veteran-class

[drifting oak]

so just shooting at them will give you max pinning fire stacks instantly

and that's like the single best time to magdump a bolter anyway

does 8% elites actually give you any breakpoints

or is it just for a little extra granular damage on mauler/crusher to add to any other team damage being dealt

[strange sparrow]

The reason why I went for Surgical is often time I find myself running out of ammo trying to mag dump

[drifting oak]

doesn't bolter get lie zero bonus crit damage though

like an absurdly low amount of bonus damage on-crit

or did they change that

[quick steeple]

weak / crit hit values for bolter are itentical; weakcrit gives between ~25% avg over either of the two alone

[thick rose]

I went unarmored on that chaxe

high IQ concept

I hit maniacs like never and hit those unarmored scabs all the time

the 1 hit is very nice

[crude ermine]

Why is it every helbore game there's 1-2 ogryns in my face..

[golden nacelle]

Anything ya'll would change here?

[umbral scaffold]

the perks is all I'd change

ideally you get a plasma gun with more ammo but that's of little consequence as long as you can manage it properly

blessings are all perfect

[knotty hill]

Which lucius helbore is the best?

[umbral scaffold]

just make the perks t4 and I think you're solid

[golden nacelle]

take something instead of maniac?

[umbral scaffold]

Maniac is good still too

[golden nacelle]

I can only change one perk

[flint lake]

Plasmas fine though you may get better use out of flak or carapace perks instead of Unyeilding

[umbral scaffold]

yeah that's probably better longterm

[golden nacelle]

the unyielding is nice for the monstrosities

[flint lake]

I’d just swap out the axe for a Devil claw

[golden nacelle]

but those fights are rarer

[flint lake]

Plasma already has got elite armour covered so your weapon should lean into hoard clearing to complete the balance

[golden nacelle]

My axe? My baby?

You're kidding right? lol

amazing hoard clear

[umbral scaffold]

if he has brutal momentum

[umbral scaffold]

yeah it still eats hordes

[golden nacelle]

Its godroll

[umbral scaffold]

yeah that still kills most hordes np

solid af

[flint lake]

The antax works well regardless but the Devil claw is better at hoard clearing and defending against ragers

[umbral scaffold]

plus
plasma is actually a good horde clear weapon anyway

the only thing it does is be less efficient at times

and require ammo infusion

[golden nacelle]

My axe 2shots ragers

[umbral scaffold]

but if you're good you don't need much

[flint lake]

Can you fight 3 ragers with your axe?

[golden nacelle]

easily

Thing is a beast

[flint lake]

Then whatever works for u

[golden nacelle]

only thing I struggle with is too much ranged, if I cant close the distance

[flint lake]

Devil claw’s parry kicks their ass but if you can manage packs of ragers in melee without it good on yah

[golden nacelle]

with the plasma at least. My best build I run Brauto, which has no issies anywhere really

issues

[muted knot]

What does your brauto build look like ?

[rare tartan]

what's brauto ? Braced autgoun ??

[muted knot]

Yes

[flint lake]

Lotta rend and brittle using the mark target feat

[rare tartan]

yeah Graia braced is crazy

[golden nacelle]

Im working on different blessings... probably replace the terrifying barrage

I like stripped down for repositioning

[rapid hedge]

Brothers which sword would serve the Emperor better?

[rare tartan]

mine is like this and it destroyes flak/rager/mutants

[jovial aurora]

the milkman makes me big sad

he got some shit that literally slaps sometimes

[golden nacelle]

flak elite I'd day, don't really use PS against the big bois much

[rapid hedge]

@rare tartan got this beauty yesterday , still deciding when to upgrade and give her a whirl

[hybrid token]

braced graia is fun

[rare tartan]

nice 🙂

[zealous wyvern]

grauto

[hybrid token]

when you brace it the fire rate just goes BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[zealous wyvern]

graia brauto grauto

[rare tartan]

haha yeah

[zealous wyvern]

crauto columbus brauto

agrauto agri brauto

[golden nacelle]

Were you wondering about the talents?

[rapid hedge]

i feel like the only reason im not giving non-las guns a chance is cause im low key worried about the ammo lol. Having shock trooper give me ammo for days on Helbor

[hybrid token]

autoguns have a billion ammo

[golden nacelle]

they do, its true

[rare tartan]

my axe also goes brrrrrr

[hybrid token]

with the 25% ammo talent the braced graia has over a thousand bullets

[rare tartan]

i gota like 902 ammo

[hybrid token]

mines like 930 + 75 in the gun

[golden nacelle]

Right side of middle tree all the way down, then this at the bottom

[rare tartan]

i run it with exec

[hybrid token]

grautos

[rapid hedge]

..... 🥲

[rare tartan]

curious is there a build for shoty like

[hybrid token]

i play big shotty

quite a lot

[rare tartan]

i got pretty nice lovebringer

[golden nacelle]

Yeah, I just love the VoC too much

[golden nacelle]

lol, n ow you gotta run that gun as a challenge

[rare tartan]

i just dont like that shoty here reloading liek chamber , not like an actual mag

[golden nacelle]

If you don't, then you have to marry your mother in law.

[willow badger]

trying to learn to love helbore. do you guys typically use autofire for it?

[strange sparrow]

Na

AutoFire miss a lot of shot for me

Initially I was thinking it unlock better DPS

[willow badger]

yea thats what i've been fidning

especially with the mk2

[umbral scaffold]

the headhunter that can take no heads

😔

[vernal harbor]

this game make my pp burn i swear

if i get one more bad consecration

[zealous wyvern]

you will

[finite imp]

Does deathspitter stack

[frank ether]

yes

[finite imp]

Thought so

They need to update the note on that

[molten sluice]

Should I use it or just take off the blessing?

[rapid hedge]

I found the axe to go with it. The Deadly Duo. The emperors right and left toe.

[rapid hedge]

i feel like reload speed isnt worth it at all ,prob can use flak on it

[finite imp]

Hell yeah

[hybrid token]

surprised the braced graia doesnt really feel less accurate than the other 2

thought it would be

[molten sluice]

Isn't stopping power too small?

[hybrid token]

but it really isnt

[rapid hedge]

ye thats why u wanna buff it with something like flak

i mean its useable but its not the best lol, its like just 1 stat away from being a "god roll"

[molten sluice]

I can take off the blessing and just camp brunt's shop for better rolls

[cedar pecan]

Brunt has a present for me

[dusty sluice]

does the stopping power make it miss any breakpoints or is it fine?

[rapid hedge]

yep u can do that too xD

sheeesh dats a nice kantrael

my plasma is literally only 1 stat below xD

[gray finch]

if you find unarmoured and flak it wont

[cedar pecan]

nvm bricked again

[rapid hedge]

oof

i mean the perks arent bad

[cedar pecan]

Hadron only had to give me 1 good perk/blessing and she didn't

[dusty sluice]

what are the needed stats for breakpoints?

[dusty sluice]

i mean unamr is kinda ok

not the best

but

[craggy relic]

fellas question, I am a frontline vet with the boltor and Ive been wondering. Should I I use glory hunter instead of pinning fire?

[strange sparrow]

Pinning is better than Glory imo

[dusty sluice]

finally (iag)

[gray finch]

must have for this one is flak for sure and probably ghost as a blessing if you dont find unarm you can take any dmg unless its carap that is worthless

[gray finch]

also you probably would like to play exec stance for a breakpoints

[rapid hedge]

dont sleep on GH its actually POG. The number of times its saved me from ranged elites like shotgunners is great

instant +25% toughness , not 25. So if my toughness is 245 everytime i kill any elites i get 61 thougness lol

[flint onyx]

Can I use this with full bore and deathsplitter or do I need to change both blessings?

Or no respite and deathspitter

[rapid hedge]

fullbore is a must for agripina cause of the special shot

[flint onyx]

Okay, how about deathspitter, do I keep it and change special to maniac or leave perks and change both blessings?

[rapid hedge]

keep deathspitter for now

[quick steeple]

no respite is must-have on shottys

its head&shoulders better

[hybrid token]

no respite is mandatory

[quick steeple]

No Respite + Fullbore on Agrip[ina

[rapid hedge]

i mean if u want ur special shot to always have a flat damage boost id say full bore

ya no respite + fullbore is the best combo. ur perks seem good tbh

[gray finch]

what about manstopper on agrippina with a deadshot

[flint onyx]

No respite and full bore it is, thanks guys

[quick steeple]

slug already cleaves

[gray finch]

2 enemies

slug stops on 1 rager

[strange sparrow]

FeelBadMan

[weak token]

the slug is too small of a projectile to have much meaningful cleave most of the time

if u want to one shot multiple ragers or something, the revolver would probably be way better

and way faster since u dont need to load another slug if you miss the cleave

[quick steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[gray finch]

norespite literally never proc unless you want to kill stuff with 2 shots

i see it work on ogryns only

[weak token]

it'll work for the regular shots too, its just easy to proc, and gives raw power which is useful either way

honestly agripina shotgun is just too niche due to its blessings despite its versatility

[vivid bolt]

Swap the blessings and its a solid 8/10

[weak token]

its a shotgun that u wanna use from longer ranges, which instantly fks over deathspitter and fire frenzy for the most part, leaving no respite and fullbore as its more usable options

its spread is also quite tight for a shotgun, which fks over scattershot too

so as much as i would like a scattershot manstopper agripina so that it'd function as a funni accurate bolter, it's kinda hard to do so

[cold shuttle]

Ey, I seen a couple of vets doing the recon lasrifles. Any tips on blessings and perks for those?

Used to enjoy v1d a lot a year ago or so

[weak token]

probably dumdum

deathspitter is solid as well

if u want to u can run infernus with headhunter, but wouldnt really recommend, imo those are the memey blessings

recons just arent really too usable in the meta right now

but they can work with the right build

[cold shuttle]

memey because? just fotm

or too good? 😄

[quick steeple]

very undertuned compared to all other guntypes

[cold shuttle]

but the blessings?

make a rifle ok?

im just pugging damnation

sure, I could go autogun or whatever, but I cba to buy/roll for one

but I know i have some decent recons lying about

[finite imp]

empra blessed me

dum dum and it's a godroll right

[crude ermine]

Yes

[finite imp]

or deathspitter

obv im replacing raking

then the question is upgrad maniac perk or FF

[thick wolf]

what do I need to make this lasgun be good in damnation

[slate sleet]

i dont think you people understand how low range "close range kill" really is

you need to stick your barrel up someones ass for it to count

[finite imp]

Do you play on damnation

[idle carbon]

8m

it used to be 15m, then they decided to change it for no good reason, without telling anyone

[slate sleet]

yeah because it was free dmg

now it only works if you are melee range magdumping

[idle carbon]

works for maulers

[finite imp]

can someone explain to me what the fuck a salvo is exactly

is that pull trigger let go of trigger?

[tall torrent]

Every continuous shot fired until weapon recoil resets to original position

[finite imp]

1 salvo?

gotcha

sup numbers cat

[idle carbon]

technically your salvo continues until your recoil fully resets
which has different times if you're in ADS or hipfire, so yay

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[finite imp]

so is fire frenzy no good then?

[slate sleet]

do you play on damnation?

duurrr

[tall torrent]

It’s ok
Not as good as deathspitter imo

[slate sleet]

slavo is just shooting in bursts

[finite imp]

dodged the question B)

[finite imp]

kk

[slate sleet]

its not very good in most cases

as you are shooting most stuff nonstop

in "damnation" that is

:^)

[finite imp]

so deathspitter and dum dum would probably be my go to

[tall torrent]

I prefer dum dum + stripped down personally but

You can get away with a lot of things for IAGs

[idle carbon]

if you're going for duck n dive shenanigans, stripped down can work nicely

[finite imp]

i just use cover

and slide

my stamina is maxed so

[slate sleet]

dum dum and sustained fire are the best agri 1 perks

[idle carbon]

laugh in the face of the dozen gunners unloading at your face as you sprint directly at them

[slate sleet]

they work at any range and provide you with consisten damage

[finite imp]

[slate sleet]

if you are playing well on any gun build you will never really get any damage from all the close range damage boost blessings

stuff will simply never reach you

not to mention its literally a green item with no blessings against any ranged enemy

[idle carbon]

depends on what build you're using the gun on
I have both close range damage blessings on my columnus IAG, works fine on my WS commando vet

yes, even on damnation

[finite imp]

im a melee vet so

[slate sleet]

so they are even worse

when do you ever take out your gun to shoot something point blank instead of meleeing it

[finite imp]

im not hyper worried about my ranged damage i just wanna optimize it

[slate sleet]

if anything you take it out to kill a incoming disabler

[finite imp]

all the time because im a weapon specialist

[slate sleet]

and 90% of the time that will be outside the range those blessings trigger

[finite imp]

that's how you proc it

[slate sleet]

there are way better guns for weapon specialist agile engagement synergy

[finite imp]

brother we play differently, I'm wanting hard numbers, not how you play

[idle carbon]

because magdumping the shooters that are in your face kills them faster than melee, plus it suppresses them and keeps them from attacking you
also to get the extra WS bonuses

[finite imp]

you play how you want it that's cool

[slate sleet]

lol

whatever you say

[finite imp]

that's what i say

[crisp bronze]

@vital garnet Here is my skill tree. The first image is my meta slave Revolver and Rashad setup like I said I need every melee bonus in the tree for my axe to one-tap bruisers could probably change if yours is better. You can use any grenades you want. I just use smokes cause I like them and they lead into the 10% melee damage node.
Second image is the setup I use specifically when I have another Vet with ammo aura. Again I use smokes cause it leads to the 10% melee damage node. If you want to use different nades you can drop either the extra 25% ammo or Field Improv for Kraks. Drop both for Frags.

[umbral scaffold]

game uhh why cant i go forward while im crouched?

i hate it

[sterile wadi]

Can you go backwards

[umbral scaffold]

i can

[sterile wadi]

Do a 180 and go backwards to go forwards

[umbral scaffold]

xd

it gets stuck like 50% of the time

and i jsut cant move fordward

[versed merlin]

so i just found out that lawbringer slug can proc an absurd amount of marksman focus at once depending on how many heads you pop in a single shot

which is funny

[thin yoke]

What does the Agripinaa shotgun bring the vet that Kantrael XII doesn't do better?

aside from a very cool sound

[molten sluice]

Just got this as emperor's gift, is it a perfect horde clear weapon?

[thin yoke]

I have a good one but no idea how to talent for it or what melee to bring

[umbral scaffold]

when i slice crouch i cant move forward xd

slide

[gaunt hinge]

devastating strike is bad

[idle carbon]

yeah, just give that to hadron for the T4 blessing even if it's kind of meh

you can never know if fatshark ever decide to change or buff a useless blessing

[analog crescent]

what's the difference on the devil's claw swords?

[gaunt hinge]

attack pattern

[analog crescent]

ooh

can you elaborate more?

[idle carbon]

claw1 is all horizontals for horde clear
claw4 is a mix, with heavy 1 being an overhead and heavy 2 being horizontal, with easy combos for both
claw7 is also a mix, but with reversed heavies of claw4 and a longer overhead combo

most people like claw4 for easy access to overhead heavy

[gaunt hinge]

claw 1 has a strikedown in its lights

[analog crescent]

thx so much sah

[thick wolf]

this is why you bring in krak grenades

[strange sparrow]

Walk up and shout them

Instant knockover

[idle carbon]

does that work through the bulwark shield?

[thick wolf]

nope

at most its just mild inconvenience for them

iirc

[gaunt hinge]

just goad them into attacking and then discombobulate with colum

[wise fossil]

is thermal resistance the dump stat?

[severe pecan]

Anyone recommend some good plasma gun blessings

[wise fossil]

People will debate Gets Hot! or Volatile but Blaze Away is generally accepted to be good

[gaunt hinge]

id consider charge rate to be the dumpy

[severe pecan]

Gets hot looks better to me

[wise fossil]

Volatile also increases LMB shot speed as well as the charge shot. It can be okay

[weak token]

take on gets hot and volatile is to not bring both together, but im a firm believer of gets hot

then blaze away as the guaranteed pick

[past knot]

What bless should I put on mk10 heavy laspistol?

[severe pecan]

Ye seems broke

[weak token]

i assume that's the new one, infernus/ghost + dumdum

[past knot]

Oh nice
Deadshot needed?

[wise fossil]

isn't the meme Dumdum + Infernus?

[weak token]

u dont shoot as fast which means u dont crit as much which means u dont stack infernus as much as the other laspistol, so might as well go ghost for some survivability vs gunners, altho this is a vet chat so its fine

[wise fossil]

cause the burn ticks up dumdum

[weak token]

deadshot is not really needed

[severe pecan]

Is there a gets hot IV

[finite imp]

even at maxed stam, it drains so fast

[weak token]

u shoot too much with the laspistol, deadshot will be a debuff

[past knot]

Ah karking finally

[wise fossil]

is Deadshot worth on any build?

[past knot]

Revolver

Hands down

[wise fossil]

hmm yeah makes sense

[weak token]

im a firm believer of deadshot on revolver or certain shotgun builds

deadshot on bolter is pretty good too

helps with the stupidly bad sway, and increased crit never hurt nobody

altho revolver deadshot superior

[past knot]

Figured as much
Does it crit often on its own
Wanted to take shock trooper for extra ammo

[snow pendant]

deadshot feels like a caveat build u need to have stam curios

[past knot]

Yeah you need it

[snow pendant]

while others free up your curios to run toughness or hp

[past knot]

It feels clunky without it

[weak token]

it crits pretty often, it'll be good if u can bring +5% crit chance perk and crit chance on talent tree too

[gaunt hinge]

run 9 stam, become him

[devout atlas]

deadshot revy doesn't need stam curios but that's abt it

[past knot]

Ah ill take those than

[snow pendant]

survival curious like stam and hp has let me survived so much that i am not willing to trade em for deadshot builds

[past knot]

But man does it feel much nicer to have extra stamina

[snow pendant]

in heresy without survival stam a sniper will clap you if u dodge bad

[severe pecan]

How does the blessing levels work, do I need a higher rarity weapon for higher blessings or is it all just random

[past knot]

Atleast you won't get caught off pants down by bombers mid director tantrum

[weak token]

just dont expect it to have good ammo efficiency even with shock trooper

[snow pendant]

but with survival curious snipers will need 4 shots to even put me down

[past knot]

It shouldn't be that much problem fif I'm headshotting often

[weak token]

that's the last thing its known for especially when on a vet that uses it mainly throughout the entire game

[weak token]

ye, it shouldnt, go get em sharpshooter

[past knot]

Yes sah

[teal quail]

is this a good buy?

[sonic marlin]

got this yesterday, decided i don't like the light-heavy-light combo for crowd clearing, which other melee weapons are used alot?

[crude ermine]

Eh

[weak token]

mediocre

[crude ermine]

Surgical is nice but you'll have to pray you get onslaught otherwise you're fucked

[weak token]

he has 2 chances to reroll to be fair

[umbral scaffold]

xd

[teal quail]

what are the ideal blessings on helbores?

[weak token]

he can keep crit chance and switch infested and the 4th perk if it isnt onslaught

[crude ermine]

Oh yeah

[crude ermine]

Onslaught and surgical

[weak token]

surgical onslaught

[crude ermine]

Speaking of blessings

[teal quail]

thanks!

[crude ermine]

I am REALLY sick of Hadron giving me fucking infernus and the firing salvo whatever it's called on my mk1

5 good rolls down the drain

[severe pecan]

Power sword

[slate sleet]

what are you looking for @crude ermine

[crude ermine]

Onslaught surgical

[weak token]

surg onslaught

u roll mk1s?

[sonic marlin]

which one

[crude ermine]

My mk2 I instantly got BOTH blessings on the second weapon but Hadron hates my mk1

[frank basin]

All plasteel down in drain

[weak token]

i roll mk3s with charge rate as dump stat

gave it surgical + sustain fire

every charged shot is pretty much a crit

[slate sleet]

onslaught surgical on mark 1 lasgun?

[frank basin]

Helbore

[weak token]

its the same thing on all lasguns

[crude ermine]

Helbore yes

[weak token]

all helbore lasguns*

[slate sleet]

oh snorebore

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-24243729

[weak token]

other lasguns dont have surg/onslaught

[sonic marlin]

why not mk3

[crude ermine]

It's typically outclassed

By the 6

[sonic marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-24243729

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cat-gif-18303195

[sonic marlin]

how does it work, does it need some stupid combo?

[slate sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-gif-11386513

[sonic marlin]

someone told me theres a melee weapon that has an annoying charge mechanic

[severe pecan]

No you charge it and it goes brrr

[sonic marlin]

oh

[weak token]

push atk into light attack when empowered

[crude ermine]

You can also do the push attack to overhead

[severe pecan]

Only last a couple swings tho

[weak token]

2 shots crusher with the correct build

[slate sleet]

pswords are over rated

[crude ermine]

And with cara you can 2 shot crushers

[slate sleet]

shovel 1 shots crusher with any build

[frank basin]

Chain axe time

[slate sleet]

checkmate psword virgins

[weak token]

for real, dont like em, too slow

[slate sleet]

they are turbo cringe

[severe pecan]

Oof

[weak token]

i way prefer the combat axe

[slate sleet]

guys i just spent 5000000 plasteel and still dont have soy cycler 4 this is bs!!!

[weak token]

i've a melee build, and i specifically avoid using the power sword for it

im using a fking knife, which i honestly just dont touch outside of speedruns

[crude ermine]

Oh and say goodbye to your mobility when charging it unless you want to start sliding

[slate sleet]

melee vet has so many fun options and yet everyone needs a psword for some reason

[frank basin]

Da metah

[slate sleet]

its not even good

[weak token]

using that for a melee build just tells u a lot about what i think about the power sword, especially when i just dont enjoy knife

[serene orbit]

because psword is also fun 🤷‍♂️

[sonic marlin]

what other options do i have, which melees are good

[severe pecan]

Yeah I guess but just get good at going back before you do

[weak token]

combat axe

[severe pecan]

Chain sword

[serene orbit]

I enjoy chainsword 4

[severe pecan]

But I ain’t got a clue on build

[crude ermine]

Rashad is pretty good, but it's not my tea

[slate sleet]

rashaad combat axe, combat knife, mk3 shovel, chainaxe

[sonic marlin]

i want cleave, mostly use melee for crowd control

[weak token]

new shovels good too

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-cat-monch-cat-monch-spinfal-gif-19376414

[slate sleet]

rashaad is the best melee wep in the game by a large amount

[weak token]

chainsword then

[severe pecan]

I used to use shovel but I don’t like the blunt much prefer the cleave of swords

[slate sleet]

press mouse 1 delete all chaff with light attacks

[weak token]

give chainsword wrath + rampage

[strange sparrow]

Try the new ChainSword

Shred + Rampage is funny

[sonic marlin]

300k ordo ducats gone trying to roll high modifier shit

bruh

[severe pecan]

Nae

[frank basin]

I use wrath on xiig chainsword

[weak token]

to be fair, unless u're playing it with zealot momentum or martydom, u cant use it as braindead as u use a chainsword against chaffs

[sonic marlin]

thankfull for this tho

[weak token]

u gotta kite and push atk to keep them at bay

[crude ermine]

What are the blessings

[frank basin]

What is chaff means?

[sonic marlin]

i didn't bother changing them yet

[slate sleet]

you absolutely can

[weak token]

chaff means the insignificant mobs

[sonic marlin]

idk what to even put on tbh, just reached 30

[slate sleet]

voc vet is so tanky you can just chop all day long nothing will deal any chip dmg

[tall torrent]

Veteran can get the same breakpoints

[crude ermine]

Dumdum

[weak token]

anything that isnt a machine gunner, rager, mauler, trapper, and what not

[frank basin]

The pox walker and groaner?

[weak token]

pox walker, groaners, and some others like dreg brusiers, and what not

[strange sparrow]

Why people care so much about chip dmg on Veteran

[sonic marlin]

instead of what

[frank basin]

Non elite specialist okay

[strange sparrow]

Don't we have like 150 HP base something

[weak token]

yes

anything u cant highlight

[weak token]

its not the breakpoint that matters, its the limited cleave

[crude ermine]

I'd say either really

[weak token]

zealots can remedy it with crazy attack speed

[frank basin]

Well rashad can’t cleave except bm land on head shot constant isn’t that big cleave.

[weak token]

vets and psykers, not as much

[tall torrent]

Veteran can also get very high melee atk speed

[weak token]

in higher difficulty, u'll get overwhelmed if u dont do it right

[sonic marlin]

shits empty, do i need to surrender weapons with blessings first?

[frank basin]

Rashad seem like risk reward

[weak token]

if u specifically go weapon specialist and keep swapping weapons to kill stuff to keep the buff up yes

but that's a hassle, i dont do that personally

i run my axe raw with no melee atk speed on vet tree

[thick wolf]

what blessings and perks are recommended for the infantry ia lasgun?

[weak token]

headhunter + deadly accurate

[tall torrent]

Flak maniac
Headhunter + deadly accurate

[crude ermine]

Yes

You'll have to start collecting weapons and bringing them to blue and extracting their blessings

[weak token]

or gold

or yellow

way higher chance for t4 blessing

[frank basin]

Does gold any stats base yield tier 4 blessing?

[weak token]

tho u do u

[crude ermine]

It's two paths really

[weak token]

its believed that higher base stats have higher chances

[thick wolf]

thanks because I currently have this rn

[weak token]

but its not always guaranteed

[weak token]

u can get unlucky

or rather u will

[thick wolf]

I have flak perk on it already

[frank basin]

Aw man that’s so gambling

[finite imp]

big agree

[weak token]

opening salvo can be switched to headhunter to make this workable

[finite imp]

yfw you join a quickplay and it's 3 vets running Psword + Plasma gun

[sonic marlin]

do all guns have specific blessings? Lik shotguns got shotgun only, autoguns go blessings only for autoguns?

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-excuse-me-gif-26208500

[idle carbon]

it is your duty to make that quad plasma

[crude ermine]

It's more in branches

[frank basin]

Could be me being anti tank loadout

[finite imp]

i mean. The entire level is going to get melted

i might as well just walk behind them

[crude ermine]

Like the mk V Columnus and another weapon share blessings, so if you have blessings on that weapon you'll have it on the other

[finite imp]

scroll tik tok

[tall torrent]

Blessings for specific weapon families (infantry autoguns for example) do not share with other weapon families

[crude ermine]

I think specifically infantry autoguns

[tall torrent]

Dum dum on infantry autoguns is not the same thing as dum dum on laspistols, for example

[sonic marlin]

so do i just upgrade infantry autoguns if i wanna earn blessings for my Columnus 5?

[thick wolf]

yeah ic, I think I have a weaker ia lasgun that has headhunter

[sonic marlin]

and then surrender them

[thick wolf]

although I don't think it was level 4

[tall torrent]

You need a lot of infantry autoguns to reap their blessings from

[slate sleet]

what are the odds?

[sonic marlin]

is 19% hp a big deal or what

[strange sparrow]

No

[slate sleet]

its 2 of the exact same trinket

[strange sparrow]

Just ain't that great

[faint violet]

What perks and blessings look for power sword?

[sonic marlin]

btw if i got a transcendent gun with 2 blessings, what happens if i surrender one, does the gun disappear?

[crude ermine]

Brutal momentum and powercycler 4

[tall torrent]

Yes

[weak token]

power cycler + brutal momentum/sunder/slaughterer/rampage

[tall torrent]

When u surrender a weapon, that weapon is permanently gone from ur inventory

[slate sleet]

reddit cycler 4 and reddit momentum

[finite imp]

Nyquil, and sleepnumber matress

[strange sparrow]

I suggest Flak + Cara but people like Flak + Maniac,
PowerCycler + Brutal Momentum (Cleave) / Sunder (Good against Elite)

[sonic marlin]

and when i get the blessing do i keep it forever or do i need to surrender a weapon each time i wanna change a blessing on another gun

[tall torrent]

Maniac/carapace/unyielding
Power cycler 4 + brutal momentum/sunder

[crude ermine]

For perks you can go the usual maniflak OR have one be cara to see if you can two shot the crushers (push attack combo)

[tall torrent]

U keep that blessing forever and can be applied an infinite amount of times on other weapons of the same family

[finite imp]

one of my friends described a demographic as "reddit hot sauce guys" and I never forgot about it lmao

[sonic marlin]

cool

is it worth upgrading a 16% toughness curio or do i wait till i get 17%

[weak token]

personally i'd wait for 17%

but u can upgrade if u cant wait

[strange sparrow]

Just upgrade cuz Curios is hard to grind overall

[weak token]

it does take awhile

[slate sleet]

reddit here, pay attention

[finite imp]

you'd think they'd just add in a tutorial for how this works but why waste the effort i guess it's clear they're gonna scrap the crafting system

revamp it i mean

[strange sparrow]

it's clear they're gonna scrap the crafting system
Sources please

[finite imp]

look at your diamantine

see how it's impossible to burn at the same rate as plasteel?

it's absurd to think they're going to keep it this way

[sonic marlin]

i still don't know what curios i should get, i see people use 3x toughness, someone told me 2x toughness and 1x hp, then idk what other stats to choose

[crude ermine]

I like using 2 toughness 1 health

[slate sleet]

post em

[finite imp]

it's completely undeniable by both the devs and the community it needs changed. There are people in here AND on the fatshark forums EVERYDAY posting new threads about the shit crafting

[strange sparrow]

Im richer now

for now

[sonic marlin]

this seems ideal, or not?

[finite imp]

if you seriously think they're just gonna say fuck it and keep this system you're a silly sausage

[frank basin]

I have 23k diamantine

[crude ermine]

It can work

[frank basin]

Due of refund bug

[slate sleet]

toughness regen is a total meme

[finite imp]

at the BARE MINIMUM

they need to give us a way to burn diamantine

[crude ermine]

However I'd swap some of the perks

[strange sparrow]

They're just gonna give a new way to consume diam tbh

like how docket is

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-racer-gif-25093341

[strange sparrow]

then now you're plasteel poor and diamantine poor

[sonic marlin]

for which ones

[crude ermine]

I'd remove the toughness regen

[finite imp]

perfect

[crude ermine]

For res

[finite imp]

as the empra intended

[strange sparrow]

That's like very far away from scrap/revamp tbh

[crude ermine]

Gunners are my preference but you can also go snipers if you want to

[strange sparrow]

more like just "more bullshit" into the crafting system

[frank basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/483194808588828672/1172408413527998484/livegunner.gif?ex=6560356c&is=654dc06c&hm=29ac37863650442c6c375bcb36126b1608ff0265b72a6a16fe9d5aee291c0c59&

[faint violet]

Good luck its FatShark not some dev who actually care what community want.

[finite imp]

so they're just going to bolt on a random mechanic and not touch anything else lol

[crude ermine]

I like running +5 toughness

+5 health

+20% gunner res

[finite imp]

ok

[sonic marlin]

almost decent, can i also change the perks here only twice?

[frank basin]

Micro individual vs macro masses

[strange sparrow]

They're probably gonna start asking us to pay diam to change apperances

[frank basin]

Fatshark prefer macro masses

[strange sparrow]

[crude ermine]

Yep

[finite imp]

that wouldn't even shock me

[crude ermine]

Just like everything else, so choose wisely

[strange sparrow]

the crafting system right now are so "tuned"

[finite imp]

the way they've treated the cosmetics in game is pretty shameless

[strange sparrow]

Doubt much change would be made in any future

[sonic marlin]

also i need to change my build, i was following something from Gameslantern but ended up choosing random stuff the 10ish last talent points

[strange sparrow]

except red item (Hopium)

[crude ermine]

What Keystone you run?

[faint violet]

Its pretty nice curio, also before it was possible to only change one perk.

[frank basin]

Copium and hopium

[finite imp]

they seriously need to add some more earnable cosmetics THAT ACTUALLY LOOK GOOD

like dude i kill half a million enemies and I get a FRAME?

yikes

[sonic marlin]

i ended up choosing Focus target

idk whats good tbh

[crude ermine]

May I see your tree?

[finite imp]

depends on your preferred playstyle

[sonic marlin]

i said i choose random stuff, i need to reset it

[crude ermine]

I'd like to pick out some things and I'll let you know what's worth changing

Oh

[finite imp]

do you like melee? if so, WS

[crude ermine]

Ok

[finite imp]

if not, do you like to spot targets?

if so middle tree

don't wanna do any of that? left tree

but if you look at other builds everyone kinds spreads out

[vernal harbor]

Posting my build because im unsure if its busted or not, i take less than 100hp damage every mission, never get downed unless im tossed from a ledge, dont run out of ammo, can powersword melee elite horde solo, havent lost a game with it since i made it and it seems to keep my team highly supplied and protected. Just in case someone wanted to try a grenadier thing (this isnt a super tailored build its just random stuff i use)

[crude ermine]

I'd take off the right node under VOC

[sonic marlin]

i was kinda following these 3 builds

[sonic marlin]

but it seems so useful

[crude ermine]

It's an noob trap and the left node is just better

It allows you to save a point for something else

Because you're basically cutting your voc potential in half with it unfortunately

Everything else you have is pretty good

[finite imp]

you can literally VOC near a downed teammate and start picking them up

nothing can stop you from succeeded barring a burster

the stun lasts just long enough

[crude ermine]

Tho I'd take off the node next to the iron will

Because you have the grenade Regen node

[slate sleet]

finally some good food

[faint violet]

Its time to cheak out how much it is worth.

[crude ermine]

Ah I got that a while back

Fun

[sonic marlin]

yeah this is the random stuff i choose on the few last lvls

so i got 2 points, where to put them

[frank basin]

Anywhere you like

Pick other node

[crude ermine]

I'd probably change the toughness regen speed on the curio

But that's it really

[finite imp]

touighness regen no good?

[crude ermine]

I mean it works, but you can go for something else and it won't hurt

[finite imp]

gotcha

wouldn't haved shocked me to hear it straight up didnt work

[crude ermine]

I'd say to the left side of the tree (after the ability)

[vernal harbor]

like i said its not super tailored, i imagine it can be fine tuned to something biblical if the impromptu build rn is as ridiculous as it is

something about this tree is getting nerfed 100%

idk what though

because im now on auric dam and its the same its like a free pass

[sonic marlin]

this?

[crude ermine]

Yes

[sonic marlin]

whats suppresion

[crude ermine]

The one on the left, tho you could go for determination if you want for suppression res

Sway you get when gunners n shit shoot you

[frank basin]

Suppression immunity prevent you getting stagger from being shot

[sonic marlin]

meh

[crude ermine]

Some guns have more tolerance than others

[frank basin]

Gunner is annoying when come 3-6 of them in one area

Constant barraging you can’t take it out

[sonic marlin]

what even counts as a weakspot on most enemies, just the head?

[frank basin]

Head

Beast of nurgle got big yellow boils on back

[sonic marlin]

i know 2 monstrosities have stuff on their backs

[crude ermine]

I'd go precision strike if you don't want determination

[frank basin]

Plague ogryn simple head

[sonic marlin]

k i got weakspot dmg

[crude ermine]

Perfect

[frank basin]

Test your build

[sonic marlin]

finding my favourite melee wep will take forever

[frank basin]

I say starter is chainsword

Mark xiiig something I spam light attack

[serene sage]

There's nuanced here. It doesn't stop the stagger, it stops the sway. If you're being shot near the area some guns have massive sways

[sonic marlin]

that could work

[frank basin]

I can’t find word lad idk what call stagger or sway

[sonic marlin]

this one works the same as mk4 but is just worse right?

i mean the attack stuff

[crude ermine]

Yes

Kinda

It's more of a sweep

[sonic marlin]

k, ill see if i like it, then i might invest into mk4

[crude ermine]

Alright

[sonic marlin]

someone said the knife is great on veteran, im guessing its used for backstab build? I thought it was good only on zealot, ive seen people oneshot bosses with it

[frank basin]

Chainsword with wrath or savage sweep blessing

[frank basin]

Those like if you play quick reflexes

You go knife

Like weapon specialist keystone

[crude ermine]

I wouldn't recommend knife but it's fine

Not horrible

[frank basin]

Is just intermediate

To use

[sonic marlin]

basically Id like huge claeave with only light attack spam

[frank basin]

Mark 4 devil claw

Or mk xiiig chainsword

[crude ermine]

DC can take some time to get the parry down

[sonic marlin]

i was told this needs light heavy repeating combo for it to be good for crowd control since it doesn't do horizontal strikas all the time

[frank basin]

I usually spam light attack parry occasionally on singular rager

[frank basin]

They do x and horizontal light attack

[sonic marlin]

so its fine to spam light?

[crude ermine]

Funny enough that's a perfect devil's claw

[frank basin]

Yeah for horde

[crude ermine]

Minus cara that one confused me

[sonic marlin]

i missclicked, i wanted unarmored lmao

i was too sleepy

[crude ermine]

Ahh

[frank basin]

Get some sleep later to play the game

[serene sage]

It's fine, not optimal, I would recommend light heavy sequence for maximal DPS

[sonic marlin]

#veteran-class message guy was surprised how lucky i was

[serene sage]

But if you're lazy, who cares

[sonic marlin]

#veteran-class message also here they told me i could keep carpace

[serene sage]

Probably not

The dclaw bounce against Carapace

Maniac + Flak/Unarmored

[sonic marlin]

so do i change it to unarmored

?

[serene sage]

Yeah that can work

[sonic marlin]

idk whats flak armor

[frank basin]

Scab enemies

[sonic marlin]

or which enemies count as maniacs

[frank basin]

Armored dudes

[frail pond]

hello fellow vets what are some blessings/perks I should be looking for on the mkIII power sword? I have this right now.

[frank basin]

Flamers, mutants, trapper

Ragers

[sonic marlin]

aah

[crude ermine]

Like scab shotgunners, gunners, ragers, bomber bodies, mauler bodies

Not to be confused with the naked ragers

They're maniacs

[frank basin]

Armored ragers are flak

[crude ermine]

Yes

[frank basin]

Is shotgunner unarmored?

And flak

[crude ermine]

Scab no

[frank basin]

They are not maniac?

[crude ermine]

It's all armour for scab

Dreg shotgunners are unarmored

Like dreg gunners

[frank basin]

Oh you meant for flak enemies

[crude ermine]

Yes

[past knot]

How does low profile work?

[dusty sluice]

ehhhhh, bricked?

or is unyielding fine

[frank basin]

If you going against bulwark or monstersity or meme to kill scab captains.

[frank basin]

After you exit infiltration ability the enemies around you not aware where you are they just blind eyes

For 10 second

Not sure attacking can aggro them

[past knot]

Thats busted isn't it? With second charge

Almost 40s of no aggro

30 if you wan be stingy

[frank basin]

Yeah it sound to me like wannabe zealot invisible knife

You bump some patrol bulwark and crusher your dip away

Is greatly use revive downed Allies in stickies situation

[past knot]

More like dropping the responsibility on teammates

[frank basin]

Yeah

[past knot]

Yeah I was already running some revive speed and shout
I'll try this

Never used the stealth

[frank basin]

I had

As plasma psword

I run anti tank got overwhelmed with mobs

Dip aways run back to team cohesion then melee them out

Usually when I get lost I fear panicking when special or horde

[past knot]

Ok the use of it looks awesome ill try yours in emergency

[frank basin]

Sticky situation like open area with gunners when your Ally in middle area getting blasted by gunners

Or boss fight monstrosity

Pair with great revive speed

[past knot]

Yeah first mission just now I saw how good it is
Still im not a fan of the second charge, it makes it feel less spammy

[jagged stream]

what are the recommended blessings on Shovel?

[crude ermine]

Which one

[jagged stream]

Munitorum 3

the 2 new ones

[crude ermine]

Uncanny is nice to have, but I like running thrust and limbsplitter, decimator is also nice

Can't really decide because they're all very nice, it just depends on your playstyle

[jagged stream]

some combo of uncanny, deci, thrust, and limb. Thank you

[crude ermine]

Np

[slate sleet]

god i love melee only maps

rashaading it up

[finite imp]

never thought i'd meet a toxic Ogryn

[crude ermine]

It's a nice refresher to not deal with gunners

[finite imp]

not too bad

good crowd clearer

thinking shred to savage sweep

and 2nd perk to something else

unarmored?

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[finite imp]

aight

[daring lily]

how the hell have any of you done on overwatch

[frank basin]

I didn’t

[willow badger]

which helbore do u guys prefer

also generally want to run surgical and onslaught right? any thoughts on infernus?

[crude ermine]

I like 1 and 2

For the bayonet

[frank basin]

Bayonet

[jovial aurora]

yay or nay

it's pretty

i don't knife tho

[zealous wyvern]

why does the cadian gear not grant me more ammunition

all those pouches

useless?

[last parcel]

they just hold pieces of paper with cadia written all over them

[zealous wyvern]

oh

i see

that is why my voice of command cooldown is like five seconds

[jovial aurora]

also this worth picking up if i wanna try axes?

defense shouldn't be a bad dump stat

[zealous wyvern]

stats are pretty good i would say

perk meh but

chances you get something better i suppose

[jovial aurora]

specialists is always one i don't "mind" dealing with

[vernal harbor]

we all serve, in our own way 🫡

[tranquil bronze]

Other than needing to find a better HH, Hadron was good to me.

[empty root]

this worth upgrading?

[tranquil bronze]

Yes

[empty root]

what are dump stats for PG

[jovial aurora]

god damn it

lol

[dusty sluice]

is the bolter just really bad for overall dmg or am i doing smth wrong

[empty root]

bolter should have really good damage

[jovial aurora]

imma kms

[empty root]

its main drawback is its draw and reload speeds

[dusty sluice]

i'm getting 200k at the end of the game

[jovial aurora]

this would literally be perfect for a hand cannon donor if it had surgical

[jovial aurora]

ammo all day

[dusty sluice]

suggestions?

[jovial aurora]

rebless

[dusty sluice]

hadron is so going to brick this

[empty root]

not a shovel expert but I would change unyielding and limbsplitter

unarmored and a good anti-horde blessing

[wet elk]

damn melk almost got me a great lucius

[dusty sluice]

no respite is fine on the mk1

[wet elk]

talking about the amo

[dusty sluice]

oh lol didn't notice that

i meannn

[wet elk]

the lasgun peeeerk

🤔

[finite imp]

bro imma be real

with the lasgun perk

[empty root]

just use the bayonet to save ammo

[finite imp]

you aren't running out of ammo

it just doesnt happen

[wet elk]

i never tried it

[finite imp]

your accuracy needs to be SHIT to run out of ammo on a helbore with the perk

[wet elk]

is it that good?

[finite imp]

YES

i NEVER need ammo. I NEVER pick any up

[empty root]

the bayonet jab is fucking nuts on it too

[wet elk]

nice

[finite imp]

YEAH

Try the bayonet

you'll be like WTF

[empty root]

watch youtube videos of vets killing choas spawn in like 10 seconds with bayonet

[finite imp]

its so busted

[empty root]

double tap mutants with it

[finite imp]

theyre probably gonna nerf it ngl

not hard

but a lil

[empty root]

they already nerfed it didnt they?

it used to interact with your melee weapon blessings

[finite imp]

if they did it must have been godlike

[empty root]

blessing that did bonus damage to first hit of combo

[finite imp]

LOL

[empty root]

some shit like that

imagine current bayonet but 50% more damage

[finite imp]

the bayonet is dope. It has a singular attack that comes out just a tiny bit slower than the knife, can be CHARGED, is a STAB attack so it pens armor, and it does BULLSHIT damage

especially on weakspots

[empty root]

all you need is a shovel or power sword to cleave hordes

[finite imp]

bro you can clear hordes with the bayonet tbhy

just aim high

[empty root]

if you are getting surrounded though

[tranquil bronze]

How the hell do you do hi intensity on Damn?

[finite imp]

do you know how to dance

https://tenor.com/view/happy-feet-penguin-happy-dance-mumble-tap-dancing-gif-5594398

HAPPY FEET

WOMBO COMBO

OH OH OOOOH

[empty root]

?

[finite imp]

it's doable

it's all about your team tbh

thankfully damnation still hosts a very good tier of pubbies

[empty root]

so whats your counter argument then what melee weapon should you be pairing with helbore lasgun

[wet elk]

i got this one tho

[finite imp]

im not arguing with you my brother

[wet elk]

the mk3

[finite imp]

but I would bring knife personally

[empty root]

in my eyes the only thing you are missing with the bayonet is wide cleave

[dusty sluice]

this is mine

[finite imp]

imagine tho

id say knife or DC

[wet elk]

is the mk3 much worse?

[finite imp]

whichever you feel you have more problems with armor or meat

[finite imp]

depends on the player tbh

[dusty sluice]

the bayonet is the worst

[finite imp]

but yes ^

[dusty sluice]

its a overhead lmao

[finite imp]

this

[wet elk]

is it just the bayonet?

[finite imp]

its slow and bad

the trade off with the mk3 is it charges fastest

but it also does less dmg

[wet elk]

hmm

[finite imp]

personally i reccomend the mk2

[molten sluice]

Found a great roll

[golden nacelle]

I thought it was the mk2 that charged faster

[finite imp]

its a good balance between all worlds

[finite imp]

charges faster than 1

it's the compromise between 1 and 3

1 charges slowest and is a cannon

[golden nacelle]

I get them mixed up I guess

mk2 has the good bayonet tho

[dusty sluice]

mk3 has the slowest charge lol

[finite imp]

does it

i only ever use 2

[golden nacelle]

yeah, thats what I thought

[dusty sluice]

yes

[finite imp]

welp

sorry for the misinfo

of course you COULD BE GASLIGHTING ME

[molten sluice]

Honestly Helbores are only good for Krieg cosplay

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/really-oh-seriously-gif-25779910

idk about that take bub

[molten sluice]

Cadian cosplay?

[finite imp]

nono you're right the causemen of krieg are the ones who are issued helbores

[tranquil bronze]

Should I just avoid quickplay for damnation?

[finite imp]

no

try it

[empty root]

no its pretty good

[finite imp]

damnation pubbies are a different breed

the rejects all run off to heresy

[empty root]

the only thing you can control is you

[finite imp]

the chads remain

[empty root]

learn to play the game

and practice and improve

[molten sluice]

Depends on the day of the week

[finite imp]

although every now and then you'll run into some sweaty complainer

talks shit the entire match

god borbid you go down due to bad rng

[empty root]

honestly my biggest gripe, if you are gonna get hard carried, dont scoop up all the resources

[finite imp]

i don't think anyone is going to sit there and be like "okay I'm getting hard carried and I suck and I accept that as reality."

[empty root]

and don't hold ammo crates/medpacks/med stims

[finite imp]

this too i always ask if people want me to drop

I also tend to save stims for other people

[empty root]

When I am leveling and playing dam I know I am getting carried and I don't touch resources unless they are unclaimed

[finite imp]

a med stim is that little control you can have over other by forcing them to stay alive lol

[empty root]

some players who get carried use up all the ammo and med and their carries can't even carry them and its a wipe

[finite imp]

i'd personally just not touch damnation till 30

but to each their own

i don't like to conciously burden my team in a co-op game

[empty root]

I play damn under 30 if its a premade group and I am asking permission to level

[tranquil bronze]

Damnation should definitely be strictly lvl 30, you're just asking for it.

[empty root]

I think people shouldnt be able to solo queue damnation under 30

[finite imp]

thats fair enough

[finite imp]

agreed

[empty root]

all the levels are too low

[finite imp]

i had a level SEVENTEEN join my damnation game

[tranquil bronze]

And their gear isn't good

[empty root]

solo qeue malice should be 10, heresy 20, damnation 30

[north raptor]

just played with a high-performing veteran using a clicker mod. is that... allowed?

[finite imp]

died twice in within like FIVE mins

and got pissed we told him to leave

[empty root]

if you queue under those levels you generally run into big trouble

[finite imp]

a clicker mod?

[north raptor]

someone who has a mod to make his lmb click faster than humanly possible

[finite imp]

like he holds mouse 1 but it's rapid fire

[empty root]

that can just be a script not even a mod

[finite imp]

the guns cannot fire faster than their RPM so who cares

[north raptor]

ok, but answer the question?

[finite imp]

click 1 million times in a second

[finite imp]

read the 2nd part of my answer

[empty root]

offers no advantage

[north raptor]

is that not a bannable thing?

[finite imp]

no

[tranquil bronze]

It's not

[finite imp]

like i said who cares

[tranquil bronze]

Something like that isn't a serious offense on a pve coop game.

[finite imp]

it saves your hands some strain oh no you're a cheaterrrrr

[north raptor]

jesus, i was just wondering

[finite imp]

get arthritis like the rest of us

[finite imp]

i think you may be misinterpreting our tones

[empty root]

moth what was he doing with the mod?

[north raptor]

killing things very fast on a lasgun

[empty root]

like how do you know he was clicking fast

[finite imp]

sick

[north raptor]

he told me

[finite imp]

did you report him

[north raptor]

told me he had a mod installed

[finite imp]

my brother in christ you're not gonna believe this

[north raptor]

ykonw... im just gonna block you sunrise. legit i was just curious if that was a thing youre allowed to do or not

[finite imp]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide

over reacting a little

[twin kettle]

How to improve?

[finite imp]

but ok

i dont feel like I was being hostile

[tranquil bronze]

Useable... very useable

[empty root]

i dont know if they are good but damn those blessings synergize

[finite imp]

sheesh

[tranquil bronze]

Hot damn i want that

Just change the perks

[empty root]

change perks and you are golden

[finite imp]

crinkly

[twin kettle]

change to what?

[empty root]

when in doubt flak maniac?

[tranquil bronze]

FlakNiac is standard

[twin kettle]

flak and what sorry?

[empty root]

maniac

all your dangerous specialists are maniac

and flak is the most common type in the game

[tranquil bronze]

Unarmored is also a decent alternative, but for that, definitely maniac.

[vernal harbor]

put me in darktide id definitely be categorized as maniac fr

[empty root]

also unyielding

flak maniac unarmored and unyielding are your 4 generic perks