veteran-class

[vernal harbor]

but with a bolter id think youre fine without it

and again the 20% ogryn damage is kinda whatever because you have a bolter

https://tenor.com/view/bolter-time-bolter-space-marine-warhammer40k-40k-gif-27378445

[zealous depot]

the only reason I was thinking supp on bolter is because its so unwieldy without being suppresed

[tiny summit]

Just a minute?

[vernal harbor]

its got a fat ass hitbox tho unless im wrong

[zealous depot]

im trying to iron out the pain points on the bolter but im on perk unemployment

[obtuse raft]

Suppression immunity is a big deal in general imo. It's a night and day difference when counter firing gunners and shooters

I don't leave home without it

[vernal harbor]

yeah but for a bolter idk

i swear its tracer is fat af

like where a normal las round would miss easily a bolter round will just be sucked into their hitbox

[zealous depot]

if I could make one of those nice simple perk ui images I would

in lieu of that

take my word for it I do not have anything I can cut above this

except maybe longshot but

[vernal harbor]

+20% damage to "fuck-off" bolter round is gonna be less effective than supp immunity i guess

if you really want that immunity

[tiny summit]

Reject suppression immunity, embrace helbore

[vernal harbor]

focus tho

[zealous depot]

I like doubling up the rending

[vernal harbor]

i am an anti focus man so i got nothin

uhh

id say weakpoint

no suppression if you have to choose one of those

[tiny summit]

I like to feel like I'm helping with giving pennies of toughness

[zealous depot]

this started as me making a focus build for to make a focus build I li-

how did you do that!

[obtuse raft]

Yeah I've got no advice for focus tree, I've only ever used it for the upper part and never go for the keystone

[vernal harbor]

that aint pennies you giving lots of toughness

[zealous depot]

I only really like it with the middle tree rending stacked

I tried to go all ALL in on focus and it ehhhhhh

[vernal harbor]

PERSONALLY id say fuck focus

[umbral scaffold]

Well, well, the "deep" shit is typical far the Place on screen on this map

[zealous depot]

I tried it without the standing still stacking and fuck, never again

[vernal harbor]

if you really want those keystones then focus targetis pretty nice

[tiny summit]

As long as you aren't bad mouthing marksman focus!

[zealous depot]

I like playing turret dps sometimes

[vernal harbor]

i am

[obtuse raft]

I feel like the tag tree is essentially the same thing but without pigeonholing you into low mobility playstyle but I've not really given it a fair shake tbh

[zealous depot]

tagging is my helbore tree

[vernal harbor]

the tag tree jerks the whole coherency tho

[umbral scaffold]

How did you did screen like that?

[tiny summit]

I'm not feeling this "low mobility" playstyle. In reality majority of players are moving far more than they need to

[tiny summit]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[vernal harbor]

honestly tho mfs need to slow down

[zealous depot]

with focus its less I dont want to move and more like

my power goes up as I dont move

[vernal harbor]

someones killing you for saying that

[zealous depot]

between the freebies from standing still and the 3 stacks on headshots you can get in up really really fast and consistently

[vernal harbor]

IDK WHO

[tiny summit]

And as long as you're a gamer and clicking heads you get stacks and only lose 1 stack at a time moving

[obtuse raft]

If I let my APM drop too much I've got to put subway surfers gameplay on.

[umbral scaffold]

Gameslantern? Heh
Some good stuff in there

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies

[zealous depot]

it feels kinda like peril damage psyker to me

[obtuse raft]

Melee only classes in VT have ruined me

[white minnow]

i only really stand still when a boss rolls around

[zealous depot]

are you always at max buff? no, but its going up and down enough to work with

[white minnow]

focus stacks come quickly and decay slowly

[vernal harbor]

focus with the tougness and then keeping 10+ in full coherency whoooooooooooweeee them allies toughness regen through the ROOF

[zealous depot]

I dont need to move if I gun down every refugee trying to touch me

[vernal harbor]

refugee

[tiny summit]

Post knife zealot gameplay with subway surfers in the portrait and then display on the interrogator handheld

[white minnow]

you could micromanage but there's also no worry about dropping to like 7 and whatever

[vernal harbor]

grendyl hes deviating!

[tiny summit]

It's so nice when you are noticing those rager 1 taps with a mk2 helbore

[zealous depot]

if you have a knife zealot then they should make sure you always have at least 2 2 coherency

[zealous depot]

I love it with new revolver

[obtuse raft]

I'll have to give focus a fair shake if it's really that easy to keep up. I really enjoy the agri headhunter already

[fiery thorn]

anyone wanna help on overwatch suicide run

[tiny summit]

Haven't done the math but I think it works and I do well on dmg and survivability already. The aura radius bonus is more recent because I thought why not? Spread my toughness even farther

[zealous depot]

reject keystones

[tall torrent]

What build do u run to 1 tap ragers on mk2 helbore

[zealous depot]

embrace taking every grenade perk

make friends with 3 psykers

[obtuse raft]

Demo team and nade tinker are mandatory

[tiny summit]

#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

Not worth it, generally demo stockpile + demo team is enough

[zealous depot]

throw at minimum 16 frag grenades into a horde before calculating for twined blast

know bliss

[tall torrent]

Oh marksman focus ok

[white minnow]

i like taking all grenade talents for melee maelstrom with shredder nadees

[zealous depot]

you get it

[tall torrent]

I don’t think tag keystone can 1 tap ragers on mk2 helbore

It’s like 1800 smth on crit

[vernal harbor]

aura bonus because everyone runs away

[obtuse raft]

I wish twinned blast was on a cool down or conditional.
I don't really like stuff like that with lowish % rolls.

[zealous depot]

I just ask the team, can I have this ammo crate, the whole thing?

and then I grenade and grenade and grenade

shoot a bullet

and repeat

[white minnow]

most sane field improv user

[serene sage]

Peak efficiency

[tiny summit]

Drop your stockpile crate for the ogryn to keep grabbing frag bombs

[umbral scaffold]

Goddamn... is there a way to save it or you did just screen??

[zealous depot]

I kinda one to do a non keystone build that takes every toughness talent I can get with the toughness battery perk

[tiny summit]

Screenshot

[serene sage]

No

Screw em

They can get their own nades

[tiny summit]

But funny nuke

[zealous depot]

I just realized

I dont have a bolter on my vet

[vernal harbor]

<:I

[umbral scaffold]

got it

[zealous depot]

kinda spoils my test run

I know I had one at some point

[serene sage]

Is this a happy person with a uni eyebrow or an unimpressed person with a gnome cap?

[vernal harbor]

an unimpressed person with an arched unibrow

weve been talking about his bolter for like 30 minutes

[crude ermine]

Boi oi oing

[vernal harbor]

man didnt even have the bolter

[zealous depot]

180,000 dockets later

[vernal harbor]

sounds about average sadly

[zealous depot]

I had one at some point!

I think I perked it for the sake of my zealots bolter

[serene sage]

A perked up Bolter ready to burst it out imperial style

[vernal harbor]

you already know

[tiny summit]

Another to experience post mag dumping clarity

[zealous depot]

any more rending and this bolter is going to start having lube drip from the mag

[serene sage]

i dont understand what that means

but maybe i don't need to know

[fiery thorn]

anyone wanna help on overwatch suicide run

[tranquil bronze]

What are the perks for Catachan swords?

[tiny summit]

Arrest this Templar. He is doing...unholy things with the emperor's holy armaments

[zealous depot]

they slide right into armor

shlooop

[serene sage]

It's just a little lube

https://youtu.be/dMcffO6LNyc?si=m_vvzcPUA4zDyVJB

[fiery thorn]

LF1M help on overwatch suicide run

[radiant cargo]

Is there a rule of thumb on which of the 3 focus target buffs is worth dropping if I want to use the skill point someplace else?

I feel like the toughness one, just so I'

I'm still amping the team as much as I can.

[serene sage]

If just one talent point, either left or right
If 2, middle and right

[tranquil bronze]

Oh... this REAL nice

[zealous depot]

nothing says rnd to me like hi intesity hunting grounds

[raw crag]

i'm seeing more and more vets with recon lasguns in my games recently

[umbral scaffold]

On my way to gimp my own builds so I can help my team by playing worse

[raw crag]

is there something i missed?

[tranquil bronze]

Been seeing that too... I guess they like automatic fire

[torn root]

they might like how it feels

regardless of the damage

[zealous depot]

people stopped telling people they cant because omg they nerfed it so hard I can even kill a blah blah blah

[torn root]

i know i liked how it felt

then i saw the numbers

[tranquil bronze]

I think Recon is the closest they'll get to a hotshot

[zealous depot]

oh no I need to pick up 3 ammo boxes a mission instead of the 1

shock troop recon ded

[radiant cargo]

dude probably runs off alone half the time and doesn't get auras anyways 😛

[tranquil bronze]

You know what I really want?

[obtuse raft]

Ooooohhhhh pretty lights.

At least that's as much as I can tell from watching them.

[hollow ibex]

fatshart: sorry, best we can do is some SNOW gear for your DESERT maps

[terse idol]

That line is gonna hit really different when we get the scion armour

[tranquil bronze]

Somewhat okay so far

[torn root]

the induction suits of psyker go hard tho

[terse idol]

[zealous depot]

power bolter is fun so far

[radiant cargo]

is that mined out of the updates? or is that a user only visual mod?

[zealous depot]

reload is still a bitch tho

[hollow ibex]

psyker cosmetics are pretty decent usually imo

[terse idol]

Also wait a minute
We, as in the canonical rejects
Are technically a kill team

We are technically special forces

[umbral scaffold]

Some people really got in their heads that the team is some kind of hivemind solely working off of each other and making every decision based on what would benefit them

[terse idol]

It was mined from reddit

So EVENTUALLY we may see this in the store

[zealous depot]

we are the crackheads they hired and gave a knife that got told ''go get them''

[torn root]

actually, i dont think there is one i dislike, even the goofy induction suit

[zealous depot]

we are the total war team thats really cheap and bad but who cares we have more

[torn root]

we are the 40k SS

[radiant cargo]

special forces and highly expendable are not mutually exclusive in 40K. special forces is what's left after the chaff has been burt away; and it's easier to just send you to your death doing something REALLY useful, than to pick you up and take you somplace else.

[torn root]

dems is us

[zealous depot]

if a prisoner dies ''oh no, we dont get a new watercooler servitor''

if they live we get a new suicide trooper

[umbral scaffold]

The ultimate super team player support tree that ensures you have no rending, no melee buffs, no weakspot, no grenade buffs and basically sacrifice everything that benefits you for everything that benefits the team

[terse idol]

the bad suicide squad

[umbral scaffold]

I made a conscious decision to pick competitive urge instead of rending strikes because I'm not selfish

[terse idol]

[umbral scaffold]

[terse idol]

We're definetly more like the suicide squad by James Guun

[zealous depot]

dry bullets

[umbral scaffold]

I'm sure the team will also appreciate 5 seconds of extra minimal damage each time I shout

[torn root]

MAYBE

[umbral scaffold]

And the 3 seconds of more damage when I kill an enemy near them with my gun

[zealous depot]

they do actually

[umbral scaffold]

Truly the tide of dark will be pushed back

[torn root]

why does the columnus shre the shield off of twins

lmao

[zealous depot]

eveyrone loves support vet

[torn root]

the more i use this shit the less i can defend it

[umbral scaffold]

Nah, they love the shout guy

You get VOC, tactical awareness and survivalist and people won't even care about what else you bring

I remember trying a ranged build once to really capitalize on the left keystone and was mauled on the spot

Turns out becoming a self-sufficient melee guy with a revolver was easier to kill everything with

[terse idol]

Marksmen is fine

With a lasgun

[umbral scaffold]

It is, got some pretty funky bonuses and whatnot

Just wasn't for me

[junior needle]

Nope, hasn't been any changes at all recently, so still dumpster tier. It's just down to luck on your end.

[terse idol]

Now to be fair in the situation in atoma they cannot risk losing their best operatives

The whole "no reinforcements" means rannick who's already a good guy can't lose us

Maybe at first we were expendable but now losing us canonically would deal a blow to the mission

We are a kill team, and that fight with the twins showed as much

[junior needle]

Doesn't competitive urge only affect you and not your teammates?

[umbral scaffold]

I'd imagine not, otherwise it'd be a bit weird to have it in the middle tree

I don't remember the text, but I'm almost sure it was about all alies in coherency or something

[terse idol]

No enemies that your allies kill have a chance to proc competitive urge for yourself

Iirc

[umbral scaffold]

SELFISH

[terse idol]

I don't have it in front of me but it is a "you" centric talent

[umbral scaffold]

I thus have no selfless option that leads me to the middle keystone

I will abstain from getting it as it required me to use a selfish talent

[zealous depot]

thats more parasitic than anything

I recive damage, you receive nothing

[serene sage]

Hence the name

Competitive Urge

[obtuse raft]

What do people run for the shotguns BTW? It's the only weapon type I've not really messed with much yet.

[serene bough]

mostly down the middle path

[frank ether]

I love relying on rng proc for breakpoints

[serene bough]

its better for support related builds bc it knocks down/staggers lots of enemies

[zealous depot]

I like it on weapon swap

[serene sage]

Shout Deadshot Marksman Focus

[terse idol]

Don't tell me you use born leader

[serene sage]

[terse idol]

🗿

[serene sage]

It's almost a revolver

Almost

[terse idol]

Middle is about as "support" as getting 6 seconds off your ult cooldown

Which suffice it to say

I mean sure

Kinda?

What is truly support here...
Uh, damage vs monst

Selfish alert

Only gives you 20% its ogre

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lurking-gif-22179921

Actually yes

[terse idol]

It's

[frank ether]

The ''tank'' class is outdps'ing you, what are you complaining about

[terse idol]

Very bad

[umbral scaffold]

I don't care about the 5s damage buff and the suppression is not my thing

It was mostly elimination

[terse idol]

The 5s isn't...

Okay it's bad

It can help vets who don't already have the pgun breakpoint meet it

[zealous depot]

imagine relying on weapons to hit breakpoints instead of sheer buildcrafting

I bet you build the pre assigned lego sets

[terse idol]

[radiant cargo]

break points are.... damage amounts to kill cewrtain stuff in one shot?

[terse idol]

It's like a measure of how close you are to meeting... damage requriements

As far as i understand

It's like

Oh

[serene bough]

More generally the amount of damage to kill something efficiently

[terse idol]

You have a rashad

[radiant cargo]

their last plasma gun tweak made it no fun for me. can't put my finger on why, just doesn't work with my brain any more. lol

[terse idol]

And you can 4 shot a crusher

But you hacve to meet the Break point

Or else you'll kill it in 5

[zealous depot]

any idea what they poked?

[umbral scaffold]

Breakpoints are essentially damage thresholds you cross to take less hits to kill the same enemy

In Payday 2, breakpoints were in the 40s because the enemy health also was

So if you dealt 80 damage, you could headshot some enemies in a single shot

But if you had 79 you couldn't

And if you had 81, it was 1 point wasted

[zealous depot]

1 point was flexing on the enemy you mean

[serene bough]

"Keep the change, ya filthy animal"

[frank ether]

just hitting a certain hits to kill or bullets to kill

[raw crag]

melk got this for me rn

are the blessings good?

[frank ether]

I'd swap trauma away

personally

for like any other power blessing

[raw crag]

is carapace good to keep on this?

[serene bough]

not bad considering its got the pick axe attack for its special

[raw crag]

could swap trauma and melee crit chance for something else (like flak)

[serene bough]

flak or maniac if maniac helps to reach a breakpoint

[raw crag]

might need to check if it hits any sort of breakpoint yea, for carapace as well

[serene bough]

i havent used the new shovels enough to say whether or not it matters

i always use uncanny strikes for my shovels

[grizzled lynx]

Sire Melk tempts me. should I buy this? I heard slaughterer is good

[raw crag]

with nothing changed it seems to let me juuuust 2 shot crushers with 2 pickaxe heavies to the head

with the last one only requiring the first first hit of it

[serene bough]

you may be able to reach that breakpoint by modifying some perks

but tbh I dont think its as important as quickly dispatching maniacs

[raw crag]

does limbsplitter only count for the first hit of the pickaxe heavy?

[serene bough]

never tested, but probably just the first

now that I think about it, limbsplitter is probably better than uncanny

[raw crag]

could be better used for a quick light then

since it's only 1 hit, imma try it

i can leave decimator for crowd clearing

now that's an improvement

[serene bough]

juicy

tbh you could probably find a better shovel in the future, decimator is kind of meh

[raw crag]

i can already 1 shot maniacs with a limbsplitter heavy

or maniac ragers rather

could prolly also 1 shot with a light if i got maniac perk

[serene bough]

maybe on a different shovel you should test Take a Swing + Limbsplitter

if light attk lets you kill a rager w/ maniac id definitely try changing that

[wet elk]

got this as a drop lol

fking rip

[serene bough]

i forgot reassuringly accurate was a blessing

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-one-verge-of-greatness-gif-13754250

[raw crag]

...the push blessing?

[wet elk]

so close....

[hollow ibex]

still useable tbf

[umbral scaffold]

I wouldn't personally use limbsplitter

[wet elk]

yeah reassuringly accurate seems alright tbh

[hollow ibex]

swap out one blessing, one perk, and it'll still serve you well

[serene bough]

yeah its not bad with the standard issue since it gives 60% weakspot

it may be awkward w/ the pick attack

[raw crag]

why not?

[umbral scaffold]

There are better blessings, like uncanny strike and thrust

[zealous depot]

well it should be limb chopper innit?

[serene bough]

thrust could work too

[raw crag]

what about limbsplitter with thrust?

also that's only a lvl 2 limbsplitter

[umbral scaffold]

I don't see a point in playing around limbsplitter's finnicky time

[serene bough]

im going to test some stuff too

im curious

[raw crag]

i'd like to think of it as a storeable crit every few secs

[umbral scaffold]

Uncanny strike will work per hit on the shovel's special, thrust will also affect that special while also affecting the non-special heavies and even skullcrusher will work well because it also applies its condition per tick

So when you do an uncanny special, the second hit comes out with rending

[raw crag]

hm

[umbral scaffold]

And will skullcrusher if you have it

[raw crag]

maybe uncanny with limbsplitter then

thrust requires you to heavy

and for longer

[tranquil bronze]

Well... I can use this blessing on my lasguns

[raw crag]

i don't have uncanny strikes yet tho

[serene bough]

uncanny is overall a mustpick for the shovel

but if you wanted to capitalize off the pick attack then power blessings are a good substitute

[serene bough]

your inventory is so empty

[tranquil bronze]

Shhh

[raw crag]

neat and tidy

[serene bough]

Mine is a mess

[torn root]

really shouldnt be shooting the back of a mutant tho

ngl

[tranquil bronze]

Should I keep that second perk and wait till the second blessing?

[torn root]

that's like the worst way to show the damage especially for a pretty accurate weapon you could be aiming at weakspots

[serene bough]

its not a terrible MG4

[torn root]

makes the example super disingenuous

[serene bough]

i recommend this

[torn root]

not defending the weapon outside of that, but thats like the worst example you could have given

[rotund wind]

thrust with new shovels plus correct talents allows you to 1 tap crushers in auric damnation

[tranquil bronze]

Well I haven't sacrificed enough virgins yet to get such good stat drops

[serene bough]

i just meant in regards to perk/blessing distribution

[junior needle]

As I will say once again, it has absolutely nothing to do with mutant ttk. It's just a convenient high hp punching bag that allows for more consistent maniac dps testing that's less prone to luck influencing the overall number.

It's the same damage to a mutant as it is to every other maniac.

[grizzled lynx]

how much power% do you need?

[torn root]

how many pple are actually going to be able to calculate the dps number realative to how fast they are actually going to kill a guy liek that though?

dps testing only works if you can translate it to an actualy ttk

test dummying on the back of a mutant is just not it

[rotund wind]

i use a rank4 thrust with special attack and i hold the heavy as long as i can, if its a headshot it kills crushers

but idk how much %power increase i dont wanna add all the bonuses from talents etc

[junior needle]

It is "it". Dps testing works to show baseline numbers and by extension, you can extrapolate comparative ttk. A gun that does 1800 dps to muties will kill 3x as fast as a gun that does 600 dps to muties. Same applies to every other maniac.

[rotund wind]

also my shovel is 80%damage and 80% penetration

[grizzled lynx]

👍 just wondering if rank 2 is enough

[torn root]

so you tested the lasgum MG's the same way?

expecially when ppl talk about head shotting with them

the recon is an accuracy weapon the tests should be done with that in mind, not on non weakspots which is not where its niche lies

[junior needle]

I tested recon lasguns, and they all have regular falloff now btw.

[glacial yacht]

Whats the best blessings on new sapper shovels

[umbral scaffold]

I take uncanny strike and skullcrusher

[junior needle]

The recon lasguns are not finesse weapons, they have terribly low finesse modifiers on top of a weak baseline.

[torn root]

yall will post on how good Hb is while only shooting in the head and melee in the head but the 1 clip that rotates for the recon is shooting a mutant in the back

kinda weird

[marsh condor]

.....

Should I go all in on the Blessings, or do I do half?

[white minnow]

if you do weakspot tests, then the recons fall further behind

because they have one of the worst finesse multipliers in the game

[marsh condor]

I wish they could at least add some extra ammo as patch-up.

[torn root]

showing a test shooting the back of a mutant is stil one of the most unrealistic views to show someone, especially most are going to take it at a glance

[junior needle]

Here's a fine example of that

[torn root]

then showing HB tests while only aiming at the head

[frank ether]

HB has multiple viable ways to deal with maniacs

[torn root]

the recon is prety accurate so there is never a reason not to play it around that accuracy anyway

[junior needle]

"Showing how much dps a weapon does to an armor type in practice is unrealistic"

[frank ether]

HB can oneshot headshot dogs and ragers

[white minnow]

did they follow it up with a video of a HB headshot compared to a recon bodyshot?

[frank ether]

and against the back of a mutie you can bayonet to effectively kill them

[torn root]

you can scroll up to see the answer for that

[white minnow]

no

if you aren't going to answer, then I assume no

[torn root]

the answer is no

[white minnow]

so why even bring that situation up if it didn't happen?

[torn root]

im bringin it up because the test examples i see are weird

[white minnow]

it's because they're trying to show recon lasgun in its best case

if they showed a comparison of weakspots, then the recon lasgun falls behind

[junior needle]

There's nothing weird about it? Testing bodyshot vs headshot dps against various armor types.

[torn root]

which is the point i am making, its a bad gun in most eyes yes, but the niche for it isnt just to aim and shoot at bodies, even with the non existing finesse mutli

[frank ether]

I don't think this argument willl win you anything because if you test headshots with recon, it still loses hard to hb and iag, both of which have massive finesse

[torn root]

in most cases if you are going to use it its gunna be at head height at chaff

[frank ether]

shooting the back of a mutie is a worst case scenario for all weapons involved here

[marsh condor]

The Recon Lasgun used to be great with the Shock Trooper and some crits.

[junior needle]

I also have videos of headshot dps for the guns, and I post them for comparison. I do them separately for easy comparison.

[marsh condor]

Then it got nerfed.

[frank ether]

I understand the dps nerfs but I think shock trooper nerf was a bit overboard

[torn root]

yet thats the most shared one, it like the 4th time ive seen it, its weird still just gunna note that

[junior needle]

It's the same testing method for every gun. I do bodyshots and headshot dps sepatately for the armor types.

[frank ether]

I think this shoud be case in study for why you shouldn't take a weapon and nerf it in all aspects at once

unless maybe the intent was to make it underpowered?

I don't take FS devs as fools they probably knew what they were doing

[marsh condor]

The ammo is already meh if you compare it with other comparable guns

[frank ether]

we just dont understand the motivation behind the changes

[torn root]

this was the last example i say

and that's the fishy part

1 vs the back

one aimed at the head

[frank ether]

funnily enough helbore doesnt even cares about mutie backshots, its got a bayonet

[junior needle]

Those are both headshot videos.

The first one was a bodyshot dps video.

[torn root]

i couldnt link both my bad

not the best on disc mobile

[junior needle]

Generally people understand that 600~ dps is pretty low so I sometimes don't post the comparison for other things. Here's the ciag bodyshot video with the same method.

[crude fiber]

regardless of the options i still enjoy using recons cause fast laser gun is cool and it works well enough on vet if you can hit headshots consistently

[frank ether]

I think at this point recon family just needs a rework

[marsh condor]

Yeah

At least they could make it like an LMG I mean SAW or something.

I think it was originally meant to specialize in suppression, which is what LMGs do and is dumb.

[frank ether]

They always striked me as finesse based lmg niche

[umbral scaffold]

Find the part you're supposed to point at the enemy

[junior needle]

It works comparatively poorly on headshots due to a low finesse modifier unfortunately. The guns feel good to use due to recoil/visuals/sound, but numerically they're very poor.

[frank ether]

could also use some blessings to spice them up in gameplay

not saying they shoud become all or nothing blessing based guns

but they could get some blessing spice to differentiate from iags

[torn root]

im not disputing that, i mostly just found the mutie test weird, not even trying to talk shit @ you just to clarify

[frank ether]

maybe a more juicy infernus that makes enemies blow up on death and spread heat stacks to others nearby?

Idk something fun

It needs something mechanically interesting to build the playstyle around

[crude fiber]

somthing like a built in onslaught would be cool, 1% brittleness on hit and it stacks with the onslaught node or something but that sounds maybe a little powerful

[marsh condor]

Or buff up the damage to begin with.

Make it similar to the Brauto, I guess? But in exchange for lower ammo reserve, you can at least aim and hit snipers.

[frank ether]

I mean brautos are terrible guns for veteran

they do not synergize with most of your stuff

[crude fiber]

that would be crazy high dps with how fast it shoots lol

[junior needle]

It's purely to average out performance with a larger HP pool and have luck be less of factor. The mutie itself has nothing to do with it, the armor type dps is the only thing that matters on the screen.

[marsh condor]

What I mean is make the Recon Lasgun an alternative.

[raw crag]

tfw i can't find an executioner's stance lasgun build

[serene sage]

All I see is a weird face

What am I looking at

[frank ether]

thats already where recons are tbh

low skill floor, low finesse

[torn root]

so aside from the Columnus how much worse is it in comparison to other guns? this is actually a question specifically for me

[crude fiber]

heres mine

[marsh condor]

But the low damage too is also bad.

[torn root]

just that the columnus is just best in slot at grey already

[raw crag]

recon?

[serene sage]

More and more I think Catch a Breath is better than Get Back

[crude fiber]

can be any lasgun, i just like the recon. heres if you want onslaught

[serene sage]

That's all I use now

[marsh condor]

The recon Lasgun fares poorly when compared to the Brauto, the other LMG-esque gun.

[frank ether]

catch a breath is fine now that ET works

you got a toughness replenishment for being in combat and being out of combat

[raw crag]

neat thx

[marsh condor]

Both have low finesse multipliers and barf out tons of shots.

[frank ether]

recon has a lot tighter cone and can ads on top of that

if you equalize recon and brauto dps, recon will trample it

[marsh condor]

But for the damage output they give in comparison to their magazines, the Brauto is superior.

[raw crag]

er, i'm guessing what's hidden behind the "catch a breath" tooltip is stockpile?

[frank ether]

thats literally all brauto has going for it, yes

[marsh condor]

Unless you put it on a Zealot

[frank ether]

yes, then zealot gets spread reduction and rof buffs

[marsh condor]

But I feel like the Zealot is supposed to have it while the Veteran gets it by virtue of it being an Autogun

[raw crag]

oh and field improv?

[frank ether]

from vet perspective finesse weapons will always perform better than spray and pray guns

[marsh condor]

That's true.

[frank ether]

half of your tallent tree is built around finesse

[marsh condor]

And ammo.

[crude fiber]

i almost always take both, theyre too good to not imo

[marsh condor]

(jk)

[rotund wind]

yea but spraying is fun

and praying (for the emprah) keeps chaos at bay

[umbral scaffold]

Field improv is a crucial part of the 15 krak grenade build

[junior needle]

Columnus is notably overtuned so here's the rest of the IAG's bodyshot for maniac. Very sizable dps difference, and this extends generally to unyielding (excepting the 7a, which unusually does not have a shit modifier to unyielding). I'll post flak separately.

[raw crag]

i feel like field imrov should give some sorta visual indicator to your teammates that your ammo crates and medipaks are boosted

[crude fiber]

speaking of zealot i was sleeping on the reduced recoil and spread on dodge for braced autos, shit gives you execute stance accuracy for a couple seconds and is super easy to procc

[raw crag]

like a stack of nades next to the ammo pack or a servo skull on the medi

[crude fiber]

meh, theyll find out or if theres a nuke ogryn ill let him know personally lol

[crude fiber]

the skill node that does that anyway

[marsh condor]

Not gonna lie, a squad of Brauto veterans scare me more than a squad of Ogryn Gunners.

With Ogryns, at least you can die quickly from overkill.

[frank ether]

brauto still pretty viable on vet but brauto users can be hit and miss

[torn root]

okay knew it was bad..... but yeah, I could never defend this weapon ---- I called the test weird because I thought it was, still think its target is chaff but ty for explaining more

[frank ether]

See if they didn't butcher shock trooper recon would make a fun chaff shooting gun

[marsh condor]

Yeah

[frank ether]

and I'd put it on some melee loadouts

[raw crag]

is the 25 toughness node really worth over deadshot?

[frank ether]

but it eats through ammo so fast as it is rn

[crude fiber]

deadshot on recons is pretty heavy stam tax for little payout imo

[frank ether]

and those melee loadouts tend to be very capable chaff murkers

[marsh condor]

It's practically a burst-weapon but fail

[raw crag]

ah so if i'm using something like a xii lasgun

i should take it?

[junior needle]

Against flak the difference is very minor on bodyshots (on IAG's that aren't ciag), with the recon 2 falling behind because it has the worst numbers. On headshots the IAG's pull ahead again but I don't have videos for that atm. All the flak targets for headshots are a bit flimsy for my liking (armored ragers are the best bet).

No reason to take a weapon that only performs acceptably for chaffe when harder targets are the primary threat. Also when other guns excel at dealing with both.

[crude fiber]

couldnt hurt, especially if you have deadly accurate and headhunter

[frank ether]

see here is the funny thing

its better on gunker

recons unironically better off on gunker

[junior needle]

You're better off using ciag for gun psyker

[frank ether]

so much for being the finesse class lmao

[raw crag]

mk V autogun still outclasses recon on gunker though, doesn't it?

[frank ether]

Even brauto is better on gunker

[junior needle]

Psyker don't have brautos

[frank ether]

The only advantage vet got going for it is the ammo generation

[junior needle]

Iirc

[frank ether]

and on gunker you dont have ammo passives, but you got fkin assail

[raw crag]

unless you really like hipfiring (which, with the awful iron sights, i don't blame ye)

[frank ether]

thats another issue with deadshot

[south garnet]

Sorry for the random ping, but I was curious what settings you use? I get decent frames with RTX crap all on but something in there, I assume DLSS-related, gives me these weird hiccups where I end up missing key frames in between weird slowdowns. I have frame generation turned off - at this point I've turned basically everything off lol

[frank ether]

the fact that it does fuck all if you like hipfiring

and its a stamina hog on ads

Its pretty interesting talent that I love to take

but when psyker press a button to shit out crit chance

[raw crag]

damn, omnissiah's not with me on this one

[south garnet]

it appears not even a 4090 can best the optimization of fatshark's top engineers

[frank ether]

you need an overkill cpu friend

[raw crag]

you need the 4090 of cpu's

[frank ether]

I got a 5800X3D and sometimes memory leak still kills my fps

also got 4400 CL19 memory that I hand tuned to like 3733-CL14

thats what it takes to run darktide lmao

[south garnet]

I have a 12900k

[frank ether]

overclocked?

[fleet garden]

4090 with a 13900k and decent ddr5 ram is good

[frank ether]

what about memory?

[torn root]

to the latter part i agree 100%, I have the same sentiment with Blessings on weapons and such, again ty for explaining

[south garnet]

64 GB DDR5

[frank ether]

oh, thats good, what speeds?

I assume you got XMP enabled at least right?

that makes a huge difference

I wouldn't scoff at mem speed

[raw crag]

is this worth to keep consecrating?

[south garnet]

I'd have to check, but it was the higher of the two available at the time (DDR5 was not terribly varied a year ago), and yea XMP enabled

[fleet garden]

I barerly had any problems on a 3090ti but with the 4090 ive got now, no problems besides those dns issue loading screens

[low oar]

I'd get rid of it

[frank ether]

also on the nvidia control panel I recommend changing darktide to either ''prefer maximum performance'' or ''optimum'' so that your gpu doesnt just downclock

[raw crag]

fair, and the infernus too i'm guessing

[south garnet]

Yea I just upgraded from a 3090ti so I'm curious what settings people are using on 4090s

[frank ether]

Also fair warning

[fleet garden]

also remember to bless and rub your gpu every morning with incense

[frank ether]

ray tracing will still lower your performance on 4090

because its a cpu load

[south garnet]

Oh yea for sure

[frank ether]

ppl underestimate this

but RT will load your CPU aswell

even though your 4090 is perfectly capable

[south garnet]

Ray tracing in general is an unoptimized technology, and FS' touch on top of that I knew raytracing was going to be a gamble either way

[raw crag]

rtx lighting is also a hidden setting iirc

[frank ether]

Its like a decade early for mainstream RT

[south garnet]

yep

[raw crag]

as in you gotta go into config and switch it to "false" (it's "high" on default)

[cunning holly]

Ahoi. Let me check.

[frank ether]

We'll probably see RT become a thing with like PS6

[raw crag]

"rt_lighting" it's called

[frank ether]

oh yea, you can do that to claw some extra frames, but it makes the game rly ugly

[fleet garden]

rt disabled, 107 fov, 22 cores, blur disabled, dlss on quality

[marsh condor]

Imagine if they give Zealot an ammo-related Talent.

[frank ether]

also I'd make sure DT is not using your efficiency cores

[south garnet]

Thank you!

[frank ether]

Idk if thats even possible

but efficiency cores cant possibly be good for fps

Idk what Intel is even smoking over there

[south garnet]

It's technically possible but it's a pain in the ass and I need to grab some 3rd party software for it then run it repeatedly over multiple matches

Then you have to figure out how to keep it from doing that which isn't always reliable either

So tl;dr I haven't bothered

[raw crag]

keep it going?

[junior needle]

No problem

[marsh condor]

Anyone remember Saltzpyre's bounty hunter talent where you basically have increased power relative to your magazine?

[frank ether]

I would probably just disable e-cores outright but thats just me

[fleet garden]

nah dont do that

[fleet garden]

your performance tanks, even if they are e cores

[south garnet]

Gracie!

[raw crag]

[frank ether]

but uhh, I bought amd for a reason didn't see myself bothering with e-cores

a lot of effort

[south garnet]

Much appreciated for the information and tips fellas

[torn root]

the oneshot pistol one?

[marsh condor]

No

[frank ether]

Oh one last tip for you

just check memory usage when fps sucks

sometimes its just memory leak cus fatshark cant code

[marsh condor]

The one before that

[terse idol]

well

If you get head hunter

You'll have saved it

[crisp bronze]

After messing around in the Psykhanium with my Boltgun Marksman build I pulled out my Slug Shotgun and it kinda slaps? 1 shots every Elite and Special with a headshot except for Maulers and Crushers. Bulwarks get opened with the slug and 2 headshots takes them down. Same with Reapers. The bonus Attack Speed and Reload speed helps a lot too.
Anyone else try this out?

[radiant cargo]

there has been a vet in every game tonight, using a recon, and not pulling any wieght. lol. is there some new metta thats "supposed" to work but just isn't?

[raw crag]

i didn't

[cunning holly]

Np. As for specs, I am on 4090 with 13700F and 32G RAM

[south garnet]

Yea I usually restart once every few matches anyway just to band-aid that particular issue

[fleet garden]

what diff, t5 aurics?

[frank ether]

I only got 16 GB RAM lol it kills my FPS so hard

[radiant cargo]

freaking 4's/ it's crazy

[fleet garden]

I mess with recon sometimes but like its not stopping me or anything

[frank ether]

go from fixed 120 fps to like 40 when memory leak starts

[radiant cargo]

they're just not killing things. lol

[torn root]

i think most ppl are using it because it feels nice to shoot

[cunning holly]

It actually is a problem, especially on higher resolutions.

[torn root]

doesnt really perform as good as other things, just feels nice

[marsh condor]

What's the two Vraks Headhunters' marks?

[fleet garden]

yes but on what difficulty, if its sub t5 then its w/e

[frank ether]

just recon users being very persistent

or ppl who are copy pasting outdated patch 13 builds

[marsh condor]

I kinda forgot

[south garnet]

I genuinely think it's either recon players who haven't touched DT in ages, or people who think they've found out some secret trick that makes them usable

[frank ether]

mm I'm on 1080P with like a 16 GB GPU so VRAM isn't an issue for me

[south garnet]

And, OK, technically they're usable. What I mean to say is competitive with other weapons

[tawny parcel]

hey guys what blessings do we use for mk3 sapper shovel?

[marsh condor]

3-burst Headhunter + Onslaught + Rending Strikes + Marksman's Rending (optional)

[south garnet]

Alright time to tune this puppy a little more

[cunning holly]

Accatran VId was good last patch, before they nerfed the crit to spreading only on 2 charges. You are focusing on killing everything that has a gun with it. And monstricities can melt too, with proper tank + positioning + hitting weakspots. Any other reclas is not to my liking.

[marsh condor]

How much Rending can we get total?

[fleet garden]

yes

[frank ether]

depends on how you build

[marsh condor]

On a scale of "meh" to "fuck Crushers"

[frank ether]

but you can get like %20 on marksman focus builds

the only downside being you're running a meme keystone

But on the plus side %20 rending on vraks will FUCK crushers

[raw crag]

[marsh condor]

What about Onslaught?

[frank ether]

onslaughts nice on higher rof guns

[flint garden]

max onslaught is 40% rending

[frank ether]

its brittle and not rending

so each target needs a ton of bullets

[marsh condor]

I know, but still

[flint garden]

but itll take all your ammo

[marsh condor]

3 round burst-fire

[frank ether]

Its pretty ok for

braced autos

iags

recons (lmao)

[cunning holly]

I was thinking of the usual RAM :LD I noticed it sucked to have 16G way before DT even came out... But at 1080p it should be enough, unless you have Chrome open for like days.

[flint garden]

just use hc zarona

[raw crag]

[tall torrent]

Carapace rend caps at 50%, above that it’s converted into dmg at 4% rend = 1% dmg ratio

[frank ether]

I mean by the time onslaught procs on a vraks 3, flat rending will kill the crusher.

seriously

%20 flat rending will kill a crusher

[tall torrent]

The other armor types, u can rend up to 100%, then it starts dmg conversion at the same 4:1 ratio

[frank ether]

before onslaught climbs up

[marsh condor]

So let's keep up the momentum.

[raw crag]

right as i was about to run out of plasteel

[marsh condor]

It's not about efficiency, it's about audacity.

[frank ether]

Yeah it kinda sucks to have 16 but not an issue if devs can make software that doesn't come with memory wormholes lmao

[marsh condor]

But for real

What about Unyielding?

[frank ether]

its kinda whatever

[tawny parcel]

hey guys what blessings do you all recommend for MK3 sapper shovel?

[frank ether]

I dont like unyielding

its for such a niche part of the game

and a good team will decimate bosses so fast regardless

[marsh condor]

I'm gonna be honest about something.

I thought Mutants should be Unyielding.

[tall torrent]

It’s not a bad choice but usually breakpoint orientated perks are preferred

[marsh condor]

Or that Purge the Unclean could apply to Maniacs instead of Unyielding.

[frank ether]

nah

its fine

[marsh condor]

Idk, and I'm aware that it's not needed.

[frank ether]

moving maniac to unyielding would fuck over some guns even more

I dont think you're aware of what headaches it would cause lol

[marsh condor]

Yeah

[marsh condor]

I am.

I personally have it as part of my Monster Hunter build

Thunder Hammer not needed.

[frank ether]

a better solution is to just not invent resistance types that are so niche

and then tie them to crafting system

unyielding there for boss killers and bosses are unreliable

you may or may not get one

you may get 5 in the same game

you may gett 0

[marsh condor]

Only 2 types of Ogryns have that, and that's pretty much it...

[frank ether]

reapers do I think?

and plogryn

which is a boss

[marsh condor]

Bulwarks

[frank ether]

oh right

bulwarks

I dont think bulwark resistance type matters

its more about the

STUPID SHIELD

OH MY GOD

[marsh condor]

Just those two as common Unyielding enemies.

[frank ether]

FIX THE SHIELD FATSHARK

I BEG OF YOU

reeeeee

[marsh condor]

Catachan Devil Claw do be funny

Too bad you can't dual wield them.

[cunning holly]

TH is a fun to have thing and if your zealot is not a "random button press enjoyer" can kill any boss without it.

[marsh condor]

I wanna cosplay as this Warcraft High King who can parry everything.

[frank ether]

d.claw letting you parry a boss into death is hilarious too

[flint garden]

bulwark shield hitboxes covering 99% of their body

[marsh condor]

But I need dual wielding

[tranquil bronze]

Is ranged damge to elites an okay perk?

[frank ether]

sometimes its even preferred

since it stacks with flak pretty well

but Idk for MG4

I run flak+elite on my helbore 1 if I remember right

and that specific combo lets me one shot flak rager

[tranquil bronze]

I guess Imma keep that then

[frank ether]

I'd worry more about your blessing on that

[marsh condor]

Not saying it isn't fun (I hate implicating), just that you're not obligated to use this just to kill bosses.

[frank ether]

opening salvo isnt great

you want headhunter and deadly accurate on infant lasguns

[tranquil bronze]

I can swap out the blessing for Deadly Accurate

[frank ether]

hit it to purple I guess and see what u get

flak or maniac would be preferred ofc

but crit chance is fine too

[marsh condor]

I'm gonna wait until we get a sniper stubber.

A literal bolt-action rifle in the 40k.

[frank ether]

I heard something about a scab marksman rifle

[marsh condor]

Long las?

[frank ether]

not a lasgun

[marsh condor]

Oh.

[frank ether]

think of like

vraks 7

but bigger

[marsh condor]

I know that

But if that's the case...

[frank ether]

I'd also love a longlas personally

though I understand its difficult to balance such weapons

[cunning holly]

Uhhh... I meant that TH is a stupid weapon that I hate 😄 Yes, it allows to 2-3 shot bosses, if you are lucky, but other than that it makes a zealot so much less than what it actually is -_-/ I usually take it when I want to have some fun, or when I don't trust for the rest of the partyto have enough stagger, like "mostly melee enemies" missions. Though funnyly enough, even then TH doesn;t live up to expectations.

[next slate]

Long las would be sexy

[frank ether]

making them potent is hard in a horde shooter

[next slate]

tho a meltagun has been in the files for god knows how long

[marsh condor]

This is just a personal bias of mine, but imagine if Veterans and Zealots get their own exclusive "sniper" weapons.

[frank ether]

I just want vet to have some more unique heavy weaponry

[bitter turtle]

Longlas could exist with revolvers current dmg profile but slow swap

[shadow aurora]

Killing floor made it work im sure fartshart could

[marsh condor]

The Zealot's version is really just a glorified halberd that shoots, imo.

[frank ether]

and make it apply heavy suppression kinda like bolter does

[bitter turtle]

And slow rof

So it stands apart from.bolter having auto

[next slate]

the krieg rifles existing kinda undermines having a long las tho

[marsh condor]

One word.

Scope.

[frank ether]

I mean we got helbore rn, it works well

[next slate]

truth

[cunning holly]

I Second that word.

[shadow aurora]

I want more

[bitter turtle]

Scope and it would ideally have a lot more cleave and damage over hb3

[marsh condor]

Long Las = Fully-Charged Helbore with Scope.

[frank ether]

longlas I imagine could work with some revolver style penetration

[marsh condor]

Oh, oh

I know what else to add

[cunning holly]

Really hate the iron sights on the helbores, one would think that in the future army would care about you being able to aim with your long range oriented weapon...

[marsh condor]

Pierce through Bulwark shields.

[bitter turtle]

You could

The heavy weps donthat

Like.bolter and plasma even if plasma swaps fast bc op lul

I think that would distinguish it enough from hb3

[cunning holly]

Not how lasers work 😄 You have plasma for that... Need more variations tho

[shadow aurora]

If plasma cant go through the shield i dont think anything is

[bitter turtle]

Lots of cleave and penetration

Makes bulwark drop shield

[frank ether]

see the scope part is scary to me since it kills your field of view

[bitter turtle]

High enough damage to 2shot crushers

[frank ether]

helbores right now by default have like 40 something FoV

when you ads

[bitter turtle]

I run scope on v7

It's not that bad

As long as it's the lowest one

The 16x scopes are ??? Who would run this

[marsh condor]

I heard that the Helbore shouldn't be treated as a sniper weapon, and more like a dedicated marksman rifle.

[frank ether]

clean sight picture and relatively sane zoom is important for gameplay

16x would be a meme even in battlefield games lmao

[cunning holly]

As a siege player, DMR IS a sniper rifle but with high rof 😄

[marsh condor]

Which means it's good for mid- to long-ranges, while snipers are stuck at long.

[obtuse raft]

16x zoom for when you really can't trust yourself with that 50m sniper hit lol.

[marsh condor]

At least theoretically.

[bitter turtle]

But ya the lowest scope is pretty great

[obtuse raft]

I don't think there's a single engagement distance in the game where 16x would be even mildly appropriate

[bitter turtle]

Indont fine myself tunneling and it's really fun to use

Only thing is

If long-las is such a heavy weapon

Idk if it even cares about a scope

[marsh condor]

Now, just a question I have

[bitter turtle]

You're going to be trying to pick off crushers and bulwarks

Not little gunners

[cunning holly]

Also another reason I don't like the current state of lasguns - too low rof. Reclas are supposed to cover that, but they are too ammoconsumign without the crit perk... wich got nerfed and made them unusable in my book.

[marsh condor]

What would be a good Sniper weapon for Zealot, Psyker and Ogryn?

[frank ether]

even 4x would be overkill

[bitter turtle]

If they added it I'd like it to.be something you don't need to swap to melee constantly but

[frank ether]

%90 of the gameplay is within like 20 meters

actually no

%99

[marsh condor]

For Zealot, I thought of a Stubber with a bayonet

[bitter turtle]

Maybe the cleave will let you horde clear with it but then it feels wrong for a longlas

Lol

[obtuse raft]

Gauntlet is ogryn's premier "sniper" and once it gets a little more love rumbler can fill the role

[frank ether]

My guess is it will have helbore levels of zoom with a scope on top if it ever becomes a thing

[marsh condor]

A bayonet for our loud n crazy charging zealot.

[cunning holly]

To be honest, that is the way I try to use my helbore when I play my MKII, BUT every time I try to stay away, there is a small bunch of critters dropping in behind my back... At least makes the use of a bayonet charge justified

[gritty dock]

For this type of weapon, I would have the following classification:

1. Flak, Maniacs
2. Elites, Unarmoured, Unyielding
   The problem of Elites is not the Elites themselves, i.e. the types of units, but the fact that in this case they only add 8-10% to dmg.
   That's why perks that add 20-25% to dmg work much better.

[bitter turtle]

The bayonet is better than the gun

Helbore is unironically a melee gun imo lol

[umbral scaffold]

The pen is better than the sword

[bitter turtle]

U just shoot to get rid of threats you can't stab

Like incoming trapper

[obtuse raft]

This makes me curious though. Is there a list of the various ADS zoom levels anywhere?

[marsh condor]

Only applies 2/3.

[bitter turtle]

OK yeah but hb3 is smelly

[marsh condor]

Two-handed axes for Zealot when?

[cunning holly]

Fact. Considering the state of melee weapons for my comissar, I often times remain on my helbore 😄

[cunning holly]

hb3 too long charge...

[marsh condor]

(Achlys Caxe's 1st Heavy Attack still doesn't make sense to me)

Imagine if it cleaves with its broad head instead

[cunning holly]

If every hb would be set to like .33 sec, then it would be fine. Waiting almost a second for it to charge only to 1shot something in the head is too fraking long...

[marsh condor]

Bromentum doesn't count

[tall torrent]

Just make long-las always have HB charged dmg profile but it doesn’t need to charge
Correspondingly it has way more cleave and finesse bonus, but drains a lot of ammo per shot

Slow draw speed

[marsh condor]

What about Special?

[cunning holly]

I played 1st person such a long time ago, and I consider the old chainaxe a trash weapon that I no longer even have I have no idea what you mean 😄

[bitter turtle]

That's what I'm thinking

[tall torrent]

Maybe weapon special can be toggling the zoom level in the scope

[bitter turtle]

Maybe a little higher than hb3

But

[marsh condor]

A

[bitter turtle]

I wonder

Doesn't that encourage you to horde clear with ut

Lol

With shocktrooper

Since slow draw and high cleave

[marsh condor]

Not the chain axe

[bitter turtle]

Feels not very snipery

[marsh condor]

The combat axe

[tall torrent]

If any gun should get a variable zoom sight it should be a long-las, assuming we’re not getting exitus rifle

[marsh condor]

We are obviously not going to have that kind of rifle.

But an imitation of them works

[tall torrent]

Welfare exitus rifle

[marsh condor]

Where?

Show me

[tall torrent]

U said imitation so

I’m not expecting exitus to be coming

[marsh condor]

-_- true-

[tall torrent]

Long-las is as good as it gets

[marsh condor]

Just something to note.

[hardy ember]

Hellguns better

[marsh condor]

The Exitus is still, for all intents and purposes, a Stubber

So Stubber snipers when?

[crisp bronze]

Warplock Jezzail when?

[tall torrent]

Zarona Mk LXIXfi quickdraw stub revolver

[marsh condor]

...

Stubber sniper rifles when?

[tall torrent]

Would prefer long-las or hellgun to come before

[obtuse raft]

Take your vraks autogun and just reload halfway through your mag you'll have the experience.

[hardy ember]

Hellguns

Need to be a proper vet gunner like the art in the skill tree

[serene bough]

but can he dual wield two of these?

[marsh condor]

Dunno, but I remembered that a whole army was armed with this with large shields and bayonets

[serene bough]

wild

[marsh condor]

(They used the PTRS-41 instead of the PTRD-41, but the logic still applies)

Imagine getting discount Guardian Spears.

[umbral scaffold]

Is that Hellsing?

[celest vine]

https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-bryan-ansell-obituary

[frail bolt]

thoughts?

[glacial beacon]

is there a list of boss damage rankings for ranged weapons

[obtuse raft]

Stats are pretty good but I think all the perks and blessings probably aren't great

[frail bolt]

rip

anyway to salvage this?

or just eat it for infernus?

[frank ether]

you're supposed to use it with brutal momentum

then it works well

[marsh condor]

I did say it doesn't count

[frank ether]

well that can't stop me cause I can't read properly

[marsh condor]

Mostly cuz it seems like wasted opportunity to go and say "TIMBER!"

[frank ether]

lol

I dont have too much experience with C.axes

been getting into it since I finally rolled BM

[marsh condor]

I'm mostly miffed about the animations.

[frank ether]

I prefer chainaxe animation set

[marsh condor]

With the Achlys, you use the spiked side exclusively for heavy attacks.

[frank ether]

but combat axe makes up for it

by being gigastrong

[frank ether]

kinda like a pickaxe

[marsh condor]

Yeah, which is fine on its overhead heavy attacks...and not its initial heavy attack.

[frank ether]

I mean that does concentrate the force over a smaller area you know

[marsh condor]

Yeah, but that's where the problem starts

One, Combat Axes in general have poor Heavy Attack damage against Maniacs compared to their Light Attacks

But the Achlys Combat Axe's initial Heavy Attack is roughly similar to its Light attacks.

[frank ether]

well maniac is mostly fleshy bits

Idk

seems whatever to me

[crisp rapids]

time to ROLL

[marsh condor]

Like I said, fine on overhead Heavy Attacks, but just weird on the horizontal Heavy Attack

[frank ether]

why not lol

[crisp rapids]

i just bought about 700k of kaentrel MG IA I

infantry autoguns

[marsh condor]

I'm much more comfortable chopping heretics like actual wood.

[frank ether]

game gave me a godroll infant las and I dont even touch it

[marsh condor]

And the Achlys denies me of that by using the spiked side.

[frank ether]

if only we had trading

[obtuse crypt]

got a question, whats better to have fireteam aura or the one with 1% ammo

[crisp rapids]

i haev a godroll

i need a headhunter

its the 1 perk

am mising

[frank ether]

I see

what I like to do is

get stuff to blue

see if I roll it

[crisp rapids]

yeah

[obtuse crypt]

i currently use fireteam bc i play with lasgun which has like 1000 ammo anywaysd

[marsh condor]

Between Survivalist and Fireteam, I suggest Survivalist.

[crisp rapids]

its what i'll do with 70+

of those

[frank ether]

ammo is better for your team

[marsh condor]

Fireteam is a lil better for being aggressive.

[frank ether]

nobody will make their build around missing %5 damage

[marsh condor]

But not too aggressive.

[frank ether]

so it will always be a selfish aura

[terse idol]

😭

[frank ether]

but with the focus mark build its possible you push people's damage so much

[marsh condor]

Tell that to the other Aura

[serene bough]

survivalist 100% better than fire team

[crisp rapids]

actually

i might be missing 5% dmg

[frank ether]

to the point they hit different breakpoints

[crisp rapids]

to onetap bruisers

[serene bough]

but survivalist makes the ammo economy non-existent

[terse idol]

MS atleast makes everyone just run faster

[frank ether]

so on a focus mark build fireteam is less bad

[crisp rapids]

on a 80% dmg 80% stop, frie frenzy splitter agrip brautor

[frank ether]

since the whole idea is to buff your team as much as possible

[marsh condor]

....okay, fair.

[obtuse crypt]

but fireteam gives everyone 5% dmg so that buffs the team too?

[frank ether]

It does

but by itself its very little to matter

[serene bough]

it does but 5% isnt that meaningfu

[rough cobalt]

Which variant of chainsword is better for Vet?

[frank ether]

It becomes more meaningful if you run focus mark with its passive modifiers

[serene bough]

survivalsit can easily give you 5x your entire ammo reserve in an entire round

[terse idol]

5% is miniscule, it's not gonna make things die in one less shot

[obtuse crypt]

i prefer the later one

[marsh condor]

Speaking of, they should buff the Psyker's damage aura.

[rough cobalt]

U mean the new one that came out some time ago?

(didn't play long time)

[crisp bronze]

I just level anything promising up to orange. Even if I can tell it's not worth keeping it still might give me a tier 4 Blessing for whatever weapon I'm farming at that moment. Eventually this becomes less worth as you collect more tier 4 Blessings but it's what I've been doing so far.

[marsh condor]

Because the Veteran's bonus is at least generally applied, while the Psyker's work exclusively against Elites

[frank ether]

vet aura debate wouldn't exist if survivalist was a veteran only talent for sharpshooter vet

[junior needle]

Overwhelmingly it's not enough to change breakpoints, and anyone that purposefully relies on it to do so either is a vet taking it or in a party with one. Survivalist is much better overall and even against the best use case of fireteam outperforms it.

[frank ether]

I dont believe the game's ammo balance should be balanced around

whether you have survival vet or not

[serene bough]

true

[junior needle]

Agree, or whether you have a vet at all in case they make it applicable to all vets.

[serene sage]

I was three this morning when people started survivalist convo

[marsh condor]

Wait

[serene sage]

I finished my work day, go home, took a nap

[marsh condor]

Can the same auras stack?

[serene sage]

And here we are again

Time is a circle

[serene bough]

auras dont stack

[frank ether]

Maybe a weaker version of survivalist should just be base game feature

This debate will keep reappearing

[junior needle]

nope

[frank ether]

but I can't decide on whats the best way to handle survivalist situation

[marsh condor]

Okay, that's terrible

[terse idol]

well

It's balanced

[frank ether]

Its a more complicated topic than it appears

[terse idol]

4 vets

With 4% survivalist

Would just beat levels

You would gain more ammo back per bullet than you kill

[serene bough]

i mean, one survivalist arguably already does that

[crisp bronze]

Scavenger (the base aura) can stack with Survivalist because they count as seperate auras I believe but Survivalist cannot stack with itself.

[frank ether]

I think its a cool idea to let you loot ammo for killing enemies

just the numbers are questionable

[tranquil bronze]

I'll be damned... not a bad find

[frank ether]

Also the value of survivalist depends on your reserve ammo

so having %25 ammo perk

makes survivalist better

cause you got a bigger ammo pool so the percentage returns are higher

back when vet rework first dropped and certain weapons had very low ammo pools

ammo sustain was so bad

my braced auto had like 200 something reserve and survivalist returns were nothing

[white minnow]

i'd buff ammo pickups to compensate and call it a day

[frank ether]

that creates the problem if

first come first serve

[terse idol]

I mean

[serene sage]

I think we should copy the code for VT2 over and delete all guns