veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

Is that enough? 🤔

[terse idol]

For parrying crushers I'll uh

Take every advantage I get

[glossy swallow]

But who's perfect here, really 😎

[terse idol]

Oh PERFECT parry

[glossy swallow]

Let's say, I just be spamming that

[terse idol]

Block efficiency will just help when you don't hit perfect

I'm asuuuming

[tall torrent]

Yea

[crystal sable]

lmao i just got emp gifted this

[glossy swallow]

So block efficiency willl make me lose less staminga while I counter with Claw?

orrrrr

Do I need more stamina for that

not regen

[tall torrent]

Yes

Reduces stamina used for blocking attacks

[glossy swallow]

Holy moly

[slow spade]

though be aware a crusher overhead will still make your stamina sad :p

[tall torrent]

I’m not that familiar with DC swords primarily because hadron bricked 48 of them (all 370+) for me

[glossy swallow]

So, like

[tall torrent]

You can’t use duplicate perks

[low lava]

[glossy swallow]

Heresy

[tall torrent]

Game just doesn’t allow u to use duplicate perks

[low lava]

Sienna would be proud of that block efficiency lol

[tall torrent]

Or I’d have ran 9x +12% stamina regen

[obsidian kite]

I got a 550 mk IV claw with flak, maniac, wrath, and rampage on my first taken to legendary. One of my few weapons I haven't endured great suffering to get, unlike power cycler IV...

[glossy swallow]

[tall torrent]

Hadron still refuses to give me no respite 4 on helbore

I have gotten through a godroll for each HB variant, and 15 bricked, but never seen no respite 4

[glossy swallow]

I don't like the crafting system

Gimme Vermintide 2

[tall torrent]

Nobody likes this crafting system, we’re all just coping with it

[glossy swallow]

😔

[brazen bay]

fingers crossed for this evening that melk has something worth damn brothers

[south garnet]

I personally love the crafting system, it's very rewarding and respectful of the time I invest. It only took me 1k hours to find power cycler

the vermintide system makes basically every match christmas in comparison

[sage agate]

fuck around n find out

[terse idol]

Only until someone actually told me was when I rembered why I disliked vermintide 2s system

get a red
get unlucky
reroll a modifer 15-20 times

Now we gotta roll an entire weapons with

[south garnet]

Yea, thre is that

[terse idol]

Modifiers

Blessings

[south garnet]

^^^

[terse idol]

And perks

And we only have control of 2 variables

https://tenor.com/view/giygas-cat-melon-cat-psychotic-gif-25770926

[south garnet]

They finally fucking did what I've been saying since they introduced perks at the very least and just present a list now instead of making you roll (at least when you change one... woo locks)

[terse idol]

Pls fs just let us remove locks

Or get rid of locks

Oh my gosh

[south garnet]

Bitches making me roll 500 times to get the fucking perk I want, you KNOW I'm not settling for anything other than a T4 perk of the specific kind I have in mind

God

Hours sitting at hadron clicking

click click click click click NOWAITFUCK THAT WAS THE ONE I WANTED click click click click

In my heart, I hope that FS is secretly working on a crafting overhaul to bring it closer in line with the one they originally envisioned and then scrapped for... some reason

[serene orbit]

[south garnet]

They'll drop it, locks will go away, all mats will have a purpose, and crafting will feel fun

[terse idol]

mobi dump

Its fine dumping mobi but good looooord

[south garnet]

He's no coward, he'll plant his feet and draw

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/meet-the-sniper-gif-9022732005398095940

[serene orbit]

Alternatively

[terse idol]

Urgh

Yeah go back to no mobi

[south garnet]

lol yea

[serene orbit]

Alternatively

[umbral scaffold]

[sage agate]

vgh

[terse idol]

Bettah

[serene orbit]

The results when I'm out of goddamn dockets

[sage agate]

seeing any weapon below 360 hurts me mentally

[serene orbit]

Did I hear damage dump stat?

[crude ermine]

The meta stat distribution

The meta of all time

[pastel geode]

Just let be burn materials to push all the sliders to 100% please fatshark

[sage agate]

cant wait tot see how we get past 80%

either dumping mats to push it 1% or you get to go to the casino again

[crude ermine]

Probably Option B

[sage agate]

WOOOO I LOVE GAMBLING

[serene orbit]

Option B is the one that results in players spending more time grinding

So..

[crude ermine]

Expecting anything other than that is just Huffington thy copiumus

[south garnet]

it's lore accurate that the rewards for playing missions make you miserable

[torn gorge]

after all rejects are what the name implies

[serene orbit]

what I expect is to just require a mountain of plasteel and diamantine for a Red item, and itll be a random stat upgrade, giving you the opportunity to fail at perfecting your orange

and no, you can't reroll your upgrade. this is so you're more involved in the crafting process

[crude ermine]

Yeah that basically is just spot on for how the legacy of crafting has shown us

[south garnet]

I would hope for a minimum 380 base at the very least

But I do assume it will be more RNG

[sage agate]

true

having too much control over crafting the stats would ruin the point of gambling for good weapons

[crude ermine]

Yeah

The only thing I really hate about crafting is probably the fact that some of the blessings that exist for the sake of existing

Like terrifying barrage

[tall torrent]

Make terrifying barrage suppress shotgunners

Then it would be no longer useless

[crude ermine]

People would still not choose over others it but it would at least have a purpose so I can see that

[muted knot]

Any advice on a hellbore build?

[south garnet]

my main issue isn't even necessarily with the gambling element, my issue is that GAMBLING IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN

[serene bough]

I've played nearly 900 hours and I've seen 2 380s

[south garnet]

There is ZERO fun involved in this shit

all misery

[serene orbit]

I used this as a base: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a9d0af2-4b3f-467d-a70e-6f4f8213b1da/veteran-watchmaster

[tall torrent]

Which helbore, and by build do u mean perk & blessing, or talent tree

[serene orbit]

changed a few things here and there for my Mk II and personal preference

[crude ermine]

At least the other game I have a gambling addiction with is more fun with it so if you get unlucky you at least get something to increase your odds

[muted knot]

talents for mk1

[serene orbit]

It's a more support oriented Helbore build. If you want more pewpew you can go more left side than center

[muted knot]

need to try this baby out

[terse idol]

Which Genchin?

[serene bough]

I dont find crafting fun ever but it would help if there were some failsafe measures to reduce rng

[terse idol]

[crude ermine]

Arknights

[terse idol]

Yoo

[crude ermine]

I played Genshin once then got off, wasn't my cup of tea but I did like the characters

[tall torrent]

This works for both Mk1 and Mk2 Helbore

[terse idol]

Not too shabby, I haven't tried either
The art style just ain't for me

[tall torrent]

You really do not need suppression immunity for helbore

[serene orbit]

roger

[tall torrent]

Helbore & plasma are naturally resistant to suppression

[crude ermine]

Pretty fair

[south garnet]

but not to depression

[tall torrent]

HB3 is naturally vulnerable to depression

[crude ermine]

If you're using plasma you get a higher res than helbore

[muted knot]

ty

[serene orbit]

Is it worth dropping Focus Fire talents in favor of Desperado?

[serene bough]

I thought suppression effects were only felt when ADS

[tall torrent]

The build I have has desperado

Redirect fire is just a very solid team dmg buff, target down (toughness & stamina regain) is also a good choice

It’s just that reciprocity + desperado is very strong and I like my melee to not suck

[south garnet]

this is what I use for helbore 1

[serene bough]

Repricocity/desperado are usually must picks in most of my builds

[serene orbit]

hmm, okay

[serene bough]

Sometimes I squeeze in trench fighter but not necessary since it's only 10%

[south garnet]

Agile engagement applies between the gun part and the stab part

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity + desperado gives your melee up to like 40% crit chance and that is insane

[serene bough]

Yeah they're too good to pass

[muted knot]

what to change here ?

[serene bough]

Unless you're trying as hard as you can to stay out of melee

[tall torrent]

Trench fighter is good but not necessary, I prefer better dmg breakpoints over better atk speed

[serene orbit]

What blessings on the Vraks Mk III? Headhunter and Deadly Accurate?

[crude ermine]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Honestly, you could change whatever

I’d prob just upgrade surgical to 4

[crude ermine]

Then bring one of the perks to 25

[tall torrent]

HB1 is not hard to get both gunner 1 taps

As long as u get the 15% elite node

[muted knot]

is carapace/maniac right ?

[tall torrent]

HB1 perks can vary a lot

[crude ermine]

Very versatile

[wet elk]

how do you unlock the twins teleport bell?

i did the bells but we failed the kill on hardmode damnation

can i just go easiest diff, do bells and it gets uncloked?

[tall torrent]

I had to beat it on HM damnation to get hard mode bells

[south garnet]

You have to do the bells, then kill them and finish the mission

Easier to do that on a lower diff so you can get access to the teleport to try on higher diff

[dusty sluice]

how does this do with the brauto?

[tall torrent]

Not the greatest

[dusty sluice]

seems pretty nice

[slow spade]

it does work but better off just throwing a krak or using a power sword

[dusty sluice]

i'm assuming it would be much better with the columnus v

[wanton dawn]

Onslaugh issue is that most gun will kill before you get value out of it

Or, you are better off with other weapon

[dusty sluice]

this is more vs cara

[wanton dawn]

So hitting the sweet spot is hard

[tall torrent]

Even with max onslaught stacks you’re not shredding carapace as fast as if u just used better anti-carapace weapons

[wanton dawn]

While it does improve your carapace dmg a lot, it is usually lot enough to justify using those gun vs carapace

For reference, the best rending option available is handcannon

[tall torrent]

Shooting carapace in the first place is usually a heavy ammo deficit

And you’re still not getting the best TTK with onslaught

Excluding Columnus mk5

[wanton dawn]

Handcannon is a whopping 60% frontloaded

Onslaugh is 40% after 16 shot

[tall torrent]

The other thing is that
Carapace rend/brittle caps out at 50% unlike other armor types

[wraith locust]

its ok on the columnus

only gun i use it on

[dusty sluice]

fair ig i'm just using it as i had a spare point

[wraith locust]

sometimes

[tall torrent]

Honestly
Bring a melee that kills carapace, and put that point to +25 toughness or smth

[wanton dawn]

Rending strike is usually better than onslaugh. It is better against flak and maniac rather than against carapace

[tall torrent]

Veteran has many anti-carapace melee options rn

Combat axe, power sword, pickaxe shovel, chainaxe, even knife if you’re into that

[dusty sluice]

i'm using chaxe and agri brauto

[wanton dawn]

As for our best ranged anti-carapace: you usually skip rending

[tall torrent]

Then just skip onslaught cuz u won’t make enough value out of it

[dusty sluice]

fair

[tall torrent]

Become a deadshot braced autogun user

[dusty sluice]

guh?

also why do i really never see people taking the suppression immunity?

[tall torrent]

Helbore & plasma have built-in suppression immunity
Exe stance gives suppression immunity while active
Braced autoguns and shotguns kind of don’t care

If you’re running infantry lasgun / headhunter autogun, suppression immunity is very good

[dusty sluice]

wait helbore and plasma do?

[torn gorge]

ye but are you really running inf lasgun without ES?

[tall torrent]

Yea you cannot get suppressed while using those 2 weapons

[terse idol]

I take it exclusively with my Ia or mxii lastun

[tall torrent]

I think laspistol is also very resistant to suppression?

[torn gorge]

ye

[dusty sluice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9af548b4-ce87-4cda-96d4-3f13b1ba4cb7/vet-3-headhunter so what changes would you make?

[torn gorge]

hard to get swayed off

[bright ocean]

I haven't seen any notes, but did they rebalance the infantry autoguns?

[torn gorge]

they are arguably overperforming in the current state

[tall torrent]

Drop rending strikes for a stamina regen delay reduction node

If you already have mk3 shovel to kill armor, u shouldn’t need rend

[bright ocean]

Yeah, Columnus is pretty damn strong. Just curious if they've shuffled them a little?

[dusty sluice]

i forgot i left it on lmao

[tall torrent]

I would also say, this set-up u have is really not good at killing unyielding

Shovel doesn’t have great unyielding dmg

[torn gorge]

they buffed total reserves and iirc the also buffed damage a bit

on IAG

[tall torrent]

So monsters could be a problem

[dusty sluice]

the headhunter seems to do pretty ok boss dmg

[wraith locust]

Bc the other option is weakspot lol

[torn gorge]

speaking of shovels, what are people running atm on foldable?

[tall torrent]

I’d prob drop 5% melee and duck & dive

Get suppression immunity

And probably take pathing through krak grenade over frags

Just to cover that boss weakness

[terse idol]

Just take both

If youre doing a marksmen build its easy

Frankly almost nessasary to take suppression resistance if you're building exclusively to kill gunners with a lasgun

[torn gorge]

HH7 kinda claps bosses if you can click heads

at least up until your gun start shaking horribly

[tall torrent]

I also kind of don’t like to go LS+ET on top of COD+CK but it’s ur build

Too much point investment into toughness regain

[rotund bobcat]

Aight guys. I want you to check this out and give your two cents.
This is my favorite Vet personal build that I've been pretty stoked about for a while.

Please share your opinion and if God wills it, constructive criticism.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9afd8b2a-8d4f-4874-ade3-461bb6b4ae99/chainaxe-chad

[sharp ember]

a mixture of UncannyStrike/Skullcrusher/Decimator/Thrust

[tall torrent]

For mk7, uncanny + take a swing

[sharp ember]

Limbsplitter is only for trying to fish for funny crusher 1shot

[tall torrent]

Mk7 push atk combo has 3 overheads in a row

[torn gorge]

i was running limbsplitter atm

and thrust

but

[tall torrent]

All 3 get buffed by take a swing

[torn gorge]

while the former is quite nice on hordes it just takes a million years for poxies

[terse idol]

Limb splitter is eh

Like

You can hit it on one

Then it just turns off

[flint garden]

when it gets reset by every single hit for some reason

[sharp ember]

I recommend the mk3 shovel if you want to use the spike special with multiple enemies nearby, it yanks out faster from heavy attack

but i do like the mk7 moveset in general

[torn gorge]

i like mk3 specifically for the push attack into 3 lights combo

vs hordes

no wait

[viral nacelle]

Dang that axe in the picture is like guaranteed to chop your own dick off

[torn gorge]

i got confuses

thats the new chainsword

[serene orbit]

Hmmm

[torn gorge]

[rotund bobcat]

I trust in the Emperor that it will find its mark every time.

[torn gorge]

hows mk3 foldable vs hordes?

with the oblique swings

[torn gorge]

are there any meaningful breakpoints to hit with perks?

[sharp ember]

you can do heavy > light loop with it just fine, or light spam with push attacks mixed in

[torn gorge]

i have this one sitting

i know that heavy>light loop requires some push attack mixed in vs high density so its not an infinitely repeatable loop

at least on mk7

[midnight totem]

alas

blew 500k to get two chainsword xg13s above 370

bricked both

[eternal flare]

where is the pin for the diffrence for melee marks

[bright ocean]

Which is the best las gun? Recon?

[torn gorge]

if only

[wraith locust]

Helbores or laspistol

[bright ocean]

I wanna build something new with a lasgun. Kinda bored with IAG and Plasma

[terse idol]

Recon is saddly

The worst weapon in the game

[slate sleet]

wrong

[terse idol]

Not that I'm gonna tell you not to use it

But it's bad

[slate sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/uncut-gems-disagree-i-disagree-adam-sandler-eye-glasses-gif-17788346

[bright ocean]

Sad, it use to be really good last time I ran with it.

[terse idol]

What cha' got

It got nerfed into the dirt

The nirt even

[terse idol]

Try helbore mk1 or mk2

Bayonetta slaps

And its a half decent gun too

[bright ocean]

Those sort of pigeon hole you into marksman like gameplay.

Maybe the las pistol...

[terse idol]

Well you can make it work

Because of the bayonett

Las pistol is

[wraith locust]

Laspistol is fun

It’s good too

[terse idol]

DEFINETLY geared towards sniper though

[wraith locust]

Not amazing

But decent

[terse idol]

Longer ranges

Crits

[tall torrent]

Flak is alright

[wraith locust]

Laspistol better close range bc of blessing

[bright ocean]

Is it the Kantrael heavy las pistol or the OG?

[sharp ember]

both laspistols are a bit stingy because of their damage falloff

but the slower kantrael laspistol with deadshot is pretty good

for popping heads at a distance when needed

i think accatran laspistol gets more value out of dumdum because it's faster and 1 less ammo cost though

[umbral scaffold]

tfw a pack for 10 shotgunners spawn infront of you and pushes you insta off a cliff

[light sequoia]

I just love the new revolver. It is great to maintain Executioner stance and keep up killing highlighted targets

though got to build more for mid to close range encounters

[torn gorge]

or when a handful spawn as you are sliding around a corner and push you off the map

[fierce steeple]

what to change? I know charge rate is kinda yucky but tbh I dont find myself charging shots too often.

[bright ocean]

Now I just need Hadron to not brick this las pistol.

[lucid hinge]

infested to maniac imo

but you could get unyielding instead

[fierce steeple]

yah I usually run either maniac or unyielding on my other ones.

[fierce steeple]

but i dont have a neckbeard or weigh 300 lbs, I dont qualify to join

[slate sleet]

it literally does not matter

what you run

on the small ppgun

bee yourself

[true axle]

Those the best perks for Plasmaguns?

[fierce steeple]

yah

[fierce steeple]

change volatile to blaze away.

[torn gorge]

legit question why uncanny over decimator?

decimator now progress with heavy attacks so you can reliably hit max stacks during a wave

[sharp ember]

you can argue a lot of perks for plasma gun depending on who you want to kill in less shots

[torn gorge]

and that means 2 instakills per swing

[terse idol]

Best perks are gets hot and blaze it

Volatile is...

[tall torrent]

Preference I guess? I never liked decimator much because it’s way harder to maintain

[terse idol]

The more I think about it the worst it is for standard pgun gameplay rn

[midnight mortar]

*blessings

[torn gorge]

you do not find shovel slow at clearing hordes when solo?

[true axle]

Right on, i will when I find a Blaze Away

[tall torrent]

If I’m packing a shovel I’m just gonna expect it to clear hordes slow no matter what I do

[terse idol]

You can hit gets hot with glory hunter too

If you dont have blaze away

Glory hunter will atleast keep you survivable

I would recommend testing your pgun to try and see if you can meet the dredge gunner BP

[sharp ember]

I hear +10% Elites is really nice for reaching dreg gunner 1shot while still helping on other things

probably depends on your damage roll though

and talent nodes

[terse idol]

I've seen like

80dmg 80sp

Still not meet it

40 damage off

[sharp ember]

there is a solution

Fire Team aura

[lunar frost]

is there any reason to run anything other than the ammo aura?

[slate sleet]

there is plenty of ammo on the map

[terse idol]

Yeah

[slate sleet]

you dont need ammo aura most of the time

[terse idol]

Being a chad

no

I mean I joke about it

The others are

a tiiny bit lack luster

[lunar frost]

5% move speed or damage just seems worthless

and boring

[terse idol]

But i wouldn't force survivalist on anyone who doesn't want it

[slate sleet]

5% is way better if you run focus target vet, not every game has a bunch of vets in it my games are usually me as the only vet a psyker and zealot / ogryn who hardly use their guns

[azure hamlet]

Anyone got any help for veteran pennance do not get hit by melee enemies on malice or higher

[lunar frost]

like especially in higher difficulties, ammo on elite kills seems awesome

[lunar frost]

probably just stick in the backline and play with a taunting ogryn

[wraith lion]

Hey vets, Graia is the high recoil/damage iag right

[lunar frost]

especially an ogryn running attention seeker

[sharp ember]

if you can save a node point skipping survivalist go wild

[terse idol]

Howsoever?

How so?

[sharp ember]

it's agripinaa

[torpid sundial]

man I like the helbore a lot but its just so slow at what it does and it takes forever to pull out the gun when swapping to it

[terse idol]

Its not mobility it's

Movement speed

Which is weird

[slate sleet]

you are providing 17% damage increase to everyone at all times

[terse idol]

10% mobility would be sick

[wraith lion]

Thanks

[slate sleet]

it really makes a difference on psyker

[tall torrent]

Which helbore are u using

[torpid sundial]

3

I tried 2 as well

[lunar frost]

17%

[ebon umbra]

fireteam aura in premades 😻

[lunar frost]

the aura is 5%

[terse idol]

Hmm? Which are ta talking about

Oh

[tall torrent]

Oh yea mk3 is pretty divisive

[terse idol]

You're talking about the 5% extra damage

[south garnet]

just had someone say "that's the best helbore I've ever seen on damnation"
all I did the entire match was use it to spear people lmao

[terse idol]

the secret is everyone is running the calculations to meet their own breakpoints

[lunar frost]

LMAO

[torpid sundial]

Like why use it over the revolver

[terse idol]

5% isn't meeting many breakpoints that people haven't already

[torpid sundial]

maybe I just dont know how to use it well

[slate sleet]

5% from aura, 12% perma from constantly marking targets and maintaining 8 stacks of redirect fire

[terse idol]

Okay no wait

You can get a flat 32% for your whole team

With focus target

On 8 stacks

[lunar frost]

redirect fire is already not a great keystone icl

[torpid sundial]

I like the bayonet but it cant really help you in a horde

[tall torrent]

Mk3 helbore is in a weird spot
Mk1 and mk2 are very different from mk3 and are significantly more versatile

[slate sleet]

reddit take

[terse idol]

[lunar frost]

the 5% on top of the keystone is really just not doing anything

[slate sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/uncut-gems-disagree-i-disagree-adam-sandler-eye-glasses-gif-17788346

[terse idol]

Fireteam just isn't good because people in auric damn build for bp's

[true axle]

If i’m shooting the Pgun I’d hope my teammates are keeping me from getting hit so i don’t need to recover toughness.
How do i figure out what breakpoints are?

[terse idol]

I dont make my build accounting for fire team

[lunar frost]

me when I wait 16 seconds to stack my redirect fire up to 8 without using my tagging feature a single time

[terse idol]

So you go into the psykanarium

[lunar frost]

despite tagging elites being incredibly important

[south garnet]

almost none of my builds use keystones at this point

[terse idol]

And see if you can one tap head shot a dredge gunner uncharged

[lunar frost]

on veteran, the keystones are just so mid

[tall torrent]

This is exactly how you’re not supposed to be using the middle keystone

[true axle]

Oh ok fair haha

[ebon umbra]

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

[terse idol]

Yuhh

I mean its good practice to do it yourself once you know

[empty root]

What is a good melee weapon to pair with plasma gun vet

[ebon umbra]

but yea psykhanium gaming

[lunar frost]

I know, that's why I disagree with people talking about the 32% damage increase

[terse idol]

That also works but I've never used that tool

[lunar frost]

as if you always have that up

[slate sleet]

redirect fire adds on to whatever stacks you have

you can mark something for 1 stack it will just get eaten up by redirect and refresh the duration

[lunar frost]

I know

but again, you're refershing a 7.5% damage buff continuously

not very valuable

[grizzled shale]

is there somewhere that specifies which guns cleave?

[terse idol]

Well I should say its 32 for bigger targets

[tall torrent]

The middle keystone is strong because it refreshes to a minimum of 2 stacks after the tagged target is killed

So it’s really meant to be used as: tag, kill very quickly, tag another, kill very quickly, repeat

Every tag target gets +8% damage because 2 stacks, and redirect fire gives +7.5% on top of that so your whole team gains +15.5% against that target

[lunar frost]

yeah, if you wait for 16 seconds

[terse idol]

If thats what ya mean

Its not 16 is it?

I mean

It'll charge when you put it onto a target

[tall torrent]

You’re not supposed to “wait for it to build stacks”

[terse idol]

So you kill crusher

[lunar frost]

it's ok but just not really worth putting the amount of points in that it costs

[terse idol]

And after it's dead you get another 32% for the next

[tall torrent]

It’s 2 points for 15.5% more damage for your whole team

[torpid sundial]

How bad is the autopistol?

[lunar frost]

15.5% against elites is literally less than some single perks give you

e.g 20% damage against ogryns, free and one skill point

[slate sleet]

ok but get this

[torn gorge]

if you take 8 max stacks you also build stacks faster passively

[empty root]

It's team wide isn't it

[lunar frost]

not bad at all

[slate sleet]

what if you have both?

insane concept

[torn gorge]

so the time to max stacks is still the same

[torpid sundial]

its not? huh

[lunar frost]

simply not true

[slate sleet]

do some research before you come gawking in here

[torpid sundial]

Ive tried every gun type but autopistol and infantry lasguns

[tall torrent]

You already path through 20% Ogryn to get to the keystone so that’s a non-issue

That 15.5% applies to every elite, every boss and every specialist

[lunar frost]

bro is so angry that I disagree with him

[torpid sundial]

so far I like the heavy lazpistol and revolver the most

[lunar frost]

I know, but I'd rather take my points to a different tree at that point

[slate sleet]

yeah im absolutely livid over this internet argument

[torn gorge]

was it fixed?

[slate sleet]

[lunar frost]

revolver is goated rn

[torn gorge]

because it totally used to work that way

[lunar frost]

the skill tree doesn't imply in any way that increasing your max stacks makes you gain stacks faster

[tall torrent]

There aren’t really that many talents that are straight up better than great uptime +15.5% damage for whole team, but I could see a few being more valuable depending on the weapons you’re taking

[torn gorge]

it does not, but ingame it did provide increase

[lunar frost]

normally people don't start insulting when they're not angry over a simple optimisation disagreement

[terse idol]

You get a higher bonus

For having more stacks

It... could be worth it

[empty root]

What is a good melee weapon for plasma gun vet

[terse idol]

Oh my god yall making me consider fire team aura

[slate sleet]

you are a literal fresh joiner who came in here to spout meta copy paste opinions and dismiss anything else because you have never even considered looking into it

[terse idol]

A whole 25 percent

[empty root]

Is power sword BIS?

[terse idol]

Chiiilll

[lunar frost]

if you build into a grenadier type build that I like to build into, you just don't have the points for the middle tree keystone

[empty root]

Or chain sword

[terse idol]

Oh my goodness

Its not cool

[tall torrent]

And it doesn’t, which is why the 8 stack modifier is pretty meh

Just redirect fire itself is very good, target down is also very good

[lunar frost]

and I think having so many grenades is just more powerful

[terse idol]

We all here to learn 🥹

[slate sleet]

considering what i read in here

barely anyone is

[lunar frost]

yeah that makes more sense to me

[south garnet]

not me

[midnight totem]

whats being argued today?

[terse idol]

That's okay no need to get hostile

[south garnet]

I HATE learning

[lunar frost]

see now this kind of comment makes it really hard not to belive you're getting angry

[tall torrent]

I take both demo team and demo stockpile, and I can afford to take middle keystone

[slate sleet]

they really need to add the metaslave section so people can take their copy pasted plasma opinions there

[lunar frost]

my brother in christ, I just disagree with you, you don't need to get so defensive

I just want to talk about what other people might consider a more meta pick for veteran skills

[terse idol]

Is 8 not that worth it

[lunar frost]

oh that's interesting

[terse idol]

Hmm

[lunar frost]

not in my opinion

[slate sleet]

you dont know me all you are doing is assuming shit over the internet over the way someone types

[midnight totem]

Other people with ranged plasma, me with agile engagement and a melee vet

[terse idol]

Niso you did throw out an insilt

Let's just

Take a step nack

🥹

[lunar frost]

niso please, I'm not saying anything personal against you

I just play the game differently

[grizzled shale]

wrongly*

[lunar frost]

and you're saying I know nothing about you, yet you're simultaneously just making several assumptions about why I'm here and where I've come from

hypocricy and rude

[umbral scaffold]

Good morning #veteran-class

[tall torrent]

It’s not worth imo because it doesn’t change the minimum stack refresh to be higher than 2, and in actual combat you typically don’t have the time for it to build stacks higher than 5

So in practical terms it’s just extra +4.5% dmg for redirect fire, assuming you’ve already taken redirect fire

If you take 8 stacks without redirect fire, you just don’t know what you’re doing and that’s ok, everybody learns

[torpid sundial]

do people always take the upper middle tree because of Close Order Drill? Or is longshot rarely ever used? Because exhilarating takedown seems more useful to me

[terse idol]

Oh right it is worth it more with redirect fire

[lunar frost]

also I really like how you've done this build

I'll probably try it

[terse idol]

Cause of the buff

[tall torrent]

I run it with HB1 / HB2 / Plasma, paired with Rashad axe

[slate sleet]

actually im not going to type this shit out i jus realised i dont care

focus fire is bad

[lunar frost]

ok nice

opinions on power sword?

[tall torrent]

It’s fun but don’t crutch on it too hard

[torpid sundial]

power cycler doesnt exist in my game

[tall torrent]

I consider power sword a low point-investment melee option

[lunar frost]

?

wdym

[terse idol]

How come

[hasty reef]

I like focus fire :cc

[tall torrent]

Just don’t argue lol, leave it

[torpid sundial]

I mean Ive been farming it for a while but I cant find the blessing

[terse idol]

[torpid sundial]

Just my luck

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/512688851320569906.webp?size=48&name=aquaSmug&quality=lossless

[lunar frost]

ah right

shame

[torn gorge]

it is rarer compared to most other blessings

for whatever reason

[torpid sundial]

considering there's no power cycler 3

[lunar frost]

from what I've heard, you don't necessarily NEED power cycler on the power sword

[tall torrent]

There is

[lunar frost]

stuff like rampage and brutal moment are insane on the power sword

[torpid sundial]

wait

oh right

there is

[lunar frost]

it goes up to 4 right?

[torpid sundial]

okay yeah then its just me

[terse idol]

Power cycler just enhances BM

[torpid sundial]

there's pc 3 and 4

[terse idol]

So hard

[tall torrent]

Yea, lv3 and lv4

[empty root]

Power cycler required to make power sword good?

[torn gorge]

4 is 2 swings 3 is just 1 swing

bonus

[umbral scaffold]

How come, not because I wanna argue but because I’m a noob and I don’t know

[torpid sundial]

only 1 swing makes it quite hard to work with

[wanton dawn]

I am doing some mod testing, here is one to check charismatic radius

[torpid sundial]

against carapace stuff

[empty root]

Focus fire is objectively the best keystone, people are just being contrarian

[slate sleet]

meta slaves you mean

its not weapons expert so its bad

[dusty sluice]

hadron moment

[white minnow]

the two extremes of it's bad and it's the best

anyways marksman best

[lunar frost]

nice

[umbral scaffold]

Who even plays the meta, play what’s fun or looks cool :P

[lunar frost]

holy SHIT

[slate sleet]

my fav is when people dont even know what it does

[lunar frost]

awesome roll

[slate sleet]

start saying its not good

why?

[dusty sluice]

unfortunately this is what i need lmao

[slate sleet]

once you actually look into what the keystone and its addons do you will ask yourself why did i even take wep specialist to begin with

[umbral scaffold]

Can’t you just respec whenever tho

[lunar frost]

BASED

[lunar frost]

icl you need to stop

[south garnet]

hypocrisy democracy apostacy philosophy socrates mac'n cheese bed full of fleas

there's my rap

[ebon umbra]

this is just cruel

[grizzled shale]

what if my tag is just my left click is it still ok

[umbral scaffold]

Good rap

[umbral scaffold]

Old Netherlands flag?

[wanton dawn]

I cant get it to stick in one place, so trap it is

[sharp ember]

it's going to be annoying AND a waste of stacks when you keep switching targets looking at an elite horde

[dusty sluice]

people who use left or right click tag really gets annoying, it spam marks, and if you need to mark smth important and keep on it it won't stay

[quick steeple]

you also wont have control of stack gain and just be applying 1-2

[dusty sluice]

aroace

[main dock]

Is there a sweet spot I should be aiming for on heretic heads when using an Infantry Lasgun? Before the latest couple updates I could pretty reliably land headshots, but now I'm having issues with it.

[midnight totem]

yes?

[umbral scaffold]

Oh

[quick steeple]

lower your dpi

[main dock]

dpi?

[lunar frost]

lmao

[umbral scaffold]

I think that’s mouse sensitivity or something

[main dock]

I'm on Xbox

[south garnet]

makes you think huh

[umbral scaffold]

Yknow I don’t even think Xbox would be bad if you could use mouse and keyboard on every game

[grizzled shale]

dang bro my bad i shoulda really considered how much it annoys you first

[main dock]

Even when testing in the hologram, it seems like center-head shots don't count as headshots.

[cerulean void]

if consoles had full M&K support I'd never have bought a PC

[umbral scaffold]

Should I use the beast of nurgle theme as my alarm clock

[dusty sluice]

iv'e seen many people get kicked for doing that lol

[grizzled shale]

sure bro

[main dock]

That depends, do you want to wake up in a panic?

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

[dusty sluice]

(iv'e turned off marking sounds)

[cerulean void]

I'll always try to votekick someone who has attack or aim bound to ping, it's just annoying even without the sfx

[main dock]

Then it's either that or the Cloaker sound effect

[dusty sluice]

very good of fs to add this

[cerulean void]

my alarm is "GO, KILL SOME HERETICS. Good Varlet."

[terse idol]

No but like sorry it is 🥹

[dusty sluice]

same

[terse idol]

FS needs to add a limit but then it would make Focus target feel weird

[umbral scaffold]

It would be even cooler of fat shark to add solo bots so I can play it like it’s 40k Left 4 Dead

[cerulean void]

oh so like their last game, Vermintide 2?

[torn gorge]

[cerulean void]

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve never played vermintide 2

[wind echo]

save me rinda karnak….save me

[umbral scaffold]

Left 4 Dead is fun tho

I mean obviously solo bots wouldn’t make it EXACTLY like L4D

[terse idol]

Its fun

[umbral scaffold]

But it would mean that you don’t have to worry about teammates who won’t stick together

[terse idol]

The more I think about it the more I realise its harder than darltide

Daryl tide

[umbral scaffold]

Stroke

[terse idol]

😌

[cerulean void]

yeah vermintide is way harder than Darktide

[quick steeple]

considering how dumb the vet/zel AI is, i shudder at the thought of a psyker bot

[umbral scaffold]

Who is Daryl and why is there a tide of him

[terse idol]

He's just a rat of abnormal size

[dusty sluice]

is the old shovel still good?

[umbral scaffold]

It’s cool

[cerulean void]

never was not good

[umbral scaffold]

https://img.ifunny.co/images/537e76b8e543d246cc846163c8fee6b3a77b373b3dd0aa358c1bcb959e002dba_1.gif

Shovels and bayonets are cool

[terse idol]

Decimator, skull crusher

Clonk

[dusty sluice]

anything to change or bricked?

[terse idol]

The game

[cerulean void]

shovels are dumby flexible, like knives

[umbral scaffold]

I always wondered why they never brought skeevers to 40k as a form of mutant humans

[terse idol]

take skulk crusher away from that... THING

[cerulean void]

oh they're there

[terse idol]

I would take skull crusher

[umbral scaffold]

I think it would make total sense to have mutant rat men living in deep in the hive cities

[umbral scaffold]

They are?

[cerulean void]

there's voice lines of ratling snipers

[terse idol]

Trauma sucks, stamina sucks, crit chance sucks

[sharp ember]

trauma to Uncanny Strike, Decimator, or Thrust. And Crit to Flak. Otherwise strip Skullcrusher

[cerulean void]

and yeah, WH40k lore is expansive

you got rat mutants, catpeople

[dusty sluice]

why keep stam?

[cerulean void]

orangutangs that are way better at tech than anyone else and just have fun making things

[terse idol]

In the vast universe of 40k, there are most defiently an abhuman that looks like a skaven

We got

Felinids

[wanton dawn]

Alright, so thoughness reduction stat node stack additively, and each thoughness talent node with stack mechanism are also additive with themselves. But they apply multiplicatively with each other

[terse idol]

We got beastmen

Heck, Ogrynns technically are xenos too

[umbral scaffold]

Wait shit I’ve been calling Skaven skeevers lol

[terse idol]

Theyre just friend shaped

[umbral scaffold]

Like the rats from Skyrim

[sharp ember]

for pushing and block-revives, stamina is good and more dependable than whenever you think +4% crit chance will make a difference

[wanton dawn]

I cant test born leader cuz I cant see bots toughness

[dusty sluice]

i wonder who the furry/ies in gw lmao

[quick steeple]

compared to the CC at least you'll get more value - blockss / shovecounter etc

lesser of 2 evil

[terse idol]

Now I will be fair to say

[umbral scaffold]

If I found a genie I would ask him for an Ogryn bodyguard, supposedly they are very loyal in canon

[terse idol]

Felinids probably look more human than cat

[cerulean void]

that's like asking who's the WWII history buff

[terse idol]

But in my head they're definetly just cat furries

[cerulean void]

reject catboys and catgirls

accept depressed catmen on their fifth scotch

[umbral scaffold]

Embrace mankind

I mean

Whatever you said

[dusty sluice]

pen too low orrr?

[junior needle]

If you have uncanny it's not the worst

Because rending

Bigger issue is the rolls are looking scuffy already

[dusty sluice]

yeah

i mean cara is ok ig

[cerulean void]

it's better on that than base

[quick steeple]

i'd attempt a pre-swap to t4 uncanny then roll purp see if perk comes out good, if t4 on point maybe gamba and get lucky

[junior needle]

Oh that's the 7 shovel

[dusty sluice]

i don't have one :(

[junior needle]

If it's already rolled to something you don't want then there's no point to changing it

[dusty sluice]

also hadron refuses to give me t4 perks, in almost 500 hrs i have only ever got 3

[junior needle]

If you change it to uncanny and you want uncanny, you're lowering the amount of blessings you want in the pool for your second slot

And increasing the amount of blessings you dont want

[wanton dawn]

Full thoughness refill by nade

Too bad vanguard is probably the worst t1 talent

[cerulean void]

me, enjoying taking vanguard because knife:

[wanton dawn]

Oh yeah, you can take vanguard on melee build but close order drill is way more useful

[cerulean void]

it goes on a melee build?

I just put it on every build because positioning

[wanton dawn]

It is mostly about talent ROI

[midnight totem]

vanguard is the 20 percent sprint efficiency right?

[ebon umbra]

yep

[midnight totem]

I take vanguard because it leads to the 5 percent movespeed node

[wanton dawn]

yup. It is about as good as a curios perk

[midnight totem]

also because veteran has the worst stamina management

[ebon umbra]

mid tree is stonks, who would@have thonkered

[bright ocean]

God damn, yeah. The Kant pistol is pretty solid. Rips Maulers and other armored as if they're dreg shotgunners.

[ebon umbra]

i am shocked how low exhilarating takedown and confirmed kill is on the tree. especially confirmed kill

[tall torrent]

Wait what, TDR stacks additively?

What does that mean

[wanton dawn]

Only with "itself" or with "same stats nodes"

So close order drills stacks are additive

same for exhil takedown

But they mutliply with one another

[dusty sluice]

still have no clue what this means

[tall torrent]

Ok, but COD doesn’t stack with IW to get 83% TDR

Right?

It’s x0.66 x0.5

[wanton dawn]

yes

But the 5% and 10% thoughness reduction node also stack additively

So there is that

[merry gale]

enemies are less likely to target you basically

[tall torrent]

So those 2 stack additively into 15%

[wanton dawn]

yup

[inland orchid]

Director doesn’t much care for u as much as ur teammates

[merry gale]

only work if they can target ur teammates

[tall torrent]

But that 10% TDR node is kinda sad competing against stamina regen delay reduction

[dusty sluice]

oh thats annyoing for team

[merry gale]

No fuck the team

[inland orchid]

It can change mad quick back to u as well if u do a fuck ton of damage after the stealth, so it ain’t all bad

[merry gale]

run raking fire on the columnus and slap that shit on

[wanton dawn]

Well, consider the following: if you take close order drill and go into VoC, you already have up to 37% thoughness reduction at any given time. Its pretty good considering that it is almost no investment

[tall torrent]

Hold up, does 5% TDR stack additively with COD?

[wanton dawn]

nah, i simplified

[tall torrent]

ok

[wanton dawn]

Also I don't see decimal number so I need to work with round damage

66.7 to 62.9 reduction. I did some funky rounding

In any case, I still don't like exhil takedown

[golden nacelle]

Finally rolled a better plasma. Opinions to tweak it?

[cerulean void]

if you do it right and have a build that can punch out damage, it can actually save a lot of time because juggling aggro between two people gives a LOT of room to unload into HVTs

[wanton dawn]

Get hot over gloryhunter seems like best choice. For perk both are good

[cerulean void]

I'd up unyielding for more monster damage but that's just me

then again, I don't use plasma

[wanton dawn]

It is more about: what you want to lock at 20% instead of being a flex choice

I'd probably lock unyielding as well

[cerulean void]

hel if you want you could just change both blessings and play with a plasma gun's various blessings on a whim

I keep a gun or two around like that

[golden nacelle]

Blazer away 3 is best in slot

Because there is no level 4

[wanton dawn]

I need to test rending strike on my bayonet build. But it is so annoying to test

[golden nacelle]

I honestly kinda like the glory hunter too haha, but gets hot is also appealing

[wanton dawn]

I need it to OS flak shotgunner without flak perks

Also dreg bruiser

[cerulean void]

extra toughness is nice but toughness blessings on vet usually take the place of damage or crit, both of which are usually needed because we already have insane toughness economy talents

[golden nacelle]

Yeah charge, that's def fair

[cerulean void]

something like that on a zealot, ogryn, psyker? can totally be done dependent on the weaponry but Vets need their guns to be more gun

I mean, I run toughness on one of my favorite laspistols on my psyker and it slaps because it crits left and right and scrier's gaze already has the damage

[golden nacelle]

I like to play my vet a little melee heavy though

[shadow aurora]

Melee with vet is so much fun

[cerulean void]

make a toughness tank vet with infiltrate

[golden nacelle]

So my plasma gets pulled out for one or two shots to proc agile engagement

[shadow aurora]

I personally prefer a glass canon set up

[wanton dawn]

I also like melee vet

[cerulean void]

I do a high stam build with an infernus las and on overwatch so I can push objectives and revives like it's not the heretics business

[quick steeple]

even in this case, 25% off an elite here/there isnt gonna make a big diff vs positioning/killing a few grunts with a cleave for the same 5x5% return. take Gets Hot so you can really leverage blaze away as you spam big bois

[shadow aurora]

I love infiltrate its so busted. Low profile has such a large bonus that you might as well still be invisible. Pair it with overwatch and every encounter you can slink into the enemies backlines and pick off all there shooters and gunners

[serene bough]

Low profile is balanced by the fact that melee units will still focus you if no one else is close enough

A good perk

[cerulean void]

this is the current build I'm messing with

[shadow aurora]

You can usually pretty easily dispose of them but yeah if theres a mob of melee enemies its best to stick close to your team until you can safely go

[cerulean void]

very fun

[terse idol]

Still would test breakpoint for gunner 1 taps

wheeze

[tiny summit]

Do you really need smokes every 60s?

[terse idol]

This I'd the one thing I'll suggest

[wanton dawn]

yes

[tiny summit]

Demo team superiority

[terse idol]

Better than taking grenade boxes from other folks

[tiny summit]

No 2 talent tax

[quick steeple]

if you want a spicy meme melee bayonet, grab the rend/brittle talents + serrated blade, Infernus blessing and try melting a few monstrositys with the burn/bayo spam 😉

[wanton dawn]

Sorry, I already do spicy melee bayonet

[cerulean void]

true, didn't notice that one

Iron Will is a new addition

[wanton dawn]

This is my most recent spicy maelstrom with bayo

[quick steeple]

delicious

now i wanna go back and optimize my bayo

[cerulean void]

yeah this bit: I try to fit grenade generation into my smoke builds so people don't get upsetti when I snag a grenade box they want to refill one grenade with

[tiny summit]

Monstrous specials I see

[wanton dawn]

I need to play it a bit so I can play reverse uno card when someone call me a dirty meta plasma vet

[quick steeple]

what your current setup look like?

[serene bough]

Grenade regen always must pick

[wanton dawn]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ab4625e-17ea-4457-a4bb-b7d6ad8d3e18/melee-bayonet-veteran-1222

[tiny summit]

Demo team

[cerulean void]

no Sprinkles was in the right here. regen was a holdover from a previous iteration of the build, Iron Will was a new addition and it saved me talent points cause Demo Team was just one talent point off

[terse idol]

I do smoke with tinkerer

Which is like right nearby grenade regen

😌

[cerulean void]

30s clouds go brrr

[terse idol]

There we go that's what I was forgetting

Forgo demo team

Double tax on 30s upgrade

And regen

[cerulean void]

I do love carpeting a field in smokes just to force all the ranged units into Brawlhalla

[quick steeple]

very similar nice

[cerulean void]

gives me that good feelings

[serene bough]

Which one is demo team

[quick steeple]

im toying with marksman and serrated rn for bursty bayo options on VOC pop/boss rend DOT

[serene bough]

Elite kill gives grenade or 60 sec grenade

[tiny summit]

Elite/Specialist kill for 5% grenade

[wanton dawn]

I feel like serrated is too slow. You already OS or 2 shot everything besides carapace and boss

[serene bough]

Ok thnx

Forgot about that talent

[cerulean void]

serrated is really just for knife and proccing mercy killer TBH

[wanton dawn]

Sure, but with bayo you want a weapon with BM

[quick steeple]

the serrated was specifically for an infernus alt i rolled and was testing for a monstrosity killer

[cerulean void]

I can't get away from double DoT stacking HELP

[umbral scaffold]

cop or nah?

[shadow aurora]

They need to nerf survivalist already im trying to get make every shot count done but every lobby has an ammo vet

[cerulean void]

get for when they buff recons

[tiny summit]

Wait until buffs

[terse idol]

Stonkks later

[cerulean void]

I have like... nine recons across my two vets

[tiny summit]

I got it done with a vet with survivalist in the party

[tiny summit]

I will never make 2 of the same classes

[quick steeple]

if using shredder/infernus you can get some crazy dot dmg with the bayo's rend
#veteran-class message

[terse idol]

I just did it on heresey with another vet who ran survivalist with a bolter who tried to also do it

[shadow aurora]

I play on controller the only way i can get this done is by mag dumping my volver into walkers

[terse idol]

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

Do the penance in Karnak boss fight mission

[cerulean void]

I did it purely for blessing farm, but now I kinda like the fact I can swap between female professional and male loose cannon

[shadow aurora]

Whys that?

[quick steeple]

FYI if you get your shots done > melee swap and never go back to ranged the reserve ammo shouldnt count

[shadow aurora]

I dont wanna slow down my team cuz i have no ammo reg heresy would prob be better

[tall torrent]

Because u can use bell to skip directly to the end of the mission, and rodin barely moves while his shield takes x0.6 dmg from guns, so u can very safely dump all ur ammo and then become zealot lite

[shadow aurora]

Gotta end with no ammo

[terse idol]

I mean you could just bring your best melee on heresy twins

[cerulean void]

TBH if your team can't handle no survivalist they don't deserve it

[tall torrent]

It’s very fast and u can get it done under 10 mins

[quick steeple]

mine procced with 6 ammo restored by a vet at end of mission but i never pulled the gun out again

he HAD to shoot out the elevator lol

[white minnow]

if they can't handle me at my survivalist, they don't deserve me at my close and kill

[wanton dawn]

The thing is: against BoN I have kraks, which is the only scenario where I rate krak higher than frags

[quick steeple]

very true

[cerulean void]

I know that the vet movement buff is pretty bad (it's only 5% ;_;) but sometimes that's just what you need to clothesline the flamer/netter/bomber before they get their bit off

[shadow aurora]

You assume id be able to do that with above 90% accuracy. Dont doubt my unskills

[wanton dawn]

Spawn and plogryn are a joke on bayo build anyway

[tall torrent]

If anything they also spawn poxwalkers in the fight so

[shadow aurora]

I was referring to the shoot out of elevator comment mb

I need to reply more

[quick steeple]

an easy way is with plasma esp shitty ammo rolled, just only do charged shot into hordes to burn it out

[tiny summit]

Imagine if bayo could stagger like ogryn shovel punch

[tall torrent]

But yea the Karnak mission makes several penances a lot easier now

[cerulean void]

or take the new revolver with no ammo reserves talent 😄

[tall torrent]

On Overwatch
MESC
Flesh Wound

[quick steeple]

facts

[shadow aurora]

Im bad with plasma. Revolver doesnt require skill

[cerulean void]

yeehaw

[umbral scaffold]

wat

[sour elbow]

FINALLY

[quick steeple]

@wanton dawn btw whats your scoreboard customization look like? i like your layout w/ loadoutmgr included

[cerulean void]

blessed omnissiah I hope I get lasgun HHIV soon

[quick steeple]

or is it one of the premades

[cerulean void]

don't even have III

[umbral scaffold]

the blessing ya pogging abt?

[sour elbow]

yus

[umbral scaffold]

melk just gave it to me

kek

[cerulean void]

y'think they'll buff Efficiency some day?

[shadow aurora]

Blessings overall need to be reworked some day so hopefully

[umbral scaffold]

this beast im going to do maelstrom with

we zoomin

bros a god gamer

[thin yoke]

Do you use deadshot with that?

[dull granite]

Hey am I missing something? I haven't played in a while but I was playing for the last two days and I feel like somethings different

Like I feel like I take a FUCK ton more damage when I get hit with my gun out like I saw my shield and health plumit when I got hit by a poxwalker when I was trying to kill a special with my gun, the last couple of missions it's really felt like I can't do my job cause if I take my gun out I instantly go low hp just to smack one trapper or just get downed instantly like I've had to melee 90% of these games and melee specials to death instead of using my gun like this class should be used

So am I wrong or did they nerf the fuck out of vet again

[white minnow]

if it's a poxwalker, then the damage they deal is roughly the same as before

the toughness that you can attain as vet is a bit lower than patch 12 and before (at least, without taking the toughness nodees)

[dull granite]

Hm, idk what's going on then because before a single poxwalker wouldn't bother me I could clear the floor of all the specials and go back to melee but now I feel like I'm completely useless cause I get smacked once and it's just like shield completely gone even tho I've got two toughness curios and a bunch of passive toughness bonuses from the talent screen

Last time I played was maybe 5 or 6 months ago

[shadow aurora]

Finally got a mission with no surv vet to do every shot counts and got it first try

[sour elbow]

I take the more weakpoint damage whatever that one is. I'm using it in a veteran pew pew build so take the left tree. Take the refresh on kill and marking standard enemies, so I start the ability and just lawnmower my way through most things. Also means you can use your last few shots to 'reset' the ability if you're shooting a tougher enemy

[shadow aurora]

Cowboy revolver is goated for that penance

[dull granite]

I know the last time I played they had changed the talents from like 16 to like fucking 90 talents in the skill tree

I kind of miss how simple things used to be... idk if I'm cut out for all this number crunching when before the options were so clear for how I liked to play...

[wanton dawn]

I use loadout monitor, scoreboard dmg, scoreboard defense and some of my own customization

Which i cannot techically share cuz i dont have the code license

[tiny summit]

simple. dont number crunch. just go by vibes and you'll be good

number crunching born leader looks like ass but I dont care

[quick steeple]

thats all i needed confirmed tyvm 😉 can update it meself now that i know the prereqs are met

[dull granite]

I am and I'm getting my shit pushed in in heresy missions when I used to breeze through them lkl

[terse idol]

It doesnt need to be complex the game is perfectly playable just playing want you want

[tiny summit]

idk I only started playing with the class update, I think thats just...w/o being rude...getting good for heresy and up

people do the math for breakpoints I just do what I think is nice

[dull granite]

Voice chat would be nice cause when I watch videos for builds it just makes my head spin

[torn root]

Hello peeps

[quick steeple]

theres a LOT of doodoo clickbait out there tbf

[torn root]

1st ting im gunna say, you REALLY dont need to do the math for BP's

its just get highest damage rolls and game can do the rest

the math is nice, but not neccessary

[tiny summit]

you dont but then theres me at the point and hunt for a perfect helbore mk1 and a grey one cant 1 tap the dreg gunner w/o 80 dmg w/o stuff like longshot, kill zone, elite dmg or MF stacks kicking in

[torn root]

woudln't perfect be arbitrary?

[tiny summit]

and vet chat has so much breakpoint talk

[torn root]

its gunna change the moment your skill tree does

[tiny summit]

perfect to me

[torn root]

an yeah chat talks about BPs but they never really run the numbers, because it's not neccessary

they concept for damage is just to stack a ton of it, less math needed if you just do that tbh when you think about it

heavy focus on BP only really matters if you are taking limited damage in the first place

imagine me having like +80% more damage on my gun but only needing 50% total for all the BPs, I could just run the math to hit the exact amount OR just overload it

kinda like that

tbh just roll for high damage, see what you can't kill, the try to fix it, it's not something to stress over too much, as much as the topic gets brought up

[cerulean void]

"the math" tends to just be "does it die in two hits or three in psykhanium"

[torn root]

^

which in all fairness a good test

[olive helm]

just pissed away 8000 plasteel trying to unlock power cycler 4. now i understand everyone's pain 😭

still haven't got it

[torn root]

when you have the the spawn mod why does it stop telling you the enemy armour types?

[untold mulch]

I try to do the farm sessions in short bursts where I spedn 1k or so

[torn root]

yup!

[untold mulch]

that way shitty Fatshark rng doesn't hurts as much

[torn root]

i rolled 100ish XIIIg to get rampage 4

[untold mulch]

oof

[torn root]

and now im rolling power swords for Brutal Momentum 4

just so i dont need to use the special 100% of the time

[olive helm]

i rolled rampage 4 a few times 😆

[olive helm]

that's what i'll have to do now. plus there's that browser extension that checks the store when you're offline. i'm gonna look into that

[shadow aurora]

Is hadron feeling well? Shes normally not this nice

[torn root]

that's rng

[tiny summit]

no she's not

or she's actually just fine because it isnt PC4

[keen zephyr]

Yeah I think it's Xmass for Hadron

[torn root]

is supercharger just a thing ppl use on PSword M3?

[cerulean void]

nope, 6 too

[torn root]

not sure you even need it

on the 6 idk why you'd need it

maybe just for monsters?

[cerulean void]

I don't pretend to understand power swords, I found them pretty unengaging

[torn root]

im the opposite

[cerulean void]

I'm just waiting for my power knife

[torn root]

ppl complain about them for seemingly no reason

the P/Sword takes more effort to use than a majority of the other weapons

most if not all other weapons are literally just Light spam/ heavy spam

[wraith locust]

No, the Rashad’s the highest skill cap weapon

[torn root]

Power Swords actively require you to activate them even in the middle of a horde

[shadow aurora]

Mk3 psword?

[torn root]

have reduced stats in areas that make it clunky otherwise

[cerulean void]

this is what I didn't enjoy about it though

[quick steeple]

eh idk about most. right combos on right weps are night/day difference in how they perform for a good number

[torn root]

see? its clunky but not braind dead because you have to work around the clunk

[shadow aurora]

Idk power cycler takes away alot of that clunk

[quick steeple]

big part of why powercycle4 is almsot always there, 3 charge hits per instead of 1

[torn root]

learning optimal combos is a different convo

[quick steeple]

very true lol

[torn root]

would almost be a no shit answer

ofc i can do the optimal combo on every weapon doesnt mean its gunna be easy to bake into my head

someone of us got bad braincells like me

[cerulean void]

I've gotten to used to the knife and its +25% backstab bonus now

[torn root]

never try to teach me a fighting game btw, slowest learner over here

[quick steeple]

took me over an hr to teach an ogryn bud how to anim-cancel the shield bash lmao

[midnight totem]

Time to shoryuken some heretics

[quick steeple]

dude just L-R-L click over and over XD

[torn root]

and im still here practicing animation cancles on the P.sword as we speak

because that shit is hard in the middle of a hoard

[midnight totem]

The key is to stay calm

[torn root]

this shit not easy

[quick steeple]

the window on psw does feel slightly finnicky to me compared to other melees

[torn root]

and you gotta kite while doing it

[midnight totem]

The moment you panic and start spamming is when you lose

[torn root]

im talking about completely removing the animation

you can get the frames to almost none on the activation

[quick steeple]

ohhh you mean the push cancel

[torn root]

yes lmao

you can kill a crusher so damn fast when they in your face if you learn it

[quick steeple]

mk4 or 3

[torn root]

i think there might be something that causes it to not happen 100% of the time

or its just me

[woven mesa]

Does brutal momentum still work on bayoneted when on your primary melee weapon?

[quick steeple]

thats what i was saying, thers the first few frames, then feels like a few dead ones then the late cancel

[low lava]

Push stab cancel is nice but tbh the real tech to learn 100% is slide shenanigans to cover the power up or charging heavy slowdowns

[torn root]

different skill im gunna dread learning

i already hate sliding on keyboard

[quick steeple]

i find this WAY easier lol

[quick steeple]

mouse thumb button, or maybe im insane

[torn root]

the stab cancle is important because you can immediatley dispatch something

[torn root]

my thumb buttons are special and ping

i hate middle mouse for pings