veteran-class

[strange sparrow]

Hordes? Columnus

[terse idol]

Then you agree though

Because shredders give you space

[strange sparrow]

No?

[terse idol]

They do

They give a big stagger

[strange sparrow]

It's easier to use columnus and psword to clear space

[terse idol]

That gives you space

[tall torrent]

Yea and frags send them all on the ground for easy kills lol

[strange sparrow]

against garbage

[torn root]

i dont think ANYONE should assume they are the only one who has to deal with ANY STACK

[merry glade]

really you just end up picking whatever the rest of your loadout lacks. or if you need to path specifically

[bitter turtle]

Not really

[terse idol]

Bro, I can't just being in the most meta load out

[wild lantern]

auric damnation tips
barrel -->krak (for bulwark legion)

[placid portal]

unless your weapon is headshot reliant but an easy hit is an easy hit

[bitter turtle]

Bulwark and crusher are easy to deal with ngl

[torn root]

unless you are doing a true solo run lower your self importance, don't gotta do all that shit

[tight depot]

for me i did try true solo with both krak and shredder i say krak did save me more since all thing i need clear i can do with my lovely shovel

[placid portal]

God I hate ninja maulers

[strange sparrow]

Yea totally bulwark stack on crusher doesn't exist

[terse idol]

Okay

[tall torrent]

Yea, frags stagger them all to the ground

[terse idol]

I mwan you still stagger them

[bitter turtle]

A frag would handle that too lol

[strange sparrow]

not if the bulwark line up

which block the grenade

[placid portal]

doesn't it do a full knockdown at 1+ ms?

[terse idol]

Why you throwing it on the shield and not the floor

[torn root]

aim

[tight depot]

shredder damage not enough for me. buying time no need that much since i have revolver kill em fast

[tall torrent]

You don’t know how to underhand toss?

[bitter turtle]

It sounds like ur just not good at aiming it ngl

[strange sparrow]

If you're in a train?

[torn root]

you can get the nade past them

[strange sparrow]

what's that mission with the low ceiling again

[terse idol]

Why are you using a strategy

[muted knot]

My man facing the bulwark shieldwall

[terse idol]

Why are you the train

[strange sparrow]

on a train at the train yard

[terse idol]

Why is the train

The meta

[torn root]

UNDERHAND IT

THEY FUCKING MOVE FORWARD

WHAT?!

[terse idol]

Why are the crushers kbto the train

[bitter turtle]

Underhand toss is goated

Look

I'm just saying

[terse idol]

Why are you moving bulwarks into a tight hallwaayyy

[placid portal]

I am addicted to underhand toss to the point I look at the sky to throw it further

[muted knot]

I rarely dont use underhand toss

[bitter turtle]

Frag against bulwark packs have never made me go

[strange sparrow]

People justifying shredder make a lot of space, instead of realizing Krak instant kill stuff that is stacked

[placid portal]

because I instinctively spam underhand

[bitter turtle]

"Wow I wish I had krak" lol

[terse idol]

What if

[torn root]

dude forgets a grenade can sit and have things move over it and pass it

[terse idol]

It isn't stacked

[torn root]

like how?

[bitter turtle]

If they're in a line like you say it kills 1 or 2 at best lol

[terse idol]

So now you made value to kill 1

[bitter turtle]

Your own scenario makes krak bad

[terse idol]

On a stack

[muted knot]

It just feels right

[tall torrent]

Kraks really do not have that much AoE I think you’re over exaggerating it

[tight depot]

shredder can't do good damage to boss

[wet elk]

skullcrusher seems really good with shout

it applies to everything

[bitter turtle]

They need to be clustered for krak multikills

[terse idol]

Like it's those times they need to be inside each other

For you to get multiple crushers

[bitter turtle]

Not walking in a perfect row or column

[terse idol]

Pretty close

[strange sparrow]

it does kill stacked crusher/bulwark

[tight depot]

yes that's why shovel need skullcrusherrrrrrrr

[terse idol]

Sometimes they do stagger themselves

[torn root]

cool it instant kills, but you only really need it for one enemy

[strange sparrow]

as long you overthrow it to the side

[placid portal]

Even if I did I remember that I have a Plasmagun user or a teammate that staggers the bulwark for an opening

[torn root]

you DONT need them fro crushers

[strange sparrow]

which stick onto their shoulder

but people just toss it into the shield

[tall torrent]

If they’re literally on top of each other yes

If they’re just a little further away from each other than ideal, no

[strange sparrow]

so it never kill more than 2

[wet elk]

this thing is nuts, 2 tap crushers

[terse idol]

But eait

[terse idol]

You just proved it wucks in your train scenario

[strange sparrow]

remember the thing is magnetic

[terse idol]

Because then it's a tight hallway

[placid portal]

Pretty sure you can push it to 1 shot iirc

[strange sparrow]

it stick to anything that is cara

[placid portal]

or that's just Ogryn things

[trim steppe]

Guys how do you rate the accuracy of my graphic

[terse idol]

You have a Low ceiling

Its gonna hit the shield

So its only gonna take out 1 or 2 bulwarks

[wet elk]

yeah it survives 1 hp

[torn root]

100% accurate

[strange sparrow]

side ways

[terse idol]

Even in your train

[bitter turtle]

Trappers are whatever

[torn root]

died to 2 barrels today

[strange sparrow]

also 3 meter knockdown radius

[bitter turtle]

They bug out the least for sound cue

[tight depot]

let us make people use shovel. make shovel great again [it can 1 shot mutant if u heavy special headshot too]

[placid portal]

Too true, Barrels and ninja trappers are a threat to society

[bitter turtle]

Busters are the worst imo

Always bug out like crazy

[trim steppe]

I swear barrels end my runs more often than anything else now

[wet elk]

cant count how many times in auric maelstorm i get trapped instantly by a trapper on a turn

[placid portal]

I die inside when I get burster'd

[terse idol]

Okay so

You increase it to 6

Now you knock down more

[wet elk]

im using some weird wacky greande build so maybe thats why im not one tapping

[strange sparrow]

And yet you didn't kill the initial 2 bulwark

[terse idol]

That doesnt matter

[strange sparrow]

now you just stuck on the ground trying to finish them off

[terse idol]

Because you knocked down most

In 1 grenade

Rather than just killing 2

[placid portal]

doubled radius but also increases area by a lot

[tight depot]

if u can get 25% finess for melee talent and weakspot 30% dmg u will

[terse idol]

Because the shield blocked the krak

And only killed 2

[strange sparrow]

Krak bypass shield

[placid portal]

9 pi area vs 36 pi area

[terse idol]

Where you could have knocked down 6

[tall torrent]

Just give up lol

[wild lantern]

ranged are the only real danger in that game all the other thing can be block/dodge/manageable easily

[strange sparrow]

??

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/kiera-katsura-beestation-ss13-kiera-katsura-gif-25417004

[placid portal]

le boltgun + plasma and a zealot running in

[torn root]

bro if you knock a bulwark down and its not dead, thats on you

for not killing it

[tight depot]

krak is little magnetic to carapace/ flak armor too

[torn root]

shit's not hard

[tall torrent]

This frag slander is pure cope, no reason to continue arguing

[wet elk]

u cant kill smashers with just light empowered attacks, its crazy

[bitter turtle]

Magnetic is only to carapace

[strange sparrow]

no flak only cara

[bitter turtle]

It sticks to unyielding and flak too but only magnetized to cara

[strange sparrow]

which is only few enemy type in the game which you want onto

[placid portal]

Nah it insta homes into them, except flak only carapace is instant homing

[tight depot]

then my throwing on scab rager is my aim good i guess lol

[trim steppe]

Ah so you're 2/3 of the way down the x-axis

[bitter turtle]

Ye good aim if it stuck

Imagine if you miss all 3 krak on a monstro

Would be an alt f4 in shame

[tight depot]

still finding that u throw krak in empty corner and it hit crusher/ bulwark is so dang funny

[placid portal]

gotta love at times krak will do an insane acrobatics just to stick to a crusher 10ms away from intended direction

[tight depot]

it like boop to them

[wet elk]

skullsher applies on greandes???? 💀

[terse idol]

What the hell are scab ragers supposed to be
Show me what unit, in the Astra militarum has a rager

[tight depot]

yes

[terse idol]

Zealots?

[wild lantern]

i'm not on the axis since it can't handle good player

[tall torrent]

In an actual game they’re almost never that close to each other I’m sorry

[tight depot]

as long as u holding ur melee after that

[bitter turtle]

They would still get kd by shredder like that too

[wet elk]

nuts

[bitter turtle]

Idk what the point of that video is

[strange sparrow]

Then you never meet a bulwark/crusher stack on auric mael then

[terse idol]

To be fair most of the time bulwarks in their most dangerous setup form a small wall in front of you 🥹

[placid portal]

unless the VoC vet does the pancake folding but tru

[torn root]

super fringe case, yup

[terse idol]

They simply do not line up on you

They push each other

[tall torrent]

I did, they don’t stack literally INSIDE of each other lol

[terse idol]

To form a wall

[trim steppe]

Bulwarks only job is to create a wall so a silent ninja trapper can pull you through the wall and curb stomp you while your team watches in horror

[torn root]

so your taking it for the 5% chance they stack for the multi

i cant get behind that

[tall torrent]

Not even 5%

[tight depot]

worst than trapper is flamer that u cant shoot them

[terse idol]

Like I will concede sometimes they do stack SOMEWHAT like that but as soon as they attack or get staggered thryre gonna not be stacked very quickly

[tall torrent]

They have to be funneled into a super tight choke point for it to work that way

[wild lantern]

one day they gonna fix these shitty sound bug from patch 13+
ONE DAY !
maybe next week ?
maybe....

[torn root]

not like anyone else on your team might CC them and seperate the stack

[umbral scaffold]

Guys, how to get this?

[bitter turtle]

You have some very hot takes today nahcies lol

[tall torrent]

Also just remember krak does 0 damage if it blows up while the enemy it stuck to is climbing

[terse idol]

Its slightly better to be fair

[placid portal]

Dumb thoughts,
Since enemies get knocked down from the source of the explosion. What if two explosions detonated side by side? Will they choose a side to get knocked down? Or will they stumble forward

[umbral scaffold]

Is not even there!??

[torn root]

or they might split attention and go seperate ways

[terse idol]

Sometimes crushers and ragers are so loud that I can barely think straight

[placid portal]

Karker twins Hardmode

[torn root]

no we hold the krak to get the nut shot

[terse idol]

Its for secret hardmode

You need to finish

[bitter turtle]

This and your "any gun less ammo efficient than a semi auto Las with shock trooper has bad efficiency " take

[terse idol]

I'm not kidding

[tight depot]

you need do puzzle bell one then kill boss in damnation secret hard mode

[umbral scaffold]

is it some videos about that?

[tall torrent]

Could happen in 2 different ways
1st explosion hard staggers onto floor, 2nd doesn’t stagger
Or
1st explosion light staggers into stumble, 2nd explosion hard staggers and sends them in the other direction

[umbral scaffold]

Puzzle bell huh

[terse idol]

Yeah

Darktide orthus offensive bells secret hardmode

[wild lantern]

didn't see shit in patch note so i didn't try recently but checking patch note is more or less useless since half of the patch don't work and the other half is not in the patch note

[terse idol]

Huh?

[tight depot]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2995700310&searchtext=bell

[terse idol]

They do

In the patch notes They literally said

[umbral scaffold]

Ty

[terse idol]

adjust sound of ragers

[wild lantern]

only ragers

[terse idol]

They are much louder

Crushers too

And maulers

[trim steppe]

complete the bell puzzle on sedition difficulty first so that you can easily beat the twins and that unlocks a way to teleport straight to the hard mode boss on damnation difficulty. You'll wipe a lot on the damnation hard mode and this will prevent you from having to solve the bell puzzle 30 times

[terse idol]

Well I don't know what to tell ya but they are louder

[potent lichen]

How is this looking? Recommendations?

[tight depot]

another way is just win that mode with someone that already done puzzle. once boss die u get both puzzle and that reward

[terse idol]

Terrifying barrage to handcanon

Elites to... maybe carapace?

I dunno

Maniacs is good though imo

[potent lichen]

I've noticed myself one-shotting Ragers a lot more with Maniac

[junior grail]

Anyone having stutter and crash issues?

I went through several reddit and steam suggestions even from Elden Ring but the stutters and crashes are still there. Both costing me games and fun.

[terse idol]

Rager is a maniac aren't they?

I forgor

[spark helm]

Yep. They count as it.

[terse idol]

Yeah whew

[tight depot]

i say get Surgical.

[potent lichen]

Yeah, that's what I'm sayin

[placid portal]

Flak and maniac

[potent lichen]

Maniac feels good

[bitter turtle]

That's the normal revolver right

[trim steppe]

terrifying to hand cannon. then either srucian to surgical or elites to carpace

[terse idol]

Is the zarona the speed loader?

[bitter turtle]

Not fanfire

[torn root]

I think that's why ppl take it

hard to hit that bp without

[terse idol]

Oh it's the agri

[wild lantern]

crushers and mauler was not in patch note unless i says shit
and for trapper poxbuster and solide sneak horde split was not in any patch note
but they may been secretly fix again i didn't play after first fix for the last big patch

[bitter turtle]

Imo surgical handcannon blessings

[terse idol]

Okay

[wet elk]

@tight depot i need to figure out a build because power sword is too good in a pinch to cleave 10 enemies at once

[bitter turtle]

If it's not fanfire

[strange sparrow]

People here do be thinking that Shredder is the only meta and you take shredder is the only way

[terse idol]

I can gurantee you crushers and maulers, and ragers are louder

Even if it isn't in the patch notes

[spare mountain]

I love never seeing Power Cycler IV for almost a year and then melk bringing it two days in a row once I have it like 2 weeks later

[terse idol]

They even drown out my sound sometimes

[tight depot]

just use brutal momentum lol

[strange sparrow]

instead of realising that krak just solve a lot of the problem

[bitter turtle]

I take krak on one build, it's just niche

[strange sparrow]

Shredder on every build fr

[bitter turtle]

I used to use it a lot on patch 13

[terse idol]

Oh you didn't play since the last patch?

[tall torrent]

Crushers & maulers are definitely louder now
Especially maulers

[potent lichen]

I'm running weapon specialist so I feel like Surgical is a little wasted

[terse idol]

Well that explains it

[bitter turtle]

Value went down

[torn root]

i dont think anyone said that

[strange sparrow]

I have trouble against Crusher/Bulwark because I don't do Pgun

[tall torrent]

Maulers literally praise nurgle as they move towards u

[torn root]

but i dont think anyone us was gunna have you slander shredders

[strange sparrow]

so I should take shredder

[torn root]

on some BS

[terse shell]

all I want for the new year is power cycler iv is that too much to ask for

[terse idol]

If your columnus can't delete crushers I'm sorry

[bitter turtle]

Crucian is even worse with wep special

[terse idol]

🥹

[tall torrent]

Never said that

[bitter turtle]

Ur always full clip lol

[torn root]

you dont gotta take shit, but your takes here were not it

[wild lantern]

you make me hard
after 3 patch finaly !

[muted knot]

Not really

Your always on one round if you want to

[spark helm]

@potent lichen nor entirely imo but for something safer you can swap barrage for hand cannon if you have it and change elites to carapace

[bitter turtle]

Ig but isn't that kinda risky

Not everything goes down in 1

[strange sparrow]

Ah yes now it suddenly went to no, we didn't mean that Krak is useless

[tall torrent]

This whole entire time pretty sure everybody was saying

Frags are better in the vast majority of scenarios against the vast majority of enemies you deal with

[bitter turtle]

I don't like that compared to surg at least

[tight depot]

i did use both in my true solo with wep special lol. i just want all crit chance i can get cos i can 1 shot special if it crit

[potent lichen]

At max wep stacks you get 2 bullets back

[torn root]

no one said they were useless

[wild lantern]

did play the last "patch" with the double boss mission did it 2 time in damnation lost 1 win the second time and didn't play after

[spark helm]

What difficulties are you running around in most @potent lichen

[tall torrent]

Not a single time did I say “kraks are horrible and not worth using”

[terse idol]

The basis of your argument was that shredders were useless

[strange sparrow]

I had been stating that my problem with Shredder is I want something dead instantly

[strange sparrow]

???

[terse idol]

Come on homie

[strange sparrow]

People told me that 2 shredder = dead rager

[potent lichen]

4, but want to get to 5 once I have good rolls

[terse idol]

You said in the situations like hordes

[strange sparrow]

tested that, it doesn't

[terse idol]

That shredders was bad

What the fuck man

Jesus

[strange sparrow]

Yea ok

[muted knot]

Imagine sitting in discord Malding at useless conversations on new years eve lol

[torn root]

cool you wanted something deadly instantly FROM THE BEGINNING we said thats not it with shredders

[strange sparrow]

I say it's not the best against bulwark/crusher stack

[terse idol]

??????????

[torn root]

that's not their job

[strange sparrow]

= shredder bad

[bitter turtle]

I already said earlier I krak in one build still

[strange sparrow]

but yea sure

[terse idol]

Hello??????

Hello?

[torn root]

i have typed that at least 7 times

lmao

[muted knot]

Hi

[terse idol]

I just found your receipt

[strange sparrow]

Nah just me with my hot take

[terse idol]

What the fuck man

Oh my god

[tall torrent]

[terse idol]

Keep goal posts

[muted knot]

Fellas

[wet elk]

can it compete with this tho

[terse idol]

You know what I'm making a new tier list

[strange sparrow]

No stacked enemy can be kill here
Not like it happen

[terse idol]

Shredders>= Smoke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Krak

[wild lantern]

i hardly see the shreeder being bad with how much rending/brittleness the vet has so maybe this comment was for other class ?

[terse idol]

Done

[tall torrent]

Stacked very close yea
But a huge pack of them don’t have every single one of them stacked as close as the ideal situation you presented

[strange sparrow]

so stacked does happened in game?

[muted knot]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[terse idol]

You use the 6m radius to stagger them all then homie pls

It really is shredder cope

[torn root]

Krak's one purpose in the game is to shit on one bulwark, nothing more, nothing less

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

Yea the entire time I said, they come in packs but more often than not they do not literally stack INSIDE each other

[strange sparrow]

I run through the test between Kraks, and Shredder this morning, and the result came back as you need 2 Shredder to do enough dps bleed

the shredding bleed is 8m and knockdown is 6m

[tall torrent]

They have to be in kissing distances for the krak to do major effect

[torn root]

only by lottery distributed by the director

[strange sparrow]

krak does 3m knockdown while doing instant kill on almost 1-2+ enemy (all enemy variety)

[wet elk]

lol my shedder grenade spam build says otherwise

[terse idol]

On 3m

Not 6

[tight depot]

i think ur already ok

[terse idol]

Boom argument over

Enemies are often more spread out

[wet elk]

not mine i mean the one i use from the youtubes

[torn root]

nah dont be disrespectful now

lmao

[strange sparrow]

and I had been saying this

[terse idol]

Sorry it's just me angey

[bitter turtle]

The thing is for shredder, you throw it at what needs to be knocked down, the rest of the enemies die to the massive bleed range like gunners that don't need the kd

[terse idol]

For no raison

[torn root]

smokes are legit just a tax for commiting right side

[terse idol]

Smokes are funny enouuugh

[bitter turtle]

The effective radius of how you use shredder is way bigger than krak

[terse idol]

But yes

Until they block snipers

Theyre not doing hot

[strange sparrow]

I literally tested it and I know the bleed radius and knockdown radius on Shredder

[torn root]

what does not having time to kill entail....

[tall torrent]

There however is a very valid argument to be made

Frags are so good that I feel I’m not taking advantage of it enough if I don’t run both demo stockpile + demo team

With kraks (+1 point to path to Survivalist), I generally don’t find my use of them enough to need more than demo stockpile

[strange sparrow]

people ask why I took krak. I said I take it because I don't have time to kill bulwark

[terse idol]

Yes and you confirmed it's bigger than the krak

The shredder has a larger aoe

By double

[torn moat]

What perks/blessings go best on a MG1a Inf Lasgun?

[bitter turtle]

Yes, so you throw it at the cluster of maulers or bulwark and the bleed kills the gunners and on the side that aren't pathing to you.

[spark helm]

Whats your difficulty range?

[bitter turtle]

It creates a lot of space all at once

That's why it's preferred

It's not solely the knockdown range

[wet pendant]

what i should learn

[torn moat]

Usually Damnation

[terse idol]

Half that hypothetical you suggested was bulwarks in a group stacked are better to deal with a krak than a shredder

[wet pendant]

hammer or wrath

[torn root]

'you don't want to put effort into killing them' --- that part is fine, but then you started trying to slander shredders

[spark helm]

Safe combo is deadly accurate and uh, can't remember the other one but you get guaranteed crit as long as you continue firing.@torn moat

[strange sparrow]

I dont find myself in a really tight space that Rager/Mixed hordes are squeezing me

[bitter turtle]

That's all I really have to say about it at this point

[torn root]

we not havin' that

[strange sparrow]

compared to Bulwark/Crusher

and why is that hard to accept?

[wet elk]

my revolver and plasma gun honest reaction

https://media1.tenor.com/m/GtoPT2G90IAAAAAd/rizz-rizz-face.gif

[strange sparrow]

Because I can throw shredder behind bulwark and crusher?

[torn moat]

Headhunter? +20% Crit Chance on weak spot hit? Until you crit

[tight depot]

by the way is it wrong if i post my veteran true solo vid here

[strange sparrow]

People here just want to simp for an equipment and if people say it's not what I want

[terse idol]

Wait

Then shredders will help

[spark helm]

Yeah that one. You don't reqppy need to specialize in crit when you consider the magazine size, fire rate and control.

[terse idol]

Because a krak won't stick to a rager

[spark helm]

If you do, sure, go nuts.

[terse idol]

Or a mixed horde

[bitter turtle]

The reason I even sometimes still prefer shredders in these situations (and I do) is because the shredder will easily tag the specialists or gunners or whatever that are hiding behind them

[strange sparrow]

read

please

comprehension level goin down

[tall torrent]

Scab rager it sticks if lands directly

[spark helm]

I haven't played with many other combos yet for la infantry las

[terse idol]

Oh you don't

My eyes

[torn root]

if you were ONLY saying its not what you want i doubt anyone would have cared to start conversing against your posts

[bitter turtle]

While krak will, even if they kill the entire pack, still force me to deal with them afterwards

[torn root]

the responses you made did not ential i just want to use KRAKS at all

[strange sparrow]

???????

[bitter turtle]

All I really want is the knockdown on those enemy types because our weapons have gotten insanely good at melting carapace

[gleaming turtle]

Do I cop?

[torn root]

i need to go copy past the other 10+ comments you made

[bitter turtle]

Its more important that the flamer or trapper or gunners behind them just die

[strange sparrow]

I even make multiple same comment about kraks on why I take it

[bitter turtle]

Rather than waiting for the fuse to kill the bulwark line and then gunning them down

[strange sparrow]

I do not have time to deal with Bulwark and Crusher

[bitter turtle]

Idk if that makes sense

[tall torrent]

It’s usable?

[bitter turtle]

I'm trying to engage in good faith here lol

[torn root]

this was not the only thing you said my guy, that's being disingenuous

[junior needle]

The argument about nades is still going on?

[bitter turtle]

And the reality is is that depending on enemy spacing, the krak might not even wipe out the whole line and I still have to worry about specialists hiding behind the remaining bulwarks

[strange sparrow]

You literally didn't read why I said about double shredder bleed

and went to say just aim with 500 explosion radius on 0 meter

[bitter turtle]

While I chuck two shredders and can ignore everything else behind them

[wet elk]

almost an insane chainaxe

[bitter turtle]

Since I know they'll get bled to death shortly

It's just a lot more flexible than hoping the carapace or shield line stacked in a way I can clear them out together instantly

And then shoot what is behind them

[torn root]

when i joined the convo you said you couldnt kill ragers with double shredders, i said you could

proceeded to show it too

[bitter turtle]

I'd rather just not worry about what's behind them in the first place

[spark helm]

@torn moat but yeah if you have those two those are just very safe blessings. Combos involving no respite for example, are a little more dependent on what else is going on in the fights you're taking but it's not like, terrible terrible. Had one with that and headhunter and it's decent unless everyone running say idk, some hella low stagger pote tial on everything.

[torn root]

then we moved on to the bullwark talk

[bitter turtle]

And that's what shredders enable

[junior needle]

That's at least 2/4 scuffed with the perks, there seems to be some disagreements about what to actually run blessing wise.

[wet elk]

anyone still doing twins on HM

?

[torn root]

we also TALKED ABOUT BULWARKS in packs with OTHER enemies

[fossil basalt]

Try lfg channels

[tall torrent]

Thunderous + bloodletter

Headtaker + slaughterer

Thrust is good on its own to then take another blessing of your choice, probably headtaker/slaughterer

[torn root]

shredders dont only do bleed

[tall torrent]

That’s my suggestion anyway

[strange sparrow]

Explosion damage drop from 500 (0m) to 100 (1m) distances for Shredder

[junior needle]

I think bloodletter applying thunderous is going to be fixed in the future

[strange sparrow]

after that, its just bleed

bleed goes 8 meter in range

[wet elk]

wait speaking of twins, is there a meta build for the twins HM?

[torn root]

so dude, why dont you just say you dont want to have to aim and let it go

[wet elk]

or a general build

[torn root]

cause you really make it seem like aiming a nade is just a hassle

[wet elk]

AIMING A GRENADE?

[fossil basalt]

For vet? Tends to be shout+colum or plasma

[wet elk]

WHAT

[spark helm]

Do you want something just effective and safe?

[junior needle]

Not sure about thrust on the new chainaxe though

[bitter turtle]

Plasma, Columnus, revolver are what I recommend

In that order

Don't take a dmr rifle

[torn root]

didnt want to aim to kill ragers

[strange sparrow]

funny that people think that they can hit a 0m non-instant fuse grenade on moving rager

[wet elk]

plasma to hit the twins or elites?

[wet elk]

yeah

[strange sparrow]

but ok

[bitter turtle]

elites

[strange sparrow]

just aim ig

[torn root]

didnt want to have an argument that they shredders were good cc because bulwarks could block them

[wet elk]

then power sword/shovel for twins?

[bitter turtle]

I suggest psworf

[torn root]

dont want to underhand and let enemeis walk on top of or past nades

[bitter turtle]

But yes

[wet elk]

pssworf?

[bitter turtle]

Psword

[wet elk]

whats that

[torn root]

you really seem like you just want the magnet, gunna be honest

[fossil basalt]

Power sword

[wet elk]

AH

[bitter turtle]

Power sword

[fossil basalt]

It's nice to turn brain off sometimes

[bitter turtle]

Looks good, do right or middle tree

[strange sparrow]

People do be thinking that shredder is the best but it is what it is

[junior needle]

Elites primarily, the sustained dps isn't great on the bosses and you want automatic weapons for them because of the damage cap.

[terse idol]

Well thats the thing

You dont need to

You throw it at your feet

[wet elk]

right

[torn root]

not a single soul said that

[strange sparrow]

dude

[fossil basalt]

Smokes are the best

[wet elk]

spam shout build?

or invis right

to clutch revive

[strange sparrow]

Im saying that 2 grenade = dead = no, if there's no explosion damage

[bitter turtle]

Shout or invis are both fine

[torn root]

you just addicted to krak and any normal person would try to get a krak-head some help

[terse idol]

I mean

[strange sparrow]

which drop from 500 -> 100 in 1 meter

[bitter turtle]

But invisible takes more skill to use

Imo

[strange sparrow]

12 bleed does not kill a rager

[terse idol]

I'm not taking it to kill a rager in 1 grenade

[bitter turtle]

I'd go shout

[terse idol]

[strange sparrow]

how hard is it to understand lmao

[wet elk]

pog thanks

[terse idol]

Its hard to understand

[fossil basalt]

Shout, don't take the only in death node

[torn root]

addictions are hard

[terse idol]

Because that's not what the grenade is supposed to do

[torn root]

it's okay

[terse idol]

But the krux of your argument is

can't kill rager in 1 grenade therefore bad

[wet elk]

yeah i think spamming the shout is a better choice

[bitter turtle]

Personally I went right tree plasma for my clear

[terse idol]

Like ?????

[bitter turtle]

But you can grab focus target if you prefer

[strange sparrow]

I mean I stated it plenty of time about 12 stacks of bleed does not kill rager

[bitter turtle]

I went more melee heavy

[strange sparrow]

but ok

[spark helm]

I'll stack bleeds with my shredder nades when I get any melee elites coming my way and just swap to whatever else i got for melee.

It's whatever really.

[torn moat]

Decimator or Headtaker on Rashad?

[torn root]

i was saying thats waht he made it seem like

[fossil basalt]

DoT's are extra damage, shredders shine in horde clear

[torn root]

deflected back to the bulwark talk like it was the ONLY thing we were talking about

[spark helm]

You stall them out, get your damage in, if they die from your weapons, someone else's or the bleed it's fine. Not faster than a krak. Doesn't need to be.

[terse idol]

Okay do?

So?

[strange sparrow]

which I have a lot of equipment to do so

[terse idol]

Does that matter?

[bitter turtle]

Idk I already explained why I prefer shredder even vs bulwark

[strange sparrow]

I don't really need shredder for it

[bitter turtle]

Like I said it's just more safe when u know everything behind them is dead

[strange sparrow]

so why people just be like

why you take kraks

[spark helm]

If you're taking demolition team, you're just going to get more anyway so you're never not going to be ccing them from the nades.

[terse idol]

The stagger is what helps you

I just dont get it

[torn root]

you also stated that 2 shredders couldnt kill ragers which is FAR from the truth

player finesse exists

some dont got it

[terse idol]

I mean, it brings them low enough that any weapon can take them out

Even if it doesn't kill them

[spark helm]

You van just run weapons that are going to provide that benefit. Kind of like a tool kit. Different toolkits work different.

[terse idol]

Yes

[strange sparrow]

???

[terse idol]

Kerykeion has a good point

[strange sparrow]

0 meter

[fossil basalt]

Smokes are the superior option for killing here

[strange sparrow]

500 explosion

1 meter 100 explosion

[torn root]

aiming is hard

so is kiting

[spark helm]

It's nice when you have something like bleeds and cc in situations where you're just going to not be able to do anything about them at those moments if other resources are gone.

[tight depot]

how is my veteran run. I want people join shovel cult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIupvK4wmMU&t=977s

[terse idol]

I mean you just throw it

In front of you

Underhand...

[torn root]

IT CAN, and you were wrong period on that point

literally

how you do it and weather or not it can are different

misinformation is a bane

[strange sparrow]

The thing with that is the grenade is not instant, and the damage drop off from 500 -> 100 instantly turn the grenade from 2 to 3

[spark helm]

If you take a krak, sometimes you're even playing riskier with staggered lines of big boys. Better to wait for all of them to be close enough together, risk dmg whatever or just toss?

Decisions are fluid. Situations can be static.

[bitter turtle]

I was gonna ask how you killed the spawn with a shovel but you used revolver

Makes sense

Lol

[torn root]

shoves dont exist

voc doesnt either

no CC exists in the game except fromt he grenade

[terse idol]

I mean yes but you're not gonna move far enough away that the grenade not blowing up instantly is gonna break the grenade

[torn root]

player creativity doesnt exist

[tiny summit]

Bayonet supremacy. But I do luv me shovel

[terse idol]

Because it'll STAGGER THE RAGER

[torn root]

skill doesnt exist

[bitter turtle]

Even if you do miss they are softened enough that it doesn't really matter tbh

[spark helm]

Like. The number shit don't really matter me when I'm out here literally using whatever I'm using and getting my clears regardless of how nuanced every situation is.

Shit don't need to exist in a vacuum.

[torn root]

hands thumbs and fingers dont exist

[tight depot]

It true solo with no spawn tweak mod just kill it fast was my only goal lol

[torn root]

braincells

none

we should just be ogryn

[bitter turtle]

Ya was just half joking

[spark helm]

I clear shit on smokes and stealth knife. It's whatever

[strange sparrow]

Yes I do agree on this, shredder soften them up but still doesn't change the fact that 2->3 shredder are just that easy to reach

[bitter turtle]

Since the unyielding dmg makes me cry

[strange sparrow]

but people just have perfect aim with grenade

[fossil basalt]

Yay somebody else!

[strange sparrow]

Doesn't change the fact that the explosion damage radius drop off are insane with Shredder

[tight depot]

but i did in normal run for shovel u cant do heavy special attack it will lock u so spawn ez grab u. if u have bleed talent just spam light attack dont bother heavy. special light is the only attack fast dmg

[torn root]

you dont need perfect aim to kite

but that might just fly by because we rather NOT TRY shit

[fossil basalt]

Imagine taking shredder for explosion damage

[bitter turtle]

Ya I know was joking mostly

[spark helm]

Is it riskier? Yes. Is it not as immediately efficient as outright killing? Yeah.

Don't care. I get my little bulkshit off for what I'm actually trying to do and it works.

Same with almost any other tool and method available in this game.

[strange sparrow]

and without the explosion damage (500), you do not get to kill rager in 2

[bitter turtle]

Just takes forever with shovel

Spamming lights all day

Doing no dmg LOL

I just have to gun

[strange sparrow]

I mean it's not, which is why I said bleed is the main point for shredder

[torn root]

its crazy ppl know what kiting to barrels and shit is but cant do the same for a nade

[tight depot]

i see now XD . let joining shovel team please

[spark helm]

I'll do it for shock trooper gauntlets, any time there's literally a horde sectioning off people from each other, to stall out big boy leagues, etc.

[strange sparrow]

12 stack of bleed doesn't kill rager is all the case I rest

and people take that like

cant you just explode them on the feet

[terse idol]

you don't

[strange sparrow]

lmao

[terse idol]

because you have 6m aOE

[strange sparrow]

that's the knockback

[terse idol]

That's the point of you even testing the grenade radius

[bitter turtle]

You take for both tbh

[terse idol]

The 6m gives you

Room to work

Yes

[bitter turtle]

You knock back the stuff that won't die to bleed

[terse idol]

That's exactly why

Dude

[strange sparrow]

the explosion damage is less than 6m

[terse idol]

If you're saying the fuse on the shredder is bad

Holy shit

[fossil basalt]

Lmao

[bitter turtle]

The wide bleed range kills everything else

[strange sparrow]

and im saying that rager don't die in 2

right?

[terse idol]

The krak is the worst

[spark helm]

Are you ignoring the actual stagger from a grenade?

[terse idol]

Yeah

he's ignoring it

[serene sage]

I thought the stupid wide aoe is the main draw of shredder

[spark helm]

I'm a little confused here.

[terse idol]

It doesn't matter

[serene sage]

and the damage to everything non carapace

[strange sparrow]

No, Im saying that explosion damage (500) is needed to 2 grenade frag kill rager

[terse idol]

That doesn't matter!

Oh my godddd

[strange sparrow]

and the damage drop off from 500 to 100 is insane

[terse idol]

I'm dying

[strange sparrow]

but people just hey nah

you take shredder because xyz

[serene sage]

just hang on a little

[terse idol]

If you can't underhand a grenade

[serene sage]

almost 2024

[strange sparrow]

??

[hybrid token]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[terse idol]

While you're getting c hased by crushers

[fossil basalt]

🍿

[strange sparrow]

Im saying Shredder can't 2 shot

[terse idol]

That's a skill issue

That's the worst thing

[strange sparrow]

but yall keep telling me other reason

but ok

[terse idol]

Oh my gosd

I'm going crazzy

[spark helm]

I see that.

I don't care honestly. I'm already spacing myself and getting ready for what else I can do while they get knocked down. I can also just wait for things to position themselves, run slide after I aggro them, etc.

[bitter turtle]

I say meh because its not really a relevant problem that if you miss both explosion they live with a bit of hp

[hybrid token]

shredder so good

[serene sage]

shredder can 2 shot up to ragers

what

[strange sparrow]

yea that's true

[strange sparrow]

12 bleed does not kill rager

[spark helm]

There's a lot I can do even if I'm not killing something.

[hearty panther]

wow a whole ragers

[serene sage]

tinkered nade does

[spark helm]

The initial explosion can after taking tinkerer

[strange sparrow]

I had been told that 12 bleed kill rager which is

[spark helm]

At like damnation and stuff so

[strange sparrow]

yea after tinkerer

[hybrid token]

krak kills like....a dude....shredder knocks over like 20 guys and i stab them all to death

[serene sage]

no im saying 2 tinkered nade does

[torn root]

0 kills

you right

[strange sparrow]

tinkerer does give a lot of damage radius

[terse idol]

also again

[spark helm]

Just, if you can, time your tosses to make sure you hit as many coming as you can when they do I guess.

I'm not really sure what's going on here.

[torn root]

only need 1 explosion to hit

which you can kite them over

[strange sparrow]

Damn the man still doesn't recognize 500 damage

[terse idol]

It doesn't matter if 2 doesn't kill because they'll have so little HP that you can sneeze on them to kill them

WHO CAREs

[spark helm]

A grenade explodes, does damage, does knock down, opens up options.

[torn root]

but trying is too hard

[terse idol]

The grenade IS NOT

[strange sparrow]

but ok

[terse idol]

A krak

Oh my god

It's the staggerrr

[terse idol]

and if you hit it center

That's a bonus

You are so focused

[strange sparrow]

Dude

[terse idol]

On rager not dying to two

[torn root]

its part of the grenade, learn to use it instead of crying about it not helping you kill shit

[terse idol]

At the edge of the AOE

[strange sparrow]

Im saying that sure shredder does a lot of CC

[terse idol]

It's ridiculous

[strange sparrow]

it does a lot of this that

but yall can't accept that it can't 2 shot rager without explosion

like ???

[spark helm]

I don't care though?

What?

[strange sparrow]

not you

[torn root]

and imagine needing 1 bullet to clean up after hitting no explosions

its so hard

[serene sage]

the vet

[strange sparrow]

the people above are trying to say 12 bleed = dead rager

but it's not

which i stated multiple time

[torn root]

not a soul is saying that

[strange sparrow]

how is this invalidating you taking shredder

[torn root]

you are just being daft

[spark helm]

I mean you can kill them with bleeds. The bleeds arw helpful for just stalling out enemies and setting up attacks.

[strange sparrow]

Then you can't read

[torn root]

this makes sense how? maybe rephrase

[spark helm]

Of you're not killing them with bleeds, you can just yap them with something else.

[strange sparrow]

Been repeating that

like entire day

[torn root]

YOU, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE FOCUSED ON THE 12 BLEED STACKS KILING THEM

[strange sparrow]

12 bleed does not kill rager

??

[torn root]

then you are claiming other ppl are saying it can

[strange sparrow]

but its the true?

[torn root]

not a soul said it can

[bitter turtle]

I think the problem is that nobody really cares that bleed alone doesn't kill a rager

[torn root]

just noting the llazy work

[serene sage]

i just joined but so far you are the only person who says that

[bitter turtle]

Again its just not a relevant problem

[fossil basalt]

So, like, can you kill a rager that was hit by 12 bleed stacks?

[torn root]

clearly this is false

[serene sage]

don't ping me though, im drinking champagne and watching yt

[spark helm]

Did it again baybee.

[hybrid token]

who cares that 12 stacks doesnt kill a rager

grenades do instant damage as well

[torn root]

scroll up to see

[serene sage]

well fuck you :<

[bitter turtle]

I want to cast to tv instead of watching jp variety shows

[hybrid token]

how is this at all relevant

[strange sparrow]

I mean you said that yesterday

[hybrid token]

two GRENADES kills ragers

[strange sparrow]

so I went and test the bleed effect

[hybrid token]

not 12 stacks

[strange sparrow]

but ok

[torn root]

guess those ragers didnt die

[torn root]

guess grenades and bleeds me the same fucking thing

because english is hard

[bitter turtle]

The disconnect here is that it's not hard to land at least one nade

[spark helm]

Ah.

[bitter turtle]

Most of the time I do land at least one on the pack

[torn root]

the shredders killed ragers

[terse idol]

But kuro literally also tested that it can on the center of the AOE

That man I can't

[spark helm]

Look, I know what i know and I play how I play and I get my dubs where I get them.

[strange sparrow]

500 damage from explosion

as i said multiple time

[fossil basalt]

Was this started by the krak not sticking to ragers because it only sticks to carapace?

[terse idol]

Yes and then the 2nd grenade kills on center

[torn root]

Aim

kite

[bitter turtle]

You don't really need to rely on pure bleed for Rager packs since you're usually chucking it at them

[terse idol]

that means

[torn root]

play the game

[strange sparrow]

more like people keep questioning me about why I take kraks

[spark helm]

Idk

[terse idol]

if can

That's english

[torn root]

Its simple english

[bitter turtle]

If 12 bleed.stacks didn't kill gunners that would be a bigger problem

[strange sparrow]

then I stated I want to delete bulwark

but they can't accept it

[bitter turtle]

Since you don't usually aim them at gunner

[strange sparrow]

just use shredder to delete bulwark they said

[terse idol]

No it was just usability of krak grenades and shredders

You dont aim grenades to hit ragers in the chest

[torn root]

and everyone keeps repeating that it's not for that

you must be drunk

[terse idol]

Nope

[torn root]

full circle

[terse idol]

That's lying

[spark helm]

...?

Hey what?

[terse idol]

Because we said it was good to STAGGER

Bulwarks

[serene sage]

what the fuck is going on

[strange sparrow]

Stagger into killing them on the ground

[terse idol]

Yes!

[spark helm]

You're trying to bonk a rager when they're coming at you with a grenade?

[strange sparrow]

with shredder

[spark helm]

Wait

[fossil basalt]

I dunno but 🍿

[strange sparrow]

which is killing bulwark?

[spark helm]

Wait wait wait

What the hell?

[bitter turtle]

Nade war

[terse idol]

Yeah becuase Nahcies saying

[bitter turtle]

New year hot takes

[terse idol]

Its hard to aim a grenade

[serene sage]

no no don't tell me

[terse idol]

At ragers

[torn root]

don't drink before hopping on discord, it makes things hard to communicate

[serene sage]

i don't care

[terse idol]

So therefore I don't know how the fuck you're throwing the grenades

[serene sage]

i just like complaining about me not caring

[terse idol]

[bitter turtle]

Let's go back to the good old topics

[terse idol]

You throw them at your feeeet that's it

[limber fractal]

the trinity

[bitter turtle]

Recon bad

[terse idol]

That's it

Recon is bad

[serene sage]

i thought it was fucking pokemons

[fossil basalt]

Can we talk about how great smoke grenades are?

[serene sage]

but recon bad

[bitter turtle]

I'm glad everyone here agreed they'd fuck a tsareena

It happened

And a latias

[fossil basalt]

I love hotboxing an elevator of ogryns

[bitter turtle]

(In human form)

[torn root]

pokemon fans are weird

[serene sage]

the latias is just the dragon transforming to human trope though

[spark helm]

Not even a hot one:

Requiring a more consistent and risky build is typically dependent on how well you as a player can actually execute what you need to do.

There is nothing wrong with risky builds.

[serene sage]

if a donkey can, surely a human can

[torn root]

isnt that bestiality

technically?

[serene sage]

let me introduce you to the harkness test

[bitter turtle]

no the other hot take was him saying anything that isn't a semi auto lasgun in terms of ammo efficiency is inefficient

[spark helm]

So?

Lol

That's all ingot

I got

[torn root]

hypothetical bestiality

[bitter turtle]

Idk go read the earlier convo if you care

[fossil basalt]

My knife isn't a semi auto lasgun

[torn root]

is just as concerning

[bitter turtle]

Or dont

[serene sage]

I mean do you consider Captain Kirk fucking aliens bestiality?

[bitter turtle]

Pokemon smash or pass is more fun

[spark helm]

No I mean like to the sentiment in action.

[serene sage]

or Commander Shepherd

[strange sparrow]

You could probably start here on people just questioning me on why I take Krak

#veteran-class message

[serene sage]

or Caphias Cain

[strange sparrow]

I said it multiple time why I take Krak

[terse idol]

Just a xeno

Diiiiferent

[strange sparrow]

and why I don't take Shredder

[serene sage]

i mean different species

[bitter turtle]

Animals are just xeno on earth

[strange sparrow]

but no, I just being bad and not understanding the importances of shredder

[serene sage]

and that's why the whole thing needs to pass the harkness test

for moral reasons

[spark helm]

Some people want to fuck the pkmn. Most of the time it's the very humanoid ones.

I refuse to go further than this. Lol.

[terse idol]

Animals simply don't pass the Harkness test

[serene sage]

yeah

[terse idol]

Yeah let's tone it

[serene sage]

I agree

[terse idol]

Doooooown

[spark helm]

Ghats the explanation from me. big shrug.

Just don't fuck the babies or something. Idc

[serene sage]

when WoW has dragons transforming no body cares
when Pokemon does it everyone loses their mind

[spark helm]

:V

Muh alexstraza lotion.

Lmao

[bitter turtle]

You guys are significantly less fun than ppl last time this convo came up

[serene sage]

yeah

[spark helm]

I'm fun. Hey.

[bitter turtle]

And one of you has some anthro dragon avatar

[serene sage]

we need the frenchman

[shadow aurora]

Whats happening

[bitter turtle]

So I expected more from you especially

Boring

[serene sage]

would you fuck latios in human form

[terse idol]

Oh no recon bad

Not my vid

[spark helm]

Bruh lmao

With the fucking mudkip too

[shadow aurora]

Nice conversation i gotta go do something

[serene sage]

anyway

i want

[spark helm]

Bro just showed up

[serene sage]

the Gunlance from MH

as a weapon

[spark helm]

Ayo wanna fuck a pkmn?

[serene sage]

like a melee gun

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-blank-stare-stare-anime-mio-naganohara-gif-24979431

I'm almost done laughing

[serene sage]

look, there is enough specificity here to warrant a "discussion"

i just bought MH

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[serene sage]

fun game so far, except for the tracking part

[bitter turtle]

Nice

World?

[serene sage]

yeah

[terse idol]

https://youtu.be/D5bOJT_HtUI?si=0Q79RSRoL4djIHK1

[bitter turtle]

Lmk if you wanna play sometime when I get home lul

I love mh

[spark helm]

I mean, cool art.

Also no. Would rather slide on one of the professors or something.

Maybe some moms.

[serene sage]

Cynthia has me acting unwise

[bitter turtle]

What if the mom was secretly a pokemon

[spark helm]

:/

Welp.

[fossil basalt]

"Mom are you a pokemon"

[bitter turtle]

You know it's actually canon that ppl married pokemon in the games

It's not me

[spark helm]

I'd hope I knew cuz that'd lowkey make me feel real fucked up.

[bitter turtle]

I didn't make it up

Blame game freak

Diamond pearl

[fossil basalt]

Are you gonna get your girlfriend a water stone?

[bitter turtle]

No I'm a mono grass person

[spark helm]

Not like, really from fucking the pkmn but like, definitely having been lied to and had my consent manipulated.

Plenty of pkmn with the mental awareness to know they're doing some bullshit at that point.

[fossil basalt]

Hey guys did you know that in terms of-

[serene sage]

my favorite type is steel

[spark helm]

But that's not really my point I guess.

[terse idol]

Oh my god, its that meme with the Mr. Mime and ashes mom

[bitter turtle]

In the jp text eating at the same table was kekkonsuru

[terse idol]

I'm losing it

[bitter turtle]

Or literal marriage

[idle swallow]

there are no laws against the pokemon batman

[fossil basalt]

Hey guys did you know that in terms of human companionship, Flareon is objectively the most huggable Pokemon? While their maximum temperature is likely too much for most, they are capable of controlling it, so they can set themselves to the perfect temperature for you. Along with that, they have a lot of fluff, making them undeniably incredibly soft to touch. But that's not all, they have a very respectable special defense stat of 110, which means that they are likely very calm and resistant to emotional damage. Because of this, if you have a bad day, you can vent to it while hugging it, and it won't mind. It can make itself even more endearing with moves like Charm and Baby Doll Eyes, ensuring that you never have a prolonged bout of depression ever again.

[sudden seal]

starting to get into vet, whats the better laz pistol, ive been running the shout so far if thats important

[spark helm]

And also, if you've seen pkmn smut that's not like strictly fucked up and gross, people just draw the already matured humanoid ones just, more overtly human.

Furry artists been doing this for ages.

[gray finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/899763415290097664/1191181680933879878/20240101_002234_0000.png?ex=65a48163&is=65920c63&hm=711eef6ca6408781d58b645d27e66293d4f45b1f6b76d2b93b6527fac2285e41&

[terse idol]

Yeah

[serene sage]

[fossil basalt]

Well, do you like faster fire rate or slower?

[serene sage]

the higher firerate is easier to use and build around

[ripe garden]

anyony seen any interrogatoin missions lately? or am I just timing it badly

[spark helm]

Interrogation?

[sudden seal]

is that the only real diff? then prob the faster firerate if the dps is similar

[spark helm]

Oh the fucking uh

Data ones.

[ripe garden]

😐

[spark helm]

Espionage and I think investigation are what you're looking for sounds like right?

[serene sage]

haven't noticed, though I can't remember the last time I get to play Archivum Syncorax

[fossil basalt]

Well, not really but some people get sore fingers from the fast one

Fast one is great tho

[ripe garden]

missing that one on my damnation one and it is making me feeling very sad

[fossil basalt]

Aim for (haah) getting dumdum and + flak for starters!

[sudden seal]

i have a macro set up for such things (scared of caral tunnel)

[fossil basalt]

So #veteran-class did you know smoke grenades are really good?

[terse idol]

Get the full auto mod

Badaboom

[terse idol]

Theyre meh

Its okay

Can't block snipers

Very situational

But they're uh... fun

🥹

[junior needle]

My vids have spread

[bitter turtle]

Have you seen my plasma smoke build

[fossil basalt]

Chad preysense goggles vs virgin particulate matter

[bitter turtle]

https://youtu.be/bvTcePTUT_E?si=YJMvcwoiz6j-9h48

Feel the power

[scarlet vessel]

should i replace fire frenzy with Dum Dum 4 or Crit Chance to Maniac?

[junior needle]

I'd say dumdum is more important personally, 5% crit isn't bad

Also dont replace ff

[fossil basalt]

Haha it made me laugh, bodyshotting one of the few enemies that takes extra melee damage

[scarlet vessel]

then swap Sustained Fire to DumDum4?

[junior needle]

I'd go with it sus fire

[scarlet vessel]

Fire Frenzy only tier 2 so thinking of swapping that

[fossil basalt]

That's not to say recons aren't bad, just a funny example

[spark helm]

Sustained fire works with a little more slower shooting. Gotta do it in bursts.

[junior needle]

It's not about ttk for a mutie, it's about showcasing how poor their maniac dps (and dps in general) is. Mutie is just a high hp punching bag that reduces random variance for tests.

[spark helm]

But sometimes you really can't afford it so it's up to you

[scarlet vessel]

so sus fire for slower shooting, and dum dum also works for mag dumping, gonna keep the 5% cri tthen

[bitter turtle]

Column gets 4k dps on mutie

It's showing how bad the recon is as a similar gun

In terms of shooting style and usage

[spark helm]

Leave hard piss lasgun alone

[twin kettle]

What perk/bless to change into what?

[junior needle]

Gray/talentless ciag can get 3.4k headshot dps on maniacs

[spark helm]

Tbh if you want to do crit stuff depending on the difficulty this isn't terrible imo

[junior needle]

Built recon/talentless gets 1300 headshot dps, with +maniac damage

Gray/talentless ciag gets 1700 bodyshot dps

[spark helm]

A popular combo I've noticed is surgical and onslaught for its charge speed dps.

But what you have right now with a heavier ranged crit dmg build can do stuff.

https://tenor.com/view/hands-together-ready-get-paid-hiphop-scheming-gif-5008312

Are you interested in maybe...executioner stance?

[bitter turtle]

Why exec

It doesn't work on bayonet

[spark helm]

Fuck the bayonet.

[bitter turtle]

Oh wait that's an hb3 nvm

Gross

[junior needle]

Last I checked those perks should be fine and you'd change the blessings to surgical (higher tier) and onslaught

[fossil basalt]

Look I just need copium because the only barrage style lasrifles in the game are bad 🥹

[terse idol]

Just take uhh

[spark helm]

I'm going to slow cook the next person that brings up that fucking bayonet @_@

[terse idol]

Kantrael Ia

[bitter turtle]

Copenwith the 1a and autoclicker

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