veteran-class

[pastel geode]

Columnus iag?

[icy orchid]

Yeah, on the columnus

[pastel geode]

I’d need to hop on and check mine real quick but I wanna say the second blessing is a bit flexible

Like considering how fast it chews mobs terrifying barrage isn’t terrible

[icy orchid]

My instincts tell me it's dumdum + fire frenzy but i don't know

Btw how long before it gets nerfed into the ground

[pastel geode]

Fire frenzy is a good one

Probably won’t get nerfed cause they’ll probably bully recon in the next patch again lol

[civic knot]

Is decimator better for new shovels than skullcrusher?

[pastel geode]

That I couldn’t tell you, I hardly use anything other than chainsword

[civic knot]

@frank ether, do you know?

why is this?

[frank ether]

cus I want to use it for the special attack and decimator expires when you stop hitting things or miss

[civic knot]

so what would you like to run instead on it?

[frank ether]

I like thrust-limbsplitter and I do heavy pickaxe attack

before you ask yes cleave sucks

[civic knot]

hmm

[frank ether]

I run the decimator-uncanny combo on the old shovel since thats incapable of one shotting things but it has wide fast heavies and good push attack to deal with carapace

[civic knot]

Im fine with 2 shotting crushers, so which blessing should I run then?

alongside thrust

[frank ether]

just pick a power blessing fitting your playstyle with the weapon

[umbral granite]

What's the best shovel to pair with a hellbore mk 1? (I want to make a kreigsman veteran).

[icy orchid]

The new shovel, the pick option is insane for anti carapace

[frank ether]

I'd rather pair a powersword or combat axe with brutal momentum, which carries over to helbore bayonet

[icy orchid]

He's going shovel meme

[frank ether]

but if you want a generalist defense weapon the old shovel is the better one

[civic knot]

Ive heard that the mk 7 shovel's special attack deals more single target dmg, is this true?

[frank ether]

no clue

it does a weird angle though for the special attack

mk3 is flat vertical

[zealous wyvern]

FIRE

damn

[sharp ember]

the pick damage between the spike shovels is the same,
but the mk7 has multiple strikedown lights in its combo

the push attack is a triple strikedown combo

[civic knot]

is that a good thing?

[sharp ember]

if you’re into that sort of thing, i think it hits hard enough to decapitate scab bruisers

[umbral granite]

I just realized that the shovels gets uncanny strike.

[sharp ember]

the spike shovels are basically moveset preference

[chrome pasture]

idk why

but I like this

[zealous wyvern]

fast reload and between the eyes?

what is that

[frank ether]

you can run stock ciag

it would still be nice

[zealous wyvern]

that is true

i have done that

forgot to swap after meatgrinder and was wondering what op weapon this is (just after they buffed autos)

[junior needle]

Idk why I like this gun with the highest automatic dps in the game

Truly a mystery

[untold mulch]

[wary galleon]

only thing i disilike about infantry autoguns is the lack of ammo compared to brautoguns

i have no ammo and i must shoot

🤐

[jovial aurora]

just had a match we lost with 54 disabler kills. my closest team mate had 10 and they called me garbage afterwords cuz my damage was only 400000

[wary galleon]

dont think of yourself bad by those kind of players. They cant see past their nosetip so to speak

54 disabler kills is great!

[jovial aurora]

it was maelstrom so there were trappers and bombers and snipers everywhere and the threeheads were just ignoring them lmfao

[delicate estuary]

Know your place

[wary galleon]

damn them expectations just keeps getting higher and higher

[delicate estuary]

Should have told them to get a mental check up

[wary galleon]

nothing can penetrate that psychic wall in their head

too strong for the foul magic called reason

[delicate estuary]

That's why you recommend medication

[wary galleon]

how important is cleave target on Pswords? ive never used them so wanted to play some team-buff builds

got this almost god roll

[delicate estuary]

0 mobility is the dump stat

[wary galleon]

need to understand when you guys say dump stats what do you mean precisely? :S

[celest vine]

Nah 1% damage shovel

[zealous wyvern]

tonite

👀

[untold mulch]

Holy kark

Zealot accidentally enrages DH

DH kills it

DH goes get here boi straight at me

[agile yew]

You want usually 51%+ mobility, as thats max dodge stacks from what ive read

[untold mulch]

I do circles around a piece of the map for a minute

until team kills it

Dumbass Daemon

[zealous wyvern]

i sadly miss 80% of my shots on DH

[inland orchid]

They are pretty slippery

[zealous wyvern]

their movement is so eratic and their hitbox small

[untold mulch]

I tried to save the Zealot with my bolter

but yeah, Chainswoerd rev is better

whack in melee

[wary galleon]

my nightmare

[zealous wyvern]

did i stutter

80% miss

that includes my grenades

[celest vine]

Good enough

[untold mulch]

Same

but somehow this time I managed to survive

[zealous wyvern]

ESPECIALLY my grenades

[celest vine]

[untold mulch]

Honestly

[zealous wyvern]

because they are not as fast as bullets

[untold mulch]

the big stuff

the bolters

[celest vine]

Shout to hold them still

[untold mulch]

the krak

all of it

[celest vine]

Each krak staggers

[untold mulch]

better when the idiot who enraged it

is on the ground

[celest vine]

Keeping them still

[zealous wyvern]

yeah thats when i usually do it

[untold mulch]

then the DH is predictable

[wary galleon]

not often a clutch or save makes me go audibly OOOOOOOOOO :OO
but getting saved from DH definitly does that!

[untold mulch]

I got no health damage

[celest vine]

Unironically its the easiest boss to fight

[wary galleon]

[untold mulch]

I just did circles while blocking

[zealous wyvern]

dh is not easy for me

dodging ogryn or beast is easy

[untold mulch]

My brain went

wait a moment there is a crate there

what If I....?

[celest vine]

Field improv with spot and krak

[zealous wyvern]

chaos spawn is fairly difficult to consistently dodge in an actual level

but dh is worse imo

[celest vine]

Stuck them with 8 nades

Thing died like a dog

[inland orchid]

In most DH situations is the surrounding pals of the DH that make the problem instead of the karker herself imo

[untold mulch]

Chaos Spawn the only thing I consistently dodge is the grab

[inland orchid]

I.e a badly placed bomber, sniper

[untold mulch]

The rest are "easy"

[inland orchid]

Y’know the ones

[zealous wyvern]

a dh will solo run me down because i can dodge it kind of

but not always

[untold mulch]

BoN oinly problem is when my weaponry lacks unyielding damage

[celest vine]

That boss is the only one you cant reasonably get out of its attack pattern

[zealous wyvern]

other bosses are much easier to dodge sterile

[celest vine]

Chaos spawn is the fucking worst designed in the game

[zealous wyvern]

chaos spawn is horrible though when there is also the mandatory elite horde

and somehow they ALWAYS spawn

when its the worst timing

[untold mulch]

Why I love my shredder nades

Boss with horde

MAKE SPACE

[strange sparrow]

huh?

[untold mulch]

Nade be upon ye

[strange sparrow]

Do the I-frame dodge my man

[celest vine]

When it crawls and swings

[strange sparrow]

The Grab Swings ?

[celest vine]

No the on its chest attack

[strange sparrow]

Oh that one, You could triple dodge if your weapon have 50%+ Mobility sttas

Should be enough to dodge in generally tbh

[inland orchid]

You have space to dodge?

I usually get walled

[celest vine]

Was about to say

[strange sparrow]

If you get walled, you could do the I-Frame dodge

[celest vine]

Stupid dreg stalker body blocks

[strange sparrow]

That's slightly harder

Chaos Spawn in this game has been tuned down way too much

[fresh grail]

chaos spawn whailing on you is definitely the worst. Beast is so slow and plague ogryn's attack are predictable and slow, but chaos spawn

[strange sparrow]

the only danger is the Grab Eat animation (You need Someone get close so Chaos Spawn stop biting and wack around)

[untold mulch]

Yep, and it can be i-framed

Get those Dark Souls hours to work

[fresh grail]

Dodgeing towards the arm when the spawn goes in for the grab seems to work more often for me, for some reason.

[untold mulch]

Roll into the monster attack

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-the-souls-gif-9284477

[feral stirrup]

Possibly because when you roll into attack the time of collision is shorter

Similarly how cars driving into same direction take longer time to pass each other than cars going into the opposite direction

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

The roll into the attack thing

i-frames make it better to do it that way because then physically dodging the attack is irrelevant if you can phase through faster and still be in the range you wish to

[strange sparrow]

You're correct

Chaos Spawn have collision box unique to him

so you can temporary dodge into him before getting push out

[celest vine]

I think this guy will be better

[fresh grail]

sheesh

wish i had 3 cannons on my left arm too tbh

[hollow hawk]

Any tips for getting this achievement?

[celest vine]

Fuck that attack

[hollow hawk]

What's the best weapon to use for it

[celest vine]

Plasma gun with low ammo

[wary galleon]

hmm on a middle tree team-buff build, would it be worth it?

[celest vine]

Dont hit allies

[hollow hawk]

Ty ty

[celest vine]

And uh dont use scavanger

[fossil basalt]

I found the new Agrip revolver got it super quick since you can just fan the hammer into hordes and never shoot again

[untold mulch]

Make sure the group also is not using it

[celest vine]

Thats why you do assasination

Any ammo you have gotten up to that point just put it all knto one plasma gun mag and dump it

[fresh grail]

i've been sleeping on this talent too, only started trying it out today. It's so good
I apologize to all the teammates i have not been buffing in the past games, you will be avenged.

[untold mulch]

I remember at launch it not working

I assume it does now

[analog mural]

Doesn't the ammo penance only count starting ammo? So as long as you empty your weapon once it doesn't matter if you get more

[fresh grail]

the toughness replenishment it gives is very good. I've saved many psykers who were getting swarmed with it just by spraying a bit at them

[untold mulch]

If you empty you need to change to melee before you get more ammo

[wary galleon]

if other vets in your team has scavenger then just dont reload or switch, as soon as you empty your gun

but if you got it yourself idk maybe it counts still

[analog mural]

Gotcha

[umbral scaffold]

It's a good talent, ye

[muted knot]

this salvagable or just take slaughterer

[umbral scaffold]

I just don't take it because I'm selfish

[umbral scaffold]

Both can work
But rev it up is kind of a meme

[muted knot]

revolver or the slug shotgun with low ammo

[umbral scaffold]

Stats are good
But rev it up is just either a meme you can play with

Or pretend it doesn't exist and take slaughterer

Because you're gonna need to replace both perks imo

[muted knot]

im just taking it then

thanks

[umbral scaffold]

Well
Melee vs elites is not the worst, but ye
🫡

Slaughterer is sick on the new chain axe tho

So it's gonna do you good eventually

[halcyon jackal]

Do I like or hate the cadian voice for the scion helmet

[tiny summit]

Be cool if it was like phase boots in dota 2.

[wary galleon]

its not the size that counts lads its the motion of the ocean

[untold mulch]

lmao

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-god-of-war-ragnarok-gif-15393165416951486210

[inland orchid]

WHO ARE YOU? -unknowing heretic

[celest vine]

Theres alot of ice on this roof

[umbral scaffold]

As long as it had the same woosh sound I'm game

[slow spade]

at least its not on the road

that was not fun :c

knows there's an active coldfront -> "haha come to work :D"

[celest vine]

Bro wtf is this shit

[inland orchid]

Ice

U said it urself

[celest vine]

Ah

Gas leaks

[wary galleon]

its the CO2 poisoning story all over

hmm kinda like this one.

maybe hilt is too wide

[celest vine]

Jersey mikes isnt that bad actually

Its pretty good

[wary galleon]

or this?

[wary galleon]

what is a jersy mike? sounds like a cerial brand

[celest vine]

Sub shop

Sub way with actually good bread

[wary galleon]

oh

i only know of subway if speaking of chain franchises

or small local ones

[celest vine]

Theyre an eastern US brand

[wary galleon]

ah that explains, only been in the western part, except NY

[celest vine]

Like canada has one location and thats it

Otherwise its east coast and new jersey

[wary galleon]

lots of unknown/famous shops ive wanted to try but never got the chance

will have to go there one day

maybe see wyoming

or the redwoods in california

[jovial aurora]

so far so good lol

[wary galleon]

uuuh nice

[tall torrent]

Rampage is usable but not the best

Carapace is good

[wary galleon]

only left is cycler and a better perk

[jovial aurora]

eh it's my first one

[wary galleon]

💀

[jovial aurora]

wouldn't it be dope if i rolled power cycler lol

[wary galleon]

Big wanted you to kill and BY THE GODS YOU WIILL.... if that happened

[jovial aurora]

this is the melee im using rn

honestly devastating is pretty based if you have desperado

[jovial aurora]

i keep uptime on devastating pretty much full time

niceee

[wary galleon]

would love the rampage instead

[muted knot]

oh heeeeell yeah hadon

[wary galleon]

holy shit

[jovial aurora]

oh my god

[muted knot]

what a god

[jovial aurora]

what the fuckkkk

im stealing that screenie and telling the bois it's mine

[slow spade]

all naturals UwU

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[muted knot]

stamina to what ?

[wary galleon]

hmm maniac maybe?

[slow spade]

crit?

since literally all your stuff is related to crit

[wary galleon]

hmmm

isent it like only 5%?

[muted knot]

i have no clue tbh

[slow spade]

I personally went with this

[muted knot]

yesah

[wary galleon]

dont think its worth it then

[slow spade]

yeah but 5% more procs of Deadly Accurate

[wary galleon]

yea 5%

i would pick something else

[jovial aurora]

i bet ya mine was easier to get lol

mine came from milkman

[tall torrent]

Nice
Headhunter to surgical4
Stamina to elite? Maniac? Unarmored? Not sure

[muted knot]

maybe keep stamina on for deadshot and skip on surgical ?

[tall torrent]

Headhunter is not as good as surgical on mk7 imo

On mk3, headhunter is must-have

[wary galleon]

i imagine your shooting more with headhunters then las

so surgical maybe not

[jovial aurora]

honestly i'd stick with hh

3 seconds for guaranteed crit or five shots

[slow spade]

next mission -> "oops all beasts of nurgle and bulwarks"

[tall torrent]

Surgical isn’t there to wait stacks

[celest vine]

It stacks well

Take deadshot?

30%

That perk? 35%

The crit node? 40%

I get every other shot a crit with it

[slow spade]

yeah I was thinking the same, its not like its bad to take either so I didn't argue

[tall torrent]

U could keep headhunter & change both perks

There’s just less “crit on demand”

[celest vine]

Ive had cases with headhunter where almost every shot ive fired was a crit

Which is better imo than taking maniac or unyielding

[slow spade]

if you worshiped the Emperor enough, you would have 100% crit rate at all times 😔

[hybrid token]

love it when hadron delivers the full goods

[celest vine]

Hadron always put power cylcer 4 on my swords

[slow spade]

clearly Fatshark just needs to revert the crit nerf on Vet from Patch 13. UwU

[celest vine]

I hope they do

[slow spade]

same

yeah Vet was de facto the strongest back then again but I'm a Vet main 😎

[hybrid token]

just get the 5% crit node

[slow spade]

imagine having to spend points when I can simply get both

sorry I'm too entitled for that 💅

also vet should get back its old 200 base toughness again

[celest vine]

I need to jnstall true rank mod

[slow spade]

for funnies

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-speech-bubble-cat-drinking-water-stupid-stupid-cat-gif-12327862702270255434

[celest vine]

Dont think I can mod the windows launcher version of dorktide tho

[muted knot]

Now I just need aidea of how to build my talents for Mark 7 headhunter

[dusty sluice]

thanks hadron

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-darktide-ryback-gif-27166387

[tall torrent]

Harvest

[wary galleon]

wtf those modifiers

[slow spade]

helps a lot for me as I can know when to dodge lobbies

[muted knot]

Oof

[wary galleon]

hahha hadron is generious today

[slow spade]

"man I want a nice chill game" -> oops lvl 30+2 in Auric UwU

[celest vine]

I have 300 missions won with vet so im not exactly sure where that puts me

[muted knot]

I have another 378 mk7 headhunter on profane

[celest vine]

But then again I dont know if windows darktide can be modded

[slow spade]

it's like 0.8-0.9 levels per mission at lvl 30?

idk

[celest vine]

Steam can

[slow spade]

sadly idk either, I use Steam

[dusty sluice]

sustained?

[muted knot]

Probably like at least 30+100

But I don't know the exact calculation for levels past 30

[celest vine]

I have god rolls equiped so most people wont leave when they see the Xbox X under my name

[slow spade]

same, I know the xp cost doesn't increase so I usually take the rough guess of 0.8x their completed missions

[tall torrent]

Yea, what else can u harvest lol

[dusty sluice]

true

[slow spade]

maybe they want a Terrifying Barrage as a treat UwU

[celest vine]

Pretty strong loadout

[eternal sable]

ayo someone with the right blessings on a mk 12

lasgun i should say

[celest vine]

Thats a 1A

[eternal sable]

the amount of times ive seen people recomend anything but hh + deadly accurate is nuts

[twilit crane]

Those are incredibly lucky rolls

[celest vine]

This is my 12

[eternal sable]

its like people get a shit blessing on a good roll then spend all their energy coping to make it good

that will never change its bricked

[celest vine]

Ive had a few ogryns compliment the sword

[dusty sluice]

the collectioon grows

[celest vine]

I did get every single lasgun blessing

Lvl 1-4

All of them

[twilit crane]

I wish my rolls were that good, all I get is utter shit on my 365+ weapons but great perks in blessings on my shit scrap

[slow spade]

top tier gear = top tier stats 😎

UwU

[celest vine]

I got the gun when they buffed the MG1A

Was like my first roll

Brunt had it as a profane

[dusty sluice]

here's a more clear img, forgot i had silly mod on

[fickle dove]

which perk would you change? inb4 i don't have power cycler 4 yet
It is thought to mow through little snifflers and bosses - I got a revolver for elites and specials

[inland orchid]

That silly mod is very informative

[celest vine]

You should do both

[inland orchid]

Makin me wish I modded my tide but it would probs net my pc more problems

[celest vine]

Flak and carapace

Its the best anti armor melee weapon

[dusty sluice]

thanks hadron

[tall torrent]

Why flak

Scab rager 2 tap?

[jovial aurora]

Cuz it'll kill unarmored

[celest vine]

Yes

And maulers

[tall torrent]

Maulers u just 2 shot to head tho?

[celest vine]

But if I dont hit the head ill still get a two or three shot

Sometimes I cant hit the head so

[dusty sluice]

at least brunt gave me this :D

[celest vine]

Bulwarks I just toss a krak grenade and reapers I shoot

Can three shot reapers with my gun

[tall torrent]

If u don’t hit the head the body damage is like 400~500

[jovial aurora]

w

does the mobility ruin it or is mobility the dumpstat

[inland orchid]

It didn’t fuck with its damage so ya is dump stat in my eyes

[jovial aurora]

wasn't sure what the charge is tied to

think that might be finesse

[fresh grail]

nah thats pretty solid sword there

[inland orchid]

The power of inspect goes crazy

Tells u exactly what u wanna know bout the modifier

[boreal haven]

shotguns

hard to miss with a shotgun

[jovial aurora]

um

charge time on power sword is a hidden stat

but thanks for the sarcasm lol

[inland orchid]

Oh there’s the meat grinder for stuff like that, but we all don’t have the luxury of a fuck ton of time to waste

[hollow hawk]

Smart ty ty

[jovial aurora]

yup

[inland orchid]

Also how was I supposed to know u were lookin for how long that was

When talkin bout it’s mobility

[jovial aurora]

ummm

[inland orchid]

I can’t read minds

[jovial aurora]

can't read in general lol

[inland orchid]

Dawg, that message I posted before was in response to ur previous message

Cut me a lil slack

[jovial aurora]

i mean it wasn't but okay lol

[inland orchid]

Can’t type as fast as a Ser-

Bud missed my entire point

[jovial aurora]

hopefully the milkman blesses me with PC4 again lol

[inland orchid]

I hope he does too dawg

[jovial aurora]

i've seen it once when i didn't know what i was doing

[left tendon]

Anyone recommend a veteran leveling build? I'm not really struggling and am enjoying my build right now I just want to see what people would recommend

[untold mulch]

I am relatively sure

that I heard that shotguns are bad for that

because the pellets count

Plasma and Revolver are usually the recommendantions

[boreal haven]

damn

i might have just got lucky when i did it then

[untold mulch]

that, or they count?

Who tf knows with this code

I did it with plasma and 3 tries

overcharge at horde

almost blew myself up once or twice

[hybrid token]

shotgun is great for it

1 pellet counts for the whole shot

as long as you hit SOMETHING

just use a kantrael

i probably have 95%+ accuracy EVERY mission

that achievement is giga easy now

[untold mulch]

I swear people say one pellet counts

others say no

[hybrid token]

well im correct so

[untold mulch]

[junior grail]

I tried 3 time with kant shotty last time and couldn't get it

Got it with Rev later finally

So not really sure what is true hahaha

[untold mulch]

I did it with plasma overcharge and got over it

is only like 20ish shots

100% accuracy in my final try in the carnival which was nice

My bane was I got every match a Revolver player

[junior grail]

Oh yea plasma is a good choice

[untold mulch]

that sometimes shot when I was shooting

and made me "miss"

[slow spade]

don't worry, if you were on Damnation or Auric, you probably wall-bang'd a shotgunner vibing in the distance UwU

[untold mulch]

I did it in heresy because I didn't want to underperfom in those diff

[junior grail]

UwU

[untold mulch]

Heresy I can carry with melee "easy"

Damnation with half my tools, yeahhh

not yet

[celest vine]

Unironically a few zealot penances are easiest on auric

The shock grenade one for example

[slow spade]

indeed, "be below 1 wound" ez completion Uwu

[placid fog]

Dear Fatshark.
Please stop making abilities for veteran based around standing still. Only a fool stands still.

[slow spade]

"Just headshot lmao" -Fatshark

[junior grail]

I still haven't done the Zealot one of being less than 1 wound

Cadia stands, and see what happened to it

[untold mulch]

I still find very funny

Marksman keystone

You get better consistency with magdump weapons

[placid fog]

SO TRUE

[untold mulch]

and the melee keystone, better for slow firing

[slow spade]

the best part is most of the best precision weapons don't need the damage buff

[untold mulch]

PEAK GAME DESIGN

[thick wolf]

melk wtf is this stability

[thorn hill]

It would be nice if the keystone took the weapons' fire rate into account for some of its properties.

[slow spade]

ironically, the ping keystone is the only one that appears to be working as intended

[untold mulch]

I still stand that Marksman Focus is a trash keystone that was built without the gameplay in mind

[placid fog]

The ping keystone is based

[junior grail]

Except nobody in pubs ping

[placid fog]

The entire officer skill tree is top tier

[thick wolf]

be the change you want to be

[untold mulch]

Weapon Spec, needs a lower crit bonus = but last 5 entire seconds

And Ping is good with the regen toughness

[slow spade]

the difference is that's a skill issue rather than design issue

[thick wolf]

I have no idea how weapon spec works

[slow spade]

also only the Vet needs to ping anyways

[untold mulch]

My latest builds I am running with Ping

Pretty good to get a chunk of toughness back

[slow spade]

yeah I run ping on all my builds too

[thick wolf]

the only build I have that doesn't run ping keystone is my shotty knife infiltrator man

[slow spade]

stamina and toughness? can't go wrong

[thick wolf]

tho that may change soon

[junior grail]

I saw a suggestion to make it so all team members can ping debuff like in VT2

[slow spade]

I also run Born Leader so I double regen my allies

very comfy

[untold mulch]

and I am usually getting rending strikes anyways

[twilit glacier]

marvel at my meme knife

[untold mulch]

To my knowledge, the regen is in practical small

but well

[slow spade]

unbinds the dodge key UwU'

[untold mulch]

still regen I suppose

[jolly hemlock]

very block much stamina

[slow spade]

15% on my 230 toughness Vet helps considering a lot of people stack hp

[placid fog]

Why does everyone else get max base stat guns and every time I get something it's just terrible

[slow spade]

so the "small amount" for me maybe a lot for an ally

especially ogryns

[untold mulch]

🤔

[untold mulch]

Fair point

[thick wolf]

welcome to gacha mechanics except it doesn't involve your real life money

[placid fog]

I got one good autogun as an emperor's reward and a really good transcendent shovel

[thorn hill]

Very much this. Any build that doesn't stack toughness curios will immediately notice when a 200+ toughness Vet is pumping out 10-20 toughness at a time.

[slow spade]

they even removed the fire instantly breaking toughness thing

[thick wolf]

yay...

[slow spade]

so toughness is a lot more valuable now c:

[slow spade]

the Emperor is trying ;c

pls understand

[tall torrent]

it's not 15% of ur 230 toughness most of the time
if u proc confirmed kill, that is 15% of 30% of ur 230 toughness which is 10.35, out of which only 4.4 instant

[untold mulch]

Emperor in Terra dial up noises

[slow spade]

but with Ping Keystone, it's not just Confirmed Kill

[placid fog]

Fat Shark should give us fallout 4 gun customisation, that way I can use an elysian style lasgun without using a crappy laser slapper

[thick wolf]

how many recon lasguns do I even need emperor

[slow spade]

you could easily get the Confirmed Kill + Target Down + Exhil Takedown

regen all at once

[tall torrent]

ping keystone is usually 10% per tagged kill

[untold mulch]

Is testing you

[tiny summit]

Time is money

[tall torrent]

if u run all 3 of those, u can heal 19 toughness to ur whole team

by activating all 3

[thick wolf]

I swear whoever at Fatshark implemented the crafting and loot system must have played one too many gacha games

[placid fog]

A whole 19 toughness

[slow spade]

indeed, never hurts

[serene sage]

worse, a whole 19 toughness when the team isn't at full

which they are

most of the time

[tall torrent]

for born leader toughness heal it's better to run smth like gloryhunter plasma and just forego exhilarating takedown

[serene sage]

if you look at your teammates toughness, it's full in almost every hallway fights

[tall torrent]

gloryhunter plasma makes born leader "mathematically viable"

[serene sage]

if you can supply enough DPS

[tiny summit]

They just like me frfr with 5 gachas atm

[placid fog]

Just rely on voice of command to buff teammates

[tiny summit]

Born Leader always viable. Click heads and elites/specials like a gamer

[slow spade]

clearly they just need to give temp toughness when over cap ;)

[serene sage]

5? youre crazy

[slow spade]

I also agree they should buff toughness more ;)

Fatshark pls

[torpid sundial]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

god finally

[placid fog]

They should make damage chip through toughness again like when the game released

[tiny summit]

Nah. I had 6 before. Didn't interest me enough. There 2 more I may add this year. If Genshin doesn't get interesting this year I may actually drop it

[slow spade]

without the damage bug at least pls

[tall torrent]

yk, if that's actually how born leader worked (healed toughness goes into a natural overtoughness cap let's say 20), that's actually pretty good

[slow spade]

I agree honestly I think that's how it should have worked

[tiny summit]

Fatshark. Give 50% Born Leader

[thorn hill]

The heal isn't for the majority of situations. It's for when a death spiral starts and the team needs to stabilize as fast as possible. Any of the support tools can look bad if we only look from the perspective of a situation that's already under control.

[torpid sundial]

my helbore 3 finally gets surgical 4

[trim hemlock]

@gusty bison

I'm doing it. I'm making this happen.

[tall torrent]

unfortunately it doesn't work that way rn, very sad

[slow spade]

:c

[placid fog]

The only thing I dislike about the MK III is you don't stab with the bayonet

[torpid sundial]

Yeah I dont if ever use the bayonet

[tiny summit]

That 4 toughness could bring someone to 100% negating the poxwalker about to hit them

[placid fog]

It's there for whenever a poxwalker wants to give you a back rub

[torpid sundial]

Got used to swapping around weapons and using the helbore 3 to melt any elite

[idle swallow]

Could just be basic af and use a revolver

[torpid sundial]

the Cadia XIIIg chainsword reeaaaally slaps

[twilit glacier]

can we get damage values from the weapon breakdown for pushblock attack followups?

[thick wolf]

oh look, a transcendant curio.

[tiny summit]

I got used to just never having to swap some games with mk2

[torpid sundial]

Like it feels even better than catachan

[exotic spade]

Helbore with the ignition and rending. 3 headshots on a mauler and they keel over even on damnation. Use the hellbore that has the stabber and not either of them with the knives as it charges up the fastest. Also it's stab pushes back ragers and makes thems tumble literally EVERY time.

[tiny summit]

Experience perks on blessings should like be deleted from the drop tables at 30

[placid fog]

Counterpoint.
Use 1 shovel hit on a crusher and it dies.

[idle swallow]

shovel my beloved

[placid fog]

Shovel my beloved

[cursive nebula]

Need some recommendations, I always run plasma but want to switch it up abit what guns do you recommend

[exotic spade]

Yeah but I am lazy, hellbore has pew pew and stab stab

[dry knoll]

Counterpoint 1 Plasma blast and it vaporises

[placid fog]

God I wish

[thick wolf]

laspistol if you want a brisk reload and barely fuckall recoil

[serene sage]

everything we can recommend would be a downgrade

actually, if you haven't tried Columnus or Revolver, use those

[exotic spade]

I am REALLY sad the bolter doesn't actually feel like a bolter =/

[serene sage]

they are on the same power level

[placid fog]

How

It literally makes the game easy mode

[serene sage]

Bolter is "somewhat" table top accurate though

[tiny summit]

Helbores

[serene sage]

ADS long distance for single

[cursive nebula]

Thank you! Just wanna try someth8ng new that's all. I'm more of a support veteran

[serene sage]

Hipfire short distance for 2 burst

[dry knoll]

Get a decent plasma and a full charged heatshot with the right talents can/will 1 shot maulers and crushers

[idle swallow]

the wonky ads sway after firing the bolter doesn't help

If it just went straight up I wouldn't be minding that much

[placid fog]

Tbf you have just fired a .75 micro rocket

[exotic spade]

The reload is too long for one. For two the metal armor shouldn't stop it. Bolters punch through ceramite plating...everything we fight is using steel...the bolter shells should literally just punch through it.

[tiny summit]

Putting a reflex sight on the bolter with the mod feels wrong

[serene sage]

My hot take is that no gun should be able to one shot dreg gunners with 0/30 talents

But revolver and plasma can

Which is why they are so strong

They operate regardless of talent which is a very dumb idea

[placid fog]

A plasma gun is anti space marine

If it didn't it would just be a gun

[serene sage]

I thought Volkite was anti space marines

but this is gameplay regardless

[tiny summit]

It does feel like just a gun. An overly tuned, lil to no risk gun

[placid fog]

I just wish it made enemies explode into a red stain

Rather than take off a single arm

[wary galleon]

stealth vet

[thick wolf]

funny when you mention revolver and plasma gun, I just happened to be paired up with randos that two of them use revolver and plasma respectively

[wary galleon]

saves the day

almost

[tiny summit]

I think revolvers shouldn't deal with crushers as well as they do

[exotic spade]

Helbore's fully charged can shoot through a space marine. Saw it happen more than once on Vraks in the books. It was the primary anti-chaos marine you read about there.

[placid fog]

Yeah but it's the BIG IRON

[wary galleon]

kinda agree

ye

its THE BIG IRON

it should still feel like so

[serene sage]

I think Revolver should have cleave of 1

[thick wolf]

also tbf, the revolver is already sortof crippled with the slow reload it has

[serene sage]

like one shot one kill

[dry knoll]

Volkite is extra spice (and super rare), plasma is anti heavy infantry.

[thick wolf]

the old one, not the mccree simulator

[serene sage]

crusher one shot are fine

but it sholdn't one shot 10 kills

[wanton dawn]

[serene sage]

make it what it is, you point at something's head

it dies

but only ONE thing dies

not the 5 things behind it as well

[tiny summit]

In Eisenhorn book 2. Eisenhorn domed a marine with a bolt pistol

[hoary stratus]

my favorite thing about helbores is that they cleave 1 unit

[placid fog]

We get it, you like Krieg

[hoary stratus]

I think that can include a teammate which is nice

[thick wolf]

I can't vibe with the Mk III man

[hoary stratus]

I really don't I just think helbores are really fun

[hoary stratus]

the mk 3 is terrible, get a mk 2

[thick wolf]

I want that f a s t charge the mk II and I have

[wanton dawn]

Agri brauto can compete with columnus iag cuz of its cleave

[placid fog]

I'd rather a proper hot shot lasgun

[thick wolf]

also the stab

[wanton dawn]

Cleave is the unsung good gun stats

[thick wolf]

but rn I don't have a very good mk ii

[tiny summit]

Love the agri brauto on my zealot atm. Shame about it having terrifying barrage

[hoary stratus]

all the helbores share blessings, time to sacrifice your mk 3 to hadron

[placid fog]

Fat shark should add in hotshot volley guns for vet

[exotic spade]

If it is proper, it needs to run on heat (peril) and not ammo since it is attached to a backpack of ammo. Also if you overheat you explode just like a psyker. Would be amazing ngl.

[round nest]

oh god

[thick wolf]

I can't recall what blessings and perks my mk iii has

[placid fog]

I've never heard of hotshots overheating

[serene sage]

so, like a plasma reskin?

[dry knoll]

Revolver should just be a bolt pistol the amount of damage it does.

[wanton dawn]

Love it on vet

[idle swallow]

With the amount of DMG you lose for fire rate on the mk2 helbore you may as well just run the Mg la Lasgun

[tiny summit]

The fuck are you talking about?

[exotic spade]

Hotshots can overheat. The fall of cadia had them intentionally doing it though. So that could be something you have to do on purpose.

[serene sage]

they want the bayonet bro

[wanton dawn]

You play hellbore for bayo anyway

[thick wolf]

can we have a shovel bayonet

[placid fog]

Cadians should be banned. Tempestus Scions all the way

[hoary stratus]

the helbore is a bayonet with a bonus gun, not vice versa

[serene sage]

ogryn nade launcher melee died for much less

[inland orchid]

But shovel already sharp without bayonnet

[tiny summit]

Mk2 has plenty of dmg. In reality the mk3's dmg is overkill for anything but crushers. Mk2 dmg with its charge rate is excellent

[idle swallow]

Ok we doin not actual reason then

[wanton dawn]

I love how everyone agree on hellbore being a spear

[serene sage]

it's not a meme though
people play mk1/2 for the bayonet

[dry knoll]

Black Library books are really inconsistant with their weapon profiles. You have marines shrugging off bolt rounds unless they go through the grille or flex points in armour in one moment and having the armour pierced by sluggas and las rounds the next. Generally though, Astartes plate has been shown to be effective but not fool proof to bolt rounds.
Carapace shouldn't really be as effective as it is in game though.

[exotic spade]

I love Cadians, I wish we could be from Armageddon though. Steel Legion ftw. Drifting with tanks.

[serene sage]

like you have the bayo
and a gun on top for things the bayo can't kill

[tiny summit]

The actual reason is mk2 dmg is still better it's charge speed is like nothing

[wanton dawn]

I play bayonet build on auric maelstrom. Unironically

[hoary stratus]

have you actually played helbore tho? it's harder to play than the semi-auto lasguns but it's definitely viable, with legitimate reasons (read: bayonet) that you might prefer it over those two

[wanton dawn]

Even reddit knows bayonet is strong

[thick wolf]

I need to get a good mk ii and a ia lasgun roll

[hoary stratus]

on a mg 2 with the charge speed bonus on continuous fire (I forget the name) I can take out a room of shooters just as fast as with the semi-auto lasguns

[tiny summit]

Yea. I like my Ia but like really. Mk2 is not lacking in dmg for its fast fire rate

[thick wolf]

and less jumpy sights to boot, too

[wary galleon]

dammit

🧱

[thick wolf]

btw @gusty bison your suggested changes really worked for my lasgun

never knew ping keystone is that cracked

[tiny summit]

I hate it

[wary galleon]

fixed it :P

[tiny summit]

It's incredible value as a skill. I just dislike the mechanic of "tag an enemy for free shit"

[wanton dawn]

Is there a single meta gun that benefit more from mf rather than ft ?

[wary galleon]

mf?

[tiny summit]

Marksman focus

[wary galleon]

hellbore maybe?

idk

[tiny summit]

Overkill. I use it. Most use case I find with my gameplay is mk2 1 tapping ragers with MF stacks

[wanton dawn]

Some said vraks

[wary galleon]

Holy shit this thing kills Crusher in 2 SHOTS

FUCKING 2 SHOS

[tiny summit]

Yea. Revolver dumb

[wary galleon]

WAT DA FAK XD

im using zero ranged talents

[inland orchid]

The Wild West goes hard in 40k

Nuff said

[wanton dawn]

I changed my columnus from mf to ft. Its just... better ?

[thick wolf]

now we need a fully complete darktide psa: gunslinger

the one exists in youtube is incomplete

[tulip condor]

keep reading mf as mother fucker and ft as fucktard

[wary galleon]

with my ranged build..... IT FUCKING 1 SHOT THE CRUSHER

https://tenor.com/view/topsecret-cannon-cafeole-blackman-black-gif-19410325

[thick wolf]

how do you usually do a revolver build

is it all just crit chances

[wary galleon]

never gave it much thought

did a crit build

around hand cannon

[wanton dawn]

Revolver is not very build dependent

[wary galleon]

not including talents

[wanton dawn]

Like plasma

[wary galleon]

ye

[tiny summit]

Bolter looking at revolver

[tall torrent]

There’re typically 2 ways to build

Option 1 is play pseudo-sniper with a sharpshooter focused tree to maximize damage (this can 1 tap crushers)

Option 2 is to play weapon specialist quick swap revolver to deal with specials and mostly relying on melee to kill things

[untold mulch]

Btw FoxHope

This last 2 days I have seen the light 🙏

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-degrasse-tyson-some-of-us-like-it-small-i-like-it-big-thats-fine-understandable-gif-4563698

[untold mulch]

The light that comes out of the end result of the Bolter

[thick wolf]

for option 1, does that include Deadshot?

[tiny summit]

At least mag dumping a bolter will make me feel something more than any revolver use will

[thick wolf]

because man I can't vibe with losing stamina simply by virtue of looking a gun at it's sights

[wanton dawn]

Revolver like deadshot yeah

[fickle urchin]

Any tips on perks/blessings?

[thick wolf]

next you tell me my character is an emphysema patient with karked up lungs

[wary galleon]

now it looks more suitable to that wtf damage

[wanton dawn]

Tf2 medic called

[tiny summit]

It works wonders with revolver because you're usually only ADS for like a single target swap to melee and move on

[inland orchid]

MEM!

[wanton dawn]

POOTIS!

[tiny summit]

Didn't realize the weapon customization mod actually gave functionality to the special use. Swapping gun bash with a laser that does actually light up a good bit during lights out.

[inland orchid]

THANK YOU!

That spy’s not one of us!

[tall torrent]

Revolver build will usually have deadshot, yes

[wary galleon]

oh yea you can put on a flashlight or laser that only you can see. They put a battery on it so you can use it infinitely pretty neat

[untold mulch]

Only light helps, I wish I could slap a bayonet

[untold mulch]

on practical

[tall torrent]

If you really hate deadshot u could go with opening salvo’s 10% crit chance instead

[wanton dawn]

NOW HEAVY WILL ... DOWN YOUR ...

[inland orchid]

Heavy after the enemy team destroyed his friend’s dispenser (it just hit level 3)

[wary galleon]

a fine showcase of a mother ogryn feeding its spawn

[untold mulch]

I totally forgot opening salvo existence

No clue if I have it in my Bolter build

[tall torrent]

That talent needs a buff

Buff it from 10% to 25% or smth

It’s not great

[untold mulch]

It was funny with recon pre nerf

that 10% lasted a bit

but yeah only 10% of mag

is, bruh

[tall torrent]

Because for a 1 point cost talent

U could grab 5% crit chance

And that works all the time for both melee & ranged

[tall torrent]

Only 10% of mag is fine but the crit chance needs to be much higher to justify using over the regular 5% crit chance node

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-the-rock-eyebrow-eltorro64rus-gif-24523524

[wanton dawn]

Need an autoturret class.

[untold mulch]

Ye

[wanton dawn]

Alright, which one of ya did this ? https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fpls-buff-the-bolted-so-it-can-at-least-one-shot-toxic-v0-5hyjgho3v5dc1.jpeg%3Fs%3D58fbc84fa14f2baace409f2dabb4c1d117bc1ea9

[jolly hemlock]

melk just presented this to me is it brick or should i buy it? not really playing chainsword but the base stats are kinda lit

[wary galleon]

im read to fucking murder an entire habblock

[wanton dawn]

Its meh perk and blessing

[jolly hemlock]

alright then he can keep it ^^

[jaunty fiber]

wow quickplay needs a buff

if you can drop into simple damnation missions with like fucking shock trooper gauntlet mods on them, these bonuses ened to be doubled.

[white minnow]

eh that's the nature of quickplay and hishock has higher rewards

if i'm quickplaying, i always run meta stuff anyways since I know what I'm getting into (or well, I don't know what I'm getting into)

[finite imp]

Whoever the knife vet was blasting the Barbie world cover by ice spice while sync dancing with me in the middle of a horde you are built different

I thought I was unhinged

I cannot even fathom

Still fucking laughing

[jovial aurora]

lmao first trash roll on power sword

literally consecrated two of these turds to get here

could be a better first blessing but not a unusable one for sure

[wary galleon]

gets downed
"halp"

other teammate "i dont feel like it"
and just lets me die infront of him

[zealous wyvern]

give this to me now

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-give-it-to-me-please-now-hand-gif-4674856

[modest sapphire]

id say no. Non-meta could be the recon lasguns as their headshot potential is through the roof even on hipfire

[tall torrent]

Recon lasguns have really bad headshot dmg

[remote grotto]

what's the best keystone talent for plasma gun builds? still new to vet

[tall torrent]

Middle

[remote grotto]

tyty

[modest sapphire]

okay but stacking mf quickly with low headshot damage does more for you than slowly stacking with high damage (if comparing to helbore or lasguns). Especially because its so easy to lose the stacks. I have little experience using mf because its pointless to me

[tall torrent]

Marksman focus works best on guns that crit a lot and have very high finesse multipliers

As in, the headshot dmg is significantly higher than bodyshot

[modest sapphire]

recon las crits a loooooot

[tall torrent]

Yea but with barely more dmg

[wanton dawn]

Problem is: it competes with focus target passive utility

[tall torrent]

The best examples for marksman focus are Vraks 3 headhunter and laspistol

[tiny summit]

As a MF enjoyer and former recon copium person and trying out MF recon for a bit...I think it's ass

[hybrid isle]

Morning, Gamers

[wanton dawn]

Including the 7.5%-12% dmg increase

[modest sapphire]

80 crits in a row is better than one juicy crit on non meta weapons, which is what were comparing

[tall torrent]

Have u played with laspistol or vraks3 much

[modest sapphire]

yeah we arent saying mf works, just trying to validate using it

[modest sapphire]

vraks3 yes

[wanton dawn]

Also focus target is better combo with deadshot

[tiny summit]

I like MF on my lasguns

[wanton dawn]

With the stam node

[tiny summit]

Infantry las and helbores

[tall torrent]

Vraks 3 with marksman focus can be very good

[modest sapphire]

i know. Just trying to pretend that mf isnt dogwater for a minute

[jaunty fiber]

The nature of quickplay needs to change then

[modest sapphire]

ill try it

[tall torrent]

You need headhunter + deadly accurate

[modest sapphire]

do you also go executioners stance?

[jaunty fiber]

HIShock is exhausting, I'm not ok with having to sweat this hard for 345 plasteel aftery dying at the end

[tall torrent]

Not needed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1192391435392139284/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.01.04_-_03.35.39.18.mp4?ex=65bb5d0f&is=65a8e80f&hm=05f2e400ed3445a912781b56ec337aef39286a087e3bdba66e20b802e3ed7131&

[jaunty fiber]

This game can go fuck itself with that

[tall torrent]

This is a very basic vraks3 sharpshooter build with focus target

But MF would out-dmg it

[modest sapphire]

im down for anything that isnt columness, plasma, or revolver for a change lol

[wanton dawn]

Try brauto agri

[analog mural]

Hishock isn't exhausting, it's a refreshing walk on the beach

[modest sapphire]

are you using onslaught in that clip?

[jaunty fiber]

Spoken like a true ablist

[tall torrent]

No

[modest sapphire]

interesting. I find you can basically kill crushers with any autogun as long as you have onslaught but im kinda tired of the point investment so itll be nice to try this and see if I can go without

[wanton dawn]

My 4 maelstrom builds right now are plasma, columnus iag, agri brauto and i let ppl guess the last

[tiny summit]

Bayonet

[jaunty fiber]

I keep reading that as Boruto and getting very confused lmao

[tall torrent]

Headhunter doesn’t need onslaught

Vraks3 with 10% rending can do a lot of dmg

[modest sapphire]

yall should try the braced graia. shit feels like a minigun. throw on high deadshot and/onslaught and it fucks at close-mid range

[wanton dawn]

Braced agri is as strong as columnus iag imo

[white minnow]

the single-target DPS does fall behind and you can really feel it on bosses compared to the columnus, but I do like the agri brauto and its cleave

[modest sapphire]

magizine is too small to compete. I actually dont love agri for that reason. id rather the graia for braced. Agri has more range but im not using braced for range

[white minnow]

the inaccuracy of brautos was not as much of a limitation as I thought it'd be

[tall torrent]

I had this really cursed idea last night about a Vraks 3 gunpsyker build

[wanton dawn]

I mean, doesnt agri brauto have a bigger time to unload mag comparzed to ciag ?

[civic knot]

At what range does longshot give you at least +5% more damage?

[tall torrent]

8m+ I think

[white minnow]

yeah and the stagger is something I appreciate

[modest sapphire]

probably not cursed, especially if you got the full auto mod.

[white minnow]

the precision is whatever since most things happen up close, but I did miss being able to ADS sometimes

[tall torrent]

I don’t play with mods

The semi auto firerates in this game aren’t so high that I run into issues

[modest sapphire]

can someone help me understand which axes people use and why? Someone tried putting me on the rashad combat and it was way too slow and the alleged cleave granted by brutal momentum hardly replaced my better horde clear options

Not talking about chainaxe

[tall torrent]

Rashad needs u to build for breakpoints

It’s one of the best weapons but also one of the hardest weapons to roll for

[modest sapphire]

i have decapitator and brutal momentum

[tall torrent]

That’s the problem

[tiny summit]

Same. Darktide hipfire crosshairs are such fucking lies

[tall torrent]

Decapitator needs 1 hit kills for activate

You need headtaker + brutal momentum with unarmored perk

[modest sapphire]

you one hit 99% of trash mobs

[modest sapphire]

ill try it

[tall torrent]

It’s when you run into bruisers you start to notice

[wanton dawn]

I dont feel rashad

[tiny summit]

Shovel

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1195898912255512727/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.01.13_-_20.13.44.01.mp4?ex=65b5aaa7&is=65a335a7&hm=a0ffff8dac5f58fb067bef78ff532a4aa2e2d658cfd78dd0daac55c713260112&

[wanton dawn]

I refuse to play weapon with so many confusing blessings

[tiny summit]

What confusion? Smack em

[jovial aurora]

okay so PS is pretty fucking badass lol

[tiny summit]

Was using this until I got a mk3 shovel with hammerblow and put thrust on.

[jovial aurora]

it's not as aggresively hole cutting as my devils claw but it claps the mix ins pretty well

[tiny summit]

Yea. I like it but I've been liking other weapons that don't need some setup. I'd rather use so many other weapons over an unenergized PS hit

[jovial aurora]

that's what PS2 is for

[tiny summit]

Yea. Smack em

[jovial aurora]

charge smack

[tall torrent]

whoever came up with 10 blessings on shovel

[tiny summit]

Krieg fanboy in the Fatshark team

[tall torrent]

And only 5 are good

At least it’s not as cursed as devil’s claw

10 blessings, only 3 are relevant

[wanton dawn]

I heard you liked impact

[jovial aurora]

devils claw has some good blessings

[tranquil bronze]

Well...

[tall torrent]

Yea a grand total of 3

[jovial aurora]

alot of which are for cleave but it just makes it better at mowing down hords

to each their own lol i rock this one and it fucking claps

devastating strike proccs almost nonstop if you have desperado

[modest sapphire]

i love how many unique perks there are on vet that allow you to adopt a variety of blessings on weapons or playstyles, do we think theyre gonna nerf vet? is this unbalanced or is it just the nature of the character to be this cross talented?

[jovial aurora]

no it's just meant to be the swiss army knoiife

i hope anyway lol

[tall torrent]

Veteran has a ton of build diversity and that’s intended

A couple weapons need to be tuned down a bit

[modest sapphire]

same. I got like two builds I actually enjoy on zealot and psyker, three on ogryn, but vet i find that I'm always reinventing and trying new stuff that actually changes the way I play

[jovial aurora]

oh god here he goes about the zarona again

or wait you weren't that guy maybe

[tall torrent]

Me?

[untold mulch]

and one valiant soldier needs lifting up

[tall torrent]

Recon & shredder auto need buffs

[modest sapphire]

i feel like nothing needs to be said about the zarona lol. If youve used it you know

[jovial aurora]

i don't feel its OP or UP

i think it's in a good spot

[untold mulch]

2 valiant soldiers

[tall torrent]

Might as well as buff boltgun’s handling on the way out

[untold mulch]

2 and a quarter

[modest sapphire]

yeah I guess my time spent with boltgun just makes the revolver seem overpowered

[jovial aurora]

bolter has wayyyyy more burst dps

revolver takes aim, setup, and timing

[tall torrent]

Revolver is a weird one because it’s not as busted on zealot or Psyker but veteran has a ton of dmg talents that sends it much higher

[untold mulch]

Revolver is kinda op on some level

[trim steppe]

Boltgun and shredder could be brought back into relevance by increasing pinning fire again, just not as high as it was before. But then you're just running into the problem of making a gun rely on a blessing to be useful which isn't great.

[wise fossil]

Is the hand cannon bug still a thing?

[modest sapphire]

Maybe its surgical that needs a nerf

[tall torrent]

The damage you can do with revolver on veteran vs on zealot is not really comparable

[jovial aurora]

idk it's not like the p gun or anything. if it was any weaker there would be no reason to pick it over any of the headhunters

[tall torrent]

None of the headhunters kill maniac well

[trim steppe]

I love revolver on zealot but couldnt really get into it on vet. But everyone says its busted. Maybe I should give it another go

[jovial aurora]

they do if set up for ctrits and they have the same surgical that volver does

[trim steppe]

I think its cuz I want my vet to be a hail of lead, and revolver only gets a few shots

[jovial aurora]

volver generally don't tap em either unless crit or exstance

[tall torrent]

Vraks3 is the highest dps one and it still kills maniac slow

[white minnow]

the bullet magnetism would be the thing that I would certainly kill about revolvers

[tall torrent]

If you set up vraks7 properly for gunner breakpoints, you don’t kill maniac that well

[wary galleon]

#veteran-class message

[wanton dawn]

Low maniac dmg will put any vet gun into irrelevant territory

[tall torrent]

And headhunter autoguns don’t cleave

[modest sapphire]

try revolver with executioners stance or weapon specialist. Two different playstyles that both compliment the revolver

[trim steppe]

I think I'd lean weapon specialist, not having to reload and being able to always hot swap to delete a threat before diving back into melee sounds grand

[modest sapphire]

its the safest way to use executioners stance in pubs just because you can swap between melee so fast

how do people use revolver and p gun to melt bosses. I feel like im always lacking compared to what I see other vets do

[sterile wadi]

Shoot them in the face

[modest sapphire]

maybe I need to spec more into weakspot damage with them. I usually don't since they already hit most breakpoints without them

[civic knot]

Which one of these talent trees is best for this shotgun and shovel? Notice that I added the reload speed talent in the 2nd tree

[sterile wadi]

I don't know anything about breakpoints or builds I just shoot them in the weak spots after pointing at them for more damage

[tiny summit]

Along with post mag dump clarity

"Bolter that needs to be reloaded 1 at a time"

[civic knot]

Btw ive done extensive testing for what works for me and I wont change anything in these trees. Which one would you pick if you had the choice?

[trim steppe]

I'd probably choose the second one with the middle top talents

[tiny summit]

Always feel like tinkerer under krak is a troll placement since krak already deletes a crusher

[civic knot]

I'd agree in a heartbeat as well... The only catch is that if you run out of ammo in the chamber while facing several gunners/shotgunners/ragers, you have to reload a couple bullets then shoot again

So hmmm

[untold mulch]

You have shot your entire mag

At what cost?

15% of your ammo

gone

[civic knot]

Maybe remove grenade tinkerer and reload talent for weapon specialist and add longshot and 30% reload speed

[untold mulch]

reduced to ashes

[civic knot]

Boss dmg tho?

[trim steppe]

Just dont run out of ammo

[civic knot]

I said ammo "in the chamber"

[civic knot]

But essentially what I'm doing is trading 50% krak nade dmg for +10% reload speed and like 10% more ranged dmg from longshot (on average)

I don't think that trade is worth it... Thoughts, anyone?

[sleek garden]

This has a chance of being crazy in auric maelstrom where it's only scab faction

[trim steppe]

If you can still handle crushers without hte extra krak damage I think it's a good trade. If you start struggling with crushers I think its a bad trade

[civic knot]

Crushers are one shot anyway

[civic knot]

In spite of the boss damage loss?

[trim steppe]

Cuz you can still wollop monsters with or without krak damage

And usually so can everyone else on your team

[civic knot]

Hmmm

[trim steppe]

Monsters are usually just bad if you get caught fighting one in a mixed horde. if you can still delete the horde you're good

[civic knot]

But if we were to compare the reload talents...

Is 20% speed whenever you get ANY melee kill worse than 30% on an elite/specialist kill?

Cause the 20% one from weapon specialist can help me reload a bit faster without any elites present when fighting a boss

[trim steppe]

Idk, i'd guess it works out to be roughly the same on aurics when you're killing lots of elites. Personally I don't worry about boss damage too much because killing one in 20 seconds vs 25 seconds doesnt really matter as much as consistently being able to deal with everything else for 30 minutes

[tall torrent]

u don't need that 20% reload speed node

just the ammo refill is enough

[civic knot]

Not for the agripiina shotgun

It has too many bullets and I need that speed when fighting gunners/shotgunners/ragers

[tall torrent]

oh that, I'd go 20% reload prob

[civic knot]

@tall torrent Thoughts on this?

[tiny summit]

It activated the almonds

[untold mulch]

[trim steppe]

As long as I can deal decent damage to monsters I don't care about min maxing it. It's only in like 10% of matches that my team cant do monster damage and I have to do it. Every other match theres a TH zealot and a bolter vet and a mk19 shovel ogryn deleting it. Im much more focused on making my build consistenly strong against every other threat, monsters are at the bottom of the list for me

[civic knot]

Alright, so final question: Do you think 30% reload speed on elite/spec kill is better than 20% reload speed on any melee kill?

[trim steppe]

My losing matches are usually ended by a barrel or some shit instead of a chaos spawn

[sleek garden]

They're meant for a certain distance I think

[trim steppe]

I'd probably go 20% on any kill personally

[civic knot]

The melee one for weapon specialist?

I think I agree...

[tiny summit]

The crosshairs definitely spread far more than the actual cone of fire implies

Downloaded that crosshair fix mod and it actually makes sense now

[civic knot]

It allows me to reload to prep even when there are no elites/specials around

[wise fossil]

Speaking of weapon specialist, what do y'all think of the melee half buffs? Instant 20% stamina regain and 25% stam cost reduction for 3 s

[sleek garden]

When you get your toughness broken?

[wise fossil]

They both trigger on activating melee specialist

[civic knot]

Dont put your self in the position where you need instant stamina Regen. Just manage it well and you'll be fine most of the time

[sleek garden]

Oh

[tiny summit]

Wouldn't care unless your melee weapon has a really good push attack. Maybe shovels with the Take A Swing blessing

[wise fossil]

That's pretty much what I thought. Seems like a nice safety net but good play can make it unnecessary

[wise fossil]

Well I might run it then 😅 I was looking at a Mk7 shovel plus agri shotty right tree focus

[tiny summit]

Would also be there in case if sprinting into a poxburster and didn't have stam...Definitely never done that. It was a friend who told me

[wise fossil]

Extra free stamina could be interesting with Deadshot too

With the silent poxbursters right now it's definitely way easier to do that

[untold mulch]

I am mostly sure they are mid-spawn half the time

even with spider sense soimetimes thye just appear

[trim steppe]

Yeah free stam is awesome with deadshot builds

[wise fossil]

Alright I'll give it a try tonight. Wanted to try a close up melee/shotty build and deadshot seems good for that

[granite shale]

What’s a solid build that increases survivability and damage with a bolter? I tried plasma gun and hated it lol

[wise fossil]

Something like this for shovel/agri shotty

[tall torrent]

Works?

[tiny summit]

This image is unappealing to the eyes

[wise fossil]

Mobile gameslantern sorry 😭

I agree

[iron marten]

It looks like you applied reshade on gameslantern lmfao

[tiny summit]

How?

[tiny summit]

Bitch I screenshot on phone!

[finite imp]

bolter

[untold mulch]

Bolter with how I tried, you want to get crit

[wise fossil]

Browser darkmode really messes with some websites

[tiny summit]

A vet with some hair on their chest not running Iron Will

[earnest lodge]

or confirmed kill