veteran-class

[terse idol]

I.. disagree because of how the uncharged shots work you don't need to right click usually

[thorn plinth]

still no surgical for mk2, but got this promising mk1 (changed infernus for onslaught) not sure on which perk to change tho (not good with knowing breakpoints)

[coarse orbit]

Just wait until you’re lvl 30 to start investing in weapons

[torn root]

I would recommend these 2 weapons https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/sword-power/munitorum-mk-vi-power-sword

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/shovel/munitorum-mk-vii-sapper-shovel

[granite shale]

We can’t even get through malice without it being 50/50 and my biggest problem are the daemon hosts like 1 shottig me

[stable socket]

you should not be waking demon hosts up

[golden nacelle]

The way volatile works though, ev does make your uncharged shots slightly faster also

[stable socket]

there's always a route that you can take to run around them

[torn root]

if you have bolter you just need something that can probably deal with hoards in front of you

[coarse orbit]

Don’t trigger a DH lol

[frank basin]

Treat demon host like witch l4d2 but as a tank

[torn root]

stop fighting those

you are supposed to avoid them

[golden nacelle]

at least that's what I've read

[coarse orbit]

Unless you need the achievement

[granite shale]

I thought the daemon hosts were supposed to be fought lol

[torn root]

your characters even hint at avoiding deamonhosts

[spare mountain]

unless you have a thunder hammer

🙂

[stable socket]

or if your ogryn has a shield and can tank it indefinitely with the special, but even then there's no point to fighting one of them

[junior needle]

Nope, DH give you absolutely nothing and should be avoided

[stuck gorge]

There’s 0 reward and always a path to avoid them

[coarse orbit]

If you do want to fight them, have one of your ogryn get a shield

[spare mountain]

they count as monstrosity kills

for contracts

[granite shale]

Oh fuck lol I always get so excited and take it as a challenge

[spare mountain]

not 100% worthless

[torn root]

the characters will activley tell you to leave it alone or go around it

[junior grail]

FS give us loot from boss kills like in Vermintide pls

[stuck gorge]

Or psykinetic deflector psyker

[spare mountain]

I'll always kill Dh on my zealot

[stuck gorge]

You only realistically have to kill a DH once for the penance then it’s just killing them to save your teammate who goofed

[torn root]

if your team messes up you could try to fight it

generally i let them die, because the corruption isn't worth it imo

a mistake is a mistake, just mitigate imo

[rain badger]

thinking you need to kill the monstrosity that doesn’t attack you

[spare mountain]

free contract progress tho

[stuck gorge]

I was thinking of just gunning it down

[terse idol]

I.. certainly wouldn't force a DH on auric damn

[torn root]

its a waste of ammo if you guys don't actually kill it

[trim steppe]

Sometimes it makes sense to wake one up in a controlled way if its in a really bad spot, beats waking it up accidentally in the middle of some shit and wiping the run

[terse idol]

[coarse orbit]

You could also parry the DH with DClaw lol

[torn root]

so the ppl who gun at it when they get their kills

[terse idol]

Yeah

[spare mountain]

Okay on auric damn might be a bit different but I can legit kill em in two swings

[terse idol]

But its also a little goofy

[torn root]

now have less ammo and probably took a lot of corruption

[trim steppe]

Especially if you can get a shield ogryn on something to take hte tank

[terse idol]

You can Parry it forever as long as you have a medikit that can heal corruption

[spare mountain]

it's easy to line up the first headshot as she's rising

[stuck gorge]

Field improv talent is shining rn fr fr

[spare mountain]

then I can kill her before she finishes the cuff break animation and does the first teleport

[terse idol]

Thammer zealot asiiide

🥹

[spare mountain]

one day ill devote a few hours to DH parry practice

[coarse orbit]

Can THammer still one shot or have they nerf the DMG on shroud field?

[spare mountain]

I only use chastise so idk

I feel it's more consistent

[torn root]

shroud should be able to 1 tap

[lofty lintel]

Yea

[torn root]

i think she has less hp than a BoN and shroud hammer leaves those with like 1% hp

[lofty lintel]

Shroudfield thammer is like the most impractical build ever but yea u can one tap with it

[spare mountain]

again why I prefer chastise, with two charges and a strong hammer it's basically the same as shroudfield but in smaller installments so it hurts less if I fuck up something

which I do a lot

[tranquil bronze]

Are you fragging serious?

[torn root]

ooh they all have he same hp, maybe the guy i saw just didnt have good damage roll

[frank ether]

I'm somewhat confident helbore could nuke DH in a reasonable time if its head wasnt bobbing around so much

DH is just a stupid enemy

[tiny summit]

Some zealot with chastise hammer would attack the DH. We could've completely skipped her. But nope. Wanted her dead. We lived and killed her quickly with him. He did it again at the next DH

[frank ether]

everything about DH design is stupid

[torn root]

just another obstacle in the way

[coarse orbit]

Wanna express your frustrations?

[torn root]

tbh we should get more similar obstacles

kinda adds flavour

[tiny summit]

Nah DH good...until they are in a position where she's probably completely unavoidable

[tranquil bronze]

Uh... is this a buy?

[spare mountain]

suffer not the heretic to live

🤷‍♂️

[lofty lintel]

What

Yes it is

Youll find pc4 eventually

[spare mountain]

If I know I can handle her myself and take maybe one or two swipes then yeah imma cave in a heretic skull

[frank ether]

Enemy that corrupts your entire team has unhittable weakspot

yeah good design

[spare mountain]

corruption is proximity based no?

[torn root]

thats a ready-to-go PowerSword

lmao!

[rain badger]

Yes. Replace power cycler with IV PC and melee damage to something else.

[tranquil bronze]

Maniac?

[frank ether]

do you think I can shoot weakspots on DH?

[spare mountain]

so then just stand back and smoke a cig or smthin

no need to when she's dead

[torn root]

Flak to Carapace

[spare mountain]

i think I see what you're trying to say though

[frank ether]

she'll kill the idiot who woke it and then kill another person

thats the dumb part

just make her kill whoever woke her up

[spare mountain]

outside of some specific team comp there's little reason to mess with her

[frank ether]

its an IQ test that also kills someone else along with it

[tranquil bronze]

Should I just replace both perks? If I do, I can't change PC3 to 4.

[spare mountain]

good thing I main thammer zealot so this is not a problem I'm familiar with

[rain badger]

Dealers choice. You already do a lot of damage to maniac

[spare mountain]

now, where's that red crayon I was eating

[torn root]

just change flak to carapace

i can actually vouch for elite damage on powersword

probably the one weapon its useful on

2 taps everything

[tiny summit]

Crushers and maulers are elites yea?

[torn root]

the elite damage is actually just a flex bonus for BPs

[coarse orbit]

😎👍

[torn root]

you can take less damage on tree if you have elite bonus

[torn root]

yes

[lofty lintel]

No that would make it a brick

[torn root]

again

just change flak to carapace

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

And wait for pc4

[frank ether]

always good

on veteran especially

[wind karma]

Hmmm Thrust or Decimator any help?

[frank ether]

you can just lean on gun more

[lofty lintel]

Thrust for hammerblow

[coarse orbit]

I personally would go for decimator

For easier horde clear

[lofty lintel]

Or you can do uncanny for hammerblow

[coarse orbit]

It depends on what you’re looking for and what you expect for the shovel

[lofty lintel]

Its a folding shovel

He wants to do big dmg on big enemies

[torn root]

yeah, i was able to drop superiority complex because of my roll

[lofty lintel]

If he didnt want it for that Hed be running a standard shovel

[coarse orbit]

Shovels also struggle with horde clear

[wind karma]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/617581655615340546/864228186057736212/554b4bb33b09e72f.gif

[lofty lintel]

Mk3 does just fine with l1 h1

[torn root]

I wish i could comment on m3 shovel

but i only know m7

[lofty lintel]

Standard is really good for horde clear

[junior needle]

Ehhhhhhhh

I dunno about that

[lofty lintel]

Its the best of its category

[junior needle]

True

[coarse orbit]

Fair

[junior needle]

It's the best at it of the shovels

[lofty lintel]

Shouldve worded it that way first

:p

[coarse orbit]

I just think having a blessing that would help with its weaknesses would help regardless

Not just specializing on one thing

[torn root]

well

[lofty lintel]

Fair enough

[torn root]

it depends on what coverage is needed

[coarse orbit]

Tbf, I shouldn’t be commenting on shovels since I don’t use them lol

[lofty lintel]

I think he should look for breakpoints on big targets in the psykhanium

Thrust is 3 shot on crusher iirc

2 shot with limbsplitter

[torn root]

only BP that matters on those shovels is if you can 1 shot crushers

[lofty lintel]

Uncanny is like thrust but more consistent

[torn root]

idc

[lofty lintel]

Imo

[torn root]

if its not killing a crusher in 1 special heavy its a problem

[lofty lintel]

Well its impossible to 1 shot with the mk3

It would ruin the point of using mk7 shovel

[torn root]

you can I was told the special heavy for m3 does more than m7

and m7 can 1 shot

[lofty lintel]

The thing is mk3 has a much faster recovery from the folding attack

[torn root]

we saw this earlier in chat

[lofty lintel]

Well then thats a balancing problem

[torn root]

nah

thats what the shovels are degined to do

the folding ones*

[lofty lintel]

Yeah but if mk3 does the same thing as mk7 but better its an issue

[torn root]

i think m7 is better ngl

[lofty lintel]

How

[shut flax]

Is supercharge worth it on a mk VI psword?

[rain badger]

Flak to carapace is the worst advice I’ve seen in a while. Maulers and crushers are the only think with carapace. Flak and maniac or flak and infested for horde clear.

[torn root]

heavy move set

[lofty lintel]

If both can one shot crusher which is the ultimate breakpoint besides monstrosities, but the mk3 has a much faster recovery?

[torn root]

so it can one shot crushers and the heavy moveset with thrust and uncanny strike is really good into hoards

especially hoards mixxed with specials

[lofty lintel]

Holy shit its true

The mk3 can one tap crushers

[torn root]

with the moveset thrust + limbsplitter is really good too

[torn root]

... its designed to lmao

[lofty lintel]

Wtf is the point of mk7

[torn root]

CROWD CONTROL

[lofty lintel]

Standard issue if thats what you want

[torn root]

no

get the one that can do both

lmao

why is that even an argument

[lofty lintel]

Mk7s folding attack is atrocious to use on auric anything

[torn root]

why not have the Crowd Control with the damage to clear waves AND a special to kill Crushers

[lofty lintel]

The recovery is so long it reminds me of connecting a revved attack with a chain weapon before the patch that let u dodge cancel it

[torn root]

yall over exaggerate on that recovery time

frfr

[thick needle]

I've been just fine with the M7, I honestly can't tell much of a difference between the two

[lofty lintel]

Matter of preference i guess

[thick needle]

I honestly kinda like the M7 more because it's way better at sweeping hordes

[lofty lintel]

I do fine with the mk3

[thick needle]

I just chain heavies with Decimator active and I basically can't miss

[torn root]

EXAGERATING od

SUPER FUCKING EXAGERATING

SHIT IS NOT THAT LONG

[lofty lintel]

How is that exaggerating

You just proved it urself

😭

Dat slow ass shovel

[torn root]

i never said it wasnt longer but that shit is barely even slow

you are buggin i dont think you shovel m8

and still the m3 heavy chain is ass, woop it has half the spec time

[lofty lintel]

Mk7 is atrocious to use against a horde of big targets

Which comes at you every 5 minutes in high difficulty

[torn root]

heavy with uncanny

do you even know how rending works with relentless attacks?

why the cc is so good?

[lofty lintel]

Mk3 you slide in n out of the folding heavies killing everything

[torn root]

yes special and entire hoard....

1 at a time

[lofty lintel]

Im talking about packs of ragers/crushers/ maulers

Mk7 struggles in those situations with that slow ass recovery and im speaking from experience

[torn root]

uncany heavies

[placid portal]

despite how mk3 can dunk on those heavyweight elites, I miss the hoarde clear ease with the standard munitorum shovel

[torn root]

still wonder if you even know the interaction

[lofty lintel]

Shredder nades alleviate the mk3s lack of horde clear if needed

[torn root]

and guns aleviate the need to use mk3 for its special

im missing the point...

[lofty lintel]

Then its a matter of preference like i said

[rain badger]

Hab Dreyko scrubs out in full force today. Jesus Christ

“Let me sit in a corner in last area and just kill stuff and not play objective.”

[tropic notch]

[rain badger]

I got shit talked even after I clutched the end for the team, unreal

[torn root]

didn't do enough damage?

[midnight lark]

just rolled power cycler on my power should i pair it with supercharge or sunder?

[lofty lintel]

Brutal momentum

[strange sparrow]

Brutal Momentum if you want to kill waves

Sunder if you want to do more elites pack stuff

BM is good if you could hit heads so ye

[torn root]

If you have Brutal Momentum that has the best mix of wave clear and elite killing, supercharger is mainly just special/elite killing imo, and sunder is exclusively wave clear

[midnight lark]

interesting thanks guys

[strange sparrow]

Supercharger is redundant because PC6 Push Attack into light swing with Energized kill Crusher

[thorn lark]

what blessings do you want on the new shovel?

thrust uncanny?

[strange sparrow]

Yea mostly

Some variant could be changed on uncanny depend on personal playstyle

[torn root]

not without supercharger or Brutal Momentum you cant 2 tap crushers with push combo

[thorn lark]

thrust bm works too? like the ogryn shovel

[rain badger]

Oh no, I was top of every category.
I just ran off to scan 3/5 obj while they dicked around getting trapped and downed. Came back and untrapped ogryn and revived the others. Then the guy talking shit got downed on the run to the extraction.

[strange sparrow]

I don’t remember that being a problem when I run +25% cara but I’m not in home to test that

Especially if you took +30% weakspot

[torn root]

At 80 Damage and 80 finess PSword needs either Super Charger or Brutal Momentum 3 with 25% cara and a min investment of either precision strikes or desperado [paired with Take it down in some cases] to 2 tap

[lofty lintel]

It works but thrust decimator does bettee

Better

[torn root]

i stayed in the lab too long testing

[frank basin]

apperantly when im downed getting healing will make the tick damage taken go down faster

i placed 5 healing in meatginder

[torn root]

oof

[frank basin]

Giant Laspistol.

[frank ether]

hmm riposte sounds like it would synergize with reciprocity really well

except melee vet doesnt really have anything other than exploit weakness for critting

[junior needle]

I highly advise uncanny

Even at past 100% rending it's still 6% damage per stack at t4

[frank ether]

if hadron wills it

I normally prefer power blessings

except knife has really gimmicky ones

oh you know what nvm

I already have uncanny IV

unlocked

ok that makes my life easier

[thick needle]

WHUNK WHUNK WHUNK WHUNK WHUNK
GET STAGGERED GET STAGGERED GET STAGGERED

[shut flax]

Are there any auric viable autoguns? The columnus MK V looks pretty neato

[frank ether]

I think all of them are auric viable

[thorn plinth]

which perk would you change?
(repost, sorry)

[frank ether]

just did carnival on knife veteran paired with graia braced auto

which I'm pretty sure is the worst one

[thick needle]

mK v is the best

[frank ether]

ranged weakspot to flak

and keep elite

and you got a sweet gun

[torn root]

well it looks like if you have perfect 80s WITH Brutal Momentum 3 [+10% ELITE +25% CARAPACE] you can kill them with just one of any of the major damage nodes [Take it Down, Precision Strikes, or Desperado]

if I had BM4 i would only need 1 too

[junior needle]

Do you mean IAG's or all autogun families?

[junior needle]

It was buffed recently, it's better now.

[torn root]

time to farm a NEW SWORD or wait until MELK BLESSES

[frank ether]

yeah I've been doing the crouch brace meme and its kinda decent

[tranquil bronze]

Melk was actually useful to me tonight lol

[frank ether]

but still veteran synergy with brauto is awful

[junior needle]

Graia uniquely has a tightening spread after firing for a certain duration

[thorn plinth]

thanks ^_^
i am terrible with breakpoints xD

[frank ether]

I have flak+elite on my own hb1

I did the breakpoint math a few vet reworks ago

[shut flax]

Oh tru. IAGs

[frank ether]

but I'm somewhat certain you can one shot flak ragers

[thorn lark]

i can do that i have the second slot free

[lofty lintel]

[frank basin]

i have full auto mod going hip firing this

[junior needle]

CIAG is the standout for dps but both graia and agri perform well enough, they're better at longer ranges.

[torn root]

oy

its the pinnacle

🙂

[junior needle]

It is indeed the highest dps automatic

[torn root]

the Church will not ALLOW such blasphemy

[shut flax]

ugh why is onslaught so expensive to get

[frank basin]

it does

[torn root]

the blessing?

[shut flax]

The talent

[frank basin]

remember exploit weakness

it was cheap on 2nd node

so easy

now it become melee

only

[strange sparrow]

Onslaught Talent is expensive but also the strongest on automatic weapon

[shut flax]

I'm one away from superiority complex and the only way to get it is to make the build less fun

[torn root]

be happy its not on a node right before a keystone

[strange sparrow]

Because all automatic suck against Cara

[junior needle]

Remember, rending also counters falloff from range!

[strange sparrow]

Could fact check me but I’m pretty sure most autoweapon suck against crusher

[torn root]

dont need to fact check

[junior needle]

You're correct, there's no automatic carapace shredder of any kind on the baseline

[torn root]

they suck ass vs carapace

[shut flax]

good point! I already was running longshot but that just makes it better

[frank basin]

graia brauto on crusher take while to kill

with onslaught

like 80%rounds spent in 1 mag

[strange sparrow]

[torn root]

yikes....

[junior needle]

Don't have any videos of that on me, but none of the brautos do particularly well against crushers even with onslaught

[strange sparrow]

Brautos existence is cursed

[frank basin]

only krak grenade does

[junior needle]

It'll still kill just not that well

[serene sage]

shotty is so meme

but so fun

im addicted

it's so crunchy

[shut flax]

So with the mk V infanty autogun, is it better to run crit, or lean into dum dum?

[serene sage]

even though it folds against crusher packs

[serene sage]

I run Deadshot Columnus

[torn root]

this is the only way to run it

[serene sage]

would recommend, meme but not really

[shut flax]

that doesn't sound like a bad deal. Do you also run opening salvo? I can see it working since the reload speed is fairly fast

[serene sage]

oh my dear boy, you were so close to perfection

so close

yet so far

[torn root]

shit slaps

[junior needle]

They're not mutually exclusive. Dumdum is the best IAG blessing due to being bugged and using the code for anoint in blood from zealot.

[shut flax]

Ah, yeah not gonna lean into that

[junior needle]

CIAG should have the longest crit strings as the fastest firing variant.

[shut flax]

Oh you don't even need superiority complex?

[torn root]

take it if you can

no reason to miss out on the damage if you could get it without saccing anything else

[shut flax]

I wanna try to fit in both CK and ET since it's fun, but it's looking like I might only be able to take one

[junior needle]

Deadshot is a particular playstyle though

[torn root]

A way of life for some

.>

[shut flax]

Yeahhh it's fairly ingrained in me after maining revolver for a while.

[junior needle]

And commitment to the bit requires particular curio setups

[shut flax]

All my curios are set for it already lel

[torn root]

yeah

would recommend 2x +3 stamina curios

with 12% stam regen on all 3 curios

its useful outside of just using the gun

[shut flax]

Good point. I run ability CDR, stam regen, and toughness regen speed because it works with CK amazingly well

[tranquil bronze]

Not great not terrible... but still usable

[junior needle]

toughness regen should be coherency regen only

[shut flax]

Really? I might've had a false positive then lol

[torn root]

yeah, its not bad though

[junior needle]

Yeah, many people have asked about that

[torn root]

pretty much only on in between breaks

[muted knot]

Try the mgIV some time, I've had a lot of fun with it recently

[tranquil bronze]

I've mained MG IV before I discovered the greatness of XII

[muted knot]

Oh really ?

[junior needle]

k12 has the best one shot potential but also the lowest overall dps

[muted knot]

You went from 4 to 12 ?

It usually is the other way around

[junior needle]

1a has the best dps and is a good middleground for one shots and more general usability.

[shut flax]

I kinda wanna fully lean into the crit autogun and see how that goes tbh

[junior needle]

mg4 is a slightly behind in dps compared to the 1a with the worst one shot potential

[muted knot]

Wait what

Am I mixing things up ?

[torn root]

again its great

We need more Columnus brothers

[tranquil bronze]

Ia has great balance of damage and rof

[muted knot]

Mg1a can't have the better oneshot potential right ?

Than the mg4

[junior needle]

Turn yo dps on king

[tranquil bronze]

MGIV is the smg of the Kantrael las

[torn root]

the ping

NEVER

or the numbers?

[junior needle]

What do you mean the ping

Yeah the dps numbers

[shut flax]

I was convinced by a vet last round who was able to take care of 6 ragers while I was reloading the revolver. Might just switch mains lol.

[torn root]

its on

not sure why the healthbars dissapeared

lmao

[junior needle]

I'm seeing the damage numbers but not the overall dps

[muted knot]

Never mind fellas I confused mgIV and 1a again

I'm using the 1a and am loving it right now

[torn root]

I think its bugging out atm

i dont see the dps at the end of kill atm

[junior needle]

You might have it disabled in the healthbars mod, spawned units don't use the regular healthbars from the psyk

[frank basin]

MgIV funny

[muted knot]

Bounces too much for my taste

[frank ether]

I'm making a mental note to just quit lobbies with 4 veteran from now on

[frank basin]

Is spammy and funny

[muted knot]

Can't really use the full firerate accurately

[torn root]

aaah there we go

[junior needle]

Much better, now you can flex the dps

[torn root]

nope because i cant aim

[frank basin]

Recoil build up wide so I aim down sight to reset the recoil sway

I use hip firing

With full auto mod on is fun to play with

[junior needle]

All the infantry lasguns bounce an unreasonable amount imo, even with deadshot/max stability/exe

[frank basin]

Not meta just fun to shoot and spam

[muted knot]

Really been enjoying the Hellbore since somebody told me that I really don't let surgical stack fully

[strange sparrow]

No we don’t

[frank ether]

hmm which blessing do I sacc for rending

[strange sparrow]

Fs won’t know CIAG is op

[torn root]

i just dont track this late in the day, uses too many braincells

[strange sparrow]

If no one play it

[torn root]

I mean spread the love no?

[junior needle]

Just stand right below it and aim into its head

[strange sparrow]

Plasma and powersword complain go brrrr

[junior needle]

Foolproof method

[strange sparrow]

[muted knot]

@strange sparrow aren't you also a plasmahater ?

[strange sparrow]

Power sword and CIAG? Hit them in the stability department for being too viable fr

[frank basin]

Recon complain

[torn root]

Leave the PSword alone!

[strange sparrow]

Always

[junior needle]

Infantry las, not autoguns

[strange sparrow]

I hate Plasma and Psword

[junior needle]

Someone else mentioned them bouncing a ton, which they do

[strange sparrow]

I despite the game style

[muted knot]

I feel like you just dislike everything that's good

[frank ether]

the amount of stuff ppl ask to be nerfed in this chat

some sensible some not

[muted knot]

Classic #veteran-class

[tranquil bronze]

This thing's performance really surprised me when I brought it into Damnation for the first time... and then we lost when my Ogryn teammate bull rushed off a ledge.

[frank ether]

but hilarious that if it exists someone wants it nerfed

[strange sparrow]

I like my CIAG

It’s stupidly fun and abusive

But require me to control some recoil which is alright

[torn root]

^ this

nah

just press lmb

[frank ether]

I dont think the recoil is that much

[torn root]

watch it ride up

[drifting oak]

I think I ran into someone aimhacking with an infantry autogun

[strange sparrow]

“Some”

[junior needle]

Uncanny mercy would probably be the best if you're running the bleed talent. If you don't want to run the bleed talent, switch out mercy.

[frank ether]

could be more

[drifting oak]

they would kill specials 180 degrees opposed from each other

in the same fullauto magdump

[vast kite]

Can someone help on this penance? I've been using the Executioners Stance build but it's not doing anything

[frank ether]

I'm not but I could easily run it

already have the %10 melee damage node

[muted knot]

I was playing mg12 for most of my first 100 hours but it just kinda falls apart once things get hectic

[frank basin]

I do have CIAG on my psyker

[frank ether]

just one point investment

[junior needle]

It's required for mercy to function

[frank ether]

yeah

might aswell take it

[tranquil bronze]

I have no issues with my XII

[drifting oak]

I disagree, mg12 remains a premier "it just works" special killer

[muted knot]

You have the extension node on ?

[strange sparrow]

Also CIAG require a lot of talent investment (Onslaught and shit) to be good

[drifting oak]

sure it doesn't kill hordes and won't kill crushers but it deals with shocktroopers special waves

[strange sparrow]

So I justify that

[junior needle]

Today I will post it again

[frank ether]

I mean

[strange sparrow]

If I’m investing 15+ points into making the gun better, it should be better

[muted knot]

And in that it just feels outclassed imo

[strange sparrow]

No

[torn root]

just onslaught and rending strikes

the others are just icing

[drifting oak]

by what, plasma?

[frank ether]

all you lose by not taking onslaught is carapace ttk

[strange sparrow]

Post the No onslaught crusher gameplay

[muted knot]

Hellbore

[vast kite]

Don't think so

[frank ether]

if you use melee to kill carapace you dont even need onslaught

[strange sparrow]

Which take you a full mag dump and not kill

[muted knot]

Mg1a

[drifting oak]

helbore is aids for special management because you have absolutely zero way to swap midfight

[tranquil bronze]

Acid Dog or Tanith?

[junior needle]

It is too late, I am posting

[strange sparrow]

My man out for blood for CIAG

[drifting oak]

of course there IS the stab bayonet but that has its limits when you actually need to push

[strange sparrow]

[muted knot]

That's what you need, you want to hit marked targets to keep exec stance up for at least 20 seconds

Bring the node that highlights all shooters

[strange sparrow]

I just wanna have my P90 shooting 50.cal

[muted knot]

Acid dog

[strange sparrow]

Was it that hard to ask for

[drifting oak]

i don't think the mg1a gets to one-headshot scab gunners

[torn root]

this gun requires big braincells

[drifting oak]

but I could be wrong

[muted knot]

That's why you have a bayonet

[white minnow]

CIAG doesn't require that much investment, since you can also just forgo the rending talents

[drifting oak]

Like I need both 30% weakspot and 15% elites from tree, and 25% flak, to one shot a scab gunner

[white minnow]

like, they're nice to mitigate the ADM falloff, but it also basically doesn't matter because most things just run up to you, or you can run up to them

[drifting oak]

i don't think mg1a can do enough but I could be wrong

[torn root]

my brother in sigmar, what blasphemy did i just read?

[muted knot]

I run my 1a with left keystone

[strange sparrow]

I mean 10% rending isn’t a lot

[drifting oak]

left keystone would do it I guess but you have to give up so much for it

[strange sparrow]

It’s just a nice to have thing

[torn root]

nah that shit actually makes a diff with long shot

[drifting oak]

like you'd have to lose Iron Will

and not having iron will sucks

[torn root]

and even at close range

[umbral scaffold]

I had a "what if" moment

[white minnow]

at close range it doesn't matter besides for flak and cara because of the stupid >100% ADMs that columnus has that close

[umbral scaffold]

And tried a recon with onslaught on a crusher

[junior needle]

It's more forgiving for general use and maintains fairly good one shot potential. Also has the highest overall dps of all infantry lasguns.

[umbral scaffold]

I instantly regrettedi t

Iron will is turbocringe btw

[white minnow]

and I'm not shooting crushers with the columnus even with +26% rending

[strange sparrow]

It’s not that bad as I was thinking tbh

[drifting oak]

either it oneshots or it doesn't

[strange sparrow]

Atleast it kill crusher in one mag

[torn root]

WHY NOT>?!

[strange sparrow]

[drifting oak]

and with this random mg1a I have, it doesn't, to the degree where I don't think 25% flak will be enough

but lemme roll it on

[torn root]

you kill them in 2.4 seconds

lmao

[white minnow]

waste of ammo and i can 1-combo them with the mk6 psword

[torn root]

ammo that you gunna get back my G

[junior needle]

The shocking truth of guns as we know them

[drifting oak]

thinning out 1-2 crushers at range is SOMETIMES the play but it's usually a massive waste of ammo

[white minnow]

i like to spam my ammo elsewhere

[torn root]

iight nvm

i just read the PSword part

my bad playa

[strange sparrow]

Also I enjoy shoot crusher in the face especially they’re in a mixed hordes and packed like sardine

Then again I toss krak

[torn root]

we out here using no braincells frfr

[strange sparrow]

So I can’t say much

[white minnow]

yeah i do magdump them if they're mixed in with bulwarks

[torn root]

PS6 CIAG loadout

[white minnow]

because holy shit are bulwarks extremely annoying

[tranquil bronze]

Definitely convinced that Melk was good to me tonight

[white minnow]

hell yeah

[torn root]

Ngl im not taking this shit off till its nerfed

[white minnow]

i run that meta shit

[drifting oak]

i found an mg1a with flak on it, gime a sec

[white minnow]

i will always run the meta on any class I run so that I have an authority about overpowered shit

[strange sparrow]

Also I stop using Psword because it make me play worse

[white minnow]

and I can just pull out the "i ran this shit for 500 hours it's fucking op"

[strange sparrow]

So I don’t have that option to one tap crusher

[torn root]

I just tried PSword because i wanted to see the hype

[white minnow]

why submit yourself to the horrors of >1 braincell activity

[drifting oak]

wait, I'm not at full damage distance

[strange sparrow]

Too much brain rot make me a dull man

[torn root]

someone was trying to get me to use PS3 tho

i dodged a bullet

[white minnow]

yeah i can not give up the mk6

[umbral scaffold]

why does armor have to be so expensive, especially a helmet, cheapest one is 50000

[junior needle]

Fun fact: Rending counters reverse falloff penalties as well

[drifting oak]

okay what nvm

now my mg12 isn't onetapping heads either

which is funny because I was just doing it in a game

i'm like 50 damage off lmao

[junior needle]

Do you have temp damage boosts like comp urge

[drifting oak]

no

I do have Kill zone but that was the same with both

[torn root]

because its for the government and they cant have those prices low for buyers to compete?

idk im coming up with BS tbh

[drifting oak]

i spent an hour making an mg12 build that onetapped scab gunner heads so right now I'm a little miffed

[strange sparrow]

To be honest I grinder 20 Psword for pc 4

And drop the sword after 1 week

[torn root]

you are about to hate me

lmao

[strange sparrow]

Because it just make me play really really bad

[drifting oak]

well, i guess if you take left cornerstone you can take an mg1a since you'll get way more headshot damage

[umbral scaffold]

so im trying to get the helmet from doing the two penaces of mark for death and long bomb, mark for death was easy

[drifting oak]

and can afford a slower rifle

[strange sparrow]

Like I forgot how to dodge, abuse I-frame and all the stuff

[torn root]

the Power Sword I have right now is the 3rd one I ever crafted

[strange sparrow]

Because I just charge slide into chaos puddle of death

[drifting oak]

oh I'm dumb

[torn root]

you can still dodge with PSword tho

[drifting oak]

because I took off 10% rending

[strange sparrow]

Why bother thou

[drifting oak]

yeah there we go

[thorn plinth]

gotta love when you have 2 zealots on your team,, whenever someone opens a chest they spam take everything the second they can, no matter what it is

[torn root]

BECAUSE ITS A GOOD HABIT

[strange sparrow]

Just tank it like a man because you get all the toughness back

[torn root]

that's why you forgot

[strange sparrow]

[torn root]

lazy ass lmao

[strange sparrow]

Literally just tank it because you get it all back

[torn root]

i mean yeah

[junior needle]

The side dodges are absolute dogshit, gotta dodge backwards for any kind of real distance

[thorn plinth]

they both end up with a medi pack, and when the team is in a rough spot with low health, they refuse to use them, since they are zealots working with low health,,,

[drifting oak]

yeah with the 10% rending node I get a oneshot

[torn root]

then i fuck up and charge at the wrong time

[thorn plinth]

of course this ends up wiping us

[drifting oak]

1200 damage on scab gunner, but mg1a only does ~1050

[torn root]

i have high dpi i boosted it when i took up the weapon

so if i hear something behind me i legit flick to them then dodge

[elfin stump]

Are headhunter autoguns good? I'm committed to marrying Vraks 7

[strange sparrow]

It’s good

[drifting oak]

oh

[junior needle]

Vraks 3 and 7 work well but are overshadowed currently

[strange sparrow]

It’s not the best meta gun but it’s a good weapon to have fun

[drifting oak]

mg12 can do it even without kill zone up

[strange sparrow]

I tend to just handicap myself by playing New Chainsword/DC4 and Hellbore Mk2/V7/Columnus

[drifting oak]

wait, are you saying the agri headhunter is actually good

[junior needle]

agri HH is the 9 I think

[umbral scaffold]

The agri headhunter is a disguised ship cannon

[torn root]

iight dont slander my 13g

[strange sparrow]

If I took chainsword, it must be V7 or mk2

[strange sparrow]

It’s a reverse kinda handicap

[drifting oak]

because from what I understand people liked either the vraks 3 for being a more consistnet weapon than the infantry autogun (massive ammo pool, lol) or the vraks 7 for one shots

[torn root]

they just gotta make the special not feel like ass

[strange sparrow]

Gun is good = melee is slightly bad

Melee is good = gun is slightly bad

[torn root]

iight

[junior needle]

I'm saying vraks 3 and vraks 7 are good but overshadowed by guns outside the line. I didn't mention agri because it's uh, well you know

[umbral scaffold]

The agri headhunter dealt like 40 stagger on a headshot, if memory doesn't fail me

[drifting oak]

yeah lol

agri is super scuffed

[strange sparrow]

Look, a lot of stuff in game right now is just overshadowed by the top performer which I call them bad

Because in the era of 40k, there is only blessing and 80-80-80-80-0

[umbral scaffold]

More like 80-80-80-80-50 cuz I ain't wanting no reduced dodge count

[torn root]

ppl should stop dumping mobility

[strange sparrow]

Don’t say they aren’t bad, because Grinding Blessing and Best roll fuckin suck

[torn root]

lmao

[strange sparrow]

[umbral scaffold]

After I learned that 50 is the breakpoint for dodges, I got muy saddo

[strange sparrow]

I don’t wanna grind for a subpar weapon it’s that shrimple

[umbral scaffold]

🦐

[torn root]

that's fair

[umbral scaffold]

I will krill the Moebian Sex

[junior needle]

Oh whoops, I forgot to ping. Just remember they're very precision oriented and if you aren't good with consistent headshots they will fall behind.

[strange sparrow]

Just aim your gun at head level and you would hit your shots

[elfin stump]

Oh yeah I'm aware. I'm going full marksman despite the occasional urges to just magdump

[junior needle]

vraks 3 wants deadly/HH last I checked, and 7 wants deadly/surgical

[elfin stump]

Which is better for Deadly Accurate, Surgical or Headhunter?

[strange sparrow]

Except you’re playing Hellbore vanilla

[junior needle]

Oh whoops

Wrong quote

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

[serene sage]

I killed nearly 1.5x the amount of elites my team killed combined

[torn root]

no

not you too

[serene sage]

what

[torn root]

the scorboard plague!

[serene sage]

I have always been a scoreboard whote

[junior needle]

Yeah you want deadly/surgical on vraks 7

[umbral scaffold]

There's personal problem and then personal success

[serene sage]

what are you talking about

[strange sparrow]

Hadron on her way to brick your roll again (after giving you false hope)

Give you +25% Cara then forgot to give you any good blessing

Also 1.5 stamina

Running is cool right varlat

[torn root]

When i get this I dont ever roll past it

shit just counts as an auto brick

everytime ive tried it disappoints

[junior needle]

Stamina seems to be weighted more highly than it used to be

I get it constantly now

[strange sparrow]

Running is cool varlat

[serene sage]

okay okay

hear me out

[junior needle]

Speed is directly proportional to your devotion to the Emperor

[serene sage]

2x stamina

is better than health

maybe 1x

idk

nvm

[strange sparrow]

Actually yes because just don’t get hit

[torn root]

you mean curios?

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

[serene sage]

yeah

[torn root]

oh 100%

[strange sparrow]

Skill issue on getting hit

Smh

[torn root]

1 sec

Legit contemplaying not getting health on any of them

Usless ass stat

you have toughness for days

[strange sparrow]

I still don’t understand the argument about health curios

I mean we have higher base HP and better curios return

But that also mean you get hit past toughness

Which is ew

[torn root]

im not calling hp ass

[strange sparrow]

I’m calling HP ass

[torn root]

but stamina and toughness helps not take damage to it anyways

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

Ever think about not taking more damage than toughness give

[torn root]

i think health helps newer players

like actually

[strange sparrow]

Also toughness damage reduction exist which mean toughness should provide better return no?

[torn root]

^

much larger return

[junior needle]

I've noticed newer players do struggle with staying topped off toughness wise, and so inevitable take health damage over time.

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[torn root]

yup

[junior needle]

Some things do have large toughness damage multipliers though, like dreg stalkers for example

[serene sage]

parrying is fun, I wish my recording software stops cutting off the sound at the end though

[junior needle]

Or is it scab stalkers

[torn root]

then when they start taking stamina regen, guard reduction and maybe extra stamina they realize they dont need health anymore

[junior needle]

I think it's scab stalkers yeah

[white minnow]

both stalkers have large toughness damage multipliers patch 12 and before

[strange sparrow]

The true Iframe

[white minnow]

not sure if that was changed though

[strange sparrow]

That dog got no chance

[white minnow]

it's the scab shooters that didn't have the large toughness damage multiplier

[strange sparrow]

I hope dogs are as strong as Rat Assasin (gutter rat)

[umbral scaffold]

spent 14 hrs trying to do long bomb, gonna try again tomorrow ffs

[junior needle]

Is simple, throw grenade into sky

Use shreds

On weak melee chaffe

Big ole pack

[umbral scaffold]

i been trying that, 90% of the time teammates ruin it

[strange sparrow]

Playing higher difficulty also help

[junior needle]

Tell them in chat, unless you did

[strange sparrow]

Because your team can’t kill fast enough

[umbral scaffold]

i did

[junior needle]

Well there's no accounting for randos

I remember a heresy game around release where a whole ass rando squad I was in let the psyker take forever to get his "90% damage to boss kill" with his BB

And we covered his back

[elfin stump]

Everytime I die I swear it's two scab shitters stuffing a spiked club in my rectum

Nothing else ever kills me

[junior needle]

Bruisers do a ludicrous amount of damage

[elfin stump]

Unless I get stuck on terrain

[white minnow]

i love iron will for reducing the bruiser's ~120 damage hit to my toughness

[elfin stump]

Virus

[junior needle]

Oh whoops, wrong file type

It's an mkv, not a virus

Video file that discord doesn't recognize

[white minnow]

is that a reference to the columnus mkv !!!!

[elfin stump]

Hadron bricked my 80/80/80 mk12

[serene sage]

no dog was harmed in the making of that clip :^)

[junior needle]

Yes

[white minnow]

ah damn they deal a bit more damage than i remembered

[junior needle]

Both bruisers do that

[elfin stump]

I swear to lord these fuckers are the end of me

[white minnow]

in case you aren't, i recommend dodging sideways instead of backwards against these fuckers

because their running attack is extremely annoying

[strange sparrow]

Who is bruiser again

[elfin stump]

When I glued to my v7 having a somewhat erotic competition with a scab sniper and one of them starts getting intimate

[strange sparrow]

The flak weak point twat?

[white minnow]

the scab/dreg melee units

[junior needle]

Yeah, melee units have a tendency of sliding towards you while attacking if you move backwards (or try to run away from them)

[white minnow]

i think bruisers in particular have a running attack that tends to go rather far

[elfin stump]

Running away never works

[terse idol]

Its the timing partially iirc

[strange sparrow]

Yea they run and melee

[junior needle]

Bruiser is a type like stalker, scab bruisers are armored and have unarmored heads, dreg bruisers are the opposite

[white minnow]

i've gotten smacked a bunch of times by bruisers that suddenly run through a horde to fuck me up with a running attack

and I don't recall any other melee unit doing this

[strange sparrow]

Oh I think I know who you talking bout

[junior needle]

Melee chaffe unit

[strange sparrow]

Yea those are annoying because how much Damage they does

But just dodge tbh

[strange sparrow]

Crusher in Overhead animation also push up

[white minnow]

that too

but at least crushers have an extremely short dodge catch so you can just spotdodge them unless you encounter a wall during your dodge

[strange sparrow]

I do not know how but Crusher overhead can lap over Bulwark

[elfin stump]

Moebian prank

[strange sparrow]

So good luck shooting them because bulwark won’t be attacking you because you are dodging crusher overhead

Except you giga 6D chess it and bait Bulwark before hand

[white minnow]

yeah if you can take a good initial engagement it's gucci

[elfin stump]

Dodge into a DH

[white minnow]

but bulwarks + crushers are annoying as hell

[torn root]

do crusher actually do damage?

isnt it just a guarenteed knock?

unless you have bonus toughness

[white minnow]

it does damage

just that human characters tend to not have the stats to tank it without some help

[elfin stump]

Overhead is almost a guaranteed oneshot unless you're caked up

I survived it with 198 and about -40% reduction

[white minnow]

you can tank it on zealot with just Bleed for the Emperor for example

[strange sparrow]

You need to be on very specific case scenario to take crusher I believe

Mauler overhead is easier from what I know

[white minnow]

yeah i can survive a mauler overhead on my psyker, albeit with almost all of my health missing

[torn root]

well maulers i think you can tank easier

but i dont think ive seen someone tank a crusher without protection

without blocking*

[strange sparrow]

[white minnow]

blocking also doesn't help

[elfin stump]

Also does anyone get there weird moments when you headshot somebody, they flinch back with the crit sound, but there's no damage or visual marker

[white minnow]

since it's a block bypass attack

[strange sparrow]

No reg probably

Server issue

[elfin stump]

How is it not shooter's advantage in a pve game

[terse shell]

gave boltgun a try after I got bored of plasma, it's not that bad

just the ironsight is shit

[elfin stump]

Modding

[strange sparrow]

Because Darktide run on dedicated server

And that’s because Vermintide 2 complain

p2p suck stuff

Me : still play on NA server while being in APAC

[elfin stump]

Indie company

[inner imp]

-get weakpoint hit marker and audio-
-no damage registration-

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-surprised-pikachu-face-face-gif-15329743

[elfin stump]

As a marksman roleplayer this pisses me off to no end

[umbral scaffold]

Sounds like you need to mark different men

[elfin stump]

Head tap the sniper

He returns the favour

[junior needle]

Yep, hit reg. Very common issue, especially as patches go on longer because obesefish refuses to do server maintenance.

[strange sparrow]

Think of it this way

[serene sage]

yup

shit's cray

happening way too often

[junior needle]

Fatshark was apparently very concerned about hacking in their pve shooter

[strange sparrow]

Nurgle bend the physical space and reality to save his favoured sniper

[junior needle]

Hence the easy anti cheat when the game launched

[elfin stump]

Their faith in nurgle was stronger than yours in the Empror

[strange sparrow]

Also mean you didn’t use enough incense for your bullet

[elfin stump]

Which perks do you run for your vrakses?

[frank ether]

flak/maniac

[elfin stump]

My current workhorse has +25 to maniacs and +10 weakspot

[frank ether]

got unyielding on my vraks 3 because bad roll

still useful

[elfin stump]

Does flak one break any thresholds?

[versed merlin]

i found out that vraks 3 with marksman focus works really well

[muted knot]

10% weakspot is kinda ass sadly

[frank ether]

if nothing else you kill maulers easier

[elfin stump]

I picked that over flak willingly because I didn't see a point for flak one, when I'm oneshotting all but scab rager

[elfin stump]

With deadly accuracy I tend to headshot them more

[muted knot]

I guess

[junior needle]

Just so you know, crit/weakspot damage works in a very strange way in this game and only applies to the bonus damage of the crit/weakspot hit

[frank ether]

meat grinder testing doesnt line up for real gameplay for me

[torn root]

they work as expected

imma defend fatshark on that front

[frank ether]

distance and marksman keystone are unreliable in game

[versed merlin]

man i swear plasma gun players have smooth brain

[torn root]

they affect their portion of the damage equation

[junior needle]

I can't recall even a single game where crit damage modifies only the bonus damage and not the whole of the crit.

[torn root]

league

.>

[elfin stump]

He said games

[torn root]

ie JHIN mechanics

DnD

[frank ether]

league isnt a game

its cbt

[torn root]

Pathfinder

[versed merlin]

wait what

[torn root]

crit modifyers affect the extra die that you roll

which in term increases your damage

[junior needle]

League doesn't even do it that way,

[frank ether]

anyways time to try this out

[junior needle]

For league your crit modifier is a %increase of your base damage

[torn root]

the only things in league that affect crit are jhins passive and IE

and they only affect crit bonus portion

[elfin stump]

This is very unintuitive and needlessly complicates the equation

[junior needle]

And bonus crit damage additively increases the crit %

[rough mortar]

Does pinning fire stack if I stagger the same enemy over and over? But I bet stacking on same enemy is slow cos it takes a while to re stagger it

[strange sparrow]

MF should increase damage instead just finesse

[elfin stump]

Also in Pathfinder you increase the crit modifier by additional dice

[strange sparrow]

[junior needle]

There's a few more than that

[versed merlin]

well, rolling an extra die is not actually just a crit damage thing and still, crit in dnd and maybe pf2e are way more rng and benefitial than in eletronic games

[torn root]

oh?

[junior needle]

They don't just kinda boost the existing extra damage of the crit, but change the modifier explicitly

[torn root]

thought it was just IE and jhin passive

[elfin stump]

So say the difference between regular and weakpoint is 200
+10 weakpoint damage would be +20?

[junior needle]

Which still includes your base damage

[junior needle]

It should be a 10% increase to 200, so yes

[torn root]

yes only on weak spots

[elfin stump]

God that's so ass

[versed merlin]

unironically the weakspot damage can be better and more benefitial than crit damage

thats fucked up

[elfin stump]

What about critical weakpoint?

[junior needle]

It does more than either individually but not by that much

They both work in the same way, but usually weapons have larger weakspot modifiers than crit mods

[torn root]

only on weakpoint hits that crit

[elfin stump]

Is it compared to regular critical or is critical calcd over it?

[torn root]

?

[junior needle]

Separate damage table

Shred is unusual in that it has matching crit/weakspot mods (mostly)

[elfin stump]

Yeah so here's there the point
Difference between regular and WP is 22, difference between crit and crit WP is 14
How much would +10% weakspot damage add?

[tiny summit]

Crit/weakspot really do work with how you read, problem being the modifiers for crit/weakspot can be ass and 10% to either is ass.

[strange sparrow]

Tldr Crit dmg not that great because you get more from base damage increase which also increase Crit dmg

[elfin stump]

Yeah, go figure

Knowledge acquired

[junior needle]

Yes, straight damage is universally just better.

[rigid pilot]

+2 and +1 lol

[junior needle]

I'm actually not sure how the individual elements interact with crit weakspot hits

[elfin stump]

So it's WORSE for best case scenario?

[rigid pilot]

I'm sure they have decimals somewhere in there but it's never really shown

[versed merlin]

honestly i dont mind it being this way since we already have plenty of damage on our side, but having bait shit like +10 crit dmg/weakspot for perks is so infuriating

[elfin stump]

I need to test this

[rigid pilot]

But like 1.4 is still as trash as 1.0

[torn root]

well 10% crit damage i dont think was meant to be bait

it just ended up being not as useful

[rigid pilot]

Just 10% elites much better

[elfin stump]

This has 30% additional on both crit and WP and 50% on crit wp

[rigid pilot]

It's not 1.3->1.4

It's 1.3->1.33

[versed merlin]

[elfin stump]

Are you sure

[torn root]

its 1.3 ->1.4 lmao or it should be

[rigid pilot]

Yea 10% of 0.3 isn't it

For weakspot

[elfin stump]

1.3->1.03

[rigid pilot]

Nuce

[junior needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QlBkFN9RRw

[elfin stump]

This makes sense

[rigid pilot]

J sat on these

[torn root]

NAH

[tiny summit]

Oh yea. Disregard I'm barely awake

[torn root]

I DONT LIKE THAT OPENING LINE DAWG

[junior needle]

This was from before they changed rending btw, so that part will be outdated

[torn root]

I already have to use a fucking dictionary for mtg

start 'splainin bruh

[elfin stump]

Considering 15 marksman stacks are supposed to raise your ranged finesse 112.5% and your damage doesn't go to the moon makes me think 1.33 is the truth

[junior needle]

MTG has keywords at least, better than yugioh

[torn root]

keywords than have an entire lexicon explaining how they work

have you seen the book that judges have to learn?

[junior needle]

True, but it's better than having the lexicon printed on the cards

[elfin stump]

NEW BUSTED BUILD 948 RANGED FINESSE(10% DPS GAIN)

[tiny summit]

Normal - 100
Crit - 150
Crit bonus - 50 x 10% = 5
Crit + bonus = 155

[rigid pilot]

Yea

It's 10% of the extra

[elfin stump]

Not true for the weapon card someone posted

[junior needle]

I haven't seen it but I did learn mtg somewhat recently, it's definitely a lot of BS to start

I learned about layers

[versed merlin]

whats mtg?

[junior needle]

And how they're bullshit

Magic the gathering, olde and popular card game

[vivid bolt]

Magic the gathering

[versed merlin]

ahh

[elfin stump]

Mahjong the goblinning

[torn root]

it has a massive ass book

[vivid bolt]

It’s uh the literal crit damage perk calculation smh…

[torn root]

with like over 1k rulings based on interactions

[junior needle]

I think that was an abstract example and not indicative of that weapon

[muted knot]

I mean interactions is what makes mtg fun

[elfin stump]

Explain then
Normal - 72
Weakspot - 94
Crit - 94
Crit weakspot 108

[vivid bolt]

The crit

And weakspot

[junior needle]

Let me tell you why turning magus of the moon into an ability-less hamster doesn't actually turn off its ability

[vivid bolt]

Are the same bonus in that case

[tiny summit]

That's the weapon card without any bonuses. That's the weapon itself

[elfin stump]

Ah sorry

[vivid bolt]

The crit and weakspot bonuses are added on the last one

[elfin stump]

I'm rarted

Disregard my message

[vivid bolt]

If you applied the crit damage perk, it would be like

[elfin stump]

I see what you mean

[junior needle]

Yeah the tables don't show damage boosts from perks or blessings

It's all RAW

[vivid bolt]

2.2 extra damage

holy fuck 2.2 extra lmao

[wanton dawn]

Math. Not even once

[elfin stump]

YIPPEE

[torn root]

layers are fucking crazy lmao

[vivid bolt]

Versus like

[junior needle]

You need both a big modifier and a large amount of crit/weakspot damage to get any decent value out of it

[vivid bolt]

Choosing flak or maniac

You get 25% to the damage

Which is significantly more

[stable socket]

shouldn't crit weakspot be 116 if we were just adding up the weakspot and crit?

[tiny summit]

Please fatshark. We need new math for the laws of the Darktide universe

[torn root]

no

because its its own damage table

[stable socket]

oh jeez

[torn root]

yes

[elfin stump]

It's from a existing weapon card

[rough mortar]

What does veteran use to AOE dmg hordes? I tried grenade but seems I got to use all 3 grenades to remove most hordes, unlike psyker trauma staff I am used to.

[torn root]

its dumb that part is dum

[tiny summit]

MELEE

[elfin stump]

Shovel

I use mk4 chain sworde

[junior needle]

Melee primarily, grenades are more for SHTF scenarios than casual clear. But if you take grenade regen you'll have overflow. Just be careful for when you need them.

[tiny summit]

Caxe works. PS6 works. Shovel. Stuff works if you got the blessings

[muted knot]

Melee really shredders are more for making space

[tiny summit]

Even without the blessings. It'll just of course be better

[wanton dawn]

Vet has no good mid-to-close range aoe weaponry besides shredder i guess. Need to melee.

[midnight totem]

I need to play less voc commando

[elfin stump]

I had a vet clutch me a near wiped damnation run by singlehandedly shoveling and entire horde an saving three people

[midnight totem]

Shotgun?

[vivid bolt]

The actual addition is weird

[wanton dawn]

Shotgun can work but shotgun are not great

[vivid bolt]

It’s not purely additive buts it’s “basically” additive

It’s like a separate bonus

[torn root]

no you dont

[vivid bolt]

You have 3 different ones

[wanton dawn]

Also you need some distance for shotgun