veteran-class

[delicate rivet]

@strange sparrow thanks, i dont have the mod to test things out so thanks for the info

[untold mulch]

I want a Hellgun, I need more dakka

[rare tartan]

what you guys think yay or nay ?

[vernal harbor]

my most LETHAL and I’m talking DOME POPPIN build is ironically the revolver my zealot switches to for quick elite ranged kills before going back to melee, im a better vet as a zealot it’s insane

[tall torrent]

it is a one hit kill on most enemies in the game

[strange sparrow]

First time playing after revamp

[umbral scaffold]

Poor squishy vet mains

[strange sparrow]

that's like 3 months ago

dude probably can't dodge

KEKW

[jaunty tinsel]

I think lots of weapons could do with some tweaks, though none of them are SO bad that I'd immediately consider them trolling

[delicate rivet]

Thats hella cute n wholesome, MADE MY DAY!

[jaunty tinsel]

Though I personnally wish all ogryns used shields every time

[lean light]

Yes dear?

[umbral scaffold]

Reddit when the disabler kills you

[strange sparrow]

Tbh just don’t get hit

[sharp ember]

as a melk purchase? nay, headhunters do not want crucian

[strange sparrow]

Darktide have I-Frame

[lean light]

Just shoot everything

[strange sparrow]

How could you even take damage tbh

[lean light]

"I'm dying to melee NPC's!" Shoot them

?

[serene orbit]

Salvageable? damn it hadron

[rare tartan]

nah i upgraded it , was curious what would i get

[untold mulch]

I feel like yes?

Sometimes I have dodged into a sniper shot and depending on timing I got not damage

[umbral scaffold]

Not even joking
Why is "The disabler gets me I am squishy" an actual argument

[strange sparrow]

You legit have I-Frame

[serene orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-dread-loathing-gif-12805227

[wanton dawn]

Imagine not being able to OS crusher

[serene sage]

Idk how many bullets per second the gun shoots so I'm just basing it off of the amount of bullets it takes

On average, for a Reaper with 10,000 HP
15 stacks MF needs ~24.6 bullets to kill
8 stacks FR needs ~27.5 bullets to kill

[umbral scaffold]

Disablers make everyone squishy

They can't block

[sharp ember]

i don’t see the issue with this, keep maniac and BM

[junior needle]

You need flak and unarmored perks unless you're taking a lot of melee damage in the tree and have high stats. Not sure if that cuts it. Also you want headtaker. You can supposedly do without flak with enough damage.

[umbral scaffold]

[untold mulch]

That sounds like not worth the talent?

[strange sparrow]

That's good to know! Thanks

[umbral scaffold]

Weakest guardsman

[strange sparrow]

You took the way with the average E-damage hp thingy

[delicate rivet]

Yo..

[strange sparrow]

I like that

[tall torrent]

This is fine

[jaunty tinsel]

post sword

[serene sage]

this a naive as shit sim, probably something is wrong somewhere but the ballpark should be right

[sharp ember]

it’s useable but can’t be fully modified into a typical meta headhunter configuration

[umbral scaffold]

But but you see
You have to tag stuff

Tagging is bad cos

[delicate rivet]

@wanton dawn post sword

[umbral scaffold]

You lose the damage once you stop tagging

[junior needle]

Trapper nets and doges can be pretty BS still

[wanton dawn]

Don't try this at home kids

[strange sparrow]

@shut flax Here you go

At 40% it does better

[vernal harbor]

disabler goes from 20mph sprint to 0 because a cadian roared

[rare tartan]

i am curious is there any shotgun builds for vet ?

[umbral scaffold]

Oh I agree
It's just funny that the man was telling me veterans are squishy cos they get downed if they get net trapped

[untold mulch]

Dog be 360º pouncing to your ass in the other room

[vernal harbor]

who’s askin.

[umbral scaffold]

That's like
All the classes

[strange sparrow]

Maybe wrong maybe right idk but I believe MF serve a purpose

[jaunty tinsel]

excalibur....

[untold mulch]

Ogryn I guess

[umbral scaffold]

Sometimes dogs don't even stop

[wanton dawn]

It is a mod for testing in psy

[umbral scaffold]

I get actually pissed when they go from running into an instant leap

[vernal harbor]

Straight up just leap from the run

[untold mulch]

Rn my pain in the ass is Poxburster spawning from corners

[umbral scaffold]

When 9/10 times they stop

[umbral scaffold]

RIGHT
I'm not insane right

[untold mulch]

I have ascended beyond fear of Trappers

[umbral scaffold]

They do actually just

Go from sprint to jump

[rare tartan]

[untold mulch]

But Bursters are

[vernal harbor]

when a door opens and you get pounced the second the dog is visible

[wanton dawn]

In any case, you need 8 stacks of focus target to reach OS on crusher so no, it is not reliable

[umbral scaffold]

Been snagged by a dog before and I swear that little shit was just a jerk

[shut flax]

Ooooh nice

[serene sage]

Tag with Redirect Fire needs like 28.5 to kill one whole fewer bullet compared to not taking Redirect Fire

[vernal harbor]

play what you want, but the vet doesn’t really have anything directly buffing a shotgun, most of our stuff is mid-far range

[serene sage]

then again, this is very specific scenarios

[untold mulch]

What weapon? And I guess the keystones are bad on that one or just for that case?

[serene sage]

you don't always get full 8 stacks ping, full 15 stacks MF, etc.

[untold mulch]

I wish we could buff our close range damage when shooting

Me with brauto just going ham

[serene sage]

idk they just gave me the number they got from Psyk

I think this is for Columnus?

[jaunty tinsel]

15 stacks MF feels like a pipe dream for most weapons in the actual matches

[strange sparrow]

Whjose the guy just ask me about

Sniper Iframe

here you go

[wanton dawn]

Oh man, hadron got myself a present. Too bad it is a mk3

[untold mulch]

I wish weapon spec would be like 3% crit per melee kill and then 5 full seconds of the full crit

Only a single guaranteed crit is so fucking weird

[lofty lintel]

im getting bored of videogames

i think im playing too much

[serene sage]

yeah

[untold mulch]

Like as it is, feels like a Talent just for Revolver users

[serene sage]

also it varies wildly cause crit damage in this game is weird, literally case by case basis

[delicate rivet]

[untold mulch]

So at least snipers get you some I-frames

[strange sparrow]

everything have i-frame

[delicate rivet]

Got hit at the end HAHAHAHA SKILL ISS-ACK dead

[strange sparrow]

You just dont take damage even they're onto you

[untold mulch]

noted

[strange sparrow]

Yea I skilled issued

gonna show that I also fail you know smh

[untold mulch]

Time to i-frame the Crushe----

[strange sparrow]

Yes you can

[delicate rivet]

dead

[wanton dawn]

I just bought it and expected a brick

[strange sparrow]

I had done that multiple time kekW

[untold mulch]

I was mostly joking about mistiming it

[serene sage]

you're a quarter way there bud

[delicate rivet]

The fabled high base 370+ and a lvl 1 blessings

[wanton dawn]

already posted dude

Look up

[strange sparrow]

Here's me with the local wildlife

[wanton dawn]

Its a monster

[delicate rivet]

Almost guaranteed to have a lvl 4 blessing next

[untold mulch]

That blessing is just spitting on you

[serene sage]

oh lol

[untold mulch]

Damn that flick

[wanton dawn]

Hadron consumed all my luck for the next month

LOOK AT THIS

[strange sparrow]

The older I get the less time I got playing games

But atleast I get better

[wanton dawn]

I can even switch to sunder if I want

[delicate rivet]

Yeap, after i got my PCycle 4, the next 3 times i rolled i got 3x LVL3 Shattering Impact in a row for Plasma

[strange sparrow]

There is no real reason that player should be taking damage

I-frame are stupidly generous in this game

[terse idol]

Uh

Disagree

[strange sparrow]

My average damage taken with Vet is like

[terse idol]

You are a human

[strange sparrow]

Less than 200

[terse idol]

Things happen

[untold mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-the-souls-gif-9284477

T5 experience

[jaunty tinsel]

How do the damage mitigators on the defensive trinkets stack? If you get +20% resistance to bombers on all 3, is that 60% resistance?

[untold mulch]

I need to replay DS3

[gilded rock]

I think honestly that is one of very few scenarios where dog is actually threatening, I say let them have that little unpredictability just like a disease-ridden dog would

[strange sparrow]

I mean yeah, but people are arguing that Vets need to have better tanking stuff

[delicate rivet]

“When does it end?” Hint:it never ends

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/malenia-malenia-blade-of-miquella-malenia-the-severed-malenia-godess-of-rot-easy-gif-25108469

[tall torrent]

It’s multiplicative
x0.8 x0.8 x0.8 = x0.512

[untold mulch]

I think is math bs so you end with 50ish

[strange sparrow]

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah

[strange sparrow]

And not blaming on skill issue

[umbral scaffold]

I just want consistency myslef

[terse idol]

I mean they are squishy

[strange sparrow]

So I’m just stating that you could just you know

Dodge better

[umbral scaffold]

I don't mind running jump dogs

[jaunty tinsel]

That's really nice actually.

[terse idol]

Its like saying zealot has infinite iframes

Or psyker has infinite iframes

[jaunty tinsel]

Tired of fire bomber area denial fucking me over

[umbral scaffold]

But when 80% of them stop

[terse idol]

Because of dodge

[umbral scaffold]

Hhhh

[jaunty tinsel]

Half damage would be really nice.

[terse idol]

Technically everyone has infinite iframes with dodge

[strange sparrow]

They do thou

[untold mulch]

I need 2 more gunner curio

Too many fucking gunners in T5

[umbral scaffold]

I've had a game where I had to dive into the fire cos 3 bombers just flamed a corridor for like 20 seconds straight

[tall torrent]

It’s diminishing returns and I don’t recommend taking more than 2
Also bomber resistance is not good

[umbral scaffold]

Fuckin awful

[strange sparrow]

Which mean that everything just boils down to down to skill

[terse idol]

But most other classes have ways to reduce damage vet does too to be fair

[gilded rock]

I do lots of melee on vet with OG chord and it works pretty well, I feel like I'm tanky enough with 2x toughness and 1x hp curios

[jaunty tinsel]

Why isn't it good?

[terse idol]

Yes and we are not TaS computers

[strange sparrow]

I feel like you’re arguing without

Context rn

[terse idol]

Or programs

[tall torrent]

Because it doesn’t reduce the flame dmg iirc

[jaunty tinsel]

wtf? LOL

[strange sparrow]

Or simply just want to argue

[tall torrent]

Just initial blast

[jaunty tinsel]

the fire is the only problem

[terse idol]

Well the context from what ya said was people were saying vets are too squishy

[tall torrent]

And bomber flames are not as dangerous as before

No longer instant break toughness

[delicate rivet]

No it reduces the kick 🦵 from the bomber when u get close

[terse idol]

You responded by saying people shouldn't be taking damage because iframes are so generous

[lime gyro]

tox flamers r worse then bomber flames imo

[delicate rivet]

Thats all

[strange sparrow]

Start here

#veteran-class message

Then we will talk about it

[jaunty tinsel]

what an incredible trait that we would always see benefit from

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/kiera-katsura-beestation-ss13-kiera-katsura-gif-25417004

[jaunty tinsel]

Fine. 5% more toughness it is...

[terse idol]

Okay fair enouugh

[untold mulch]

Just dodge duh 🗿 is not like half of atoma is attacking at you

[lime gyro]

For the perks on my curios i run toughness health corruption resistance and toughness regen

[untold mulch]

hol up

[lime gyro]

and block efficiency cuz i main dclaw

[delicate rivet]

I want poxburster curio

[untold mulch]

SS13 meme

[terse idol]

I mean sure

[gilded rock]

One time I was desperately fighting a horde at 1 hit on my zealot, and a bomber that I dodged backwards into kicked me

Bro definitely got an ego boost

[delicate rivet]

See if u had that Bomber resistance now..

[jaunty tinsel]

Now imagine how much damage you would have prevented if you took +20% Damage Resistance

yea LOL

[gilded rock]

Ikr

[terse idol]

TO BE FAIR, I mean you can't dodge a trapper trap standing in the same place can you? @strange sparrow

You won't be able to dodge the net like you would be able to just use iframes against a sniper

[delicate rivet]

Smh skill issue

[jaunty tinsel]

Maybe sometime Fatshark will add a Fire resistance curio

[strange sparrow]

Let me check that

[terse idol]

But fr it is a skill issue

[jaunty tinsel]

And we can finally play the game without getting area denial'd for 15 seconds

[strange sparrow]

I never test out trapper as I always fuck with them

[terse idol]

Unless you over-dodge or get stuck you should be okay

[delicate rivet]

Only enemie type that make me panic are trappers 💯

[strange sparrow]

I probably need to wear earphone for this

[sudden dome]

nothings worse than hearing a trapper as soon as you slide and youre stuck in the animation until youre trapped

its like a full second of giving up

[untold mulch]

Those days when fire stopped instantly killing your toughness

Instead just instantly killing your soul

[delicate rivet]

Classic Fatshark

[terse idol]

Did you play CM back in the day?

[shut flax]

Huh, so you don't really need Precision Striked (+30% weak spot damage) on a crit columnus

[terse idol]

Or tgmc

[gilded rock]

Imagine if sniper resist only helped with his kick too

[untold mulch]

Gotta love them pushing an update without testing

[sudden dome]

I liked when fires killed you in 4 seconds, atleast when it was only bombers

[delicate rivet]

Actually…

[untold mulch]

I played I think CM and another with less "canon" weaponry

Liked a bit more the second one, the first one Xenomorphs were too tanky

[jaunty tinsel]

"see,t he sniper isn't actually attacking you, it's just the laser discharged from his weapon that actually damages you..."

[gilded rock]

Nahh no way

[delicate rivet]

I seek more knowledgeable vets to answer this

[sudden dome]

tgmc is pretty great, I did some minor modding on it and added what I liked into the game.

[untold mulch]

I remember being captured by the Xenos, them not knocking me out correctly

Me with the radio and a coordinate designator Shoot on my position lads, its been a good run

[gilded rock]

I will also ask zealot chat, they like knowing the behind-the-scenes stuff a lot

[jaunty tinsel]

TGMC is fun, I just wish it had CM's playerbase

instead of TGMC's playerbase

if you know what i mean

[untold mulch]

Been a year or so since, so I onyl remember

Delta Squad being unhinged maniacs

[sudden dome]

nah 60 player tgmc is peak if it has 100, which it sometimes does, its a marine stomp because server lag sides with them and aim mode gives them a wall of bullets

[strange sparrow]

Yea that's true

[untold mulch]

Bravo doing everything

Alpha just being there

Charlie was the wildcard

[jaunty tinsel]

No I mean quality ofp layers, not quantity

[terse idol]

Ooh the ss13 players vibing

[jaunty tinsel]

I wish people at least tried to pretend it was still an RP game instead of just an arcade shooter

[strange sparrow]

The thing about trapper thou is this...

[terse idol]

I swear I saw ya... on the discord at least

[sudden dome]

I wouldnt know what youre talking about then, Im mostly a medic in both and front line marines are pretty bad at fighting

[jaunty tinsel]

There's way better games out there if I just wanted to blast

[gilded rock]

The wise have spoken, sniper resist does actually help with the shot

[jaunty tinsel]

like Darktide

[untold mulch]

I am waiting for SS14, because the engine of SS13 just was murdering my soul

[terse idol]

[sudden dome]

are you saying the femboy brigade and grapist squad arent good enough for you

[strange sparrow]

Just walk...

[terse idol]

It's just gonna take a whiiile until it actually gets there

[untold mulch]

I think I may have been? not completely sure

Does the name Kiyoshi Caune familiar to you?

[terse idol]

But it could be the future

[gilded rock]

I figured it felt like less damage from a shot before after I put it on

[jaunty tinsel]

Or people talking about Trump on the radio, unfortunately

[terse idol]

Nooo maybe?
I dun remeber

I was just Evelyn Phillips

[sudden dome]

havent heard that one, probably because Im too busy killing or healing to listen to anything but giant letters

[untold mulch]

That

[terse idol]

Tooooo long since I touched any ss13

[delicate rivet]

Go closer

[untold mulch]

I may actually have seen you

[terse idol]

[untold mulch]

that name is familiar

[terse idol]

Yeah naw I rember ya on the discord I think but probably a different name

Yuhh

[strange sparrow]

At about 5meter or closer, you would need to dodge technically

[untold mulch]

Small world

[terse idol]

Damn darktide bringing the CM homies

[strange sparrow]

But their aggro range is so far that you could move away

[terse idol]

Helll yee

[untold mulch]

I kept with my friend that did medic stuff

and I was his bodyguard

[delicate rivet]

Tfw i run slower than trapper

[jaunty tinsel]

Basically TGMC is a better game but the players are insufferable

[gilded rock]

The wise have spoken again, bomber resist ACTUALLY applies to the bombs now, they changed that a bit before class update if he's correct

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

[untold mulch]

Also once accidnetally getting lost behind xeno lines

and ended up accidentally duoing the Queen

[serene sage]

what's tgmc

[strange sparrow]

Remember, don’t blame your team or your build if you fail a match

[untold mulch]

EAT PLASMA

[untold mulch]

ss13 server

[serene sage]

what the fuck is ss13

[strange sparrow]

Technically it’s your skill issue that lead up to that point

[inland orchid]

space station 13

[untold mulch]

Pure Undiluted Autism

[shut flax]

We talking Kenshi levels?

[junior needle]

The psyk is locally hosted, so you always have 0 ping and no connection fuckery. Actual gameplay can be much different (and inconsistent) and I've been netted doing exactly that in live matches.

[inland orchid]

Even more

[serene sage]

what

[inland orchid]

Considering how the actions of that game works

[serene sage]

never heard of it

[inland orchid]

Good

[strange sparrow]

I had those experience before

[serene sage]

is that the actual name lmao

[junior needle]

I've literally dodged, watched the net fly past me, and then got netted

[shut flax]

Impossible. That's From the Depths level.

[inland orchid]

Yea

[strange sparrow]

But I found the game punish me lesser despite so

[untold mulch]

I loved once getting a FaceHugger

Going to ship, getting surgery to pull it out

Wonder midfight why I am constantly losing blood

FUCKING MEDIC FORGOT TO CLOSE MY CHEST

[strange sparrow]

since I play on NA more than APAC

[untold mulch]

[sudden dome]

dont join, most servers are burning with the amount of players and the ones without that many arent worth playing. Except eris

[junior needle]

But if you mean you shouldn't dodge backwards then yeah, don't do that to nets

[strange sparrow]

It happens certainly

[serene sage]

i have zero desire no worries

the graphics looks like they are from the 2000s

[untold mulch]

That is half the fun

[sudden dome]

pretty sure therye older than that

[serene sage]

i didn't know it was popular though

[untold mulch]

BYOND is such a shit engine

[strange sparrow]

To be honest, Darktide enemy right now

[inland orchid]

Ss13? Popular?

[serene sage]

i guess time isn't something that they can get byond

[strange sparrow]

I don’t really respect any one of em

[inland orchid]

[strange sparrow]

Like individually

Except daemonhost

[sudden dome]

I mean its got 2000 players at all times its doing decent

[serene sage]

do you know how many the binding of isaac has?

[sudden dome]

no but alot of AAA games cant keep that many players

[untold mulch]

I mean 2000 players ocnsidered the game rans like shit and is so fucking old

is pretty fucking good

[serene sage]

yeah no it's respectable

[sudden dome]

its a 20 year old game

[inland orchid]

Single player/multiplayer vs a game with only multiplayer

[strange sparrow]

I hope the game difficulty scale better with the quality of individual enemy rather than quantity of enemy

[sudden dome]

keeping 2000 players during weekdays

[untold mulch]

I am tempted to download BYOND again

[serene sage]

tbf that is more of a case for isaac and against ss13 tbh

[untold mulch]

but goddammit I do not have the freetime

[serene sage]

cause isaac has like 20k

[strange sparrow]

Currently Auric Mael is just AI director wilding out

[untold mulch]

for 4 hour long sessions

[sudden dome]

56% time dialation xeno chess

[untold mulch]

God that karking time a round lasted 3-4 hours

and the admins were like guys stop please

I beg you

[terse idol]

Most cm rounds lasted 4 rounds sometimes

[tiny summit]

best fatshark will do is "oops all gunners/ragers"

[serene sage]

I'm so confused

[sudden dome]

I love rounds where I can die 5 times and still come back and make a difference

[terse idol]

Either you hit the xeno speed run, marine speed run or everyone was stuuuck

[untold mulch]

The last ones are the best

[inland orchid]

Welcome to SS13 lol

[serene sage]

Oops indeed. But I'd rather take them instead of shooter spam

[untold mulch]

Also that time I did mortar duty

[inland orchid]

Most the shit u understand has already gone to the past

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/im-dead-inside-gif-24379276

[serene sage]

Like gunners are a lot less scary than shooters

[untold mulch]

MADLAD SL, getting the xenos boxed in

[sudden dome]

alright 2 hour rounds are hell as medic though, corpse piles everywhere 12+ people dead at a time with 2 people trying to do treatment

[strange sparrow]

Ragers is a joke to me

[tiny summit]

I mean if theres gunners, theres riflemen

[untold mulch]

Get all the pills and lets karking go

UNGA

[inland orchid]

Much like irl, medical is understaffed

[umbral scaffold]

by the throne one hell of a match. NO SURENDDER

[strange sparrow]

If I’m hellbore

Throw a shredder and stab

If I’m CIAG, they’re dead

[untold mulch]

My friend got so damn efficient in pulling people from death

[tiny summit]

fatshark gonna nerf helbore stagger. I can feel it

[untold mulch]

Pull body, armor off, check injuries, treatment, good enough FUCK OFF

[sudden dome]

hypos save lives

[strange sparrow]

Reddit say it need buff WDYM

ITS UNUSABLE LEGATE

[serene sage]

Reddit says Bolter needs 2x damage UwU

[tiny summit]

you right, you right

[terse idol]

Not having all your meds fully stocked

Lord forbid a runner hid in the ship

Fucking kills you

[strange sparrow]

Fr

[junior needle]

I'd much prefer the bolter didn't feel super clunky

[untold mulch]

I ended up being a cargo mule for my doc

always had a pouch for him to cram more meds

[junior needle]

And that fatshark stopped balancing weapons with jank

[untold mulch]

I swear SS13 Colonial Marines was so damn intense

between danger close

scarily cunning xeno players

[serene sage]

Also, you can double your damage with a shotgun

[untold mulch]

and dumbasses in your own team

[sudden dome]

if I use up my 3rd pill bottle you know the rounds about to get bad

[serene sage]

So the full auto mod is bugged for shotguns

Sometimes you can do double shots with it

And double your DPS

[sudden dome]

the great part about tgmc is that everyone has their own drugs so its much more likely you just get killed than you run out of pills

[untold mulch]

Any sign of damage

Take pill

[terse idol]

Well the silly part is either its gonna go bad or the marines are 1 or 2 steps from winning

[sudden dome]

the worst felling in CM is being like 2 screens behind the front line treating bodies and you just see the queen with 4 t3s pull up on you and you know it was a full wipe

[untold mulch]

I think the moment I really sunk in CM SS13

Was with my friend guarding a door

for like an hour

a rando joined us

and we were just vibin and joking

And taking potshots at Runners

also another we doing the same

a mf dual handing 2 shotguns, passes, opens the gate and continues

"Where you going?"

Dude turns around.

"Unga"

leaves

[sudden dome]

walking around the middle with a slug shotgun and a friend just hopping a lurker comes to fuck around and find out

[untold mulch]

I still have no idea how tf once we 2v1 the queen

Xeno players were so malding on chat

[sudden dome]

mod88s thats how, I got the queen to run away solo using 2 of those, which by the way if you land all your shots within 1 tile will just straight kill her

the mosst useless broken gun

7 falloff

[untold mulch]

I did it with the energy rifle and the other had a machinegun? idk

Just constnatly shooting and backtracking

30 seconds after the kill half the map appeared and ganked us to death, not even capture

[sudden dome]

walls off your bodies just so the next queen can rip your head off

[untold mulch]

[serene bough]

what game

[untold mulch]

SS13

[sudden dome]

CM ss13

[untold mulch]

The colonial marines servers were just peak gaming

[serene bough]

oh lol ss13

wish i got to play that

[untold mulch]

war is hell

[untold mulch]

still can

[serene bough]

i dont have the time to learn such a thing

[untold mulch]

Fair enough

[sudden dome]

its actually at a peak, some russian steamed it and added like 400 new players

and bby 400 I mean at all times so its probably more like a few thousand

[untold mulch]

SS14 any day so we cna have an engine that doesn't dies at a breeze

🙏

[serene bough]

games like that are a time capsule for early 2000s internet era

[untold mulch]

PRETTY MUCH

[sudden dome]

theres not alot to learn in CM, just point your gun and shoot

yes sir no sir

[serene bough]

something about the endless creativity and freedom that you cant find often in modern gamign

[untold mulch]

And don't follow Delta

Delta Squad are 4chan level mental

in both spectrums

[sudden dome]

If Im randomed into delta I stay with beta and pretend I got lost and dont want to go out alone

[untold mulch]

I was a fan of mostly charlie

[sudden dome]

and yes theyre called beta not bravo, but the grapists are indeed best squad

[flint onyx]

The emperor provides, now let's see how Hadron "improves" it

[untold mulch]

oh it was beta?

My mind was making me write beta, but I was like "no it should be bravo tf"

[sudden dome]

some people like to pretend theyre bravo but youre standing around the FOB all day because youre affraid to die, youre beta

[untold mulch]

🫡

[untold mulch]

Someone had to do it

Also shooting the mortar was surprinsignly fun

"142, 250. Copy"

"FIRING"

[sudden dome]

sneak a backpack full of booze down is the only acceptable way to play in the FOB

[untold mulch]

"Ready for next round"

[flint onyx]

Is this salvageable?

[untold mulch]

I ended up making a few macros to use all expected generic quotes for mortar to inform the team when I could help

[sudden dome]

I mean its passable, replace all or nothing and crit damage

[untold mulch]

I guess you can empty your stamina on purpose

Hadron takes another victim

[sudden dome]

just keep waiting on your god roll

[flint onyx]

What do I replace them with?

Thrust for all or nothing?

[sudden dome]

probably thunderstrike or trauma and just play like a crusher zealot

maximum impact minimal damage

uncanny strike and thrust seem like the best blessings for it

[sharp ember]

i would keep All or Nothing over having thunderstrike, and crit dmg to Flak

[flint onyx]

Why did the robot lady do this to me?

[sharp ember]

ah and it's a mk7 shovel too

that has a good push attack combo, 3 overhead chops

[untold mulch]

She gains power for each grief she gives to someone

by end of the game lifespan, she will become the new Chaos god

[sudden dome]

sounds like some warp based power maybe she was the real traitor and ratted out of the other lady to cover the tracks

[flint onyx]

No kidding

[serene sage]

and then said person was made into a servitor which is done by the mechnicus, likely hardron

oddly convenient eh?

[untold mulch]

PERFECT PLAN

[wanton dawn]

Man, if I have a nickel for every maelstrom that starts like it was a melee only with only crusher mauler and scab, I would have 2 nickels, which is not much but it strange that it happened twice today

[serene sage]

i don't vibe with melee mostly
it limits the number of equipments you can bring imo

[wanton dawn]

The point is: it was not melee only

[serene sage]

most other mael are cool though, except that one

well scab only no ammo isn't much better

[wanton dawn]

it was not scab only either

Just standard maelstrom

Where I don't meet any ranged till the 3rd room

or more

[strange sparrow]

I love scab only mael

Best most

[sharp ember]

we love our superheavy melee elite horde

[strange sparrow]

Fuck dreg gunner

[wanton dawn]

It is very easy to notice with exec stance cuz you know, wall hack

[strange sparrow]

No fuck DREG AS A FACTION

[wanton dawn]

So when I see only mauler as far as the eye can see, I ask myself question

[sharp ember]

where's (Mostly Ranged Dregs)

[serene sage]

it feel like too few ranged weapons like that modifier

mostly the stuff I play don't like carapace spam

[strange sparrow]

Hellbore Mk2 love it

Also IAG with Onslaught

[sharp ember]

iag with what

oh right

[strange sparrow]

Talent -40% brittleness

[sharp ember]

I was thinking about the karking helbore blessing

good naming overlap

[strange sparrow]

Turn every armoured enemy into Tofu

[serene sage]

thanks Obama

I mean FS

[strange sparrow]

Obama care cause this fr

[sharp ember]

i gotta get headhunter on my headhunter

[strange sparrow]

Gonna get my Stormtrooper in stormtrooper gauntlet

[serene sage]

Biden was the admin during the vet tree debacle at patch 13 and 15

[untold mulch]

I need a Hellgun for Stormtrooper

[serene sage]

why didn't Biden do anything to help

damn liberals

[strange sparrow]

Damn the liberals

Imagine not helping

[serene sage]

Okay chat, hear me out

[shut flax]

Not the Obamnassiah

[untold mulch]

Oh boi

🍿

[serene sage]

All I am saying is
Gets Hot and Volatile names should be swapped

Volatile should means crit when hot
Gets Hot should means faster charge cause the gun gets hot faster

chat is quiet because it makes too much sense

I understand

[sharp ember]

rare take

i approve 📥

[untold mulch]

I hear your arguments

To the fire witch

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

To the fire fr

Bidenmisiah wouldn’t allow this

Thy heretic die

[shut flax]

Just started running this build with a deadshot Columnus and gotta say, I don't think I've felt more consistently powerful before.

[serene sage]

ew meta chaser

[junior needle]

Yeah the ciag has the longest crit strings

And massive finesse modifiers

On top of the highest dps for automatics

[shut flax]

Is it meta? I thought revo and plasma were meta atm

[strange sparrow]

10% rending isn’t the best for my taste

[junior needle]

Very meta

[serene sage]

it's a trio

Plasma Rev Colum

[strange sparrow]

But I don’t use keystone for columnus so my opinion is skewed

[junior needle]

You want the 10% rending, trust me

[terse idol]

Columnus iag one of de best weapo

[shut flax]

10% rending is good for crits

[untold mulch]

Hear crit strings

Me a Recon enjoyer: 😭

[shut flax]

Eh. Whatevs. Columnus is fun.

[gilded rock]

I'm not like other columnus users, I actually like the fastest full-auto option in games I play 💅

[raw steppe]

10% rending gives you about 17% more damage at range falloff, cuz base ADM is like 60% iirc

[junior needle]

This is the falloff chart for ciag

[untold mulch]

Dakka is important

[junior needle]

Rending counters falloff

[strange sparrow]

I don’t, because I fail to find significant result except rending help me BP 1 mag body shot them

[junior needle]

You want rending

[strange sparrow]

Oh yea could you help me find something out

I done a testing this evening about Hellbore

[shut flax]

You could run MF if you want 20% rending, but you'll miss out on stamina or onslaught

[junior needle]

beeg damage falloff

BEEG

[jaunty tinsel]

My man.

[strange sparrow]

I can’t find its inverse damage fall off on it

[serene sage]

yknow for some reasons I have never vibed with automatic weapons

[strange sparrow]

For some reason

[jaunty tinsel]

I just refuse to use Autoguns on principle. That's the weapon of civilians and traitors.

[serene sage]

I don't like em

[junior needle]

The recon 6d fires faster

[junior needle]

Should be under stopping power

[jaunty tinsel]

Does brittleness just increase damage taken?

[strange sparrow]

#veteran-class message

[serene sage]

yeah

[gilded rock]

True, I wish recon wasn't so mid or I'd be using that cuz laser

[strange sparrow]

I get the same damage from 0m-5-m-10m-20m

[serene sage]

additive though, it's like reding but as a debuff

[shut flax]

Could use Helbore

[swift ingot]

Semi auto high damage weapons have always been my preference

[serene sage]

samesies

[junior needle]

For unarmored and infested it should be under damage

[strange sparrow]

The thing was the damage was consistently the same

I don’t get what’s wrong with it

[junior needle]

Are you using a gray talent tree

[strange sparrow]

Yes

[junior needle]

Empty, excuse me. Are you standing far enough away?

[strange sparrow]

Onslaught and Surgical blessing only

[junior needle]

I will test this

[strange sparrow]

The picture was very very far away

[sick oak]

can this be saved?

[strange sparrow]

I don’t know why it doesn’t do anything

[junior needle]

Can't recommend smackdown, I think raw is better

But yeah riposte works but you want uncanny as your blessing first and foremost

And smackdown is uh

yikes

[strange sparrow]

I don’t get what I done wrong here

[inland orchid]

Is the talent selected?

[strange sparrow]

No talent

[inland orchid]

Then why expect damage up?

Me confused

[strange sparrow]

You can see from the buff screen

[junior needle]

certain lasguns have inverse falloff

[strange sparrow]

I’m expect one value lower and one value higher

[junior needle]

Becoming stronger at range and weaker close

Appears to work fine on maniacs

[strange sparrow]

Could you try on normals

[sick oak]

so just change blessings?

[strange sparrow]

I want to see whether it’s a bug on my end

[junior needle]

That's what I'd recommend. You have flak so it's not the worst.

[junior needle]

You mean unarmored?

Lemme do something rq and I can

[strange sparrow]

Yes dreg stalker Unarmored

Also I use full charged shot in the picture

Instead of uncharged

[serene bough]

inb4 charge shot has no inverse falloff

[umbral scaffold]

gonna play maelstrom with a recon lets hope my teammates dont kick me cause they assume im throwin the game

[strange sparrow]

Gaslight them

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

[modest sapphire]

If it’s pubs they’ll be running super soakers filled with piss so I wouldn’t worry

[umbral scaffold]

i kinda got a poopy roll on a 378 recon, its the slow firing one

hadron bricked it but i put dumdum and maniac on it at least

[junior needle]

Recon users typically don't get kicked, even if they perform very poorly

Leaving the lobby if you see one happens decently often though

I've only ever seen someone kicked a handful of times

in 1200+ hours

[raw steppe]

rending only applies to non- unarmored non-infested

fyi

[junior needle]

That's for damage falloff

[strange sparrow]

I’m aware, I’m asking about why no damage falloff

I got very confused at that testing

So I just wonder whether is my psyk bugged or something

The only thing that may fuck around is just blessing and perks but those doesn’t play too much in Damage falloff (?)

Surgical and Onslaught in this case

[strange sparrow]

Could you do a charged shot variant to it?

Just to make sure I’m not going crazy

[near shore]

what if i did this
vet skill: leave nobody behind
+10% revive speed x 3

[spark helm]

Chances are they're more than capable of fucking themselves up.

[near shore]

wonder how quick id be

[spark helm]

Only issue I can see with that is when you're just in runs where people are playing clean enough to not really warrant it. Very nice for a hyper gambling on your life build though.

Recommend at least taking something for combat ability cdr.

[near shore]

well in an optimal run, nobody goes down

[spark helm]

I don't mean it like that, just where people aren't struggling much even in shitty scenarios.

[near shore]

but it's more im curious, vs it being useful

[spark helm]

Not the vacuous perfect run.

I say just try it out. Never know

Fuck the math after a certain point, go in the field. Leave the lab.

[near shore]

imagine tho, if u did all that on 3 +3 stamina curios w/ +stamina from vet tree and +2 on weapon

[spark helm]

Finish the research.

I don't really know how stamina works tbh when it comes to blocking.

[junior needle]

You are not, at least on the hb1. Charging in this instance seems to have normalized damage across ranges.

[spark helm]

Sometimes it feels like it doesn't matter.

[serene bough]

congrats on your discovery @strange sparrow

[near shore]

well im talking abput stamina used if u take dmg while picking someone up

[spark helm]

Mhm. I'd say Mayne like.

[near shore]

cause id be uhhh +12 stamina

[spark helm]

I'd go with maybe 6-7 blocks worth of stamina?

[strange sparrow]

I hate this game

[junior needle]

Strangely it still functions on not unarmored

[jaunty tinsel]

People who attribute ability purely to weapon selection generally suck.

[spark helm]

I use wep specialist a lot with stamina interactions so I'm lucky enough with what I got.

[near shore]

i usually throw stamina to the wind

[jaunty tinsel]

Some guns are harder to use than others, but none of them are honestly inherently trolling

[eternal sable]

replace both blessings

[spark helm]

But I don't have builds that are super concerned with stamina inherently.

[eternal sable]

melee damage to elites is good and flak is really good on knife

[serene bough]

may as well test flak, cara, and unyielding now

[strange sparrow]

Try it on flak, I found that doesn’t do anything too

[jaunty tinsel]

They're the sort of people in league who only play meta champs and wonder why they're still in gold

[eternal sable]

uncanny + bleed blessing and its saved

[spark helm]

Just ones with either stamina stability or just a healthy amount

[junior needle]

Slow firing one is in 2nd place dps wise when built

However on flak

[strange sparrow]

Which is weird to me too

[near shore]

uncanny bleed knife is nuts for vs armor

[strange sparrow]

OKAYYY IM GOING TO SLEEP

THANK YOU FS FOR IDK

WTF IS TIS

[junior needle]

I assume the falloff tables were scuffed by accident

[eternal sable]

you guys should save yourselves a lot of heart ache and never use a helbore

[spark helm]

Fait enough. I just hate league at this point lol

[eternal sable]

just roll a revolver or plasma

[spark helm]

Cannot stand playing that game

[serene bough]

does it also apply for cara & unyielding though/

[jaunty tinsel]

League sucks, meta monkeys just aren't doing themselves any favors in getting good though

[spark helm]

Strictly because of the attitude of most pub players. Most self-entitled lot next to toxic ow ppls

[jaunty tinsel]

You were talking about it earlier, actually knowing how to play the game is what matters

[spark helm]

And without any of the skill to back up the attitude usually.

[junior needle]

Also vs everything, because even if you're going purely up from 100%, each stack of uncanny is 6% damage at t4.

[spark helm]

Or if they do have the skill, they're actually just outmatching people weaker than them

The moment they get high enough on ladder and have to start changing their rotation of obvious approaches, suddenly they just can't do anything.

Shocker.

[junior needle]

Are you asking for uncanny or these helbore falloff oddities

[serene bough]

yes and carapace

for helbore

[near shore]

my bad i meant "ruthless back stab + mercy killer" knife

[serene bough]

(I read uncanny as unyielding oops)

[near shore]

its nutty vs crushers

[junior needle]

I find uncanny to be better value overall

[spark helm]

I was maybe two days older when 69 mentioned how some blessings work with hellbores.

[shut flax]

Pubs are a magical place

[spark helm]

Did not know that the game allowed for that logic tbh. It seems obvious though

[near shore]

prob? but i like 1-2 shotting crushers with a knife in .4 seconds

FS doesnt seem to realize, u can cancel the punch for an immediate overhead strike on knife

[spark helm]

I'd consider a crit infiltrate build with hellbore and combat knife now.

[spark helm]

They do. It's why it's in the game

I only recently noticed that the followup actually is a heavy.

[white minnow]

that's an intentional mechanic that you can thank certain play testers for

[spark helm]

Thought it was a light.

[near shore]

do u realziw how fast it lets u kill crushers?

its a heavy

[spark helm]

We're new to each other. I'm old with combat knives though.

[near shore]

if u time it right, u can heavy stupidlt fast

[spark helm]

I'm very well aware.

[junior needle]

Can you make a video? I want to see

I didn't cancel the special and just let it ride

[spark helm]

It's why I have Haymaker with riposte on one of my knives. As a meme but it works on my zealot really well.

[near shore]

I can't, but I can VC and stream if you'd like

[spark helm]

It's a very fast heavy setup.

You just flip the knife and stab down

[near shore]

Usually one the first hit I let the punch go through,to cause bleed

[spark helm]

It feels faster than normal heavies but the break from the special attack can make you vulnerable in those really right moments

[junior needle]

obs is free

[spark helm]

It is definitely worth it in combination with your push attacks though. Or deliberately whiffing it to set it up.

[near shore]

It's funny that u can bleed with a punch and immediately heavy after

[junior needle]

Damage increases over distance vs carapace, but unyielding is flat.

[spark helm]

You can also play the dangerous game letting yourself get close to rager pits and darting in and out, weaving the whiffed special heavy followup with it. You just CANNOT miss.

[serene bough]

thank you for your service

[spark helm]

If you do. Eh. Rager combos. You already know what happens next lol

[junior needle]

Only applies to charged shots btw

[idle pecan]

would infernus and HH be good on Kantrael XII

[junior needle]

HH is, infernus is not

[spark helm]

I wouldn't but you can if you want.

Maybe on the the fast one.

[serene bough]

HH & DA for kantrael 12

[atomic zephyr]

what's a good gun to pair with a chainaxe?

[placid portal]

after using claw mk7 I see why people like that more than cheese hole mk4

[near shore]

I can stream it in a VC for you really quick

[spark helm]

I'd say headhunter is the real meat of the lasgun blessing combos but headhunter with deadly accurate is just that safe and synergistic.

[idle pecan]

what gun would be good with infernus?

[copper vapor]

Is +5% crit mandatory on vet combat blade? With Reciprocity and desperado I'm not sure if this is BiS for perks...

[placid portal]

Not many

[spark helm]

Depends on what you're going for.

[placid portal]

Nah

[atomic zephyr]

its a melee build pimarily

[junior needle]

It's a mediocre at best and usually bad blessing. Mostly laspistol and recons, but recons are dumpster tier right now.

[spark helm]

Not really? It helps of that's the point of your build but it's not that good.

In terms of what else you can do using the knives.

[copper vapor]

I think I want Unyielding but idk if I should replace flak or maniac

[junior needle]

Eh, just tell me how you do it and I'll recreate it. All I need to know is the cancelling method

[spark helm]

Unfortunately you don't have the luxuries of zealot

[placid portal]

Luv me rending backstabbings

[near shore]

knife special atack, and like half way through the punch use a light melee

[spark helm]

If you're solid with your horde clear with it and other weapons in your buiod then drop flak imo

[placid portal]

iirc the light after special attack is like a heavy 1 right?

[spark helm]

Yes

It can be inputted like a light though

It's just that fast

But you can hold it

[copper vapor]

CB horde clear isn't hard to input, dropping flak it is then, thanks for the advice

[spark helm]

You trying to just hurt specials, elites and bosses better?

[copper vapor]

I just miss running fast for plasteel tbh xD

[placid portal]

Unyielding for the funny 2 shot crit backstabs

[spark helm]

I haven't gotten another mercy killer-flesh knife on vet in a while

[tranquil bronze]

The game seems dead set on wanting me to keep this one, because no other MG XII I have found is as good.

[spark helm]

But riposte with mercy isn't bad

[near shore]

just did 12k on a crit knife backstab

[copper vapor]

And since Cb can horde+elite+boss it's just ideal

[placid portal]

I am still searching for manstopper on shotguns

[spark helm]

I like to mob and move from mobs into gunners a lot on my zealot. With vet, I'm usually using my gun more frequently.

[junior needle]

I'm not sure how you could manage to reach that unless something isn't working right

[near shore]

love the knife lol, fucking 12000 dmg on a beast of nurgle

wait

it can go higher

[spark helm]

You moisten them up with lights then go for the atab usually when you can.

[near shore]

lemme SC

[spark helm]

Like max their bleed stacks or whatever then go for infiltrate stab.

I haven't gotten dmg like that like that but it's a chunk

[near shore]

lmao just like 4 shot a beast of nurgle

[spark helm]

In my experience, close but not more than zealot big backstab.

Plus idk if this is a weakened beast or not.

I don't number in this game really.

[obsidian island]

Help. What (if anything) should I swap? Unyielding for +5% crit chance?

[spark helm]

Well

[placid portal]

Surgical

[spark helm]

You don't have anything ad on paper really. But if you want more dmg swap gloryhunter.

[junior needle]

You mean like this? It does prevent the punch from landing, which is helpful for shroud zealot.

[terse idol]

Damn that is weird

[junior needle]

You want surgical for sure unless you're going weapon spec, replace glory for that.

[near shore]

u can do it a bit faster

dont need the full punch

[junior needle]

That's as fast as I can get it on the mk3 without getting a light attack, the punch isn't actually landing but comes out near instantly.

[near shore]

heres proof

[obsidian island]

Much appreciated gents

[spark helm]

Also volatile and blaze away are the dream plasma gun combo.

[near shore]

15790 dmg a single stab

[junior needle]

Oh, you're using power boosts

[near shore]

without is nearly 12k

[spark helm]

I don't use plasma guns that much

[near shore]

ill show without

[junior needle]

Show the knife and the tree if you don't mind, I want to test it.

[stable socket]

isn't the fastest way to get heavy-level damage push attack spam? the knife push attack is bonkers

[spark helm]

It's one way. I use the punch though in a lot situations where I'm at a loss for setting up heavies and need to keep attacking with mouth burning stamina for another push attack. I don't have high stamina on average.

[near shore]

if u want max dmg, the first punch needs to connect

no power boost

[serene bough]

chonky damage

[near shore]

its nutty

[serene bough]

granted its a crit but still chonky

[near shore]

it could be higer, if i put +10% crit dmg

[junior needle]

Oh it's with the ping keystone too

8 stacks

[near shore]

yes, im dmg stacking

[terse idol]

Certainly would skip that for something betterr

[raw steppe]

@junior needle do you know what the range falloff looks like?

[terse idol]

If you're talking perk

[near shore]

do u want it just raw? no ping keystone

[junior needle]

Yeah, that would be helpful. You shouldnt able to get that much damage with that setup and the keystone. Something must be multiplying weirdly

[near shore]

talking baout how knife did 15k dmg, could inc it more

bout 10k

no ping, just ability for dmg inc

[delicate rivet]

which plasma gun would #veteran-class chat use? thanks in advance (pls dont say "None of them ")

[near shore]

now it could be higer, 25% higer at that

[junior needle]

On helbores? The charged shots seem to have flat damage against flak, unyielding, and unarmored

[junior needle]

Try it without the ping or ability

[terse idol]

I mean crit damage iirc isn't gonna... make your entire damage better
Iirc it'll only increase the crit damage

[near shore]

no buffs ( beside bleed perk)

[terse idol]

I don't remeberr

[inland orchid]

Both are good id snag the 1st one cuz modifier base stat biggerer

[junior needle]

Fascinating

[delicate rivet]

weird i posted 3 pics but this wouldnt load

[terse idol]

So it'll only be the crit damage +%10

[near shore]

yes, but this is just min/max testing

[umbral scaffold]

even after lasering people in the head the damage output is far from great

[near shore]

looks like the knife is running a 2x crit ??

so +10% crit dmg should make it 2.2 times

[terse idol]

Yeepers

[inland orchid]

Oh ok this one then instead of 1st, same reason

[near shore]

knife dmg can be insane

[inland orchid]

Modifier base stat biggerer than rest

[terse idol]

Needs get hots t4

[umbral scaffold]

i tried to understand the viewpoint of recon lasgun users but i simply cant, and i used the one with the highest damage per shot

[junior needle]

You shouldn't be able to hit these numbers, I think something might be going on with the backstab blessing

[near shore]

buffed, no backstab dmg tho

[terse idol]

Its just fun™️

[junior needle]

Perhaps it's mercy killer

[near shore]

its a combo of both + unyelding dmg

[junior needle]

Thing is

[delicate rivet]

well as u can see im pretty bricked... but out of the 3, which would u use?

[near shore]

knife is just nuts if done right

[smoky ember]

bro i dream about you every night

[umbral scaffold]

IAG is more fun, recon users are massively coping that their low powered laser pointer is just in the trash over at fatshark

[smoky ember]

cedric III is in my dreams

[junior needle]

Even with unyielding, you should not be getting that much.

[near shore]

shrugs tell FS that

ill hapily 3 shot a beast of nurgle

[junior needle]

Oh I see, these are also weakspot crits with the big numbers

[fast cargo]

What do y'all reccomend for perks on Power Sword?

[near shore]

just 2 shot a crusher, the 2nd hit only needed 300 dmg as well

[near shore]

yes

[umbral scaffold]

its fine i watched a zealot thammer instakill a DH a few days ago, and i thought they fixed that

[fast cargo]

I've got one with Rampage IV on Melk and I'm deciding if I grab it for the perk

[near shore]

just one shot a bulwark

[limber lance]

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[near shore]

wait

i can one shot crushers

if i add the dmg type for them

nvm, one shot the crusher without it

one hit

[junior needle]

They're usually either unaware how the guns compare and perform, or wilfully ignorant in the case of one guy I talked to on here recently

[raw steppe]

no i meant on the colum

lmao

was testing colum deadshot

it's real strong

but onslaught kinda useless

[near shore]

i have an anti-boss colum

[junior needle]

It has very high damage falloff, unusually so for an iag

[idle pecan]

would a revolver with crucian and a knife with mercy killer and lacerate be good?

[junior needle]

100% modifier loss over range to unyielding

[raw steppe]

right but when does it stop

and start

tldr does falloff start at 8m and linearly fall off?

[near shore]

use surgical, dont use lacarate, vet has a skill tree for bleeding

[raw steppe]

or is it an exponential drop

[fast cargo]

The Mk II Braced or the Mk V?

[tranquil bronze]

So what autogun is good, infantry, braced, or headhunter?

[junior needle]

Think I hit max around 45m when trying a lasgun, starts is not that far away either

[raw steppe]

they're all good

for different reasons

lol

[near shore]

i could one shot crushers easy, if i changed the stamina to dmg

[raw steppe]

interdasting lol

i need to test some more with onslaught

[idle pecan]

oh word

[raw steppe]

but it doesn't seem very worth the 4 points to reach it so far

10% rending + longshot seems to solve the range issues

[strange sparrow]

Infantry auto gun is super strong

[near shore]

the way i use it, open up with punch, it procs bleed and then light attack immediatly after, it makes it a heavy doing nutty dmg

[strange sparrow]

You can try Columnus Mk 5 Infantry Auto Gun

Base stats with it is already strong

Blessing isn’t required

[idle pecan]

punch?

[tranquil bronze]

Ah so i can leave blessings alone?

[idle pecan]

like the block attack?

[near shore]

ya, the knifes alt move

[fast cargo]

The alternate action

[idle pecan]

oh ok

[strange sparrow]

You could try the gun in grey

It’s just that good in its base form rn

[fast cargo]

It's hillarious, you literally just deck whoever's in front of you

[near shore]

no, its alt move, like how weapons can have a flashlight. on the knife, its a punch

[idle pecan]

ahhh ok

[strange sparrow]

It’s bad against Cara/flak but you could mitigate it with Onslaught (Right side of Veteran Talent Tree near the end)

[junior needle]

Unyielding and maniac have huge positive multipliers so you need to stand a bit further back for the drop to kick in (much moreso with maniac).

[idle pecan]

ive been using plasma/power sword and im looking for something new

[junior needle]

Flak starts out below 100

[strange sparrow]

Hellbore make your game harder

[near shore]

the perk with the sword and blood is vital

[strange sparrow]

But more rewarding

[raw steppe]

the problem is that

while I can foresee a usecase for unyielding at far away

via reapers

I dont really foresee myself shooting at maniacs from very far away ever

at least, not far enough for the 50% ADM to apply

maybe far enough for 80 or 90%, but then the 10% rending should make up for it

hm

[junior needle]

It's not just very far away, you'll go negative at more reasonable ranges

Maniacs you wont

But unyielding and flak yes

[raw steppe]

and testing against carapace

[junior needle]

carapace is flat

[raw steppe]

onslaught is not very impressive against it

[junior needle]

Onslaught is most of your rending vs carapace

[raw steppe]

correct

[junior needle]

You only get up to 16% with rending strikes

[raw steppe]

but it's so pitiful that it doesn't feel that much better

i would rather just melee it

[junior needle]

So that's over triple your damage with onslaught stacked, with rending strikes

[raw steppe]

than full mag a crusher

[strange sparrow]

I don’t know where you get to not onslaught crusher though

Or you just not using gun against them

[raw steppe]

wdym?

[strange sparrow]

The damage with CIAG without rending/Onslaught has been not great against Carapace

[raw steppe]

correct

[strange sparrow]

Crit string are not good enough to bypass their ADM

[raw steppe]

and what I'm saying is WITH it it's still pretty sad

[strange sparrow]

Wut

[terse idol]

Half a mag dump into a crusher is great

[raw steppe]

here look at this

[strange sparrow]

I may be wrong but TTK with Onslaught headshot is 2-3 seconds

[junior needle]

It seems to do a very unusual amount of damage to unyielding

[junior grail]

I don't why or how the Bolter of all weapons have become my least used ranged weapon

[strange sparrow]

And I can squeeze it down to 1.30

[slow spade]

Brunt

[junior grail]

Also how did Freiren become so popular among 40K fans?

She's an anime elf of all things hahaha

[placid portal]

Dunno

ask Roburte

[terse idol]

She's an eldar

Clearly

[strange sparrow]

Potential DPS

[idle pecan]

what gun is that

[strange sparrow]

In gerenal, it take me like 3 seconds to kill Crusher

[terse idol]

Sats pretty hood

[placid portal]

Agripinaa?

[strange sparrow]

CIAG

[terse idol]

Columnjs

[placid portal]

Ah Columus

[strange sparrow]

Columnus Mark V Infantry Auto Gun

[terse idol]

But weapon customized

[junior grail]

That should make it worse, not like humans have been secretly forming relationships with the eldar...

...oh. Oh no.

[strange sparrow]

This is an unrealistic approach to how much DPS could it possibly do with Onslaught and Rending

[umbral scaffold]

based on these nuts got em

[strange sparrow]

A lot of fuckin bandaid

[raw steppe]

I'm just not convinced that this ^^^^ is worth 4 vet talent points