veteran-class

[tiny summit]

With the build and at the ranges you'll fight gunners, you'll have talents kick in for the extra dmg for mk2 to 1 tap dreg gunners w/o unarmored

[sacred spindle]

got it first attempt, gg

revolver op

[shadow aurora]

@indigo radish you use mods right do you know if someone has a cosmetic mod installed wether or not a person with the same mod can see it?

[muted knot]

I'm gonna make a really controversial point: I don't like surgical all that much

Maybe I'm using to wrong

[shadow aurora]

Fair

[north spoke]

Also which autogun do you guys think is the best for dealing with Flaks and Horde Clearing?

[muted knot]

Like I get why it's good

I just don't really use it

Like I have it on my guns since I'm a lil metaslave boi

But I just don't use it

[indigo radish]

i dont gave mods

[shadow aurora]

Oh im sorry

[indigo radish]

i play vanilla like a good boi

cuz datz how ogrynz are sah

[tall torrent]

I think the cosmetic mods are purely client side

[tiny summit]

Agri brauto works. Columnus IAG is overtuned

[shadow aurora]

Ah ok

Thank you cat holding mug

[tiny summit]

They can't. It's only client side

[north spoke]

I tried the Columnus Infantry autogun. Does the Agri do better in terms of damage dealing?

[terse idol]

Iirc farsgark is okay with mods as long as it doesn't mess with the cashshop

Which make sense

[sullen scarab]

Should I change anything on this Chainsword? Chuffed at the roll so far.

[muted knot]

Columnus is the best IAG right now

Pure dps wise

[muted knot]

Na that fucks

[crude ermine]

Alright I'll begin to upgrade 1 for now then try out two so that way my plasteel isn't being allocated into two parts at once

[tall torrent]

Columnus 5 is overtuned and should be nerfed

[tiny summit]

It'll hit harder per shot. Agri brauto is just good but it's a brauto if that's not something you wanna deal with

[sullen scarab]

[north spoke]

I need to find out what Perks I have for it tho.

[muted knot]

Dum dum

But other than that you just want flak/maniac really

[sullen scarab]

I've got Rampage IV, not sure if I should slap it on or just leave it alone in case they change something in the future lol

[crude ermine]

Ok fs really didn't want me using my powersword

[muted knot]

After that your gun is done

[muted knot]

I mean it doesn't hurt but it's not necessary

[sullen scarab]

yeah I think I'll just leave it alone for now lol

its just my ocd

[north spoke]

Me trying to make a Normal Guardsman

[tiny summit]

Remember onslaught/surgical. On mk2 I argue its charge speed on its own can get away with no onslaught but it's not like you have a whole lot of other options in blessings. I like falter. It's funny stunlocking a mauler with mk2 headshots

[crude ermine]

I'll keep that in mind

[muted knot]

Why is surgical so important for hellbores ?

[crude ermine]

Crit

[muted knot]

It's the one thing people keep recommending

But like

[tiny summit]

Crit chance and if you crit thats free ammo

[wary galleon]

you are aiming alot with it, and usuall people build for powerful shots

also what he said

[north spoke]

As a wise man said: Big crits, Big dicks

[tiny summit]

Helbore vets with survivalist just remove themselves from needing ammo drops in a mission

[wary galleon]

hmm wonder if surgial and headhunter is the best combo

[tall torrent]

Free crits by playing the gun the way it’s meant to be played

[wary galleon]

fr its infinite ammo xd

[muted knot]

If I were to change surgical to anything else, what would be the next best thing in line ? Falter ?

[tall torrent]

Also crits give helbore a couple 1 shot breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Assuming u already have onslaught, I’d pick no respite

[tiny summit]

Sadly not much. I will only argue that mk2 can get away from using onslaught

[tall torrent]

Because it works with bayonet and the bayonet does insane stagger

[muted knot]

Okay maybe I'm using it wrong, do you wait till surgical is fully stacked ? Cause that feels like ass

[sacred spindle]

is knife veteran a thing?

[junior needle]

No.

[tall torrent]

No, u just shoot when u want to

It’ll still give u crits

[junior needle]

It can be if you take the bleed on hit talent, but you have better options

[muted knot]

Pleas don't join them

[tall torrent]

It’s very rare u want to hold for surgical to build max stacks

[sacred spindle]

😂

[tiny summit]

Do you like just stay in the shadows when people asking about columnus comparisons?

[crude ermine]

Wow brunt gave me a shit ton of good 2's and like one good 1 out of 700k

[tall torrent]

Yes it’s playable
Yes it’s supposedly very strong
Don’t play it if u don’t know what ur doing

[odd sparrow]

worth buyin?

[muted knot]

They get a ling whenever someone says columus

[tiny summit]

Just 1 stack of lvl 4 surgical gives 10%.

[tall torrent]

No

[terse idol]

Imo no, 3 dead perks, 1 dead blessing

[tall torrent]

Completely bricked

[tiny summit]

Yea...I have that experience.

[muted knot]

Maybe I just wait for the charge too much

[tall torrent]

Which helbore are u using

[muted knot]

2

[tall torrent]

HB2 u just shoot when it’s at full charge

[muted knot]

Basically godrolld allegedly

Wait no

[tall torrent]

Surgical is more relevant against distant targets where u will actually take the time to aim

[muted knot]

In talking about the surgical "charge"

I always charge my shots fully

[tall torrent]

Yea, don’t wait for it to stack to max

[muted knot]

Gotcha maybe I was focusing on that too much

[tall torrent]

Even if you’re shooting as soon as shots full charge you’ll still get crits here and there

[tiny summit]

Yea just shoot man. It'll crit or not crit. You go the ammo and the crit will be free

[tall torrent]

On average it’s like 2 will crit out of 5 charged shots

Smth like that

[tiny summit]

Rarely do I ever drop below 500 charge. 600 charge most of the time. Sometimes you'll clear a room hit reload and it went you never used ammo

[tall torrent]

You can hold to stack surgical against more distant targets but that’s just a very natural thing so don’t think abt it too much

[junior needle]

Yes. (No.)

[tall torrent]

Also, 15% elite gives HB2 easier breakpoints, it’s a pretty useful node

[muted knot]

Still can't believe how fucking ass the beta helmets are

[tiny summit]

Don't believe his lies. You don't need it!

[tall torrent]

Shock trooper is not that useful in my experience

[terse idol]

The B

🅱️

[tall torrent]

You already go ammo positive on HB2 most of the time

[tiny summit]

Free shots is free

[tall torrent]

4 ammo to kill a gunner
Returns 7 ammo on kill

[tiny summit]

Also it's so I don't have to reload

[tall torrent]

[terse idol]

Virgin 🅱️eta helm vs the Chad Vanguard Set

[tiny summit]

It doesn't return ammo to my mag

[tall torrent]

And HB2 has like 25~27 fully charged shots between reloads

It’s plenty

[tiny summit]

MOAR

I'm shooting everything though

[tall torrent]

If ur gonna play a dedicated marksman build with HB2, take both 15% elite and shock troop

Infinite ammo glitch

[tiny summit]

Don't got the points. I'm not giving up my ability to give 3-5 toughness off that poxwalker headshot

[ocean viper]

im becoming convinced every psyker i see doesn't know how to play the game

[tall torrent]

I’d drop charismatic, it’s not as useful as 15% elite

[tiny summit]

No

[ocean viper]

why is it all they do is shoot the silly flamethrower staff

[crude ermine]

Shit my game crashed

Spent too much at brunt

[tiny summit]

That means I have to be closer to my team to pelt them with my pennies of toughness

[tall torrent]

I’d also drop the share highlight node for exe stance

[tiny summit]

No

[sacred spindle]

can we talk about how the flamethrower burns my eyes more than it burns the heretics

the psyker flamethrower

[tiny summit]

My randoms have been appreciating it. I've been asking

[tall torrent]

The only case where born leader is actually good is if you run gloryhunter plasma with confirmed kill

[junior needle]

I mostly comment on recons, but since I took dps videos for comparisons I might as well post it for IAG's when the need arises.

[tall torrent]

Then you actually generate enough toughness for it to matter

[tiny summit]

Every poxwalker is toughness to the team and they can bill me for the 3 toughness

[rain hatch]

Especially when it's shot at you

It's like flashlights lol

[tall torrent]

If you have no idea what you’re doing, neither does your enemy

——Sun Tzu, probably

[ocean viper]

i don't understand how it's possible to even blow up as psyker

[wary galleon]

everyond stoopid

-- sun soo

[shut flax]

Mismanagement and poor building tbh

[sacred spindle]

getting too into the pew pew

[shut flax]

also picking trauma staff

[wary galleon]

nice try inquisition

[ocean viper]

its not like vermintide where blowing up because you deemed killing 1 guy who was about to overhead your guy worth

how do you even blow up in this game where staves have peril reduction as a stat

[wary galleon]

auto shoot mod can screw you over too if you arent setting it up carefully or being aware atleast

[shut flax]

Spam

[ocean viper]

and i'll still run over to save their asses

[tiny summit]

Used surge/bubble after so long of using shriek. Popped 2 min into the match

[ocean viper]

because i have to

[shut flax]

tbh flame psykers used to run at 70-90 perils at all times so it does happen

[wary galleon]

this guy is so badass he has to tell people to be better. thank you for your service

you saved the 40k warhammer

[ocean viper]

me when i walk in with 40k warhammers

[wary galleon]

pfp relevant xd

[ocean viper]

i haven't seen a single bad ogryn

but i see plenty of bad psykers

[wary galleon]

i just played with a bad ogryn

[raw linden]

Jesus christ, I have said it , and I will say it again, helbore bayonet is borderline broken. Just carried me through the mission type where you have low visibility. Just spam stab, lmao.

[celest ermine]

switch blessing and this should be pretty nice shouldn't it?

[wary galleon]

not the mk3 though that one is slow as balls :s

others are fire!

[tiny summit]

Shhhh

[junior needle]

Bad ogryn players are less likely to go down due to their innate tankiness and beginner friendly weapons

[ocean viper]

the perks are god awful, besides maybe reload speed

[raw linden]

Haha

[junior needle]

Bad psykers drop like flies in a couple hits

[raw linden]

I have the mk2

[wary galleon]

nice

[shut flax]

That's very nice tbh. Mobilility could be lower, but that's a keeper

[tiny summit]

I like my spear against the rager pack

[ocean viper]

and bless them because they actually stay in coherency

[junior needle]

4/4 scuffed

[raw linden]

Especially the stagger. So fucking good.

[wary galleon]

its so good against ragers too since it staggers them

[tiny summit]

In the grim dark future of the 41st millennium...spears are broken

[junior needle]

That revolver has literally nothing you want on a revolver

[shut flax]

He mentioned that blessings weren't the question

[junior needle]

Great roll, but scuffed by the gacha system

[wary galleon]

perks are not the worst though

[junior needle]

Weak spot damage perk is big shit

[rough palm]

Wow this game is crazy easy when you get a good team Lmfao

[shut flax]

For a revolver? You need reload and probs surgical

[tall torrent]

Captain wolfer’s Moebian berserker shock troop formation vs 1 high-on-stim guardsman with a bayonet

[tiny summit]

I'd say the perks are the worst part of it

[wary galleon]

yep

[ocean viper]

unluckily for you, 99% of players are garbage

[junior needle]

For revolver it depends on your setup but you want damage perks for breakpoints

[rough palm]

Playing damnation with 2 bubble Psyker s and an Ogryn and I’m a vet

Ez cheeks

[junior needle]

VOC is more particular on the stats than exe

[shut flax]

Is it possible to break the 1 shot breakpoint on damnation with a revolver without crit?

[tiny summit]

At least gloryhunter is free toughness. And if using weapon specialist you're already swapping back and forth

[wary galleon]

why? you wanna hit the weakspot anyway and the reload is not unwanted.

[terse idol]

The legendary Plasma boom build

😌

[tall torrent]

Because weakpoint dmg calculation in this game is bad

[tiny summit]

Weakspot dmg is bath math. It's actually not a lot

[wary galleon]

hmm how is the calculation bad?

[tall torrent]

Base dmg 50
Weakpoint 100 (2x)
+30% weakpoint: 100+(100-50)x30% = 115 (+15%)

[rough palm]

That was an awesome experience lmfao

[raw linden]

I had thrown down a medipack my last match. A teammate had like 10 hp or smth, instead of going to my medpack which I pinged, even wrote in chat about, he used his med stim, and went and took one charge of medi-station. I wanted to die.

[ocean viper]

welcome to any popular online game bro

first time?

[tall torrent]

Weakpoint dmg bonuses only applies to the bonus dmg from hitting weakpoints

[ocean viper]

i played dota for 12k hours

[sacred spindle]

this is why I only played vt2 with bots

[junior needle]

Same with crits.

[ocean viper]

the reality is that 99% of players don't know how to play

[sacred spindle]

and people I knew

[junior needle]

Which is why crit/weakspot damage blows unless you have both large quantities of it and and a good base crit/weakspot damage

[raw linden]

In this game its just very visable you know. Given how sticking together and whatnot is very important.

[ocean viper]

through a combination of incompetency, selfishness, general lack of skill or griefing

[ocean viper]

its very visible if you keep an eye on people

[wary galleon]

how are you sure thats the way it calculates?

[ocean viper]

for example, my psyker who just got shanked in a back alley while looking for plasteel

[raw linden]

At least in Deep rock galactic , I could solo carry even haz 5 without crazy modifiers.

[tiny summit]

I'm free from dota since like 2020

[terse idol]

Wel I mean if you laser focus on someone you'll see

[tall torrent]

U can go test the +30% weakpoint talent on veteran rn and see if it’s actually +30% damage to weakpoint hits

[terse idol]

Its just best to focus on yourself

[ocean viper]

lmao, lol even

[raw linden]

[wary galleon]

nah im too lasy to test that out. ill just belive you xd

[wild lantern]

and most weapon have less than 2x crit/weakstop multiplier which make it even less good

[tiny summit]

Break your chains!

[tall torrent]

Yep

[ocean viper]

too high mmr to care lmao

[tall torrent]

Usually it ends up like 5~8% more dmg

[wild lantern]

because we know the game

[tall torrent]

It’s useful for breakpoints and that’s abt it

[ocean viper]

as per usual

most deaths come from specials from behind

if you ever died to a spy in tf2 decloaking behind you thats exactly how these people die

[tiny summit]

Team was handled a dog wave so I was watching the back. 3 trappers in less than 30s spawned in a door behind us

[tranquil bronze]

PRAISE THE EMPEROR!

[ocean viper]

if it wasn't that it was 2 bombers that decided to just nice sandwich you inbetween 2 fire patches

[ocean viper]

well, yeah

[tall torrent]

Congrats

[ocean viper]

was worse in vermintide

[sacred spindle]

nice

[raw linden]

Also I am pretty sure my team doesnt know you can dodge. They were grabbed by every fucking mutant. EVERY ONE. Of course my bayonet can like 2 stab em though.

[ocean viper]

mutants take more damage from melee

i saw an ogryn 1 tap it with a shovel

[raw linden]

[tall torrent]

Mutants, bombers, flamers and hounds take more melee dmg I think

[raw linden]

If its that one shovel, I think with right talents it can 1 shot everything.

[stable socket]

pretty sure ogryn shovel can 1 tap any non-boss

[tiny summit]

Bayonet good

[ocean viper]

based on my experience

[tiny summit]

Yes they can 1 tap crushers with it

[ocean viper]

the only special that is actually kill on sight are bombers

[stable socket]

i saw an ogryn kill 3 crushers in 1 hit

[wild lantern]

yep some take 3 time more dmg from melee aka the dogo

[ocean viper]

pox bursters are annoying but they don't instantly kill you

[tiny summit]

Just cracking open a can

[ocean viper]

bombers are satan

[stable socket]

i think they had brutal momentum/thrust on the shovel or something

[tall torrent]

Vet shovels can also 1 tap mutants

[wild lantern]

new shovel brutal momentum ?

ok nvm

[stable socket]

not 100% sure cuz i dont have the mod to see other peoples' loadouts

[sacred spindle]

just had a play around with the HB in the meat grinder

I like it

[tiny summit]

Another joins the cult...excellent

[sacred spindle]

once I get some plasteel I'll try a build for it

[wild lantern]

new varient are nice since they realy differente but at the same time there too much and karking too broken

[tall torrent]

HB1 is easier to roll for than HB2

I’d suggest starting with HB1

[tiny summit]

Gonna start uploading my Exe MF HB games when I get back from this job trip

[wild lantern]

imagine before patch 13 saying :
ogryn
one shot
3 damnation crusher
with shovel
and remember mobs have been buffed

[sacred spindle]

cheers, I'll start with that then

[rain hatch]

How about that psyker would get aimbot rocks that replaced the need for weapons

[tall torrent]

Assail is still good but nowhere as broken as before

[tiny summit]

And then people whined that they nerfed the blitz from being a primary

[rain hatch]

Yep lol

[wild lantern]

even through ranged mobs are still cancerous and syntoni range is still shit the game is far more easy now with how much power up we did get

[tiny summit]

Ogryn shovel 1 tapping a crusher is like one of the few things I look at "yea that's fine"

[stable socket]

doesnt psword push attack also come really close

[tall torrent]

It’s 2 hits

[tiny summit]

2 tap

[wild lantern]

like power sword was the most broken melee weapon at release and now its even more stronger

[stable socket]

ah cool

[wild lantern]

wtf thicc shark

[dusty sluice]

lets go

[muted knot]

No just no

[wild lantern]

1 if crit

[honest spoke]

Looking for a good resource on vet weapon breakpoints, I don't see any in the pins, would this be found in a different channel? Also the pins seem crowded with info from last year.

[tiny summit]

I'd argue I'm not too fine on it 1 comboing a crusher

[tall torrent]

Don’t think vet chat has that
Which weapon exactly are u looking for

[dusty sluice]

should i put surgical to iv and put flak on it?

[honest spoke]

Mostly revolvers and any weapons that deal with maulers and disablers well.

[wild lantern]

imagine a [("horde")] weapon who can 2(1 on crit) tap crusher on damnation when anti armored melee weapon take much more time to do the same with less horde clear and mobility

[tall torrent]

Can u be a little more specific on which exact weapon it is besides revolver

[honest spoke]

Ah yeah sorry the stub revolver

[tall torrent]

Assuming headshots

Mk2 revolver usually crits and it one shots both gunners, both flamers, bomber, both shotgunners, trapper and sniper

If u have elite, I think u can one shot scab rager, and if u have maniac, u can one shot dreg rager

You can achieve crusher & mauler crit 2 tap in the head with 10% elite, assuming u path down to 30% weakpoint then 15% elite on sharpshooter branch

The new mk14 revolver is a lot less effective in terms of breakpoints I believe

[dusty sluice]

or is surgical 3 fine?

[tall torrent]

Surgical4 is fine
I’d take elite over flak since it should get the same scab rager 1 tap crit headshot, and benefits more than scab enemies

[dusty sluice]

what abt cara?

[honest spoke]

Okay sweet, thanks for the breakdown, and yeah the new revolver doesn't feel great when you need to be accurate.

[rough palm]

What to replace guys

[tall torrent]

If u already meet crusher 2 tap crit headshots with 10% elite I don’t see a reason to take carapace over it

Unless ur going for the meme crusher 1 tap which is funny but not the most practical

[agile forge]

So, I have a Mark VI Power Sword with Power Cycler III on it, and I do not have access to PC-IV right now. How much sadder is PC-III compared with IV?

[tall torrent]

Not the worst thing

[shut flax]

How's this for a IIa revolver build?
Wanted to go for a support-ish damnation build. The only breakpoint I can't break yet is oneshotting the bulwark, but that's moot since Kraken grenades exist.

[agile forge]

I'm dying to play my veteran again but Melk is making me very very sad.

[tall torrent]

Most of ur combos focus on 2 energized hits

The 3rd energized hit from PC4 is just nice

[agile forge]

oh, goody

[cold field]

revolver is the C tier shit tier gun

so unless its for fun

[agile forge]

so I've been holding off for weeks

[cold field]

dont use it

[agile forge]

for no reason at all

lovely

thanks soldier o/

[shut flax]

Tell that to a 100% winrate with randos.

[cold field]

oh you said damnation

yeah thats easy nevermind

revolver is fine for that

[agile forge]

Which revolver is the IIa again?

is that zarona or agrippina?

[shut flax]

the ADS one, not the hipfire. Zarona.

[cold field]

revolver is still a bad gun though

[agile forge]

I can't imagine using one on veteran

it kicks ass on zealot

[cold field]

yeah Vet lol you have such better options its amazing

[shut flax]

Just needs some reload attention. Hit headshots and you'll never run out of ammo.

[agile forge]

but zealot wants a different relationship with their gun than veteran

[wild lantern]

its a good weapon
but only on vet sadly

[shut flax]

Plus it feels amazing to use. Nice and snappy.

[cold field]

killing specials and elites and 1% ammo perk you never run out anyway

[rough palm]

Wdym by this

[cold field]

so whats the point

[agile forge]

although idk, maybe it'd be nice on a melee focused vet

[shut flax]

It has a horrible reload time, so building perks around reloading is kind of a requirement to run it

[cold field]

power sword alt attack cleaves through carapace faster than a magnum would

[tall torrent]

I’d take COD-> CK path at the top over VG+tactical reload
I’d also drop the revive node for VoC
Iron will is very strong
Kraks aren’t the most relevant when revolver already handles crushers okay-ish
Suppression immunity is not bad but a lot of times u can just play around it
I’d also take at least one of the -stamina regen delay nodes

[cold field]

so you use magnum for headshotting specials

when a columnus does the same but better and faster

[dusty sluice]

(i don't have the +15 elite damage as i don't have the points to grab it)

[wild lantern]

like thicc shark did nerf this carapac dmg for literaly no reason only the vet could 1 tap crusher since patch 13 now we can do it more easely this nerf make it just harder for other class than vet

[cold field]

only argument you can make is penetration being better to push through hords and kill specials

[tall torrent]

What’s ur build

[dusty sluice]

gimme a sec

[shut flax]

Stamina regen is covered by target down, revive node is purely experimental so I might drop it.
Note that this is built with Surgical in mind.

[tall torrent]

Stamina regen is not covered by target down, it’s a nice bonus but it’s not enough to replace stamina regen delay

[cold field]

every curio yu have should legit have stam regen

+4 ability cd

and either toughness regen or 25% gunner

[serene sage]

Exec Stance Shotgun is... okay

I figured out the trick to play exec stance and not die

[shut flax]

Is there a situation in which it won't be? The revolver build broke all breakpoints besides carapice, so focusing specials refunds all of the stamina used to kill it

[serene sage]

is to just take all 3 toughness regen talents at the beginning lmao

[shut flax]

I say this without having run out of stamina in the last 4 games

[tall torrent]

When you need to handle melee aggro, stamina regen delay reduction comes in clutch

[shut flax]

Oh tru. Power sword.

[serene sage]

I really tried to make the deadshot/target down idea work

but the stam drain is too much regardless

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t work as good as in practice as in theory

[cold field]

the issue with focusing specials above damnation (because lets face it damnation is easy as fuck, its like the same difficulting as champion was in vermintide 2) if you go into actual difficult content the magnums performance becomes abyssmal due to ammo limitation and no, no ammo reload% on ammo in magazine or elite kill will MAKE this gun better.

[serene sage]

yeah cool idea, but doesn't quite work out in practice

[cold field]

they need to buff the reload speed and then maybe it can compete with things like the columnus

[serene sage]

the numbers simply don't add up

[shut flax]

Good thing I only asked about damnation

[cold field]

yeah

its good for damnation bro

i wont lie abou that

and fun

[shut flax]

Just wanted a tip about how to make the build more rounded lol

[cold field]

anything above you will see the issues

[shut flax]

or if I'm missing anything

[tall torrent]

The downtime on revolver is very apparent in Karnak HM so ur point is pretty valid

[cold field]

LMFAO if you take magnum into karnak youre trolling

straight trolling

[ocean viper]

the revolver is perfectly servicable for auric damnation unless you're literally the only one shooting specials

[zealous wyvern]

why dont you just get the green armour from commissary with the boarding party helmet?

[serene sage]

servicable
lmao that shit is OP

[cold field]

yeah so youre playing RNG with "do i have reliable party members or not"

dont do that

[ocean viper]

still worse than plasma gun T_T

[cold field]

just carry games yourself

[serene sage]

I would say they go toe to toe

[shut flax]

That's literally what playing a Psyker is like 100% of the time

[serene sage]

es[ecially since zealots can use revovlers too

[ocean viper]

why should i bother carrying? other people should pull their weight

if we lose i don't really care

[tall torrent]

What I ran with revolver

[serene sage]

yeah but some people do.
i care about win rate a lot

[cold field]

should pull their weight, but i dont rely on "they should" i rely on what i can do

[serene sage]

it's part of improving

[cold field]

plasma/columnus for easy carrying as vet

[serene sage]

and mastering

[shut flax]

Are shredders any good? They didn't really kill anything in damnation testing

[ocean viper]

sorry, TEAM based game

[serene sage]

fuck the team

[shut flax]

Unless they're just for space

[cold field]

Nah bruh teams are enemies

[tall torrent]

Frags? Yes veteran’s overall most useful grenades

[serene sage]

they buy you space so you do your things

[cold field]

they get in your way fighting enemies

or taking out specials

[serene sage]

you buy them space so they do their things

[ocean viper]

the panic button

[cold field]

teamates are just added difficulty

[serene sage]

grenade or gun?

[wild lantern]

you're really seeing a close range heavy hiting agile/fast/mobile weapon is trolling in a arena (which is literaly close range)
damn

[serene sage]

shredder nade is great

[shut flax]

ahh gotcha. I use Voice of Command as a panic button, so this may replace that

[crude ermine]

Some guy was getting annoyed that I was "killstealing" the specials

[ocean viper]

i use the revolver so i could shoot through ogyrns blocking my LOS

[serene sage]

shrdder gun leaves a lot to be desired

[ocean viper]

u should spam voice of command 24/7

[shut flax]

Oh shredder nades

If someone's taking damage, I always use it

[ocean viper]

you should use it before they take damage

[shut flax]

Why?

[ocean viper]

because thats how toughness works

[cold field]

clearly you havent tried magnum on karnak twins in secret hardmode

[shut flax]

It defeats the purpose of regen.

[ocean viper]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusty sluice]

should i grab this from melk?

[serene sage]

The trick to shredder nades is that if you want to stagger throw just 1
if you want to KILL, throw at least 2
demonstrated here

[tall torrent]

Drop 2 frags on mixed hordes to simplify the game

[ocean viper]

look man 50 toughness is 50 toughness

[shut flax]

Ooooh gotcha

[cold field]

i would

its decet

and they may buff las weapons

it would be a nice back pocket pick if buffs roll through

[shut flax]

Someone in a bad spot needs 50 toughness more than a frontline who has a good handle on a horde, right?

[serene sage]

#veteran-class message

yeah just throw 2

[ocean viper]

here's the trick, everyone gets 50 toughness

[serene sage]

most everything will die, especially if you have tinkered grenade

for the extra radius

[ocean viper]

if you die in a horde to trash mobs you probably shouldn't be playing the game

[shut flax]

Right, but not everyone needs that 50 toughness lol. It's like overhealing in TF2.

[cold field]

exactly you dont usually want to kill but its more of an "OH SHIT TOO MUCH STUFF" button

[ocean viper]

most cases of death come from bombers

[cold field]

you stagger big shit with it usually

[ocean viper]

overhealing is called ENABLING

[shut flax]

People get caught out or make mistakes, and this is a "I saw your fuckup" button

[glossy swallow]

Hello. What are the best Blessings, Perks and Talents for this bad boy?

For Talents i'm guessing the;

• "Opening Salvo" (The first 10% Ammo after a Reload had +10% Ranged Critical Hit Chance.)
• "Shock Trooper" (Critical Hits with Las-weapons consume no Ammo.)

I'm not the best with Blessings, but i'm guessing at least;

• "Headhunter" (+2-5% Critical Chance on Weak Spot Hit until your next Critical Hit. Stacks 5 times.)

[ocean viper]

you know whats better than saving a fuck up

preventing a fuck up

[zealous wyvern]

that bad boy is just

bad

[shut flax]

Overhealing is enabling getting hit.

[zealous wyvern]

i think

[shut flax]

Don't get hit.

[cold field]

on karnak twins secret hardmode I was throwing them down to stagger the entire mob of elites then power swording/plasma gunning them down

[ocean viper]

getting hit is an inevitability

[shut flax]

If you do, overhealing gets you out of getting hit.

[ocean viper]

ain't nobody godmoding 24/7

[tall torrent]

Headhunter + Dum Dum
For perks, flak + maniac I’d assume
But the gun isn’t very good rn

[cold field]

true bro true

[shut flax]

I'd rather save people after getting hit and getting them out of a bad space.

[ocean viper]

you should just spam voice of command 24/7 because u shoot 1 special and u get it back immediately lmao

[glossy swallow]

Why so?!? Is another better of the Recon?

[shut flax]

Don't get me wrong, I'm using it constantly

Just not off cooldown

[dusty sluice]

laspistol is fine currently tbh, i run this or revi mostl on zealot

[cold field]

like that perk that "leave no one behind" wasted talent point... you are preparing for a losing game.

lol

[zealous wyvern]

no they are all kind of bad

recons just are not very good i think

[tall torrent]

Practically every other gun available to veteran is better than recon lasguns rn

[shut flax]

With randoms, you kinda gotta

[ocean viper]

prevention alway sbetter than cure

[cold field]

i'd say its balanced, but unfortunately there are things like columnus and plasma gun that outclass this by far

[ocean viper]

if you plan for failure

[cold field]

no dude

[ocean viper]

what the fuck

[tall torrent]

Only debatable one is like, shredder autopistol which is like equally sad

[cold field]

you need to carry the game

YOU

[ocean viper]

you should plan for success

[dusty sluice]

ik

[ocean viper]

if you plan for failure you will see failure

[cold field]

dont pick up dying useless idiots

[ocean viper]

you're gimping your overall performance with your insurance policy

[shut flax]

You have a terrible team mentality man.

[cold field]

lol fuk team mentality

wtf

[ocean viper]

hey man if they go down its their fault

[shut flax]

Enable those around you and keep them up. Don't leave them behind.

[serene sage]

not all teammates are useless
though i would agree that self reliance is very important

[cold field]

is my team crying when i win and pick them up later?

[glossy swallow]

I gotchu. Thanks for the help tho!

[shut flax]

Be good enough to hold your own, and help those around you with the excess.

[cold field]

and if they are they have dunning kruger

[ocean viper]

before you can help others stand up you need to be able to stand up yourself first

[cedar pecan]

Do I cop this?

[serene sage]

yeah, it's a luxury talent is how I would describe it

[cold field]

i see so many wipes because of the "leave no man behind" mentality

[ocean viper]

bless it once and see if its salvagable

[cold field]

i would bro

[ocean viper]

I'd only save if i have like 4 grenades lmao

[cold field]

i would buy great stat weapoons regardless because fat shark LOVES buffing and nerfing shit

[ocean viper]

after all, you only need one guy to make it to extraction

[shut flax]

Usually it's because people spend time reviving people. A button that does that at a range prevents this a lot of the time.

[ocean viper]

you do realize

that it adds 50% cd

[crude ermine]

I'd rather have more toughnness and a better way of requiring it than using it like 4 times a run and reviving jerrySeinfeld125 and watch him go down later

[cedar pecan]

good point

[shut flax]

Kill 3 specials. So what?

[ocean viper]

you are causing more downs by not giving them more toughness more frequently

[tall torrent]

That node is also not very good

[cold field]

im guessing you mean vet talent "only in death does duty end"

[shut flax]

You have a gun that oneshots everything.

[ocean viper]

your logic is flawed

[shut flax]

My logic is based around human error

How is it flawed?

[ocean viper]

if you spam it

you prevent it

[cold field]

inshuni if you specced this way you have a terrible build

[ocean viper]

what you're describing is curing the problem

[cold field]

period

[zealous wyvern]

you are not causing the downs but yes

[shut flax]

If you time it properly, you can prevent something worse.

[ocean viper]

instead of preventing the problem

[cold field]

you should be taking duty and honor

it would be save your team

wayyyyy more

[zealous wyvern]

if you have rez, you will be less useful for your team UNTIL someone goes down

[cold field]

it would PREVENT downs

[tall torrent]

Trying to salvage a bad situation is not as good as preventing that bad situation from happening in the first place

[ocean viper]

yes this man gets it

[shut flax]

Are we assuming that I'm not taking duty and honor?

[zealous wyvern]

if you have no rez, you are useful for your team, making it less likely that anyone goes down

[cold field]

hes literally building for wipes

[shut flax]

My build has both lol

[cold field]

wasted stats

sheesh

[ocean viper]

wasted talent point

[serene sage]

let people play what they want

[ocean viper]

I'd argue its even griefing

[tall torrent]

No, you should take duty & Honor
It’s the revive node that’s not good rn

[serene sage]

they are not RECOMMENDING it to you

[zealous wyvern]

the cooldown increase is generally not worth it

[shut flax]

I already break most breakpoints. Why optimize it further when you can help others as well?

[serene sage]

they are just sayign what they use THEMSELF

[cold field]

exactly

[serene sage]

what a pointless discussion

[cold field]

and if you run 4% cdr and run with a psycher

[shut flax]

The cooldown increase is moot when CDR exists.

[cold field]

you have a 24sc cooldown

[tall torrent]

It’s still a very real increase

[cold field]

but with the 15 seconds added on

its still way too high

[shut flax]

That's 2 specialists. Two headshots.

[ocean viper]

15 seconds is 50% of the base cooldown

[shut flax]

3 if you wanna get technical.

[cold field]

honestly he only plays damnation so thost talent points are not that bad there tbh

so

i dont know why we are arguing lol

[shut flax]

I play auric on psyker lol

[serene sage]

Rez ults isn't optimal

[shut flax]

branching out to see what else the game has to offer

[serene sage]

but if you like it then its cool'

[terse idol]

4% ability combat reduction?

[dusty sluice]

would suppresion imunity help laspistol?

[cold field]

on curios

[ocean viper]

just ask your psyker to put down a shield

[shut flax]

It saves randos a bit. I don't need the boost, but they do.

[cold field]

you should be running that on every character

12% total

[dusty sluice]

what psyker lol

[ocean viper]

if they don't put one down then let other people deal with the gunners

[ocean viper]

oh, too bad

[cold field]

unless they are gun psycher which is very valid

[terse idol]

Its terrible

Like okay hold on

[cold field]

its not

[terse idol]

What is your cooldown you're reducing

How many seconds

[cold field]

its probably the strongest thing you can take

[terse idol]

Because even on 30seconds thats

[tall torrent]

Debatable

[ocean viper]

I'd argue -dmg against bombers is like the best perk lmao

[cold field]

30 seconds to 24.... and then if you play with psycher another 10%.... and if you take CDR talents from killing specialists

[raw linden]

Am i the only one who kind of hates the shield? Like the blue color kind of makes it hard to see through sometimes, so I often step out to kill gunners and stuff.

[terse idol]

3 seconds

[cold field]

it can be even more

[terse idol]

That's terrible...

🥹

[shut flax]

I think you're correct there

[ocean viper]

that defeats the purpose of the shield tbh

[white minnow]

i like combat ability regen on VoC vet but definitely not on shield/gaze psyker

[raw linden]

I know. the blue color is just fucked imo

[cold field]

7.2 if you have a psycher and then elite kills

[ocean viper]

spam ping for targets to shoot

[shut flax]

If you wanna minmax cooldowns and spam it off cooldown, I can see CDR being the go-to

[terse idol]

Like instead of that you could just do 20% gunner res

[tall torrent]

12% cuts 30s to 26.4s, it’s alright
But for the 3 curio perk slots you could be getting better resistance related stuff
It’s just a playstyle difference thing ig

[terse idol]

Okay so like consider

Yeah what cat with mug said

So you spent 3 slots of your curios

To get 3.7 seconds off your ult

[raw linden]

I guess. Cant ping regular ranged gun wielding enemies though

[terse idol]

And then you're banking on a psyker with 10% cdr

[ocean viper]

someone else's problem

[terse idol]

Which I don't even know if it's multiplicative

[cold field]

and elite kills

:>

[terse idol]

We already got that

[cold field]

6s refund baby

[white minnow]

gunner res and toughness side perks are the only thing i care about, so the other 3 slots are left to god

[shut flax]

I'm sure it is. Most damage buffs were. It probably didn't change.

[raw linden]

[terse idol]

That 3 seconds ain't gonna make the difference unless you literally are smashing ult off cooldown

[tall torrent]

For 3 curio perks slots, gunner and sniper resist are pretty good individually, and u could get extra health or toughness

[terse idol]

And ideally you don't

[tall torrent]

It’s just a playstyle difference

[cold field]

it takes three kills to refund my ult

over 4

think about that

[shut flax]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

[ocean viper]

I totally do

[dusty sluice]

what should i change?

[cold field]

for a sdeco @terse idol

3 elite kills

over 4

[shut flax]

Support mentality vs. solocarry mentality.

[cold field]

i get my ult

[terse idol]

That's the same as just having 30 seconds you're maybe 1 kill off

Not 4

[shut flax]

.5 kills off.

[white minnow]

at least in the case of VoC vet, it really is a ult that you can spam, assuming that you're running overtoughness

[ocean viper]

supports are people with martyr complexes

[terse idol]

Well

You want to ideally use it either off cooldown sure I like

Ohhh

Naw

3 seconds off 30 seconds

[shut flax]

Solo carries have a delusion of grandeur. Point?

[cold field]

yeah you basically should be doing that honestly

[terse idol]

With our talent to reduce cooldown by 6s per elite kill

[cold field]

keeping party stacked with toughness PREVENTS downs

[terse idol]

Is gonna reduce it by 1 or 2 kills

[cold field]

tbh

[zealous wyvern]

delusion?

[terse idol]

That aint work

[tall torrent]

Per special

[terse idol]

3 curio slots

[ocean viper]

better to be competent and arrogant than worthless and self pitying

[zealous wyvern]

to carry out the Emperors will against all adds is no mere delusion

it is greatness

[terse idol]

Per special

[raw linden]

I mostly play support classes in games. And its mostly because its a sure way to win.

[tall torrent]

Psyker’s talent helps 5% with elite kills

[terse idol]

Which is EVEN MORE

[tall torrent]

Which is 1.5s

[shut flax]

You're calling supports "worthless", which is telling of your personality lol.

Either way, I'll leave it at that.

[zealous wyvern]

if you manage to complete a mission by yourself that surely is reason for satisfaction

[ocean viper]

supports are enablers and they'll manage just fine if they remember that

[white minnow]

on the other hand, i don't consider the other perks on curios too impressive

[shut flax]

Then play solo all the time

[terse idol]

VOC is like kinda support?

I mwan it is

But its so versatile

[white minnow]

so combat ability regen, while paling compared to talents, is fine compared to other perks

[shut flax]

VOC is pure support and it's great

[terse idol]

And VOC and focus target is like

The best

[zealous wyvern]

voc is great

he just said dont go rez

[terse idol]

But it isn't entirely... support persay

[zealous wyvern]

go normal shield voc

[ocean viper]

pure support is worthless in my eyes

[terse idol]

Its just the win button

[zealous wyvern]

the rez makes the voc worse

[terse idol]

Pure support is worthless

[shut flax]

It does zero damage and trades it off with area control and regen

[zealous wyvern]

in all situations but rezzing

[terse idol]

Like Born Leader

Is garbo

[shut flax]

By definition it's "Pure support"

[terse idol]

Like, okay

[ocean viper]

no

[terse idol]

I'm gonna say the thing

You take VOC, and you take 2 extra talents

[tall torrent]

Born leader is actually not horrible if you’re playing gloryhunter plasma with confirmed kill

[zealous wyvern]

its not pure support because it empowers you too

[lapis blade]

[zealous wyvern]

not just others

[ocean viper]

u gotta have some self respect lmao

[terse idol]

Left Subnode

[zealous wyvern]

if you voc you stagger your enemies, allowing you to aggressively attack them for a few seconds

[terse idol]

Reduce CDR

[zealous wyvern]

and you also give yourself toughness letting you ignore a hit or two

[terse idol]

that's what I tried before

[zealous wyvern]

that is not support

[terse idol]

It's just uh

[shut flax]

You only need left if you're running deadshot lol

[zealous wyvern]

support means only suppoorting others

[terse idol]

You gotta probably also take the aura englargement

[shut flax]

support means supporting yourself as well lol

[zealous wyvern]

giving yourself opportunities to play aggressively is not support

no

[ocean viper]

target down is for me to dodge more

lmao

[terse idol]

VOC is like "Support" that you don't really need to commit much else into it

[zealous wyvern]

otherwise dash-zealot is a support

[shut flax]

You're not telling yourself to fuck off. Help you and then help others.

[terse idol]

And you just give free Ult

[tall torrent]

Not really needed imo
If teammates want toughness, stay by me
If they don’t, all their choice

[terse idol]

I wish I could explain this better...

[zealous wyvern]

giving yourself shield and staggering enemies is not just a support

supports help others bloom

you are helping yourself as well

[ocean viper]

being a support in a game where 4 people can run individual builds suck anyways

[terse idol]

What I'm gonna say is, even if you build "Support" (VOC)
Every other talent next you'll take is gonna be damage

[ocean viper]

if they can't function without a support their build sucks

[zealous wyvern]

voc is not pure support

[terse idol]

You're gonna gain the most value out of VOC

Because you're killing things

you get to press the button

VOC is definetly not pure support

[zealous wyvern]

it also supports though

[shut flax]

This conversation is leaning heavily toward the "support should do nothing" category.

[zealous wyvern]

but not only

[terse idol]

what noo

[zealous wyvern]

what

how

[ocean viper]

he proves my point about supports having martyr complexes

right there

[shut flax]

You help yourself. Then help others.

[terse idol]

I'm saying like VOC is as much "support" as like building just pure damage, it's a nice steroid

Ah

I have thoughts but it's hard for me to express them

[zealous wyvern]

if you have an ability that knocks everyone down and giving everyone on your side shield including yourself

[tall torrent]

Building pure support is playable but not the best thing

Building for ur own breakpoints then taking some support talents is very good

[zealous wyvern]

and then still have killing potential

a lot

[terse idol]

A VOC vet has the opportunity to do the most damage in the game

Like

[zealous wyvern]

that is not pure support

yes

[terse idol]

It's not "support"

[white minnow]

not much of a martyr if you're not sacrificing much

[terse idol]

In the way you typically would call someone who's running a "Support"

Build

[shut flax]

Wouldn't Executioner's Stance have more damage potential though?

[crisp oak]

But its not called stealth

[ocean viper]

HAHAHAHA no

[terse idol]

Theoretically

[tall torrent]

More tax nodes

[terse idol]

Pgun is just

Insane

Because you get to do ALOT of damage

[shut flax]

Potential*

[terse idol]

And reset VOC

[wintry raptor]

hey fellas. Im finally got power cycler 2 and now afraid to make the wrong choice 😄 what is best course of action with those swords? None of them feels like a godroll to me and i need to choose what is best

[tall torrent]

Exe stance is a lot of extra dmg potential

[terse idol]

A metric shit ton

[tall torrent]

But u have extra tax nodes

Because you normally already path to demo stockpile and VoC is just 1 point away

[terse idol]

Also, with pgun you grab like the 30% weakpoint damage, and maybe the Extra monst, and Elite DAmage nodes

[shut flax]

Yeah, that's true.

[terse idol]

So you get the best of both worlds

Alot of damage

And Resets on VOC

Alot of defense

[shut flax]

So what I'm hearing is that if there were less nodes associated with Executioners Stance, it would become more normal to run?

[tall torrent]

Whereas exe stance takes 2 sub nodes to function properly and needs u to path through 1 of 2 not-so-great talents

[terse idol]

Hmm

I mean the meta just revolves around the whole pgun and resets on VOC

I do think Exe is still useable

(Frankly I think everything is useable)

[shut flax]

Right, but reduce the cost. If you had those extra two nodes, would they go to anything particularly useful?

Everything is useful if you have the mechanics to make it so.

[terse idol]

Just VOC because of the minor Talent tax associated just gives you so much more flexability

[naive aurora]

Ey buds what do you guys think. Should I change the perks or anything?

[tall torrent]

It’s useful
But exe stance has another issue of not having an easy-to-access panic button

If u play exe stance the only way u have of making space is with frags

[shut flax]

True. Though nades exist, so there is an alternative.

[ocean viper]

if randoms die its their fault anyway

[tall torrent]

And you’ll probably need both nade regen talents

[terse idol]

It's just that ... VOC still has the upper hand because grenade talents are right in the center

[tall torrent]

So it’s just a bit more limiting in that sense

[shut flax]

If you're going VOC and Focus Target, you're already hitting those nodes

Oh wait nvm

Yeah that's an extra 2 modes spent getting those grenades anyhow.

[terse idol]

If you don't run longshot, 30% weakpoint damage, and 10% elite damage, in your talent tree you should consider running +Unarmoured instead of... Flak

If you doo, you should consider running 10% elite

[shut flax]

THAT'S WHAT I WAS MISSING

Yeah swapping out the rez for longshot

[terse idol]

For your dredge gunner bp?

[tall torrent]

This is what I usually play

HB1 / HB2 / Plasma
Rashad axe

[naive aurora]

I always do forget about the bonus to elite damage. That would probably be the better choice.
Although I was thinking about doing bonus to crit %, but don't really know how it would work out.

[terse idol]

Naw no bonus to crit %

You already have Gets hot

What you need to test is your dredge gunner bp

[dusty sluice]

the Rashad perks are different for vet and zealot right?

[naive aurora]

bp?

[raw birch]

guys wich psword was good overall for hordeclear and elite killer?

[tall torrent]

Not entirely sure, you’d need to ask azreal

[terse idol]

You need to be able to one shot head shot dredge gunners without a charged shot

It's why I suggested +unarmoured

[shut flax]

I think 3 is better but I could be wrong

[tall torrent]

I didn’t mess around zealot’s talents enough

[tall torrent]

Mk6

[terse idol]

If you don't run Longshot, +30% weakpoint and +10 Elites in your talent tree

It's an important Breakpoint to hit

[dusty sluice]

i take flakiac for zealot, iv'e heard people mentioning unamr for vet

[raw birch]

what perks u usually add flak/maniac im assuming

[terse idol]

If you do run those 3 talents you should be able to make the break point, with just another +10elite on your pgun

Instead of flak

[naive aurora]

damn dude ur right lmfao

[terse idol]

[naive aurora]

my 1 shot head shot on the gunner puts um at like 5 health

[terse idol]

If you choose not to run long shot, like I do

I run +unarmoured

[tall torrent]

Unarmored is for scab bruiser 1 headshot kill
Dreg bruiser can reach 1 headshot kill without flak, u just need some +melee dmg talents in the tree

[terse idol]

If you do, you get get away with +10 elites

Wheeze

[tall torrent]

When u have both bruiser 1 headshot kill, Rashad becomes one of the best melee weapons for veteran

[terse idol]

Yeah, that's like the one important break point you gotta test

[tall torrent]

Maniac, I have carapace on mine because I use sunder and I still want funny crusher 2 tap

[shut flax]

Hmm. Is Covering Fire worth it?

[tall torrent]

Not rly

[dusty sluice]

ah ok, any ideas for a laspistol + Rashad build?

[dusty sluice]

damn

[terse idol]

Then... because you already locked in Volatile
Your next pgun you want Blaze it and get's hot.
Current playstyle Pgun is just Spam left click alot
@naive aurora

[shut flax]

That's what I was thinking. It felt like an alternative to toughness regen if you do take rez.

[hardy ember]

Ammo aura is superior

[tall torrent]

I don’t recommend laspistol + Rashad because both are very high point investment weapons, you’re much better off pairing laspistol with a strong horde clear melee that stands on its own

[terse idol]

Probably go for.... Either
+Unarmoured, +Carapace
Or
+Elites, +Carapace

[junior needle]

Not really. Doesn't apply to you, the range is quite short, and it requires you to spray into crowds.

[terse idol]

You can shave down a crusher BP

Maybe 3 shot...

[dusty sluice]

but the silly

[shut flax]

Oh true, good point

Yeah, VOC is just outright superior in that aspect.

[junior needle]

Rashad is a very good horde clear weapon, although it feels a bit bad without the melee attack speed talent imo

[naive aurora]

The amount of times I've run out of ammo 10 minutes into a run by spamming left click is to many times lmfao

[terse idol]

This is why we hit the Dredge gunner BP

Helps saves ammo

You don't want to 2 shot the dredge gunner because you saw, you're SO CLOSE to killing it on the first shot

Save ammo kill it in 1

[tall torrent]

With all the breakpoints met, it’s quite good even without the atk speed node

[naive aurora]

Ya but what if I miss

[terse idol]

Don't miss

[dusty sluice]

would the old shovel work?

[terse idol]

You have survivalist

You can make mistakes and miss

[tall torrent]

The silly is that laspistol requires smth like this to be its best and I hate it

[dusty sluice]

oh lmao

[naive aurora]

Survivalist never feels like enough. If I don't reload at a full clip size im bothered.

Then you get 3 other vets on your team :/

[terse idol]

It'll be enough for the grand scheme of the mission

But agaiin this is certainly why we're hitting the BP on dredge gunners

[shut flax]

It's great if you're running revolver. In fact, it's basically self-sustaining. Anything above that and it's a drop in the ocean, though.

[terse idol]

If you get collaterals you're gonna get ammo back

Also uh, this is assuming your dump stat isn't ammo

Which can hurt your ammo efficiency on the pgun

[tall torrent]

It’s fine, I’d personally pair with chainsword/DC sword/power sword tho

[naive aurora]

I have been trying revolver, guns fkin neato

[tall torrent]

U just want a very low investment horde clear option

[naive aurora]

Haven't tried the new variant yet though

[cold field]

no the math is correct... if you have 23.2 seconds until ult then shoot three psycher 1.5 on those three too, -3 i have a 20 seconds ult right? + the considering you already changed the perks...??? lol

[junior needle]

New variant is generally viewed as not as good

[cold field]

I think that plasma guns need to either run with +25% to flak or carapace so you can roll off the other for the one you dont have

[terse idol]

wrong reply

[naive aurora]

But it's high noon...

[terse idol]

You want Carapace

You can headshot Maulers

[cold field]

Yeah true you do want carapace over flak

[tall torrent]

Elite + carapace is what I run on my plasma

[terse idol]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

Still gets both gunner 1 taps

[cold field]

+elite is garbage

[terse idol]

Scab gunners dies

[tall torrent]

Both flamer 1 taps

[terse idol]

nope

[junior needle]

It's high NOOT

[cold field]

elites arent what down you its specialists so yeah its garbo

[terse idol]

It can help you meet the dredge gunner BP with longshot

[tall torrent]

It still gets the gunner breakpoint so it’s fine

And flamers are just 1 headshot anyway

[terse idol]

Or the BP with 2 stacks of focus target

[tall torrent]

Maniac not needed

[terse idol]

Is the BP not changed for rager?

Hmm

I was honestly thinking +maniac but eh

It seems that +carapace, and either +elites or +unarmoured based on talents is the based

Or err

Based on either roll of pgun, or talents

[tall torrent]

Relying on gets hot to feed u crits so u can occasionally 1 tap specifically dreg ragers in the head is uhh

[wet elk]

looter brain

400 plasteel

[tall torrent]

Surely one of the playstyles of all time

[wet elk]

on auric damnation maelstorm

[terse idol]

when you just be spamming the left click

brrt

[dusty sluice]

would kraks be worth taking or should i just use ps?

[wet elk]

frag grenades are the best

hands down

[tall torrent]

If u run power sword, I’d take frags
If u run the other two swords, kraks are fine (but frags are still generally more useful)

[terse idol]

they both god their place

[naive aurora]

So if I was getting this right on the plasma its + carapace > + flak ?

[serene sage]

look at this gigachad of a melee vet (not me, i can't get rid of me in the screencap)

[terse idol]

YEah

[serene sage]

dude is an xbox player too

they are learning boys

im so happy

[terse idol]

There's like not a BP I can think of for Flak

But you can shave down a few shots on a crusher

Like 1 shot

Which is important

[naive aurora]

I'm just glad I have the option to change both my perks lmfao

[tall torrent]

How do u tell Xbox apart from Ms store/pc game pass

[naive aurora]

Got real lucky with my blessings

[serene sage]

oh true

[dusty sluice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b07ce96-3de7-4f4e-9ac1-261f51e53230/laspistol-2 not sure about the rending sooo

[serene sage]

well idk

but let me have hope

[terse idol]

Well

Volatile isn't... that good...

But!

Yeah

[tall torrent]

I’d drop rending for longshot/redirect fire/field improv

[naive aurora]

Volatiles fking great shut it

Shoot so fast

[tall torrent]

Rending barely helps power sword and laspistol does fine enough against everything except carapace

Don’t shoot crushers with laspistol you’re gonna deal a grand total of like 16 dmg

[terse idol]

smmh asking for pgun help

I mean

This is why you're running ammo deficit

/j

It's alright

[tall torrent]

Against maulers, just click their flak body with laspistol, the crits will kill them pretty easily

[terse idol]

But this is why we got blaze it and gets hot

[wet elk]

so close to good :(

[dusty sluice]

have to unlearn that with zealot lol

[terse idol]

Because left clicking out dps's a charged shot

[naive aurora]

Hey I took your other opinions , I just personally enjoy volatile more then others ;).

[tall torrent]

Playable

Terrifying barrage -> dum dum
Unarmored -> maniac

Stripped down is good

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

Run duck & dive and you’re invulnerable to every ranged atk when sprinting

You can troll snipers (because they can’t hit u with stripped down active)

Dumb rush 16 gunners + reapers and take zero damage

[shut flax]

btw thanks for the recommendation to use shredder grenades. Swapped over and it freed up a point to put into +10 rending

[tall torrent]

Rending really depends on the weapons ur using

[serene sage]

oops all ragers

[shut flax]

Revolver

[tall torrent]

U don’t need rending then

[shut flax]

It literally removed an entire shot from Bulwarks tho

[ocean viper]

all this effort when one ogryn could just chuck a grenade lmao

[tall torrent]

You couldn’t 2 shot it in the head before?

[serene sage]

yeah the one that they can do once per mission?

sure bro

[ocean viper]

don't they get to refill on grenade pickups

unless the local zealot yoinks all of em

[shut flax]

Are you supposed to be able to? Without it, it took 4 shots

[terse idol]

ooh exec shotgun

[shut flax]

3* with crits

[tall torrent]

Do u have hand cannon on ur revolver

[serene sage]

scoreboard for this, I joined like 1/3 way in too when someone rage quit

nearly all the damage I took was from that rager wave 😔

[shut flax]

Oh, that's what I'm missing

Yeah, that seems like it'll replace it pretty well

[tall torrent]

Should have spammed frags

[naive aurora]

I should know this but tf does rending do again

[umbral scaffold]

An additive reduction of the armor reduction enemies have

[naive aurora]

is it different from brittleness?

[umbral scaffold]

50% carapace damage + 10% rending = 60% carapace damage

[tall torrent]

Increase percentage damage done to armor (flak, carapace, maniac, unyielding)

The worse an attack does against a specific armor type, the more rending will help it against that armor type

[serene sage]

i know lmao

[umbral scaffold]

In a way yes, rending is personal and brittleness is applied on the enemy

[serene sage]

I consciously looked at my nade count and be like

nah this is more fun

[terse idol]

Rending + rending talent + marksmen focus with lasgun??

[umbral scaffold]

You cannot have brittleness and the enemy cannot have rending

[naive aurora]

Oh i see

[wet elk]

hmmm

true

[naive aurora]

Thx for that explanation bb's

[tall torrent]

Also, rending is capped at 50% on carapace (100% for the other 3 armor types) iirc, and after it reaches cap, it’ll be converted into damage at +4% rending = +1% dmg rate

[umbral scaffold]

I haven't heard about the 50% cap tbh