Would be to make IAGs headshot-focused and recons crit-focused
#veteran-class
umbral scaffold
midnight steeple
Hi fellow veterans. Is there a way for plasma gun to consistently 1 shot body shot Dreg Gunners?
If yes, please share your blessings, perks and key talents which helped you overcome that breakpoint.
Dreg Gunners have 1400 hp
strange sparrow
He done a good job in describing the math of Rending
umbral scaffold
As in making IAGs deal more headshot damage than crit damage, and vice versa on recons
terse idol
no I don't believe there's a break point ATM to one shot body shot dredge gunners
umbral scaffold
It basically works in a way that it brings your damage closer to unarmored damage until 100% rending. 100% rending on carapace for instance makes you do damage as if it was unarmored.
Rending above 100% gives small damage that is pretty much negligible.
umbral scaffold
And then kinda bring both to the same overall DPS
Just different methods and builds to achieve it
vernal slate
strange sparrow
I think MK3 Hellbore and Focus Target hit that
terse idol
With +elite talent, +30% weak point damage, and +25% unarmoured
strange sparrow
But I’m too lazy
terse idol
As far as I know
midnight steeple
One shot them
For headshot, then you'd need +25% to unarmored, correct?
terse idol
There isn't a body shot BP for dredge gunners
terse idol
For headshot, then you'd need +25% to unarmored, correct?
yeah
Without longshot
Or focus fire
bitter turtle
As in making IAGs deal more headshot damage than crit damage, and vice versa on ...
Idk that sounds weird
In practice then recon is just iag but easier if both do same dps
strange sparrow
Recon LasGun would never be good because it’s gimmick of Laser inverse drop off
bitter turtle
But in reality carapace takes a lot more from crit
terse idol
Recon can be good
frank ether
recon has virtually no recoil or spread
vernal slate
Anyone else notice that plasma gun headshots are inconsistent?
midnight steeple
With the +30 Weakpoint, + Elite damage talent, and unarmoured
That's what's confusing me. I see a lot of plasma gun posts recently talking about 1 shotting dreg gunners I am really interested lol!
vernal slate
Maybe just on crushers
terse idol
That's what's confusing me. I see a lot of plasma gun posts recently talking abo...
I've talked to folks about trying to get it with just 10% elites on the pgun
But I don't have an 80-80 damage stopping power pgun
So I can't test it reliably
I'll also preface I test without longshot
spice gate
So Helbore are snipers, recon are basically machine guns. Would that make infantry basically a basic rifle?
umbral scaffold
The main problem with recon lasguns is the ammo economy, it's dogshit since survivalist gives you less bang than on an autogun.
Like yea, they have a larger ammo pool but so does an autogun like columnus, so you get 8 shots back on columnus but on a recon 8 ammo only returns 4 shots since it 2 ammo per shot.
bitter turtle
Maniac dmg is also a big recon problem
terse idol
I believe pgun bp on dredge gunners is most reliable without added effort on your part
shadow aurora
So Helbore are snipers, recon are basically machine guns. Would that make infant...
In practice yes
terse idol
Excluding longshot imo, but longshot could help you meet the BP when dredge gunners are far away
shadow aurora
Helbore arent snipers though they're more like a m1 garand
bitter turtle
Give recon bayonet
I want my gunsword
Fixes both ammo efficiency and maniac dmg
It's perfect
cunning holly
In a lab, absolutely correct. NOW, that is an extreme oversimplified model for the actual situ. First, what are you trading off to get that 100% damage? Second, for how long are you able to dish out that damage before the inevitable interruption? Third, what is your backup plan?
Its so fun to see damage theoreticals, when the actual situ is - you get 40 maulers with 150 little bastards with a CS, BN, and DH lying in the middle where you cant go, all in an enclosed space, for moving on means x2 the previous maulers and little bastarsd, etc.
For simpler understanding, in an MMO setting, for DDs to calculate that "breakpoint" a similar model assumes that there is a PARTY that buffs/debuffs/heals and tanks for the DD sto be able to do their job. One can trust their party in an MMO to do their part of the job. Here in DT? LOLs NO
midnight steeple
I've talked to folks about trying to get it with just 10% elites on the pgun
Approx 1100 dmg to body (flak), another 10% elite damage is still short by 200 dmg
spice gate
Helbore arent snipers though they're more like a m1 garand
Aaah! Makes sense!
Ya know I’d love a lasgun that reloads like a Garand
terse idol
Approx 1100 dmg to body (flak), another 10% elite damage is still short by 200 d...
Juust do headshots
shadow aurora
A las clip would probably be to hot to touch
terse idol
I haven't seen any discussion about getting a 1 shot bp on a dredge gunner with just a body shot
shadow aurora
Lol
spice gate
A las clip would probably be to hot to touch
Oh definitely!
I wonder which lasgun would be best for me.
terse idol
As in
40-100 damage off
The headshot BP
On a pgun
No discussion so far as the goal to getting a 1 bodyshot
vernal slate
Thats why you line up 2 and kill in two shots, one shot per kill 
cunning holly
which begs the question what even triggered you to try that out? Sounds like a torture any way you look. But at damnation at least you could BRAG and in all honesty that would be impressive. Masochistic, but impressive. I would actually even go with you to do that.
umbral scaffold
If Recon Lasguns used 1 ammo per shot instead of 2 then they could compete with the Columnus Autogun since their damage profile is similiar but the Columnus basically has double their ammo pool.
bitter turtle
That's why u don't understand why
He plays bolter and we were talking about the gun b4 I decided to try it
midnight steeple
No discussion so far as the goal to getting a 1 bodyshot
Perhaps with executioner's stance, or
Voice of command + close quarters killzone / competitive urge / longshot
shadow aurora
If Recon Lasguns used 1 ammo per shot instead of 2 then they could compete with ...
Doubling ammo pool would be a bit much
But I wouldn't be opposed to it
cunning holly
VId uses one. Problem is, last patch when you crited on recguns, they had next 4 shots crit (if I remember well). Now its 2 for all recguns. Vid was wild back then, now its still the best out of the recguns, but much trashier than it was...
spice gate
It’s good there’s a skill that makes lasgun crits not consume ammo. That should help a bit
shadow aurora
Overbuff it then nerf it slightly so its just good
frank ether
who will tell em
terse idol
Perhaps with executioner's stance, or
Voice of command + close quarters killzon...
Oh no for sure
shadow aurora
It’s good there’s a skill that makes lasgun crits not consume ammo. That should ...
Uh
bitter turtle
I'm pretty sure recon would still be worse than current iag
frank ether
they nerfed shock trooper on recons
shadow aurora
Recon happens to not work with shock trooper
bitter turtle
Even if they didn't touch it
frank ether
it doesnt work on crit strings
terse idol
Perhaps with executioner's stance, or
Voice of command + close quarters killzon...
My goal personally is getting the one shot headshot without any added effort
With any extra added damage
You'll make it
bitter turtle
U still have the awful maniac dmg
terse idol
But I don't want to rely on anything more but passives
bitter turtle
Even when it was competitive
terse idol
Then leave everything else I do to react to things
Maybe I'm just stubborn
Because I know even if you have like 1 stack of focus target
You'll meet the BP
But I'm in the boat that, you need to hit the BP with no added effort
umbral scaffold
Doubling ammo pool would be a bit much
It would let you use it more liberally while on the Columnus you can pretty much shoot everything if you have survivalist aura because it's the most economical autogun with one of the highest close-mid range DPS-es.
Recons are supposed to be the infantry autoguns of lasguns so them having similiar ammo capacity would be fine I think even with Shocktrooper because you have to invest a talent point and a blessing to make it proc reliably.
terse idol
It's not 5%
woven coral
should I change flak to maniac?
terse idol
It's roughly 10 or 15
frank ether
they're talking about fireteam
shadow aurora
Pretty sure its 5
frank ether
its %5
bitter turtle
Lol
terse idol
Thought we were talking about something else
bitter turtle
If only fire team was 15
bitter turtle
And close in kill is 15 percent movespeed to compensate
shadow aurora
An aura better them surv no way
bitter turtle
:^)
frank ether
yea I would take 10
terse idol
marsh owl
psyker on the other side literally dead with 5% for only elite damage
bitter turtle
Fire team is actually better than them
terse idol
I'm using fire team on 5 because my rashad BP is crushing my balls into a fine paste
shadow aurora
5 is meh as fuck gimme 7
frank ether
I think fireteam is ok aswell
serene sage
Fire team is actually better than them
it is. but this server thinks it's trash for whatever reason
umbral scaffold
You don't hear psykers complain about their 5% only elite damage aura
bitter turtle
it is. but this server thinks it's trash for whatever reason
Cause they compare it to survivalist
Which is broken as fuck
umbral scaffold
Meanwhile vets piss and shit themselves over 5% damage aura
serene sage
yeah but it's okay to be broken
bitter turtle
And needs to be reworked
terse idol
it is. but this server thinks it's trash for whatever reason
Because 5% barely makes up any BP's
serene sage
serene sage
Because 5% barely makes up any BP's
it does though
shadow aurora
Surv is not broken pls buff
serene sage
psyker can use it
terse idol
frank ether
putting damage on an aura is just not the best idea to begin with
serene sage
gungryn can use it
serene sage
every guns that is not bp dependent aka autoguns can use it
terse idol
That's my problem
bitter turtle
It's generically good on autoguns
shadow aurora
then it has to have team value
Doesnt it give damage to your mates
bitter turtle
Not every gun is BP based
frank ether
Doesnt it give damage to your mates
they don't build around missing %5 damage to kill things
sharp ember
You don't hear psykers complain about their 5% only elite damage aura
sad when it was originally like 10%, a solid difference
terse idol
they don't build around missing %5 damage to kill things
Unless it's me
I'm in ball crush zone
frank ether
quite the opposite people do ANYTHING they can to avoid being in that boat
where they barely miss breakpoint
shadow aurora
they don't build around missing %5 damage to kill things
You dont build around survivalist unless youre dumb
bitter turtle
You dont build around survivalist unless youre dumb
Yes you do wtf
So many guns rely on surv rn lol
On vet
shadow aurora
If you cant survive without a ammo vet then scrap your build
frank ether
there are so many guns in this game kept in check by ammo
ogryns become the best ranged class in the game with survival vet present
umbral scaffold
Only time you don't take survivalist anyways is if you are running a selfish build that can't afford the points for it
terse idol
🥹
shadow aurora
I play glugger you just need to know when not to waste ammunition
quick steeple
If you cant survive without a ammo vet then scrap your build
*learn to melee
sharp ember
they don't build around missing %5 damage to kill things
I used to have a gun I unironically depended on psyker aura to get 1 shot breakpoints on damage roll issue
terse idol
Well yeah
But people want to shoot bunches
I don't blame em
In the horde pve shooting game
frank ether
I used to have a gun I unironically depended on psyker aura to get 1 shot breakp...
''oh no psyker dmg aura time to quit lobby''
terse idol
You build a gun build
serene sage
i run surv because i don't trust my teammates to share
serene sage
and i need ammo for clutching
strange sparrow
I run Surv because it's the easiest Aura in Talent tree
frank ether
I don't see how the git gud comments change anything I said about fireteam lmao
the aura talk is always ppl high on copium
shadow aurora
I run surv so i can be reckless and not be punished for it
terse idol
well yeah
serene sage
alright chat
terse idol
It's fun to shoot
shadow aurora
Ok
bitter turtle
You'll never see a worse take
frank ether
''u don't need survivalist anyways'' well ye I don't do you know what I also don't need? Any other aura lmao
bitter turtle
Than
strange sparrow
The alternative is also Surv Aura give Veteran ability to Shoot consistently
bitter turtle
Coherency > dmg in importance on scoreboard
strange sparrow
Because without it, you run into constant ammo problem
frank ether
your team doesn't need it
strange sparrow
FireTeam does give value but abysmal
bitter turtle
I will hug my teammates and never attack to be the optimal redditor
shadow aurora
your team doesn't need it
YOUR TEAM DOESNT NEED SURV
strange sparrow
Too little to be useful
terse idol
Columnus might kill a pox walker 1 bullet less
frank ether
they do need it more so than fireteam
terse idol
But we're live in a world
terse idol
Where we can't even get MOBILITY
slate sleet
terse idol
WE GET MOVEMENT SPEED
neat stratus
YOUR TEAM DOESNT NEED SURV
Youre the only person that matters, anyone else can die
strange sparrow
What Zealot gonna do, shooting his revolver
frank ether
bruh this is like
bitter turtle
Fire team gives about as much value as the auras on other classes
serene sage
Coherency > dmg in importance on scoreboard
this. Reddit loves shoving their heads up each other ass for sake of coherency
frank ether
elementary grade math
bitter turtle
It's one of the better ones
bitter turtle
So either everything needs to be buffed to be surv tier
bitter turtle
Or nerf surv
shadow aurora
Just because they need it more does NOT mean they dont need fire team. What if you already have a surv vet. Surv vet is inf ammo you dont need two
frank ether
I make build to kill things in X amount of shots, your %5 damage doesn't help me in any perceivable way
gleaming turtle
The only things that matter on the scoreboard are: Did you win? And how much Plasteel did you personally pick up?
Nothing else matters.
serene sage
ah i didnt have to scroll far
wanton dawn
Btw, am pretty sure this discussion already happened like... 8 hours ago ?
strange sparrow
The only things that matter on the scoreboard are: Did you win? And how much Pla...
Plasteel do be important
slate sleet
The only things that matter on the scoreboard are: Did you win? And how much Pla...
the biggest truth bomb to ever drop
shadow aurora
I make build to kill things in X amount of shots, your %5 damage doesn't help me...
High fire rate low damage weapons benefit from fire team
strange sparrow
ah i didnt have to scroll far
It's kinda useless on "single shot weapon imo"
wanton dawn
I though i was hallucinating at first
serene sage
It's kinda useless on "single shot weapon imo"
wdym?
frank ether
High fire rate low damage weapons benefit from fire team
oh yes if you're mindnumblingly stupid enough to shoot 150 rounds of your braced auto into a crusher without any rending
serene sage
it's another way of hitting BPs for single shot weapons
shadow aurora
oh yes if you're mindnumblingly stupid enough to shoot 150 rounds of your braced...
Bosses
frank ether
in which case you'd still need survivalist more
again
bosses
survivalist matters more
you're magdumping a boss
guess what you need
FUCKING AMMO
tiny summit
ah i didnt have to scroll far
slate sleet
ah i didnt have to scroll far
are YOU a bad enough dude to take suboptimal shit to auric damnation? 
serene sage
Find trouble stacking consistently
idk about you, I stand still, I shoot one headshot and bam 8 stacks
just a little more and bam 10 stacks
tiny summit
Making me want to post my Exe MF helbore games
strange sparrow
Also the other issue is, it only buff headshot damage
terse idol
If you know how to play exec stance
frank ether
Ever magdumped ciag on a boss its like what 200-300 ammo if a BoN is facing you
strange sparrow
and reload speed
terse idol
Yes
frank ether
yeah real fucking useful that %5 damage
serene sage
are YOU a bad enough dude to take suboptimal shit to auric damnation? <:EEEEERPL...
for some guns it's optimal to take marksman focus imo
shadow aurora
Just because survivalist matters does not mean fire team doesnt matter too. Oh why are you running headhunter run revolver it doesn't benefit you
terse idol
Marksmens focus is to focus on hitting things you'll already be hitting while in Exec stance
It's really good
serene sage
it's just that people are so used to Plasma Revolver being strong without talents
shadow aurora
It doesn't make sense
wanton dawn
yeah real fucking useful that %5 damage
I use it to reach bp on my melee build
terse idol
Because you can get 10 stacks on like 4 guys
serene sage
and anything that can't one tap out of the box is "bad"
bitter turtle
yeah real fucking useful that %5 damage
I mean do u think everything needs to be surv level tho
tiny summit
I just dislike 2 nodes and some numbers. 1% reload per stack is a joke. 10% rending at only 10+ stacks is a joke. 15 stacks is a joke vs free stacks
terse idol
It's good
bitter turtle
Fire team is on par with other class auras
frank ether
I use it to reach bp on my melee build <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
thats the topic, I was making the point its a selfish aura and irrelevant for teammates
bitter turtle
Surv is just ridiculously out of line
strange sparrow
I just dislike 2 nodes and some numbers. 1% reload per stack is a joke. 10% rend...
Yea 10% rending is dumb
shadow aurora
I find it to be relevant
bitter turtle
If teammates have auto weapons it's something
terse idol
Fire team is on par with other class auras
I just think like
frank ether
I use it to hit BPs on like 2 builds
marsh owl
I dont think any other class thinks about how useful an aura is for the team when picking it. its only a vet thing
terse idol
There are better class aura's
bitter turtle
Ppl still take redirect fire and focus target and shit
bitter turtle
By that reasoning it's pointless too
serene sage
I would trade survivalist for 7.5% rending team aura
terse idol
Ogryn heavy attack aura
wanton dawn
thats the topic, I was making the point its a selfish aura and irrelevant for te...
As most aura are. I dont take surv for my mates either
frank ether
As most aura are. I dont take surv for my mates either
same but they benefit a lot from it
bitter turtle
Ya because it's stupidly overpowered
shadow aurora
They do from fire team too rodent
serene sage
Ogryn heavy attack aura
no way you are comparing the heavy att aura to fire team
frank ether
zealot/ogryn players harass me over not taking survivalist lmao
wanton dawn
same but they benefit a lot from it
If i could steal their ammo i would
terse idol
bitter turtle
Do we really want every aura to be survivalist tier lol
frank ether
If i could steal their ammo i would <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
thats based
strange sparrow
Focus Target are easier as it is "Flat 8% per stack" damage over Marksman Focus "Bonus Finesse Headshot Damage"
serene sage
I know it's a meme
terse idol
Is probably one of the worst
bitter turtle
No
serene sage
but I do feel the 5% ms difference
terse idol
Auras in the game
bitter turtle
Ms is good wtf
terse idol
You think?
shadow aurora
Ms?
terse idol
I don't feel it
bitter turtle
Yes
serene sage
if you take the filler node, that's 10%
bitter turtle
U can literally
frank ether
%5ms can be useful
strange sparrow
+5% Movement Speed is funny
serene sage
that's marked difference
spark helm
I can feel it just because I play so much of movement speed into my builds.
frank ether
since shit runs at a fixed speed
terse idol
that's craaazy
shadow aurora
Ms is negligible
serene sage
again, it's horrid compared to surv
frank ether
on some weapons %5 extra speed might just be what you need to outrun a horde
serene sage
but so is every other auras
marsh owl
Focus target is bad cause it helps your teammates do damage and I cant have that for my scoreboard. /s
tiny summit
The only auras I feel are survivalist and cleanse. Everything else is background "OK I guess I have some buffs"
frank ether
the problem with speed aura is well.. its on the way to smoke grenades
serene sage
Focus target is bad cause it helps your teammates do damage and I cant have that...
you see my friend, the trick is tag just before you shoot
strange sparrow
I can feel it just because I play so much of movement speed into my builds.
Movement Speed is important for us to "Farm Plasteel"
serene sage
so no stinly teammates can KS
bitter turtle
Ms aura is doubly cursed with tree position ya
strange sparrow
I only take knife to farm Plasteel
terse idol
Focus target is bad cause it helps your teammates do damage and I cant have that...
Focus target is only for yourself because you'll top leaderboards with it anyways
frank ether
I have a suspicion you'd see more ppl run speed aura if smokes were not present
bitter turtle
But it's not bad
terse idol
wanton dawn
Ms aura is bad cuz knife zealot still run away too far and cant benefit from it
terse idol
I have a suspicion you'd see more ppl run speed aura if smokes were not present
I would run smoke aura if fuckin
spark helm
The movement speed is really nice when you combine it with other higher mobility weapon setups. That amount of movement speed is really good in situations where you're actually going to have the room to move around a lot to set up better shots, get in close for melee safely during a pincer, etc.
frank ether
I dont think thats enough to elevate smoke to being useful
strange sparrow
It doesn't matter because Sniper is really really not that threatening imo
terse idol
okay maybe y'all getting me on this
shadow aurora
If you bother accounting for knife zealot dont. Just count your forth teammate as absent
terse idol
MS aura ride
spark helm
But if you're just straight up not trying to make use of that kind of thing, then you're just never going to use it.
strange sparrow
after you learn the game, Sniper just useless against you
spark helm
MS aura is great for people willing to actually fuck with it.
terse idol
It's just so hard to know
spark helm
otherwise, don't bother.
terse idol
after you learn the game, Sniper just useless against you
uhh ohkay
bitter turtle
MS aura ride
You understand how strong ms can be if u play zealot lol
terse idol
I mean sometimes I can't even see OR hear the sniper before it blasts me
bitter turtle
10 percent is good when you take both
terse idol
You understand how strong ms can be if u play zealot lol
Oh I know
With a knife
NYOOM
And stab some gunners
bitter turtle
Not even with knife
terse idol
Run back to team
wanton dawn
If you bother accounting for knife zealot dont. Just count your forth teammate a...
Why ? Knife zealot are still ppl and i want them in my coherency 
frank ether
they could make smokes bamboozle ALL of the ranged mobs in the game and it would still be inferior to psyker bubble lmao
thats how fucking bad it is
strange sparrow
I mean sometimes I can't even see OR hear the sniper before it blasts me
Download the mod that give visual audio que instead
frank ether
the fact that it doesnt even stop gunners or snipers is just the way game is telling you you are a moron for using it
shadow aurora
Why ? Knife zealot are still ppl and i want them in my coherency <:hmmgryn:10221...
They dont want to be in your coherency its poison to them
terse idol
because I'm lazy
spark helm
Most people aren't going to fuck with the utility that smoke gives since you're just always goingto be confronted with the fact you never blew up someone with a krak or shred lmao.
strange sparrow
Skill Issue
terse idol
That ain't no skill issue!
I have to actually HEAR
The snipers
That I can't see
And dodge on instinct
bitter turtle
Smokes are good for my suicide plasma build
strange sparrow
Also Sniper gun is extra heavy so
spark helm
Smoke makes you hella dependent on your weapon and positioning and well.
bitter turtle
So I can get close to the enemies and blow myself up with overload
wanton dawn
They dont want to be in your coherency its poison to them
Thats the point though, they dont get speed aura so whats the point of life 
bitter turtle
And deal damage
spark helm
Good luck when you got people clinging to survivalist lmao
terse idol
what the fuck does that mean
strange sparrow
what the fuck does that mean
They turn slow
terse idol
strange sparrow
If you ever notice
serene sage
does anyone here play Starcraft 2 and Darktide at the same time?
i am going somehwere with this I promise
strange sparrow
You can literally spam dodge and it wouldn't hit you
terse idol
I mean yeah that's how I abuse them by dodging into a corner and sloow peaking to line up a shot
wanton dawn
does anyone here play Starcraft 2 and Darktide at the same time?
Are you collecting dead game or smth ?
terse idol
does anyone here play Starcraft 2 and Darktide at the same time?
I mean my ADHD hasn't hit that hard
tiny summit
The vape nation vet build
shadow aurora
I play darktide on two different consoles to make up for bad teamates
terse idol
Yet
serene sage
Are you collecting dead game or smth ? <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
oh shush
strange sparrow
The vape nation vet build
VOC funny man
frank ether
bruh grenade talent smoke
bitter turtle
wanton dawn
I play darktide on two different consoles to make up for bad teamates
But you cannot deactivate cross-play if you do that
serene sage
https://youtu.be/bvTcePTUT_E?si=mdRHG7F7KJKLNHme
truly the work of either a genious or deranged mind
terse idol
you're reminding me of that drill post
bitter turtle
Deranged for sure
serene sage
30 points and a down to almost do what a krak nade does
tiny summit
bruh grenade talent smoke
Yea man. It's important to hotbox the hive on enhanced blitz maelstroms
bitter turtle
Half of a krak nade actually
serene sage
the administratum needs to learn from you
frank ether
this is everything wrong with vet chat
bitter turtle
Don't forget the dmg stim too
frank ether
I need to pour bleach into my eyeballs
wanton dawn
https://youtu.be/bvTcePTUT_E?si=mdRHG7F7KJKLNHme
Looks like a heretic ritual
junior grail
How come Bardins smoke didn't feel as bad?
terse idol
Yeah it's carcinogenic
shadow aurora
this is everything wrong with vet chat
What the plasma burster build? Or the fact that noone can seem to stay on one topic for longer then 30 seconds
terse idol
😌
serene sage
https://youtu.be/bvTcePTUT_E?si=mdRHG7F7KJKLNHme
you think the smoke is to cover your path to aloha snackbar the enemy
it's actually to conceal your teammates from seeing the shit you do
serene sage
after some deliberations, I think world hunger is a bad issue and should probably be elimited.
shadow aurora
after some deliberations, I think world hunger is a bad issue and should probabl...
Really?
wanton dawn
frank ether
after some deliberations, I think world hunger is a bad issue and should probabl...
no vet chat would collectively agree its a skill issue and they should have conserved their food better
tiny summit
For the extra 0 visibility
One game saw a vet with surv so I decided to swap from my exe build to one w/o surv. I forgot which was which because I chose the Infil w/smokes instead of VoC w/kraks. Throwing down smokes as a crusher party comes up and I'm like "oh...this isn't good."
wanton dawn
I need to get out of bed, shower, breakfeast and go to work 
serene sage
I need to get out of bed, shower, breakfeast and go to work <:Guarded:9722470351...
just quit
take a mental health day
sour prairie
stinky
tiny summit
take a mental health day
Practice safe mental health exercises. Like bringing your 80dmg 380s for Hadron to bless
wanton dawn
Sorry, heresy must be slain. In spreadsheet
shadow aurora
I want a chain bayonet for my lasgun
frank ether
chainknife
terse idol
yeah you just cut
strange sparrow
How would that even work
shadow aurora
Well thats a ripper from fallout new vegas
terse idol
In the grimmest darkest future, everything is a chain-adjacent weapon
shadow aurora
Now we just need to find out how to put chains on lasers...
terse idol
The gothic pizza cutter
shadow aurora
Ogryn could wield that
stable socket
dumb question: does the bolter have 1SBS breakpoints on gunners?
or is it like plasma where you need a headshot
serene sage
dumb question: does the bolter have 1SBS breakpoints on gunners?
you can get there but it should be a crit with enough distance
not that hard to do with surgical
but it is conditional
stable socket
ah i see, thanks
midnight steeple
With the +30 Weakpoint, + Elite damage talent, and unarmoured
Sorry to Necro this. Thinking about it, the optimal blessings and perks for PG would be
25% flak
10% elite
Gets Hot
Shattering Impact
30% Precision Strikes
Still 2 shots to kill both flamers, 4 shots to kill mutant
But can consistently 1sbs shotgunners, scab gunner, and 1shs dreg gunners
sour prairie
Need bloodbore pizza cutter
Chain axe
winter widget
Thoughts on this y'all?
terse idol
Sorry to Necro this. Thinking about it, the optimal blessings and perks for PG w...
SI?
hnm
What perks are ya using for the 1shot headshot on a dredge gunner?
midnight steeple
Yes I've been thinking about it a lot. Blaze away theoretically is good but in practice, it doesn't lower the ttk
And you immediately lose the buff if you change targets
So, shattering Impact, to help on monstrosities lol. In truth. All the blessings aren't so great
terse idol
hnn
midnight steeple
Even Gets Hot. Because PG crit is very weak
terse idol
But then Blaze it would help you more vs monstrocities
and Gets hot can help you with an interesting BP
let's seee
midnight steeple
What perks are ya using for the 1shot headshot on a dredge gunner?
+Flak (doesn't help)
+10% elite perk (on top of 10% elite talent)
30% precision strikes
midnight steeple
and Gets hot can help you with an interesting BP
Gets Hot for sure. Blaze Away is so good in theory, but the buff falls off almost immediately if not spam clicking M1
sour prairie
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046912126746374274/119202716928...
meta gun.....
terse idol
+Flak (doesn't help)
+10% elite perk (on top of 10% elite talent)
30% precision ...
hmm, do you have long shot?
terse idol
Gets Hot for sure. Blaze Away is so good in theory, but the buff falls off almos...
wait yeah but
junior needle
Thoughts on this y'all?
Stats are pretty poor. You want higher stability and stopping power. Scuffed perks, one good blessing even if it's not a higher tier.
The gun is very overtuned so you'll still outperform other weapons with it
umbral scaffold
He has seen some real shit
junior needle
But it's not good value for melkbux
terse idol
that's why blaze it and get's hot are the meta blessings
midnight steeple
hmm, do you have long shot?
Either needs long shot, competitive urge, or Marksman active
winter widget
But it's not good value for melkbux
What about this chain sword?
midnight steeple
You spam left click
Yes, and shattering Impact achieves faster TTK for crushers,
Same TTK for reapers and bulwarks
And buffs whole team
ocean viper
sad
terse idol
Either needs long shot, competitive urge, or Marksman active
yeah this is why I don't take +10 elites
because I value not running longshot
me stubborn dis way
midnight steeple
yeah this is why I don't take +10 elites
In return, we gain consistency in 1sbs shotgunners
terse idol
I must make the BP without any added effort
midnight steeple
because I value not running longshot
Me too. Well full stacks focus target achieves the same
ocean viper
what stats do you want on a headhunter autogun
tall torrent
What perks are ya using for the 1shot headshot on a dredge gunner?
Need 10% elite, 15% elite talent, and focus target (or have redirect fire buff active)
midnight steeple
I read somewhere that +flak is useless on PG but I can't agree.
I'm starting to see that +maniac on PG is only impactful for Mutants tho
junior needle
what stats do you want on a headhunter autogun
Damage/stopping power, ammo, not entirely scuffed stability.
midnight steeple
Need 10% elite, 15% elite talent, and focus target (or have redirect fire buff a...
10% melee?
tall torrent
10% melee?
Mb typo
tall torrent
Take to gold
terse idol
Need 10% elite, 15% elite talent, and focus target (or have redirect fire buff a...
*scream
junior needle
That's pretty decent. Not terribly sure about breakpoints on the HH's nowadays.
ocean viper
salvagable?
tall torrent
<a:sweatbold:673724800136511508>
Basically build left & middle at the bottom
junior needle
What about this chain sword?
Lookin pretty scuffy. Perks are scuffed, some people like taking bloodletter but if you value waveclear you're gonna want rampage/wrath for blessings.
Shredder only applies to the special attacks on chainswords
winter widget
Lookin pretty scuffy. Perks are scuffed, some people like taking bloodletter but...
This a decent one?
tall torrent
how should i craft this BEAUTY? what should i replace?
Shattering -> gets hot
Reload speed -> carapace/unyielding
That’s basically godroll
rapid hedge
what about replace both blessings with blaze away + gets hot?
midnight steeple
how should i craft this BEAUTY? what should i replace?
Based on my recent testing, change reload speed to +25% to flak
Change Glory Hunter to Gets Hot
tall torrent
what about replace both blessings with blaze away + gets hot?
Not needed, gloryhunter is good
You could but GH4 is fine
rapid hedge
my main thing is reaching breakpoints , specifically for ragers/maniac
rapid hedge
thats why im wondering gets hot or blaze away lol
rapid hedge
alrighty
rapid hedge
blaze away aint worth replacing GH for? 40% power lol
junior needle
This a decent one?
That's great except for the ammo dump, but you aren't losing that much. Only about 30~ boolets. 2/4 things you want. The low tier dumdum isn't even bad because it doesn't scale that well with levels anyway. Definitely worth nabbing.
tall torrent
blaze away aint worth replacing GH for? 40% power lol
It’s alright but
Getting that 10% reload speed off is better
Plasma wants perks more than blessings
And gloryhunter is good
rapid hedge
copy that. will most likely put 25% flak
tall torrent
Not sure if flak does anything, maybe a bit better mauler bodyshot
I think scab rager could 1 shot with crit?
midnight steeple
Gets Hot is mandatory
terse idol
I'm not convinced about SI
must seeeee
because folks have been blasting SI
For a whiile
sour prairie
tall torrent
I'm not convinced about SI
Shattering impact for plasma?
gaunt hinge
whats with that yucky penetration
tall torrent
It’s not good
terse idol
yeah
tall torrent
Brittleness/rending does insignificantly little for plasma because the armor multipliers are all pretty good
It’s at best a buff for ur teammates
tall torrent
But a lot of the times you just straight out kill whatever you’re shooting a plasma gun at
carmine bronze
paper brook
Which one do I use?
gaunt hinge
deep fried
paper brook
the screenshots? yes i know lol
paper brook
https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082
OK IT IS NOT THAT BAD LMAO
gaunt hinge
your screenshot servo skull has been chugging tainted stims
paper brook
lol yeah he's been trying some new stimulators lately. In-game it looks fine I just think it's hilarious how deep fried the screenshots look
The HDR looks fine ingame tho
wicked gate
The HDR looks fine ingame tho
https://tenor.com/view/little-big-planet-suprised-bruh-what-littlebigplanet-gif-18119100423231820417
paper brook
https://tenor.com/view/little-big-planet-suprised-bruh-what-littlebigplanet-gif-...
I swear
random tulip
https://tenor.com/view/cursed-bunny-cursed-bath-bunny-jumpscare-cursed-jumpscare...
just woke up and this me ong
wicked gate
just woke up and this me ong
random tulip
Amen brother Amen
serene sage
slender turtle
Loving the lasgun lg1. But oh my god the RoF makes me lose my finishing shot sometimes. (Not to sound competitive) I just need my exhilarating takedown
granite glen
any tips for hard mode? just switchhed from shattering impact/inspiring barrage bolter to shattering impact/gets hot plasma gun
fossil basalt
Try a Columnus MkV
neat stratus
The highest tier cosmetic challenge veteran has hurts me a lot
"Be completely useless to your team, and maybe I'll give you this piece of armor that's near identical to the others"
granite glen
Try a Columnus MkV
forreal? what ult?
ocean viper
whats the perks/blessings for a headhunter autogun again
neat stratus
I FOUND HIM
fossil basalt
forreal? what ult?
VoC, no res shout only the overshield
Plasma is too specifically elite-oriented and doesn't have enough DPS to shred through the melee twin's shield once you pop the ranged twin in my experiences
terse idol
VoC, no res shout only the overshield
Plasma is too specifically elite-oriented...
Doesn't only the Ranged twins shield have damage resistance on ranged?
Ideally you would just want to melee both
Shield at least
rapid hedge
is there a paid cosmetic for the plasma gun or yet to be released o_0?
sleek sphinx
I FOUND HIM
The OG
radiant adder
What is the best melee weapon for a veteran weapon specialist build? The new chainaxe p good for it?
Or Antax / Rashad?
strange sparrow
VoC, no res shout only the overshield
Plasma is too specifically elite-oriented...
Plasma is alright if you want to kill Elites/Crusher while maintains a good ammo
But veteran in Twins are really just support for ogryn grenade and ammo replenishment
So is Zealot Knife in HM twins
He’s there to step on landmine
frank ether
What is the best melee weapon for a veteran weapon specialist build? The new cha...
whatever you like using
its attack speed and dodge distance
so whatever you think needs some speed
is gonna work well with it
rapid hedge
Blaze away / Get Hot / Glory Hunter are all good blessings for plasma
lime iris
shame it's only 67% ammo, always look for high ammo, can dump thermal resistance for certain synergies
rapid hedge
perks = elite / unyielding / flak / carapace
lime iris
perks = elite / unyielding / flak / carapace
naw fam never go flak/carapace on plasma
low oar
I wouldn't say carapace is bad despite not hitting a breakpoint. Usually, people are teamshooting crushers
wet pendant
marsh owl
1/4 isnt too bad
wet pendant
is it bad?
lime iris
It's fine
wet pendant
what i should change on this to use it
raw steppe
perks
wet pendant
i have no blessing for plasma gun so perk i should change them but with what
hollow turtle
Relocating.
rapid hedge
uhh
rapid hedge
try and get blaze away if u can and replace volatile
wet pendant
i have a rank 3 blaze away
rapid hedge
ya thats the highest
raw steppe
blaze is not important
rapid hedge
blaze away only goes to tier 3
raw steppe
blessings aren't super important for plasma just so you know
but the perks hit BPs very hard
rapid hedge
i feel like volatile is a waste tho cause the charge rate is not too bad
wet pendant
i am voice of comand enjoyer with focus target
raw steppe
then you probably want maniac to hit flamer breakpoint
and unyielding to hit bulwark breakpoint
rapid hedge
xD it do be like that
wet pendant
but thank you guys for the help
rapid hedge
what region are u in? if u need help farming mats idm helpin u
gritty dock
Which one do I use?
Second 519 is good. Flak and Unarmoured is good for melee weapons. 👍
wet pendant
what region are u in? if u need help farming mats idm helpin u
italy
how do i cooldown my weapon?
rapid hedge
the special button
civic parrot
how important is stability on agri brauto?
wet pendant
this gun is soo good wtf
fathom rose
spec dmg -> flak;
between the eyes -> infernus
(for a deadshot spam crit build)
naive hatch
I know what I need to change but the gun is overall really good.
Gotta farm for new rolls
thick rose
considering there is no fucking way fatshark will give a skin that looks that cool
its gotta be a mod
loud glen
Pretty sure that's just Sam Fisher from Splinter Cell.
hollow turtle
Scab Sniper?
Mods. Very much mods.
rapid hedge
noice noice
let the hadron bless thee plasma gun i shall chant the chant of RNG UNGA BUNGA UNGA BUNGA FOR CADIA
lime iris
woeful ibex
Mods. Very much mods.
thanks
fathom rose
naive hatch
Relocating.
Sam?
placid portal
Man I am always glad when gunners or flamers shoot me while I'm getting mauled by the dog
raw crag
guys
why does it feel like I end the mission with more ammo on my XII than i began with?
untold mulch
Imo, shocktrooper to me only is really worth the point for Laspistols
I feel like (ignoring Recon existence like the devs) you have enough ammo that few pickups are needed
shrewd sierra
Man I am always glad when gunners or flamers shoot me while I'm getting mauled b...
I had a mutant knock a dog off of me so I could clutch and get my team up lol
placid portal
fathom rose
I had a mutant knock a dog off of me so I could clutch and get my team up lol
saw it happen to a zealot today
they got pinned by a hound and then a mutie passed by and knocked the hound off the zealot
strange sparrow
I want Hellbore to do more damage against poxburster
strange sparrow
Yea, just one shot on kill ability so you can take them out easier in far range
Instead of switch weapon and shove them
placid portal
Fair but I think I would prefer the 2 hit confirm to make sure I don't give my mates a Poxblast
Hit em with a bayonet to shove em
strange sparrow
I believe it’s 3 shots for my mk2
strange sparrow
Poxburster is a 1 tap to the head
Without taking account for any nodes and stuff
Charged Shot (100%)
80 - 80 with Maniacs and Flak IV
Usually I kill Pox with nodes in 3 shots
gusty bison
Without taking account for any nodes and stuff
1.4k should be in range for a crit headshot
strange sparrow
Also this is assuming you're 5 meter with pox walker (Not sure how inverse damage falloff gonna work here)
Too many assumption scenario, doesn't care
gusty bison
Yea usually you run longshot for the free 10% damage
And precision strikes
so should push it into the 1 tap range
strange sparrow
I mean there's 10% Free damage from Range Nodes
if you shoot poxburster 8 meter = 1% damage and so forth
Focus Target should give you a lot of flat damage
also Kill Zone if you're savvy
But I want base Mk2 Hellbore to kill it in 1 shot instead of all the buff stacking ontop
placid portal
tbh if you're 5ms within a pox burster you wouldn't want to shoot since that means a teammate might get fucked
strange sparrow
tbh if you're 5ms within a pox burster you wouldn't want to shoot since that mea...
Ok and?
strange sparrow
You're here to make me plasteel, I am not a team player
rapid hedge
what was the best perks for power sword again? Elites + ?
rapid hedge
ye i think i got an almost perfect roll , just cant remember what the other perk was lol
torpid sundial
man I got grabbed by a chaos spawn on a hill, someone threw a grenade to disrupt it, it dropped me below the hill's hitbox and I fell to my death
rapid hedge
xD rip
torpid sundial
honestly not bad, but it was hunting grounds so I could afford to spam fire quite a bit
rapid hedge
Kinda hoverin between these 2 , the 545 looks alot better since i'll probably not be a snail anymore
fathom rose
man I got grabbed by a chaos spawn on a hill, someone threw a grenade to disrupt...
warp karkery my beloved
torpid sundial
thankfully it wasnt round ending but bad chaos spawn >:(
frank ether
I wouldn't expect a flat recon buff
last time they did they
they really regretted it
but multiple times from multiple credible peeps I heard it may get reworked
fathom rose
noice
maiden pilot
it'd be cool if we could use plasma pistols... prolly wouldn't be balanced but y'know. 🚶
frank ether
fatshark giveth and fatshark taketh away
fathom rose
it'd be cool if we could use plasma pistols... prolly wouldn't be balanced but y...
I mean, plasma pistols are reeeeeally rare
frank ether
just keep the fast firerate
I'm like reasonably sure that won't ever change
you already have las weapons filling single fire or charge shot niches
torpid sundial
Love laz weaps
fiery thorn
what perk should I look for on powersword m3? I'm running plasma gun so the melee should be for horde so I guess unarmored damage?
maiden pilot
I mean, plasma pistols are reeeeeally rare
idk much about warhammer lore but that makes sense. it does seem like a weapon reserved for current and former badasses
torpid sundial
I like all of laz variants
fathom rose
lasweapons aren't my favourite, but the kantrael mg iv is nice
frank ether
recon I'm waiting till it gets a rework
quick steeple
unarmored is overkill, flakiak for horde coverage
frank ether
then I'll form an opinion
fiery thorn
also in the markman talent tree there's mention of weapon alt fire...what is that?
fathom rose
also in the markman talent tree there's mention of weapon alt fire...what is tha...
m2
quick steeple
also in the markman talent tree there's mention of weapon alt fire...what is tha...
Rclick
fathom rose
a.k.a aiming down sights, bracing the weapon and stuff like that
maiden pilot
I mean, plasma pistols are reeeeeally rare
can't lie, though. plasma pistol + power sword + commanding shout would make me feel like that one traitor captain boss. would absolutely love that lol
dense glade
traitor plasma skins when?
fathom rose
can't lie, though. plasma pistol + power sword + commanding shout would make me ...
yeah, but a plasma pistol is not what you would give a worthless expendable reject
quick steeple
thx - that sounds great on plasma?
no, you want to be using reg fire on plas
maiden pilot
yeah, but a plasma pistol is *not* what you would give a worthless expendable re...
you right 😭🙏
old fog
the more i play, the more i find this game easy
fiery thorn
unarmored is overkill, flakiak for horde coverage
flak dmg for perk 1, what about the second one?
quick steeple
flak dmg for perk 1, what about the second one?
fathom rose
the fact that we can get a regular plasma gun is a blessing from the god-emperor
quick steeple
highest tier of hot you have/ blaze only T3
maiden pilot
the fact that we can get a regular plasma gun is a blessing from the god-emperor
if they ever do add plasma pistol to the game, it'd prolly have to be unlockable through very specific means. like challenges/penants. as well as other special weapons for diff classes. stuff to "prove your worth"
quick steeple
flak dmg for perk 1, what about the second one?
can take carapace / unyielding with flak in perks too
fathom rose
if they ever do add plasma pistol to the game, it'd prolly have to be unlockable...
that's a much better idea than buying it from the regular shop
quick steeple
if they ever do add plasma pistol to the game, it'd prolly have to be unlockable...
make it a stim-slot random consumable; 1-3 shots and it blows up lol
fiery thorn
wait, sry, I was asking about power sword
quick steeple
wait, sry, I was asking about power sword
flakiak
fathom rose
maybe they can make it a melk exclusive or something?
fathom rose
wait, sry, I was asking about power sword
yeah, use flakiac
maiden pilot
that's a much better idea than buying it from the regular shop
paritally inspired by the 4th careers/dlc weapons in vermintide (except free lol)
fiery thorn
eli5 - why I want powersword to do increase dmg to maniacs? I mean if I'm running plasma rifle?
fathom rose
they sound cool though 🤔
absolutely
spice wadi
cos flak/maniacs cover about 90% of all threats in the game
umbral scaffold
so you can kill it without taking 4+ shots
and ye that too
stuff like flamers are maniacs
spice wadi
it also lets you joust muties
fiery thorn
ah fucksake - so the attribute on sword affects my shots as well?
fathom rose
ah fucksake - so the attribute on sword affects my shots as well?
nope
quick steeple
specials/ mutants / rager cleanup
spice wadi
think oni means so you can kill ragers without needing to swing at them 4 times
with a decently rolled Mk6 Psword you can kill a flesh rager with the push attack light combo
maiden pilot
absolutely
after looking it up... i think it'd also have to be unlockable 💀🙏 that thing is absolutely wild.
spice wadi
which is two attacks in less than a second
fathom rose
after looking it up... i think it'd also have to be unlockable 💀🙏 that thing i...
I mean, it's less rare than the plasma pistol
umbral scaffold
ye it's a really nice quality of life thing since you can just chunk/kill a lot of them inside your powercycle when they're in mobs
fathom rose
like, way less rare
quick steeple
with a decently rolled Mk6 Psword you can kill a flesh rager with the push attac...
can do the same to a crusher with a near-perfect roll + anim cancel
maiden pilot
I mean, it's less rare than the plasma pistol
wild
spice wadi
push attack combo too stupid
umbral scaffold
only time to shoot crushers is if they're doing a goon squad of like 9 of them
low number of crushers and maulers should just be poke to death
quick steeple
not with that pws 6 combo lol
spice wadi
sometimes even if there is a mob
fathom rose
after looking it up... i think it'd also have to be unlockable 💀🙏 that thing i...
I mean, the melta could have a low ammo reserve that you can chew through quickly if you're not careful
torpid sundial
Ive been using the chainaxe and with some vet buffs you can one shot crushers with the overhead ravage
quick steeple
its busted tbh
torpid sundial
Its pretty fun
spice wadi
its way too much ammo to spend on guys who attack like a dark souls 1 boss
Here it comes (in 3-5 working days)
quick steeple
Ive been using the chainaxe and with some vet buffs you can one shot crushers wi...
sounds fun may mess wiht tmw, new chaxe?
fiery thorn
so - if I run plasma it's still preferable to melee ragers
spice wadi
depends on bps
I tend to shoot rager waves
because the kill feed fills my rodent brain with dopamine
actual efficiency may be different
maiden pilot
I mean, the melta could have a low ammo reserve that you can chew through quickl...
meltaguns would be dope as hell now that i think about it. would it only be usable by vets tho?
torpid sundial
sounds fun may mess wiht tmw, new chaxe?
Perks and blessings not the best but yeah
spice wadi
the silver side to infested is that the push attack one-pops hounds
fathom rose
meltaguns would be dope as hell now that i think about it. would it only be usab...
maybe zealots too, cuz it fires promethium (and zealots love promethium)
spice wadi
consistently
maiden pilot
maybe zealots too, cuz it fires promethium (and zealots love promethium)
thoughtso
quick steeple
hell give it to the ogryn but it must come with new voicelines
pastel geode
Give ogryns the heavy autocannons
spice wadi
I want to see some bigger guns on vet but I'd also like to see crafting changes before a mass of new guns get made
fathom rose
thoughtso
"Meltaguns are the most common form of weapons, coveted by soldiers for their massive close-range destructive power. There are also few things as good at cutting through armor than a melta gun, and they are often pressed into service for breaching bulkheads. As an alternative to using a meltagun with attached canisters, you may instead have a backpack and feed the line, which doubles the clip size, adds 6kg to the weight, and increases the cost by 100 thrones." so yeah, it doesn't have to be unlockable
spice wadi
because every time it happens your odds get even shittier on getting decent rolls
quick steeple
because every time it happens your odds get even shittier on getting decent roll...
gamblers fallacy
teal abyss
"*Meltaguns are the most common form of weapons,* coveted by soldiers for their ...
Since when are Meltaguns the most common, I thought lasguns were cheap mass produced garbage for the Militarum wouldn’t they be much more common
frank ether
I want to see some bigger guns on vet but I'd also like to see crafting changes ...
either more heavy weaponry for veteran or a crafting update would be fantastic news rn
maiden pilot
"*Meltaguns are the most common form of weapons,* coveted by soldiers for their ...
based on how powerful it was i assumed it was also a weapon mainly used by high rankers n all that. that's nutty
pastel geode
Gimme the backpack and idk make it overheat?
fathom rose
Since when are Meltaguns the most common, I thought lasguns were cheap mass prod...
I dunno, blame the creators of this site: https://dark-heresy-rp.fandom.com/wiki/Meltagun
spice wadi
gamblers fallacy
it's the emperor's gift pool getting progressively bigger
spice wadi
so it doubles everything down on spend massive amounts of currency at brunt and hadron
frank ether
no you make a good point
strange sparrow
MeltaGun -> Tank Hunting
What are they're gonna do
Introduce a chaos ogryn armored as a normal enemy encounter?
frank ether
bigger weapon pool means you get even less chance at getting a useful blessing out of mission reward and I have already given up on getting a useful weapon out of t hat
spice wadi
altho just letting the emperor gift more than one thing
spice wadi
doesnt have to be the whole 'fill the bar' thing that was in vermintide
strange sparrow
it's so randomized that it's garbage
placid portal
Empra gift is simply either 8k bonus pay or free blessing gain
strange sparrow
Here's your 1% damage weapon
frank ether
altho just letting the emperor gift more than one thing
or they could just make it like vermintide where the mission end loot scales if you did the side objective
or how about this
placid portal
Usually 8k bonus pay
fathom rose
Empra gift is simply either 8k bonus pay or free blessing gain
yeah
spice wadi
pulling suggestions out of my ass make hi int award an extra gift, Hi int shock troop combo awards two extra gifts
frank ether
collecting grims/scriptures reward you with blessing unlocks at the mission end
strange sparrow
Also Vermintide 2 ask you to "Play the side quest which is harder gameplay"
frank ether
tier of which depends on difficulty
strange sparrow
while Darktide give you same reward for doing grimmoire
placid portal
Scriptures the only safe side obj
spice wadi
books rn are p much worthless
placid portal
strange sparrow
I mean there's docket bt eeee
strange sparrow
I like Vermintide Books because you know what you doing, and the risks associated with it
frank ether
either way its not your problem to solve
spice wadi
pubs got too weird about them
rapid hedge
Guys help me decide which is the better sword , i cant really tell that much of a difference other than a marginal increase in sprint speed lol. Which would ya'll use?
strange sparrow
it's inherently a challenge imo
strange sparrow
did vermintide start with red upgrades
Nope
torpid sundial
ahh
placid portal
And place them in obscure ass places nobody looks in
strange sparrow
They add it down the line somewhere
placid portal
torpid sundial
so they might add red for darktide