor
melk will just put up straight ass and stand there for 24 entire hours like an asshole
polar kayak
thanks, i'll just earn the blessing
bleak tangle
mostly because I ADS and see all shot miss because I tap head is funny
vernal harbor
has ghost always been on weak spot???
polar kayak
hitting weak spots is hard 😦 and on maulers hitting their head is not weak
bleak tangle
Did It work different from Laspistol? I use it on Zealot to close in for hammer
vernal harbor
autogun go brrrrrrrrr
just aim a little above their forhead for a crowd
BUZZZZZZZZZ
weak spots until atoma is saved
mowing the smelly lawn
clear narwhal
Take a look if you'd be so kind, lmk what you think.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b20e76f-b1b5-44a1-825a-b535065729bf/braced-autogun-power-sword-pubstomp
vernal harbor
that thumbnail lmao
wispy hinge
thoughts on this?
youd have to get a real good second blessing for this not to be trash
vernal harbor
Take a look if you'd be so kind, lmk what you think.
https://darktide.gameslante...
i HATE weapon specialist so my only tweak would be fucking off with melee speed and weapon specialist and hitting the toughness and damage reduction in the middle and left tree
but my main grenadier build runs that combo and i say good build regardless
fresh grail
Based autogun enjoyer 💪
wispy hinge
i dont like weapon specialist or that one where you stand still
those are just so underwhelming
fresh grail
build looks fine, i love the BRauto gun because its good out of the box so you can make a really customized build around it
clear narwhal
i HATE weapon specialist so my only tweak would be fucking off with melee speed ...
Really? I've used the other keystones and was pretty underwhelmed by them, Popped this and it just clicked for me.
vernal harbor
Personally i dont use any keystones
clear narwhal
Based autogun enjoyer 💪
Agri BA, my beloved.
fresh grail
Take a look if you'd be so kind, lmk what you think.
https://darktide.gameslante...
If i were doing quickplay with this i would also take charismatic for the +50% aura, at the top. It's really handy in pub games
mostly cause more allies in coherency means more ammo for you
And people think i pick it to be supportive 
vernal harbor
Agri BA, my beloved.
clear narwhal
If i were doing quickplay with this i would also take charismatic for the +50% a...
Definitely something to consider, reccomendations on where I'd move the talent point from?
slate sleet
stinky build
fresh grail
powersword (with powercycler) and braced are good out of the box so really up to you
superiority complex is what i'd swap, 15% elite is nice but i'd rather have the aura radius
(if you really want a keystone)
clear narwhal
I do, like it a lot
fresh grail
auric heresy, the exact same conditions for all three
hi int shock troop gauntlet is the most fun. i love getting mauled by 20 crushers while my abilities are on cooldown
tiny summit
melk will just put up straight ass and stand there for 24 entire hours like an a...
at least brunt has some good stuff
vernal harbor
at least brunt has some good stuff
based brunt
slate sleet
stripped down with a deadeye build whats the explanation
clear narwhal
If you guys like the build I'd appreciate an upvote to get it off the ground, not a big deal tho, thanks for the feedback.
#veteran-class message
fresh grail
stripped down with a deadeye build whats the explanation
you sprint towards a nice flank, and then unload 💪
but tbh with the Agri you can take any blessings, none of them are really a 'must-have' imo
so stripped down can work if its how you play personally
slate sleet
anti synergy with deadeye
fresh grail
that's a good point indeed
clear narwhal
is it?
fresh grail
how often do you deadeye i suppose. But yeah i can see better synergies
clear narwhal
It's deathspitter
fresh grail
the issue is the stripped-down activate condition, and with deadeye you'll be on low stamina often
slate sleet
you can just sprint slide to avoid ranged damage its why you took duck and dive right?
fresh grail
It's deathspitter
we're going by this image
slate sleet
why do you need stripped down on top of it
fresh grail
duck and dive with stripped down works quite well
slate sleet
its unnessesary
clear narwhal
The duck and Dive & 2 stam regen, 3 sprint efficiency perks help with stam
slate sleet
you are overcompesation for something that is not a threat to begin with
clear narwhal
just stop running if you need stam for Deadshot*
fresh grail
Comes down to personal preference i'd say. BRauto works well with anything, but i don't know the guys playstyle, if he runs and guns a lot or hunkers down
clear narwhal
Assuming you mean Deadshot & not Deadeye
slate sleet
the build is not bad, its def not the worst ive seen but it just has a bunch of anti synergy
clear narwhal
It's nice not to have to play like an ADHD kid on Ritalin and just spam slide all the time :/
slate sleet
if you take 4%x3 cdr and have 6% on special kill you will shout nonstop
clear narwhal
if you take 4%x3 cdr and have 6% on special kill you will shout nonstop
that's the idea
Keep your team alive and get yourself some space to keep shooting
slate sleet
this make reciprocity worthless because nothing will even be hitting you
fresh grail
the way i do BRauto is (ab)use a lot of suppression so i never have to sprint slide. Coupled with the (totally) balanced toughness regen from the shout and you can just walk up 💪
slate sleet
how do you get crit chance from dodge if everything is either dead from powersword 1 swing or on the floor from shout?
clear narwhal
how do you get crit chance from dodge if everything is either dead from powerswo...
When you're fighting hordes with pwrsword it procs more often than you'd think, helps with healthier targets
can get pretty hectic
fresh grail
If it works for you then why not
slate sleet
i never see value out of it
fresh grail
it doesn't proc on my builds either often (so i stopped taking it), but i do see a lot of people advocating for the talent so 🤷♂️
clear narwhal
stacks up to 5 times too
slate sleet
also not taking close quarters killzone on a build with 2 essentially melee range weapons is a weird decision
slate sleet
15% dmg for 10 sec on a basically 50% uptime is kinda insane
fresh grail
80 damage 80 ammo 💪
All a space AK enjoyer needs
gusty bison
Who the F pinged me
slate sleet
does stripped down proc reciprocity
fresh grail
that's a very good question 
gusty bison
does stripped down proc reciprocity
Yes
slate sleet
proofs?
torpid sundial
thats awesome
gusty bison
It procs both DnD and Reci
bleak tangle
that gun
slate sleet
ok thats p good
bleak tangle
give it to me
polar kayak
80 damage 80 ammo 💪
All a space AK enjoyer needs
fatshark loves 80, 380 top rating...
fresh grail
i'll have to try it out for sure, to see how long you can keep the crit up
gusty bison
Has been this case for a year
torpid sundial
So it works for Ghost as well right?
clear narwhal
also not taking close quarters killzone on a build with 2 essentially melee rang...
Close Quarters Killzone, you mean this?
fresh grail
yeah, take the one on the left instead
slate sleet
slate sleet
i dont know i would not take weapon specialist or that side of the tree at all
but i guess its a hybrid build
clear narwhal
oh.. well. That'd be a different build altogher then
polar kayak
is veteran the best class?
slate sleet
survivalist and fully loaded assumes you want to be shooting alot
torpid sundial
knife braced gun build...?
gusty bison
Deadshot doesnt reduce spread
fresh grail
is veteran the best class?
all classes are the best class 💪
fresh grail
it does make it into a laser beam when trying to shoot snipers
gusty bison
Agri BA is a machine gun.
The hipfire has no spread
bleak tangle
but Ogryn is best boy
clear narwhal
The hipfire has no spread
How are you gonna hipfire a sniper
fossil basalt
Kraber has entered the chat
gusty bison
How are you gonna hipfire a sniper <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
With a grenade
fresh grail
works on my agri build, i like the extra accuracy but thats cause i always dump at least 5+ bullets downrange. It has value for sure
torpid sundial
who's the knife guy here again
gusty bison
works on my agri build, i like the extra accuracy but thats cause i always dump ...
Its not extra accuracy
As a note
Its sway reduction
fresh grail
when spraying it is
clear narwhal
With a grenade
Alternatively, just aim and shoot him, Agri BA kills in like one or two hits
polar kayak
when new veteran class skills?
gusty bison
Alternatively, just aim and shoot him, Agri BA kills in like one or two hits
U mean bracing it?
vernal harbor
who's the knife guy here again
me
torpid sundial
someone give me a good knife build for weapon specialist
gusty bison
It doesnt really affect bracing either
clear narwhal
U mean bracing it?
Yeah, same difference
clear narwhal
Well, it makes it accurate enough for me to crossmap snipers so :/
gusty bison
I guess it reduces the side to side sway but unlike IAG its not random
zealous wyvern
@ sunriseparabellum
slate sleet
this is what id take to shoot agri brauto all game long
torpid sundial
I want something a lil bit more flexible for weapon specialist
vernal harbor
and i get hate everytime i post it
fresh grail
burning stamina for the extra crit is nice too because (it feels like) it pierces through the horde a lot more, but again it comes down to personal preference. I quite like deadshot for killing the sniper thats 80m away quick, with a gun that has a lot of difficulty doing that normally.
torpid sundial
so you normally dont brace?
gusty bison
burning stamina for the extra crit is nice too because (it feels like) it pierce...
Crits dont have increased pierce sadly
:c
fresh grail
Probably just the extra DPS killing elites then
gusty bison
And crits on brauto do basically nothing
fresh grail
so you normally dont brace?
almost never, even with deadshot
slate sleet
deadshot is just a damage increase but the agri already does not struggle with shitting dmg
clear narwhal
this is what id take to shoot agri brauto all game long
Yeah, that's definitely a different build, you sacrifice some good damage with the Sword there
gusty bison
I think its like 1.3x
slate sleet
cringe sword needs 0 talents to do what it does
gusty bison
Which is terrible compared to the avg of 2.25x
torpid sundial
wondering if I should take onslaught just to be able to kill crushers easier with the agri braced
dusty sluice
damn brunt
fresh grail
That's true, but any crit better than no crit. Doesn't get as much value as other guns out of it for sure
slate sleet
wondering if I should take onslaught just to be able to kill crushers easier wit...
you honestly dont need to, if you have a melee like mk3 shovel that can deal with carap you dont need it
fresh grail
deadshot for me personally is just purely the sway reduction, and i like spraying too much
dusty sluice
damn brunt
should i grab any of these?
gusty bison
deadshot for me personally is just purely the sway reduction, and i like sprayin...
For the braced?
torpid sundial
Okay can knife kill carapace
slate sleet
yes
slate sleet
it 2 shots carap
gusty bison
Push attacks and heavies shred cara
clear narwhal
I also just really like the Power sword, whatever lets me be as effective as I can with these particular weapons makes me happy
slate sleet
everyone has a cringe redditor powersword phase
torpid sundial
knife 6 it is
slate sleet
you will grow out of it
polar kayak
same
clear narwhal
you will grow out of it
Maybe, but for now, and for about 250 hours I've enjoyed it
sterile hull
It's done, its finally done
slate sleet
i have a literally perfect godrolled powersword sitting in my inventory from a year ago and i dont even think about using it
boring slow unfun weap
gusty bison
PS used to be a braindead weapon that taught bad habits
slate sleet
it still is
clear narwhal
boring slow unfun weap
See, weapon specialist fixed the slow part :)
torpid sundial
sprint efficiency fr
gusty bison
Rashad is the new brain off melee
gusty bison
Possibly
clear narwhal
PS used to be a braindead weapon that taught bad habits
Wdym by this btw? I've heard this before but they didn't explain why?
dusty sluice
Rashad is the new brain off melee
thats knife tbh
clear narwhal
bad habits?
gusty bison
Nah knife actually requires some fundamentals
Like learning to push. Managing stamina. Dodging
slate sleet
activate poopsword > swing into anything > free kill
trim hemlock
Grawr, IDK if you paid attention to the ping
gusty bison
Grawr, IDK if you paid attention to the ping
I was asking who the fuck pinged me earlier lmao
trim hemlock
But I played the Helbro build with VoC/no keystone/MS aura
gusty bison
What waz ping
gusty bison
But I played the Helbro build with VoC/no keystone/MS aura
How did it go
polar kayak
i hate when hadron gives me a blessing i already have on a weapon thats 370+
trim hemlock
DECENT
gusty bison
Aye
clear narwhal
Like learning to push. Managing stamina. Dodging
well, I think that mostly depends on the player and not the weapon but ok.
trim hemlock
I can share the scoreboard if you’re fancy seeing the result
gusty bison
well, I think that mostly depends on the player and not the weapon but ok.
Nah psword also sucked at all of the fundamentals
torpid sundial
🤔
gusty bison
I can share the scoreboard if you’re fancy seeing the result
Bayo go brrr?
trim hemlock
It was an odd change of pace from switching to melee, to actively special-stabbing everything
gusty bison
Ps3 still sucks at the fundamentals
clear narwhal
thanks for the chat guys, gonna bounce for now.
gusty bison
It was an odd change of pace from switching to melee, to actively special-stabbi...
Aye
Bayo funni gud
trim hemlock
But surprisingly effective
gusty bison
It kills trappers in 1 stab iirc
torpid sundial
I was shocked that this thing kills non-green bruisers on HS hits
and the mk 3 bayonet cant
dusty sluice
very tempting
zealous wyvern
yes
gusty bison
Or if u dont have a good shovel at all
Buy it. Swap limbsplitter and weakspot damage
zealous wyvern
consume it or use it as placeholder
dusty sluice
If u dont have Uncanny
i could take it from this, but this is kinda usable (not done yet)
bleak tangle
how good is the new shovels? is it anti-hoard/elite?
trim hemlock
Bayo funni gud
I didn't outkill Illisi Psyker in melee kills. I'll get them next time 
I also just noticed how much overkill damage I dealt that game lmao
dusty sluice
melk also has this, i just noticed the mobility was this low lmao
bleak tangle
defuq dat excel scoreboard
bleak tangle
gusty bison
I didn't outkill Illisi Psyker in melee kills. I'll get them next time <:angymor...
Dayum so close
Absolutely shredded them elites and specials thou
trim hemlock
Also I was killed by landing on an out of bounds terrain by randomly dropping some pipes, on Vigil Station
trim hemlock
Before mid event, somewhere on the bridge
gusty bison
Amazing
trim hemlock
Indeed. I have learned not to trust my instincts for smartly navigating map terrain
No ledge hanging, just quick and painful death
gusty bison
Oof
placid portal
Classic L4D drop tech fail
umbral scaffold
whats a meta meta S tier vetern weapon to use rn
dusty sluice
i could take it from this, but this is kinda usable (not done yet)
these are other shovel, ran out of plasteel with the mk3
gusty bison
whats a meta meta S tier vetern weapon to use rn
Revolver
Or plasma gun
Plasma if ur braindead
Revolver if ur just looking for something broken
umbral scaffold
Melee or ranged?
range
trim hemlock
Grawr got the options right, then
umbral scaffold
plasma gun is a garuanteed s weapon with it being a heavy weapon yes that i agree
trim hemlock
Helbro is SLEPT ON
umbral scaffold
but i mean rifles
dusty sluice
i ran revolver it snot meta when helbore outfits it
you using surgical + handcannon?
umbral scaffold
you using surgical + handcannon?
yes still helbore outclasses it
surgical and onsluaght on a gun that has a flat stat of 8 sharge ammo use on a 105 capacity gun
with a melee attachment that stacks with your melee perks
and also has stagger with a quick reload and a good damage drop off with great break points
trim hemlock
From the objective POV, I don’t think Helbros outclass the revolver (because the revolver is just karking stupid in damage department + is usable on all human classes), but there certainly are moments where Helbro is preferred over a revolver
With them being a melee/ranged hybrid certainly adding some flavour and flexibility
gusty bison
Best longarm atm is Columnus IAG if ur looking for full auto/burstfire
Helbore if not
placid portal
Plasmagun for just point and click adventures
gusty bison
Plasma gun is just easy
placid portal
Yes
placid portal
kinda ignores bulwarks is kinda big cash
trim hemlock
I don’t like the fact it’s been made very one-dimensional
There’s no reason basically to right-click, ever
trim hemlock
100 cleave 
inland orchid
Mmm pancake 
trim hemlock
Why position well and get rewarded for it when you can just delete the horde and 3 specials in it
gusty bison
Ngl i feel like most darktide tier lists atm isnt about how good the weapon is
Its about how braindead it is to use lmao
trim hemlock
It’s how easy it is* to use
gusty bison
Ye
trim hemlock
Yes, exactly
inland orchid
welcome back to tier lists my friend
Bias is a thing we can’t ever run from, we can try to minimize it for sure but they’ll still be hints of it
untold mulch
Its about how braindead it is to use lmao
Isn't that most tier lists anyways
gusty bison
Isn't that most tier lists anyways
Eh kinda not really
trim hemlock
Isn't that most tier lists anyways
I… kind of disagree. DRG for instance has a lot of weapons that have low skill floor but high skill ceiling
rose drum
Its about how braindead it is to use lmao
Isn't something being braindead a sign that it's so good you don't even need to think to use it?
gusty bison
Its usually both
untold mulch
I… kind of disagree. DRG for instance has a lot of weapons that have low skill f...
🤔
trim hemlock
For instance, CRSPR flamethrower
untold mulch
maybe is just my experience
gusty bison
Isn't something being braindead a sign that it's so good you don't even need to...
Not necessarily
trim hemlock
maybe is just my experience
Maybe it is. I generally tend not to rely on tier lists for anything and form my opinions on things
trim hemlock
I know for instance what’s the state of all Ogryn weapons and where they fall short, or where they over perform
gusty bison
Isn't something being braindead a sign that it's so good you don't even need to...
It means you dont need to put a lot of effort to get most of the value out of it
I.e. its a skill pancake
That doesnt necessarily mean its super good in terms of power levels
umbral scaffold
I dont think its that *powerful*
i mean running it its just outclasses bolter
as a heavy weapon
gusty bison
i mean running it its just outclasses bolter
Nah
Yes but no rather
Its easier than bolter
Thats for sure
gusty bison
But bolter has some quirks like 1 shotting ragers. Going ammo neutral. Boss busting, etc
Id say a well played bolter can come close to a plasma
Thing is you need to put in 5x the effort
umbral scaffold
Nah
its easier and better
bolter can shoot through walls
has better ammo economy and crit rate
gusty bison
Plasma's main thing is it ignores suppression and stagger, has no recoil or sway or spread, and infinite cleave
timid otter
Bolter usally requires more talents to be invested into making it function then the plasma
gusty bison
But if u can play around those. Bolter has better breakpoints than plasma
fossil basalt
Waiting for the day mis-venting your plasma gun has a 1% chance to instantly melt your face off
gusty bison
Its just playing around those requires effort
timid otter
Thats in my opinion why bolter doesn’t feel great.
gusty bison
Also its not brain dead
rancid ginkgo
Plasma's main thing is it ignores suppression and stagger, has no recoil or sway...
I fkin love plasma. Especially with the focus keystone you really hit some nice breakpoints
timid otter
When i actually get to the point of making bolter work im mostly out of talent points.
gusty bison
Fair
timid otter
Plasma meanwhile gets atleast 5 points to spread around.
gusty bison
Execution is solid I think tbh
Maybe can have a few QoL buffs
But bolter is a solid weapon
People are just spoilt by revolver
Which is broken
rancid ginkgo
Yes, up to 15m
fresh grail
bolter do be accurate 👌
gusty bison
In fact with longshot it has ramp up
rancid ginkgo
Bolter has no falloff
Sway+surpression makes me wanna kms tryna snipe a group of 7 gunners 30m away
gusty bison
Sway+surpression makes me wanna kms tryna snipe a group of 7 gunners 30m away
- Just take suppression immunity
fresh grail
deadshot is great on it, might aswell
untold mulch
Yep, I run Deadshot and Surgical on bolter
gusty bison
- Even then bolter 1 taps gunners in the body
sharp ember
bolbgun
untold mulch
if you can spare the points, the +30 stam for dodging an attack means that bolter has almost constant deadshot uptime
rancid ginkgo
1) Just take suppression immunity
Maybe im just spoilt by the plasma gun 1 shotting 7 shotgunners
rancid ginkgo
Seems like a non issue
untold mulch
Is gonna be a pain in the ass to nerf plasma without making it feel like shit
gusty bison
Ye plasma isnt strong
rancid ginkgo
It teaches bad habits
Like aim and target aquisition?
untold mulch
Whats positioning?
gusty bison
How to space shots between dodges
sharp ember
added 1% chance when getting shot for the plasma coil to get hit and blow up
untold mulch
run to the enemy in glorious close quarters combat
fresh grail
Whats positioning?
its when you hold M1 with an autogun and walk at the enemy 💪
untold mulch
its when you hold M1 with an autogun and walk at the enemy 💪
Oh, thank you lad. I was already doing that 
gusty bison
But like the thing about plasma is it also has very little to improve on as u get better
untold mulch
btw I have a question of utmost importance
Why Bolter has 4 dodges
and Brauto has 2
gusty bison
It doesnt scale well with player skill
untold mulch
is the autogun HEAVIER!?
sharp ember
Why Bolter has 4 dodges
it WHAT
sharp ember
both high mobility?
untold mulch
at least mine
torpid sundial
helbore 3 is my jam and I love it
torpid sundial
just because its less easy to use a lot less people use it
untold mulch
both high mobility?
Bolter is
Brauto I am not sure mobility of mine
gusty bison
Brauto sounds like its under 50
sharp ember
it should show you the upper limit regardless i think
gusty bison
But ye bolter has +1 dodge iirc over brauto
fresh grail
Mine is the same as his, brauto has 2 dodges and bolter 4.
torpid sundial
Every time someone says Brauto I keep thinking Boruto
ornate scroll
same
gusty bison
just because its less easy to use a lot less people use it
Story of so many weapons in the game
Vraks 7
Helbores
untold mulch
I do think sometimes of the Braton of Warframe
sharp ember
agri brautos? wonder if there may be a pattern difference if you check graia or columnus
gusty bison
Even the IAGs
fresh grail
agri brautos? wonder if there may be a pattern difference if you check graia or ...
Good point, let me see
untold mulch
agri brautos? wonder if there may be a pattern difference if you check graia or ...
can't check today
Anyways, bolter has silly dodge
and I love it
because it allows me to dance while sniping specials
gusty bison
Its v nice to bolter dance ye
untold mulch
Gib me a second, poxwalker, you will get your emperor mercy allowance after I deal with the bomber
torpid sundial
I’d use bolter a lot more if it had 30% more ammo and equip speed a lil bit faster
fresh grail
agri brautos? wonder if there may be a pattern difference if you check graia or ...
All have 2 dodges. For some reason the mobility stat on the bolter gives extra dodges, whereas on the BRauto it doesn't
as to why that is, only the shark knows
gusty bison
Bolter atm has enough ammo tbh. A slightly faster equip I think no one will complain about
untold mulch
as to why that is, only the shark knows
I can gamble they don't either
gusty bison
As long as it isnt as fast as the IAGs
torpid sundial
But like
gusty bison
Or iLas
torpid sundial
I want to use bolter to unload into hordes
gusty bison
...
sharp ember
All have 2 dodges. For some reason the mobility stat on the bolter gives extra d...
i had taken for granted that all mobility stats scaled dodge limit
torpid sundial
And I cant do that with current ammo
untold mulch
Bolter atm has enough ammo tbh. A slightly faster equip I think no one will comp...
I never have ammo problem tbh
running scavenger
torpid sundial
gusty bison
I want to use bolter to unload into hordes
I dont think bolter will ever be able to do this without being broken sorry
Cos lile
Thats not +30% ammo
Thats like
untold mulch
I would like a lighter Bolter variant though
fresh grail
survivalist + 25% extra ammo and you can do it quite well. Not as braindead as with a BRauto but its quite ammo efficient
gusty bison
+1000% ammo
timid otter
Bolter has terrible damage vs infested.
untold mulch
survivalist + 25% extra ammo and you can do it quite well. Not as braindead as w...
ammo neutral with crit vs elites and as long as the team is doing their part
torpid sundial
It has decent cleave which is why
untold mulch
you should be 50+%
gusty bison
Fortunately theres only 3 infested enemies
vernal harbor
When you running scavenger but the whole squad splits in 4 directions killing elites away from you 🤕
torpid sundial
Its really satisfying
sharp ember
that’s why we make poxhounds catch chainswords instead of bolt rounds in their teeth
fresh grail
<:wtfgryn:1099688205420347412> i had taken for granted that all mobility stats s...
the one with dodge is the boltgun. Never take anything for granted in this game, it's all cryptic
untold mulch
the one with dodge is the boltgun. Never take anything for granted in this game,...
lmao
they just don't get dodges
Brauto t hat should be used in close
fresh grail
don't need it when you suppress the enemies enough i suppose, which is why i havent noticed the lack of it too much. But it is very odd why its different
untold mulch
Suppresion is nice
torpid sundial
+1000% ammo
Some hordes, not all hordes I mean.
untold mulch
who tf is crabwalking with brauto
I magdump hordes with Bolter if we are at the end nad there is ammo to spare
gusty bison
Aye
gusty bison
Ngl its kinda unfun to play with someone that constantly dumps hordes with bolters though
Or rippers
Or kickback
fresh grail
If i'm survivalist vet then they can go at it
gusty bison
Or p12 shredder
torpid sundial
Also yeah obviously I don’t do it if the team is using ammo as well
gusty bison
Not just ammo but like
sharp ember
kickback getting to do it the whole game when survivalist is active 
gusty bison
Someone dumping hordes with ranged and killing them all kinda makes the other three people twiddle their thumbs for a good chunk of the mission
We've had this issue several times
torpid sundial
I don’t really care
gusty bison
P12 Shredder was the worst case.
Where it was horrendously unfun to play with shredder abusers on the team
fresh grail
Doesn't sound like an issue you run into in quickplay i suppose
torpid sundial
I’ve been running melee vet with autopistol and its pretty good
gusty bison
Since P12 there hasnt been a weapon broken enough to clear hordes at a rate P12 shredder did
fresh grail
fair enough
gusty bison
So its no longer an issue
sharp ember
good ol ius autopistol with +100% pinning fire damage
gusty bison
But an efficient horde clear ranged weapon kinda runs into the P12 shredder problem
sharp ember
hit like an agri brauto while being twice as nimble and more accurate
torpid sundial
But an efficient horde clear ranged weapon kinda runs into the P12 shredder prob...
Recon obviously
gusty bison
I mean P13 recon was that
It was meh into elites and specials
But u could shoot forever into hordes
And it was annoying to play with a vet that did just that
gusty bison
It wasnt OP, just frustrating for a lot of people
torpid sundial
I don’t think many people care either
sharp ember
me recreating the wheeled volleygun scene from astartes
gusty bison
Nah it was a pretty common complaint at P13
Cos a lot of recon vets werent doing much except making the game harder for their melee allies
torpid sundial
How is it making the game harder
gusty bison
Less hordes = less toughness for melee chars + more exposure to ranged elites
trim hemlock
Getting distracted from being shot in the back
gusty bison
- easier for multiple elites to gang up on one guy
trim hemlock
But yeah, primarily due to hordes dying from recon lasfire
sharp ember
i wouldn’t say having infinite rending ammo made things harder, other than lacking shot stagger
anything you had a firing angle on and sufficient time died
gusty bison
Basically the lower the horde to elite ratio, the harder the game
gusty bison
anything you had a firing angle on and sufficient time died
Yea but that requires aiming
Remember people pick weapons for braindeadness
torpid sundial
The melee only auric missions are pretty easy though
gusty bison
And P13 Recon was popular for braindead horde dumping
sharp ember
that being said, recon reverse falloff getting sacked was a good thing in my book
not shocktrooper crit strings though
torpid sundial
Idk I feel that the game’s easier without any hordes and only elites
umbral scaffold
Plasma also doesnt teach aim
is that really a bad thign though?
i mean its a big projectile
gusty bison
is that really a bad thign though?
Not necessarily. Its justthat its a braindead weapon
Plasma needs some level of skill scaling somewhere
Doesnt have to be the aim complexity
torpid sundial
Smaller projectile, less cleave, some falloff damage, requires right mouse charge to effectively kill carapace
Good enough
torpid sundial
It doesnt have to be more complex
gusty bison
Ok i guess it requiring a bit more aim
Atm its a skill pancake
So balancing is hard
torpid sundial
When its a skill pancake just make it somewhat above average compared to other options
Like
Surge staff for psyker is pretty much that
gusty bison
When its a skill pancake just make it somewhat above average compared to other o...
Then its a meta choice
Nah surge staff is below avg
torpid sundial
It really isn’t
torpid sundial
Yes