veteran-class

[leaden grove]

but there not really your target with that vraks

[finite imp]

I already didnt like headhunter weapons

[tranquil bronze]

MOMMY! Hadron is being mean!

[finite imp]

But the mark 7 is tolerable

Cousin to the revolver

[frank basin]

is vrak mark 7 is burst or semi?

[finite imp]

Bolter is the revolvers big bro

[leaden grove]

il get under her desk

[finite imp]

Semi

[frank basin]

oh

[tranquil bronze]

Vraks is the ultimate seggs toy, is that really a surprise?

[finite imp]

Yeah they buffed the mk 7 and nerfed other stats to give headhunter users a heavier hitter

[finite imp]

It even has a bassier sound now

[leaden grove]

mk7 also has some weird hit reg issues

[finite imp]

I noticed -_-

Felt like my bullets were vanished

Vanishing

I wish fatshark would roll out another big bunch of weapon tweaks at least

[leaden grove]

the bullet fairy took them

[finite imp]

Buff recon, give the fanning revolver better pen and damage

Etc

[leaden grove]

buff bolter too

please

[frank basin]

reduce bolter draw time

[finite imp]

Bolter needs something done to it

[finite imp]

That's would be good

[leaden grove]

more ammo less recoil and more damage

[finite imp]

Increase stability a little

[leaden grove]

like 20 in the mag

[finite imp]

20 round mag would be good

[frank basin]

20 mags round woah

[finite imp]

I have so many bolters that just sit there

Never use them

They used to be so good

[frank basin]

that going compete plasma

[leaden grove]

thats kind what i want

[finite imp]

Plasma is so overtuned it makes the game boring

[leaden grove]

because bolter has so much burst ad plasma has just constant damage

[frank basin]

Thunk!

[finite imp]

I think plasma should reduce direct hits and increase collateral

[frank basin]

bolter go Thunk!

[strange sparrow]

Plasma overheat should do chip damage

[finite imp]

Make it like a nade launcher

[strange sparrow]

[finite imp]

Plasma is super heated gas, it should shine in AOE

[leaden grove]

doesnt its vent damage your toughness already?

[leaden grove]

i can agree

[finite imp]

I can say fuck a duck eat shit and die rip a man in half with a sword while he screams for mommy

[strange sparrow]

Chip toughness is like

not really infuential

[finite imp]

But if you dare say penis

[strange sparrow]

VoC override that

[leaden grove]

i want grenade launcher for vet

[leaden grove]

it used to do alot of chunk to your toughness

[finite imp]

Murder and genocide? 👌
Sex? ❌

[tranquil bronze]

I know how you feel

[light sequoia]

I'm still waiting on the Bolt Pistol

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/mate-cheers-demoman-gif-18514440

[tranquil bronze]

Especially when Guilliman is getting it on with Yvraine?

[finite imp]

If they do this they should make the bandolier of nades make a jingling noise when you sprint

That would be such a neat detail

[leaden grove]

he gets it

[finite imp]

Same with hellgun

I want jingly bandolier

Heavy auto I mean

Stubber

The stubber would be cool if it would let use get a stability boost when mounting cover.

Y'know one of our classes trademark abilities

[sharp ember]

i try to use the cover peek whenever i can to look tactical

[finite imp]

I mean you don't only look tactical

It's tactical

[sharp ember]

those dreg cultists beaming my forehead usually beg to differ

[sharp ember]

having side leaning for corners would be neat too

[woven coral]

what do I put on this one?

in terms of blessings and perks

[strange sparrow]

If you think about it

Eldar Babe does make it sound nice

[strange sparrow]

Oh man...

[junior needle]

hb2 wants at least +unarmored for perks for dreg shooter breakpoint

[strange sparrow]

Change your Unyielding to Unarmored to one shot kill Dreg Gunner Breakpoint

[junior needle]

onslaught and replace sus with surgical

[strange sparrow]

Change Sustained Fire to Surgical

Yeaa

[junior needle]

[upbeat yarrow]

agree. increase to crit chance is a major boon

[strange sparrow]

Even with Max Onslaught, You would get 10% crit chance when fully charge

so it's alright

[woven coral]

thanks for the help cheers

[marble bridge]

i mean once you factor in other stuff (deadshot/wspec) you only need like 30% crit to cap out

[umbral scaffold]

girlyman

[junior needle]

ws on helbore

Is there an interaction I'm missing

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Bojjx_Dew

You missed this interaction (it happened a long time ago)

[marble bridge]

free crit for merely using your melee weapon

[strange sparrow]

Funny gameplay

Im not gonna complain thou

[tall torrent]

Godroll HB2 wants unarmored + maniac, surgical/onslaught/no respite

[junior needle]

There's uh, better options for keystones if you're using helbore

And way better choices of weapon for WS

[umbral scaffold]

hey #veteran-class do you all think that yakub would have liked darktide?

[pearl granite]

does this look good?

[torpid igloo]

yakub made the ogryns

[umbral scaffold]

He most certainly did

[tall torrent]

Devastating strike is pretty bad I’d swap it for rampage
Block efficiency swap to maniac/flak probably

[pearl granite]

thanks

[junior needle]

Keep in mind that you can't proc rampage on bruisers, but it does give power. so you need to start fights off with heavies to proc it and keep it going if you don't have wrath.

[tranquil bronze]

How overpowered would Infantry Las be if it was able to have Surgical?

[pearl granite]

so heavy swing to hit at least 3 enemies, then after 3s, heavy again?

[junior needle]

Nope, if rampage is giving power (as multiple people said) then you should be able to proc it with light attacks after.

[tranquil bronze]

[junior needle]

I will check though

[spring spindle]

Im digging the new Vet outfit more than I expected

Plus the Scion helmet is cool

[marble bridge]

convert diamantine to plasteel when obesefish

[spring spindle]

That. And maybe. Trading one stat on a weapon for another.

Like. Take away 10% mobility. Add 10% of (insert stat)

[sharp ember]

I swear mk4 chainsword heavies can hit 3 bruisers

we have mk4 and mk13 chainsword, where is mk5 - mk12 chainswords

oh you meant lightspam to hit 3 bruisers

i’m a heavy spammer with mk4, or heavy>light when i need to

[junior needle]

Nope, seems like you need more than just rampage to do 3 bruisers on the light horizontals.

[tall torrent]

It looks good

[glacial yacht]

whats the best headhunter auto?

never messed with them

[tranquil bronze]

Oh finally... HH III

[tiny summit]

Missing 5% dmg on that perk. Unusable

[tranquil bronze]

You're unusable.

[frank basin]

is he going say cope? is he going say cope? is he going say cope?

[tranquil bronze]

Poke

[frank basin]

Coke

https://tenor.com/view/telmo-coca-harina-raquetaso-esnifar-gif-25660568

[tiny summit]

You know who else is unusable?

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-gif-22328611

[spring spindle]

Damn right

[junior needle]

Both vraks 3 and 7 are good, agri 9 is there I guess.

[tiny summit]

I will wait for its eventual better recolor

[crude ermine]

In 32 weeks

[tiny summit]

Worth or I saved money when I'm not playing it

5 waifu gachas and this crafting gacha taking up all my time

[polar kayak]

hi, can i get some advice with this?

[tranquil bronze]

Swap Punishing Salvo for Dumdum

[tiny summit]

Punishing > DumDum
Weak Spot > flak

Or maniac

[glacial yacht]

agreed

[tranquil bronze]

I'd go flak

[tiny summit]

Flak prob better

[glacial yacht]

really anything works even unyeilding

[junior needle]

The gun is severely overtuned, you could run it gray

[polar kayak]

thanks everyone 🙂

[tiny summit]

And then fatshark turns it into a super soaker like recon

It would be funny if recon and CIAG got swapped places

[junior needle]

The ttk on flak could use a boost, it already blows up maniacs quite well so the maniac perk is more for ammo efficiency

[marble bridge]

god can you imagine the ammo efficiency on recons if they did columnus damage

that + the crit suite and the no ammo on crit and you reach like infantry lasgun ammo

[barren cave]

nothing should behave like columnus

[tiny summit]

Do it. It'd be funny. Then we'd have threads of vet needing to be nerfed because laser piss is dominatin

[barren cave]

Im so scared they are gonna nerf the shit out of columnus

[polar kayak]

is this good or bad?

[marble bridge]

good

its super strong

[tiny summit]

Good for us. It's a good weapon. Possibly bad in the future if Fatshark decides to take action

[polar kayak]

yay, speaking of recon lasguns.. this is my other baby. i just finished a damnation with 0 deaths and 642.3k dmg, competing with another veteran with plasmagun... he did 714.2k

[tiny summit]

Could they bring it down to a reasonable level? Possibly. But we see what they did to recon when it wasn't even godlike

[barren cave]

columnus is also just very good on all the classes

[marble bridge]

video game devs balance their game properly challenge (impossible)

[tranquil bronze]

Yeah Fatshark hates fun

[tiny summit]

But helbores are fun

[barren cave]

I hope they reduce bolter draw times, please fs 🙏

[marble bridge]

worth it?

[tiny summit]

I shouldn't say that. Fatshark gonna take notice

[low oar]

You ever wonder what the fuck your teammates are doing?

[tranquil bronze]

Penetration is no good, so I would say no

[low oar]

Had to clutch from last man alive like 3 times

[junior needle]

Severely overtuned = numbers too gud

[marble bridge]

alr

[junior needle]

Infernus without headhunter is rough

[tranquil bronze]

Mobility here would be your dump stat

You want the rest to be minimum 70%

[low oar]

What's the dump stat on a plasma?

[marble bridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1195617733145006100/horriblyinefficient.mp4?ex=65b4a4c9&is=65a22fc9&hm=647e6b33084bd31eabda24278326cf55975bab6859917ba418aec1fc2ce00f62&

[polar kayak]

owo7

[marble bridge]

other example of columnus being powerful

[junior needle]

You might want to swap out weakspot damage, unless you did that purely for the test

[polar kayak]

yes, i don't have lv4 dumdum or headhunter yet 😭 i have 185 hrs on steam playtime. i might be an addict

[tiny summit]

Charge and thermal atm. Charge may be made better in the future and not just be a option to soak up your ammo. Thermal may be needed if they ever make tap firing actually blow you up

[low oar]

Charge is probably the better dump stat

[marble bridge]

i was also wearing three green stamina curios for that specifically lol

[low oar]

At least thermal could let you get another shot out before having to vent

[junior needle]

HH is the best blessing. Bugged dumdum is also very good but less noticeable on recons than IAG's. If it ever gets fixed to actually do what the description says then it's an easy replace.

[marble bridge]

i was just messing around and the fact that its even possible to oneclip a damnation plague ogryn is kinda bonkers

and thats without dumdum on

[polar kayak]

damn, monstrosity melted D:

[marble bridge]

yea

[junior needle]

16k dps

without ping keystone

[tranquil bronze]

This should be illegal

[junior needle]

Charge rate currently because no one uses the charge attacks

[marble bridge]

tbf thats with 15 stack mf

which is like 112% finesse

[spring spindle]

Is plasma charge shot not worth?

[marble bridge]

i can try that again with ping keystone and see if its higher

[frank basin]

kill zone node is kinda idk; niche or gimmick?

[tiny summit]

Good

[marble bridge]

i was taking literally every possible source of +damage even if its not good normally

[tiny summit]

Kill zone and catch a breath are good since it's actually incredibly common to have them active

[marble bridge]

is why clip is titled horribly inefficient

[polar kayak]

when dumdum gets fixed, does that mean fire frenzy would be the next best thing?

[frank basin]

i think ill treat killzone as sniper kind, but it disabled by melee enemies around and even back, or nearby.

[tiny summit]

Of course. It all depends on your positioning and playstyle. My favorite way to play atm is helbores and infantry las so I lean to it more

[frank basin]

that's fit

[junior needle]

Probably not due to the particulars of proccing fire frenzy vs keeping dumdum up. Also depends on if any adjustments are actually made.

"close range damage" is bogus apparently and is just damage on ff

[frank basin]

i really want close range be extend longer than 7 meter

[junior needle]

It might remain bogus on a fixed dumdum. The bugged version might become the new official version of it as well.

[polar kayak]

sad, it does take longer to kill something in damnation to proc fire frenzy

[junior needle]

It used to be 15

Pre talent patch

[frank basin]

are we in patch 16?

[junior needle]

Probably 15 part 2?

[tiny summit]

15 part 2

[frank basin]

oh

[tiny summit]

16 will be the next big content patch

Whenever that is

[polar kayak]

how do you guys feel about plasma guns? i got a nice one... i don't like it, i think i exploded myself charging it up and my character shook the gun and i died

[junior needle]

||Next week||

[marble bridge]

any yall know what range this stops? does it work at 15m

[frank basin]

i want new weapon like people keep wishing melta gun, hellgun/hotshot lasgun, grenade launcher, veteran stubber, or they mention new class.

[marble bridge]

is good, just need to think

[frank basin]

i tested it work at 7 meter as close range what it means

[marble bridge]

like psyker

[marble bridge]

like it stops at 7m?

[frank basin]

yeah

[marble bridge]

dam

[junior needle]

Surprising

Ff says close damage and works at any range

[frank basin]

it suck i tested on my graia brauto FF blessing and speedload

[tiny summit]

Don't charge it. Tap fire. It's one of vets best weapons. It can answer every enemy in the game. Higher difficulties mean more specials/elites, which means more ammo on return. Just gotta manage ammo and not waste it to a degree

[low oar]

Have all ammo sacrificed to you and kill everything

Rip and tear

[tiny summit]

Is that insider info or copium?

[polar kayak]

oh, i suck with accuracy on it... i learned its shot is very concentrated. it could be fun for when i don't wanna run around the map and be lazy farming maybe :3

[frank basin]

Hopium

you know, i can snipe my graia brauto far away

[junior needle]

It’s ||an OG meme||

[frank basin]

like 15-16 meter

[tiny summit]

But yea you can't blow up tap firing atm. And the charge is likely using more ammo to overkill than it would cost just shooting twice

[junior needle]

Obese fish was constantly giving the excuse of next week back near release

And then being late with whatever it was

[tiny summit]

SoonTM Warframe energy

[marble bridge]

at this point its literally just crit rng as to wether i get 16k or 18k

[frank basin]

i stop pplaying warframe consistently very grindy and time gatekeeping prevent me farm further, until i get burnout.

had like 1,353 hours

[tiny summit]

Lemme look real quick

[marble bridge]

hey look at that

[gusty crane]

I have 2k hours in Warframe. It's still good. What do you refer to as gatekeeping?

[frank basin]

i keep farm zariman standing daily for Arcane god sake, so expensive. and bounty all time.

[tiny summit]

3.9k hours with at least 3 6 month long breaks and atm haven't played consistently since deimos.

[frank basin]

time gatekeeping*

basically standing are limited reset daily at 6pm

[tiny summit]

Building my new warframe and having to either pay or fuck off for 3 days

[gusty crane]

Ah, okay.

[tiny summit]

Standing too

[leaden grove]

build

[frank basin]

im lazy to farm warframe

[leaden grove]

please

[frank basin]

is very grindist much i just buy from market

[polar kayak]

thinking about lv 4 gets hot! or maybe 25% maniacs or something else?

[frank basin]

like prime i buy 99% of time

on market

[wanton dawn]

I love time gatekeeping. Cool game design. Very nice

[gusty crane]

Never bothered me. Just do something else for a bit. I only ever spent 50$, as that is what I'm do with free to play games after 100+ hours of investment.

[frank basin]

what's that suppose means?

[gusty crane]

Never needed to use the plat, though.

[frank basin]

non-prime i can farm it

[wanton dawn]

Whatever you want pasta boy

[frank basin]

what?

[wanton dawn]

What ?

[gusty crane]

So I've had it lying around since the start.

[frank basin]

i used to farm non-prime frame like has lot energy to farm

as now im low energy barely play any games

for fun

that's i start uninstall warframe just for break

[tiny summit]

I forget where I go to see how much I've spent on a game in steam but I've definitely spent more.

[frank basin]

their new content new map enemies just tougher

level 200+

[marble bridge]

its bad please dont use this in actual games

also stanima curios

[gusty crane]

Enjoy almost all Diablo like experiences. Well, except for diablo three and four. 😅

[leaden grove]

i love gimic boss killing builds

[marble bridge]

thats literally cap

highest starting level is 180

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-path-of-exile-login-play-poe-login-gif-26508840

[leaden grove]

thank you

[marble bridge]

the new stuff on deimos is also the exact same level as zariman lo

[frank basin]

no i means the new area whisper of the wall

[marble bridge]

yes

[frank basin]

there's enemies literally level 268

the Murmur

not kuva lich murmur

[marble bridge]

netracells?

[tiny summit]

Feel like I should play PoE more. But I feel like might as well wait until 2 comes out sometime this decade

[frank basin]

yes

[marble bridge]

those are 220-240 to start lol

and dont scale up

[gusty crane]

Getting better all the time.

[marble bridge]

SP netracells did go higher, starting at 295

but DE removed that

[frank basin]

did they/

[marble bridge]

yes

[frank basin]

recently?

[marble bridge]

like 3 weeks ago lol

[frank basin]

i see

so what level of netracell then?

[marble bridge]

.

[frank basin]

okay

[marble bridge]

also theyre capped to 5/week so its realistically a slightly easier archon hunt

[frank basin]

yeah

it was pain

even pub one frame guy play volt got himself downed often

like nobody can deal damage that much

some

[marble bridge]

builds issue ig

i can kill shit at levelcap lol

[frank basin]

im not great building dmg frame

i just run like meme build

payday 2 perk deck build

that were long ago

i still had it

[marble bridge]

who was it with the recommendations for columnus blessings

how we feel about stripped down with the stam regen on getting shot skill tree perk

[polar kayak]

if you were earning lv4 blessings again for the first time, would you wait patiently for sire melk to have one for sale or try to roll a 370+ weapon from shop with hadron with plasteel and ordo docket farming?

[tiny summit]

All depends on how much you play. Most will save melk coins for either a god roll or a nice blessing to salvage. If you play enough and you get a nice weapon. Why not just level it up?

[quartz sapphire]

Do I have to do long bomb and the other penances for the cosmestics to get the black helmet?

[polar kayak]

thanks, i'm gonna try being patient. the game keeps getting me to play more after i tell myself i'm done for a while, it gives me something nice to build D:

[low oar]

<@&735928989146939404>

[tough tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-2813086212540319582

i fucking saw that

[quartz sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/im-dead-dead-bruh-skeleton-dead-bruh-skeleton-dead-im-dead-bruh-gif-26854866

Same

[low oar]

Benn on my second monitor for like 5 min

[last parcel]

saving that

[tiny summit]

I'm starting to just roll for easy contracts and get them out of the way for the week and then I only play if my friend wants some games. I need to play other games

[tidal rapids]

Brunt actually got good stock this time

Hadron then promptly saddled me with this. What should I change?

[polar kayak]

this is currently the only game i'm interested in playing, the action is too good ... what else would you want to play?

[thick wolf]

what do you think?

[marble bridge]

better stats (vaguely, depends how much stability you want) but worse perk/blessing so youd be hoping for god roll on both upgrades

[steep harbor]

A true weapon beloved of the Omnissiah

[thick wolf]

bought this profane boltgun from brunt and uhhh, ow

[unreal bone]

what do toughness curios cap out at?

17?

Also ew omg the new revolver skin iron sights are fucking terrible.

Wtf fartshart

It has a front sight post, they just didn't model it properly so you can't actually see it.

[terse idol]

little broke

Known bug iirc

[quartz sapphire]

So, do I have all the penances even in cosmestics to get the black helmet?

[thick wolf]

are you referring to On Target?

[unreal bone]

I hope they fix it.

The revolver skin is sick, I love it--it's way more angular and blocky than the standard revolvers.

[terse idol]

oh i have no doubt

When is te issuue

[quartz sapphire]

Like the one where you not to take melee damage

[unreal bone]

I mean you can see the front sight post when you shoot cause the recoil brings it into view

So Idk how they're gonna fix it without editing the model.

That sounds like too much work for fartshart

[thick wolf]

probably

[terse idol]

The cosmetics you get from penance won't show up in stores as far as we know

[steep harbor]

Time to Las some heretics

[terse idol]

Naww, I mean they did adjust the kreiger chest rig before, fs isn't afraid of changing models

[tranquil bronze]

O_O

[quartz sapphire]

Like I can avoid that penance and still get the black helmet?

[terse idol]

No

You need to do the penance to get that gear

[quartz sapphire]

So I have to do the cosmetics penances then to get it?

[terse idol]

There hasn't been a way we've seen to buy it

[terse idol]

Yes

[thick wolf]

unless you count the recolors in the commissary

[quartz sapphire]

So more grinding, sigh

[terse idol]

There are some that aren't available

[tranquil bronze]

Well I got my Vraks 7 for life...

[terse idol]

Like the final black guardsmen helmet

[thick wolf]

yeah the penances pretty much force you to play selfish

[terse idol]

Well penance set 1 certainly

Set 2 is better

[thick wolf]

final black guardsman helmet? you mean the one on the cover art?

[unreal bone]

Ayo rank my Tank Commander fit

https://tenor.com/view/baneblade-sirtoddy-gif-15960408

[thick wolf]

now all you need is a tank

[terse idol]

No the guardsmen helmet that all the guardsmen in the mourning star wear

[quartz sapphire]

Meant this helmet

[terse idol]

Yeah thats set 1

[unreal bone]

And I also need the Cadian 802nd Tank Commander legs to come out so I can not use the armored ones lol.

[quartz sapphire]

So set 1 does include the cosmetic penances?

[terse idol]

Set 1 penances have cosmetic penances yeah

Like the one you said, take no health damage

Or.

The other one

Me eepu

[quartz sapphire]

God those are hard af

[terse idol]

You'll do it

[pastel geode]

The accuracy penance

[terse idol]

Eventually

[quartz sapphire]

I rather pay someone

[terse idol]

I hit 300 hours and I completed the first and second sets

[quartz sapphire]

Oof

[tranquil bronze]

Accuracy penance isn't hard

Just use plasma

[terse idol]

Or revolverrr

[thick wolf]

o

[fresh grail]

those green glasses, all i've been wearing for months. Enough driptide for me, no spending 💪

[tranquil bronze]

This was certainly a pain in the ass

[sharp ember]

if you are playing with an ammo regen vet you can equip your melee for the rest of the mission once you hit 0 ammo, and the recovered ammo won’t count

[umbral scaffold]

I'd just switch off the ammo aura at that point myself

Although given how you'll probably run into another ammo aura vet

Lol

[unreal bone]

My 3 main veteran outfits love em

[umbral scaffold]

The Scions helmet looks nice
I just wish it also came with the actual heavy scions armor

[unreal bone]

I mean the 2nd outfit I posted is pretty close, if not a bit chunkier than normal.

[sharp ember]

is the 2nd set implemented in the game yet or is this ForTheDrip

[umbral scaffold]

And well
I wish that it wasn't so expensive

[tranquil bronze]

I wish I had gotten those pants on that third image

[umbral scaffold]

[unreal bone]

It's not implemented yet, but I'm planning ahead.

[unreal bone]

They aren't out yet.

[umbral scaffold]

Plus I'll probably wait for a Kaskrin outfit

[unreal bone]

That set has been in the game code for over 12 months

[umbral scaffold]

I like the Kaskrin drip more

[sharp ember]

dammit, that’s my dream fit other than a fully enclosed flak helmet with visor

[umbral scaffold]

And I'm sure fatshark will sell it eventually

[torpid igloo]

whatre the decent melee weapons w vet

[unreal bone]

They're taking their sweet ass time.

[torpid igloo]

struggling heavy picking this char up again after the skill tree update

[marble bridge]

ayo mod that lets you fake your glam? where

i might want

[unreal bone]

They know it would sell like candy and it's been in the code for over 12 months.

[umbral scaffold]

Shovel for defensive/dodge options
Psword for clearing mixed hordes

Claw is also fine

[unreal bone]

You can't make things but you can preview cosmetics that have been out or are in the code.

[marble bridge]

ya

[umbral scaffold]

Psword 6 lets you stab overhead crushers and 2 cycle them

[marble bridge]

lets you use shop items and other stuff in the code without spending money

[umbral scaffold]

And has horizontal lights that clear

Shovel has sick dodge distance

And the alt mode is pretty solid for 1tapping mutants and small stuff

[unreal bone]

No you can't make things.

You can preview that's what I said

[umbral scaffold]

And can take down lone maulers and crushers

[marble bridge]

literally just preview?

[umbral scaffold]

Well that's why they're slow
They'reFatshark for a reason

Joking aside I'm used to the slow updates myself

[marble bridge]

kinda worthless then nvm

[umbral scaffold]

It is just amusing to see they're doing the Vermintide 2 style of

"updates will come very slowly after people get tired of waiting"

[unreal bone]

Yes.

It's not worthless lmao

[umbral scaffold]

VT2 suffered worse at least lol

[unreal bone]

can't have fomo if you know what's coming out in the future.

[tidal rapids]

Easily done with a revolver, pick your shots carefully and never pick up ammo.

[umbral scaffold]

VT2 had like 2 years of death

After WoM

[marble bridge]

🤷‍♀️ worthless to me since im never gonna spend money on the cash shop

[umbral scaffold]

Just 2 years straight of "dead game dead game abandoned game"

[unreal bone]

Can this revolver be salvaged?

Surgical seems not terrible and unyielding seems good.

[umbral scaffold]

Yeh

[torpid igloo]

👍 ty

[umbral scaffold]

Change gloryhunter and infested

And I'd use that

Handcannon and flak and that's already a good filler piece

[unreal bone]

btw

what % does toughness curio cap out at

17 or 18?

[sharp ember]

good lookin revolver to me once you swap Gloryhunter to Handcannon and Infested to anything else

17%

[umbral scaffold]

Unyielding isn't the best
But it will be useful shooting at BoNs and Reapers

Infested is a meme

[sharp ember]

as long as it isn’t +% groaners and poxwalkers

[umbral scaffold]

Yup

Good blessing + decent perk and good stats is good enough

[unreal bone]

Tbh I like Unyielding.

70% rending on a crit hit fucks shit up

[marble bridge]

plogryns too

p sure chaos spawn asw but i havent acutally checked

[umbral scaffold]

Oh ye

But I wouldn't shoot plague Ogryns myself

They're more annoying than scary

Same with chaos spawn
If I can just melee them I would do it ( unless my melee is garbage)

[marble bridge]

only scary one is chaos spawn tbh

[umbral scaffold]

Plague Ogryn also has a funny habit of yeeting pubs into death holes

[tranquil bronze]

This is definitely a god roll... Just need to find a DA III or IV.

[marble bridge]

its also the easiest to beam with a columnus lol

[umbral scaffold]

Yup

[sharp ember]

is Unarmored desired on HH7?

[tranquil bronze]

Unarmored is good... it will allow one shotting Dreg gunners

[simple hinge]

Hi fellows, I'd like to know whether I should choose Auto- or Las- guns? I'm having trouble deciding it.

[fresh grail]

any gun can work in current patch, just comes down to personal preference and what you want ou of a weapon

lasguns and autoguns are varied enough that you can't really make blanket statements on them anymore. Used to be that lasguns overal had more ammo but they balanced them closer together

[strange sparrow]

Don’t listen to that and take the auto infantry gun

[nova sedge]

It is playable

[strange sparrow]

You would have more fun playing autogun because it does it job of killing stuff

[fresh grail]

slaves to the meta

[strange sparrow]

Rather than contemplating did I build my gun wrongly

That I can’t one shot head a guy with a lasgun

[strange sparrow]

heresy gamer

I love the only evidences show was getting hard carried by other 2 dude on auric Mael with recon las

Deadweight is deadweight, can’t change that

[crude ermine]

You can eat the deadweight

Sorry that's my hungry self talking there

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/kel-omori-kel-quaso-omori-gif-27447551

[fresh grail]

Helbore lasguns are perfectly fine in current patch, you can't just say 'autoguns are better than lasguns'

[strange sparrow]

I’m not gonna elaborate after that

If he’s asking for autogun and lasgun

Take the autogun because he’s gonna be having more fun

And not choosing the wrong gun family

[fresh grail]

that's your subjective opinion, not everyone is like you.

hard concept to grasp for some

[strange sparrow]

And it’s your subjective opinion the other day to say recon las is auric-able while we stated otherwise

[fresh grail]

there is no 'wrong gun family' here and anyone telling people that hasn't played Darktide long enough or is just straight bad.

[fresh grail]

Brother who cares about a discussion from days ago. We agree to disagree, i think your opinions are ass, and you think mine are ass

just leave it at that

Taking everything so personal, sheesh. Just talk about builds and the game

[strange sparrow]

Still can’t convince me inverse damage falloff for a gun isn’t suck

So I would just say all lasgun suck (Hellbore charged shot doesn’t get impact on inverse for certain armor)

[fresh grail]

And i dont want or care to convince you, i'm talking more to the lurkers in here

You just brought up a discussion i had in here days ago out of nowhere, felt a bit odd so i had to comment

[thick wolf]

in other news, I've played with an NA team and surprisingly

the ping isn't too awful?

[strange sparrow]

You thought it was personal but I just find your argument about Lasgun is a blanket wise spam of it’s alright

While in reality it isn’t and it is misguiding newer player to invest in the gun and suck hard with them

[thick wolf]

like I live in the other side of the world I was expecting it to be virtually unplayable

[quick steeple]

ive played NA/AUS on multiple occasions, rarely have an issue unless servers are struggling as a whole ya

[strange sparrow]

It has been not once nor twice that stuff come up like this

[fresh grail]

Someone came in specifically asking "how do i make this recon las good" and then you and other pepegas in here spend 30 minutes dodging the question

[strange sparrow]

It’s just a reality that lasgun aren’t doing great

[quick steeple]

bruh just let it go lol

[strange sparrow]

We did, in the end we told you that even with all the bandaid from Veteran, it wouldn’t be as great as other gun could be.

[fresh grail]

And i had no disagreement there. The disagreement was 'is this gun viable for auric', and it is

[thick wolf]

like, damn

[fresh grail]

https://tenor.com/view/its-personal-john-wick-keanu-reeves-gif-17440804

[thick wolf]

it actually gives me confidence to join NA strike force teams now

[strange sparrow]

Yea I’m not gonna elaborate on recon las being Auric Mael-viable

Just dogshit afterward but ok

No post match evidence and hiding facts

[fresh grail]

I've ran it many times on auric, of course theres better weapons but thats for the meta slaves

[strange sparrow]

95% Psword6 gameplay and 5% recon las gameplay

Just like how the other guy got clowned for showing 300k damage with recon las

While other 2 did 800k each to carry his ass

[thick wolf]

zealot gets fuckin cooked

[strange sparrow]

Totally empirical evidence that recon las is viable

[fresh grail]

you were in here shittalking suppression as being a dogshit mechanic, which in my eyes clearly shows you have no idea what you're talking about wrt any game mechanic or gun. I don't care about convincing random names on a discord they're wrong, especially when they have no useful info about the game to tell me.

[strange sparrow]

Suppression lmao

Yea supress rather than kill

[fresh grail]

i'll leave it at that

[thick wolf]

anyway is this a shit roll stats-wise for the boltgun

[fresh grail]

Reload speed on the bolter i like being very high

though i don't know what the actual % it affects is, can inspect and see if it matters. The other stats are quite good

[quick steeple]

bolty struggles as is postnerf, you really want to max out that dmg/collat

[thick wolf]

I run with tac reloaded in my generalist build

[fresh grail]

even then more reload speed never hurts, it keeps stacking

[thick wolf]

so 74% and 73% dmg and collat is average at best?

or not great

[quick steeple]

i wouldnt bother trying under 78 tbh

[thick wolf]

dam

time to roll for more profane

[quick steeple]

its in a rough spot and with that reload, you really want those rounds to 1tap with surgical wherever possible

[quick steeple]

take a look at the stat spreads for them in the inspect, its quite large even 1-2pts missing is considerable dmg loss

stability id aim for 75+ to ensure you hit the heads too, low stab has ugly sway and spread

[fresh grail]

with the harder hitting guns you want to max out that damage (max up damage on any gun of course 💪 )
Scales really well when hitting bosses

[marble bridge]

tbf if someone wants to kill shit in a horde game theyre gonna have an easier go at it with an infantry lasgun because theyve got higher damage

[marble bridge]

suppresion is good becuase its literally like the only way to get gunners and reapers to actually stop firing short of getting into melee (lol)

[fresh grail]

And that is fine if their definition of fun is killing hordes, and if someone comes in here asing the question then we can all happily help

But that wasnt asked

[strange sparrow]

??? If you have a clear shot

Why don’t you just kill him?

[fresh grail]

actual brainlet take

[marble bridge]

also you can suppress whole packs of gunners and just stop them from shooting you which if you cant see the value in getting them to stop firing 🤷‍♀️

[marble bridge]

yea thats fair

[thick wolf]

now i wonder, do ia lasguns cause suppression against them?

[strange sparrow]

Not like half of our gun have a lot of damage down the range to take out a lot of target to begin

[thick wolf]

or is it mainly autoguns

[marble bridge]

all guns do suppression

but dont pick a gun just for suppression lol

[strange sparrow]

And the fact most people talk about suppression because there’s a talent with +50% suppression

Which you could be spending to get other talent

[marble bridge]

what about the other 15 gunners in that patrol lol

[strange sparrow]

But somehow suppression is just better

[marble bridge]

its literally just stagger but with your gun

[fresh grail]

its ranged stagger, its even better

[strange sparrow]

This is big brainlet take hour to take +50% suppression but alright

I don’t see any situation I would supress than kill

[fresh grail]

xd

just accept the L and move on

[strange sparrow]

To be honest, it’s not my job to make you play better anyways

It’s fine

[fresh grail]

indeed, it is not

[unreal bone]

So question

if ur running the veteran shout build

is it better to have toughness curious

[crude ermine]

Yes

Itd better to have toughness curios in général

[quick steeple]

im asuming you're taking the 75%+ tough DR? then yes

[unreal bone]

eh normally I run wound curious cause I like them.

[unreal bone]

but yes I do take that on my shout build

along with the regen toughness over time on special kills

and the my teammates recover a portion of toughness whenever I recoveer toughness

I really need to get the scoreboard addon and see how much toughness is being generated.

[quick steeple]

then 100% min 2 +tough with +tough rolled on all 3 of em

[quick steeple]

less about generated, more about shout being up/restoring more/keeping that DR active

if anything, rather than wound you might want a +3stam curio considering how poor vet base rates are

[marble bridge]

do we have a breakdown on how toughness and damage bleedthrough to health works

[quick steeple]

specific dmg types either bypass and deal direct HP, or tick both

i.e. fire DOT on ground

[marble bridge]

thats what you want regardless no? +wound is only good if youre bad and also makes field improv less effective at times and +stam is basically always good lol

[marble bridge]

no like what % toughness do i need to be before poxwalkers start hitting my health

sometimes at full tough it feels like they will but sometimes they done

dont

[unreal bone]

I mainly like +wound curious because they aren't affected by rating.

And I am notorious for getting fucking sub 65 curious all the time in my shop.

[muted knot]

I dont agree with wounds being only good if you are bad

Shit happens

[quick steeple]

they technically are, the rating assigned affects perk roll weighing

[muted knot]

And it's a safety net

[unreal bone]

yes but it doesn't affect the main bonus of the curious, just has a slight affect on perks.

[quick steeple]

correct

[unreal bone]

Yeah fr I'm not going 3 +toughness curious I might go 2 toughness 1 wound on my shout build.

[marble bridge]

with 2 wounds i can eat two poxbursters to the face and heal over it with a med

i cant with 3 wounds

🤷‍♀️

[unreal bone]

I don't run Field Improv anyways.

[strange sparrow]

Here's why Supression doesn't work
Supressing mechanics from AnyGun only work within 4 meter of where you're shooting into
Taking +50% does not help the radius, only help the supress target take less bullet to supress

You can't supress a room full of gunner to begin unless they line up in the aoe of your bullet

[marble bridge]

you can still mostly suppress them

[potent iris]

you'll take chip damage anywhere below 100% toughness pretty sure, so no amount of bonus will help prevent that entirely if you fall below that

[marble bridge]

5 gunners shooting at you is less than 20 lol

[marble bridge]

so we dont have actual numbers and shit on it? sad

[strange sparrow]

My recording devices died so here's the image

Only 4 meter of your shot, would supress target

Fun fact, Recon Las can't hit Supression Maximum (Running around) at max range (4m), only when they're directly under your shot (1m)

106 Full Ammo onto nothing

It take 30 shots from ReconLas to supress them with +50% Supression

I don't get in which world you just supress all of em

It's not like I open fire at the sky, and all gunner stop shooting kind of good moment

[marble bridge]

would you like to notice how little im getting shot at

[potent iris]

there probably is, I just don't have 'em since I haven't played since christmas

[white minnow]

i think you're conflating the mechanics of suppression and how terrifying barrage works

suppression does work at a far distance and some guns like the brauto have very good suppression to suppress things at a far distance

[potent iris]

suppression as a baseline mechanic is kinda terrible

tbh

[strange sparrow]

That's because how much you're dodge sliding?

I dont see how good is supression in this video clip is giving me

because they're still shooting at you

[marble bridge]

no not how much im getting hit

how little im getting shot at

[fresh grail]

Before you spend 5 hours debatelording on discord. Take a braced gun right now, take that talent and go into auric

[marble bridge]

pack of 10 gunners and i was only ever getting shot at by like 2 or 3 of them

[strange sparrow]

So you guys just shoot into a wide group of people and keep them supressed so other people on your team can't shoot them?

uh okay then

[fresh grail]

yes because you're seeing the situation wrong

there is always going to be gunners shooting at you when they're unsuppressed in higher difficulties

[strange sparrow]

In turn, you're hurting lasborn gamer

yea but okay

[fresh grail]

I dont care if i hurt them, its not about them

its about the gunners not shooting the team

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[quick steeple]

pretty sure this guy was arguing kinetic flayer is better than the 2 core psyker crit perks... on a crit build. you're wasting your breath lol

[strange sparrow]

Supression mechanics, making your game harder for your team

[fresh grail]

i suppose

[strange sparrow]

because I can't hit my target

[fresh grail]

Arguing with smart people is hard but arguing with stupid people is impossible

[marble bridge]

here ill show rn this is a graia brauto against the same pack of 10 damnation gunners

[fresh grail]

Indeed, and this is a low amount of gunners compared to the average auric game.

[marble bridge]

i could do it with 20 if yall wanna see that

[strange sparrow]

Truly a brainlet time that we have a bunch of gunner within 4 meter of each other to supress

but it's cool

[marble bridge]

watch the whole thing

they spread out

[fresh grail]

just leave it at that. Brother is set on being wrong

[strange sparrow]

After your first supression? yea

[fresh grail]

I'll restate

[strange sparrow]

Max Supressed target run around and take cover

[marble bridge]

actually nvm lemme do this again with them spread out to start then

[potent iris]

supressing gunners isn't inherently a bad thing it's just not something that, imo, is worth investing in heavily as opposed to just outright killing

something like a brauto should suppress more or less well enough without needing to invest in it and it's not impactful enough in a whole run to be worth investing in as opposed to what you'll get out of investing in dps or something like hit and run

[strange sparrow]

And people dont realize that them taking cover mean you would have harder time to kill

[marble bridge]

this spaced out enough?

[strange sparrow]

add them behind a pillar and you can't push beyond the pillar

Now show us how you kill them

[fresh grail]

the value of Keep Their heads Down can definitely be argued for worth it or not, agreed. But this person in here is talking about suppression being a bad mechanic in general, and thats whats wildin' people out

[marble bridge]

why wouldnt you be able to push beyond the pillar?

[white minnow]

y not just walk forward

[marble bridge]

if you cant push beyond the pillar, then its good because youre not getting shot at

[strange sparrow]

Because in reality, supression wasn't mean to kill them isnt it

[white minnow]

yeah suppression won't kill them

[strange sparrow]

To keep them supressed, which you wouldn't be able to kill them

Since they taking cover

[white minnow]

just point and shoot at them

[unreal bone]

Man I feel like Fartshart sometimes doesnt use their heads when it comes to the cosmetics they release. 😭

[white minnow]

suppression is something that happens as a consequence of you shooting at their general direction

place your crosshair over the enemy and poof they die

[unreal bone]

Why isn't the Tempestus Scion helmet multi-class.

[quick steeple]

this is really all just a drawn out strawman to attempt validating his "all lasguns are bad and you should feel bad using them"

[potent iris]

yea I'd argue that point is best put elsewhere though that said the other options on that row on that branch aren't exactly compelling either lol

[fresh grail]

exactly, hence i like the suppression

[strange sparrow]

Here's what happened last time when they gaslighting people that Recon Las is usable

[marble bridge]

so at this point there are two options:
A) you are dealing with a horde or something, which is why you cannot push past the pillar; suppression is good because it means less things shooting at you
B) these are the only enemies; suppresion is good because it means zealot doesnt get shot while walking up to merc them

[strange sparrow]

When we clearly told that it's not, and stop saying it is alright

[potent iris]

like I think I just take for the emperor and call it a day because eh it'll hit BPs for someone for 5 seconds probably and I don't care for the alternatives at all

[strange sparrow]

Same

[fresh grail]

Exaclty. Brother took it personal and here we are
I really dont see the point in arguing with random discord nicknames like me but i suppose its what some enjoy.

[white minnow]

i don't care for the recon las which is a separate argument from the fact that suppression is a mechanic that does exist and does have an impact

[fresh grail]

For the Emperor is always good, its a toss up between that and supression for me. On Autoguns i lean towards the extra supression though, its more value for the team by staggering enemies

[potent iris]

I'd say suppression is just a very poorly implemented mechanic

[fresh grail]

it works quite well as of late imo

[white minnow]

whether it's a good impact or not depends on the team, but it is generally useful that ranged enemies are not shooting at you or your pub teammates who may have a questionable toughness regen mechanic

[strange sparrow]

Im continuing the argument that Supression is a poorly implemented mechanics and +50% supression at Veteran tree suck

Because you could be investing in other stuff

[white minnow]

yeah it's a very binary thing and I dislike mechanics that basically make enemies do nothing

[old quail]

my problem with suppression is u can run into the thing where u hinder urself

because badguy duck and run into cover when want shoot head bad

[strange sparrow]

Also the fact that Supression make the game harder in some way by causing people to take cover

[fresh grail]

Fair enough on the team dependence.

[potent iris]

as for lasguns though the lasguns are mostly fine, recon needs buffs but that's not representative of all lasguns

[old quail]

particularly if ur trying to one tap guys with an iag and u troll urself it gets super annoying

[potent iris]

helbores are actually fucking busted but people don't think about it because the ironsights on those things are fucking mindnumbingly awful

[old quail]

also ppl start having an aneurysm when they see the swap animation

[white minnow]

infantry lasguns requires me to hit heads which is spooky

[strange sparrow]

Fun Fact， Hellbore Lasgun is fine because it is not plagued by the same mechanics that other lasgun have

[old quail]

not me i love the helbore (from a distance)

[potent iris]

like idk who the hell looked at those irons and thought "yeah bruv, can't see shit, send it"

[strange sparrow]

Charged Lasgun Shot are not impacted by ranged/inverse damage dropoff

while all other lasgun currently do

[old quail]

there's a trailer where the infantry lasguns don't have sights mounted

i yearn for that world

[potent iris]

usually though I tend to just take the pistols if I want a las weapon

they're the most fun imo

[white minnow]

and they do stuff on bodyshots cuz of crits

whereas I am sad if I miss heads with infan lasguns

[dire lagoon]

is there a way to block from matching with certain players? Just matched with the same dude 3x in a row who is intentionally throwing games.

[old quail]

i have a p good mg1a with headhunter/deadly accurate that ive used exactly once

[old quail]

i just cant vibe with the gun

[strange sparrow]

Inverse Damage Dropoff is a bad mechanics and should be totally removed from the game

[potent iris]

inf lasguns use a wavelength of light that only really hurts if you hit the eyes

[thick wolf]

space ak sounds so nice

[strange sparrow]

Make no sense for IV user to install autofire mod and weapon customization mod to fix its crosshair and issue

[dire lagoon]

what las setup is that using?

[strange sparrow]

Hellbore Mk2

[old quail]

idk what the hell they were thinking with the mgiv

[strange sparrow]

All Charged Hellbore shot does not suffer from inverse

[dire lagoon]

oh I thought you were talking about recon

[potent iris]

inverse damage dropoff is silly yeah, also the spammy lasweapons being semi-auto is defo big dumb

[strange sparrow]

Oh this one

I dont know, someone said ReconLas was totally usable, but all I saw was 2 guy hard carrying deadweight

I legit don't understand why people would say Lasgun are fine right now, as the gimmick of inverse damage falloff removing your 1 shot potential in the head if your target is too close

While most room and fight happen within 10meter

[umbral scaffold]

I remember uh

[dire lagoon]

ah so you think they are not good?

[umbral scaffold]

When I was trying to fight a suppressed reaper

[quick steeple]

that would be the rational take lol (player issue)

[umbral scaffold]

Aside from him hiding his fucking head while cowering

[white minnow]

i think it's fine cuz the inverse damage falloff isn't that substantial besidees against maniacs

[umbral scaffold]

He actually would slide around in place to always face me

[fresh grail]

Who gives a F about hitting the reapers head when he's disabled

[umbral scaffold]

I couldn't even circle around because the dude just turned around while suppressed

[strange sparrow]

Supressed Reaper les gooo

[umbral scaffold]

People who want headshot damage generally

[strange sparrow]

Totally not annoying to ttk

[quick steeple]

lower your sens if that head too small on left to hit

[fresh grail]

and they can get it on horde enemies and other non-stunned enemies

[dire lagoon]

I just came back to the game recently and tried to play some recon setups, the damage was pretty rough in damnation.. I switched to columns 5 and the game became 10x easier. But maybe I can the recon setup wrong...

In Heresey it was totally fine.

[thick wolf]

so you're telling me my ia lasgun sucks dick

[umbral scaffold]

But I want it on the reaper, that's the intention I have with trying to headshot the reaper

[strange sparrow]

it do be like that

[fresh grail]

He's disabled, hes not a priority target

[umbral scaffold]

It's a reaper, I want him dead

[strange sparrow]

Almost all IAG/BG make life easier while ReconLas make your life worse

[marble bridge]

respectfully, lasguns (especially recons) are kinda mid at doing damage, while IAGs are good

theyre not anywhere near as bad as youll hear people say but theyre not that great

[potent iris]

this is how suppression should work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvBCVR-sr78

[thick wolf]

I mainly try to aim heads as much as possible with my ia

[marble bridge]

theyre def not "dead weight" bad as long as you can hit shots lol

[strange sparrow]

The only time I find Lasgun good is Infernus against Boss

the 12 burn stack make it easier to kill boss

but it's not like it's super great

[thick wolf]

I would've liked to use hellbore mk3 more if it wasn't so pitifully slow

[quick steeple]

try MK I

[strange sparrow]

You would have a better time to use hellbore mk 1 / 2

[thick wolf]

I used the Mk II, it was fun

especially the bayonet stab

[umbral scaffold]

I might be wrong, but I think the modifiers for IAGs is 2.7x headshot and 2.3x crit

[strange sparrow]

Mk 2 need god roll

while mk 1 doesn't

[quick steeple]

^

[thick wolf]

but I still go to ia lasgun simply because its what I'm more familiar with

[umbral scaffold]

Even if you aren't a headshot god, just somewhat consistently hitting headshots with IAGs produces some stupid damage

[quick steeple]

oh you dont SHOOT the helbore lol

[strange sparrow]

If anyone with no idea in this game just ask
Lasgun or AutoGun
I just direct them to AutoGun as you can't go wrong with Autogun in any scenario
It's not awfully bad

But lasgun?

Shit's super fucked if you took Recon Las

IV without Auto Fire mod

[thick wolf]

Autogun is also good but at the same time

kindof boring?

[quick steeple]

^

[thick wolf]

like I like a space ak or two I can use but I feel braindead whenever I use one

[strange sparrow]

Yea it do be boring afterward, so I change up to other gun to make game harder

[potent iris]

well the columnus iag is also simply overpowered rn

[sharp ember]

graia gang

both brauto and iag

[thick wolf]

and also I run out of ammo quick for them

[potent iris]

agri lyfe 4 me

[umbral scaffold]

Graia IAG is kino

[thick wolf]

whereas I seem to have better ammo control when I use a lasgun

[fresh grail]

autoguns have infinite ammo (not really, but close to) since they buffed them across the board

[white minnow]

i love using stupidly strong weapons until they get nerfed

[quick steeple]

double salvo agri so fun

[simple hinge]

Reconlas lacks Munition a lot

[white minnow]

i swapped from psyker to vet 2 months before the skill tree update just to enjoy the bolter until it inevitably got brought down

[simple hinge]

But Lucius/ILG don't lack

[formal rock]

Right here? Right now?

[strange sparrow]

Always

[fresh grail]

The bolter will come back, we just have to pray to the omnissiah

[simple hinge]

Let's pray for Melta

If Melta is available…

[fresh grail]

ill take any big laser weapon tbh

[quick steeple]

give bolt access to a lesser variant of handcannon and its back with multiple build options

[potent iris]

bolter still good it's just a different playstyle now, more like a DMR than big brrrrt cannon

surgical makes it slap pretty hard

[sharp ember]

80% ammo graia brauto with fully loaded talent = 999 ammo, i’m going to be blasting the whole mission

[white minnow]

yeah i need 1 active braincell for it which is too much

[fresh grail]

Fair enough, i suppose i like spray-and-pray too much for it to work with my playstyle

[potent iris]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma985-jeremy-elbertson-himbo-unedited-andy-so-true-gif-24753125

[fresh grail]

i do feel like a God everytime i pull the bolter out though

[formal rock]

Give 'em the ol' Kasrkin

[potent iris]

I mean I've never been a bolter player myself, just not a fan of the aesthetic at all

[strange sparrow]

Bolter size is absurdly funny right now

[potent iris]

seen people do some absolutely disgusting damage with it even on current patch tho

[strange sparrow]

I feel like im the toy and bolter is holding me

[fresh grail]

i always appreciate when someone brings a bolter instead of a revolver or plasma gun, the sound effects are 🤤

[potent iris]

I like my agri brauto/iag, vraks 7 and laspistols

[fresh grail]

agri braced staying strong since launch 💪

[potent iris]

agri brauto on zealot just feels right

[fresh grail]

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-shooting-gif-23980108

[sharp ember]

give me your accuracy increase talent, zealots

[potent iris]

it's pretty hilarious zealot gets that talent

[sharp ember]

in exchange you may have one (1) smoke grenade

[strange sparrow]

Hope they removed Inverse Damage Falloff soon for all Lasgun and Buff MarksMan Focus/Exec Stance soon

[fresh grail]

deadshot works quite well on veteran with it to be fair, i've been running it on my braced for a while now. Just have to play around it with high stamina, but the accuracy becomes great for sniping with it

[simple hinge]

Chinese Darktide Players call it 40k Type 56, do you think it makes sense?

[fresh grail]

is that the Chinese version of the AK?

everyone here calls it space AK, it fits

[simple hinge]

Type 56 is based on AK47

[fresh grail]

ah right

[potent iris]

exe stance main thing I want changed is that it doesn't need to have 4 upgrade nodes, like the highlight enemies thing should just be across the board instead of spread out over 2 nodes lmao

[formal rock]

Don't you completely devour your stamina bar with the fire rate on that thing?

[fresh grail]

absolutely

[gusty crane]

I love the iv.

[strange sparrow]

Anything work for Exec Stance, as long it's not a straight range damage buff that give wallhacks

[potent iris]

it's such a random and arbitrary separation to be like "yeah bruv you can highlight the random shooters but not the 10ft tall ogryn with a big fuckoff minigun"

[fresh grail]

Bracing on agri braced is bad anyway so i never use it, unless i have deadshot talent to burn stamina for free crit and accuracy

[strange sparrow]

Also No melee + 5 seconds duration is pretty rough

Considering that mean you can't reload (You could reload if you kill the range enemy on your last round with Las)

[simple hinge]

Deadshot is for Bolter/Revolver/Helbore?

[fresh grail]

you can take deadshot on anything

[thick wolf]

meanwhile poxhound horde is like free food

[quick steeple]

says who?

[potent iris]

deadshot laspistol with duck and dive can be pretty fun for the full run n gun experience

[marble bridge]

doesnt deadshot stop working when youre out of stamina?

[thick wolf]

especially if you have a talent that decreases the cooldown for every specialist kill

[strange sparrow]

Just don't run out of stamina for some people

[fresh grail]

yes, then you stop bracing and wait for it to regen. You have to play around it for sure

[simple hinge]

I'm asking whether it's the case

[strange sparrow]

because they take Duck And Cover and 3 Stamina Curios

to get unlimited stamina

[potent iris]

poxhound hordes out here breaking the ammo economy since day one

[marble bridge]

that wasnt the question?

[quick steeple]

you can use it with whatever; the resulting change in playstile may be more suited to some typers than others but most guns will vibe with it

[marble bridge]

where tf you pull that from

[fresh grail]

with 8 stamina i can get half a mag of deadshot out of an agri braced, which is a ton of accurate damage for a spray-and-pray gun. It's a really fun build

[strange sparrow]

It stop, yes in the simplest form

and your stamina wouldn't recover normally while ADS-ing

[marble bridge]

that was the question thank you for answering

[simple hinge]

Why not 3*3=9 Stamina?

[formal rock]

I think the idea was to choose whether you want more consistent ExecStance refresh with more shooters, or want cleaner threat identification (especially with the allies augment), which kinda makes sense if you squint and look sideways at it a bit...
But I still think ogryns should be highlighted by default, yeah.

[fresh grail]

can always stack more stamina i suppose, i don't see why not. For me its because i like having toughness curio

[potent iris]

It does. Duck and dive however can proc on blessings like ghost so you can just farm DnD procs so long as you hit heads and keep deadshot rolling until either everything is dead or you stop getting shot at

[strange sparrow]

Exec Stances just suck right now requiring so much talent investment for unlimited chain of ranged damage that you probably doesn't need

[umbral scaffold]

When are we getting stripped down ghost on the columnus

[fresh grail]

also Focus target, or the upgrade for it rather, gives quite a lot of stamina back for deadshot

[strange sparrow]

also it's super annoying to use when you have ogryn on your team

[quick steeple]

when DumDum gets removed 😈

[marble bridge]

true

[umbral scaffold]

Exec stance not working with weapon specialist is the true crime

[marble bridge]

i dont run focus target tho lol

[sharp ember]

has anyone ran laspistol with shocktrooper? i never have the points when going heavily into right side melee

[simple hinge]

Can't agree more, unless I use Plasma

[formal rock]

Same time we get Stripped Down built-in on the reconlas.

[potent iris]

yea it's just real messy looking on the tree and makes for weird point economy meanwhile VoC is just sitting there for free team immortality

[umbral scaffold]

I really want to do a melee vet with smoke and exec stance

The game doesn't want me to

[strange sparrow]

It is what it is when you have those scenario with Exec Stance

[fresh grail]

vet tree is so versatile can make many things work, i quite like tagging stuff in these Tide games so i always have it on personally

[strange sparrow]

While VoC playstyle suit so much stuff

[fresh grail]

they will buff smokes, pray to the omnissiah

[simple hinge]

I don't like Ogryn whenever I play als Veteran

[strange sparrow]

Especially with FTE/Marksman/CQK

[potent iris]

smokes not working against snipers is so stupid

[strange sparrow]

while being 30 seconds CD

[simple hinge]

Ogryn's Ass blocks everything

[thick wolf]

me when a veteran yells some words: aight bruv let's kill heretics forget this nasty wound I got lol

[formal rock]

Exactly. The 5-second refresh and ogryn highlighting should be built into ExecStance by default, and the remaining two should be the augments just like VoC has two augments (especially since they have implicit drawbacks to taking them, a.k.a. teammates stealing kills needed for refresh and shooter highlighting causing visual clutter). Veteran has enough talents as it is.

[potent iris]

these poxxy ass renegades out here with thermals but our fuckin' inquisition can't shell out for thermal disrupting smonks

[potent iris]

when the vet tells me to walk it off and I find my dislocated legs magically sprinting

[strange sparrow]

Also the crime of taking Exec Stances is to choose Terrible Crit Chance (Open Salvo) and Situational Extra Damage (15% not within 8 m)

like huh?

[marble bridge]

that situational extra damage is up often enough its not a waste

[strange sparrow]

While Voc Get Grenade Regen , Crit Grenade and Field Improvisation

[thick wolf]

also veteran who yells some words: somehow knocks heretics off around him in a circle

[agile forge]

It's so much worse than old Volley Fire with the bugged Unwavering Focus and the good version of Counter Fire

[strange sparrow]

I do agree, but I still put it as situational extra damage

[simple hinge]

Welcher Gun is better if I don't pursue Headshot at all?

[strange sparrow]

because some map have closer spawm that stop you while other have alright spawn that allow you to abuse it

[marble bridge]

columnus will still shred without weakspots

also plasma

[thick wolf]

give em a break they have budgeting issues

they're flat out broke after giving god knows how many money to rejects

[simple hinge]

Has Plasma Bug been fixed?

[marble bridge]

what plasma bug

[simple hinge]

Braced or Infanterie?

[marble bridge]

iag

[quick steeple]

both tbh

[simple hinge]

Mute Shots.

[dry knoll]

probably the ghost shots

yeah nah

[marble bridge]

oh i got no clue

[formal rock]

I assume he's talking about how sometimes shooting the plasma results in no sound or visual for the player

And no, it's not fixed

[potent iris]

back to the plasteel mines we go

[thick wolf]

rannick pls have a fucking plasteel factory in the ship

make us convert our diamantine to it pls

PLS

[dry knoll]

Curious how the heretics have so much plassteel lying around isnt it

Wonder where they get it all from

[thick wolf]

they have a plasteel factory, of course

[potent iris]

they don't have to deal with hadron embezzling it all

[simple hinge]

Why don't these Enemies destroy Medstation upon discovery?

[dry knoll]

Hadron's quarters are just piles of plasteel

[strange sparrow]

They were using it

[simple hinge]

They're Nurglite and should hate Medicine

[strange sparrow]

fr

[potent iris]

"The omnissiah is generous" as she hands me the world's most exepensive brick

[strange sparrow]

Splendid

[thick wolf]

we need a brick as a melee weapon

like a literal brick

[potent iris]

truuuu

[simple hinge]

"I trust you're pleased"

[potent iris]

gunfire reborn has a brick, so we need one too

[marble bridge]

ogryn have cinderblock grenade

[thick wolf]

tho I guess Ogryn has the rock which is the closest to a brick

[dry knoll]

Crusher Ogryn have a rock on a stick

[simple hinge]

• Hadron, wenn giving me another Brick

[strange sparrow]

That's a good rock

that the omnisiah blessed

it's not

[thick wolf]

"wait wait wait, a daemonhost got killed by a rock?"

[marble bridge]

please actually look at the thing

its a chunk of concrete

not a rock

[simple hinge]

I don't play Ogryn, can you explain this Meme please?

[dry knoll]

My sympathies if that looks like chocolate to you 😦

[formal rock]

From a meta standpoint, FS appears to have hardcoded smoke immunity to the snipers, they act like every other shooter wrt. LoS so there's no reason snipers get to magically ignore smokes except somebody in FS thinks it's necessary for whatever lore or gameplay reason.
The smoke is an obvious (and sorely needed!) answer to sniper gauntlet, just like psyker dome so I doubt it's for purely gameplay reasons -- that, or FS has "interesting" ideas about gameplay balance.
My pet theory is that somebody in FS (who knows, could be Dan Abnett himself!) is insisting that "well if the snipers can see perfectly well in Ventilation Purge then they should be able to see through a smokescreen" and they, like the Bodyguard Ogryn, are refusing to budge off this hill.

[marble bridge]

that is fucking rebar

thats a chunk of concrete

[strange sparrow]

lil uns is smart, but I have a rock

If rock touch lil uns

they die

[strange sparrow]

Should had show the mutant rushing at you and you throw a piece of rock