veteran-class

[neat stratus]

It went from being an awesome flair to almost a main source of damage/easy af counter

[torn root]

in general world was super forgiving thats why LS was broken before they finally hit it with nerfs

[neat stratus]

LS is even more op in Rise, though again thats just my opinion

[torn root]

LS was literally king of the game from base world to Iceborn after the velkhana release, when it got nerfed

[torn root]

no

in rise LS got nerfed again

[fleet garden]

ls was op in rise till sunbreak, ill give you that

[neat stratus]

I only played like 600-700 hours of LS in World though tbf

[neat stratus]

You know what thats a good point, I forgot that sunbreak existed

[torn root]

its balanced compared to how it was in world, and you can see the difference in powers based on ppl's clear times

SnS dumpsters LS times

for once in a MH game

[neat stratus]

SnS was my absolute favorite weapon

[torn root]

can't call it OP when the shoto weapon beats your time

[neat stratus]

Rise or World?

[torn root]

Rise

we had the DP era in rise

[fleet garden]

well we are getting off topic so ima leave this mh topic

[neat stratus]

Eh fair enough

[torn root]

where everyone was cosplaying ryu from streetfighter

[neat stratus]

I played end-iceborne and mid-age rise

Stuff probably changed in Rise that flipped it on its head

[torn root]

in rise it got nerfed now but you can still takes barrels and gunpowders and kill most enemies in next to no time still on SnS

Barrels were like a mandatory include for the SnS at one point cause that shit was free

[neat stratus]

Ayways Imma just leave this here

horrible photoshop (not done in photoshop)

[crisp bronze]

By the Emperors light...

[torn root]

it irked me that world was the mainline game, but I am okay with more people trying MH for now

anyone who says rise is easier isn't playing the end game tho

100%

[neat stratus]

Could be worse

(I bullpupped it)

[crisp bronze]

It took me a second... that's a pretty chunky pistol grip.

[neat stratus]

HEHEHEHA

[torn root]

why does the gun look like it has a sack on it

lmao

[neat stratus]

Pump action

This isnt meant to be a pun
This isnt meant to be a pun
This isnt meant to be a pun

[crisp bronze]

Is this an example of those Laslock weapons I've heard about?

[torn root]

oh did you edit that photo?

lmao

there are shades covering parts

[neat stratus]

Yes I did, Im ruining the lucius

[crisp bronze]

Bipod on the bayonet. Bipod knife.

[neat stratus]

[torn root]

enemies are guarenteed to run into it

[serene sage]

cursed shit

[neat stratus]

Pump action rumbler

Bullpup psyker staff

[crisp bronze]

Ogryn sized china lake sounds kinda sick actually. Hold on... isn't the Grenade Gauntlet just a super weird pump action Rumbler?

[neat stratus]

Pistolucius Helbore

[neat stratus]

Yes but without the pump

[neat stratus]

Oh wait here's a version with a Bayonet

[regal belfry]

can opener coul be interesting on helbore rifles but sadly only ogryn ripper guns have it

[torn root]

need me a smite psyker like this tho ngl XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNChTEBUvdM

[still scarab]

what weapon for veteran is good at staggering?

need help lol

[neat stratus]

Bolter

Plasma Gun

[strange sparrow]

Why do you want staggering to begin

[serene sage]

^

[still scarab]

sorry i mean melee weapon

im a noob lol

[serene sage]

the clear answer is bolter for ranged

[still scarab]

tryna gitgud

[serene sage]

shovel prob for melee

[strange sparrow]

The problem with this game about stagger is just kill tbh

[torn root]

grenades and VoC

dont worry about melee and guns staggering

you can just kill with them lmao

[neat stratus]

Heres a better version of a Bullpupped Lucius Helbore

[torn root]

but if you REALLY need a stagger melee, new shovel

[still scarab]

which shovel specifically?

[neat stratus]

The new one

[still scarab]

oh lol

[regal belfry]

death is the best cc

[glossy root]

This has prob been asked a lot, but what have all you vets used for a hard mode run

[serene sage]

id rather have surge psyker who can kills things over whatever this is tbh

they can just stand their ground and fight

[strange sparrow]

Psword and Plasma

[torn root]

but its funny to watch

[serene sage]

instead of pushing and spawn more shit

[strange sparrow]

But you could use Columnus for Hard Mode run

To me, I feel Columnus burn too much ammo to be viable in there

[serene sage]

yeah it's funny

i can give it that

[strange sparrow]

because how often you're using columnus spam to kill void shield

(Gunlugger job)

[crisp bronze]

My winning run was Plasma and Power Sword. VoC and Shredder Frags to clear space during the gas runs. Field Improv. Focus on clearing elites.

[strange sparrow]

^

[torn root]

Columnus melts the shield and its my fave gun so imma go with that

[strange sparrow]

Hard Mode Twins make Vet a support

[glossy root]

I’ve been trying to run mk3 helbore, it just seems like I can do everything the plasma can without overheating. But I might be crazy

[strange sparrow]

Helbore doesn't do stuff fast enough so you would be suffering quite badly

especially the circuit run where 6 rager can spawn behind you

[torn root]

2nd most damage aint bad tho

lmao

[neat stratus]

1911 I've modeled, forgot I could do that

[neat stratus]

Its a bit slow like Nahcies said, personally I like it for longer missions since it always has ammo

[glossy root]

Does the plasma have to be rolled a specific way to be effective? I have a couple solid ones but they just feel like they hit weak, maybe I’m missing some breakpoints

[neat stratus]

Have you been holding the secondary action?

[glossy root]

Yeah, but I feel like I’m usually having to 2 shot gunners and ragers even with the charge

[neat stratus]

headshots or bodies?

[glossy root]

Usually bodies, I’m not great at getting headshots with it, that might be the problem

[neat stratus]

Its a lot better with heads, though most perks involving power and damage help it quite a bit with tankier enemies

[crisp bronze]

Plasma needs near max Damage and Stopping Power. 78-80 in both stats at least. With those settled the Perks are more Important than the Blessings in my opinion. Flak/Unarmoured to one shot both Gunners. Flak/Maniacs makes it much easier to deal with Ragers and hit one shots on Flamers.

[neat stratus]

^what he said

[crisp bronze]

Flak/Carapace if you simply don't like Crushers. This is what I used in my winning Hard Mode run. As far as I can remember all the Ragers are Scab/Flak, same with the Shotgunners. Specials are way less of a problem than the elites so Flak/Carapace is good for all of the Maulers, Crushers, Ragers, and Shotgunners you need to chew through.

[neat stratus]

haha, crusher go

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003

[strange sparrow]

The thing with Plasma is it provide unparallel DPS in that arena fight because how shotgun/rager/elite spawn

they spam through the same door if you notice

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/electric-do-you-feel-it-gif-5980427

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/plasma-gun-warhammer40k-death-korps-of-krieg-fire-power-youtube-absolutely-nothing-death-korps-of-krieg-gif-26550077

[serene sage]

fucking noob right clicking his plasma against a lesser enemy

did he not know left click would kill already

[neat stratus]

The enemy in question:

https://tenor.com/view/die-skeleton-explosion-template-gif-24689318

[crisp bronze]

As for the Power Sword it makes a pretty big difference if you can hit the Push Attack into Light 4 2 tap kill with PS6. Power Cycler Brutal Momentum is the big combo here. It helps a lot for the elites and hordes. Especially the buffed Poxwalkers in gas phase. I cannot stress enough how nice a BM PS6 is at mulching those hordes of buffed Poxwalkers.

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/mulch-spongebob-squidward-home-depot-more-mulch-gif-18835874

[thick rose]

what perks do you generally want on hellbores?

[devout imp]

Onslaught, the others aren't that crazy

[serene sage]

Brutal Momentum

[tiny summit]

Depending on your helbore and what breakpoints to make

[devout imp]

oop, mistook perks for blessings

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/oakie-when-the-perc-hit-oakie-gif-booyah-gif-22813831

[tiny summit]

Depending on the mk and dmg roll of your helbore and talents you may be able to get away with forgoing some dmg types

[tranquil bronze]

Why do people insist on grimoires on Heresy and above?

[vernal harbor]

They do not

I like to believe that those who do, simply haven't thought hard about it's real worth

[thick rose]

its good when they die after picking them up XD

solves your problems

[crisp bronze]

The worst are the Ogryns who pick them up not realizing or not caring about the fact it takes a flat value of hp making it way more dangerous for us little guys compared to them.

[tiny summit]

For example. A grey mk1 helbore fails to 1 tap dreg gunners unless you have some extra talents kick in and/or unarmored dmg.

[quick steeple]

i grab the grims and crush em immediately XD\

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-winking-wink-wink-feeling-good-smiles-gif-15388269

"dam bad luck srry man"

[serene sage]

wanna troll games but don't want to actually stay and play?

introducing

grimoire

you take grim, then quit

the bot will still hold grim

and they can't ask the bot to destroy it

[quick steeple]

thats just mean...

[umbral scaffold]

"Inquisitor Grendyl? yea thats him right there "

[tranquil bronze]

I ask them to destroy the grimoire... and they say... "Lol, are you bad at the game?"

[tiny summit]

I grab grims when I'm on cleanse zealot

[serene sage]

those dickheads aren't that good

they usually go down

you hide and let them die then dab on their corpse

[tiny summit]

I just say "it's not worth it".

[umbral scaffold]

Grims are just not worth it yeah

Dockets are nothing

And the way grims work in darktide is just the shittiest way possible

Would've been better if they actually just took a wound down or halved your health

But you being able to die to grim corruption
Lol

[bitter turtle]

Be at 99 corruption

Take grim

Eat grim

Heal corruption

Im a genius

[devout imp]

people screaming for longlas when every system is geared towards rushing through the maps, close range engagements and the hellbore existing

[bitter turtle]

Helbore isn't a real gun

[devout imp]

they'd all migrate to enclavum baros

[bitter turtle]

It's just a spear with gun attached

[devout imp]

Bayonet buffs made the gun even more fun to use, MKII > MG12

[quick steeple]

hmm could be a nice alternate col V for the big bois

reroll maniac > unyielding after i get more plasty for dumdum4?

[bitter turtle]

I always would run flaniac for ciag personally

[tiny summit]

Ragers too common to ignore

[devout imp]

bosskiller autogun?

[tiny summit]

Raking fire

[devout imp]

I'd still replace raking fire, weakspot multiplier on the gun is too crazy to ignore, and burgles ain't worth it

Bubblegum and Plogryn both don't really play nice from behind and with shout / nades you can set up for a full mag dump into their pretty little weakspots

Bulwarks don't warrant a dedicated blessing, they go down fast enough

[spice wadi]

if longlas ever comes in i guarantee it would not play like a sniper

[devout imp]

left side tree + weapon customization mod scope users would be very upset if they could see your message outside their tunnel vision

[umbral scaffold]

xd i still have the bug. i swear this bot is haunting me

[quick steeple]

you dont actually have to be fully behind or shooting the back yk right? just over the 90 degree line on either side and the bonus kicks

[devout imp]

Could be an interesting angle to explore, in my personal preference I'd prefer a more universally usable blessing. I feel like in many situations where there's monsters I at least would either not be able to make use of it, or dodge straight into a rager to get my blessing value by tunneling on that

To me at least monsters in isolation aren't an issue, it's that they often arrive with several disablers, a range pod and a mixed horde

[bitter turtle]

Raking fire is OK just because the second blessing for iag is all just ok

[quick steeple]

oh ive already got a dum/deth flakiak, was seeing if i could roll it perfect and this came out

[devout imp]

then I'd say go for it yeah, would be intersting to know how much use one gets out of it

[woeful ibex]

Ricken Backer
Damn, System Shock 2 protag

10/10

[quick steeple]

running a few to see how it vibes with a spec build. the big dodge pretty much always puts you in the 180 rear cone to delete so far

[tranquil bronze]

Well... there we have it...

[gilded rock]

Dunno if this is common knowledge but it helps me out a bit with maximizing boss damage, if you do a revved chainsword attack and use VoC in the middle of it, it doesn't interrupt your attack at all and timing it well many times will give you enough time for a free second rev attack from stunning the boss

[stoic tinsel]

do different marks share blessings?
Like infantry lasguns for example

[gilded rock]

Different marks of same gun should share blessings I believe

[gilded rock]

Dunno if this works for chaxes, prolly gonna test that when I get a good orestes

[tiny summit]

Does the XII actually need flak for scab gunners?

[quick steeple]

weps in the same Archetype/family do yes

rule of thumb if the suffix part after the mark number matches, it shares

[stoic tinsel]

awesome

[quick steeple]

has to match EXACTLY though

void staff & trauma staff i.e. do not share

[stoic tinsel]

right
Like infantry lasguns will not share with helbore

[tiny summit]

Correct. Infantry lasguns are different from recons and helbores

[tranquil bronze]

Just going with the knowledge I'm told that infantry las generally has flak

[devout imp]

why'd you have to remind me I get the 2x on crit only on trauma and never on void

I just wanna go bowling man

[stoic tinsel]

anyone have tips on how to actually farm unlocking blessings?

[devout imp]

Brunt > Hadron > burn plasteel > repeat

[tiny summit]

If the XII clears a scab gunner head, you're then only really benefitting for body shots and scab ragers.

[stoic tinsel]

so pray-cry-repeat
Got it

[serene sage]

and they wonder why people fall to chaos

[quick steeple]

game theory applies if you want to plan around rolls you wont use but are still high/ blessings you already have

#psyker-class message

[devout imp]

pmuch, it's why people are still miffed with the crafting system. Armory Extension and checking Melk help

[tiny summit]

Spending melkbucks for lvl 4 blessings on unoptimal weapons isn't bad either

[tranquil bronze]

So what do you think should be the perk instead? Maniac?

[kindred stump]

Which axe should I use?

[quick steeple]

this too, melkbux basically used for blessing fodder

[stoic tinsel]

hmmm...maybe ill try to do that more

[tiny summit]

Possibly. Depends. See in the psyk how much you do against the flamers

[devout imp]

I've never seen a viable weapon on Melk, unless it's Knives on Psyker my Zealot likes

[devout imp]

my vote's on left one

[tranquil bronze]

Melk just seems to like messing with people

[serene sage]

a decent amount of level 4 blessing though

[devout imp]

still waiting for Power Cycler IV

[tiny summit]

First PS6 upgraded w/ PC4 and Sunder gang

[devout imp]

I should really try to get into the PS6, sticking with PS3 atm with Slaughterer and PC3

[quick steeple]

brutal momentum > sunder

[devout imp]

Powerswords had their entire bloody rennesaince in the time I rotated Melk, nearly got a 2nd vet to 30 out of frustration

[tiny summit]

As soon as you do Fatshark hits it with the nerf

[devout imp]

like the first time

[crisp bronze]

My first sword ever gave me PC4 and my 4th or 5th sword turned into this:

[devout imp]

Gratz!

[quick steeple]

^ thats the roll

[torn root]

Lottery won

[serene sage]

i had like 4 natural PC4

i dont even like the ps

[quick steeple]

yall can kindly buzz off lol

[devout imp]

I play with what I get, made me appreciate almost any weapon save for the tac axes

[tiny summit]

If I'm using a power sword I'm gonna use the power sword things. If I care about brutal momentum it's gonna be a caxe

[devout imp]

though I feel like a bloody hipster when some funky combos I use suddenly become the "secret top tip on reddit"

and I feel filthy for using them

[quick steeple]

BM is Ps VI things lol

[tiny summit]

Nope

[serene sage]

is any of these usable chat

[tiny summit]

Sunder is exclusive. Therefore PS things

[serene sage]

idk if PC4 is good

[quick steeple]

its mandatory for pws

[tiny summit]

I'm using it to energize shit. So I'm going all in on energize

[crisp bronze]

This started out as an Emperors gift. Idk my Vet seems to be my lucky character. Which is nice because I main vet. But it sucks because I'm trying to branch out and I'm struggling to get good rolls on my other characters lol.

[torn root]

ps6 Can go BM or SC

they both 2 shot crushers

[devout imp]

pinning fire nerf

[serene sage]

still BiS

[tiny summit]

This very stat roll seems very common.

[devout imp]

it is, but I cannot justify bolter > plasma due to the wind up

[quick steeple]

Bolted in Slot? XD

[serene sage]

you clown reacted me how dare

[serene sage]

we can go with that

BiS is Best in Slot

just in case

but I like Bolted in Slot

for a Bolter

[quick steeple]

found the heretic

[kindred stump]

I like the Plasma gun better cause I dont have to reload it every two seconds

[devout imp]

I was the kid that ran double reload on old vet tree

[umbral scaffold]

hes still with me

[tiny summit]

Posted 378+ w/ 2 having PC4. "Is this good?" You deserve the clown!

[devout imp]

He wants you to not run out of gas

[quick steeple]

gawd damn... Xeron the col exceeds expectations on a mobile buiild lol

[umbral scaffold]

[serene sage]

it's called humble bragging

[devout imp]

Right, Col V is about the only gun you can run w/o ammo aura

[tranquil bronze]

I'm glad this game does not put a huge importance into item level

[serene sage]

okay here me out

just listen

[bitter turtle]

Wdym

[quick steeple]

wasnt even running mobile aura that time

[bitter turtle]

Most lasguns don't need it

[serene sage]

Plasma amd Bolter can run Fire Team

[bitter turtle]

V7 doesn't need it either

[tiny summit]

I can. Bolter mag dumping is far more exciting along with the regret afterwards

[serene sage]

post fullburst clarity

[umbral scaffold]

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

[devout imp]

pffrt I love how the second I posted that I got 4 reply pings

[serene sage]

you takling about the hair? cause the hair is gone bro

[crisp bronze]

Just got this Power Sword as my heresy Emperors Gift? Is this good? Might scrap for BM 3.

[tiny summit]

Gonna turn into like one of them haunted videogame rumors

[devout imp]

jericandrowned

Stealth builds for me are tainted by loner zealots and "medic" vets that raise people in the middle of hordes or fire

[serene sage]

It's okay, good for malice

[civic knot]

For when making a build for a bolter, do you want to run deadshot to hit breakpoints? (i dont really see the reason otherwise). It kind of requires you run duck and dive as well...

[devout imp]

at this point I take it personally

[bitter turtle]

I res people in fire on purpose

To kill them

So I can call them an idiot

Amd frag harder on the scoreboard

[devout imp]

Commissar this one right there

Back to VT2, elf main

[serene sage]

Least toxic veteran main

[civic knot]

[serene sage]

It's okay cause I would do the same if I can

[umbral scaffold]

THE SLIDING MAULERS MADE ME LOOSE ALL MY HAIR

[devout imp]

silence, grim dropper

[bitter turtle]

If I have more kills than you I'm objectively right no matter what

[civic knot]

[serene sage]

I drop the grim to bots by quitting

[devout imp]

I once had a sliding mauler overhead me as I jumped over a railing in stealth, he still hit me

[serene sage]

So teammates can't ask it to burn

[serene sage]

Fight me

I would kill more

[bitter turtle]

👊

[serene sage]

You ain't shit

[bitter turtle]

I killed more with bayonet remember

[serene sage]

I outfrag plasmas with a bolter

[devout imp]

if you don't have 650k overkill damage don'T talk to me

[bitter turtle]

But I do

[serene sage]

Nah you got outdamaged by a recon 6d

I member

~~just kd i did get out fragged by a melee helbore ~~

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/152fb3a03c1bd4a2276e2e78a23c326d.png

[serene sage]

Fuck

[devout imp]

[serene sage]

Dude came with a receipt

[bitter turtle]

800k overkill actually

[crisp bronze]

Revolver Marksman's Focus build dealing 2000 overkill Damage every shot for the meme:

[bitter turtle]

I had to look up the old post when we played lol

[serene sage]

Wait i had highest score

[civic knot]

wtf is all this overkill dmg?? hahah

[devout imp]

was that with a revo?

[bitter turtle]

That's still the only time I ever played with other ppl here

[bitter turtle]

Bayonet only

[crisp bronze]

Marksman Revolver is the definition of "no kill like overkill"

[bitter turtle]

This is what happens when you have a melee weapon that oneshots mutants

[devout imp]

all the disablers were mutie train then

[bitter turtle]

And u use on pox hordes

[civic knot]

Question: for boltgun, do you want to run deadshot for one already using surgical? is the +25% crit chance and sway reduction worth it?

[serene sage]

Did you have limbsplitter at the time?

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

[serene sage]

You don't need it

[bitter turtle]

So it wouldn't be as dumb anymore

Lol

[serene sage]

It's nice but you don't need it

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

It's still strong without it

[civic knot]

You do want to run duck and dive with it tho, no?

[devout imp]

And here I was eluding to the Ogrynheimer memes with Rumbler and 3x Blitz spam

[serene sage]

I run my Bolter raw

No 🦆 no 🥽

[bitter turtle]

Lol

[serene sage]

No reload

[tiny summit]

Gonna try MF bolter when I can play

[serene sage]

I just need damage and Determined

I can even sneak a grenade package into the build

It's lit

[bitter turtle]

I don't think bolter has enough bullets to run you out of stamina

Lol

[civic knot]

redirect fire skill for focus target might do the trick to help hit breakpoints... hmm

[serene sage]

Yes but no, the wait time on recoil will kill your stam

[bitter turtle]

Just magdump

Jk

[serene sage]

If you use the unADS trick to reset faster then you lose Surgical value😔

Truly a nuanced weapon

High skill

[bitter turtle]

Who needs accuracy

Just keep clicking

[serene sage]

People who are good at it must be very handsome

Which I am

[devout imp]

god I love seeing a vet mag dump 8 rounds into a bulwark shield

it's like you can HEAR the synapses colliding

[serene sage]

Shield is bugged sometimes though

[tiny summit]

Always mag dumping. Never think about the post mag dump clarity

[serene sage]

But one bullet should break shield

[civic knot]

I feel like ADS bolter is significantly worse without deadshot...

[devout imp]

if you never stop magdumping you will never have to deal with the aftermath

[civic knot]

recoil is the problem...

[bitter turtle]

Ignore recoil

Let faith guide your bullet

[serene sage]

If you like it then take it. Don't have to run 🦆 if you have +3 stam curios

[vivid bolt]

tbh @serene sage fucked shit up with an ADS bolter so

[serene sage]

Oh shit hi

[tiny summit]

Remember to always edge your mag dumping so you have tactical reload speed bonus

[serene sage]

I am also very handsome

My Mom said so

[bitter turtle]

I saw some tech today on reddit f

[devout imp]

edging is bis for bolter

[bitter turtle]

For bolter

To skip the slow draw

[civic knot]

Huh? does stamina reduce recoil or something?

[bitter turtle]

It looked actually useful

[serene sage]

No it extends duration

[civic knot]

of deadshot?

[devout imp]

with deadshot it gives you more duration

[bitter turtle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18ymggy/everyone_can_quickdraw_the_bolter/

[serene sage]

Yeah I saw that, honestly will try to incorporate that

Looks good

[bitter turtle]

Yeah it looks actually useful

[wanton dawn]

Hi. Am off to work

[wanton dawn]

Yes but am playing dorktide no tokken 6

[bitter turtle]

Gotta say thanks to craime

Ou shit he's here

[serene sage]

The fuck

[bitter turtle]

Thanks for the tips redditor

[serene sage]

Who works

[torn root]

knife is the only way i know of drawing the bolter fast

has been for a while

[wanton dawn]

Thanks, i did not contribute but i like praise

[serene sage]

Well apparently reload sprint tech is here

[civic knot]

very nice tip indeed

[vivid bolt]

me sitting here on winter break being a literal stay-at-home girlfriend doing nothing but darktide

[serene sage]

It's still slow but faster

[devout imp]

I love that I can recognize they bound their jump to alt because they jumped at the start of the recording

good ol alt f10 shadowplay

[serene sage]

Simple, be my girlfriend instead, we work 7 days a week so we can retire at 36

Kapeach?

[wanton dawn]

Work gives me time to rest my pinkie between play session

[serene sage]

Who do you use your pinkie to play my brother?

[wanton dawn]

"Who ?"

[serene sage]

Why

[wanton dawn]

Cuz i dont have a 6th finger

[serene sage]

What happened to the other 4, smartie pants

[wanton dawn]

They grab the phone

Fancy grab

[vivid bolt]

No. Standards.

jokes

[civic knot]

Does the crit change from deadshot stop applying after u run out of stamina?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

Phrasing confused me

[serene sage]

No stamina = no benefits

Lmao

[wanton dawn]

Man..

[torn root]

how you run out of stamina on vet?

actaully can we talk about duck and dive?

[floral sun]

by using deadshot

[torn root]

why does it give stamina just for getting shot at

like even when im standing still

[torn root]

I use deadshot with columnus

[serene sage]

Deadshot? The very thing we are talking about?

[torn root]

stam not an issue

[torn root]

it was a joke XD

mostly

[floral sun]

last i checked jokes were supposed to be funny

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-yikes-awkward-jennifer-lawrence-gif-9504720997818108080

[torn root]

some ppl have garbage humor 🙂

but its just an opinion i guess

[serene sage]

It's the adrenaline rush

Shrimple as

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-17172302651595453543

[serene sage]

Go to work

[torn root]

I guess, it is nice casually walking into a line of fire and getting from 0-100%

[quick steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-not-my-supervisor-youre-not-my-boss-gif-12971403

[civic knot]

Is confirmed kill still a must for running bolter with shout?

[wanton dawn]

I am

[wanton dawn]

Still best bet imo

[tiny summit]

I mean...it's just nice to have. Which of the 1st line of talents are gonna be best bet for bolter?

[civic knot]

+30% reload speed

[umbral scaffold]

[tiny summit]

I mean yea you can go for that too, if you really value that reload. I just usually accept the bolter downtime

[umbral scaffold]

: o

[torn root]

the 30% is a good chunk off the reload

still takes 10 years

[civic knot]

I cant decide if running kraks with bolter is overkill. I kinda think it isnt cause do i really need shredders if I have a good melee weapon and shout?

[torn root]

simple answer

yes

[quick steeple]

shredders are your space-maker

[umbral scaffold]

popping 3 shredders on a crusher pack

[serene sage]

Shredder > Krak for Bolter in 80% of cases

[wanton dawn]

Krak is better againt BoN and... BoN

[torn root]

bolter will kill crusher packs and bulwark huddels anyway

[wanton dawn]

Krak is better against bon

[civic knot]

This is what I got, then

[torn root]

you don't need the krak

[serene sage]

Tinkered Shredder > Tinkered Krak for 95% of cases

Source: dude trust me

[civic knot]

huh?

sounds kinda heretical but aight

[serene sage]

Waiting for the day Krak has half the girth of my shredder

[bitter turtle]

Ask yourself honestly

[civic knot]

yeah i did

[bitter turtle]

Do u actually in fact

[civic knot]

bolter is enough hahah

[barren cave]

why would you take tinkered krak? doesnt krak oneshot crushers without it? so its only useful for bosses

[bitter turtle]

M1 out of every problem in melee

In auric mael

If not

[civic knot]

really? didnt know that

[ivory rock]

Should I hop on n grab this?

[bitter turtle]

Then there is y our answer for shredder

[barren cave]

try it, pretty sure krak without tinkerer still oneshots crushers

[bitter turtle]

It's a significant increase in dmg for bosses

But yes

[serene sage]

It still does

[bitter turtle]

It already oneshots crushers

No tinker

[serene sage]

I'm just trying to make a fair comparison

[torn root]

I like the really confident hipfire shots that hit nothing

makes you look like such a man!

[bitter turtle]

You only take tinker krak if your build is awful against monsters

[serene sage]

It's suppression you fool

Trust me it works

~~it doesn't ~~

[floral sun]

consider something a build like this. agile engagement is underrated on any build. and the additional modifiers to the keystone highly complement the ability

[torn root]

I know

[civic knot]

running deadshot without duck and dive? instant heresy

[torn root]

its just looks so wonky to me lmao, we need bolter to blow up everything under the crosshair

why isnt it allowed to after being so painfully slow 😦

[serene sage]

Agile on Bolt is not worth it

[floral sun]

25% on the melee weapon not worth it?

[serene sage]

No

10% melee above sure

But 25% melee for 5s with a condition that's hard to fulfill with the Bolter specifically is not

With any other guns sure go nuts

Just not the bolt

[floral sun]

comment about duck and dive is fair but idk i cant see a build where agile engagement isnt useful

[civic knot]

only bolter, cause its incredibly slow

50% of the time its active youre gonna spend switching to the bolter itself

[serene sage]

For the record, Bolter swap to firing one shot is 2.66 seconds (assuming no insta swap)

I recorded and timed it

[civic knot]

💀

[serene sage]

2.66s deadtime on 5s buff
Assuming you fire one shot for 25% melee

After 5s melee you spend another 2.66s deadtime

Yeah I say not worth

[floral sun]

lol not gonna argue this but 25% damage boost is pretty obviously a good choice

[serene sage]

I would take it over nothing

Obviously

But you are paying something for it

[civic knot]

not when its available for 2.5 seconds

with bolter

[serene sage]

Just take the plasma if you like agile

Though new tech today

For faster bolt swap

[tiny summit]

Everyone agrees the talent is good. Not on a weapon that takes over half of that buff time to swap to

[serene sage]

So maybe? I still doubt it but maybe?

[quick steeple]

its not

[floral sun]

obv missing the point that 25% on the melee weapon isn't insignificant

[serene sage]

obv missing the point that you need to swap regardless to get said buff

it's not unconditional, you need to consistently swap on a weapon that hates swapping

[civic knot]

yeah and imo this seals the deal

[tiny summit]

And depending on pathing, unless you're already on the right side, how many points are you spending for that?

[serene sage]

Tbf 10% melee "filler" is nuts

I would just stop there though

[bitter turtle]

Possibly

In a build

For a weapon with the absolute worst swapping in the game

Just my guess though

[strange sparrow]

The issue with agile is 5second isn’t it

And +25% of damage which is great but then again I don’t see when I would use them (?)

[floral sun]

you sure? you dont seem very sure

[bitter turtle]

I'm not sure

[strange sparrow]

Hellbore Agile Engagement are neat but also like do I really need this 25% damage

[bitter turtle]

I know nothing

[strange sparrow]

If I’m going left tree also

[bitter turtle]

I take agile on helbore just cause it's easy to pop a random pox while stabbing

[strange sparrow]

Because agile is kinda far normally

[bitter turtle]

But I build around the bayonet rather than the gun

Unironically play it as a spear with a gun attached

[strange sparrow]

A lot of people build around the bayonet which is right side already which

Agile make sense

But if you’re building Left side and “larp” as a sniper

Agile require you to build unconventional and spend 3 point

For 25% damage

[serene sage]

Melee doesn't need surv

[bitter turtle]

I think its still accessible but if you shoot a lot you might just stop at 10 percent melee

It's not wrong to go fire team or close in kill for hb imo

The gun literally has 0 ammo issue

And b4 you say team

Fuck the team

[strange sparrow]

I’m taking Survialist because I would always take survivalist

• I shoot into hordes

[terse idol]

You'll still likely make ammo back using shock troop if you're using helbore

[bitter turtle]

So you can go fire team

[serene sage]

Ironic cause Fire Team has the word Team in it

[bitter turtle]

Pick up 10 percent melee

[serene sage]

Check mate atheist

[strange sparrow]

Nah I ran into ammo problem yesterday in Mael with Fire Team Shock Troop

[bitter turtle]

15 percent bayo dmg right there

[terse idol]

I realized if you run infantry Las or helbore you don't need survivalist

[civic knot]

bolter? not sure i agree

[serene sage]

You're a team player

[strange sparrow]

Because I just never use melee

[bitter turtle]

Helbote

[serene sage]

Helbore

[civic knot]

ah sry hahah

[bitter turtle]

That's right

Genuflect

[serene sage]

Can I ask y'all a favor?

[terse idol]

That sounds like a you problem 🥹

[bitter turtle]

In apology

[strange sparrow]

Shrug

[terse idol]

Darktide devs hit the mixed shooting melee gameplay

[strange sparrow]

If the gun already have bayonet for cqb

And cleave for hordes

[terse idol]

Don't need surv den

[serene sage]

learning new words today

[strange sparrow]

Normally you wouldn't have problem with HellBore Ammo problem because people tend to swap into melee when wave get dense

Well I shoot them in the face instead

[serene sage]

Helbore more like helsnore

[bitter turtle]

Gottem

[strange sparrow]

Also, Do people feel like Exec Stances muffle out the sound of hordes and stuff?

I literally cannot hear over Exec Stances intensive "Focus" Music

[floral sun]

ive turned all game volume off after the release of the visual indicator mod

[hybrid token]

[umbral scaffold]

id like to thank fatshark for making me jump in fucking place instead of dodging backwards resulting in getting grabbed by a chaos spawn and losing the penance

very cool

[hybrid token]

skill issue

[umbral scaffold]

i cant do shit if i press spcace while holding s and my char just fucking jumps

[hybrid token]

did you have enough dodges

[umbral scaffold]

ii bearly moved it was a low intens malice

[hybrid token]

then bind jump and dodge to different keys

[cunning holly]

Remap the keys for jump and dodge

I got dodge on space and alt for jumping

[umbral scaffold]

[strange sparrow]

Rebind the key

Spacebar for dodge and jump is dumb

[cunning holly]

Probably if you only play vet and ogryn

[strange sparrow]

I play Zealot Psyker and Veteran

[umbral scaffold]

its not the first time that happens. i also somehow begin to levitate in hi5stg's and just become a cripple moving at a snails pace

[strange sparrow]

each have 100 match + ald

I don't see ever Jump being useful as a lot of map doesn't allow you to Vault over stuff

[umbral scaffold]

ye i hate it when i spam dodge and i just fucking jum- oh im dead 😄

[cunning holly]

Lol. That is wrong on so many levels... let me check

First, its fun and can get you places.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eRn3lfSmDQg

[strange sparrow]

You could check, a lot of map doesn’t allow you to vault over in terms of railing

[cunning holly]

They fucking fixed/broken my spot though

[strange sparrow]

Especially newer map rn

[cunning holly]

I have been running DT almost daily since the day it launched, I know so many places that ALLOW you to get away that I always use jump

[strange sparrow]

Vault Over

[cunning holly]

So if you dont use jump...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/e72VSD-TIs8

[strange sparrow]

not jumping that you get up until a height

[cunning holly]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FVJp5A1ml2Q

[strange sparrow]

you could abuse some map that enemy can't hit you anyways

[cunning holly]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/U10ngahgQpU

[umbral scaffold]

holdon bruh

we get it

[cunning holly]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_ByYxSkPJQY

Do I really need to continue?

[umbral scaffold]

NO

gawddmn

[strange sparrow]

I mean most of your clips still doesn't explain Vaulting over

but okay

[umbral scaffold]

wym u need to explain?

[strange sparrow]

If I see everything it should be able to vault over

[umbral scaffold]

just spam spacebar

lol

[strange sparrow]

you find specific spot that you could do that

which uh ok

For Example, Archivum Sycorax Map have specific spot that you can't vault over the railing

because reason

so is Excise Vault Spireside-13

[cunning holly]

Yeah, lets map dodge and jump to one key and then be able to vault over everything... How many times you tried to vault into space?

[strange sparrow]

I mean If I stuck in some spot and I really want to vault over second floor to first floor

to kite hordes

but I can't because god know why

[cunning holly]

Because this part of game design is not strongest in DT, if that is a specific thing you are talking about.

[strange sparrow]

Look, you explaining that you could exploit certain spot in the map doesn't mean the game have provided a good jumping mechanics for people to use without the knowledge of exploiting certani spot

[cunning holly]

I don't think the devs are too keen on calculating where you gonna land, so they are just making most things untouchable.

[strange sparrow]

and there isn't a lot of things that could touch you once you exploit those spot

[late glen]

got power cycler for the power sword.. what other blessing should i run with it?

[strange sparrow]

Carnival Finale is one of them

and really, I don't use much jump as I bind my jump key to scroll wheel down

[manic summit]

I know I have already said that I hate Hadron, but I believe it bears repeating

[strange sparrow]

Brutal Momentum is horde clearing, Sunder is for Rager Counter

[cunning holly]

Jumping mechanics in DT is not very useful if you are trying to jump AWAY from a hit, Heck, even slide doesnt save you from that. That is a valid point.
Relocating and getting over stuff, including rails, barrels, boxes, AND getting to certain spots that can easily be found if you played CS surfs, which I assume most did, can actually be easily don with jump

[late glen]

i should have added this to the original question (my bad) but my only options besides power cycler are slaughterer or rampage

[cunning holly]

I don't remember playing a game or a map where I do not use jumps at all. Saying jumps are dumb is def not jumping mechanic issue

[strange sparrow]

I probably play roughly 200+ games without jump because I forgot that I remove the bind

and not binding the jump separately

[umbral scaffold]

[strange sparrow]

Especially Vaulting is the most important aspect in my book to relocate as hordes can't vault

but the Developer didn't implement it to everything so it's a hit or miss

[strange sparrow]

I would take Rampage for now

[cunning holly]

You know what I find funny here. "hordes cant vault" Are we talking about the same game? They literally jump from any height if needed, jump up any height if needed to get after you.

[untold mulch]

Me seeing the 1+ ton crusher jump a story up

[strange sparrow]

If there's railing, they can't

I found that out on Archivum Sycorax

Because they took the stair instead of going over the railing

[cunning holly]

yeah, they simply vanish through it by rolling

[strange sparrow]

But there is also dead spot on Archivum Sycorax which you can't vault over

so it's a mix bag

You could test it out in the final room where you need to do scan to make the scripture

[stable socket]

don't quote me on this, but i think the way the AI pathfinding works is they always try to run to you if they can; if they can't, then they will jump or climb

one example is the holdout spot next to medicae station on that map where you have to disable two skyfire defences near a train

[strange sparrow]

The thing is AI can't climb from what I know because you could bug spot

[stable socket]

there's a little raised platform that you can juggle a boss up and down by vaulting

AI definitely can climb, i've seen it before

crushers/ragers often climb ledges to get to me

[strange sparrow]

They could climb if dev design those spot

[stable socket]

yeah

[strange sparrow]

but they can't climb exploited spot

The Carnival Finale, You could jump on the Yellow box -> Jump Crouch into the exploit spot that no one could hit
Power Matrix HL-17-36 also have it

It stop AI from hitting you

[hollow turtle]

I think the one thing I don't like about the scion helmet is how deep the voice is altered.

[frank ether]

vault mechanics and verticality in general for DT are kinda half baked

not saying this to complain but to say its a potential area they could improve the franchise in future games

Also sometimes I'll try to jump over a gap and my character will just spaz out and grab a ledge, interrupting the jump

[frank ether]

oh, is it in the shop yet

[hollow turtle]

No.

Lol I wish though. I want the backpack

[strange sparrow]

Yeah, I hope they make Vault Mechanics better tbh

[frank ether]

any recordings to see what the filter is like?

[strange sparrow]

But it's asking too much tbh

No one would care about better vault mechanics

[hollow turtle]

It's the equivalent of the voice filter on I think the zealot or the psyker

Super deep

[frank ether]

doubt it will change a lot for DT given this games issues that need fixing and not to mention they need to pump content to keep casual playerbase interested

but maybe for a DT2

[hollow turtle]

Let me see if I can get a recording of enemy callouts.

[strange sparrow]

DT2 probably not gonna happen because Cosmetic Boom in DT

[frank ether]

I'd appreciate it

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

scabs ^

[strange sparrow]

The guy is 3 ft on top

I cant do shit about it

[frank ether]

For DT do you know what I would love to see?

more stuff like the twins hm fight

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/elbow-drop-wrestling-wwe-gif-9430921

POXBURSTER

OFF THE TOP ROPE

[strange sparrow]

PoxBurster can't explode onto you

they forgor

[frank ether]

that makes the community obsess over defeating it and make strats and team comps

oh yea that spot is safe

[strange sparrow]

it's so stupidly strong

[frank ether]

I abuse it with helbore the other day

kinda silly

but that objective is uh

generally easy

I have yet to have any teams wipe there

[vernal harbor]

yeahhh cadian players don’t really go for those spots

[frank ether]

wide ass area lots of room to kite melee around anyways

I actually like

camping upper area

so I can shoot specials

before they can jump

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-steam-steam-sad-gif-9524752141311518885

[frank ether]

or while they recover from a jump

[strange sparrow]

Me upon playing too much that I know these exploits spot

[frank ether]

its a sign that its time to touch grass

😔

[hollow turtle]

@frank ether My character's voice is the male professional for reference

[frank ether]

oh thats cool

this makes me wonder

why isnt there a cosmetic slot for voice filters

and its tied to the helmets

like if I want the helmet but not the voice filter or vice versa

[cunning holly]

I think they added an option for that somwhere

[hollow turtle]

Turn it off and it'll be default voices no matter what mask you wear.

[frank ether]

is this a clientside toggle or does it affect your voice for others?

[cunning holly]

For others too

At least I think so, considering I have seen voicechange masks but not heard the voice...

[frank ether]

hmm

good that they thought of it

but still would be more sensible to have this choice tied to the cosmetic loadout page

just nitpicking at this point

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

I hate FS and Aquila Store

Every Skin cost half the game for me

[hollow turtle]

Hmm. Never tested, but I'd assume it would turn it off for everyone on clientside.

Everyone else will probably still hear you like normal according to what their personal setting is.

[vernal harbor]

aye

[frank ether]

easy

dont buy anything

let whales fund the game

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/death-korps-gif-27301605

I need the drip

Veteran Krieg Drip surreal

[chrome thistle]

Meanwhile me wanting to support fs for the mostly banger updates since 13 but all the vet skins are meh

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/van-darkholme-gachi-gachimuchi-fuck-you-ghistiannotfunny22no-gif-18383308

[gaunt delta]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-you-keep-using-that-word-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means-gif-9201569

“Need”

[frank ether]

I can hear this at this point

[vernal harbor]

fatshark needs me to get that scion helm

they’re gonna prefer me to have that

[untold mulch]

Helmet good

but where is the chestplate

[strange sparrow]

Statistic stated that without krieg drip, your Hellbore does 50% less damage

[nova fossil]

when does the commodore's ventures get new items?

[chilly cobalt]

THE IGNORANT ARE BLESSED WITH COURAGE

[vernal harbor]

1 week from now

[gaunt delta]

Seeing as how my winrate doesn’t change, I guess I’m just 50% better with Hellebores than any other gun

[vernal harbor]

(my winrate is 100% btw)

[nova fossil]

awesome thanks

praying for krieg veteran🙏

[vernal harbor]

pray for cadia 😦

[strange sparrow]

Where?

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/djimon-hounsou-screaming-blood-diamond-scream-yell-gif-8512139

[spark helm]

You could just tough it put on Salvo. It does feel better on the 12 but without other blessings it can be serviceable.

Most you can do is wait for more dmg per single fire vs mutants and the like.

That being said, definitely swap your perks. I'd say grab maniac and maybe like

Eh
...either flak for safety or maybe even specialist

Idk what your dmg is like

[bright ocean]

I'd love to see some Arbite skins. That would be badass.

[cunning holly]

I want FF and a bolt pistol so that I can properly cosplay a commissar…

[low yacht]

Krieg are cowards known to run from battles and kill regular guardsmen.

[muted knot]

What

[untold mulch]

Whot

[odd sparrow]

bait i assume

[muted knot]

Gotta be

[low yacht]

It's true they kill commisars and run from battles. And, no it's not bait.

I don't say things to bait people I am not that egotistical.

[celest ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[muted knot]

Are you talking about the siege of vraks ?

[untold mulch]

Pretty sure, the only time it has been recorded

the comissar was being stupid

[low yacht]

I mean Valhallans have better commisars. At least one I remember is a badass.

[untold mulch]

Like, not afraid to spend the lives

But you don't waste the Emperor currency

[low yacht]

He wasn't a coward he lured tyranids into a killing field.

I forget his name.

He was trying to run for his life but instead got a massive victory.

[untold mulch]

Cain?

[low yacht]

I mean he wasn't a coward he was just.

[untold mulch]

Ciaphas Cain, Hero of the Imperium

There is a half and half "reader take a stance" if he was really a coward

or just imposter syndrome to the maxx

I believe the 2nd

[strange sparrow]

Is he really a coward if he’s really successful and lucky

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

[untold mulch]

I mean is the intent behind

Results do their thing

[low yacht]

I mean running from Tyranids is logical

Just saying.

[untold mulch]

Overall, even Amberley notes state that if he was truly a coward, some of his choices make no sense, unless he is in denial

[low yacht]

Imposter Syndrome

[untold mulch]

Yep

[strange sparrow]

The thing is result of performing outsrandingly overwhelm any intent behind it

And Astra militarium are really result centric

[low yacht]

I mean being scared is only natural, but results say a lot.

It's part of being human.

[untold mulch]

I mean bravery is being scared and doing it anyways

foolishness is not being scared of what you should be

[muted knot]

You claim it's not bait but you just come in here to generalize a beloved regiment as cowards, if you aren't baiting you're just an idiot (no offense)

[untold mulch]

All the offense

[low yacht]

Fear keeps you alive.

[untold mulch]

[low yacht]

I mean it was only one battle out of the other stories.

Maybe poor writing.

Because it made them look like cowards.

[untold mulch]

Taking a single case of several

is very much fair to say the Writer was just dumb

[low yacht]

You can be ignorant and not dumb.

It's only normal.

[misty quest]

Backflipping terminators.happened once

[cunning holly]

Part of being human in the Imperium is to die for the Emperor. Everything else is just the way that He chooses for you to die. To try and apply any other logic is heresy.

[low yacht]

Not really.

They rationalize suffering and probably send you to hospice care when you are dying and tell you your suffering gets you closer to the God Emperor.

[muted knot]

True even if it means working in the administorum

Wasting away at a desk for eternity

[low yacht]

The safest but most boring job.

Safety what I hate osha I want to live in a dangerous hive city that has quakes, and falls apart and crushes people beneath the weight of unsafe structure integrity.

[cunning holly]

I think most time they waste away in the line to get to the job

[cunning holly]

That is 99.99999…% of the imperium, so no worries there

[low yacht]

Hive cities aren't just crowded they're poorly built.

So they just fall apart and crush thousands of people sometimes.

[strange sparrow]

Hive cities isn’t poorly built though

They just doesn’t care about underhive lifes

[muted knot]

I don't think that's necessarily true because we have so many worlds which don't get the spotlight cause nothing's going on at them, especially feudal and agriworlds

[strange sparrow]

Agri world suck

A slave in the agri world literally mean you’re gonna suffer

[untold mulch]

Yeah, like novels aren't written about Bob the farmer on his weekly routine

[strange sparrow]

Feudal world is alright

[cunning holly]

Considering that an agriworld is basically one layer of a hive city…
In all honesty, very debatable. If someone wants to run math they are welcome, but I honestly don’t think that the end result would differ too much.

[strange sparrow]

Agriworld generally doesn’t have hive city as far as I aware

[cunning holly]

Don’t think they do.

[strange sparrow]

Because it was explicit stated “lower population density”

[cunning holly]

Which means that percentagewise you get significantly more people in hives than agriworld. That’s what I meant.

[strange sparrow]

Hive city is just a city on a planet thou

For example vraks have multiple hive city

[cunning holly]

Um, lol no… it’s a layered structure that goes kilometers into the atmosphere. Not the global coverage

[vocal cipher]

i mean i'd read about bob the farmer getting whisked off into the madness of 40k.

some dipshit inquisitor: "Greetings imperial citizen"
Dirtboi: "whatthefuckwhatthefuckwhatthefuckwhatthefuckwhatthefuckwhatthefuckwhatthefuckwhatthefuck"

[untold mulch]

Yeah, but then thats no longer a "normal life in X" story ain't it?

[cunning holly]

Though most planets do be global covered by one or couple of hive-cities, that is just logical and efficient to do. ESP when you fucked up a lot of the planet and it’s not liveable there :LD

[untold mulch]

Now is "It was a normal life until kark this"

[strange sparrow]

I doubt most world are just one hive city

That’s because most story tend to portrait main hive city as battleground too

[vocal cipher]

i think that depends on the size of the hive, i dunno though

[strange sparrow]

Look at it this way

Terra is a hive world

It have many terran hive city

Despite the size of imperium palace

But “Many” doesn’t matter when the “Main” battle happen in books

And often or not, those details of smaller hive city is avoided to prevent confusion

[livid warren]

I want a Caliban Mission

[lime gyro]

is it me or did heresy and damnation become a little bit more challenging

havent played for few days been on hell let loose grind

[night talon]

probably just you. No updates to the game during the christmas holidays, afaik

and the game always feels a little tougher when I come back after a break

[strange sparrow]

You probably got hit by Modifier

HISTG whatever

[muted knot]

Ah yes that would make so much sense

[livid warren]

@muted knot sarcasm, fun

[thick rose]

nah for certain

dam is spawning some wild shit atm

like 15 rager packs and 2 packs of 4 maulers and stuff

normal dam that is

[rain badger]

Is this the new or old chain axe? and is it good?

[spice wadi]

old but both were significantly improved

or no

hmm

squints rly hard

the new one has strikedown heavies

are you a weapon customisation mod guy

[strange sparrow]

I dont think AI director have enough credit to do so

except you hit the build up + forced event

[umbral scaffold]

That's the new one I think

Horde clear lights
Strikedown heavies

[spice wadi]

the shape of the thing threw me off

yeah

[umbral scaffold]

Very good

Lot simpler than the older chain axe

[spice wadi]

the vanilla new one has a larger saw guard with the aquila on it

[umbral scaffold]

The only downside to it is that I think you technically have worse mauler/crusher clears by a bit?

[strange sparrow]

I believe they didn't change much of AI Director from VT2 where they kinda copy and paste the credit system technically

[umbral scaffold]

Since you need to go for heavies+ rev to wipe them

But by comparison you basically never get hit during hordes with momentum

[spice wadi]

god i was doing that anyway with the old one

[umbral scaffold]

Yeh kek
But now it's simpler

Pattern is super duper easy

[spice wadi]

the push attack on the new one also does hella damage for what looks like a simple boop

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah the thrust push attacks do hella damage

It's like the new psword

The stab is a destroyer of heretics

[strange sparrow]

ambient enemies randomness (Scale with difficulty)
Patrol Sometime happen (Map Dependent in DT)
Terror Event (Scripted) still exist on certain map variant (Guarantee Boss Spawn -Vigil & Consignment Yard [Always Chaos Ogryn I believe] )
Specials and hordes require build up (Timers orientated, also further modified by Pacing Control and Rush Intervention)

[spice wadi]

the finesse damage is a lil bit stupid imo

watching a boss' hp if I land both mk6 push stab and strikedown light into the weakspot

[strange sparrow]

Everything are credit oritentated and it can't wild out except you're speed running (Especially if you have Knife Zealot)

[spice wadi]

p funny to be able to joust muties with it

[strange sparrow]

It's the pretty much the same system in VT2 which you could read up here : https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/c79roi/vt2_intervention_systems_other_relevant_systems/

Also why when you step out of Elevator (Safe Zone), AI Director start wilding out (He build up enough credit to throw shit at you)

[lime gyro]

yea its just me 😂

[lofty lintel]

once the muscle memory kicks back in its easy again

[lofty lintel]

i love hunting grounds as vet

one dog pack and i get all my ammo back

[bright ocean]

I don't mind knife zealots as long as they work with the group. Last week I've ran into a few that just took off all the way ahead to an elevator or whatever that stops them from progressing. Director dumps massive amounts of shit on the rest of us while they sit and go invisible on cool down.

[gray finch]

cant upgrade my lvl 1 shovel day ruined

[strange sparrow]

The bad thing about Knife Zealot is, it would trigger "Intervention System" just by running too much progress in

[spice wadi]

[cunning holly]

You get 2 types of knife zealots:

1. Runaround dumbasses that do nothing but agro more stuff than needed
2. Actually pious servants of the Emperor who are dedicated to murdering heretics and keeping the other servants of the Emperor alive and killing

[strange sparrow]

Lower Difficulty, which if your team isn't competent enough = death sentences

which is kinda game ruining

[bright ocean]

Icing on the cake was them asking us to hurry up. This was after 2 monstrosities, 3 shock troop patrols, 4-5 horde swarms in.
Tried to vote kick the dumb ass but someone would vote no.

[rain badger]

Yes I am, is it worth buying though for slaughterer?

[rain badger]

based columnus infantry user

[umbral scaffold]

It's definitely got the capability to be a good slaughterer weapon

[strange sparrow]

The other problem is, Zealot don't get punished for causing all these havocs to AI director

because they have Loner Aura

[umbral scaffold]

Fantastic horde clear

[strange sparrow]

AI director don't spawn special to punish them because AI director think it's okay as he's having a buddy as fast as him

AI Director Spawn Special closest to "Least Coherency guy"

Loner start with 2 instead of 1

[spice wadi]

honestly the one you can buy is usable

change the perks and away you go till you eventually find a godrolled one with thrust 4

[bright ocean]

The knife zealot mentioned that it spawns disablers on him more than us, but I don't think that's legit. We still had lots of trappers and muties to deal with.

[rain badger]

Ive never used a chain weapon outside of meatgrinder lmao

[strange sparrow]

Nah

[spice wadi]

its p brainless with the new chaxe

[strange sparrow]

Loner aura fuck with AI Director, he don't get that much disabler

[spice wadi]

if you are fighting lil guys you just throw lights

[bright ocean]

That's what I thought.

[spice wadi]

Anything bigger swing thrust heavies at it

And the push attack can one shot dogs afaik

[umbral scaffold]

It's super easy and brainless

[cunning holly]

Is taht a tested fact or just a conjecture?

[spice wadi]

I've experienced 'one shotting' muties with the push attack but it might have been shot by someone I didnt see

[strange sparrow]

Tested Fact as the director always go for the lowest coherency guy in game

[spice wadi]

I havent really used the revs much outside of the occasional rager or boss

I usually just turn bulk packs of ragers into strawberry aerosol with the plasma gun

[cunning holly]

Tested by who and where? Cause while I am not a runner ahead zealot, me and my friend are easily the ones who run around the most to gather stuff, and oftentimes I see stuff spawning on me instead of my friend. I have loner, he doesnt

DO I miss something, or is that just cause I pay more attention to myself, obv

[strange sparrow]

Assuming it like this

[lofty lintel]

i mean it makes sense that the ai goes for lowest coherency

[strange sparrow]

If you have 2 Coherency and 2 Coherency, Special have 50% rate to be spawned onto you or them

but if they're too far apart to not get 2 coherency, 2 - 1 - 1 because you are too far from your friend and they're also too far apart

You wouldn't be targetted in this scenario

[cunning holly]

Logical, I agree to that. Then again, not what I experienced

That is why I asked if someone tested

[strange sparrow]

It's pretty much used in Speed Runner as it's 2 months old due to talent changes, Need to do some digging

[cunning holly]

Like specifically, or if ther is some doc that just goes: hey, we got it all sorted out like this

[spice wadi]

the guy I'd ask isnt awake yet

[cunning holly]

Cause, in all honesty, I dont give a krak, can handle stuff 80% of the times np, but it would be interesting to somehow incorporate that knowledge into our runs

[thick rose]

what do?

[strange sparrow]

I could probably find something from VT2 instead because there's more detailed breakdown on AI director

and how they work

[crude ermine]

I'd Put on thrust and change block efficiency

[strange sparrow]

DT is still too new to find meaningful excel sheet in general