veteran-class

[raw steppe]

it's really not necessary in lower difficulties

[remote nebula]

you.. make a good point, even with that low finesse roll though?

[raw steppe]

cuz everything has like 40-50% less hp

[remote nebula]

I basically only play damnation and I should probably consider moving to auric soon

[tiny summit]

Oh I do as well. But like...what other dmg do you really need?

[junior needle]

Think it needs some additional stats for that on the tree

[tiny summit]

If you have PC4 it may have to be a 3 tap.

[wary sluice]

Good blessings for Accatran MKII?

[remote nebula]

I wish I did, I've dumped so much plasteel just to get PC3..

and still don't have ANY thrust for my fucking thunder hammers

I've spent like 50k plasteel chasing that one blessing

[steep vault]

my first power sword had PC4

[remote nebula]

lucky..

[tiny summit]

Yea. First ps6 I upgraded to hunt for PC4 had PC4 and Sunder

[steep vault]

was a bad decision tho considering I had it on a 326 weapon

didn't know what was good and what wasn't

[flint garden]

how tf

[steep vault]

ripped it off and still looking for a good sword for it

[loud zenith]

What mod do you have on, the one that describes the debuffs on the blessings? That's interesting for me.

[remote nebula]

power cycler 4, but half the blade's missing from wear xD or something

[remote nebula]

ooh gimme a sec! I'll fetch the name

[sharp ember]

dumdum, headhunter for maximum dps

[remote nebula]

En Localization Fix, it's in 4 parts, curios, blessings, talents and traits

[steep vault]

depends on the folks tho ngl

[tiny summit]

Friend said "fuck you" when I showed him this first PS6

[sharp ember]

i should warn you that acccatran recons fall off hard at higher difficulties

[wary sluice]

disregard that, i meant to complain in general chat, not vet chat lol

[sharp ember]

well, it falls off at damnation+ anyway

[steep vault]

alr ig

[steep vault]

by the emperor

[wary sluice]

ah ok thank you, what about the perks? im seeing Flak% and Unarmoured % or crit chance % on reddit

[tiny summit]

I don't even use it

[steep vault]

is MKII for Accatran even good?

never heard people talking about it

[tranquil bronze]

I want my hellgun

[finite imp]

Just got into a damnation game with 2 nade launching ogryns

It's like having artillery

[steep vault]

it's always VIIa or VId

[steep vault]

sorry

[tranquil bronze]

Or maybe Hotshot Marskman Rifle

[wary sluice]

What would you suggest then? I like the Accatran a lot for both aesthetic reasons, and the nice full auto horde clear with head pops. But i usually only play heresy or malice on my vet. I save Damnation for my god tier rng rolled tank Ogryn

[steep vault]

scab gunners only

[sharp ember]

flak + maniac are your safest options, crit chance isn’t good anymore because Shocktrooper talent got nerfed and the headhunter blessing is gonna carry your crit rate anyway

[tiny summit]

The 2 has the lowest raw dps. All of them are underwhelming atm though. I think it's just ammo economy the 2 has

[sharp ember]

infantry autoguns fulfill a very similar role while boasting much higher damage and ammo output, only drawback is having to control recoil

[remote nebula]

give me an unheresied version of that enemy gunner weapon and let me fill every corridor with lead or las

[loud zenith]

lmfao I love that these require that I also download a mod called "What the localization" 😆

[remote nebula]

oh yeah that too xD so technically 5 parts

[wary sluice]

I like the MKII and whatever MK the heavy Accatran is. I don't like the light one as much because i feel like I waste ammo on accident with it. Usually dumping 3-4 rounds into a dead enemy before my trigger finger catches up to my brain

[tiny summit]

The laspistol? Yea the "heavy" heavy laspistol can be nice

[steep vault]

I think I put 300k plasteel into trying to get the perfect Lucius II now

still not there yet

[wary sluice]

I just can't get into the autogun. I've tried every version of it, and despite knowing its "better" i dont have fun when using it, because it makes the game feel less 40k to me, if that makes sense

[steep vault]

all of them got bricked in the end :P

[wary sluice]

oh nah the heavy lasgun smg thing, i havent tried the laspistol yet

[steep vault]

it's either that or it's not 380

[sharp ember]

this is true, the mk2 has decent armor damage, but using the Onslaught talent with the faster firing mk6 will yield much faster kill times and remove the mk6’s bad armor damage modifiers

[junior needle]

2 has the lowest overall dps to every armor type

6d has the highest built dps

[tiny summit]

These are my helbore mk2s atm

[sharp ember]

Fair enough, I’m never going to rag someone for using a recon unless it’s an auric damnation

[sharp ember]

yea just in a weird ammo conservation comparison in a world where Onslaught doesn’t exist

[serene sage]

to be fair

[tiny summit]

Much more worth looking out for 80 dmg, ~70 stopping power, ~60+ charge rate than rating

[junior needle]

I strongly recommend avoiding all the recons as they do comparatively abysmal dps and have poor ammo efficiency currently. 2 is the worst one by far dps wise. 6 is the most workable but still not good.

To give you an idea of the damage disparity, here's a gray ciag vs a built 6d with + maniacs.

If you absolutely cannot be dissuaded, then 5% crit and either flak/maniac for perks, and headhunter and either infernus or dumdum (it's bugged to be much better than it looks). Infernus is more damage to bosses and harder targets, dumdum is more damage to softer targets and you can choose whichever you like.

[serene sage]

for a gun with the word Reconnaissance in the name, it shouldn't be faulted to harshly for not doing damage

it's mean for you to rp

you take the gun, you take stealth, you move forward

you ping enemies and you move back

you don't shoot

you don't kill

you are the ultimate spy

the enemies won't see you, your teammates won't

[tiny summit]

Spying with a spray of laser piss, giving a lightshow

[serene sage]

must act as if you are not in the game, which you aren't, if you are using recon

best desgined gun yet

[torn gorge]

dont forget full grenade package with smokes

[serene sage]

so true

[torn gorge]

so teammates will literally not be able to see you

[serene sage]

#reconlivesmatter

[dawn garnet]

hey can someone do me a favor? I need screencaps of your melks' store and your true level if possible

[serene sage]

it's not griefing the team, it's playing the game your way
be creative

[tiny summit]

Take all grenade talents with smokes

[finite imp]

Nice try glowie. Not today

[viral nacelle]

Yer an achylslugger Harry!

[serene bough]

twin smokes optimal

[finite imp]

next youll ask for my W-2

[dawn garnet]

pls I have a theory about the store leveling its inventory with your hidden level

[viral nacelle]

I wish we could have an underbarrel AGL with HE-FRAG

Special attack obliterates a room from a football field away

[serene sage]

weird request but okay
my level is probabaly 450 something last I checked
dont have the mods, teammates do and they told me

[torn gorge]

just give us nade launcher really

[viral nacelle]

Like come on give us the good shit not “muh stand skill keystone” and “reeee of power”

[sharp ember]

the laspistols are actually pretty awesome and love getting crits and headshots, but you may want an autofire macro or mod for the faster mark

[viral nacelle]

I want a noob tube and I want it stat

All the fun guns went to ogryn 😢

[torn gorge]

drum fed GL better

[serene sage]

I was about to say, sounds like you want Ogryns

[dawn garnet]

can you get me the two next items from the store i usually average 5 of them

[torn gorge]

imagine all the explosions

[viral nacelle]

Next up I want a recoilless rifle. Parry this you fucking crusher!

[serene sage]

the last one is a curio

[viral nacelle]

Two man team out here obliterating the ying yang twins

[sharp ember]

i could go for a double barrel shotgun

mini kickback

[dawn garnet]

did you buy stuff from it? you should have better stuff

[viral nacelle]

“This is my boomstick!”

[serene sage]

it's RNG fam, I bought some for level blessings, like most people

never noticed Melk store being any better in my playtime (once I hit 30)

[viral nacelle]

Melkbucks only good for picking up t4

He got wacky combos of stats and blessings

I cri errytime

[dawn garnet]

yeah i know its rng but ive never gotten anything with two t4 blessings

[serene sage]

also if you're trying to prove a hypothesis, you shouldn't pick data based on "wait you should have better stuff"
that's circular reasoning

[viral nacelle]

Gotta slip hardon some lube

[serene sage]

oh trust me, me neither, it's very rare, if ever

[viral nacelle]

She won’t do nothing if you don’t

[dawn garnet]

did you buy stuff from it this roll?

[serene sage]

what do you mean?

[dawn garnet]

like today

[serene sage]

that's my Melk shop right now, refresh in 3 hours

no

im not playing rn, it's from the armoury exchange addon

[dawn garnet]

ah yeah i checked 4 chars so far and usually the higher the level the better the stuff even above 30

so far yours is the only outlier

[raw steppe]

this is just confirmation bias

[serene sage]

well I promise im not spending time making shit up to confuse you it is Melk and not Brunt, I made sure

[raw steppe]

i'll tell you right now that the gear is shit regardless

[dawn garnet]

ye i didnt say you did

[raw steppe]

even with 200+

[glacial yacht]

what do we think of the new revolver skin ads?

[serene sage]

well, my level 45 orgyns have slightly better base stats I guess

[dawn garnet]

yeah i know if i dont get something great by the end of the month im dropping the game the rng stuff is too much

[raw steppe]

then drop the game right now lol

you're not supposed to rely on

the daily store

to get your gear

[dawn garnet]

yeah

[raw steppe]

the gear progression is mainly from consecrating base gear that you buy

[serene sage]

if you're counting on Melk then yeah, not great odds
it's mostly just Brunt gambling and Hadron grind if you want good stuff

[raw steppe]

yep

[dawn garnet]

i wasted 7k diamantium and only got one blessing i needed

[raw steppe]

if you want to just count on melks, then I recommend you just drop the game right now

and play something else

[serene sage]

what are you trying to build anyway

Power Cycler 4?

[dawn garnet]

void staff

[wind patio]

Oof

[serene sage]

oh, well, good luck, idek what goes on the damn thing

[wind patio]

Staves are a pain to build for

[serene sage]

i know Warp Nexus/Flurry good on Surge and that's about it

[dawn garnet]

psykers are so expensive man theres only like one good blessing combo

[sharp ember]

wonder when our witch pals are gonna get new staves

[serene sage]

I mean admittedly I don't play Psykers much but like the little amount of Gunker I play

[raw steppe]

ok this is straight up untrue lmao

[serene sage]

you just need columnus and a decent melee

[iron marten]

Think you want surge on voidstrike?

[sharp ember]

i liked that sienna staff that charged up and threw a high damage javelin

[serene sage]

Columnus is so OP you want Dum Dum and that's about it

[raw steppe]

you can do surge + nexus or transfer + flurry, a lot of people also do surge + flurry as well

[dawn garnet]

all the good builds only do surge and nexus

[raw steppe]

also, for stuff like purg and surge staff, there is only 1 good combination. but those staves have 4 blessings total. so you have like a 80% chance to roll a good weapon

since it's a 2/4 roll each time

[iron marten]

I rely on true aim for surge if I use voidstrike

[raw steppe]

yes, you can do that lol

some ppl use surge + flurry

[iron marten]

The transfer peril is quite nice

[serene bough]

what do we think vet chat

[serene sage]

what do you want on trauma?

[raw steppe]

trauma has 2 popular builds

[iron marten]

Though, I’m mainly a laspistol and ds4 psyker

[serene sage]

easy ball, no?

[raw steppe]

the tryhard fire trauma build for insane deeps, this one can easily hit 1 mil

and the more chill rending trauma

which is more supportive

[serene sage]

I want the wildfire (warpfire?) trauma build

[serene bough]

ive never used trickshooter

how do i build this

replace perks or 1 perk 1 blessing

[serene sage]

uhhh Deadshot???

[raw steppe]

fire trauma = crit chance/flak + blazing/nexus

[serene sage]

[raw steppe]

and you want to try to stay at 70-90 heat

[remote nebula]

I'm insane and I do a mix of both on my trauma, soulblaze and rending xD

[frank basin]

Psyker chat in veteran chat?

[raw steppe]

tldr the way it works is that trauma damage goes down as you go away from the epicenter

but fire trauma dodges this

[serene sage]

do I want BB Shriek and Warp Charge?

[remote nebula]

rending also works on the entire radius, it's so good

[serene sage]

I'm assuming that's how you build it?

[raw steppe]

because ALL enemies in the entire radius get full stacks

[raw steppe]

I recommend you search it in #psyker-class

cuz different ppl will build it different

i played it for a bit and stopped

cuz it was too much apm

my fingers hurt lmao

[serene sage]

really?

[raw steppe]

ye you need to tryhard to hit 1 mil scoreboards

[serene sage]

it's just trauma surely it can't be that bad

you charge you slam

[iron marten]

Well, I don’t need to hit 1mil dmg, I just want to win lol

[serene sage]

yeah but winning with style

is also important

[iron marten]

Carrying is nice, but I haven’t the patience to do it constantly

[raw steppe]

the main annoying this is

that with rending trauma, you can vent freely

but with fire trauma you kinda have to quell cancel

to play optimally

i'm lazy

so I like to vent all the way down to 0 lmao

[serene sage]

what's quell canceling?

like mini quells?

[raw steppe]

ye mini quells between each cast to drop yourself to 90%

[serene sage]

you quell a little to keep peril high but not blowing up territory?

[raw steppe]

then cast to go up to 100%

[serene sage]

yeah

[raw steppe]

it lets you maintain 20% damage and 20% crit uptime

which is necessary to keep your dmg up

too mechanical for me

[glacial yacht]

theres literally a psyker class discussion board

[sharp ember]

i’m sure trickshooter functions properly now, but you might only feel the bonus damage when dumping a monster and nothing else. I would either
A) change both perks
B) switch off trickshooter to surgical or crucian and one perk

[iron marten]

Most insane player I’ve met did that, and had a knife too

Knife + Trauma psykers are the best players I’ve ever seen

[serene sage]

you aren't around here much, are you

[raw steppe]

trickshooter is very meh against everything except bosses

[tranquil bronze]

No wonder this Damnation mission was tough

[raw steppe]

if you want a generic use fanvolver, I recommend crucian + HC

if you want a dedicated bossing fanvolver, then roll it to crucian + trickshoot

I would suggest the former

[sharp ember]

now that’s an idea

[raw steppe]

ye i think you can oneclip a boss

with executioner bossing fanvolver

but it's gonna be complete ass anywhere else lmao

generic use fanvolver is actually pretty good on vet

[serene bough]

thats what i figured

[raw steppe]

you can solve all of the weapons issues with 30% wkspt dmg, supp immunity, deadshot, 15% elite dmg and 20% ogryn dmg

[serene bough]

does this gun have ADS

[raw steppe]

and the reload speed on elite kill talent

[sharp ember]

no, it has super fire rate, it’s still accurate to brace though

[tranquil bronze]

Haymaker on combat blade any good?

[raw steppe]

i haven't found a haymaker4 to test yet

but i would test it on a 6 and see

not 100% sure

[sharp ember]

i messed with it on the new knife, it’s alright but not amazing

[raw steppe]

check the attack patterns and how haymaker affects cleave when it procs

[sharp ember]

if there wasn’t a third strikedown heavy it’d be a lot better

[tranquil bronze]

What I have for this. Hadron was uncharactestically nice to me.

[sharp ember]

but right now it doesn’t reliably beat mercykiller knives or anything

[raw steppe]

too bad you already changed a perk lol

[tranquil bronze]

Other perk was bad

[raw steppe]

you can try riposte to uncanny; but I personally think mercy killer + uncanny is the way to go on vet

since you can guarantee mercy killer uptime

[sharp ember]

Mercy Killer + Riposte might not be half bad on that knife

[unreal bone]

This axe any good?

[sharp ember]

6s is pretty generous

[unreal bone]

I've had it sitting in my inventory forever

I wanna use an axe now.

[tranquil bronze]

Swap the sprint and limbsplitter

[unreal bone]

for what?

[sharp ember]

good roll, headtaker and unarmored are good

[tranquil bronze]

Flak or carapace IIRC

[sharp ember]

tac axes themselves are probably the most underwhelming vet melee right now though

[tranquil bronze]

Limbsplitter is better on a caxe

[glacial yacht]

limb for brutal momentum

i love the mk 2 tac axe its very good

[tranquil bronze]

Limb on caxe comes in handy when facing Crushers

[agile forge]

Little question, is the best automatic fire weapon these days is the Columnus Infantry Autogun, and what should that gun look like in terms of priority stats, perks and blessings? Want somethign to mix up my plasma and give me an excuse to do some krak

[unreal bone]

I feel like a tactical axe would be very fitting on the shocktrooper outfit I got

Can't wait for this outfit.

[glacial yacht]

limb splitter sucks it doesnt keep procing until you literally stop attacking for 4 seconds

[terse idol]

The rashad axe will fill that niche and be better
But try em

[raw steppe]

Perks&Blessings = Flak/Maniac/DumDum, Talents = Deadshot

are the main important ones

[muted knot]

Flak/maniac dum dum and whatever in second blessing slot

[sharp ember]

yes, prioritize Flak + Maniac perks, and Dumdum blessing. Your second blessing basically doesn’t matter

[tranquil bronze]

I love this axe. Limb4 has saved me several times when facing Crushers and Maulers.

I hate maulers

[agile forge]

I presume I need a +3 stam curio? Never done a Deadshot build

I'm currently a plasma power sword clone lol

[sharp ember]

don’t really need deadshot if you don’t like it

[raw steppe]

you can run the stam curio if you want

I personally don't run it

[agile forge]

I only use one on psyker atm for the endless block memes

[raw steppe]

deadshot essentially doubles your dps, but you need to play with stamina

[agile forge]

I'd like to try it out, I only haven't used it because I've not touched much veteran until today since the trees rework

[raw steppe]

I can share with you my setup if you want to see

an example

[agile forge]

I was getting too fixated on getting PC4

[raw steppe]

obviously you can tweak it if you want

[agile forge]

but in the end made a killer PC3 power sword VI

That'd be awesome

I'll save it and use it as a starting point at least :)

[serene bough]

that builds surgical?

[serene sage]

Wait can psyker block overhead?

[sharp ember]

yea, but max fire rate may possibly be faster than getting 1 stack,

[junior needle]

But can you solve the dogshit accuracy

[serene bough]

hmmm

[junior needle]

I used it on my zealot and holy

It was like gambling if even 1 of my shots would land while fanning at midrange

[raw steppe]

I'd aim for high dmg, stability stopping power on the gun

[barren wharf]

what blessings for this?

[agile forge]

You run shredders with it? Is it good at anti-carapace or do you have an anti-carapace melee?

[junior needle]

You can hit bruiser breakpoints without headtaker or unarmored perk? Very surprised

[muted knot]

Take a swing/uncanny don't mind me throught it's old shovel

[sharp ember]

surgical still useful if you pace your shots but crucian is better if you constantly magdump

[tranquil bronze]

Rashad is that good imo

[raw steppe]

you can take onslaught if you want to shoot carapace

I just found onslaught too expensive cuz it's 4 points

so I melee crushers and grenade them

[terse idol]

Depends which revolver

[junior needle]

You definitely can't do that without some melee damage in your tree

[terse idol]

Cruccian is always good on the agrinapinna

[serene sage]

I don't think it's "good" against Carapace but more so tolerable to use against Carapace
Good enough to take Frag though imo

[terse idol]

But surgical is consistently good on the other

[sharp ember]

fan fire revolver was the topic

[terse idol]

Ohh

[serene sage]

Between the gun, frag nade, and melee you can kill Carapace in a pinch

[terse idol]

I wouldn't do surgical on the fan

Imo

[raw steppe]

ye shredders are really good, especially with the trifecta

grenade regen, grenade on elite kill and grenade aoe/dmg

[terse idol]

If youre pacing your shots you may as well play the other one

[tranquil bronze]

At least get the +10% melee damage in the tree

[terse idol]

Least that's how I see it

Maybe there is some merit to surgical

[junior needle]

But that's 2 extra points

[sudden dome]

just get the 25% damage on swap and use a plasma or something to constantly have 25% damage

then ignore all other damage boosts

the fan revolver has enough that if you go weapon spec you can just randomly shoot every 5 seconds and keep up ammo wise

[muted knot]

That what I do with the better revolver

[tranquil bronze]

Even with the slightly less decent finesse, this thing gets the job done.

[sudden dome]

whenever I use an infantry las gun I feel like I could be doing way more dps by just swinging my sword and the damage isnt even fast enough to justify taking it for dedicated rager killing. Might as well go helbore if youre just using it for snipers/gunners since the charge time will be the time to swing to something else

[tranquil bronze]

Depends on which Infantry las. The XII is fantastic as I think it has the highest dps of all the three variants.

[terse idol]

I mean all I can say is, yeah I mean if your sword is a pgun like

I mean sorry psword

Yeah it'll be stronge

The lasgun let's you delete most big shooter rooms

[spark helm]

If you're really needing the extra dps you can just drop the infantry. Damage isn't too bad really with the crazy aim. Annoying sometimes though

[terse idol]

All shooters dead

[spark helm]

But for what the infantry las is really good for killing, I'd rather use that over hellbpre

[terse idol]

Psword you can't run at a wall of shooters without instantly dying or losing alot of health or putting yourself in a bad position

[sudden dome]

I was testing greys and the graia braced and the caig jsut stood out from everything else, while the plasma and zvolver had pretty dedicated roles. Psword is just really good yea and the old chainsword and rashad arent bad either

but if its a room of shooters graia will jsut make them not shoot until Im close

which is pretty great

[terse idol]

Well the caig is just close to mid range, can't hit as well as a lasgun

In far range

[sudden dome]

it just cant be used against snipers

which is why i dont use it anymore

[serene bough]

infantry las definitely have higher mag capacity and firing uptime

[tiny summit]

The fuck? The Ia's fire rate definitely overtakes the XII now.

[terse idol]

I mean if you're comparing the most OP weapons in the game to a reasonable but

I don't know what to tell you betcher

[sudden dome]

its got around the same damage per mag it just takes longer for it to come out and you cant really hipfire it because its so inaccurate which it cant afford because its dps is already bad. ciag and graia can hip fire because they do 3k+ dps

[terse idol]

Lasgun is a serviceable weapon

Its just not completely broken

[serene bough]

you can reliably hipfire the mg4

[terse idol]

You can still beat auric damns

[sudden dome]

lasers in general are just worse than bullet guns

[terse idol]

You do more damage than recon

Good enough

[tiny summit]

People having overtuned weapons warps their minds to see anything less as trash

[terse idol]

Yeah

I don't blame ya

Ciag is that crazy

[serene bough]

MG12 has lowest dps but hits breakpoints reliably

[terse idol]

MG12 and the MgIa

[serene bough]

mg1a is better if you can tune it towards 1hkos, whereas mg4 is better for sustained fire

[terse idol]

Are 30-40 damage difference

The mg1a will be able to meet the breakpoints the 12 has

And has higher fire rate

Its strictly better

Like strayed you're partially right but dps the mxii doesn't win

Its been power crept

[tiny summit]

Nothing bad happened to the XII. Ia and MG4 just closed the gap more

[terse idol]

Yeah

Still usable, I use it cause I like the lower firerate

[tranquil bronze]

Well I guess I better get to work in getting this from Melk

[tiny summit]

Infantry Lasguns are the general easy to use gun to shoot chaff with and good ammo economy. Helbores have a lil bit of skill to use (but it's a horde shooter, I don't wanna inflate egos) and charge to make use of

[terse idol]

Hmm its a hard sell, but go for it

You're looking to roll 1 good blessing

[tranquil bronze]

Or swap it out

[terse idol]

Well you need to swap out deadly accurate for deadly accurate 4

[tiny summit]

Yea. Youre gambling on that last Hadron pull

[terse idol]

And headhunter

You have very little room

[untold mulch]

It really feels like it isn't it?

[tiny summit]

Feel like I should get in the habit of rapid firing my helbores more. They can reliably 1 tap shooters and stalkers

[terse idol]

(COUGH)
I should say you're looking to keep maniacs, swap 1 perk for flak and 1 blessing, ya neeed headhunter

To help enable deadly accurate

[tiny summit]

But also I'm taking time to line up a shot. So not much reason to not charge

[sudden dome]

its factual, in terms of dps all the bullet guns are better than their laser counter parts and lasers still have recoil so whats the upside? Ammo efficency? Im a vet I literally cant spend all my ammo who cares

[terse idol]

I mean

Little recoil

All autoguns have a good kick

To be faiir

[untold mulch]

Idk if to say little recoil as a pro to lasguns, when autogun recoil feels easy to control

that or I am used with worse recoil patterns

[sudden dome]

autogun is easy to control, braced doesnt care because youre aiming for chests

[terse idol]

I mean this is why lasguns are better for continuous headshots imo but eh

[tiny summit]

It's more so how they play out in the whole economy in the game. Lasguns don't kick a lot and have incredible ammo efficiency and reverse dmg fall off. IAGs are gonna shine in raw dps and spraying. Most of the lasguns don't hurt at all ignorantly firing at every enemy except recon

[sudden dome]

headhunters have easy to control recoil, but laser guns feel like they kick above your head every time you shoot them

pretty sure its just the animation though

[untold mulch]

ANimation feels overexaggerated

[sudden dome]

well its a fact that sounds and animations affect how people play with them and I feel like infantry laser guns are uncontrollable low dps nightmares

[tiny summit]

Nah

[sudden dome]

I also hate sights so me hipfiring everything probably doesnt help

[tiny summit]

Lasguns are piss easy. IAGs definitely have their fire rate to compensate for the missed shots

[terse idol]

I mean

This is why you just one tap alot

[untold mulch]

Hipfire is just eh, only Recon had a good hipfire

[terse idol]

Like, I dunno

You can hipfire lasguns too

Not ideal

[untold mulch]

I think I have hipfired even with Headhunters

But Infantry lasguns hipfire feels different

[tiny summit]

Like you aim at heads and tap. Most of the chaff are dropping in 1 las shot

[terse idol]

Don't want to shoot at close range but it's fun

[untold mulch]

More like waste of time unless is in your face

[sudden dome]

every time I use a las gun I miss headshots at like 5 meters despite the crosshair being on the head, and Im pretty sure its because theyer worse are moving hipfire

then i bring out the graia braced and roll through things and make gunners cry

honestly I sometimes bring it on zealot just for the anti gunner uses

I mostly melee on zealot anyway

[untold mulch]

Hell I was with Agri normal auto and even hipfire was viable at mid distance

I don't feel that even with MGIV

[terse idol]

Uhh

I've never had that

[sudden dome]

I have it on everything but recons and laspistols

[terse idol]

I've held exec stance on most shooters in damantions for solid 40 seconds or more

[tiny summit]

Because it's an automatic with high fire rate. You're also probably missing more shots than it would've taken to just aim and tap their head once

[terse idol]

That's really weird

[sudden dome]

recons have no damage and las pistols revolve your whole build around them

[terse idol]

Yeah

[untold mulch]

Exec Stance increases your hipfire though

It was for Smudgels

[untold mulch]

^^

[terse idol]

Oh

I dunno what to say, I've never had these problems

[untold mulch]

Is more noticiable with bullets but Exec Stance makes the cone of fire narrower

[sudden dome]

ah I might have to try with with exec, I just use shout for everything because it turns the game into easy mode

[terse idol]

I mean whenever I run exe stance I use marksmens focus with lasgun

Pretty satisfying

Clear a room of shooters

[untold mulch]

Also Zealots with their 0 spread after dodge or smth talent

[terse idol]

Take little damage back

[untold mulch]

Gib Zealots

I need it

[tiny summit]

I still sometimes forget to take determined with the infantry lasguns when I wanna mix it up from helbores.

[sudden dome]

-75% spread -50% recoil

[tiny summit]

I'll hit those gunner heads eventually

[untold mulch]

So that with Exec Stance, hipfire is a lot better

But without it, firing Infantry lasguns feels like you are a SW Stormtrooper

[terse idol]

Hmm thats fair

I just kinda realise that lasgun suffers so hard at close range so I just whip out the shobel

[sudden dome]

the run and gun blessing on laspistols is fun

even if its not optimal

[untold mulch]

If only we got that

[sudden dome]

dodge ragers point blank with headhunters

that actually sounds like a good time I need to rolla good headhunter for that

[untold mulch]

Anyways for close hipfire, laspistol works

And Recon should if Fatshark gave a fuck

But they clearly don't sooo

[sudden dome]

do zealots get recon? that might actually be worth it, laser focus no spread recons dodging in combat

[tiny summit]

No

[terse idol]

No spread no matter

Recon has no damage

[tiny summit]

Psykers get them and gunker still doesn't work with them

[untold mulch]

It already good enough in spread

[terse idol]

You might as well run recon on psyker

[sudden dome]

Accatran Mk II seems to be the best of them

[terse idol]

To get a brain burst on 10%

[untold mulch]

Recon problem is that damage is shit for its ammo

[terse idol]

Because you can gurantee the BB will happen because the damage is so low

[untold mulch]

So you got an ammo hungry gun, that doesn't kill

Literally worst combo

If at least had a shit ton of ammo

[sudden dome]

maybe next time people wont get an infinite ammo build for it that forces fatfish to nerf it into oblivion until they figure out what to do with it

[tiny summit]

I'll say...infernus actually kinda works because it's so low dmg you can leave the burn to finish off the enemy to save ammo

But that's also hard to gauge while mag dumping it

[untold mulch]

Maybe next time Fatshark won't panic nerf like is their first game

[terse idol]

The infinite ammo wasn't an issue because they did put a cool down on that talent
The issue is FS killed the crit chains on recons

[sudden dome]

yea I saw a scriers build with that, they basically just shot everything a bunch of times and dodged around until they died

[unreal bone]

Please give me a serious answer here which of the recon lasguns is the best mark?

[terse idol]

The fast firing one

[sudden dome]

it looks like 2 because it gets a damage buff in exchange for a mobility nerf

[unreal bone]

They all fast fire, the fastest one?

[tiny summit]

They killed the recons dmg modifiers for armor types and range and shock trooper change. Literally just blowed it kneecaps

[terse idol]

The fastest firing one

Forgor which one

[untold mulch]

VId

VId has best dps but you will eat ammo

II is just sad

[tiny summit]

6d or 7a

[untold mulch]

VIIa is just ehhh

[sudden dome]

the vid is also the lowest damage multipliers

[unreal bone]

I'm assuming you can mitigate the ammo loss with shocktrooper and scav right?

[tiny summit]

It just pisses ammo out the fastest

[untold mulch]

It interaction with Shocktrooper got nerfed

[tranquil bronze]

So I guess I should start investing in autoguns?

[untold mulch]

Pretty much

[vernal harbor]

Yes

[untold mulch]

Lasguns just kinda got forgotten, ignoring Lucius

that Lucius definitely has a fanboy in the design team

[tiny summit]

Laspistols are good

[sudden dome]

use graia infantry auto gun, ignore the ciag hype be a graia loyalist

[vernal harbor]

Lasgun, it breaks my heart to say, is nothing compared to the great dakka dakka

[untold mulch]

TRUE, forgot

[frank ether]

ilas is kinda okay

it works at least

[untold mulch]

laspisto with crit and shocktrooper

gets you silly ammo and damage

[frank ether]

well mg1a works

[vernal harbor]

Las pistol still goated tho

[tiny summit]

Mk2 Laspistol is a better recon

[untold mulch]

💯

[frank ether]

always has been

except that one patch

where recon was actually good

[untold mulch]

Couldn't allow wthat

[tiny summit]

Pour one out. It lived for like what? 2 weeks?

[untold mulch]

21 GLORIOUS DAYS

[terse idol]

I will say invest into recon stonks now

[vernal harbor]

Recon was so fun for about maybe a week and then I was so sick and tired of the laser pointer gameplay

[terse idol]

Soooooon

[tiny summit]

I believe in the copium

Recon will rise!

[vernal harbor]

Genuinely confused on what the fuck they want us to do with it, if that was not the intended use lmao

[untold mulch]

It is the 41st millenium
Recon has been nerfed to 30/30/60 damage
It eats 3 ammo per shot (4 for the VIIa)

[tranquil bronze]

I got this one so far

[serene bough]

only to be put back on its leash and be led to the trash where it belongs

[tiny summit]

They have to see CIAG vs Recon and either someone hates Recon or they are cooking something

[untold mulch]

The answer by the updates for an entire year?

They have no fucking clue

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/psycho-pain-sad-christian-bale-sharp-gif-5334696

[terse idol]

Maybe recon is like Jesus
For the hellgun release

It got nerfed so that hellgun could rule

[untold mulch]

It pays for our sins 🙏

[terse idol]

[untold mulch]

I've been preaching that for months

Recon takes the nerfs for us

[tiny summit]

Recon is the tease for what the rest of the weapons are gonna get

[vernal harbor]

Funny it’s called recon too because it’s the least reconnaissance weapon among the lasguns

Loud as shit and a whole 2x4

[tiny summit]

Be trash and the talk of wishing for better like recons or be ignored and no one even talks about shredders

[terse idol]

Its uh fast or something

[vernal harbor]

Shredders

I don’t think I even seen one

Never used it and never seen it used

[tiny summit]

Used it for like 3 missions leveling

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/blaze-uzi-gun-firing-shooting-gif-10352296

[wary galleon]

👀

[tiny summit]

Because it was a mission reward

[untold mulch]

Shredders are my main oh shit

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/machine-gun-predator-gif-18791345

[untold mulch]

Throw at feet with underthrow

Get space

[tiny summit]

Shredder pistol

[untold mulch]

Oh

[sudden dome]

its like steiner scout squads, cant really be called a scout if you alert everyone but no one can tell anyone if theyre all dead

which recons unfortunatly no longer can do

[terse idol]

Iirc like a scout space marine Cyrus used it in dow2

[untold mulch]

Recon is a lasgun

When in a SM novel

[tiny summit]

Is there a concentrated beam weapon in 40k?

[untold mulch]

Volkite?

[tiny summit]

Like consistent shooting like Quake lightning gun

[untold mulch]

Necron Gauss Flayers maybe?

[wary galleon]

braced autogun pilled is the path

[sudden dome]

https://youtu.be/73zK-PjmyKY?si=_r9v0Aa5n-d5R9eY

[vernal harbor]

Was the recon

[tiny summit]

Nah but like just 1 single beam

[untold mulch]

Volkite I am mostly sure was a continous beam

[junior needle]

When are the sounds getting fixed

[wary galleon]

was ist volkite

[terse idol]

The enemy atlas sipping wine in his cockpit before getting killed instantly by a trashcan with legs and an ac20

[junior needle]

I just lost a game to an instant dog pounce from behind me, no call out, no sounds effects that it was there

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/battletech-urbanmech-mechwarrior-urbie-gif-22274424

[tiny summit]

Next patch or 2 months.

My guess

[wary galleon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/579205145863127050/1188138117450969208/Gtyour_f6ddafdc506a0c2eac69a9819d603aa7.gif?ex=65996ed9&is=6586f9d9&hm=720c14505d9d98fd9acaaa4db63eb4f98c15abce047745ec70d3332bc8cac4e6&

[untold mulch]

Audio gets so fucked

[junior needle]

Tired of the absolute bullshit

I was this close to clutching a game

With all my teammates dead

And the silent dog pouncing me with no warning

[wary galleon]

ngl that new vet cosmetics is banging for once

[junior needle]

Loses me this game

[untold mulch]

Stealth dog

[vernal harbor]

20 seconds of this swapping from 10 locations

[tiny summit]

Seen a game end because push didnt. We all saw the guy, he pushed the dog point blank. Dog didn't care. Pounced

[civic knot]

Ive head that the new chainaxe is servicable against hordes. Do you want slaughterer/headtaker for it when running bloodletter or can you just run thunderous?

[vernal harbor]

I was JUST about to ask who has that

Been wanting it forever and never saved it lmao

[vernal harbor]

Shit makes me so MAD

[untold mulch]

Just had that with a poxburster

Pushed NOTHING

[wary galleon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1194654138420703252/zealot_maximumsploinky.gif?ex=65b1235e&is=659eae5e&hm=036c182120fa0ae577018f982168f7c4266586ac20b5cd5974f93cc6566d435e&

pox burster be like

[vernal harbor]

Christ

[umbral scaffold]

Saved

[untold mulch]

Also I am sure

[civic knot]

Question: For the new chainaxe, do you want slaughterer/headtaker for it when running bloodletter or can you just run thunderous?

[untold mulch]

they are spawning around corners

[umbral scaffold]

Womp Womp

But hey

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-general-grievous-collection-gif-11405056

[umbral scaffold]

Helbore main

I respect

🤝

[junior needle]

I'm livid, I deserved this one

[sharp ember]

thunderous secures 1 heavy rev crusher kill with bloodletter

[untold mulch]

BUDGETSORORITAS

[umbral scaffold]

New cosmetics for vet are awesome

The rest seem a bit meh

[civic knot]

is that worth it tho if you are running weapon spec keystone?

idk

[umbral scaffold]

Still waiting on my Helbore premium skin

[tiny summit]

Imo. Your horde clear suffers greatly without slaughterer/headtaker

[sharp ember]

you can fight trash well enough without a power blessing if you’re dead ‘ard enuff

[umbral scaffold]

PLEASE FATSHARK If you’re listening I would pay over 2000marks for a Helbore skin

I’m not kidding

[tiny summit]

Feel more like swatting and delaying the horde more than clearing

[umbral scaffold]

I would pay PREMIUM for that nice ass Helbore skin

[civic knot]

weapon customization mod

[umbral scaffold]

Ew no

[civic knot]

oh yes

[umbral scaffold]

Makes the gun look bad

[frank ether]

something like that

[civic knot]

nope

[frank ether]

but hey you can't say it was never good

[umbral scaffold]

It does sorry bud

[civic knot]

you can make it look super good easily

[tiny summit]

Gonna download and create an absolute abomination of a helbore

[umbral scaffold]

Lol 😂

[civic knot]

thats your choice, i usually dont make my guns into abominations xD

i make em look cooler

[sharp ember]

I like it as a heavy-duty big man killer but power blessings are perfectly valid if you want the bump up against hordes and small elites

[frank ether]

tbh it would be such a fatshark move to go ahead and nerf it again over some fringe case where it performs ok

[untold mulch]

Weapon Customization ain't so bad

The absolute wtf my friend sent me a week ago

[frank ether]

''fixed an issue where VlD could hurt monstrosities''

[untold mulch]

"Fixed an issue where Recon line still existed"

[sharp ember]

a balanced chaxe build could be Thrust + a power blessing, to have a bit of both anti-horde and single-target damage

[frank ether]

I approve double power for chaxe

[sharp ember]

I think the OG chainaxe pairs well with that

[frank ether]

headtaker slaughterer is my go to atm

[civic knot]

thats just people that like to make abominable stuff. Just cause these wierd ugly combos exist doesnt mean you have to go out of your way to make an absolute abomination

[terse idol]

Most sane weapon customization weapon

[tiny summit]

Considering their balance passes are more focused on malice and below gameplay. I can see it

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-darktide-warhammer-40k-40k-warhammer-ogryn-gif-8440002666976363995

[civic knot]

Have you even used the mod?

[untold mulch]

I was mostly joking

He did it to piss me off

[terse idol]

Thank you

[terse idol]

No

I'm lazy

I'm still playing vanilla

[untold mulch]

I have some very nice weapon customization

And some silly ones

[civic knot]

this tbh

[wary galleon]

that aint so bad lol

[untold mulch]

Until he still uses the pistol animation

[civic knot]

not bloodletter?

instead of thrust?

[untold mulch]

But yeah is basically a pisto lto carbine conversion

[tiny summit]

Reminded me. Had a game where a zealot and ogryn were naked but their underwear and masks

[wary galleon]

ima try and cook up a more foul one

[wary galleon]

[civic knot]

Nudegryn

[untold mulch]

Zealot did it in a religious insight

And the Ogryn just joined the fun

[sharp ember]

oh yeah bloodletter perfectly good too, just thinking you could charge up the OG chainsaw heavies with thrust if the horde isn’t in range

[untold mulch]

for am oment I forgot the blessing

and was like

A bloodletter in DT since WHEN!?

[civic knot]

why do the OG heavies? are they even worth doing?

isnt special heavy better in every instance?

[tiny summit]

I can accept a lot of the weapon not causing bleed. No bleed on revved chain weapons though at default doesn't sit right with me

[sharp ember]

for horde clear i mean, the orginal chainaxe uses heavies

[civic knot]

im talking about the new one

[sharp ember]

but if using new chaxe use BL

[civic knot]

bl?

[sharp ember]

bloodletter

[civic knot]

ah

ok

[wary galleon]

barrel dosent even work

[neat stratus]

What is this monstrosity

[untold mulch]

DEAR EMPEROR

[untold mulch]

Tech Heresy

[wary galleon]

heres another

look at the barrel magasine

[untold mulch]

Gotta get that extended barrel

[wary galleon]

its all squashed

[untold mulch]

One does not need to aim

if barrel touching enemy

[untold mulch]

I hate that I like the first one for some reason

[neat stratus]

WHY ISNT HE TWO HANDING IT

[dark sorrel]

Manstopper on Agripinaa Shotty?

[untold mulch]

Believe in the Emperor

[wary galleon]

hes dosent wanna touch it more then he has to

Hahaha how the fuck

how did he manage that

gotta be the randomize feature fucking up

[untold mulch]

Other players is the randomzie feature going crazy

[wary galleon]

worst i saw was just the oversized ogryn shovels and such but this is beyond just odly placed models xD

i cast testicular torsion

[tiny summit]

Seeing zealots with psyker staff heads for their hammers and crushers

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003

Me in the muzzle flash radius

because he’s firing that fucking thing in a hallway

[wary galleon]

hes managed to warp in another dimensional weapon which is just a modded weapon from nexus mod website wich fires ogryn grenades instead

[sharp ember]

holy shit the double barrel is real

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/jackass-3d-couch-explosion-gif-25176966

[vernal harbor]

morrow just turning the vox off and saying we didn’t make it

[tranquil bronze]

This salvageable?

[untold mulch]

Jesus that went to shit fast

[near sable]

holy shit it's the infiltrator backshots 9000

[wary galleon]

pretty good albiet the raking fire i think is not desirable really

[tranquil bronze]

What should I replace it with?

[near sable]

it is 40% damage

[tranquil bronze]

I have Dumdum IV

[near sable]

could just slap dumdum on it

[vernal harbor]

all fun and games until shit gets esoteric

[tranquil bronze]

Can't remember when I got Dumdum IV, but it's there

[wary galleon]

hmm

[vernal harbor]

stand back he’s thinking

[tranquil bronze]

Omar, think faster. Don't be an Ogryn.

[near sable]

70% damage on backshots at max dumdum stacks

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/focus-black-kid-thinking-working-hmm-gif-16917353

[tranquil bronze]

So swap the Hit and Run instead?

[vernal harbor]

backshots 😳

you runnin that freak build

[near sable]

it might be me being greedy but yknow it also happens to fulfill having t4 perks and blessings

[tranquil bronze]

I don't run freak build

[wary galleon]

dumdum and fire frenzy

but depends on your playstyle

im just an idiot

[tranquil bronze]

I run VoC if that means anything

[wary galleon]

if your in their face properly good to take those, but at that point id just use a braced autogun

[tranquil bronze]

Decent find from the store

[near sable]

he's gonna clear

[wary galleon]

realizing that im wielding a powermaul condensed package here

jesus 1 heavy hit on full stack

[tranquil bronze]

Hadron, why are you suddenly nice to me?

[wary galleon]

👀

get that last blessing

see if rngesus is smiling on you

[tranquil bronze]

Just in case, I do have Deci III

@wary galleonI don't have Fire Frenzy sadly

[wary galleon]

Deathspitter is good too

[tranquil bronze]

So I leave the perks alone?

[wary galleon]

gives both damage, cleave and stagger

[wary galleon]

i would test it out, see if its worth it :>

havent tried the raking fire though so im not sure. but i dont see the backs of many enemies when i play vet

[tranquil bronze]

Yeah that's the thing, I rarely do see their backs

[terse idol]

groaners

Roll

Again would recommend rashad but

[tranquil bronze]

Definitely rolling that one, but the blessing Hadron granted...

[terse idol]

Do eet it up

[tranquil bronze]

I do have the Rashad

[terse idol]

What ya got

[tranquil bronze]

Have had it for a very long time, and never failed me

My best defense against crushers and maulers

[terse idol]

Swap, flak for unarmoured and you got a monster

[tranquil bronze]

Don't need flak eh? Got it.

[terse idol]

Although, limbsplitter ain't the best yeah thats pretty hood

Nope

Ideally you got headtaker and BM, but

It'll work

[tranquil bronze]

Honestly, limb is what enables me to fight crushers and maulers.

[terse idol]

Headtaker is soo much better imo

Or at least it's how you can find the 4 hit kill on crushers

3 hit kills on maulers

Or well

On multiple

[tranquil bronze]

Hmmm...

[orchid musk]

Not bad. I’d give it a shot.

[bleak cradle]

What is a good attack pattern for the rashad? I see there is a horizonal swing on L3 and then the push attack is a complete horizontal? L1-L3, push attack, repeat?

[wary galleon]

become braced auto pilled
become the deathmachine you were meant to be

[tranquil bronze]

Just encountered a player on Damnation, grabbed a grim and left the match

[umbral scaffold]

i might. just might be tripping but my w key just dont be working when im crouched or just randomly

works fine the the morning star

[tranquil bronze]

Hmmm

[umbral scaffold]

holddddd

[tranquil bronze]

Was honestly expecting worse

[tiny summit]

Had a psyker in my game. He popped and before the knees hit the ground they quit

[umbral scaffold]

mine has ranged crit dmg

the same blessings

[tiny summit]

Alt+F4 when succumbing to perils of the warp challenge

[umbral scaffold]

[peak badge]

Dream

[fossil basalt]

Not of what you are

But of what you want to be

Wait sorry wrong scifi series

[tiny summit]

I want recons to be good...

Also I miss using warframe Boltor

[fossil basalt]

Throne I'm just waiting for some kind of full auto lasgun that doesn't beg me to mod it into full auto that isn't just bad

Ah, ye olde "nail your foes to walls"

It's the proper solution when you don't have explosive rounds

[tiny summit]

Guns that pin the bodies to walls? Always satisfying. Activates the neurons.

[junior needle]

I'm making a strong attempt and have been bitching about them for many months now, including making posts on the fatshark forums. Surely something will happen soon, haha.

[fossil basalt]

The new(er) Incarnon modifier is pretty fun too, turns it into a multishot slash weapon that swiss cheeses everything

[tiny summit]

Fatshark has to know and are cooking something or they just don't give a shit

[tiny summit]

Idk. Stopped playing at Deimos

[fossil basalt]

I think we're due for a strong spring update (copium)

[junior needle]

The commentary from crab back in the day mentions they were supposed to be cooking something for patch 14 but only the giga nerfs came through

So uh, I dunno. Guess they're having immeasurably complex issues tuning the damage and ammo values higher.

[tiny summit]

They were cooking the balance updates for all the guns to bring them down to recons level

[fierce steeple]

which braced auto gun is best and what blessings should it have

[tiny summit]

Maybe they are thinking about removing or nerfing survivalist. They keep adding boxes and drop locations in the maps

[fossil basalt]

I'd actually appreciate that a lot if that also included... y'know

Balancing

[junior needle]

Agri seems to still be regarded as the best but graia is better now than it used to be and is preferable for constant bracing. You want FF/DS and flak/maniac perks

[tiny summit]

Also on damn+ I don't think any 3 piece loot box should ever be completely empty. Give me some plasteel, diamantine or docket drops at least

[junior needle]

I'll have to take the columnus brauto for a spin sometime

But I'm addicted to knife zealot

[tiny summit]

I like shooting in my mixed combat game. If fatshark makes their game more difficult through clown car spawns, I want the ammo to fight back

4 or more crushers to me will always feel more silly than any attempt at making a genuine challenge.

And they give Vets and Ogryns new ways to 1 tap them too. What is fatshark'a design goals?

[vernal harbor]

got me scoreboard finally, time to create a bias.

[serene sage]

may you enter the yellow number club

[cerulean void]

I just want a hotshot longlas and a Tanith war knife

Dan where your bois at

[serene bough]

I want Braggs autocannon

[neat stratus]

More fun is when they get launched into others like ping pong

[tiny summit]

Any gun who's fire modes are full auto and fuller auto is a good gun

[junior imp]

i wish the vet could get a heavy stubber

[hearty panther]

i dont even know what braced graias rps even is

[junior imp]

lemme be small ogryn

[hearty panther]

but its fun

[frank ether]

recon

[frank basin]

Recon shoot nerf darts

[tiny summit]

Doesn't count

[junior imp]

a good recon doesn't shoot darts

i use the ones that do like 90-100, closer to some low-mid autoguns

[tiny summit]

I think a sub 10% columnus would do better

[muted knot]

Still ass tho

[junior imp]

i like the small bit of range and accuracy if i need to kill snipers or gunners, thats my only sadness

im also shortest height, so pretty much every enemy's head is in my crosshairs default

[muted knot]

Shouldn't that be the same for everyone

[junior imp]

nope, because then you'd have wonky hitboxes

being taller raises where your camera sits, so you gotta aim down more

[muted knot]

Imagine making your char tall in videogames

Couldn't be me

For agri brauto I imagine the meta is still death spitter/FF ?

And probably flak maniac ?

[junior imp]

i got no idea, i play whats fun for me, i don't meta dabble ever\

[muted knot]

Fair enough

But I'm not good enough to bring bad guns into damnation+

[tranquil bronze]

Hadron really nice...

So I put Dumdum IV over Hit and Run?

[muted knot]

Ye

And flak for crit damage

[strange sparrow]

Remember, as long you abuse I-Frame, anything work

Except recon las, it’s stupidly annoying to make it work

So much bandaid for so little return

[frank basin]

They shattered the recon

Putting back together is beyond repair

[muted knot]

What build do I run with agri brauto ?

[strange sparrow]

It work, it’s just missing the barrel part

[muted knot]

Barrels on lasguns make no god damn sense to begin with tho

[frank basin]

Only 20% damaged?

[tiny summit]

I'm already short irl

[tiny summit]

Monday did a night of Exe MF Recon. Absolutely a dogshit build

[halcyon zephyr]

I only upgraded this as a joke

[frank basin]

Congratulation

You hit the lottery

[potent iris]

the emperor decided it was a very good joke

[halcyon zephyr]

Apparently so

[slow spade]

remember that Hadron did literally nothing wrong

[urban rivet]

I have that dum dum plus death spitter on mine and its kind of nuts how much damage it does. I put flak and maniac on it and its not uncommon to just mow down 5 or 6 maniacs in a volley without even really aiming

[muted knot]

Cope

[urban rivet]

I keep trying to use other guns and keep coming back to it. Its kind of stupid just how point and click it is. I just aim center of mass and by the 4th shot its a headshot, the target is dead, and it levels off and you just scythe stuff down

[slow spade]

just for you, the game will now exclusively spawn snipers and bombers

[muted knot]

Not a problem for ciag

[urban rivet]

I just spray at snipers and it generally works out

That or chuck nades at them till they stop

[slow spade]

brb giving the snipers carapace

[urban rivet]

But Im not very good

I started with Ogryn and in high stress moments I tend to forget Im not abke to just tape the trigger down and laugh

[slow spade]

I started with Vet so my first experience "if I get hit, I die"

funny bleedthrough and Toughness increasing damage taken UwU

[muted knot]

gives your groaners carapace

[glad roost]

Veteran seems to be all glass and no cannon.

[terse shell]

I started with psyker so when I switched to vet I feel like easy mode ngl

more toughness more hp more peel

[slow spade]

"you right. 6TH REVOLVER AND PLASMA BUFF" - Fatshark

[slow spade]

at the beginning, Vet was just pain

[muted knot]

I liked vet at launch tbh

[slow spade]

as you were just like a lvl 1 Vet but being hit did like 40 damage to you lol

[muted knot]

Volleyfire was fun

Mk12 lasgun

Pew pew

[thick wolf]

I started off veteran as my first class

[slow spade]

MK12 is the workhorse of the Vet UwU

even after Patch 13, its still a reliable gun

[thick wolf]

Because I want to shoot things

[umbral granite]

Is it weird that my most effective auric build for vet so far is "Plasma gun + devil claw."

[muted knot]

Cause I can be Astra militarum baby

[terse shell]

vet was tough starting out til you get power sword, then it's free

[urban rivet]

There is something pure to "I shoot things and thats it"

[muted knot]

Not at all

[thick wolf]

Then later I got voc and a shovel and became a shovel manic instead

[slow spade]

"one of the strongest ranged guns" + "reliable melee"

seems normal to me

[muted knot]

Launch Powersword was so fun

[terse shell]

even now power sword is still S tier tbh

special swipe swipe special swipe swipe special swipe swipe

[thick wolf]

No horde shall pass thy sapper shovel

[slow spade]

its funny that a fully min maxed power sword now is weaker than a gray power sword on launch lol

[muted knot]

Oh yeah

[terse shell]

you stagger everything so nothing can hit you anyway

[potent iris]

powersword needs nerfing again a bit lol

[urban rivet]

You leave my baby alone

[muted knot]

But you didn't need power cycler back then right ?

[slow spade]

we need the Launch Power sword with infinite cleave and +7 charged attacks again

[glad roost]

Started off with veteran as well but it seems like the higher difficulties you become a burden especially given how fast you can die. And forget about attempting the twins.

[thick wolf]

Powersword is alright

[slow spade]

no, because launch power sword is power sword now with PC4 built in

[thick wolf]

But it's alt fire is too much waiting

When I can just instantly flick my sapper shovel to do the lethal poke

[muted knot]

In all seriousness, I just don't like the constant special activation

[slow spade]

"Infinite charged attacks" -Fatshark

[thick wolf]

I don't want to wait, I need that horde knocked out now

[slow spade]

"also psyker nerf lol"

[urban rivet]

Its exhausting on the deck

[potent iris]

the funny haha crusher 2 shot is...not healthy lol

[muted knot]

That however I love

[slow spade]

then why can the crusher 1-shot me 😔

[urban rivet]

Maybe for the crusher. Im just fine

[thick wolf]

Are laspistols good for vet

[muted knot]

I think they are overshadowed by other guns

[umbral granite]

half the randoms i play with say that devil claw sucks and that i should swap to a chainsword... which makes no sense to me because the devil claw let me face-tank a demon-host (spam parry) at least half a dozen times by now.

[muted knot]

But they can do work

[thick wolf]

Especially the fuckin revolver

[slow spade]

they're good but rip fingers without mods

[thick wolf]

Casually two shots a rager

[muted knot]

I'm glad I could convert you

[slow spade]

lets be honest, if a random is saying a weapon is bad. It's probably pretty good

[thick wolf]

Revolver and Lasgun are my main secondaries

[muted knot]

New laspistol is definitely easier on the fingers

[thick wolf]

Autogun if I feel absolutely lazy that day

[slow spade]

indeed, but new laspistol vs rager horde

[muted knot]

Does it fuck ?

[umbral granite]

Surgical + hand-cannon: decapitates a crusher with 2 aimed headshots

[slow spade]

no lol

[muted knot]

Hahahaha

[slow spade]

old laspistol had the funny crits to compensate

but new laspistol is pain :c

[potent iris]

I like both laspistols

[muted knot]

New laspistol feels like a worse mk12

[thick wolf]

Nurgle be like "is that goddamn revolver chambered in .50 cal or .950 JDJ?"

[tawny bluff]

HELLO CHAT. what is cleave.

[thick wolf]

Rannick's revolver felt like 9mm compared to the player's

[umbral granite]

Veteran: it's chambered in space-age 500 S&W.

[slow spade]

i'm convinced the Emperor is a cowboy and that Horus was killed by the Emperor's 6-shooter

[tranquil bronze]

Hadron... what the hell. This is not like you.

[thick wolf]

True canon

[terse shell]

when revolver is stronger than boltgun you know it's bad

[thick wolf]

The 40K universe is just the wild west out of control

[slow spade]

for guns, its the ability to pierce enemies
for melee, its the ability to hit through multiple enemies

[frank basin]

the .950 JDj

[thick wolf]

Oh god lmao

I didn't remember it being that huge

[slow spade]

needs more powder

[frank basin]

literally mortar shot

[tranquil bronze]

This feels so wrong lol. It's so cracked, it trivializes so many enemies.

[slow spade]

brb sending a bulwark patrol

[thick wolf]

Stub revolver feels like a complete misnomer

It felt more like a long barrel with how accurate it is

[glad roost]

Anyone have a good chain axe roll they know of?

[slow spade]

I haven't heard any discussion about the chain axe

[thick wolf]

I tried using it

[slow spade]

which is probably good considering it was clowned on before its buffs

[thick wolf]

Not my style

[terse shell]

chainaxe only viable with zealot tbh

[thick wolf]

I need something knocked out or dead asap

[terse shell]

unless you go full melee vet

[slow spade]

genuine improvement honestly

[thick wolf]

i.e shovel and combat axe

[glacial yacht]

heres mine it does pretty well

[glad roost]

I’m getting annihilated by the maulers when I attempt the twins

[slow spade]

ask them nicely to stop

[thick wolf]

I have fuckall confidence doing the twins on heresy

Especially since how long it takes for randoms to join

[glacial yacht]

the aagripina mk 8 does welll against them as well as the plasma gun

[thick wolf]

Plasma gun too slow for me