veteran-class

[terse idol]

stopping power death

But might keep onslaught

[crude ermine]

So fucking close tho

[terse idol]

Yeah

[frank basin]

Brother I play some mission with self control urge not spent on plasteel upgrade when I focus on melk token

[crude ermine]

What actually IS the dump stat for helbore

[terse idol]

Get it for Onslaught

[frank ether]

yes you can buy it just for onslaught IV

[crude ermine]

Never really thought about it

[thorn plinth]

yeah the stats are not great, but also not rolling much high stats yes, its purely for the blessing, and for one to use for now

[frank basin]

I want currency conversion Fatshark!!!

[crude ermine]

Like vermintide

[frank basin]

Let me buy plasteel with dockets

[frank ether]

Idk dockets are the real bottleneck for me

[frank ether]

takes like 500k - 1m to roll a good weapon sometimes

[frank basin]

I don’t like scavenging hunts plasteel

[frank ether]

and with good I dont mean godroll

just good

[tiny summit]

Is before or after rolling them from Hadron?

[frank basin]

Is so boring to walk around map looking out one and can be scary get gang up by roaming enemies like crusher patrol

[frank ether]

thats like after hadron bricks a few

[iron marten]

yeah no, godrolls are insanely hard to get

[frank basin]

Lucky pot head can get godroll

[terse idol]

Just don't roam too far from your team

[frank basin]

Godroll like lottery

[terse idol]

[thorn plinth]

this is my current hellbore

[terse idol]

play I dunno uhhh

Infil Vet

[frank basin]

And I hate team ignore plasteel run

[terse idol]

That's craazy

[frank ether]

Whats hilarious to me are people normalizing the system

[stone adder]

I go on my own RPG adventure when I look for Plasteel

[tall torrent]

Next shop rotation gonna be savlar chem dogs?

[tiny summit]

Uh...mk3 w/o onslaught is certainly a choice

[pine snow]

knife zealots: this doesnt apply to me because I cant read

[thorn plinth]

dont have onslaught yet XD (of any tier)
which is why i wanted to buy the one from melk purely for that

[frank basin]

I would depend on zealot knife run plasteel scavenging

[tiny summit]

Is it normalization or just acceptance w/ no change in sight?

[tiny summit]

Ah

[frank ether]

the reverse of this are all the slowpokes who stay up there 3 rooms behind the team and get netted in an unreachable spot after the rest of the team jumps down

I hate tourists worse than knife zealots

at least zealot will be at the elevator

[frank basin]

Is rare for me to have zealot knife rush ahead

[tiny summit]

You got a good roll though. I'm atm hunting for my 80 dmg, 80 stopping power helbores

[frank ether]

normalization because people genuinely defend it like I'm the issue

like I have 500+ hours in this game

[crude ermine]

Probably a mix of both

Stages of grief and whatnot

[frank ether]

at 500 hours you can't tell me I need to grind more for good weapons

[thorn plinth]

its so far one of the best rolls i have gotten, without actively trying to get rolls Xd

[frank ether]

thats brain damaged take

[pine snow]

ykw that's fair

why do they have to lock it at 2

[frank basin]

I play dt lesser hour due of same gameplay about scavenging hunt on plasteel

[pine snow]

muh player engagement

[frank ether]

I still don't have like most blessings

[frank basin]

Same

[crude ermine]

Accidentally did that once

[frank ether]

especially for weapons I dont actively burn money on

[pine snow]

got this after a round keep or no

[frank basin]

Not even my Eviscerator has blessings library

[crude ermine]

2 gunners backshotted me

While one was shooting me in the front

[pine snow]

that stability hurts to see b ut wb blessings and perks

[crude ermine]

With no cover

Remember kids

Stay with the group

[frank ether]

stability is fine

problem is

you dont have surgical

and your perks are rather bad

[thorn plinth]

if nothing else, take the onslaught

[crude ermine]

Why DOES IT have infernus

[frank ether]

onslaught IV though thats a win

[crude ermine]

Like

My brain froze thinking of something

[frank ether]

Idk why it exists either

even on like

recon

I dont like it

[frank basin]

Psyker just ease to play

Veteran just pain in ass

[thorn plinth]

i liked the idea of it more than the implementation of it (infernus)

[frank basin]

Suffer the nerfs

[crude ermine]

REALLY depends on the psyker build tbh

If we're talking

Voidstrike Crit assail bubble then yeah

[pine snow]

psyker aka i lagged at near full peril and dammit i blew up

[frank basin]

Psyker kinda like inf ammo no reload just funny

[white minnow]

and vet build

[frank ether]

yes I love the idea of dot weapons but it doesnt fit gameplay since it doesnt have an acceptable purpose for a weapon like helbore thats designed to one/two shot enemies

[white minnow]

my vet certainly feels more brainless to me than the psyker build I usually run

[crude ermine]

What do you run on vet

[white minnow]

columnus mk6 psword VoC

[crude ermine]

Yeah that would be it

[thorn plinth]

indeed, its okay for beefy stuff like bosses and monsters,,,,, if the dot actually dealth meaningful damage XD

[crude ermine]

Explains it

[white minnow]

and some ranged weapon + assail + mk4 duellie on psyker

[frank basin]

Veteran weapon has recoil and ammo and require reload. Looking out good weapon roll stats and perk god that’s many task

[white minnow]

psyker having one of the widest stat scaling weapons in the game cough cough

[frank ether]

I still have it on my laspis

[frank basin]

Psyker be like m2 + m1

[frank ether]

cause Idk what else to run

[thorn plinth]

honestly not used one of those since EA xD

[crude ermine]

Man im bored might just boot up modded fallout 4 and spend more of the game crashing than playing

[frank ether]

I think I would be ok with infernus

[white minnow]

yeah purg/smite/trauma is all pretty brainless yeah

[frank basin]

Lol

[frank ether]

it if was not crit only

[white minnow]

but guns are also pretty brainless once you get used to the recoil

[frank ether]

cause you could actually use the dps boost for non crit shots

[white minnow]

to me, automatic weapons are very brainless and comfortable

[crude ermine]

I prefer the single fire

[frank basin]

That’s what i like automatic weapon

[frank ether]

guns are single target though

[crude ermine]

Mainly cause getting used to recoil is a lil difficult for me

[frank basin]

One loadout my veteran machine gunner

[crude ermine]

In any game really

[thorn plinth]

would be fine if the las weapons had an innate high crit chance and was made for such things as a baseline
without oneshotting stuff,,,

[white minnow]

there's also melee, and the pswords are one of the other brainless weapons

[pine snow]

when hotshot lasgun

[white minnow]

spam dodges without a thought in your head and you're safe 90% of the time

[frank ether]

you get high crit chance on las weapons one way or the other on veteran. Either blessings or talents

[frank basin]

No hotshot Lasgun

[tiny summit]

Yea crafting borked. Where I am right now it's that the reality is...you don't need your god roll. Most weapons are perfectly fine and viable. The problem is that we're given a grind and possible end goal so we want it. We can perfectly keep on playing but the grind and ability to get our god roll is there.

[tall torrent]

honestly just harvest onslaught

[frank basin]

300 rounds no reload stubber or hellgun would be fun

[crude ermine]

Kinda why I've stopped looking for the perfect revolver

[thorn plinth]

true true, but stuff typpically dies from that crit xD
if the fire could spread tho,, now that could be interesting

[crude ermine]

I'm more than happy with surg hc flak

No it's maniac

[frank ether]

I'd like to see the ''grays are viable for endgame'' crowd try doing twins hm with gray recon las and psword

[crude ermine]

I put on maniac

Someone will do that given the amount of spite

[iron marten]

yeah I gave up on rolling godrolls tbh, I just rely on melk at this point

[tiny summit]

I actually really didn't like using the helbores early on. God a orange one and gave it another go and getting used to the shot pacing. Love it now

[frank basin]

I still use grey chainaxe

I haven’t got upgrade yet

But still grey

[frank ether]

chainaxe is kinda ass without power blessings

[crude ermine]

I remember using helbore when I first started playing

Only time I used it till today

[frank basin]

Like forgotten to upgrade chainaxe

[frank ether]

but maybe you play malice for all I know

[pine snow]

i need something new to try other than psword plasma

[frank ether]

then it will one shot fine

[frank basin]

Is ass in damnation so yeah

[pine snow]

just not sure what i want to do

[tiny summit]

You know what I mean lmao. Hard mode twins is different from running random aurics quick plays or damns or the other difficulties the majority of players play at

[thorn plinth]

honestly same,, but after doing volley instead of shout (for penance hunting) the mk3 hellbore, i really like

[crude ermine]

I think my opinion on it was..

Fun

[frank ether]

for chainaxe on veteran the trick is to get some power blessings on it

so your damage ramps up

[crude ermine]

But I hated the sights

Now I don't care for the sights

[tiny summit]

Get a decent mk1 or mk2. Bayonet fun

[crude ermine]

And stupidly good

Like

Really good

[frank basin]

Things is I don’t have full blessing library

Of chainaxe

[frank ether]

you want headtaker and slaughterer, try to get those

[tiny summit]

Sights just reminded me of trying to play COD WaW days

[crude ermine]

No seriously if not for my powersword I'd be just stabbing to death

[thorn plinth]

personally prefer the slower charge of mk3, but to each their own ^_^

[frank ether]

the bleed blessing is also ok

[frank basin]

I have 375 chainaxe and I keep grey don’t wanna get brick

[frank ether]

if you roll that one its acceptable

[crude ermine]

That's a first

[tiny summit]

I like tickling the crusher with full bleed stacks and they go to half hp

[midnight totem]

alright

[frank ether]

well in random auric QP I can just melee all game and not shoot or vice versa, that doesn't mean a whole lot either

would be rather dishonest if I told you recons are viable and hop into a game to never shoot it

yes technically thats proof its viable

cause I don't even need a ranged weapon

but uh... viable doesnt mean a lot

sometimes you get forked over real bad

[frank basin]

Recon only weapon I use as machine gunner role

No heavy gunner style : (

[midnight totem]

One more mission till I get my first "never being downed above Malice"

[frank ether]

some weapons you really have tight margins and it just feels like ass over one bricked stat

[tiny summit]

There's also the steam achievement that what no dying in 10 missions in a row?

[gritty dock]

If you have Mobility =50 or less, you have 1 dodge less.
Mobility 51 and above is +1 dodge. 🙂

[midnight totem]

its 5 missions, 10, and then 15 missions in a row, I think?

I almost lost it that mission, when I got trapped through a crowd and then flamethrowered

but luckily our zealot was on the ball

[serene sage]

that's why you get the ranged/melee damage plugin so no shenanigans

[tiny summit]

Nvm it's 10 missions in a row without being downed but it can be down in Malice

[iron marten]

I still don't have this achievement

lmao

[midnight totem]

I went halfway through that game without taking health damage too, but then my team ran into three snipers with gunners suppressing

we were out in the open too

that was rough, two people died outright

[frank basin]

Imagine crusher patrol

[crude ermine]

I got jumpscared by a crusher Rager horde

[midnight totem]

we would've preferred a crusher patrol. We would've annihilated a crusher patrol

[tiny summit]

Silent mauler congaline behind you

[crude ermine]

I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST Å BOMBER

[tiny summit]

I love it when you don't realize it's scab ragers until they are 3ft in front of you

[frank ether]

I think locking an exec-mf recon vld veteran into auric t5 would be a little disrespectful to my teammates lmao

thats asking to get carried and steal all the ammo

[serene sage]

brb

[crude ermine]

Moments like that make me miss shout

And makes me realize

[frank ether]

don't do it

[tiny summit]

Lemme try this when I get back from this job trip

[crude ermine]

I need to stop getting close like that

[frank ether]

what have I done

I have unleashed an unspeakable horror

[frank basin]

Bulwark is annoying

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[frank basin]

I got ganged up by 3

[crude ermine]

Especially on revolver

[wanton dawn]

Take responsability

[crude ermine]

(I run shredder)

No krak for me

[stuck gorge]

oh that reminds me of when i was just starting to level veteran on sedition difficulty. it was that one hold out section where you're sealed in the circular room thats really foggy, my team had to face 2 crushers and 4 maulers. we all died sob

[frank ether]

how 😔

[tiny summit]

We just need a youtube channel to say "hey guys here's this broken exe mf recon build'

[frank ether]

I can't unrecon the auric que

[midnight totem]

shredder grenades aren't bad against bulwarks

its just not an instakill

[wanton dawn]

Make it works

[frank ether]

do any of you actually have a recon loadout

I'll do it

[frank basin]

I never tried play auric

[frank ether]

also which recon was the least puke one

[frank basin]

I always on casual damnation

[frank ether]

was it vld?

[wanton dawn]

There is crusher in sedition now ?

[iron marten]

6d was the least puke one

[stuck gorge]

idfk how but that ONE singular hold out section is the only time ive seen crushers in sedition

[iron marten]

rip crit chain shocktrooper nerf, you'll be missed

[frank ether]

I hope you're not trolling me cause I'm about to make one

dw I won't blame you if it sucks

its a recon ofc its gonna suck

[iron marten]

6d was the recon everyone used when it was allowed to shine

the ultra fast shooting one

[crude ermine]

Then it got smacked harder than a drunken alcoholic's kid

[frank basin]

My top level 545 recon mk VIIa so suck

[wanton dawn]

Oh well, never played carnival in sedition anyway

[frank ether]

hmm

why not the

uh

the guaranteed rending in the middle

[frank basin]

Only 10%

[tiny summit]

Onslaught is there

[frank ether]

so is the mf rending

tho

[frank basin]

10%

[frank ether]

onslaught I get it

[tiny summit]

Hmm could. But gotta lean into MF more

[frank ether]

yes, they both %10

middle one is constant

works on your melee aswell

[tiny summit]

But for the memes

[frank ether]

hmm

you know what

[tiny summit]

It's for the recon

[frank ether]

fine

we're going recon anyways

might aswell leave my reasoning behind

[frank basin]

My vet loadout do have onslaught use recon on crusher

[iron marten]

lmao

[frank basin]

Is take while to kill

But can’t handle more than 1 crusher

[gritty dock]

I like this talent. 👍

[crude ermine]

Fuk your reasoning and your bloodline

[tiny summit]

Fine but there's no MF rending unless we neuter exe

[frank ether]

😔

[wanton dawn]

Wait, is that crab walk ?

[tiny summit]

Yes

[wanton dawn]

Ffs

[tiny summit]

Crab walk the entire mission with recon

[frank ether]

I would just drop crabwalk but I'm dumb

[frank basin]

Some keystone mediocre?

[thick rose]

[frank ether]

nice

ghost>headhunter
stamina>maniac

easy godroll

[crude ermine]

Brick unfortunately

Doesn't have the secret blessing

John

[tiny summit]

Could have Longshot and ET over Close Order Drill and CK but I think the middle are more value. Because "up to 20% dmg" on a weapon with low base dmg is kinda...

[frank ether]

I'd probably go longshot route yeah

[frank basin]

Close damage is 15 meter?

[frank ether]

depends on weapon

some 15, some 7

[frank basin]

I can’t tell

By weapon

[frank ether]

me neither

but thats ok because I dont care about close damage

[crude ermine]

I just go with it

[frank ether]

power is where its at

[crude ermine]

If they're a reliable source

[frank basin]

But my dumdum recon 😔

[frank ether]

isnt dumdum power

[frank basin]

Yes

No

Can’t remember

[crude ermine]

Maybe?

[iron marten]

dumdum is power

[frank basin]

6% something

On close range

[tiny summit]

Gamelantern says dmg

[iron marten]

ye, it stacks up to 5 times

[frank ether]

it was power last time I checked

[tulip condor]

I'll keep that in mind, thx

[frank ether]

and power is gud

[frank basin]

30% total

[wanton dawn]

Marksman focus is the only keystone i might consider skipping and even that seems weird cuz the stat node before are really strong by themselves

[frank basin]

Does that lot damage?

[frank ether]

hmm

recon doesnt have great finesse right

since it has shit TTK anyways

[frank basin]

Aw

[frank ether]

why not focus mark?

flat nice damage

gives stamina, toughness and damage buffs

I'd be semi useful to the team at least

[tiny summit]

Hey you said the meme exe mf recon. Can't back out!

[frank ether]

oh crab

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, going left side without taking deadshot seems weird

[crude ermine]

CRAB?

WHERE

[frank ether]

lets start by making a 6d

[frank basin]

I have mk6d with shit blessing locked like stripped down

[tiny summit]

We could go dead shot and duck and dive. Your Stam is gonna be eaten like crazy because of the fire rate

[frank basin]

Making new one is pain

[iron marten]

I remember spending a lot on this when patch 13 dropped lmao

[wanton dawn]

You can take all stam regen along the way

You know what ? Try my columnus build

[frank basin]

I can’t have my loadout veteran use universal guns

I’m stuck between

Recon and brauto

[frank ether]

boiled him in pepsi max

[wanton dawn]

With sunder ps, 2 stam curios

[frank ether]

hey ps is cheating

[wanton dawn]

And all 3× stam regen

[frank ether]

you gotta use the recon

[wanton dawn]

Thats because i tried to make a viable build

[crude ermine]

1v1 Recon only no melee no ability

No csgo

[frank ether]

hard to go unviable with psword

[tiny summit]

But no free crits

[serene sage]

nevermind shit is so ass

[frank basin]

dtgo

[serene sage]

why would they do this

[frank basin]

Darktide: Global Offensive

[frank ether]

wait wait wait

are you actually gonna

deadshot recon

[serene sage]

I was holding down M1 the entire game too

[wanton dawn]

Maybe

[serene sage]

can't get kill elites

[crude ermine]

Who the fuck is Hadrons feet

[serene sage]

good luck to those who want to try this shitshow of a gun

[frank basin]

Did you got ganged up by groaner?

[wanton dawn]

But from what i member, recon is just a boring gun

[serene sage]

by crushers lmao

[frank basin]

[serene sage]

it's horrible

[tiny summit]

You should be able to kill a crusher with like...half a mag?

[serene sage]

ttk on gunners is way too long

[frank basin]

Brauto so lacking blessing like ogryn power maul

[wanton dawn]

I dont see the point of using a gun that is both boring and weak

[serene sage]

well technically it was gunners

[tiny summit]

We're brainstorming here man.

[serene sage]

i had to leave cover because of crushers

[tiny summit]

Trying to bring back the suffering for vets

[serene sage]

coming in and I dont have damage to deal with them

[iron marten]

that 2nd vets name...

[celest vine]

what do we think

[wanton dawn]

Honestly though, for "viable" recon i would go right keystone

[tiny summit]

That's just a melee build!

[frank basin]

Prosthetic feet

[serene sage]

I mean shotty is fun and usable

[crude ermine]

Mmmm

I mesn

Ew

[serene sage]

recon is actively shooting yourself in the foot

oh wait

[tiny summit]

I remember seeing zealot called "VoreMeEmperor

[wanton dawn]

Nah, thats having an option when backed in the corner

[frank ether]

🤢

[crude ermine]

Had a guy named sewerslvt

[serene sage]

the gun is so ass you prob can't even shoot yourself inthe foot

[crude ermine]

Never left the sewer

[celest vine]

which one is better? cant decide between the two

[crude ermine]

Like refused to leve

[iron marten]

I mean, even if you could with it, you'd probably still be fine

[wanton dawn]

Recon has no impact and no cleave. Need to switch to defend oneself

[iron marten]

can't do the ol' ww1 tactic of getting sent home that way!

[midnight totem]

and just like that, I believe I failed the penance to avoid being downed

[frank basin]

Gg

[crude ermine]

Id say right

[frank ether]

it could have some use if it had cleave

[midnight totem]

yup

I failed it

[celest vine]

doesnt matter that both blessings on left are lvl 4?

[midnight totem]

tried using my non optimal power sword on my alt on a crusher

[wanton dawn]

Took me 2 days of malice gameplay to get it. Cancer penance

[celest vine]

its what im torn on

[midnight totem]

It did not kill the crusher and he landed his overhead

[crude ermine]

I mean it's nice, but the 25% for those two should help leeway it

[iron marten]

yeah I ain't going for that 10 games with no downs

[wanton dawn]

15*

[iron marten]

I ain't about to boot up malice either for it lmao

[celest vine]

ill run a few games with the right one

[iron marten]

oh yeah 15. 10 for the steam achievement

[frank basin]

Veteran is heresy difficult to play?

[celest vine]

I just got it rolled 5 minutes ago

[wanton dawn]

At low lvl in pubs ? Yes

[iron marten]

if it's your first time playing this type of game, then yeah

[tiny summit]

Go in meat grinder and see how a non crit headshot and bodyshot do against ragers, flamers and mutant

[midnight totem]

well, it is my own damn fault for trying it with a meme build

[iron marten]

if you're a vt2 vet, should be fine

[stuck gorge]

oh yea what damage type are monstrosities

[iron marten]

unyielding

scab captains, I believe, are flak

[wanton dawn]

Heresy introduces crusher and at low lvl ppl usually lack armor pen

Also huge jump in hp

[frank basin]

Why game latern said unyielding

[frank ether]

lmao

hmm maybe I should update my scoreboard mod

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-crush-crusher-skull-halloween-gif-26163235

[tiny summit]

So when I'm able to play what weapon should we allow with recon? PS6 too op to let it be a true recon run

[crude ermine]

Hmm

Taxe

[iron marten]

idk, dclaw

[wanton dawn]

Get that murder outta here poor skeleton

[frank ether]

I'm too broke to fix my VlA

[tiny summit]

God I don't even have a orange taxe

[frank ether]

so Vld it is

[crude ermine]

Even better

[frank ether]

I apologize to my team

here we go

Vld/d.claw 7

[iron marten]

the good ol' days when crucian roulette applied to your taxe, so you just used the reduced toughness damage on crit as zealot

[wanton dawn]

Man you confused the IRS with that sentence

[celest vine]

the difference is that I can one hit crit headshot flamers now

I couldnt do that with the old laser

[iron marten]

lmao

[frank basin]

I like the new chainaxe light attack spam

[tiny summit]

I do too. Needs slaughterer or headtaker imo otherwise it feels like it just stalls a horde

[frank basin]

Sadly I don’t have those in library

My tier 4 is empty

Is a lot blessing for that chainaxe

Grind is pain to get the blessing

[tiny summit]

Still bullshit chain weapons need blessing to bleed

[frank basin]

Fr

Has sharp teeth doesn’t make enemies bleed out

Game logic?

[stuck gorge]

why do our blades make enemies take damage but not bleed??

do we cauterize the wound instantly??

[thick rose]

laspistol... dumdum infernus?

[frank basin]

Probably their nurgle blessing prevent bleeding

[crude ermine]

I feel lasguns would

Similar to blasters from SW

[frank basin]

Lasgun burn

Giving enemies spot black burnt

[crude ermine]

Would still hurt like a bitch regardless

[frank basin]

So the gun kinda arcade-ish?

[midnight totem]

lasguns do cauterize in lore

[stuck gorge]

but like the chain sword/axe would fuck you up severely yet no bleeding

[crude ermine]

Probably an oversight

[frank basin]

I think fs need rework melee system make bit realism

[tiny summit]

Like I get they want status effects to not just auto apply from everything. I can handle a knife not causing bleed on its own. I can handle lasguns not burning on their own. It's just...chain weapons. I have to setup and have a blessing to have a chainsaw cause bleed

[crude ermine]

Or as realistic as 40k allows it to be

[frank basin]

Make more something immersive?

Teeth blade cause bleed

Scab Armor not effective being bleed from

[stuck gorge]

when do i get the thunder hammers just denting in the skulls of crushers fr fr?

[frank basin]

That complicated for lore

[crude ermine]

Scab takes less bleed than non armoured

And uh

Uhh

Yeah that's it

That's my only idea

[frank basin]

Melee in game is arcade so yeah

They dies with gibs

[wanton dawn]

I know, lets make it realistic ! Chain weapon get stuck, laser is only damaging to the eyes and we get sick if a poxwalker touch us !

[stuck gorge]

dont forget it it sneezes on you

[wanton dawn]

Also psyker explode for real. With blood. In mist

[tiny summit]

Rogue Trader can have your psyker roll a 1 and die to perils of the warp

[stuck gorge]

Also veteran doesnt exist, they have died in the guard

[umbral scaffold]

This chainsword is 2 damage away from one-shotting a dreg shooter

I fucking hate this game sometimes

[stuck gorge]

sob

[wanton dawn]

I mean, with what talent ?

[umbral scaffold]

Worst part is, I don't think it even can with 80%

[blazing horizon]

You know what always 1 shots dreg shooters? Plasma

[midnight totem]

it can't not even with 80

unless you have the talents for it

[stuck gorge]

do inspect and it'll show if you are actually at the max dmg when you hover over the dmg stat

[wanton dawn]

There is 5 talents in vet tree that improve melee dmg unconditionally, 3 without weakspot

[tiny summit]

Grey helbore mk1 needs 80 dmg/~70ish stopping power to 1 tap dreg gunners with stuff like weakspot dmg talent. At 79 dmg it'll do 1400 and still not kill

[umbral scaffold]

I'm running desperado, precision strikes and both melee damage nodes

[wanton dawn]

Dmg aura it is then

[umbral scaffold]

Unironic krak grenade usage

I lose the damage boost anyway because going back to stealth makes me miss the melee node unless I sacrifice grenade regen

[tiny summit]

Been about 20 min. I guess @frank ether didn't die yet

[umbral scaffold]

Fatshark asking Stephen Hawking the most mathematically viable way to fuck me

[frank ether]

just did

[tiny summit]

Sooooo how was it?

[frank ether]

at least I won't have to apologize to my team

they were worse than me

I lost %90 hp trying to do the gameboy event

nobody covered

[stuck gorge]

brain bursta holding items for a solid 55.6 seconds!!! 🔥

[umbral scaffold]

Next stop is a graia IAG with a crit perk

Just need monet

[tiny summit]

Lmao so obviously further testing needs to be done.

How was the ammo with 5 boxes?

[frank ether]

oh yea the psyker

he was.. there

he existed

and then he didn't

[frank ether]

bad

I was down to like 100 something

[tiny summit]

So definitely can't carry with it huh?

[thorn plinth]

"make every shot count" using plasma, done, 2 to go 😛

[graceful acorn]

Is the 20% chance from twinned blast that potent or should I place it elsewhere? (grenade spam focused)

[frank ether]

nah its just bad no matter how I look at it

it chews ammo faster than it kills

[tall torrent]

1.6k dmg taken is insane

[tiny summit]

Depends on your build and what else you can get

[tiny summit]

Can't wait to suffer like this next week

[midnight totem]

its not potent, but on occassion it is hilarious

[frank ether]

time to main ogryn lol

[tiny summit]

Sometimes the other will hit the architecture because it's thrown at a different angle

[tall torrent]

Zealot taking 1.6k dmg is actually insane

[stuck gorge]

why is twinned blast only 20% tho itd be so much better with a higher %

[tall torrent]

What was he even doing

[wanton dawn]

Zealot can regen health though

[tall torrent]

It’s still a lot

[tiny summit]

Obviously using my brain dead build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b07ecf4-9652-494a-aba2-84d193f4a885/brain-dead-martyr?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[frank ether]

it wasnt that long of a game

[tiny summit]

Was it a wound zealot?

[frank ether]

no

[graceful acorn]

honestly lol I'm trying to make like a stealth bomber/monster hunter build and the chance to spam more grenades at once sounds fun but 20% just seems eh

[tiny summit]

OK then nevermind. The fuck he doin?

[frank ether]

Idk quickplay auric experience

in the morning

[stuck gorge]

if it was at least 50% or if it was just straight up every like 2nd / 3rd grenade would throw an extra it'd be better

[thorn plinth]

i use it on frag grenades (bleed) with al lthe other grenade nodes, i would say that roughly every 3rd throw is a double.
and stacking the bleed feels great

[tiny summit]

Do you have demo team? Demo team and stockpile may be fun.

[tall torrent]

Contemplating just farming damnation Karnak regular for dockets

Assuming 1 game including loading times is 10 mins (at most)
19950 per run, with triple +10% docket perk on curios, that’s roughly 26k per run
Can run around 6 runs per hour for 156k/hr, at the minimum

[graceful acorn]

Yes I got every other grenade node except field impov lol

[wanton dawn]

You forgot hm bell

[tall torrent]

Does HM give extra dockets?

[wanton dawn]

No, reduce success rate in pubs

[frank basin]

lmao

[tall torrent]

I’m thinking just regular bell skip and farm with my friends

4 people speedrun that to get as many dockets as possible

[frank ether]

oh I actually recorded what happened to that zealot

[tall torrent]

I just checked, for whatever reason it has the same docket payout as regular damnation missions

[frank ether]

I'll upload it in a moment

[leaden grove]

ever been in the middle of clutching a game and you have your braindead teammates telling you what to do while dead?. i hate it

[wanton dawn]

Man, seeing ppl create farm plan is weird when you are rich

[wanton dawn]

Yeah. I usually respond with "dead ppl dont talk"

[leaden grove]

i lived longer dont tell me how to play is my favorite

[iron marten]

never had people try to backseat me in my 900 hours

[frank basin]

...

[wanton dawn]

I had ppl get into an argument while i was clutching

It was worse somehow

[stuck gorge]

most games ive played so far with my 80 hours is either nobody chats at all, or like 2 things are said in chat.

[leaden grove]

had a group shit talk me... after i clutched three times

[wanton dawn]

Dont rez them

[leaden grove]

i did just so i could clutch again lmao

[frank basin]

should this go with meme infernus hh?

[iron marten]

holy shit

[tall torrent]

I spent on commissary cosmetics and went broke

[wanton dawn]

I have -all- docket cosmetics

[iron marten]

do you mean all

[wanton dawn]

ALL OF EM

[graceful acorn]

Ă̴̕l̷͛͛l̶͛̏?

[tall torrent]

They’re alright, at least they don’t have the most horrendous clipping issues like some cash shop ones

[iron marten]

all

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-gary-oldman-leon-the-professional-smooth-gif-23454706

[graceful acorn]

I think he got all of them

[wanton dawn]

Thats the power of playing too much

[graceful acorn]

I hope to reach that point one day

[ebon umbra]

commissary has nice jeans

[wanton dawn]

Dont say that too loud there are jeanstealer on tertium

[frank basin]

is people still pick Deadly accurate and hh for infantry mg 4?

[frank ether]

yes

even tho it shoots too fast to be headshot weapon

there is no better alternative

[tall torrent]

If MG4 had dum dum it would be way better

[terse idol]

Do I just stick infernus on this thing

[tall torrent]

This is fine actually

Raking fire is not bad

[terse idol]

Oh sweet

Whew

[tall torrent]

If u wanna play infiltrate

[terse idol]

oh right, get those backshots

[frank basin]

i use mg 4 for hipfiring, probadly go crits perk.

i got full auto mod on

[rare pumice]

Anyone completed the over watch penance? Been trying to get it done for the past few hours and came up short every time

[midnight totem]

is that the one where you don't take a melee hit to health?

I have

[terse idol]

Yuh me too

[terse idol]

Oh you could also do it in Orthus offensive

[blazing horizon]

Unless Rinda decides to ruin your day

Honestly just spam voice of command

[tiny summit]

Yea, uh positioning and awareness. Base shovel is a good "get off me" weapon. Just always be prepared to dodge and/or swap to block

[terse shell]

literally only missing cycler IV

[thorn plinth]

only overwatch left for vet (and just x number of missions completed)

[blazing horizon]

Just run low intensity, keep voice of command for when you get surrounded, and just get lucky

[terse idol]

well or BM

Worse case, you can also get a friend to act as your shadow

that's how I helped my friend get it

I just sat behind him like his shadow and caught everything that came by

[blazing horizon]

Yeah I ran taunt ogryn to help my friend

She got it her first attempt, took me like a day solo

[terse shell]

whats that

[terse idol]

Brutal momentum

[thorn plinth]

yup, with as much toughness as i can get, since only health damage counts

[blazing horizon]

Yeah it just sucks because even with a lot of toughness, it only takes about two hits before you start taking chip damage

[thorn plinth]

it does not take much yeah. but the more the better, with damage reduction

[junior needle]

Not without rampage already active (it gives power despite the description)

[midnight totem]

thanks for testing

[thorn plinth]

blessings dont carry over between weapon variants,,, right?

[noble charm]

correct

[junior needle]

Blessings are only shared in a family, but will share in the same family across classes

[thorn plinth]

damn

[junior needle]

So an agri IAG/columnus IAG/graia IAG all share blessings, on all your characters, but none share blessings with braced autos

[thick rose]

sounds right

[junior needle]

Even if it's the exact same blessings

[graceful acorn]

Looking for a high gun damage setup for high priority targets/bosses with infiltrate as my ability. What's a good contender? Plasma gun I'm guessing? I have like no other buffs but the 30% damage from infil

[thick rose]

or revolver

[frank ether]

only for the same weapon families

its kinda annoying but sooner or later you get the blessings

its the crafting locks that stays a problem

[midnight totem]

bolter 😄

[graceful acorn]

I still can't get over the tiny veteran holding the giant bolter lol

[blazing horizon]

Plasma is generally better than bolter

[graceful acorn]

What would be best for plasma? Gets hot and Shattering impact?

[tiny summit]

Gets hot and Blaze away usually

[graceful acorn]

Haven't messed with blaze away does it work on fully charged shot spam or only when quick firing?

[tiny summit]

I think quick fire only. As it stands atm charge kinda meh

[graceful acorn]

I know, but I'm hoping with my buffed krak grenade spam and using charged shots I'll be able to decimate bosses and the 1,2, hundred elites lol

[thorn plinth]

wanted to try out hellbore mk2 with the same blessings as my mk3 xD

[tiny summit]

It's good

You'll fall in love with the bayonet. May not 1 tap as many things but it's fire rate will make up for it

[thorn plinth]

also,,, does hounds pounce count as melee damage for the overwatch penance?
i never took any health damage,, until the very end (without mobs) where a hound jumped me through the entire team

[thorn plinth]

thats one of the things i find interesting,, since the mk3 chop is rather dissapointing

[wanton dawn]

#veteran-class message

[gaunt hinge]

getting jumped deals corruption damage to your hp, so probably

[blazing horizon]

I don't believe so, hounds or poxbursters shouldn't count

[thorn plinth]

exaclty xD
im loving my chainsword for pure horde clear, tho i need a replacement soon

[wanton dawn]

#veteran-class message

[thorn plinth]

😅

[serene sage]

hound counts, poxbusters don't

[thorn plinth]

damn, so close then XD

[frank ether]

chances are its gonna work better

hb2 is more forgiving with crafting

since you dont need one specific blessing setup to make it work

[thorn plinth]

i assume onslaught, not sure on second one (dont remember the ones it can get, gonna check the builder)

[molten sluice]

I tried Helbore and I just don't understand it

Seems like you need to line up charged headshots with it every time to kill something

[frank ether]

actually no all you need is surgical

it shoots fast enough

[molten sluice]

But I can already do that on infantry lasguns

[thorn plinth]

i felt the same the first time i tried it,, but after forcing it into volely for penance, i actually like it (at least mk 3 that i used)

[urban steppe]

try it ? or meh ?

[molten sluice]

With better sights and without charging

[frank ether]

if you roll surgical-onslaught thats good but hb2 will also work well with no respite or even infernus

[molten sluice]

And throw kraks at crushers

[thorn plinth]

but will surgical not be wasted due to how fast you shoot?
outside of the first shot before the fight breaks out?

[tiny summit]

That's kinda the plan. Aim and shoot. You can get 1 taps with uncharged shots on some enemies like the riflemen

[frank ether]

you hold your shot when you need a crit

you're supposed to be staying in ads with helbores anyway

[tiny summit]

No. You'll get an minimum 10% extra crit chance and extra as you line up you next shots

[molten sluice]

But there are usually a ton of enemies, including a horde in close combat tearing me a new one

[thorn plinth]

i might just be stuck in my revolver ways xD
where i let surgical stack fully before i let go

[molten sluice]

At least rifles are fast to switch to

Rifles, revolvers, laspistols, autoguns

[frank ether]

this is what I prefer to use

[tiny summit]

Yea but MF mk2 helbore can 1 tap ragers

[frank ether]

I have a similar roll with onslaught instead but I'm fine with no respite

[molten sluice]

I tried it, I have a 280 roll one

It doesn't one-tap them

It one-taps nothing

[frank ether]

make a non garbage roll then

[molten sluice]

At least 280 Kantrael Ia actually one-taps some enemies

[tiny summit]

I do fine. You have the bayonet for enemies close and every shot is a near 1 tap for gunners and I don't need to worry about suppression on helbores

[frank ether]

game doesnt even sell 280 roll items at lvl30

go level up

[tranquil bronze]

How important is sprint efficiency?

[tiny summit]

All grey helbores with enough dmg and some talents can 1 tap scab and dreg riflemen w/o charge

[midnight totem]

just one trinket with sprint efficiency or using vanguard will do

[molten sluice]

I'm grinding Damnation for levels, so I try to use things that are useful. Not OP like plasma. Level 24 currently.

[frank ether]

helbore is useful

[midnight totem]

its not that important but having it will make your life easier if you know what you're doing

[tiny summit]

But yea we're talking about max potential weapons. Mk3 helbore with 80 dmg can 1 tap all riflemen uncharged.

[frank ether]

game isnt balanced around bringing low rolls to damnation

[molten sluice]

I don't have good enough aim to hit headshots like on every dreg gunner with helbore. It;s much easier to headshot with anything else.

[tranquil bronze]

I thank the Emperor this will put me through Damnation easily

[molten sluice]

So helbores only work decent with proper rolls?

[tranquil bronze]

Just pray that your Ogryn teammates doesn't bull rush off a ledge

[tiny summit]

Get to 30 and get a nice helbore. It'll make clean work of the gunners

[frank ether]

helbore is some of the easiest weapons to craft

[tiny summit]

No they work fine with unoptimal rolls. But lvling experience weapons are not as good as lvl 30

[frank ether]

but if you can't aim you can't aim nothing can cure that

all you need is high damage, stopping power and charge rate

stability and ammo are dump stats

with high I dont even mean 80

just 75+

hb2 might need a bit more for some breakpoints

[tiny summit]

I like my infantry lasguns. I think they are good. Like my helbores more. They reliably 1 tap with a full build from tree, perks and blessings and come with a bayonet that let's me deal with a few trash mobs in my immediate area to get back to shooting. And don't need suppression immunity on them

[frank ether]

playstyle thing

at the end of the day

I think hb1 is the best

but use hb3 the most

[molten sluice]

They don't need supression immunity?

[tiny summit]

Nope

[frank ether]

nope

I dont take sup immunity on lasguns either

infant las pretty shaky on its own

[tiny summit]

You can stand in the open against 30 gunners and as long as I can click heads I'm accurate and invincible

[frank ether]

what makes infant las ugly for me is the visual recoil

[tiny summit]

I go back and forth on it, suppression immunity helps but Ia and MG4 fire rates make up for it

[frank ether]

Everytime I use MG4

[molten sluice]

How? I wish Helbore had Ghost blessing on it

[frank ether]

it just really makes me want to use laspistol

you know?

[molten sluice]

Would make it actually really useful

[tiny summit]

Run this when you get a nice helbore.

You'll regen enough toughness off head clicking and enough DR that you won't care

[frank ether]

you really shouldnt be struggling with gunners on hb

it overkills them so hard

[tiny summit]

Understandable

[frank ether]

they both have the issue of being overly reliant on crits

at least laspis is really mobile and has stamina to make deadshot work

[molten sluice]

Alright I see. But is demolition team better than 1 grenade/60s?

[frank ether]

and mg4 gets headhunter in return I guess?

[tiny summit]

Not better but it's my pathing. I didn't want to use 2 points for 60s regen. And in auric damns, there's enough elites/specials that I get plenty of grenades. Feel free to change a few things. Exhilarating Takedown and Confirmed Kill at the top with Iron Will at the bottom middle are the important bits to be invincible against counter firing gunners

[frank ether]

hmm

my helbore 2 is 50 damage short of 2 shotting rager with bayonet

wonder if a higher roll could do it with no build change

[tiny summit]

Can you 2 piece a rager? Hit and fire a charge shot?

[molten sluice]

Is marksman's focus needed?

[tiny summit]

I wouldn't say needed. It's my preference. You're clicking heads with a helbore so more crit and headshot dmg. With some stacks helbores will start 1 tapping ragers more reliably.

Also it has a node that gives even more toughness replenish off ET and CK. I'm also memeing a lil because I use Born Leader. Maximizing the amount of toughness I give to team off ET and CK. Do I know the math? No. But I'm clicking heads and giving toughness

[frank ether]

with charge shot I can one shot it

well not from melee range cus killzone is disabled

[thorn plinth]

might be worth investing deeper into?

[tiny summit]

Pull the lever

[thorn plinth]

lets see what we get

[terse idol]

Wouldn't persoonally take carapace but! yeah, it's fine

[terse idol]

I gotta test out rending

[tranquil bronze]

Had no choice, the other perk was stamina.

[gaunt hinge]

whats your helbore looking like

[tiny summit]

Nice nice for a first mk2. Shame on the perks and onslaught but still workable

[tiny summit]

He's still lvling

[gaunt hinge]

[thorn plinth]

thinking for now, onslaught for surgical, and stamina for,,, maniacs?

[tiny summit]

I mean we say onslaught isn't needed on a mk2 but it's not bad. Definitely value onslaught 4 over infernus because most things are gonna die 1-2 hits with charged shots.

Like...infernus is weird for helbore because the burn isn't super significant and most things are gonna die to the follow up shot

[rancid tinsel]

any suggestions on what I should reroll on this? im thinking the stamnia and riposte, just dont know what

[tiny summit]

I would add maniac and either change infernus to surgical or the other perk to another dmg type

[thorn plinth]

i know for most things it wont matter, my thought process (which could very well be wrong) was simply, surgical for crit, talents for crits, extra fire against big targets that take multiple hits to go down

[tiny summit]

You can. But it is lvl 4 onslaught. That extra charge speed would definitely make up for dps over infernus. Infernus is weird

For big targets like monstrosities...well I just run up and stab them

[thorn plinth]

xD fair

[molten sluice]

Grey 280 Helbore with stats all over the place

[tiny summit]

Like when building mk2 if you got one with shit perks, surgical and another perk we would just say swap the perks. You already got onslaught on it, doesn't hurt

[thorn plinth]

aaah, in any case, i dont have surgical as a blessing atm

[tiny summit]

Damn

[thorn plinth]

so i bought a few more,,,, got a 378 XD

[wanton dawn]

@hybrid token that you the 900+ vet with agri brauto ? Nice build btw

Am stealing it

[tiny summit]

Also crit chance as a perk isn't the worst with mk2 to make up for its shorter time between shots having less surgical stacks

[thorn plinth]

cant get it fully upgraded tho,, need more plasteel XD

[spare mountain]

I assume this is worth grabbing from Melk?

[wanton dawn]

yup

[tiny summit]

Optimal stat alignment and lvl 4 blessings and he asks if it's good enough

[wanton dawn]

Well, you need to like unyielding

And shattering is not meta

But it is definitely one of those 360 thats better than some 380

[dusky flare]

Riposte is way better than haymaker

[swift ingot]

Customized mk6 ps I use on my Hive Ganger Melee Vet

[frank basin]

Da Hive ganger

[spare mountain]

will I lose out on a dodge with 50 vs 51 mobility

[swift ingot]

The blade is actually a stretched out knife blade and it actually looks awesome

[spare mountain]

also what perks should I swap

[tiny summit]

I'm not the one to ask

[spare mountain]

wtf

[tiny summit]

Yea

[cerulean linden]

it's a feature

[frank ether]

infernus is fine you just want other one to be surgical

[marble yew]

i wanna try out an autogun, what's considered the overall best autogun?

[frank ether]

personally I would go:
reload speed>maniac
onslaught>surgical 4

and leave the stamina for potential deadshot synergy.

or you can just go flak/maniac but without some form of crit chance infernus is kinda wasted, so you would have to go deadshot regardless

[tiny summit]

Columnus IAG hands down, Agri Brauto pretty cool too

[frank ether]

brautos are rly cool on zealot

on veteran I think best way to build brauto is to

just go exec+focus mark?

thats how I would do it at least

iags just work with any build

[junior needle]

infernus is fine
helbore

[frank ether]

its a helbore 2

[junior needle]

Still not good, even if it's least bad on the 2

[tiny summit]

Like mk2 can live w/o onslaught

[frank ether]

it will shoot faster than your brain can line up shots

[junior needle]

It's like having infernus on a k12

[marble yew]

Rolled this one, can i make this work? 🤔

[junior needle]

Reroll unarmored to flak and one of the blessings to dumdum, there you go

[tiny summit]

Yea. Get dumdum over raking fire and call it a day

[junior needle]

Ciag needs very little to reach 98% power

[frank ether]

no lmao far from it

you dont have a mandatory finesse damage blessing on helbores

[marble yew]

👍

[tiny summit]

But could also keep raking fire since during a monstrosity you can make use of it over deathspitter

[frank ether]

ıt won't add much but it will work fine

drop deadly on mg12 and uh oh headshot do no damage

all helbore needs to do is to actually hit a crit headshot

[junior needle]

It has less to do with blessing availability, more practical effectiveness. High damage/low rof means less infernus value. Infernus is questionable even on the faster firing infantry lasguns.

Helbores kill things in too few shots to get much value out of it

[tiny summit]

Tap firing the monstrosity

[swift ingot]

What if for the heavy variant of the revolver they made it single action? That would be pretty cool

[frank ether]

I don't see you suggest anything better

[junior needle]

Onslaught/surgical or no respite/surgical?

These are well known options

[frank ether]

then you're stuck with two dead perks

have you looked at the weapon

reload speed as if you're gonna reload at all with hb2

[junior needle]

What I'm saying is, while you can accept infernus as a concession for crafting, it's a low value blessing.

on the helbores

[frank ether]

I dont remember saying its super good

I said its fine

[junior needle]

I think it falls below "fine"

Is what I'm trying to tell you

[tiny summit]

I think your standards are too high

[jolly hemlock]

he asked if he can make it "work" not a god roll

[tiny summit]

Need to understand what "fine" really should mean. We mando onslaught/surgical on mk1/3s because of their charge times. On a mk2 surgical/whatever is "fine"

[frank ether]

I wouldn't sell infernus as super good either but it adds some dps to bosses which is more than enough reason some people take the bloody marksman keystone for

[junior needle]

Could swap blessing and reload speed and keep the stamina for deadshot.

[frank ether]

my ideal roll has no respite instead

but if you bricked 4/4

you gotta work with either that or onslaught

[tiny summit]

I would never sell deadshot for a helbore imo

[frank ether]

I'd be more doable on a hb2 but yeah fair

[junior needle]

If you aren't charging to full surgical stacks for every shot, you still get deadshot value

[hybrid prawn]

can infantry autogun reach 999 ammo?

[frank ether]

stamina still would be useful than reload speed on a helbore though

[tiny summit]

Rather have the weakspot and not use stam.

[tiny summit]

More sprinting always nice

[frank ether]

it has reload speed / stam soo

[junior needle]

I don't see why unless you just hate deadshot mechanically

[frank ether]

I think keeping stam is smart if you have to make a choice

[junior needle]

You get way more potential value from deadshot

[frank ether]

If you slap like +6 stam from curios and take the middle +1

thats a lot of stamina

to work deadshot with

[tiny summit]

Surgical is enough and I like my stam not being drained and quick swap blocks

[frank ether]

I'd say surgical is normally enough aswell

though I really believe hb2 shoots way too fast to make use of it

I have to slow my shooting down to get like 4 stacks at least

and my roll doesnt even have onslaught

[junior needle]

I think you get like 1-2 stacks with onslaught if you fire at max

[frank ether]

again this is what I prefer to work with. I wouldn't trade it for onslaught roll

[junior needle]

Which is still 10-20% crit

[frank ether]

I actually rely on the audio que to tell what surgical stack I'm at

[tiny summit]

Yea. That's enough

[pastel geode]

There been any new cosmetics drop since the valhallan ice warriors?

[tiny summit]

I'll still shoot a room of gunners and it was all crits

[terse idol]

nope

Still a few weeks out

[tiny summit]

Uh maybe next week if it isn't extended by holiday

[terse idol]

Ooh

[stone adder]

Soo, what do you guys think of this build?
been unable to play darktide recently but I plan to use this build

[frank ether]

I mean I genuinely think deadshot hb2 is still 10x more viable than recon, or deadshot recon, for that matter.

[marble yew]

is the determined talent that gives supression immunity worth anything?

[swift ingot]

Now that we got drip from my favorite guard regiment, I’ll be completely fine with whatever comes after

[tiny summit]

What weapon?

[frank ether]

what gear

[tiny summit]

I mean...that's a given considering the state of recon

[stone adder]

Uhh, plasma gun,as for melee, I'm like, not sure, so sorry about that(I'm still deciding what I'll use)

[pastel geode]

Thanks, wasn’t able to check rn. Hopefully I can grab some of it before I goes poof

[swift ingot]

But if I could pick which one I’d want next, I’d probably pick the Mordian Iron Guard. Because they got mad drip

[frank ether]

you should make weapons first, then make a build for said weapons

talents looks fine btw

[tiny summit]

Yea. It'll help for certain precision weapons when trying to counter fire gunners. You can aim infantry lasguns w/o it, it'll also be easier with it

[terse idol]

I need what this guy's dripping

Kasrkins

[junior needle]

I can confirm deadshot recon is very counterproductive

You blow through your stam pool in about a second

[frank ether]

yep, even then it doesnt help

[tiny summit]

Better have the shiniest boots

[frank ether]

the big scam about it is that shock trooper doesnt count crit strings

but deadshot does

still cuts your stamina for each shot

smh

[stone adder]

Yea, I will but I like swapping between weapon on other classes a lot,
Plus like, I'm used to modding the guns themselfs(like imagine CoDs gunsmith)

[frank ether]

I know of the weapon customization mod yesm

[junior needle]

Quality game and weapon design courtesy of obesefish games

[stone adder]

Nah I meant like, changing the guns stats via weapon mods, like different barrel scope sight and so on

Like other gamws have you know?

[frank ether]

I wouldn't even be mad if the gun was auric viable

and not ''viable'' in the bad faith argument way

proper viable

[junior needle]

I think you mean auric good

[frank ether]

yep

either fix the ammo or fix the dps

how hard can it be

[junior needle]

Or both

[frank ether]

I'd take a start you know

[tiny summit]

New Year New Recon copium

[frank ether]

throw me a bone

[stone adder]

If it can kill it is viable in my eyes,

[junior needle]

Apparently they need to scratch their heads for over a year. I remember when they gave the line a 20% damage increase that ended up fixing none of their problems and barely nudged performance.

The 2 and 7a were still shit by comparison

[frank ether]

well they did it with chainaxe at least

chainaxe actually my preferred chain weapon now

chain weapons still kinda awkward with that special attack self-stun

but its not so terrible

[spark helm]

Chainsword got juiced too

[frank ether]

the whole family is bad it do be needing a rework

I got a good Vld but it still sucks

also one issue I have thats specific to recons is I can't see shitt while firing

[spark helm]

One day raspberry gun will be better (maybe?)

[frank ether]

the projectiles just cover the target

might aswell make it a beam at this point

like a big cleave beam

[junior needle]

Hopefully my dps videos getting circulated will make an impact

[spark helm]

Kind of like lmg muzzle flash and spole (whatever it's called) in milsims

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/dimden-cat-cute-discord-discord-mod-gif-23623293

[stone adder]

If I see hate in cats I'll do a mean thing to you

[untold mulch]

You are giving them too much credit. Feels more they just forgot about it

[stone adder]

Like putting you in a Rage 2 tutorial

[frank ether]

I wouldn't be suprised if all of our schizoposting was for no reason and fatshart just forgor

''recon? oh yea those were in the game''

[spark helm]

I'd just like some grenades to function similar to bardin smoke with some extra steps. Idk, slap ghost on it, force stages of minor cc on ranged units, delay threat tables while in it, shit maybe coherency stuff for allies or sumn. Idk

[junior needle]

They didn't forgor enough to not gut them

[frank ether]

oo thats an old game

I forgot it even existed

[stone adder]

Good, keep forgetting it exists

[frank ether]

I remember being hyped about it and then it just... disappeared lmao

[untold mulch]

They only forget the buffs

Cant let people have fun you know

[frank ether]

were recons even that popular btw?

[untold mulch]

Calling it old just gave me whiplash

[frank ether]

at their meta month I mean

[swift ingot]

“Mom can I have Melta Gun?” “No honey we have Melta Gun at home” Melta Gun at home:

[frank ether]

did recon see that much of a popularity surge

to warrant a panic nerf

[spark helm]

Just change the special to throw the gun like ogryn rocks. Pick it up 65% dps boost for 5.7 sec

Ez

[untold mulch]

I saw a bit more users, but I feel it wss kinda the novelty of the weapon not being absolute dogshit

[placid portal]

Make recon lasguns like tediore

[spark helm]

It worked but it wasn't anything special.

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

I mean its possible they have some kind of data that we don't, or maybe fatshart balance guy really hates the funny flashlight gun who knows

tbh I wouldn't want recon to be too good either

its a no skill gun

[tiny summit]

Not like a lot. But it was fun to me.

[untold mulch]

I think the design team just has clear favorites

[junior needle]

It had a sizable presence boost in patch 13, but then again many of the other guns had yet to be buffed properly until patch 14. Also it was the first time the guns (mostly just the 6d) weren't dogshit since near launch.

[tiny summit]

But funny lights

Artifical hard mode gun

[frank ether]

yeah which is fine, all games kinda do

they like iags I get it

[spark helm]

200% increase to firing sfx following combat ability use.

Figured it out.

[frank ether]

and I agree iags are very cool

but can recons be a little cool too

as a treat

[untold mulch]

Denied too much work -

[placid portal]

Iags are fun to use imo pre patch 13

[frank ether]

iags are fun now

[tiny summit]

It's a lasgun. Isn't that cool enough?

[frank ether]

I have no complaints iags are great rn

[placid portal]

Same

[frank ether]

it did really elevate melee vet for me

cause braced autos are just so bland for veteran

[stone adder]

It's just,
Mega mid,
It tutoriales a shotgun and a double jump,

[untold mulch]

I like brautos because using Ironsights is zoomer bs 👴

[frank ether]

I'd love brautos if they were finesse weapons

[untold mulch]

Hipfire and run like a maniac

[frank ether]

I think we need more brauto marks

that are different

[tiny summit]

All brautos should have fuller auto mode on braced