veteran-class

[strange sparrow]

but it is what it is

[terse idol]

Huh?

Educate yourself?

[raw steppe]

i love how people will straight up make shit up with absolute confidence

[serene sage]

#veteran-class message

[raw steppe]

LOL

[serene sage]

this?

[terse idol]

It is based on agro distance

What the hell is this

[serene sage]

100% frag

grenadier krak is trolling

[strange sparrow]

Krak is for build that can't deal with Cara/Monstrosity damage

[hollow ibex]

frag also synergizes very well with a grenadier build

[strange sparrow]

Frag kinda deal with everything but to a certain extend

[crisp oak]

K

[hollow ibex]

though tbf, frag kinda synergizes with everything

[serene sage]

90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

[raw steppe]

said with absolute confidence as well lololol

[strange sparrow]

Frag just generic af too

[terse idol]

I've never heard that the Specials target the highest performing person ever

That would mean the worst players would never die

[hollow ibex]

frag is fuckin great

[slate sleet]

i assume you never played vermintide

[raw steppe]

no it's based on proximity LOL

[terse idol]

Because specials would never target them

[strange sparrow]

Specials target the guy that have lowest coherency thou

and aggro distances

[raw steppe]

vermintide is is also based on distance

[terse idol]

This isn't vermintide and yes I played a ton of vermintide

I've never heard this

[slate sleet]

except it is

they use alot of the same concepts

[terse idol]

I've played hundreds of legend runs

[strange sparrow]

Vermintide use distances thou

[fast cargo]

Afternoon all

[serene sage]

no, i always die to specialist
i am clearly the best player in the game
therefore, specialist always target best player in the game

[terse idol]

Nahcies too

[serene sage]

shrimple as

[potent iris]

@slate sleet if you'd not bait arguments by making things up that'd be swell

[strange sparrow]

Like, I learn enough AI director to abuse it on VT2

[raw steppe]

vermintide is 100% based on distance

[terse idol]

In no video I've ever seen

Do specials focus the best player

[crisp oak]

Tbh I feel like trappers sometimes target best performing player specifically.

[strange sparrow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/c79roi/vt2_intervention_systems_other_relevant_systems/

[terse idol]

If that was the case in either game the worst player would never get hit by a special

[crisp oak]

Which is why they never target me

[white minnow]

specials target me a lot but that's also because i fuck off alone frequently

[strange sparrow]

（They also copy and paste VT2 AI Director to Darktide, because I feel it's quite similar)

[fast cargo]

I swear I've had a couple teleport across the map to hit me

[serene sage]

no, you see, you are just good cause you kill them all before they get to do anything

[strange sparrow]

That's why they have threat level stuff

[crisp oak]

Fair

[potent iris]

no part of the AI director targets players based on performance, there's quite literally no code for that.

if you're running ahead/separated from the team then yes the game will spawn shit on you but that's not performance related.

[raw steppe]

also, if you're off alone, statistically you're more likely to get targeted simply due to how distance calculation math works

and spawn points

[terse idol]

Hopefully they adjust it abit I feel like it's unhinged sometimes
AFTER PLAYING CARNIVAL a bunch I understand that the 2nd hack room the director throws like 10 heavy gunners at you

[fast cargo]

Anyone have advice for getting rank 4 perks other than pray to RNGsus?

[strange sparrow]

AI director love to punished solo player

[delicate estuary]

its a legit slot machine

[strange sparrow]

Not Loner thou

Loner have 2 coherency

[terse idol]

Thank you

[strange sparrow]

[fast cargo]

fek, ty

[raw steppe]

another reason to take loner

[delicate estuary]

you can somewhat force it by crafting a t4 on blue tier and upgrade to yellow @fast cargo as it improves the chances for another t4 to roll

[fast cargo]

Any advice on farming Plasteel then? Always need more

[serene sage]

do you know if they punish people who are lagged behind? cause ive had a few games with speedrun zealots where no special spawn for me, just the static elites the speedrunners left behind

[delicate estuary]

but its expensive

[terse idol]

Okay hold on

Where is this

Does any one have stats on this

Because I got yelled at because it doesn't gurantee a t4

[delicate estuary]

@fast cargo no easy way just become a loot goblin

[tiny summit]

This was an auric maelstrom as Exe MF Helbore

[fast cargo]

dammit

[terse idol]

Or have any indication it'll give you a t4

[delicate estuary]

I never said guarantee

[terse idol]

Sorry a higher chance

[strange sparrow]

Unironically the truth, Loner code was funny man

[terse idol]

Does rolling a t3 blessing I to a yellow have a higher chance for a t3 or t4

I'm so confused

[delicate estuary]

its anecdotal evidence for my experience so far that I have gotten a lot of t4s rolled

[strange sparrow]

Someone told me they just put a ghost guy next to you as Loner

[terse idol]

Smmh

[strange sparrow]

so you always 2 guy

[terse idol]

Bad

I got yelled at

And I tested it

[low oar]

Well I guess I'll just take a deep dive into loner at some point because I'm curious how it works now

[delicate estuary]

yea sorry I dont have an excel sheet I just have 800 hours of "crafting" this shit

[serene sage]

I think it just improves the odds, mathematically, I am not sure whether T4 (specifically and not just T3) at Blue tier helps
the only source I got is from Azreal

[terse idol]

It doesnt seem to grant you a higher chance

[slate sleet]

i have literally seen specials run past me to target a specific person i guess im going crazy

and no i was not using camo expert

[terse idol]

Yeah thats what I got yelled at

[serene sage]

and dude never actually posted any sources

[stable socket]

mutants and dogs will do that sometimes

[terse idol]

By quoting azreael

[strange sparrow]

Yes because THEY HAVE LOWER COHERENCY

[terse idol]

[raw steppe]

the targeting happens when they spawn or lose their original target

[strange sparrow]

Also Mutants

[potent iris]

that's just variance in agro lol

[strange sparrow]

They target people first then trigger anyways

[raw steppe]

so if they lock on, even if the players move, they'll stay locked until they're reset

[stable socket]

but the "ranged" specials tend to be very opportunistic

[delicate estuary]

The only thing that is guaranteed @fast cargo is that you can craft a T4 blessing you dont want to get at blue tier and force farm others but that also kind of stops being useful after a while especially on weapons that have like 10 blessings

[terse idol]

Yeah they target people who they already agro

[fast cargo]

Oh, finished Overwatch btw, finally managed it through abuse of infiltration and keeping my back to a corner

[raw steppe]

via hitting/missing their original target, or original target dies

[serene sage]

I quoted him in the past, I stopped doing that without clear sources/clear common sense now

[strange sparrow]

Doesnt matter you walk in front of him, because your team already aggro him

[fast cargo]

noted, ty

[stable socket]

like trappers/grenades/flamers will go for whoever they can hit ASAP

[terse idol]

Yeah I gotta be careful too

Owiie

Azreals good!

[potent iris]

well if you lag behind enough and you're on your own then maybe but also if the speedrunner has spawned enough shit ahead it's entirely possible that they've hit the spawn cap and you won't see shit aside from what they leave behind

[terse idol]

Bur damn I gotta be careful quoting things I don't understand

[brisk oxide]

seems like it would become very obvious fast if that were the case

[raw steppe]

idk if crafting onto your weapons helps chance for rolling blessing tier

but there is a way to improve your chances to get something good

if you buy from armory

[delicate estuary]

Look it could very well be placebo, I will start crafting without t4 crafting and see for myself

[strange sparrow]

Spawn cap is also a thing but Im not sure how intervention mechanics is right now

[delicate estuary]

just need to wait another 800 hours of playtime

[serene sage]

I mean I do agree that swapping to something T4 that you don't want improves the odds

[fast cargo]

Yeah, I've got the buy until quality mod, was just hoping there's a better way

[strange sparrow]

It should prompt a fuck lot of stuff to yeet into Zealot

[delicate estuary]

no you are playing the 40k casino implementation

[serene sage]

then again, Azreal is one of those people whose bottle neck is ordo dockets, not plasteel

[fast cargo]

That's just 40k tho?

[terse idol]

In theory like, you would want to craft a blue weapon with a t4 blessing you swapped

[raw steppe]

for example, if you buy a weapon that has t1/t2 slaught on it; you can craft t1 shred on it, and this does 2 things

1. it locks shred out of the roll pool for 2nd blessing
2. it enables slaught in the roll pool for 2nd blessing

[terse idol]

So you have a higher chance of getting not a duplicate t4

[raw steppe]

which drastically improves your chances

[serene sage]

yeah that's about it

[fast cargo]

Shot an entire Baneblade into a squad of Space Marines once, got 1 kill

[terse idol]

Yeah sure

[serene sage]

you pay a lot more plasteel for that obviously

[terse idol]

I can get behind that

[potent iris]

Azrael also think he's the reason Recon lasgun got nerfed which isn't the case

[delicate estuary]

yea I usuallyt just craft useless blessings for a higher chance to roll something desired

[potent iris]

always take things with a grain of salt if you can't directly confirm it yourself

[terse idol]

That's more fair

I wouldn't say it gives you a higher chance at a t4 but yeah that makes sense

[serene sage]

marginally at the cost of a decent chunk of plasteel is my final conclusion

[strange sparrow]

I just gonna ask this
Did FS copy and paste VT2 Ai Director into DT with slight modification over threat level

[terse idol]

[old quail]

i said "i dont really find them interesting" and fatshark was like "if josho doesn't like it we don't"

[delicate estuary]

@fast cargo when you wantt o craft a weapon you want to use craft a useless blessing at T4 if it rolls shit (sometimes you can get lucky and roll a useful T4 in which case leave it as is but those times are quite rare) and then upgrade it to yellow only if you have at least a single good perk.

[fast cargo]

Makes sense

[delicate estuary]

and thats basically

all the control you have

[strange sparrow]

Because certainly they did not implement Speedrunning Intervention from what Im seeing

[delicate estuary]

other than that its a question of time commitment

because the game doesnt respect it at all

[delicate estuary]

you have never seen a trapper materialize next to you huh

[strange sparrow]

Special always spawn closest to you because how AI director work

This is because DT bad map design

[delicate estuary]

speedrunning intervention is a thing

you can read patch notes

that talk about said prevention adjustments

[serene sage]

bad map design or just bad spawn mechanics?

those are different things

[strange sparrow]

Bad Map Design

[serene sage]

I like DT maps

[strange sparrow]

VT2 also spawn closest to you

but because those spawn point have a delay entrances rather than just a FUCKIN DOOR

[delicate estuary]

yea but V2 is not ranged focused

[serene sage]

that's what I meant by spawn mechanics =.=

[delicate estuary]

much easier to spawn them next to you in reasonable context

[terse idol]

Well if anything v2 specials just didn't

[strange sparrow]

Spawn Point is within Map Design

[serene sage]

map design is more like corridors, hallways, arenas, etc.

[terse idol]

Wait at a door

They spawned from cliffs and drops

[delicate estuary]

yea cause again wasnt ranged focused

[serene sage]

I tried to make the distinction by asking specifically

bad map design or just bad spawn mechanics?
those are different things

[terse idol]

Oh no yeah

[delicate estuary]

here you can pop like 8 specials in a span of 5 seconds or less

they have to cook something up

[terse idol]

The door spawn is a tough part of how they had to implement it

[strange sparrow]

Spawn Mechanics is usually meant that you could forbid AI director from spawning from a radius despite the Spawn point is closest

[terse idol]

They need to make some of these spawns a few doors either behind the players or in front

Toooo many doors that are 5 feet away from us

[strange sparrow]

Bad Map Design are spawn point placed badly on a map that allow those issue to happen

[terse idol]

add a vent

[cold wigeon]

does anyone know if "make every shot count" tracks just ranged accuracy or is it melee as well

[slate sleet]

no

do not add a vent

[strange sparrow]

If you really want to say about it, you could say it's both way I guess

[muted knot]

We already have those

[terse idol]

Yes the vent for the dogs

[muted knot]

Just ranged

[strange sparrow]

They allow AI to spawn next to you and they make the map have spawn point every 5 meter

[muted knot]

And the ones for trashmobs

[terse idol]

Oh no yeah it's just ranged, you don't lose accuracy for missing melee swings

[cold wigeon]

oh good because that would suck lol

[serene sage]

we are arguing semantics

[tiny summit]

It's great when a sniper or bomber spawns in a closet and they are able to do their things while you don't have an actual line of sight on them

[cold wigeon]

im trying to get it becauee

uniform good

[muted knot]

In this discord ?!?!?!?! Never

[white minnow]

they do already have these like manhole spawns
they should allow bursters to spawn from these

[serene sage]

i dont have any point to make regarding that, I also do think spawns are absurd sometimes

[strange sparrow]

I mean in the end, it's just really bad design imo

AI spawn point or AI director

[terse idol]

That would solve how busters just explode when they hit a fence they can't climb

[spice wadi]

its weird that an essential darktide skill is

[terse idol]

But how the fuck is the burster climbing out

[strange sparrow]

I doubt you could solve AI spawn point so it's easier to change AI director

[cold wigeon]

also anyone have advice on which powersword i should use on vet

[spice wadi]

'which door you should stay 20 feet away from'

[serene sage]

but like the corridors, the structure/layout of the map, arenas, etc. are good imo

[muted knot]

Is that why they do that ?

[terse idol]

Yeah

[serene sage]

comparing to say L4D2, I'd say DT maps are more interesting

[old quail]

all of them at this point

[terse idol]

Any time they find something they cannot climb

They blow

[white minnow]

and "what area has fucked up sounds/pathing issues"

[slate sleet]

my fav is doors i never even knew existed spawning 6 shotgun guys the moment i use my exec stance to try and kill a ranged enemy line

[delicate estuary]

farts some of his juice to get a boost

[crisp oak]

My favorite was a squad of scab gunners walking through a wall

[muted knot]

Id hate to be the groaner below them

[serene bough]

i didnt realize the tzeench dlc was released

[delicate estuary]

at least it would do their name justice since they would groan 💀

[crisp oak]

Neither did I

[strange sparrow]

The New Map at the start (Carnival) did a great job in designing the map to feature lagging spawn point

Then they forgot about it 50% into the game

[terse idol]

I actually unironicLly love blowing into the carnival map

So cool

[cold wigeon]

are either power swords better than the other a significant amount or are they similarly good

[slate sleet]

also manhole spawns would just get people killed in a frustrating way, imagine kiting a wave and you suddenly stop moving only to realise you walked over a manhole spawn point and there are 50 poxwalkers coming out of it preventing you from moving entirely

[terse idol]

People recommend ps6

[serene sage]

I actually unironicLly love blowing
stops reading

[strange sparrow]

Manhole already exist, it's in HM Karnak Twins

[slate sleet]

i had this exact thing happen to me on the ammo train final

[terse idol]

Put a vent in a house or something

So they can pour out of a vent on the wall

[cold wigeon]

any reason why specifically (i don't doubt you just wondering)

[muted knot]

That's, literally in the game

[delicate estuary]

most people recommend ps6 for its push attack but that also has its downside cause it uses stamina but its very solid for armor hordes

[slate sleet]

its on a few select maps

and its already awful

[cold wigeon]

you had me at armor hordes

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-non-linear-gif-27023528

[muted knot]

Push attack can two hit crushers

[slate sleet]

its just as bad as stuff dropping over a ledge

[muted knot]

Same dude

[strange sparrow]

This is like one of the example of Delay Spawning

[serene bough]

off topic but does the title guilty gear ring a bell to anyone

is it an anime

[strange sparrow]

They spawn behind x and need to climb an obstacle

[terse idol]

Its a fighting game

[muted knot]

It's a fighting game

[strange sparrow]

instead a door open and 10 shotgunner came out

[cold wigeon]

fightingngame

[muted knot]

In a anime type style

[slate sleet]

cringe anime fighting game

[delicate estuary]

just dodge them

[muted knot]

It's a pretty good fighter tbh

[strange sparrow]

Im aware

[serene bough]

ok that makes sense

[slate sleet]

fighting games are a husk

[strange sparrow]

Doesnt change the spawn is shit

[serene bough]

asking bc of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MbqVEOA_io

[muted knot]

Why you ask ?

Ahhh

[muted knot]

What

[strange sparrow]

You wouldn't have any issue finishing mission as I-frame is incredibly strong

[delicate estuary]

my most favourite thing is attacking through walls with my melee, popping a burster that wasnt making a sound and getting yeeted

it enhances

[slate sleet]

fighting games peaked in SF4

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[delicate estuary]

my experience

[slate sleet]

its all been just disappointment ever since

[strange sparrow]

The problem is some spawn are quite shit

(A guy camping behind a door dealing most damage)

[serene sage]

That's a bait indeed

[serene bough]

is smash brothers a fighting game

[tiny summit]

DT could use more standout points or events during them. My favorite event is the rushing through those tunnels with the closing doors in sycorax

[strange sparrow]

DT need more karnak twins kekW

[serene sage]

Oh yeah those are fun

[tiny summit]

I hate Darktide for taking my time away from it and other fighters

[delicate estuary]

Look I dont care about spawns, I care about certain ledges not having hitboxes so you get yeeted off map with barrels. People mention knowning which doors to be aware of but that is not a big issue as you should never stand next to a door unless you know what you are doing. Knowing which barrels on which maps on which parts of the map can yeet people off is way stupider. Same goes for boss yeeting situations

[serene sage]

The least fun event for me is the 3 battery arena on the desert map

[strange sparrow]

Shoot the barrel, it's just that shrimple

[white minnow]

the one thing i like about l4d2 is that gauntlets where you had to rush through an area was more common

[serene bough]

its ok, darktide is your new addiction, just accept it

[serene sage]

Because it magically makes teammates stupid

[strange sparrow]

same as dodging bullshit spawn

[white minnow]

and custom maps with some more complicated events

[old quail]

we're getting to this point

although the warren mid event is so

fucking

boring

[tiny summit]

On the 3rd battery I feel like the director always wants to spawn 20 gunners, a couple snipers and maybe a trapper or 2

[serene sage]

Which one is that?

[delicate estuary]

its not always possible, people pace different ways. I have to know the barrels but that is way more intense knowledge wise over the doors that are obvious

[serene sage]

Oh the smoke arenas?

[old quail]

obscura den

you sit in a room

[slate sleet]

me the moment i try exec stance

[old quail]

then go to another room

that has a data interrogator

and u cant see shit the whole time

[serene sage]

Yeah yeah with a shit ton of smoke

[slow garden]

kek'd

[serene sage]

Yeah they need to increase the spawn for those

[slow garden]

Poor lad got obliterated

[serene sage]

And less smoke

[slow garden]

Never ever go near doors, friend

Doors are death

Doors are fear

[delicate estuary]

yea that is a shit location to pop exe

[strange sparrow]

Skill issue on not realizing you have a door smh

[delicate estuary]

[strange sparrow]

[delicate estuary]

I cant remember the map name on that one

its the one with the tunnels right

[slow garden]

🚪 😨

[serene bough]

clearly executioner stance enables the enemy to execute you more efficiently based on that clip

[delicate estuary]

for exe stance you just go to the staircase to the left

[slow garden]

Exe stance works best if you have some support or space to work w/

[strange sparrow]

I still stand by that Exec Stance should be rework to give flat damage to melee/gun

[slow garden]

Like ogryn or smite psyker

[strange sparrow]

and not punish you for taking melee out

[tiny summit]

End of ascension map. Have to clear the daemon to open the door. 4 trappers spawn at once out the door right next to us

[muted knot]

Okay that's hilarious

[slow garden]

YEP

[tiny summit]

And a dog

[delicate estuary]

exe stance is fine compared to VoC voc being the dumbest ability in the game

[potent iris]

I'm unsure if any of it were "copy pasted" they pretty much built most things from the ground up

[slow garden]

I've had the trapper clown car happen before

[crisp oak]

Same

[slow garden]

I can usually clear it on most of my characters but man, my ogryn has died to trapper clown car multiple times

2 fat

Cant move

[crisp oak]

The mutant clown car is the most common though

[serene sage]

The moment I tried using stealth

[slate sleet]

me when i dare use exec stance

[serene sage]

Heat seeking mutant

[slow garden]

Lol, yeeted

Lol, deleted

[tiny summit]

Surprised there's no extra trappers modifier

[slow garden]

Clear poxwalkers and specials before hopping into an elevator

[strange sparrow]

Hmm A lot of stuff is quite similar in terms of VT2 AI Director

[slow garden]

That is your lesson today

[delicate estuary]

I mean there was ample sound for tha tburster

[slate sleet]

me when i exec stance

[muted knot]

Holy shit how unlucky are you

[rain badger]

I mean, I’m sure it was used as a base. No way would it make sense to build something that intensive from the ground up.

[potent iris]

yeah there's definitely similarities but I don't think they straight up 1 for 1 copied anything either

[serene sage]

How did all 4 of you look the wrong way

[slate sleet]

im going to record every pipesquad i see spawning behind me when i use exec stance because i literally cannot play that build without some shit trying to pipe me 24/7

[delicate estuary]

[slow garden]

Elevator confusing

[serene sage]

Like those are clearly unreasonable

But then again, 4 souls staring into a wall is extra hilarious

[slow garden]

Sorry boss, got turned a'round

[slate sleet]

i dont know i think nobody expected them to rush in before the door is even half open

[strange sparrow]

Sound Reasonable to be honest

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/get-rotated-get-rotated-idiot-rotate-rotation-shark-gif-24511062

[delicate estuary]

did they fix fire damage btw

or is it still

[slow garden]

I mean I frequently dick around in the elevator

[delicate estuary]

melt

[strange sparrow]

Nah

[slow garden]

and lose which way is forward

[strange sparrow]

Just dodge

[slow garden]

Too busy teabagging at team mates and spamming weapon swap

[strange sparrow]

I think I only have 1/4 of my toughness gone after touching fire

[serene sage]

New mechanic to punish corner stims masturbators

[terse idol]

Disagree, I prefer that we have dedicate keystones for specific roles

[rain badger]

That is a 50/50 squad wipe nowadays. I’ve had people just stand there after all 3 batteries and not notice they have to deactivate the fan.

[slow garden]

Spamming FOR THE EMPEROR

Lol

[terse idol]

[slow garden]

Love it

[strange sparrow]

?? But it's ability thou

Not like it hurt to have a keystone that make an ability better

[delicate estuary]

exe stance doesnt punish you for pulling melee out

what

it just requires way more skill than VOC

[strange sparrow]

Exec Stances instantly stop when you pull melee

[slow garden]

Just in opportunity cost, but like

Exe stance requires you to position well

If you get melee'd in exe stance well

You used it at the wrong time

Or your team comp just isnt clearing horde

[delicate estuary]

you can also dodge away with exe stance active without having to swap

just hae to be ok with giving up space

and have the ability to give out space

[celest vine]

the dump stat on power sword is cleave targets right?

[delicate estuary]

you can use exe stance to intsa pop a special or two mid melee as well

[slow garden]

Mobility is dump

[strange sparrow]

I mean yea, but Im saying that it punish people for taking their melee out when you activate the ability

it's restrictive in nature

[delicate estuary]

as long as you get max dodges from the mobility stat mobility is the dump stat

[slow garden]

Well, yeah.

[delicate estuary]

yes and that is fine

[slow garden]

So dont use it if your about to engage in melee combat

[strange sparrow]

meanwhile I would even argue the reward isn't that great

[delicate estuary]

there is no need for I can do everything abilities

like voc

[slow garden]

Try going lights out or vent purge w/o exe stance

Feel pain

[delicate estuary]

just need a good psycho zealot with a knife for that

[slow garden]

[strange sparrow]

I do because You don't really need to take a gun out

[white minnow]

i'd dump cleave targets yeah

[celest vine]

then the sword I just got is perfect then

[strange sparrow]

not like you have strongest melee weapon known to man

[delicate estuary]

then you dont pick exe stance for melee

[celest vine]

BM 4, PS 4, flak and carapace 25

[slow garden]

Noice

Grats mate

[delicate estuary]

I only pull melee weapon to deal with back horde or if there is a horde of maulers/crushers

[slow garden]

Show it to us

[delicate estuary]

and my rnaged is not good enough for that

[white minnow]

on special attacks, 80 cleave targets is 11.7 cleave and 60% cleave targets is 10.9 cleave, so I'm pretty comfortable with dumping cleave targets

[slow garden]

We as vet chat demand to see baller power swords

[gentle maple]

If I change BM to PC4 and sprint to maniacs on the left, is the right still the best powersword?

[strange sparrow]

I pull Melee weapon out simply because I need to shove poxburster

[slow garden]

lol fox

[delicate estuary]

cant wait for voc to get nerfed

[rare tartan]

for me bestie weapon is shovel with switch mode , saved my life many times

[delicate estuary]

stupid shit

[slow garden]

Tbh I think both have their places in different team comps

VoC is more generalist

But exe stance can be hella valuable

[strange sparrow]

You take Exec Stances for WallHack

[delicate estuary]

I just only pick exe stance or inflitrate out of principle at this point

[strange sparrow]

It's just that Shrimple

[delicate estuary]

voc isnt just generalist its just broken

[slow garden]

I dont even take infiltrate tbh

Right tree stinky

Am gun man

Me gun

[white minnow]

prob just nerf VoC's toughness refill

[strange sparrow]

Kruber Scream isn't so OP in VT2 so I don't even know what went wrong in Darktide

[delicate estuary]

just make the stagger or overtoughness exclusives choices and make the overtoughness to not be affected by regen

[slow garden]

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-rambo-gun-gif-5266901

[white minnow]

i consider the stagger a fairly fundamental part of what the ult does in the first place

[slow garden]

Kruber scream has way longer CD

[white minnow]

in the same way that psyker's shriek staggers enemies in front of you

[serene sage]

hot take: VoC isn't actually that OP
the other two are not that good

[rain badger]

The gun vet desperately needs

[slow garden]

Granted I think VoC is more of a crutch than a requirement

Exe stance and stealth are both perfectly viable by comparison

[white minnow]

i'd just add a cooldown increase to the overtoughness, just like the revive node does

[delicate estuary]

the problem is voc doesnt force you to choose

[strange sparrow]

Finally some good hot take

[delicate estuary]

whereas others do

[untold mulch]

Vet needs the dakka

[celest vine]

there it is

[unique sorrel]

stance has some good ideas but the taxes

half of that needs to be baked into the ability

[slow garden]

Stance does take a bit too many points

Still its not bad

[gentle maple]

If I change BM to PC4 and sprint to maniacs on the left, is the right still the best powersword?

[serene sage]

the balance is between somewhere just below VoC but decently above the other 2

[celest vine]

rampage to cycler 4

[slow garden]

Power Cycler 2 is basically mandatory on Psword

[strange sparrow]

Exec Stances take 3 point to go through, 2 of it it's kinda mandatory for a 25% damage + 25% headshot damage + refresh + highlight x

[slow garden]

Er, 5

4* fuck

Insanely powerful

[celest vine]

brutal momentum is the second best blessing for power sword

[gentle maple]

Would the left be better tho`?

[slow garden]

Exe stance is super useful to a team that is aware of their surroundings, too, I should note

[strange sparrow]

VoC, Take 2 points to go through and 1 of it help you get immune to PoxBurster

[slow garden]

Whereas VOC is a crutch for a bad team

[celest vine]

clear hordes the absolute best

[unique sorrel]

id love a version of e.stance that's based around recon more than getting damage buffed

[slow garden]

(Albeit a very good crutch)

[serene sage]

team?

[unique sorrel]

like, no dmg bonuses, but teammates can extend the combo

[serene sage]

it's cute that you think I pick VoC for team

[strange sparrow]

I rather get an Exec Stance that function similar to Scarier's Gaze atm

[slow garden]

lol I mean same, but

[serene sage]

i pick it to save my own ass

[slow garden]

A good team prevents you being in a position where you need to hit VOC to save your own ass, too

[serene sage]

GIVE VETS DISRUPT DESTINY

ahhhhh

[strange sparrow]

You lost me at the good team there

[serene sage]

GIVE PSYKERS MARKSMAN FOCUS

[slow garden]

Exe stance is great at handling threats proactively, while VOC is a great fallback/emergency tool

[celest vine]

gold toughness blocks all burster damage to health

[serene sage]

when they use their staffs they are slowed to a crawl anyway

[untold mulch]

I love running infiltrate because it lets me be stupid aggresive and not pay the consequences

[serene sage]

no seriously

[celest vine]

even 1 point of overheal grants this

[serene sage]

staff psykers almost stand still anyway for staff

[celest vine]

from any source

[obtuse raft]

VoC is so I can rush out into the open and stand there counter firing shooters like their las bolts don't exist

[serene sage]

give them marksman and they will be happy as clam

we will be happy with DD

[slow garden]

you can crouch slide and charge your staff as psyker btw

[serene sage]

[slow garden]

Just sayin

[serene sage]

you shut your mouth

[slow garden]

: D

Mouth open

[white minnow]

three out of the four staffs will only benefit from the crit portion of marksman so that's big sad

[slow garden]

Give free food

[strange sparrow]

wait wdym

[slow garden]

[serene sage]

we can balance around that

[rare tartan]

is this zealot invasion ?

[white minnow]

purg, trauma, and surge do not headshot (unless you use the LMB bolt)

[serene sage]

🌯

[strange sparrow]

Oh Yeah it doesn't headshot

Only Void do

[slow garden]

Mm tasty rashuns

[serene sage]

does 40k have burritos?

[potent iris]

rashuns are nutiritionally complete

[serene sage]

i hope somewhere

somehow they do

[slow garden]

Probably somewhere aye

[strange sparrow]

But seriously, Exec Stances are fucked imo and should take on a total rework

[slow garden]

I bet there's some cult out there that considers burritos sacred

[strange sparrow]

It should incorporate melee into mechanics so people dont need good team to function

[serene sage]

well back in my days that's all we have and no one complained

you kids are just spoiled

[slow garden]

Hell I started playing at the talent rework and I think exe stance is fine

Powerful, even

[serene sage]

like i said, kids are just spoiled

[slow garden]

Granted I dont care if it gets buffed to include melee and cost less talent points

Sure

Go for it

[strange sparrow]

Smh, make an ability so niche that it ignore a major part of combat

[slow garden]

I'd enjoy that actually

[white minnow]

prob just let executioner's stance be maintained when swapping to melee, just that you lose the bonuses until you swap back to ranged

[tiny summit]

Exe good. Skill issue

[strange sparrow]

I mean you're Legate and you play Hellbore

HellBore player don't have issue with Exec Stance

[serene sage]

ironic, isn't it

[slow garden]

I run a plasgun build w/ exe stance and it serves well

[tiny summit]

I play with infantry las too. Sometimes plasma for wall banging.

[strange sparrow]

Until they find a poxburster spawn behind them

[slow garden]

Bang those walls

[strange sparrow]

But that's a story for another day

just dont get back spawn

fr

[slow garden]

I mean, dont stand near doors

Though I will give you this

poxburster audio is scuff atm

Those little fuckers jump me a lot more since their audio nerf

Also, fun fact, bomber resist apparantly resists pox bursters

[serene sage]

honestly idk how they managed to screw a little of something every time, despite it being fine the previous patch

[slow garden]

So if your having burster trouble

[serene sage]

and it's like every patch

[slow garden]

Smack on bomber resist

Yeah idk either man

[serene sage]

it's honestly kinda amazing

[slow garden]

Fatshark

[serene sage]

someone at FS just really wanted that job security

[terse idol]

Huh?

[serene sage]

can't have a job if there isn't any issue left

[slow garden]

Well

[tiny summit]

Be nice if bursters only started leaping when they have a clear line of sight. But no they'll just be mid curving leap around the corner

[slow garden]

More likely, I imagine it's because they dont quality test their patches

[terse idol]

I mean that isn't a review about focus

[strange sparrow]

He's saying that no one complained so

[slow garden]

(much if at all)

[strange sparrow]

I just say the overall review are still mixed for a good reason

due to bad launch

[terse idol]

I mean vets appearently review bombed the game when ps got nerfed

[slow garden]

The community quality tests stuff and they built their offices around responding to criticism in about ~1 weeks time

[terse idol]

So some of it is scuffed

[strange sparrow]

Review bomb now get filtered out on Steam

[terse idol]

[serene sage]

real shit? i wasn't there for that era

[slow garden]

Rather than having a QC debt test the patches

[terse idol]

Ah good

[white minnow]

the fact that they turn midair so god damn criminal

[slow garden]

So thats why shit is sometime wonk as fuck

[serene sage]

I remember when Darkest Dungeon got review bombed for putting corpses in the game

[terse idol]

I don't know exactly I only heard second hand

[strange sparrow]

I do not know when is the Psword nerf

[serene sage]

[strange sparrow]

But Im pretty sure this is launch

[terse idol]

Launch was aight

Yeah

It was good

Even for how had it eas

Damn December hit different

[slow garden]

Personally I am like, relatively okay with Fatshark. They're slightly in the negative for me due to the shitty store prices for cosmetics.

[terse idol]

But for all the problems darktide had it was rated pretty high

[slow garden]

And that they dont test things or hotfix major issues day of

[strange sparrow]

I wouldn't say the game is good prior to Talent Rework because they made a lot of bad decision imo

[slow garden]

But yknow overall theyre not horrible, they do okay

[terse idol]

Uhhh

[strange sparrow]

Aquila shop FOMO are dumb

[terse idol]

Kinda sure

[slow garden]

Yeah I fuckin hate the aquila shop

[strange sparrow]

Roll are emperor's reward only

[white minnow]

i wonder what this dip is

[terse idol]

Maybe that was psword nerf

[serene sage]

kinda random, im not making any statements, just 2 games that im playing rn

[tiny summit]

Fatshark is just lucky they make crumping heretic heads so satisfying

[slow garden]

Yeah

[serene sage]

that staying power of Monster Hunter World is kinda wild huh

[slow garden]

They made a hellova good base game

Its just the systems surrounding the game

Like 🅱️ruh

[strange sparrow]

Coming-Soon Mechanics whatever

[terse idol]

One review oh noo

[strange sparrow]

You could filter it

lmao

based on review time frame

[serene sage]

tbf it encapsulates a lot of the issues

[slow garden]

I see why people dont like the crafting system

[strange sparrow]

this is one of the timeframe of those review

[white minnow]

damn no wonder i'm seeing so many people talk about monster hunter

[slow garden]

And the aquila shop is ass

[terse idol]

Yeah I'm being snarky

No crafting shop for months

Darktide literally had no end game

[strange sparrow]

If I want to buy Krieg

Now I need to wait

until god know when

[serene sage]

im part of the bandwagon ngl it was cheap on winter sales, cheapest it has ever been for a really decent game

[strange sparrow]

which is like why bruh

[terse idol]

You had weeks bro

[crisp oak]

I want to buy krieg

[terse idol]

That's on you

[slow garden]

Its why I waited to buy until it was 50% off and the talent tree rework got released

I let all of you beta test the game for me

[crisp oak]

I just started so...

[slow garden]

[strange sparrow]

I mean I was playing psyker and zealot at the time

[slow garden]

Thanks tho, appreciated brothers

[terse idol]

Sorry

[strange sparrow]

Krieg look bad on them

[serene sage]

skill issue

[terse idol]

But like for people who played

[serene sage]

jk

[terse idol]

And said "I have to wait now"

[tiny summit]

I still recommend the game just off gameplay experience in a mission alone. Comes with a lot of however...

[terse idol]

You had weeks

You knew it was gonna rotate

[strange sparrow]

??

[slow garden]

I recommend the game on sale

[strange sparrow]

Was that like a good argument to be made

[terse idol]

Uh okay?

[strange sparrow]

that FOMO is bad

[terse idol]

It was still in the shop

[slow garden]

Idk if I'd pay 60 for it with all this fomo shit

But yknow I'm just some guy, do what you want

[tiny summit]

Me with the preorder and not touching it until class update

[serene sage]

children having cancer is also bad

[frank basin]

it is some or most player doesn't listen demonhost nearby and they waked it up?

[slow garden]

New players mostly

[strange sparrow]

New player are bad with Demonhost

[serene sage]

sometimes they don't notice, ping it for them

if they are new (your choice for playing Heresy and below) then best to type/chat

[terse idol]

Yeah it is bad but you had the opportunity

And like

This is thee issue

[strange sparrow]

uh

okay?

[terse idol]

The shop isn't the worst fomo shop out there

[slow garden]

God is it bad though

[terse idol]

People are complaining now that it doesn't rotate enough

Its bas

[empty root]

this worth keeping?

[slow garden]

I complain that the prices are insanely high

[terse idol]

Could rotate every day or every week

[strange sparrow]

I dont understand the justification of this aquila system isn't good

[terse idol]

Yeah thats valid

[serene sage]

i wouldn't if you already have a v7

[slow garden]

And honestly you dont even need to 'rotate' the shop

Just

Have a fuckin shop

Mate

[terse idol]

I'm just saying you saying "I don't know when krieg set is coming back" you had weeks

Sorry

Gotta wait

[crisp oak]

Yesterday an ogryn aggroed one and had shield

[strange sparrow]

Hm okay?

[empty root]

I dont, this is the first 370+ orange item I have gotten on my vet

[strange sparrow]

I guess

[serene sage]

yeah, and it's dumb and annoying

[crisp oak]

Then took out their stubber

[empty root]

I have a 367 plasma gun thats it

[slow garden]

I mean I won't buy anything on that shop until it gets prices lowered

[frank basin]

same, but this ogryn kreig didnt block

[slow garden]

First person game anyway

idgaf

[crisp oak]

And I told them in voice "ogryn swap back to that shield"

[serene sage]

then yeah it's cool change both blessings
not perfect but very usable

[untold mulch]

1/4 game price

[crisp oak]

As I dumped 3 krak grenades into it

[slow garden]

YEA

[strange sparrow]

for us, 1/2 of the game price

[rain badger]

Was deep in a damnation disruption mission. DH before last area. It gets trigger, shield ogryn sits there and tanks it while the team dies off.
Ogryn - “who triggered DH?”
Everyone - “you did”
Ogryn - “I was in elevator.”

[strange sparrow]

fucked up tbh

[slow garden]

Like okay if darktide at 30 dollars

I might buy one

[untold mulch]

It doesn't even fucking have regional pricing?

[slow garden]

But lol you are selling your game at full price with this shitty fomo shop

[crisp oak]

Tbh I have one free cosmetic set

From imperial edition

But they suck

[empty root]

I dont have any blessings right now, what perks should I put on

[crisp oak]

(2500 aquilas)

[serene sage]

it's appalling that League of Legends has a much better shop

[gritty mural]

Shop cosmetics aren’t worth it most of the time

[serene sage]

Surgical and Deadly Accurate

[slow garden]

Yeah but at least Darktide is a fun video game

[rain badger]

Earned cosmetics > bought cosmetics

[strange sparrow]

Man....

[slow garden]

Unlike LoL

: D

[strange sparrow]

Why you gonna make it that way

[empty root]

I have surgical 1

[terse idol]

Yepp

[crisp oak]

True but I cant be a plate wearing arbites with my earned currency

[serene sage]

good enough

[tiny summit]

FOMO shop is a collection of annoyances. First price and no way to earn pennies of premium currency. Then limited time. Then there's full price reskins. Then there's a complete disregard to the docket and achievement sourced cosmetics. Each character gets like a max of like 1 or 2 styles that just build on each other if you don't spend any extra money.

[empty root]

crucian roulette 3 and between the eyes 3

headhunter 1

[terse idol]

The reskins suck

[serene sage]

surgical and headhunter then

[terse idol]

Like oh my god just put them in the ordo store

For recolours

[slow garden]

Fomo shop overpriced garbage

[serene sage]

keep looking for better stuff but that's prob the best you can do rn

[crisp oak]

Put something into the ordo store

[empty root]

falter and ghost are not good?

[crisp oak]

Also all zealot hoods suck ass

[serene sage]

ghost is okay, just not on this style of gun

falter is generally never worth it

[terse idol]

Morbian 21st zealot good so good doe

[rain badger]

all zealots suck ass* fixed it for you

[strange sparrow]

Another issue is the game aren't really "Completed" yet

[tiny summit]

I like the raggedy cape you get on psyker from penances. But it's only in 1 color. If I unlock a "style" I should be able to unlock more colors with dockets

[crisp oak]

Thats from shop no

[slow garden]

Zealot good class actually

[strange sparrow]

It's like it's getting there

[slow garden]

It was hard for me to play at first

But once I got the right melee weapons

[strange sparrow]

but probably in another few years

[slow garden]

It's hella solid

[crisp oak]

Sounds like a man in need of reeducation

[rain badger]

zealot good class, zealot players are another story

[slow garden]

Eh

[neat stratus]

Shadow of War hurts me

[slow garden]

Most zealot players are fine, just some of them uhm

Eat crayons

[crisp oak]

I mean if they dont use knife....

[rain badger]

name a more toxic player class

[serene sage]

so do we tbf

[strange sparrow]

Veteran

[neat stratus]

Voice chat using Ogryn

[strange sparrow]

Plasma and Psword

[slow garden]

I havent really encountered many toxic players in general, honestly

[strange sparrow]

Pre-nerf Psyker Asail

[serene sage]

Veteran

[slow garden]

So uh

[crisp oak]

I play support zealot IE help the team instead of fucking off and dying

[slow garden]

Idk

But I'm really friendly with everyone and say hi at match start, so

[rain badger]

Wrong (X)

[serene sage]

I see one every match

[terse idol]

No

[crisp oak]

Is ot you?

[terse idol]

It was PC exclusive

[slow garden]

Are they toxic or just making mistakes, fox

Big diff

[crisp oak]

Oh then how get?

[serene sage]

[slow garden]

OH

Lol

[terse idol]

Had to play the game before Nov 17

[blazing veldt]

Tox gamer

[terse idol]

Last year

[slow garden]

that went over my head

[crisp oak]

Ah

[slow garden]

Fuckin jet plane over my dumbass brain

[crisp oak]

That doesnt help me

[slow garden]

✈️

[crisp oak]

With my gimp hoods

[rain badger]

Toxic as the people playing the class, not the class itself. If someone is complaining or talking mad shit, it’s 99% a zealot. I don’t make the rules

[strange sparrow]

To be honest, Aquila shop won't change because FOMO has made people spend a lot of money to begin

[neat stratus]

Trust me itll mean something in 5 years when this game likely dies

[slow garden]

BLOOD FOR THE EMPEROR

[strange sparrow]

it's a sound business model

[tiny summit]

I don't count someone being bad as toxic. I count toxic as the 2 knife zealots that ran ahead. Aggroed the crusher squad. Died to them and then blamed me and friend dealing the horde that was on our backs

[slow garden]

SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE

[rain badger]

post drip

[untold mulch]

Toxic players are rare for usual gaming which I like

Dumbasses are aplenty though

[neat stratus]

I mean just look at Destiny 2

[strange sparrow]

Look at MOBILE GAMES

[slow garden]

Idk I dont run into toxic zealots much

I run into dumb ones sure

But I also run into dumb vets

Or ogryns

[strange sparrow]

Significantly more profitable

[untold mulch]

At this rate only companies going too far will fix anything

Whales just keep whaling

[neat stratus]

What is there to miss out on 💀

[slow garden]

Or psykers

[rain badger]

dumb =/= toxic, unless their dumbness makes them rage chat the team lmao

Ogryns are chillest, then psykers, but psykers hardly ever talk lmao

[strange sparrow]

Mobile game industry revenue has surpassed PC game industry revnue

[slow garden]

Idk bruh, havent had that experience, cant relate really

[strange sparrow]

pour one out for the homies that one day we would have less pc game studio

[unique sorrel]

toxic maxxing, if you take an ammo pack i looked at u better be aware of barrels for the good of the mission

[slow garden]

I do see a lot of knife zealots that naruto run into the distance and get netted or dogg'd though

[neat stratus]

dumb =/= toxic, but toxic = dumb (or smart but redditor type smart where its overly condescending or elitist)

[slow garden]

fuckin dummies

[serene sage]

imma be honest, i don't think ive met that many toxic players
i am not toxic myself
but if you have to rank teammates in your average team in term of toxicity, i would probably rank top 1 or 2

[strange sparrow]

Im toxic for sure because I bind tag to m1

[tiny summit]

Honkai Star Rail making 4m off the Chinese iOS store alone on its first banner

[rain badger]

I get toxic when someone else does, then I open the flood gates

[slow garden]

I will occasionally get briefly angry if someone does something really fucking dumb

[strange sparrow]

me in your game tagging enemy

[slow garden]

Then I usually apologize

[untold mulch]

I spend a significant amount of brainpower lately in T5 not to go

"YOU KARKING IDIOT, WHY TF YOU HERE, GO BACK TO SEDITION"

[terse idol]

I will aay I think as long as PC gamers exist and people have a passion, we'll have indie devs

[slow garden]

For example we were next to an activating DH with mutants in the area and this Veteran closes the fucking door on me as I try to get through

I open it

He closes it again

I get mutant hit

And thrown into the DH

Run ends

[serene sage]

yeah I would say shit like
"dude I soloed the boss, at least leave me some ammo bro" when the ogryn at orange took a large ammo pack when im at red

[slow garden]

Called him a fucking doorknob

[rain badger]

lol, lmao even

[serene sage]

it's justified but sometimes best to say nothing at all

[neat stratus]

Zealots when they have a knife and see the assassination target (we're literally at the start of the map)

[strange sparrow]

Passions could only drive people so far in keeping the food on the table

[slow garden]

I kinda just accept the fact that the ogryn will take all of my ammo if he's a gungryn

Am I happy about it as a vet main

no

[terse idol]

AAA devs have been also constantly dropping the ball

Starfield

[slow garden]

Do I accept it is reality

[terse idol]

Mw3

[slow garden]

yes

[terse idol]

Terrible

[serene sage]

indie are doing hella well though

[slow garden]

lol starfield a 'triple a game'

[terse idol]

Many of our most favourite games came from that passion

[neat stratus]

DICE

Battlefield 5 and 2042

[terse idol]

Like halo was at first just made by a few guys

[untold mulch]

I learned quickly the ammo hungry tells

And just abuse scavenger to pick almost no ammo

[rain badger]

Does zealot have wound perks in their skill tree or whatever?

[neat stratus]

And 1 and 4 and some would say 3

[tiny summit]

Brain is firing neurons and I need to stay calm when I see randoms throwing medkits right before a room with a med station or throwing their ammo box down while there's already 1 down

[serene sage]

Indie and AA are on the way up and up, filling the space AAA left behind as AAA moves onto being more live service

[strange sparrow]

The thing about Indie is Bad game get ignored so you would always recognize Indie eating good imo

[slow garden]

I usually ask politely in voice chat if the ogryn can spare me some ammo if he takes a bunch

[neat stratus]

AAA games are the equivalent of B games with big names

[slow garden]

Only 2 ogryn have outright ignored that request

[elder oriole]

this but smite psykers

[unique sorrel]

the dopest thing i ever saw was me swapping stims to heal a teammate, only to see another one notice my stim, swap it out for his, use it, then pick his own back up

[strange sparrow]

While AAA Game have gigantic marketing budget but once they flop everyone know

[serene sage]

you are absolutely right, but I think that's what I expect from indie development. it's risky

[slow garden]

But in those 2 matches I spent most of the match with 1/2 of a mag

[serene sage]

the word indie means you are own your own, no big publisher, no big ad campaign to save you

[tiny summit]

AAA studios really trying out their "too big to fail". Seeing the budget for Spiderman 2 a game I do not care about made me whinge

[slow garden]

Barely surviving off of survivalist

[neat stratus]

The best modern AAA game is stomped by an above average indie imo

[rain badger]

Oh god, people with ammo or health packs that dont drop them, even when using callouts or typing in chat. rage inducing

[serene sage]

I wouldn't go that far

[slow garden]

That is mildly annoying

I dont really feel rage for it though

[neat stratus]

I can't name a good AAA on PC that came out this year tbf (2023)

[tiny summit]

I'm of the opinion that smite psykers are completely fine and only will annoy me if they are literally in the back not advancing with us to hold a handful of pox walkers. Otherwise I have no problem them just spamming it and locking down horde moments

[terse idol]

Teah

[slow garden]

Smite psyker is great

Love em

[tiny summit]

MW3 still top seller on steam.

[slow garden]

Gives me space to shoot my fuckin gun

[serene sage]

Remnant 2 is probably better classified as AA but it's pretty good

[tiny summit]

Like...please don't be delusional

[crisp oak]

Dont likr 2 smite psykers though

[slow garden]

Clears horde

[elder oriole]

thats what i mean though. most of them DO just lock down like 10 pox walkers and call it a day

[serene sage]

just off top my head

[slow garden]

Eh, im even okay with

2

[neat stratus]

MW3 makes money, its not good. Big difference

[rain badger]

As long as there are boys aged 15-18, COD will always sell high numbers

[serene sage]

Baldur 3?

[slow garden]

Yep

Baldur 3 good game

Love ems

[blazing veldt]

smite would be good if it didn't take so long to stagger

[serene sage]

I head the Finals is also good

[slow garden]

Lol what smite is amazing

Best psyker blitz by miles imo

[tiny summit]

Yea but MW3 "stomps" them monetarily and popularity

[neat stratus]

Call of Duty makes money for being Call of Duty, it's still only 40% positive recent and 31% all time

[elder oriole]

smite is good against armoured packs but i wish people would leave it at that and actually kill stuff

[slow garden]

MW is made for people who dont join the discords of their fave games

[neat stratus]

Call of Duty wins in popularity because its Call of Duty

[strange sparrow]

Nah

Their enormous fuckin marketing budget

[serene sage]

never played CoD, not intentionally at least

probably never will 😎

[tiny summit]

You mean the minority of people? People engaged with review scores are the minority of a minority

[slow garden]

I will play Treyarch's black ops released

[strange sparrow]

Everyone know COD existences on releasing a new game

[slow garden]

I hate infinity wards cod's though

Inconsistent shitpiles

[strange sparrow]

that's because their marketing budget bombardment

[rain badger]

who actually reviews the games they play

[strange sparrow]

while you see game like TW : PHARAOH got no one

[neat stratus]

If you wanna look at anyone talking about the game to begin with, they aren't praising it

[strange sparrow]

because they didn't even get the confidences to market the game kekW

[slow garden]

Total War is also a super niche franchise

[rain badger]

Waiting for Stalker 2 to be released

[slow garden]

Only really plays well on PC

[tiny summit]

After Cold War and all the futuristic BLOPs. Eh I'll pass. Only reason I had cold war was because it came with my 3080

[slow garden]

Plays like shit

On consoles

I played the cold war beta and liked i

[strange sparrow]

Total War Warhammer 3 got super super popular because marketing budget was off the roof thou

[serene sage]

To be fair, most League players don't like the game if you ask them

[slow garden]

Well yeah, but compare it to COD or the big budget console titles

[serene sage]

And yet

[slow garden]

And TW:WH3 is a drop in the bucket by comparison

[tiny summit]

If you're talking about videogames on the internet. You're a minority of a minority. The people that make up CoDs majority playerbase don't care.

[crude fiber]

Am I in the minority for liking BO4?

[neat stratus]

There's 3 types of call of duty players; Those that hate it, those that have nostalgia for the older games, and those that think Apple is the best tech brand there is because its popular

[serene sage]

Body odor 4?

[slow garden]

Lol fuckin, apple

[rain badger]

Black OPS 4? yes. It was my first COD in a long time, what a waste of money lmao

[slow garden]

I'ma be real I work in tech and I cant stand apples products

[strange sparrow]

Apple is another one, Marketing > Actual Product

[crude fiber]

I liked the multi-player and it had the best mastery camo by far imo

[slow garden]

Marketing is immensely important too, but you want to market a game that has high 'access', too, is my point

Total War is niche because it can only be accessed by PC players

[serene sage]

Okay listen, I built my own PC, 3 times
I think Macbooks are awesome, would get one if the price is right

[slow garden]

Whereas cod is everywhere

On your fuckin phone

[rain badger]

COD looks fun. BF shit the bed with their smoothbrain decisions. Waiting for a fun MP shooter.

[neat stratus]

When we take a data sample, we don't literally look at every single living person. You can extrapolate based on a minority, if that minority is a certain size.

[slow garden]

On your nintendo switch

[serene sage]

And the price is never right

[spice wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/c2-c-squared-twocsinacod-2csinacod-wink-gif-25206195

[slow garden]

Xbox, playstation, PC.

[strange sparrow]

The price is never right

[slow garden]

High access game with a simple premise for the widest audience with a massive marketing budget

Thats how it makes its money

[terse idol]

Fifa just kinda

[strange sparrow]

Apple Product would never have a right price on them

[terse idol]

Yeah it sucks still sells

[slow garden]

I built my own PC 3 times also and god I would never buy apple, because getting its software to talk to other software is a goddamn nightmare under the hood

[neat stratus]

I have seen and used a lot of phones, I think Apple would be incredible, if it were like $200-$300 cheaper

[slow garden]

But im a programmer so

[strange sparrow]

FIFA is fun on Console thou despite how much copy paste

[slow garden]

Thats more of a me thing

[strange sparrow]

That's a you problem

[slow garden]

We type

We get paid

[strange sparrow]

Apple software are fucked

[slow garden]

We live

The thing is their architecture, they basically want everyone trapped in their ecosystem

So getting apple systems to talk to windows or linux

God fucking help me

[serene sage]

Me, too.
Not software dev, statistics side
I would like a Mac Pro for work

[strange sparrow]

I remember Apple require you to subscribe some weird key thing to develop stuff on their platform

[tiny summit]

Remember the pricing of that monitor stand?

[rain badger]

Apple is only good for phones, everything else is trash

[neat stratus]

Its a problem with Apple, its designed to only work with Apple products so you literally get trapped and forced into the ecosystem cage that you cant leave, or it'll be wasting multiple of their thousand dollar paperweights

[serene sage]

But all we have are Lenovos

[slow garden]

Just get a cyberpower ezpc my bro

[serene sage]

Because corpo

[slow garden]

Better price to performance

[strange sparrow]

Ironic, that it sold quite well

[slow garden]

Holiday sale deals