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I think is considered a normal tank
No there is mobile tanks.
Define mobile 
They literally zoom at you.
Some tanks don't have much armor and are designed with more speed in mind.
and have wheels
I am mostly sure stuff lighter than Leman Russ, are considered APCs or Armored Vehicles instead of tanks
That's a APC but some tanks do have wheels.
There was a Russian tank I do believe that had wheels and wasn't a apc.
if you go lighter, you better be zooming
But wheeled tanks suck.
There was only one and it got quickly replaced.
I mean the tracks exist for a reason because wheels get stuck so easily.
While they're mobile mud must be hellish for them.
Wheeled tanks only do good on solid soil and roads. And probably at fortification of postions.
i dont think real world logic can ever be applied to 40k
That way lies madness
I mean if you have big wheels it doesn't matter.
Big wheels on a tank easily prevents that.
And people like big wheels
the leman russ is modeled after ww1 tanks
is boltgun great for vet?
well yeah, the reason they have big barrels is because its a tabletop model tank. But its fun to discuss for in-universe reasons
the entire point of the shape the leman russ has is to drive over trenches
since guard use trench warfare a whole lot
Boltgun slaps with a crit build
Boltgun slaps with a crit build 
Or just killing fields.
Yea, since you have to slap the gun before firing
Then it turns into medieval combat.

I've been hunting a Boltgun and the game doesn't give me it, nevermind that it wasn't on Brunt's list either
so my only option is to snatch a profane version
is good, Idk if to say great, but good
its the best fun 💪
love tap*
its outclassed by plasma for boss damage
Dog swarm takes out a SM chapter
outclassed by nearly every other gun for chaff killing
the niche it has is that it kills everything but its a very whiny weapon to use
Zwinger the killing zone of aa castle.
eh, it does not need to be 1º
its very bulky is the main downside
Sights are pretty atrocious imo
as long as it can be used without feeling like you are handicapping yourself
gun good
Worse than IAG sights
weapon customization mod exists
Thank goodness it exists
To be honest I use melee more so uh.
Melee is fun
bolter is one of the few guns for vet that feels like its actively trying to fight you for control
its one of the few guns i really dont like using
I only use my plasma gun with targets that need to die mostly I am cutting down enemies.
it's worse when you don't 1 shot enemies you usually one shot for some forsaken reasoning
Like big guys I cannot kill with me sword easily like crushers.
I'm mainly a lasgun and revolver guy, and even if I'm level 30 I'm still trying out as much weaponry as I could
So I just charge my plasma gun into crushers mostly.
Laspistol is nice
vet has a very big gun variety
probably crit not triggering or a damage buff (from focus target) not being active, breaking points during a match are hard to really point down due to all the various team support buffs in the game
I want to use lasguns but I do not vibe with the FS design decisions for them
Does plasma explode?
With shocktrooper you reload fast and once per fight 
the mk10 variant has insane flak modifier
but I still prefer using the ia lasgun
it can if you use charged shot
but uncharged shots cooldown before firing
so spam lights all the way with blaze away + it gets hot
I played Pskyer first so I just don't let it get 100%.
I just melee to let it cool down then use it when needed.
yea but plasma literally stops you from overcharging if using light fire
which is insane
I say 100% should explode you anyways on all modes
And Overcharge have some AOE
Like psyker?
Throwing the overcharged plasma gun at your enemies as it explodes
You can overcharge all your lasguns no?
Lucius lasguns can overheat to dangerous levels to the user
Is a risk but krieg doing this would be common.
Throwing away your weapon? blam
is not normal for lasguns to go that far
Just normally don't bc hardron gets angy when we break the weapons
Yeah in general lasguns have variable power settings
That's a capital offense that is
but Lucius doubles down on the overcharge
I mean the battle of Vraks many died to mortar fire but they broke through the lines from sheer numbers.
I always thought about this, but what if they were given some cryo spray to spray onto the gun to...help cool it? lol
Tell that to the commissar, laddy
Vraks sucks probably got trench foot from being on that shitty planet.
Nah the heat is only the radiance of the Empra
It's different, in the tabletop if you roll a 1 on a d6 it literally just kills the guardsman with the plasma
The Lucius hotshot actually has a supercoolant on it
The gun when fired goes from normal to burns your fingers hot to freezes your hand to the gun cold in a second
Is a very hated weapon for troops 
Gloves are obligatory for its use
Yep, but you know
Still terrible to the user 
well, it'll be like my opinion on plasma guns. best for guardsman C: either your enemy is vaporized or you are but at least you won't be a drukhari's plaything C:
I would like krieg grenades their WW2 designed nades.
Which one?
What if I want to live for the rest of my life as furniture in agony
It'd Be hilarious if we can buy cosmetics for your Blitz
walk up to local mechanicus and say "YOUR MACHINE GOD IS INFERIOR!"
The potato smasher? :kekk
These.
These reminds me of another grenade in Gears of war
The German Grenades.
I prefer the pinapple surprises tbh
I might have said Austrians weren't german in a way.
They're still related to Germans.
pretty sure there's a shorter stick variant from the russians
Quick search?
ye
Never have seen it
But Austrians and Germans are similar like Ukraine and Russia.
I think
They have a shared past.
Stielhandgranate is the name of that grenade.
Russian campaign but you only get so little and pick up the german grenades instead
Creative bunch
yeah, which is why I'm trying to try them out as much as I can
even if I already reached the level 30 cap I still feel like a complete newbie
Isn't it because some people like throwing hand axes on targets making them easier to learn like how grenades in other countries are round because they play baseball?
its also in World at War and the Reznov-flashback mission in Black Ops 1
Yeah they're thrown like throwing axes.
Yea handaxe throwing is a cool past time athletics
THat still is danger close homie
Just a example of how they were thrown assuming they're impact grenadess
Forgot the lethal range and fragmentation but the terrain is likely dug in so the fragmentation wont reach
also movie prop and preparation likely
Oh they worked in the trenches.
Mustard Gas
Don't get me started on the parasites and flesh eating amoeba that live in trenches
Brain eating I mean.
Hoo boy
YO THIS SHIT OP
There was a trench of people who got infected by a nasty parasite that killed them.
Gotta love the italians making the 2nd semi auto shotgun in the world
So i just replaced the power sword with the devil sword and I feel like devil sword is waaaaaaaay better, anyone else think PS not that great?
Trenches scare me.
Claw has funny parry and mobility is great
Proper fun. Me and the boys getting shellshocked together at the age of 16 💪
They're all nice and warm until you step into a puddle of water and get some parasite.
We all getting trench foot here and having wet feet.
actually I don't even know how to use the parry (timing?) lol..I just love the light->heavy->light->heavy combo for horde clear.
Now we need pigeons
Parry timing is pretty generous
unless parrying overheads
40k with messenger pigeons.
@placid portal any suggestions for second change on claw sword? I feel pretty ok with blessings, thinking if changing a perk to dmg vs unarmored for all in horde clear.
Flying courier
Rampage would fare better than shred imo
yeah don't have any rampage atm
I need a New Vegas story with a servo skull.
or shred + rampage? I just wait for rampage to pop up.
I choose both
Maniac iirc allow you to 1 shot muties with heavy 1 with mk4
I choose flak and maniac on everything
Extra cleave is very noticeable
He only has 1 mod slot
Flak and Maniac is all you need.
maniac allow lets you do the funny parry headshot bp on rager right?
You can just slide and slash.
You should take reciprocity for even more crits to roll
You cannot block.
Flak do more damage to flak armor and maniac well in it's name one tap a muties?
Servoskull skin for ED-E
Because the rager hits you over and over again.
You should block and slide vs maniac
So it's better to dodge and keep your toughness and then slash him if you are more mobile
Dodging is fun too.
ok I think I will wait to unlock more blessings before I decide any change.
I need to use the Dclaw and go full sekiro
Same
If you're crazy enough you can technically hit between its attacks
But good luck staggering it
I do it a lot
Same
Can rager almost one tap you if it's higher diff yes
The 1%
so far dclaw is my fav melee.. still trying to get a decent chain sword to try that out... I don't really like the powersword even with cycle4
I find that push attack sword is just
Consistent
mk4 has good hoarde cleaving moveset
but lacks single target lights
I'm trying to get my heavy sword leveled up so I can fight ragers.
MK7 has really good single target combo
Because I am using catachan claw sword.
I think you can do a push attack light combo against a mutie and kill
it's very strong, I just don't like constantly having to power it up.
Claw sword is fun
But the power sword is better
Fun is the most important stat 
God I love Sekiro combat
Cadia Mk XIIIg Assault Chainsword is also good for horde clear?
is that the new one?
With cleave blessings ye
I use it with success with cleave blessings
It would be more like dark souls
Yes
It’s alright
Not the best but it’s doable
This moveset
Dark Souls is more fitting for 40k
You could try how fast it swings

Lawsuit then ask you to work for them or die
Good ol GW
I'd honestly say it's op apart from being weak mobility wise
But it's not the worst downside
I love chainaxe
Crushers quake in fear at the push stab light
mk4 specifically
I like the new one
It's like medication
I don't know the new one feels off because it doesn't saw them in lights
Killing heretics is the only cure for sadness.
Heretic blood quells my depression
But mk4 Chainaxe feels so damn satisfying
got mine a Headtaker + Slaughter setup
challenge ragers with light attacks since the shredder part staggers em to death

I just want to see a loyalist space marine in Tertium
Only way an Angel comes by is if a traitor astartes comes around
We’re like some rescue squadron trying to recover something and suddenly a space marine busted down the door
Informing that he’s taking over this operation something
Then AI start wilding out
Maybe sisters of battle?
Which space marine chapter would even deem Atoma Prime worthy of aiding
Minus salamanders
Atoma is pretty far right
Not Dark Angels
Likely Sisters since Saint Messelina
Ad Mech
There's a billion unnamed successor chapters
Imagine the Ad Mech helping us.
It would not be that weird
oh definitely ad mech would go in play for atoman metals
Funnily throw a space shark in
But you'd need a good reason
I mean we are near
The Eye of Terror
Funny enough one of Abnett's works had that exact situation
I MEAN
And well Cadia is in the domain.
3 marines from 3 different chapters band together to kick ass
I MEANNNN
And considering Abnett wrote the uhh
oh shit
"story"
I wouldn't be surprised if a similar idea came up
I need to reread gaunt's ghosts again
Imagine Cadian veterans help us.
forgot how atoma is close to eye of terror since they talk about the Robert's Crusade and the Sicadic Maladictum
Id guess lamenters
Please no Lamenters
Maybe iron hands
That mean they would actually need to die
Nice way for the mission to fail
at the end of the mission

Because there is many cadian veterans alive
How original 
Cadians too busy diving deep into eye of terror to get Abbadon's Ass
Tbh, the allies space marine could also be injured and we are trying to help him you know
I'm doubtful we are getting the boys in blue
Or we get a whole krieg legion
Imagine he just killed a death guard and half way dead
and we're there to "defend him"
Well Krieg did offer to send their men to the most absolute horrible work conditions

Probably theyd not even bother, a regiment of scions is more likely
The Battle of Vraks truly show how tryhard these people would be
Vraks Forge world kinda big shit innit?
Knowing the Imperium it isn't crazy that they want their world back.
A Forge world is a forge world afterall
And these casualties for Krieg probably meant nothing
Fenris is close by too
If we assume the domain is south of the eye of terror
It's not next to it but it's close.
Medusa is close
Fuck it red scorpions from out of no where
Shit?
No reinforcements unfortunatly
It have nothing left after the Siege
But mars does know whats going on
If hadron can send a request for more material and get denied
Vraks was seen as important the factories were underground
Nothing of Value was gained from the battle except thy Swift Vengeances upon Traitor
So they were safe from explosions.
Yes there was
A daemonworld was prevented from forming
Would have been a real issue if that formed
That is true to a certain extend
Most of Vraks factories are what were so important and being a holy site of a saint
it's gone
Its why the ordo malleus actually got involved, cause a full chaos world would have been far worse to deal with
Most of Vraks now suck because of le war
Maybe having all those imprisoned psykers wasn't a good idea.
Considering the setting, it makes sense that they would try to take it back, even if most of it had a chance to be destroyed in the process. A factory on that scale is worth a lot more than a bunch of line troops with artillery and a bit of armor
maybe it was a good idea that they send a better assassinators member down for Xaphan
The factories were safe but the surface wasn't destroyed
Its an armory world first and foremost
With ancient archeotech stored in its armories
The underground factories were so important too.
Vraks Prime was reduced to a barren wasteland, and it and its surrounding star system were declared Perdita
They wanted the armory though
how viable laspistols are in Heresy and Damnation?
The surface of Vraks most of these are underground
Makes even more sense then, since they cant even replicate most of that
Most worlds like that are wastelands
Most hive worlds are just wastelands.
So are many armory worlds
I mean not even from war just then clearing off everything to build and getting rid of oceans.
and what are the advantages of lugging around with a laspistol on both Heresy and Damnation
Industrialization was common I guess.
plenty good, best suited to complement melee builds when you want to shoot something in the face real fast
won’t flatten ogryns like a revolver would, but higher mag capacity to clear out shooters
This is why you got grenades.
Got 3 vets in a single game, 2 of us ran the officer tag thing and ammo aura. We had a hellbore, the hotshot lasgun and a plasma gun. 2 of us had Krak grenades. Game felt easy mode lol......
More or less part of the setting. Only thing that matters is extracting the materials to fuel forge worlds etc., most of the worlds are gonna look like a dump
Vraks was in good enough condition to continue manufacturing never cared about it looking pretty.
What's worth beauty if you can make more weapons and provide your military with arms.
Got resort and shrine worlds etc. for that
Agri worlds are arguably also up there compared to some of the other stuff
Agri worlds are better then forge worlds
By a long shot still demanding though.
I'd rather be able to breathe somewhat clean air.
Being choked by thick smoke and smog and probably acid rain.
Correct choice 
I think Abnett has written a fairly grimdark description of an agri-world in one of the eisenhorn books
Imagine the worst excesses of industrialised agriculture on earth, then put it through the lens of 40k
Best perks and blessings for accatran?
A agri world ? Can't seem to remember
Iirc he has a fight in some huge harvester-crawler thing
^ ifits the one im thinking of it was some kind of hellish servitor
but lads tis is vet chat not lore chat
help me out
Best perks and blessings for accatran?
Which model?
Not running it 
Base one MkII
Recon id guess
Recon las
This then
Probably Elysian cosplay
good one
Dum dum and whatever really
Best build is pick up a Grey columnus that outdmgs it
Honestly for me I’d put dum dum on it to counterbalance the reverse fall of damage
rule of cool prevails
laser > bullets
Headhunter dumdum/infernus if you insist
Infernus can work okay, I believe
Don't think laspistols have reverse falloff
particularly with headhunter
Also there's the pewpew mod
Get the pew pew mod
U can just make the iag shoot laser
Or loose your index finger
He’s running the recon mk 2
Not that mod
It's the one that let's ur animations yeah
Put laser on iag and pretend it's recon
Best recon build
Fair enough
Yeah I run dum dum and Infernus on my mk7a iirc
You don't want to run infernus without headhunter
But is it heresy if a tech priest gives the okay?
Yeah, recon or laspistol is an important distinction
recon
Eww
Listen here
I highly recommend avoiding the entire gun line currently as they're severely undertuned, but the 2 is the worst one dps wise.
Some people are just super drawn to the recon’s style
Yeah, I am too
They're just dogshit
I complain about it for most of the games lifespan and it doesnt get fixed
Maybe but I can still clear auric with one
So now I inform people before they spend money on it
I made two 570+ 6ds when they were good
That's not exactly hard, people can solo auric
Lul
🧑⚖️
Aight, lemme call my lawyer
Well, I'll post some informational videos and you can judge for yourself.
Here's the mk2 recon vs a ciag
COUNTER SUE CLAIM
Then why does ranick use a revolver?
He knows it's OP
lets ask hadron what she thinks
ciag is a finesse weapon btw
what about for perks for recon
The Critical hit ammo save is a god send for recon las.
Hadron probably dreams of arc and radium rifles
wtf actual help
where am I
If you insist, 5% crit and either flak or maniac. Or flak/maniac. Headhunter is mandatory, then you can choose either infernus or the bugged dumdum. Please do not use a mk2 in damnation
We are uh, officially scraping the barrel sir.
And any recon lasgun underperforms very noticeably in auric+
Unexpected hoi4 gif
i use em no problem
True lol
They underperform in regular damnation but if you just don't care it's easier to scrape by
Recon las, critical hit/weakpoint ammo save is good, as well as the adjoining extra crit chance on the right side (i think, i'd have to check again.)
great for horde clearing and shooter clearance.
I FUCKING HATE CONSOLE PLAYERS
Can they finally make it so PC players dont need to que with these mouthbreaking dipshits?
were you just on in the last hour Aus?
great for horde clearing
Please face the wall![]()
because im pretty sure I saw you say you were ready in chat
it literally is
For the Emperor.
Tbf console boys haven’t had nearly enough time to git gud compared to us
It literally isn't, 2/3 of the guns have no pen at all and only one has shitty penetration (1 hit mass).
heavy las has a two person pen.
you dont need penetration when you fire like two gajillion shots a seconds
with the criticals and crit ammo save, horde clearing is fine.
It's not
not so good against anything else on damn. though.
This was heresy q.q
You dont need to be good for heresy....
better off with the kantrael
aiming at headheight with crit blessings is fine hordeclear
You shouldn't be shooting into melee chaffe to avoid using your melee weapon
chainsword is shared weaponr ight
why not? works fine
Cadian one i think is?
You could get away with it in patch 13 with unscuffed shocktrooper but not now
Massive waste of ammo
don't use chainsword enough, i run round with combat knife.
Oh, I see. Well the emperor will purge out the weak ones.
this is why you pair it with critical chance increase and the critical ammo save perk.
you should be shooting because its fun
Real
Rev up that chainsword and smell those promethium vapors
xD
The recons have dogshit ammo efficiency by default, and that only somewhat budges it in normal circumstances. Shocktrooper has been massively nerfed for the recon line.
You think promethium smells better than the fuel station smell?
I have no idea why gasoline smells good

Good days in Patch 13
Oh bother. xD
what am i some kind of min maxing beta
Same reason sugar tastes good, high caloric value, great for a bulk
i pick stuff purely on aesthetics and how fun it is to use
Patch 13 was disco ball time lol
Same sort of thing with capped rending and capped burn stacks.
A lot of people in vet chat won't understand that concept
Min maxing is kinda vet chat’s specialty XD
I do a bit of 50/50. Faff around builds, and efficiency builds.
Well, that's your choice. I showed you a fine example of how bad the dps of that gun is: #veteran-class message
I'm here to inform
If you play Ogryn this will cure you of meta chasing
Everything is meta on ogryn
Ogryn is just fun, no matter the build; i spend time roleplaying mid auric
Da Bomb. yeets mini nuke.
Not using the most dogshit gun in the game is meta chasing 
I honestly think a video with the back of a mauler would be better for accurate reporting, than a Mutie that is not normal to shoot so long
if we collect the scripture you better believe im gonna ask to tell me a story
well, there's a reason why any build works on ogryn...
If teammate is hopelessly lost and its objectively better to leave them too bad
i krump the bad green man because makes emprah happy
Because ogryn is body type Thicccccc and yeets 'the rock'. xD
Yeah, I was trying to mentally write how that statement was kinda unncesary
Knowing a gun is bad, informing about it, doesn't mean is either that or meta chase 
dps varies by armor type, I also have ones for maulers to test flak. You want targets with high health because it reduces random variance while testing. Also because some guns do ridiculous dps.
But you see: lost teammate will have lots of spikeys around him for you to krump
Oh, I get why a Mutie, but like one of the things about Recon is the shittiest Maniac modifier, so IMO I consider a better scenario vs a Mauler
Still your test is good to state how shit the line is
no enemies left when i drop me boom rock, have to get sah up
My favorite type of ogryn bros are the shield ones that know how to play as a team
I have videos for all of them, also 2/3 recons are shit against both maniac and unyielding
i mean why not test it on its actual target which is shooters and horde clear
Mhmm
that would be like pointing recon at armoured ogryns and concluding "this is shit"
I found out that you can ask sah for extra rashuns before helping him up, he'll say yes!
Because mainline weapons aren't meant to be only used on shooters and melee chaffe?
Had a legend of an ogryn put his shield down in a doorway that was getting suppressed and ate up all the rounds while we picked off the gunners
And I shouldn't have to explain the difference between shooting a crusher and shooting maniacs
I mainly use Agri auto, and even if its dps is not much superior to Recon, the stagger/and suppression it does + considerably better in ammo efficiency
And recoil is a non-issue unless is your first FPS
heres a spoiler different weapons have different targets, you seem to think the only acceptable build is specialist clear, you can build your character however you like, including horde clear
Its dps is still quite superior
Mhmm, but not to a ridiculous amount
but the extras make it so worth
Here's a spoiler, weapons that can't clear the actual dangerous enemies in the game because they have shit dps are shit
Sadly yes
bad craftsman blames his tools idk 🤷
What is gonna kill your runs, is not the horde
Is the 3 trappers,2 Bombers, 4 Maulers on the corner
ive never had a problem on auric because of taking recons
These guns are actually very terrible
Let’s all agree it’s criminal we still don’t have a hellgun or a melta
all builds can work even if some are meta and some are not
Fr fr
Probably because you're offloading the burden onto your team 
It's not even a matter of builds, the guns just suck numerically. They are objectively much worse than alternatives.
I heard someone saying this morning of maybe turning down the damage but give Recon a shit ton of Finnese
well duh, but nobody cares
its about fun, not about running powersword plasma gun every game
What about the mk7a over the mk2?
A lot of people care 
You don't
Not when people ask about what perks to put on a recon clearly, they just want to build a usable recon gun
If you have no standards, anything is usable.
but, stats wise, is a pretty shit gun that the talents and blessings turn up to decent
if you can roll with that? Fantastic
?? Do people not like being able to kill elites before their teammates can? The recons TTK is like waiting for the bus :\
You can clear auric in your starting gear and by doing literally nothing if your team carries you
Infernus on mk2 to save you shots to kill enemies with the burn because of how weak it is

Wait 3 bussiness day for the Mauler to die
Second worst dps, pens one flimsy target (1 hit mass). Anything above that hit mass gets no pen. Noticeably worse performance than the 6d in ttk.
im sorry. I really am but there's no salvaging that weapon right now
they need to buff it so bad
Hell, a Playtester stated they want to rework it
But Fatshark in their infinite stupidity nerfed it first
When I was doing Exe MF Recon last week, there was a CIAG vet in the party a few times. Damn...guess he was like "thanks for softening them a lil"
well this was the whole problem. I asked what perks and blessings to run on it not which weapon to run
Tbh, CIAG is overtuned
telling me its shit doesnt answer my question
ah fair, I wasn't in that part of the convo
I answered your question #veteran-class message
it got answered eventually
Or at least didn't pay attention to it
There’s a lot of hatred for the gun
But you got a fair warning about what you're getting into
it saves you time tho
were literally trying to save you time
it doesnt
it does
because im not a meta nerd
i run what i want to run because its fun
as my inner dr seuss would say
Regardless of your contrarian tendencies, doing abysmally low dps tends to not be fun.
well we don't eat green eggs and ham here
i dont believe in chasing meta anyway, because just like tabletop it changes
i would not eat it in a box, i would not eat it with a fox
God I hate how people throw the word Meta with no braincells around
There is meta that would be like saying USE CIAG INSTEAD
And there is this is actualyl dogshit
just use what you think is cool
There's no hatred, the guns just blow. People want to use them but they suck, and the people who use them always suction up a ton of ammo and don't perform well for it.
Hell I used VIIa for the first months of release before dropping hte game
I want them to be good
This is like asking how can I optimally queue for damnation as a level 12
can i ask do you play tabletop?
I have multiple gigarolled 6d's
I want these guns to be good
I wasted so much resources chasing the guns for them to be dogshit for nearly the entire games lifespan
No, I like having money in my bank account 
i can trust recons to clear shooters sure enough, but a rager pack is gonna make them sweat where an IAG would mow them down
fair
I wasted all my plasteel in before Patch 14 after being told no real nerfs to VId

lol
Alright I'm convinced the Darktide Breakpoint Calculator is lying
the most cursed build list
The modifier nerfs were at least in the patch nodes, but they definitely hit the bullshit with multiple undocumented and MASSIVE nerfs
what’s going wrong for you
Running non-meta and dogshit stuff in other games can be fun. Hell I do have some minor enjoyment with its pissing lasers. But that's it. You can run the gun. Anyone can clear aurics with mostly anything. They offered perks but are giving a fair warning on the weapon if you are playing damn+. The gun is underwhelming. For most people using an underwhelming gun isn't fun. Do what you want.
We twinned blast enjoyers will never be slaves to the meta 💪
Oh, they went fucking all out, so scummy imo
the best meta is the one that centers aroung YOU the player YOUR unique playstyle. You're not going to pick up someone elses build and immediately be like YUP this is optimal
it's never going to happen
I hit Gunner heads for 1400/max damage every time, crit or no, and it's telling me I should be hitting at ~800 on a crit only
Yep, I avoid build pages for any game because I prefer fucking around
Probably doesn't take into account talents

Right it wouldn't know about that

Okay I am dumb nevermind
For sure. but i still see value in build websites and recommendations. If someone is new to the veteran class for example and wants a support build to start off with i send them one, but after reaching level 30 the best is always to make a build that works for yourself.
lmao good work everyone
The 2nd highest up voted vet build is using recon
Probably from patch 13
Spending any amount of time on reddit should tell you how useful upvotes are
that's because it's filtered for only recon guns
dingus
No. The 2nd highest of ALL vet builds has recon
this, we screamed to the heavens about recon in patch 13 and spread the word
and the nail got hammered down for sticking out
disgusting
I’ll look at build pages for some games to learn what works and then try to figure out how to tweak it for my own purposes
updated 2 months ago
Take the filter off
everybody googling veteran builds and ending up there, oblivious to the patch notes 
im already way ahead of you
hold on lol
accatran second most upvoted damnation or higher build
updated
2
months
ago
how it feels to attempt to push a pox burster when your teammates shoot it
now sort by recently updated
It has to be a troll build post right?
It's from a patch where the 6d was actually performing very well due to unintendedly large synergies with the new talent tree. It probably got nerfed massively along with the rest of the recons.
heres a question
it was a joke relax
i don't think he's upset
does rending strikes only work on melee
pr sure rending strikes just says hits
+10% rending to all attacks, including nade bleeds and such
ye
fatshark is famously inconsistent with its terminology
It got updated when the talents were nerfed. It includes MF. When they introduced keystones for vet that was when talents got nerfed and recons
I can confirm that I am not upset
Misread as does rending strike work on melee
so including shooting

cool
rending strikes i always take when i have bleed nades, it's very noticeable damage buff.
Also for all the other weapons you bring too of course
Usually people use 😂 when they're pretending not to be pissed
MF on the gun line with near the worst finesse modifiers
💀
Good catch
but sometimes its 
Poor guy probably updated it before he realized the undocumented changes
and never touched it again
Just grab a knoife
Brudal
its good when you get blessings on it but elvel 1 is pain
It’s a test of your faith pilgrim
Hammer carrying my dumbass to level 30
"Overpowered Rending"

LMAO
I sniff the copium
updated when
Homie playing on sedition
Yikes, just go deathblow heavy sword
ya ya I will just dont have access to shop at level 1
Posted under 24hrs
started a second zeralot to farm special weapon blessings as I am done with vet
time to get to level 15 with T3 missions and then just go T5
not gonna bother with T4 💀
The true path
I have one of each and keeping the 5th one open in case a new class does drop
If they've leved a few characters to 30 i'm sure they have the skill to handle regular damnation with any level just fine
Base damns are pretty chill
ye base damns are very chill
no ur bad
Hey Sunrise
yes

Well you see, there's a mutant that spawns on me while I'm in a horde with my keyboard unplugged and my monitor off, and my headphones are backwards and I'm out of stamina. How can I argue with you that it's not my fault
guys look at this sick butterknife
let your little brother play instead
Oh god that conversation
Erm. 🤓
Combat blade
He probably runs lacerate on it
♿ 
Correct
Dude was a freaking psyker trying to ask vets what he did wrong
I knew it
I was thinking about that conversation while I was playing last night
ive just been cleaning my hobby brushes this am
the adapted mozambique technique 
there we go fixed loadout
2 to the chest, and 1 to the head, just to make sure, that heretic is dead
I think I might farm plasteel today and see if hadron bricks this graia iag
Personally I overcharge my plasma gun to make sure the heretic is dead
Staring at the blank page before you
Open up the dirty window
Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find
REACHING FOR SOMETHING IN THE DISTANCE
SO CLOSE YOU CAN ALMOST TASTE IT

RELEASE YOUR INHIBITIONS
FEEL THE RAIN ON YOUR SKIN
LET’S GET TO THE KILLIN’

makes you wish for a nuclear winter
I love the smell of virus bomb in the morning
lethal dose of cringe
snackrolling in the mojavelicious fillmost make you satiwish for a nuclear whunger
I vaguely remember Fallout lasers stated to leave smells of Ozone
Does lasguns do the same?
Possibly
Idk those physics to know by head
Guardsmen are just helping healing the planets ozone layers
best voiceline vet with cadia?
All I know is a lasgun can canonically blow limbs off and cauterize the wounds instantly
the ones where he cries about cadia being blown up 
driptide 😓
almost done with farming all blessings so now I need to relevel characters with appropriate voicelines

I run female cadian cause I love the grizzled anger
Yep
nasty piece of weapon
Has killed 99% of enemies of Mankind
sadly the 1% remains
“Give them the old kasrkin double tap!”
so basically a very souped up star wars blaster
Fr
It could do no buff, the VA yelling motivates me enough
Kinda I guess
now levelling a new zealot so I can farm eviscerator and THammer blessings 💀
gonna cost me like 50k plasteel minimum
Pretty much better in every sense
the raw killing energy from that VA is incredible
he did a good job
i want to hear them scream! 
“The gamma 315 is slime!”
TRAXIS....SNIPER!
traxis.. 12???
Who does the female cutthroat
something... something with a net 😩
I hope he knows the community appreciates the sheer energy he managed
“Without me you’ll be dead in minutes!”
not the face i would have imagined that voice coming out of
THERE IS ONLY WAR!
he looks like such a nice man
LETS KARKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
when i think of a cutthroat vet I think of a bald, cleanshaven smarmy british man covered in knicks and cuts and scars
whose teeth are messed up from combat
DELTRATRON.....THE FLAMEY ONE
and his face is curved into a permanent sneer
I think loose cannon could've gotten the codes right sometimes
traxis 12 💪
his limbs are thin but taught with corded muscle
Is better when he doesn't 
this is a being who has become a sociopathic killing machine out of force
The female cutthroat did a role in baldur’s gate as well https://m.imdb.com/name/nm8195734/?ref_=m_ttfcd_cl6
Is not traxis 12

Also just me
or Loose Cannon they added more "bloodthirsty" voice lines recently?
Like, I am getting a lot of
zealot leaves, bot gets left behind. bot enters demonhost because pathfinding. we die.
thanks bot
"WE ARE SURROUNDED... YEAHHH!"

Like the tone is not like "oh great...frag this"
but like
"Let them come"
reminds me of that meme
it's very much "if you can only laugh or cry, i'd rather laugh" sort of feel
Homie just is having fun while he can's
might aswell enjoy it before you get eaten by a beast of nurgle, or some other horrific death
Professional, LC, Cuttrhoat
The first two changes position sometimes
Only quote I consistently remember of Professional is the
FOR THE GOLDEN FRAGGING THRONE!
For some reason I find it so funny
what the fuck, charge your phone, reply to your Discord messages, clear your notifs.
damn, you live like this?
inb4 you won't even see this from the whole notif mess 
you forgot to put GOLDEN in between THE and FRAG
Thanks
Shame on me, that makes it so much funnier
WEAPONS UP, DRIVE EM BACK or FIGHT OR YOU ANSWER TO ME
man if only we can change voices
this man looks too healthy to be from birmingham
how it see it 
LMAO
i could not find place for him :d
Rip
hes out eating the rations
Ogryn no have time to be meme when killin heretics for emprah
We can appreciate the big bois now and then
i wish i could switch voices so bad, i love the brawlers way of saying EMPREH or BURSTEEH
how tall are you, private
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da cadian
oh lol he dosent sound like he would look like in my mind at all
its funny because on twitter hes always talking about arsenal and united
so he fits
cutthroat for sure
ah thats some Bri'ish OOligan footie clubs no?
Homie either can shift his voice amazingly
CAM OON SCOOR SOM FAKKING GOOALS
promise you it comes out during a match
hes probably just from london




