veteran-class

[lofty lintel]

Oh

[hoary horizon]

You make Ulgo cry. Veterant not like Ogryn. Ogryn is shield for team

[crude ermine]

Back in my day the veterans knew how to dodge

Shoot

[solemn niche]

we had generation of veteran who could not dodge even before patch 13 tbh

[viral nacelle]

Other people playing shieldgryn: “I shall stand here being shot”
Me playing shieldgryn: “unlimited cleave weeeee”

[crude ermine]

And switch their weapons accordingly

[shut flax]

Back in my day veterans used a broken powersword and still didn't know how to dodge

[white minnow]

(pressing F)

[wind patio]

this this this

[lofty lintel]

Theres people who think it shouldnt be nerfed

Its absurd

[shut flax]

Even if they removed the knockback, VOC would still be a great tool

[viral nacelle]

Full regen of toughness plus overcharge lmao

[solemn niche]

i say we buff it if we want to go yolo lets go full yolo

[wind patio]

If they removed the knockback it would literally do nothing without the modifiers lmao

[tall torrent]

Real

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo "Get behind me little ones dreg gunners everywhere"
Other Ogryn's "Behind me i am shield for you"

[primal mesa]

Voc isnt a problem tactical awareness leading to 6 second voc's is what makes it op lol.

[lofty lintel]

I think a good nerf would be the overtoughness to last for less time/give 25 overheal instead of 50

[crude ermine]

All it takes is a few kills

[shut flax]

It could give reload speed instead of overhealth.

[crude ermine]

Then bam

[wind patio]

It giving toughness overheal at all is what makes vets super tanky too

[lofty lintel]

I agree

[gusty bison]

This frankly is the issue

[viral nacelle]

When you proc voc so often the shouts cancel each other

[crude ermine]

Screaming at the top of your lungs again

[wind patio]

Having it means you CANNOT take overflow damage

[solemn niche]

guys just make tactical awarness work off a % of cooldown rather than flat 6 seconds

[crude ermine]

Then it just repeats

[solemn niche]

every other class has percent based cdr

[wanton dawn]

Voc need a nerf ?

[primal mesa]

Cdr on curio plus just 2 special kills is >10 second voc

[lofty lintel]

I dont think tac awareness is the issue its voc being overpowered, and tac awareness doubling down on it

[shut flax]

6 seconds is absurd, especially when there's a ton of specialists

[crude ermine]

Zel does have that CDR on Crits

Near the blazing path

[viral nacelle]

You know I’ve never thought to take CDR seriously on curio

[wind patio]

I sometimes pop VoC just to fend off the damage from a pox burster for my whole team.

[solemn niche]

zelot has 20% on backstab

[hearty panther]

its really overheal thats kinda ridiculous

[viral nacelle]

But that’s actually a fun idea

[wind patio]

It's so good.

[crude ermine]

God imagine if vet had that

[primal mesa]

Cdr has been curio meta since for ever

Since ults are the best thing you can do

[white minnow]

overheal is a neat mechanic

[primal mesa]

And directly buff your team

[viral nacelle]

It definitely hasn’t been 🤷‍♀️

[white minnow]

i'd just nerf the toughness refill on ult

[primal mesa]

So it definitely has ben

You are 100% wrong on that

[hearty panther]

oh i like the idea, but the implementation of overheal is pretty uh

[white minnow]

since you currently regen all toughness on ult

[hearty panther]

like did it also have to totally cancel bursters

[viral nacelle]

I mean, I’ve been around since beta

I haven’t seen people talk about it

[hearty panther]

and all these other unstated interactions

[primal mesa]

Im just ginna block you since suggesting otherwise more so self reports yoy being out if the loop

[hearty panther]

shit is so strong

[wind patio]

Crusher overhead:
Vet: So anyways, I started shouting

[crude ermine]

Basically just makes it "wow that did literally nothing even tho I should've been punished for that"

[viral nacelle]

🤷‍♀️ you seem kinda dumb tbh

[sharp ember]

curio cdr is only like 3 seconds saved if stacked on every curioo

[shut flax]

3.6 seconds

[white minnow]

there's some weakness in that you can get dinked through overheal if you seem to below a certain amount of relative pee toughness

[solemn niche]

3.6 seconds can be difference between life and death

i'd take that over 15% more hp

[white minnow]

prob nerf the toughness regen to 50% instead of 100%

[hearty panther]

it's already goofy to me that it boosts your max toughness, instead of actually being an overheal

[viral nacelle]

Maybe but so can 60% snipe resist

And that’s kinda what you’d be giving up

[hearty panther]

and then VoC keeps that up for 15 seconds lel

[gusty bison]

Shout blocks sniper anyway

[white minnow]

that too

the duration is so damn long

[solemn niche]

why use sniper resist if sniper cant break overthoughness

[viral nacelle]

It does

[crude ermine]

Anything that isn't a net

[shut flax]

It would be interesting if it avoided toughness regen at all and served as a heal over time or heal-on-kill

[viral nacelle]

But still

[lofty lintel]

Yup

[white minnow]

yeah the duration is also a good point to nerf

[gusty bison]

And with vet tou regen u just insta max your toughness again

Oh no i got shot

[viral nacelle]

In general voc is just way too strong

[solemn niche]

duration was actually buffed in patch 15, went from 10s to 15s

[gusty bison]

If only I had 28474726 tou regen talents

[viral nacelle]

Even if you don’t do curio fiddling

[shut flax]

As a vet, you already have access to ET and CK

[crude ermine]

Damn really?

[gusty bison]

And OfB

[shut flax]

Plus Covering Fire if you're so inclined

[gusty bison]

And Wep Spec

[shut flax]

And Iron Will

[gusty bison]

And Target Down

[sharp ember]

OfB gang

[lofty lintel]

I think all it needs is to nerf the duration of overtoughness and reduce the overtoughness to 25

[crude ermine]

Iron will

God that is the node of all time

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

[solemn niche]

to compensate for the nerf. went from 100 overthoughness to 50 and from 10s to 15s

[crude ermine]

Oh yeah I forgot it was 100

[wind patio]

It's actually very substantial how much 3.6 seconds is. It's on the topic of a "critical mass" of ability uptime.
By the time you're in trouble again, there is a much less window for you to be destroyed.

[primal mesa]

The ammount of overtoughness is irrelevant

[crude ermine]

Wtf were they thinking with that

[lofty lintel]

Its fatshark

[primal mesa]

Its the mechanics that come with over toughness that make it good

[shut flax]

Overtoughness prevents overflow damage

[viral nacelle]

I’m just gonna say voc is the one ability I’d genuinely consider taking CDR for

[solemn niche]

it could be 1 overthoughness, as long as overthoughness protects you from snipers and bursters it's still op

[crude ermine]

Yeah I shouldn't expect thinking

[wind patio]

And, some auric missions give you that juicy 20%

[hearty panther]

like i get where fatshark was going with zealot book giving out a buff on the fifth pulse

[viral nacelle]

Like shriek CDR curio is worthless, same with a lot of others

[hearty panther]

but damn you only really need the one pulse lol

[primal mesa]

3.6 seconds across 4 people across 30 minutes leads to 50 flat more ult uses that impact 4 players so their effects are all x4

[shut flax]

Shriek CDR only applies to soulfire builds, and even then it's a backup

[primal mesa]

Ot has been meta since early days if vermintide 2

Its a literal non discussion

[viral nacelle]

Right, that’s my point

[crude ermine]

Everything else is either stunning and thinking your team will kill them all or trying to push a fleshbag off the edge

[viral nacelle]

I can’t think of another ability busted enough that curio CDR is worth it

[primal mesa]

The first onslaught winners in vt2 maximized ult useage as a huge part of their strategy

[shut flax]

Probs the zealot knockback

[solemn niche]

gunlugger point blank barrage ?

[primal mesa]

Anyone who suggests otherwise has no idea what they are talking about

[slate sleet]

@primal mesa hello ben

[solemn niche]

the cooldown is long enough that 3 curios can make a difference

[viral nacelle]

You’d run out of ammo so fast doing that

[solemn niche]

jokes on you, you run out of ammo anyways

[viral nacelle]

Gunlugger limiter isn’t the CD it’s literally the ammo lol 😂

[primal mesa]

Hello @slate sleet

[shut flax]

If you run crit with the ammo perk and survivalist, you often get a positive return on ammo from killing specialists on certain weapons.

It's nuts.

[primal mesa]

Someone atted me in here again and i made the mistake of tabbing in

[viral nacelle]

I’ve been not taking survivalist recently to make things more enjoyable

[slate hawk]

Then explain to me how with overtoughness you can still take heath damage from melee hits

[viral nacelle]

But every other vet has it stapled to the bar 😂

[primal mesa]

You dont

[viral nacelle]

So tired of zero resource limit gameplay

[primal mesa]

You dont take that even with just full normal toughness

[shut flax]

Because shooting things is funny

[sharp ember]

you’re simply preventing aura redundancy

[shut flax]

I enjoy popping headshots to keep up ET in engagements

[wind patio]

I could have sworn with missing overtoughness, I take bleedthrough as if I was missing toughness.

[shut flax]

Doesn't survivalist stack?

[haughty pond]

am I late to the discussion about scion helmet price?

[solemn niche]

you DO take chip damage from melee hits, but bursters and snipers don't do health damage for some mysterious reason

[shut flax]

Unless you take one (1) gunner shot

[primal mesa]

It just moves the percent point

[viral nacelle]

Tbh probably because they’d instawipe 80% of players in the game if they did

[primal mesa]

Its still toughness

[wind patio]

Ye

[white minnow]

auras don't stack

[primal mesa]

If you want proof of this have 1 vet voc you

[shut flax]

Ah gotcha.

[primal mesa]

Take dmg then voc your self

[shut flax]

It's for team cohesion, obviously

[crude ermine]

If they did that would be something

[primal mesa]

Your voc full toughness refill restores you to the new over cap point

[solemn niche]

if you play mutant waves you can reach 150 overthoughness by yourself

[wind patio]

You can also just wait for cohesion regen to refil overtoughness

[solemn niche]

just keep spamming it every 3 mutants

[primal mesa]

Yeah that too

[crude ermine]

All aboard the mutie train

[shut flax]

I actually didn't know they didn't stack somehow. Gonna make a cheaper Fireteam build for when I'm running with other veterans.

[sharp ember]

you will take chip with overtoughness if you get whacked multiple times for some reason, it’s not working correctly

[primal mesa]

But ive learned unless you show something im a way that cant be refuted at all people will find a way ti disagree lol

[shut flax]

Abstract claims need abstract evidence

And granted, people's definition of abstract differs.

[crude ermine]

It came to me inna dream

[solemn niche]

I disagree.

[umbral scaffold]

anything I should change here

[crude ermine]

No one of your fits were hard in my dream

I'm sorry

[shut flax]

Source - esoteric knowledge gifted to me by Kao'loth

[wind patio]

What PS is that

I can't tell

[primal mesa]

The old one

Mk3

[umbral scaffold]

Mk3

[solemn niche]

mkIII

[crude ermine]

Looks like 3

[shut flax]

I went to the astral plane and they said they didn't know you

[crude ermine]

They're lying

[solemn niche]

replace either rampage or slaughterer for power cycler IV

[crude ermine]

They don't like me

[umbral scaffold]

does it matter which

[primal mesa]

It matters alot

[umbral scaffold]

I’ll probably swap slaughterer

[wind patio]

I would keep slaughter if it was 4 but maybe rampage

[shut flax]

Considering the astral plane is basically an HOA, I believe it

[umbral scaffold]

32% would be crazy for horde clear

[primal mesa]

You already 1 shot hordes

[umbral scaffold]

especially since the damage on it is shit

[solemn niche]

slaughterer is more versatile, rampage more powerful when you can activate it

[slate sleet]

reddit sword reddit plasma

[primal mesa]

The dmg stat doesnt matter at all unless a weapons dmg stat has a percent modifer vs something on it

[primal mesa]

The gap between 60% dmg and 80% dmg on flat dmg weps is like 7 points

[slate hawk]

Here's the plasma lol

[umbral scaffold]

oh lol

[solemn niche]

if those 7 points make you miss 1shot breakpoint the 80% weapon becomes twice as good as the 40% weapon

[dry knoll]

damn, thats great. I cant seem to roll over 370 on my plasma.

Been running it since beta and still not got better

[primal mesa]

Yeah but 7 points never gets you over a break point

[shut flax]

If it's near a BP, then it's important to reach it. If not and has no bearing on shot count, w/e

[wind patio]

It's 7 damage before any modifiers tbf

[primal mesa]

The odds of 7 points being the difference of a substantial break point is slim to nothing

[wind patio]

Stacking perks, buffs, blessings etc

[primal mesa]

And after modiers its like 30 max

[umbral scaffold]

is power cycler 3 worth using or should I go straight for 4

[shut flax]

What can it be stacked with and does it apply to your weapon?

[wind patio]

3 is worth, 4 is the grind

[slate hawk]

Thx, from a gray to orange too. Rng didn't screw me that time

[shut flax]

30 CAN make a difference, but typically not so much.

[sharp ember]

3 is just a holdover until you get 4

[solemn niche]

me, doing 998 damage to shotgunners

[primal mesa]

Yeah thats painful but insanely rare

Like shovels doing exactly 1389 to flamers

Thank god for the new one

[potent iris]

just run a shovel and you don't need to worry about cycler 4 :^)

[umbral scaffold]

so true

[solemn niche]

true, shovels are really good after the buff

[slate hawk]

Cattachan mk4 my beloved

[solemn niche]

even better than chainsword in my opinion

[wind patio]

Me, legit doing perfect damage according to the meatgrinder to a mauler but hte game doesn't use whole numbers so I was actually like 0.1 damage off

[umbral scaffold]

decided to get a power sword to run voice of command plasma

[dry knoll]

shovel bonk is funny, but the new chainswords are crazy good

[crude ermine]

The real cycler 4 are the friends we made along the way

[solemn niche]

daring today are we

[umbral scaffold]

is there any perks I should change on it or is unarmoured and flak 20% good enough

[crude ermine]

Another FS moment

[primal mesa]

But for real though in all my testing and guide writting and video making ive never had a weapon that didnt have a % modifier tied to the dmg stat where the dmg stat mattered at all

[crude ermine]

I should turn that into a drinking game for myself, any time a FS moment happens

[primal mesa]

Weps that hit breakpoints at 80 did so at 50 etc

[gusty bison]

Helbore dreg shooter bodyshot

[near sable]

BRRRT

[umbral scaffold]

542 munitorum shovel 🤑

[crude ermine]

My favorite thing to do with the Columnus

[solemn niche]

the shovel to end all shovels

[umbral scaffold]

decimator 4 slullcrusher 4 🤑

[near sable]

slusher 4

[umbral scaffold]

typo fail

[sharp ember]

my mk1 is just shy of it, but i just stand back 5 feet and let Longshot finish the job

[umbral scaffold]

can’t be bothered to change it

[near sable]

in unrelated news, my horde-clearinator

[solemn niche]

tier 4 perk, top tier fun

[umbral scaffold]

I love running slusher 4

[zealous wyvern]

delilator and slullclusha 4

[solemn niche]

btw I just completed hi-stg mercantile with bots

the bots are surprisingly good when fighting in a chokepoint

they only fall apart when enemies come from more than 1 direction

the end screen

[wind patio]

Anyone else feel like haste stim is underwhelming

[zealous wyvern]

yes

i barely notice the move difference

[crude ermine]

I like it paired with high fire rate weapons

[wind patio]

I like popping it on Gunlugger with stubbers but that’s about it

[fair kite]

Whats a good build for the "Make Every Shot Count" penance?

[primal mesa]

Shot gun 😼

[zealous wyvern]

plasma, no ammo aura, melee skills to win the mission without shooting

[solemn niche]

I did it with the plasmagun, max charge shots consume your ammo really afst

[zealous wyvern]

plasma uses way more ammo

charge your shots

[solemn niche]

assassination is the easiest mission for every shot count, you can unload on the final boss at teh end if you have leftover ammo

[zealous wyvern]

nkooooo

the shield does not count

[solemn niche]

im pretty sure it counted when I did it o_O is this a recent change ?

[zealous wyvern]

anything that gives the blue reticle effect does not count

i just heard of 2 ppl who did that in the past months and didnt get it

then got it first try they stopped doing that

[slate sleet]

gunner resist fucking sucks why is this even in the game

[wind patio]

Supposedly you don’t need to worry about ammo once you deplete your reserve one time. Even if you get more you will get it

[zealous wyvern]

you sure it still works only by reserve?

[craggy ridge]

So whats the 'best in slot' perks for the Columnus V these days?

[shut flax]

Dum Dum is pretty solid

[viral nacelle]

Anyone got a fun shredder autopistol build?

[shut flax]

The second perk I'm unsure of. I think it's build-dependent.

[viral nacelle]

Does it still count if you shoot the shield?

I feel like no because the recticule turns blue when you do but I am also not sure

[solemn niche]

what's the problem ? full set of gunner resist gives you 43% damage reduction against gunners. can be worth with some builds.

[shut flax]

If you're not running ET or CK, I can kinda see the value

[slate sleet]

how is that worth he nearly destroyed my toughness and i have 283+50+all the % dmg reduction from talents

[strange sparrow]

I mean

You shouldn't be standing still right?

Then again, I see why you point out it's a shit perks for curios

[primal mesa]

Just suppress gunners

[strange sparrow]

You stand still and tanked 12 seconds of uninterrupted gunners to begin

[potent iris]

you stood still and ate bullets without having toughness break for like 10 seconds lmao

that's not exactly an indictment of gunner resist

[slate sleet]

gunners never spawn solo

thats just one guy

[potent iris]

right and you're never standing still like a clown in a real game I hope

[strange sparrow]

And ranged unit block other ranged runit

[slate sleet]

you show yourself to a normal gun line you are dead in seconds gunner resist or not

[strange sparrow]

if there's anything in front of u

they get shot first

so

[trail carbon]

I dont remember the mission name, but its the one where you take an elevator down and youre putting the canisters into the spots that are on like high rise platforms to open the door for the extraction point, but anyways, earlier in the level, you round a corner to the left and theres some computers etc. A door, And a drop down where once you go down theres no going back up. The door is where enemies come from.
I got thrown through the wall, into the spawn area for enemies, by a mutant.
Luckily, there was also a "window" where I guess they would drop out of later in the map and was able to escape that way after having free range on killing a bunch of pox walkers, some scabs, and a sniper xD

Wild time.

[shut flax]

Be the wall

Regen toughness with VOC, ET, and CK to pair with Iron Will and Gunner Resist and walk at them slowly.

[potent iris]

like vet played right should be pretty much immortal, gunner resist just helps keep it that way

you could take sniper resist instead if you really wanna

[crude ermine]

I like having gunner and sniper

Mainly gunner tho

[shut flax]

Stamina regeneration my beloved

[strange sparrow]

VoC is pretty much the most rogue-tank build this game is offering

[crude ermine]

That's only cuz one of my curios is fucked so I'm stuck with sniper

[strange sparrow]

So much damage and one ability = overtank

[shut flax]

If VOC gave overhealth on ranged kills, I'd understand

But it's so much free utility

[solemn niche]

on the subject of curios, this screenshot will clearly illustrate my point:

if i had any less thoughness or any less cooldown reduction i would be dead here

instead i survived and then used shout

[strange sparrow]

That's unique and I would say you should had avoid that situation to begin

But it happen

[shut flax]

Now lets see Paul Allen's toughness

[crude ermine]

Paul's fucking dead

Someone should inform his kangaroo wife

[shut flax]

"Thanks, mate"

[languid terrace]

Good shovel? If so, which perk and blessing work best with it?

[lusty steppe]

god roll

[civic knot]

Best blessings for mk 3 shovel? also whats the difference between the new shovels

[midnight totem]

mk3 is mostly horizontal sweeps, with vertical strike downs on the alt attack

[serene sage]

is this supposed to make gunner res look bad? because to me it shows me how OP this shit is

[midnight totem]

mk7 has some strike downs mixed in, but the alt attack comes in at an angle

[slate sleet]

i dont think it makes any real dif

you either get stunlocked into a corner and cant move so you cant dodge so you die instantly anyway

or you never get hit to begin with

[potent iris]

there's definitely a very huge swathe of middle ground there that makes up the vast majority of gameplay but sure

[serene sage]

gunner stunlocking is exaggerated
I think most people gets stunlocked by reapers instead and blame gunners for it

[torpid sundial]

well that was easy

just play a melee vet

[serene sage]

because reapers have a rep of being one of the less scary elites out there

[torpid sundial]

unload all your pistol ammo into ads or specials

and play the rest of the mission with melee only

[sage agate]

mfw we only got the scion helmet and not the armor set

[thick wolf]

Did you use revolver

Because that's how I did it

[elder siren]

this doesnt look right

[burnt raven]

that will be later on and be a premium premium cosmetic and will also be a different color than the helmet

[jovial aurora]

Is power cycler hard to get or can I get it from the milk man

[potent iris]

yes

[jovial aurora]

To the former or the aforementioned

[potent iris]

to both

[jovial aurora]

Oh sweet

[potent iris]

like if melk has power cycler 4 in stock

grab that shit and immediately unlock it with hadron

[jovial aurora]

I'll just watch for it. I'm not in a rush

More concerned about getting my melee psyker done lol

[torpid sundial]

How does this work

Do I throw it up into the air so it drops down without bouncind

[sage agate]

check the pins

[torpid sundial]

oh

[strange sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1048425477569785906/long_bomb.mp4?ex=65ab2fd0&is=6598bad0&hm=55c035dc74ab6d3ea760ff28bf0861d01b4c746141f999617449fb4047094748&

[torpid sundial]

thanks

[sage agate]

there's a pretty good guide on how to do it

[viral nacelle]

So I’m trying taking a bunch of stam and sprint cost reduction to make las rifle exe work on auric mael

General idea is mobility and pushing gets me time to shoot gets me more survivability and damage

Again, the goal is exe las rifle with a meaningful amount of left side

Doing chaxe/1a/bleed nade

Only doing chaxe because so common for teams to have no way of handling crusher

Otherwise I might honestly knife

[torpid sundial]

yep revolver

I keep saying pistol

also is there an autopistol build for veteran I kinda want to try it out

[raw steppe]

you just use autopistol

lol

[torpid sundial]

I mean the talent tree

[shut flax]

Crit autopistol?

[torpid sundial]

wondering if onslaught is needed

like recon

[raw steppe]

autopistol has bad crit

i would run it with tag or no keystone

[flint onyx]

I did it on that one desert map where you need to jump down in the yard and stop/open the giant fan with the 3 power cells, at the start I threw all my grenades in the incoming enemies while standing at the top, without holding the throw button

[torpid sundial]

🤔 maybe bricked

very bricked

welp

[copper pine]

A new marvel indeed Hadron

[torn gorge]

You could also do foldable shovel or pivot to kraks

[dusty sluice]

does suppression immunity help with lasgun?

[copper pine]

Yes

[torpid sundial]

surgical 4

trust

die hadron

and I really wanted to use this too

maybe I can still use elite ranged damage

[dusty sluice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b117a54-f409-407a-b8a4-6da1834bc782/lasgun-6 suggestions?

[torn gorge]

Stamina regeneration node over marksman in a non dead shot build?

[jovial aurora]

Crit could be okayish too lol

[north raptor]

so the veteran helm cosmetic -- the scion helmet -- alters the voice?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[north raptor]

sweet

[torn gorge]

Competitive urge also probably more value than flat 10% rending

[inland orchid]

Get both

Then u won’t gotta worry bout which is better

[shut flax]

Rending is good for crits, I think

[viral nacelle]

Don’t want to do krak, bored of em. Don’t like the look of shovel 😂

[torn gorge]

Fair enough

[viral nacelle]

It’s working ok to just run away, turn around, push, blyat

I’ve not taken nade regen and that does feel dumb

[finite imp]

Did they release the scion helm??

[inland orchid]

Seems like it considering the question imo, I could be wrong

[crude ermine]

Yes, but only helm

[wanton dawn]

Rending is good if your weapon has an armor modifiee equals or below 90% on flak, unyielding or maniac. Good meaning >10% dmg increase

On carapace it depends cuz a bad weapon against carapace is still bad with only rending strike

[shut flax]

True. You CAN run crit columnus with just rending strike and be okay-ish against crushers

Still takes half a mag, but it's doable

[wanton dawn]

Well, you probably still dont want to shot crysher with columnus

[shut flax]

Also true

[strange sparrow]

Just shoot Crusher

No risk involve

[hearty panther]

just hit him

[hollow ibex]

Not too bad with onslaught tbf

[wanton dawn]

In any case, most meta weapon dont take rending strike cuz their armor modifier are good to begin with

[hearty panther]

whatll he do, kill you? doubt it

[wanton dawn]

Still worse than a good melee

[shut flax]

Shooting a crusher with onslaught columnus is arguably faster than psword poking

[strange sparrow]

It come down to the build

[wanton dawn]

I have a os crusher video with ps

[strange sparrow]

average 3 strike if there's no special right side tree stuff

[jovial aurora]

So many perks that make you feel dumb for vet lol

[viral nacelle]

Yeah there are some very obvious must take perks, especially in mid and right. Wish they’d balance the tree better and not make it so everyone wants to go thru the “eliminate resource scarcity” nodes

Or all the “incredibly durable and a beast in melee”

[wanton dawn]

#veteran-class message

[hearty panther]

Please FatShark get rid of Survivalist I beg of you

[jovial aurora]

I run exec and lean on my team and I'm not afraid to admit it

[shut flax]

I'd rather they fix VOC first

[viral nacelle]

🙏

[shut flax]

Shooting gunbullets is actually fun

[jovial aurora]

But nothing that shoots at things lives so

[crude ermine]

We can do both

Or they can

[viral nacelle]

Voc, survivalist and nade regen should all go

[strange sparrow]

My response to that information

[viral nacelle]

Give vet the golden personal shieldy thing the commissar from dow2 had

[pearl granite]

is shotgun good on vet?

[topaz pebble]

Shotguns are very meh in general

[crude ermine]

It's useable

[shut flax]

Ironically, nerfing survivalist would be a net buff to tank veterans since the tree gets one perk lighter by going middle.

[viral nacelle]

No

[wanton dawn]

Imagine putting carapace on columnus !

[topaz pebble]

I do lmao

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-gif-20168946

[topaz pebble]

Colomnus is so dumb

[viral nacelle]

You could use shotgun and take all the disadvantages of shotgun… or you could just use plasma and have infinite cleave on a gun that busts thru carapace

[pearl granite]

😢

[topaz pebble]

Run revolver

[strange sparrow]

Anything is bad if you compared it with Plasma/ CIAG / Revolver

[pearl granite]

hope they buff the shotgun soon, I just like them

[shut flax]

Run recon

[strange sparrow]

Try it, it's not that bad as people said

[viral nacelle]

Meanwhile shotty versus carapace like “oops muh pellets do nothing”

[shut flax]

Shotguns are VERY good if you build around them

[wanton dawn]

Agri brauto is pretty good

[viral nacelle]

Lmao cursed advice

[topaz pebble]

I like running my shotgun with wep spec

[shut flax]

Not revolver tier, but still very good

[topaz pebble]

Its fun

[strange sparrow]

Not popular enuf

[pearl granite]

gib build 😄

[crude ermine]

Unlike zel shotgun with chastise that turns it into "fuck your cara"

Flak time

[strange sparrow]

If I see more advocation, I would put it up there

[wanton dawn]

Sure but dmg wise it is columnus lvl

[shut flax]

Crit shotgun with flachette

[viral nacelle]

Full melee, shotgun as a thing you have 😂

[pearl granite]

I already have good plasma, ciag. looking for new thing to play

[topaz pebble]

Hellbore mk1

[strange sparrow]

May I recommend you spear with a gun?

[topaz pebble]

I will forever shill those weapons

[viral nacelle]

If you’re collecting meta weapons revolver is next

[shut flax]

You can run the fire shotgun with flachette, and have infinite cleave that procs bleed and burn

[strange sparrow]

I know I know

People show me before

[viral nacelle]

Or you could run plasma and have infinite cleave that kills everything outright

[shut flax]

How about we not include plasma

[crude ermine]

Because FS decided to buff it's cleave a while back

[topaz pebble]

And chews through ammo

[crude ermine]

a shit ton

[topaz pebble]

Every plasma vet i play with

Hordes ammo

[viral nacelle]

Things I say to FS daily

[topaz pebble]

14 tins, 4 bags, 2 crates

[shut flax]

Plasma really does need a tuning

[topaz pebble]

Like, every game

[wanton dawn]

Agri brauto cheat a bit cuz of its cleave is so good

[viral nacelle]

Which is funny because it sips ammo

[shut flax]

Give it the bolter treatment

[pearl granite]

kantrael mk9?

[serene sage]

Reddit disagrees

[crude ermine]

I gotta stop asking the question "what were they thinking"

because they clearly weren't

[shut flax]

Reddit moment reddit moment

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, i disagree

[viral nacelle]

Lmao takes five minutes to draw plasma? That’d honestly work 😂

[strange sparrow]

When do we care about malice casuals trying auric Mael

[serene sage]

It really feels like 90% of Reddit is carried by the Plasma and Ogryns

[strange sparrow]

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, i agree

[topaz pebble]

Like i love ogryns

[shut flax]

Yeah that one

[serene sage]

Because they are loud and their voices do actually get heard, sometimes

[crude ermine]

It's like going back in time to see a Victorian child

[topaz pebble]

But like, holy shit a good chunk of them must be actually roleplaying

[crude ermine]

Why should I care for them

[topaz pebble]

Dumbest mfers ever

[crude ermine]

I'm better

[viral nacelle]

Meanwhile I’m over here doing my best to carry in auric mael with exe Kant 1a. It is… not good 😂

Honestly feels like the game at top diffs has become so melee centric that gun is not smart to build around

[strange sparrow]

I will be honest though, it’s okay to suck at the game but plasma right now is killing so fast that I don’t get to play the game

[torn gorge]

I did that with also agile engagement and deadshot, true meme territory

[wanton dawn]

Errr

[strange sparrow]

It’s a picnic in auric Mael

[wanton dawn]

Arguable

[topaz pebble]

Err

[serene sage]

I don't think so?

[pearl granite]

is there a really detailed guide for vet, just like orgyn have the orgynomicon?

[crude ermine]

It is quite annoying

[wanton dawn]

No

[crude ermine]

Like I wanna kill the specials too smh

[shut flax]

25% crit from one dodge and 25% crit from deadshot + 5% crit on weapon + 5% crit node is funny

[topaz pebble]

Just point and click with vet

[serene sage]

You have to be good at melee for sure
But that's different from being "melee centric"

[pearl granite]

😢

[crude ermine]

Or whip out the blueberry electric popsicle

[wanton dawn]

Vet are too busy killing each other to agree on anything

[shut flax]

Also I think hitting heads REPEATEDLY procs ET

[crude ermine]

Or get a shovel

[strange sparrow]

To be honest if they nerf survivalist, I rather play Zealot at that moment

The only thing that make Veteran use ranged weapon leisurely

[shut flax]

Replace ammo with reload speed and I'm still on the veteran gang

[strange sparrow]

[viral nacelle]

What I mean, specifically, is that you might take a few things to make your gun better and there’s a couple meta guns you can viably build around but most builds for most classes are gonna be focused on being able to survive and thrive in melee first

[shut flax]

Veterans are about guns. It would be nice to have more QOL for guns.

[torn gorge]

Yes, but the problem is the payoff

[strange sparrow]

I took grey knife into auric Mael to loot better

What are you talking about

[torn gorge]

Dragonfire rounds with bleed are still pitiful

[viral nacelle]

Incredible memes

[shut flax]

True

[civic knot]

BiS blessings for braced autoguns?

[strange sparrow]

I’m not even joking though

I just need a push

[shut flax]

I gotta test it with damage modifiers to see the breakpoint for a poxwalker

[wanton dawn]

Double power

[strange sparrow]

Because CIAG melt everything

[shut flax]

I wanna oneshot a horde

[viral nacelle]

Push is love, push is life

[civic knot]

not even hit n run?

[wanton dawn]

Its qol

[strange sparrow]

We don’t like QoL here

[shut flax]

VOC is entirely QOL

[strange sparrow]

More DAMAGE

DAKKAAAA

[crude ermine]

WE ARE NOT GREENSKINS

[strange sparrow]

That’s why I don’t take VoC

[shut flax]

ES moment

[serene bough]

VoC isn't QoL its a massive buff

[wanton dawn]

Brauto has super high suppression anyway

[strange sparrow]

I take ES

[shut flax]

Being alive does improve the quality of it

[serene bough]

Something like ghost is QoL bc its benefit is situational and brief

[strange sparrow]

Gonna grind damage on scoreboard

[shut flax]

Scoreboard moment

[strange sparrow]

The only thing that validate my auric mael fr

[crude ermine]

Negative damage when

[strange sparrow]

I already have like a 70-80% win rate at auric Mael

[wanton dawn]

You can use hit n run

[shut flax]

The only thing I really want to add modwise is the specials counter to see if I'm the only one shooting specials or not

[strange sparrow]

It’s literally no more sense for me to play easier game

Only hard game

[plain abyss]

Finally

[serene sage]

What a surprise that 7% of people have that achievement

[shut flax]

Sometimes, damnation is harder than auric maelstrom due to a random level 20 psyker that'll show up mid game

[strange sparrow]

Everything in game right now have quantity but no quality

[serene sage]

That's a decent chunk

[wanton dawn]

🧀

[strange sparrow]

It’s just waves and waves of garbage

[finite imp]

Mine

[serene sage]

Still

That's effort regardless

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/horizontally-spinning-rat-gif-3333928911453978427

[serene sage]

To find people that lets you cheese

[wanton dawn]

Effort is 15 game without going down

[strange sparrow]

Effort is 90% BRAIN BUST

ON MONSTROSITY

[wanton dawn]

🧀

[crude ermine]

Cheese..?

CHEESE

[shut flax]

Cheesed to meet you

[serene bough]

90% brain burst achievement is proof FS is trolling

[serene bough]

Wonder who sat down and thought to add that

[analog mural]

Nah the old going out with a bang was FS trolling

[plain abyss]

bruh, tarkov moment

[untold mulch]

I find so funny the lowest % is

[strange sparrow]

The biggest hurdle

[shut flax]

Until they add anticheat, rats will prevail

[civic knot]

Is stopping power factored into the final dmg count of the weapon that is shown in the inventory?

[crude ermine]

Warp rats even

[wanton dawn]

Its because ppl are drawn to higher diff

[serene bough]

I still don't have 5 missions complete for this achievement lol

[untold mulch]

Yes against armor

[serene bough]

Haven't played malice in so long

[strange sparrow]

Malice is a bad difficulty and you couldn’t prove me wrong

[civic knot]

good?

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

I could face tank stuff with VoC

At like level 16 something

And it’s so sleepy to ply them

[wanton dawn]

Good but wrong dump stat

[strange sparrow]

It’s a picnic

[shut flax]

Don't forget the zealots that want to fistfight demonhosts without dodging

Malice is a magical place

[serene sage]

I guess it's full of malice

[civic knot]

k, how about the talent tree

[wanton dawn]

You are missing 5% ranged dmg from bottom left. Might wanna grab it

[strange sparrow]

I would take 10% rending but that’s just me

[shut flax]

Could skip out on ogryn damage since you have kraks

[strange sparrow]

Being extra cautious about damage dropoff

[pearl granite]

uh guys, I can't find "fletchette" blessing in kantrael mk9 shotgun

[strange sparrow]

Then again you shouldn’t be shoot 2 far so

https://tenor.com/view/getting-jiggy-with-it-cat-gif-27278316

[shut flax]

It takes a while

Same with the other funny one that I forget the name of

[pearl granite]

what's its highest tier?

[wanton dawn]

T2

[pearl granite]

oh, that's why I got all the t3/4 blessings and doesn't see it anywhere

[tranquil bronze]

SCION HELMET

[pearl granite]

thanks

[wanton dawn]

Bingo

[tranquil bronze]

YES

[terse idol]

God damnn

[crude ermine]

Gyatt damn

[topaz pebble]

1400 aquilas

[shut flax]

On a scale from yes to yes, yes

[topaz pebble]

Hell no

Fully enclosed helmet
Exposed neck
1400 aquilas

[terse idol]

A small price to pay 🥹

[crude ermine]

Only time I bought a 1.4k hat was the Krieg helm and the psyker pseudo cowboy hat

[terse idol]

Does it modulate the voice?

[shut flax]

Is the voice mod togglable?

[terse idol]

Waiit that aint a exposed neck you got a neck guard

[shut flax]

I kinda like the base voice tbh

[terse idol]

It makes sense that it's not in the front so you can look down

[crude ermine]

Yes

[terse idol]

Damn the cosmetics for zealot too might be up my alley

[crude ermine]

And that stupid hat kept giving me perfect rolled revolvers on her

[shut flax]

Lore accurate loot pools

[crude ermine]

I WANT THEM ON MY VET

[crude ermine]

It's a sign

[shut flax]

MISPLACED LORE ACCURATE LOOT

[terse idol]

Ooh that's what ya mean

[topaz pebble]

Its also just the helmet

[crude ermine]

Oh god that's ugly

[topaz pebble]

They're probably gonna sell the carapace armor sometime later

Separately

For an inflated price

[untold mulch]

Gotta sell the rest in parts, to get all the money

and in different rotations to not have the entire stock at once

[crude ermine]

I'll stick with the helm on the right of it

[topaz pebble]

Like, damn, I dont mind paying for cosmetics

But paying all this for slop is not acceptable

[terse idol]

Eh, not a deal breaker for me but I see your gripe

[topaz pebble]

Im actually just gonna use the for the drip mod

Armageddon steel legion is still the best cosmetic purchase I've made to this date considering the quality of the recent cosmetics

[untold mulch]

I am seeing them being more blatant as time goes on

Wait for next "big" skin to be even worse monetized

[terse idol]

Vallhallan was fiine

If you liked that aesthetic

Same as rogue trader

[topaz pebble]

2400 for like

Recolors

[terse idol]

Where

[tiny summit]

If Fatshark offered more than 2 "styles" for each class for in-game it would be more acceptable. But nope. Got gradually upgraded outfits/recolors in the shop and some penance earnable shit with no recolors.

[shut flax]

For the Drip limits only to borderless windowed? Pass.

[topaz pebble]

Rogue trader was good

[terse idol]

We had unique skins

[topaz pebble]

The chestpiece was fire

[terse idol]

The valhallan is new

[topaz pebble]

But 2900 is not what Im paying for that

Ogryn valhalla was a recolor

[terse idol]

Zealot had a pegleg

[topaz pebble]

Like vet chestpiece

Fire

[tiny summit]

Borderless Fullscreen. The true path of game windows

[topaz pebble]

Price?

Not very much

[terse idol]

Only because of buying only the chestpiece

I mean I got the boots

And the chest

[shut flax]

Fullscreen gang

[serene sage]

honestly skin in fps is crazy to me, outside of equipments skins

you are not looking at them for like 95% of game time beyond just knowing that you have the skin

they should focus on making crazy weapon skins imo

slap some customization on it, too like the wep custom mod does

[thick wolf]

I just want more options for long gloves torso variant

Or hell, maybe pick your own gloves

[shut flax]

In that case, why worry about different clothes?

It's a weak argument, but expression is fairly important.

[hearty panther]

its my lucky underwear

[thick wolf]

It's criminal that the only option for long gloves is just green

[serene sage]

you're assuming that other people in game look at you often

I can't remember the last time i look at someone and thought damn they look good

I just think oh hey that's a psyker

that's a vet

that's an ogryn blocking my shots

[untold mulch]

Ngl if they added weapon customization on skins (shit like sights)

It would be terrible for non-mod users

[shut flax]

Fair. I'd equate it to Fashion Souls at that point, in which it really only applies to a specific subset of people

[hearty panther]

yeah and his ass looks great in those pants

[shut flax]

Fashion begets fashion

[untold mulch]

People in the Halo lobbies farming hundred of hours to get taht sweet armor set to style on the noobs

[thick wolf]

Can I also comment on the lack of gasmask choices for vet in the commissary

[serene sage]

but Soulds is third person 😔

[shut flax]

i can haz recon???

[serene sage]

I can see the model

[shut flax]

The issue now has shifted to the external perspective tho

[serene sage]

well, im not gonna yuck people's yum

would love to see more weapon skins though

[untold mulch]

Playw ith 3rd person mod

now skin makes sense

[hearty panther]

i too want more weapon skins

[serene sage]

cause I truly think the current emphasis is on the character skins, wep skins seem to be an afterthought

[hearty panther]

replace all the headpiece slots with weapon skin slots in the shop

thats my dream

[shut flax]

I just want interchangable sights so I don't need the weapon customizer mod

[serene sage]

like we have the Bolter skin that is kinda unique, the rest seems lukewarm to me

maybe an exception can be make for the lasgun skins?

idk

hell have we ever had a plasma gun skin?

[shut flax]

We'll get one after it's nerfed

[serene sage]

i want to see reddit cry after that, if it ever happens

[brazen meadow]

what change ?

[jovial aurora]

Deffo switch weakspot to maniac

[junior needle]

[jovial aurora]

Imo

[brazen meadow]

word. Is hammerblow good ?

[paper flax]

r8 my drip 👉👈

[jovial aurora]

Uncanny is the important one so I think the 2nd is kinda preference

[brazen meadow]

Ty handsome

[jovial aurora]

Hammer good for making room

[serene sage]

Tac axe/10

[jovial aurora]

8/Eninem

[analog crescent]

does this work?

[zealous wyvern]

where do you get that shirt from

[tranquil bronze]

Why am I seeing a lot of players going into damnation with one wound?

[urban steppe]

what mod you using ??? i mean some words a re colored

i need that

[brazen meadow]

google mezs modpack. Its somewhere on steam

[urban steppe]

hm okay

[analog crescent]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/210

it's that mod

[urban steppe]

thanks

[rough cobalt]

As vet it's harder to die longer you play(dropped wound since not dying in 10 damnations in a row)

[finite imp]

We're built different

[rough cobalt]

I mean why wound matter when I'm not even downed once

[zealous wyvern]

because most people dont use wounds

at least most good players i see

hp toughness and stamina keep you from needing them

[untold mulch]

I don't use wounds

If I pick a health stimm, is a net win

[rough cobalt]

Still hoping for that 3rd toughness 17

[zealous wyvern]

i personally do better with one extra wound since i am bad

[untold mulch]

Like if you only have 2 wounds

health stimm will heal 50% not 25%

which is awesome

[zealous wyvern]

good enough to do damnation, not good enough to survive throughout it all with base wounds only

at least not always

[untold mulch]

Fair enough

[rough cobalt]

No worries

Longer you play you gonna adapt

[zealous wyvern]

well depends on build

true most of my hours are put in levelling characters

not playing t5

[thick wolf]

I need to do a bit more heresy runs before stepping foot on damnation

[shut flax]

What's the biggest limiter to entering damnation?

[crystal folio]

best horde clear veteran melee?

[buoyant depot]

Best way to learn damnation is to play it 😉

[shut flax]

Psword

[crystal folio]

which mark?

[shut flax]

Uhhh VI for its moveset

Charge into head height sweeps

[thick wolf]

Given my first heresy run is hi intensity fog thanks quickplay

And that made me mentally sweat

I'm not confident enough yet

[crystal folio]

ty

[buoyant depot]

Ou i like fog, i think its fun. But High entensity Heresy is probably harder than normal damnation, so thats good way to learn ^^

[thick wolf]

That one ogryn, true hero

Wait seriously

It's harder than normal damnation?

[deft cosmos]

What talents are you chads running on Plasma Guns? Just hit 30

Normal damnation you still have downtime and can ulti spam some hordes

If you get perma hordes it's easy to get chipped down

[finite imp]

I just picked a better gun tbh

[deft cosmos]

[finite imp]

Gets hot is good

[thick wolf]

The only thing I remember in that run was

[finite imp]

I forget the other meta one was

[dusty sluice]

i think brunt wants me to do smth

[thick wolf]

"oh my god theres too much happening am I even hitting my targets right I shouldve brought an autogun"

[finite imp]

I accidentally rolled a god plasma like my third gun and didn't realize it. But I hate plasma guns

[shut flax]

Post it as often as possible to spite plasma mains

[finite imp]

Such a snoozer of a weapon

[shut flax]

"i might delete this"

Fuckin pulls up a god roll

[finite imp]

Might as well be firing NyQuil out of that gun

[deft cosmos]

Pistol still seems to slap on t5

Which is nice

[thick wolf]

Which pistol

[deft cosmos]

Quickdraw stub

[finite imp]

Machine?

That's a revolver

[shut flax]

That's like, THE revolver

[thick wolf]

Because there's reolvers, laspistols, autopistols

[finite imp]

Revolver is the most based weapon

[thick wolf]

The revolver I have is fucking busted for heresy

[deft cosmos]

Revolver good

[finite imp]

Plasma gunners hate revolver users

[deft cosmos]

Lmao

[finite imp]

Cuz we're just better

[shut flax]

Columnus gang

[finite imp]

Columnus is my favorite autogun

Bar nine

None

[thick wolf]

Its the gun I managed to get make every shot count penance

[shut flax]

Full crit columnus just feels great to use

[thick wolf]

Was going to use plasma gun for it but reload too slow

[deft cosmos]

Wish there was a melta gun

[thick wolf]

I need to insert bullets fucking asap

[finite imp]

You mean with crit blessings and perks?

[shut flax]

Dum dum, crit talents are all you really need

50% crit just being in a fight is nice

[finite imp]

Why. You'd obliterate everything in your path and then have a long reload

[deft cosmos]

The Emperor wills that you reload for 10 seconds

[finite imp]

One shot

[thick wolf]

I don't even have wep spec for my revolver

[junior needle]

Don't think IAG's have any crit blessings

[deft cosmos]

Please I'm begging

[finite imp]

Might as well add sniper rifles

[thick wolf]

And it still shreds elite and specialists

[finite imp]

Columnus is a little too good sometimes ngl

But don't tell fatshark they specifically hate me

[junior needle]

Sometimes

[deft cosmos]

Revolver's draw time and reload are so based

[finite imp]

And will nerf all my guns

[thick wolf]

I would've liked the other revolver more if it wasn't braced

Because speedloader

[finite imp]

Yeah what a wasted opportunity

[deft cosmos]

You hate to see it

[finite imp]

Could have made a cool cowboy revolver

But no

"balance"

[thick wolf]

So I'm forced to play revolver ocelot with the older revolver

Which works well

[slender turtle]

Today, i learned the bolter is still ridiculous in hyper burstering down bosses and crusher patrols

[finite imp]

Reload speed is bad tho

If they buffed that I'd use bolter

[thick wolf]

psa: stub revolver

[slender turtle]

I dont even use it for ranging down lesser enemies. I just save it for bigger threats like when the director sleeps on the elite spam button

[thick wolf]

L4D2 AI Director be like

Except when it accidentally rolls over to the spawn tank button just as you get out of the safe room in Swamp Fever's second map

[noble charm]

How bad do yall think the color mismatch is

[thick wolf]

Ehhhh could be worse

[noble charm]

I can't believe they added a scion helmet and didn't make it black

[serene bough]

FS trolling

[noble charm]

real

[shadow aurora]

Could try using the green pants to make the color combination a but more appealing

[noble charm]

Yeah, I just like using those cause they were fucking hard to get

[shadow aurora]

Fair

[urban steppe]

get the green set

and dont ask it again

[noble charm]

I'm poor

[urban steppe]

go on damnation

or mael

[noble charm]

oh you meant the commissary set

[thick wolf]

It could be like this attempt

Which made me switch back to the green helmet I have

[urban steppe]

or get a mod there to crate your own color set

[noble charm]

There's a mod to change armour colors?

[urban steppe]

yes , for the drip

[shadow aurora]

Yeah, mods are client side tho so people wouldnt be able to see it

[noble charm]

If the other person also has that mod they should

[shadow aurora]

There actually is a black scion helmet in files

[noble charm]

I've got like 30 mods rn

[urban steppe]

no they didnt

[tranquil bronze]

Thankfully not bricked, can still make Russo's bleed knife build.

[dry knoll]

any idea what that mod is called/

[noble charm]

Yea I haven't seen it

[untold mulch]

What mod?

[analog mural]

It's mentioned above, it's called for the drip

Available in the modding discord

[untold mulch]

I tried it once and my game almsot died

Will check again after a few months

[rough cobalt]

I don't play with knife but found one just for that 1% chance i change my mind someday

[untold mulch]

Idc about my drip until I get a Hellgun

only then I will be satisfied weapon wise

[rough cobalt]

hellgun was that heavy backpack lasgun that's way better?

[analog mural]

Isn't that the hotshot?

[rough cobalt]

wtf is hellgun then

[analog mural]

Maybe he means helbore?

[rough cobalt]

aah

nah it's the same thing

checked wiki

[dry knoll]

hellgun is the scion's backback turbo boy

[untold mulch]

Same thing

I prefer Hellgun name

[analog mural]

Ah ok

[rough cobalt]

"A Hellgun, also called a Hot-shot Lasgun, is a pattern of Imperial Lasgun that possesses a more advanced and powerful laser generation system intended to ..."

[untold mulch]

I guess like Astra Militarum/Imperial Guard

Hotshot is the official name

[rough cobalt]

Damn if we had those the game would be godlike

[untold mulch]

vets call it hellgun

Fr fr

[rough cobalt]

allready have scion outfit, all I'm missing is hellgun

[untold mulch]

Only the helmet, but yeah. I was hoping the helmet in code meant the weapon was nearby

[dry knoll]

Here's me thinking the hotshot was a modified lasgun that dumps most of the charge into one shot, while the hellgun was a more powerful rapid fire weapon

[rough cobalt]

wasn't that long las?

[dry knoll]

I blame black library authors

[rough cobalt]

the sniper version

(creative names as allways warhammer)

[untold mulch]

There is hotshot charge packs

that do that

[dry knoll]

ah maybe thats it then

[short wigeon]

nope, just different slang for the same gun

[untold mulch]

Because GW and black library sucks at keeping weapon names consistent

[dry knoll]

yeah, and how they work, and such and so forth

[rough cobalt]

yep

[dry knoll]

remember the frothing at the mouth about Space Marines and Multi-lasers

[untold mulch]

But that

There is the weapon that is specific built for shooting like crazy

and there is the charge pack that is a modification for specific cases

mostly for long las indeed when you only need to shoot a few times

Though a Long Las is awkward to use if we use the interpretation that all Las is visible

Shoot and run like crazy

[rough cobalt]

well at least there's a lot of people to replace dead sniper

😅

[untold mulch]

Indeed

But that

Playing T5, I need a bigger lasgun

[rough cobalt]

la kinda works

but not the best

at least I got good stats on mine

[untold mulch]

Infantry Lasguns are semiauto and their damage against Maulers make me cry

[rough cobalt]

Tru

[untold mulch]

Lucius is semiauto too and awkward to use for me but are very nice if you like dmr style

and Recon is a bad meme

[rough cobalt]

I still remember everyone using it when game started tho xD

tho i still used kantrel like now

[untold mulch]

Recon has been hit with the nerf bonk hard

[rough cobalt]

"no fun allowed"

[remote nebula]

what would you replace to get power cycler here? and what else to roll :o

sadly I've only got rank 3 power cycler for now, been very unlucky

this is still the best power sword I've gotten =_=

[tall torrent]

Supercharge -> PC4

[raw steppe]

supercharge -> PC, unarmored-> carapace

[junior needle]

It was still bad around release, people just didn't know any better and were mostly playing on malice

[tiny summit]

Helbores are actually full auto. Hold the trigger and time out the charge, it will start the next charge as you hold the trigger

[untold mulch]

KEK

[paper flax]

Does anyone know anything about the creature spawner mod? Trying to practice my DPS checks and the deamonhost just refuses to fight me no matter how badly I piss it off. I'm neither invisible nor invulnerable

[tiny summit]

Like...why. You already know people made full auto mods and you make the helbore of all things able to hold the trigger?

[torn gorge]

just use the full auto mod

[serene bough]

Yeah I use full auto mod for my infantry las

[slate sleet]

agrip brauto slaps

[untold mulch]

I use it but the feel ain't the same

Like you are talking to a guy

that the slight? ROF nerf of the laspistol in thsi patch

has made it uncomfortable to use

[agile forge]

Ok I finally got me the power sword VI + plasma meta weapons

game is on easy mode now

[serene bough]

You must lose your mind when using the blue stim

[tiny summit]

Weakness! I click for every one of my infantry las shot!

[serene bough]

I click for 90% of my shots

[tiny summit]

Though I like helbores more now

[serene bough]

The other 10% is for monkey brain mag dumping into clusters of enemies or shotgunner conga lines

[junior needle]

There's an option that turns on enemy hostility (and also your invulnerability on or off)

[remote nebula]

I don't know if I need carapace on it.. I've got weapons specialist as my keystone and even without it I can kill crushers in like 20 bullets with my MK IX Headhunter, I rarely if ever need to melee anything carapace and I never run out of ammo xD

[primal mesa]

You need at least 1 bot to fight a dh. If you are solo dh just leaves

It works like that in normal matches too

[tiny summit]

Yea but PS6 2 taps crushers

[civic knot]

Thx brunt 😆

[raw steppe]

I do see her point