veteran-class

[frank ether]

lmao

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

left tree vet be like

[gusty bison]

If ur doing melee vet take OFB

[frank ether]

zero survivability

[gusty bison]

Like

Just do it

Its better than zealot

[placid portal]

Legit only reason you go left is for the Superiority complex or Shock Trooper

[fossil basalt]

Sole left tree vet is the weakest vet

[wanton dawn]

Def not. Ofb is better on melee focus specifically if you take target down

[frank ether]

I just take precision/deadshot and leave it usually

but some builds I take superiority or shock trooper yea

[gusty bison]

OFB is just 50% toughness back on a single melee swing

Lel

Im the ogryn now

[torn root]

PRECISION STRIKES?!

[placid portal]

yea

ofc

[torn root]

DETERMINED?!?!

[placid portal]

Meh

[gusty bison]

Determined is gun dependent

[frank ether]

determined meh

[torn root]

i dont take determined to often tho

[frank ether]

on some guns sure

[gusty bison]

A lot of guns skip determined

[frank ether]

usually not

[torn root]

but it IS really good

[placid portal]

But I use Lucius so I don't get suppressed

[gusty bison]

On a few guns

Like the Infantry las

[torn root]

obviously

[gusty bison]

And uh

[torn root]

lmao

[gusty bison]

Headhunter?

[placid portal]

Or just....... Reposition and Peak Fire

[frank ether]

you're playing sharpshooter vet thats enough punishment in itself

[gusty bison]

What other guns need determined?

[placid portal]

[fossil basalt]

Anything you don't take ghost on lol

(All of them)

[placid portal]

IAGs?

well for agripinaa likely

[wanton dawn]

Bolter could use it but it play exec so...

[torn root]

sometimes

[gusty bison]

Lucius, Plasma, Bolter, IAG, Brauto, Shredder, Revolver all dont want it

[torn root]

but running to cover and repeaking is just as viable

[gusty bison]

IAG maybe

Determined doesnt stop aim punch from stagger and stun

[wanton dawn]

Does suppression immunity remove slowdown ?

[placid portal]

imagine not being able to hit anything with a shredder because you're suppressed but you never passed the 10 ballistic rolls of 3+

[torn root]

no

just the shake i think

[wanton dawn]

Man i miss stun immunity

[torn root]

at least that's what I take it for mostly

[gusty bison]

If they give us stun immunity back melee vet is just a full ass zealot lmao

[bitter turtle]

Grenades no longer be swift 😔

[torn root]

get back in the fight

become a zealot every 30 seconds

lmao

[gusty bison]

Lel

[versed merlin]

gonna tell my kids this is a sniper

[shadow aurora]

Might as well be

[wanton dawn]

Sir put that peg leg down

[placid portal]

Might as well be a single shot gun

[gusty bison]

Ngl, melee vet is a bit much atm. So much so it kinda makes the class have a confused identity

[shadow aurora]

Slug rounds are stupid accurate

[versed merlin]

actually i can make it even bigger

[torn root]

its a slug, pretty damn close to one

[placid portal]

*pinpoint accuracy

[gusty bison]

Suppression immune too

[bitter turtle]

Add a scope

True sniper

You know wha4

[wanton dawn]

You still fold in 2s

[versed merlin]

it doesnt even fit the screen

[placid portal]

So, anyone enjoying the chain axe boofs?

Ngl I love chain axe now

[bitter turtle]

I'm gonna make an agri shotgun with a scope

[shadow aurora]

I love it

[gusty bison]

Eh? Not really. Vet has so much toughness recovery

[bitter turtle]

Add a scope you coward

[versed merlin]

same

[bitter turtle]

The biggest one

[wanton dawn]

Rephrasing: melee vet is always 2s away from folding

[versed merlin]

love it just as much as i love agri shotty

[placid portal]

Agripinaa Shotgun is actually a single shot weapon

[gusty bison]

Thats true of everyone lol

[shadow aurora]

Not if youre good

[placid portal]

[gusty bison]

One trapper

Bam

[versed merlin]

you know how much i hate zoomed fov

i installed weapon fov just so i could enjoy vraks

[torn root]

veterans are not just good at using guns

[shadow aurora]

Just do it for the screenshot

[placid portal]

Netted and grilled with incindiary and Tox flame

[torn root]

no identity crisis

[bitter turtle]

Then it's not a sniper

[wanton dawn]

Not zealot nor ogryn, they have non thoughness dr

[gusty bison]

Doesnt matter when ur netted

Thats the main threat anyway in melee

[versed merlin]

okay lmao wth is this

[gusty bison]

You rarely take more than 2-3 hits in quick succession

[placid portal]

heck trappers being maniac also makes them quite resistant to melee damage as well iirc

[torn root]

Shotgun*

lmao

[shadow aurora]

Thats cool as hell

[torn root]

sure!

[gusty bison]

They fire while in melee so its very dangerous to melee them

And are very stagger resistant once they enter the shooting animation

[versed merlin]

i will learn to play with this 16x scope just so i can keep this appearance ngl

[placid portal]

Yea it's the Tournament legal modifications

[bitter turtle]

Lol

[torn root]

lmao

[gusty bison]

Just never ads

[torn root]

the gun looks too big for the stock

[gusty bison]

Ez

[bitter turtle]

I wish you could adjust the scope zooms

[versed merlin]

same

[bitter turtle]

I can only stand using ranger vigil

But it's so stubby

[gusty bison]

Imagine using a scope

:3

[bitter turtle]

I don't need to imagine

[versed merlin]

yeah ranger vigil is as far as i go

[bitter turtle]

I am

Imagine imagining things

[shadow aurora]

Imagine using ads at all. I hipfire 99% of the time

[bitter turtle]

Imagine playing darktide

[shadow aurora]

Yeah go touch grass and be outside

[versed merlin]

i was an iron sights gang until i became not-so-stubborn anymore and tried this mod. i have no regrets

[bitter turtle]

I'm touching cement and concrete

Does that count

There's not much grass here

[shadow aurora]

Might as well be

[torn root]

not unless there are weeds between the cracks

[versed merlin]

how about a old sweaty and gamer smelling chair?

[placid portal]

Yes my job is to cut grass and deliver them to redditors that never went outside but tells their online peers they've touched grass

[torn root]

you could start as business off that no lie

[shadow aurora]

I love being outdoors i dont understand why people dont like it

[torn root]

try living in NYC

you'll have about 30 reasons in 3 mins

[placid portal]

Lawn cutting Services do be a thing

[shadow aurora]

Well that was your first mistake

[placid portal]

Though I'm not in the US

[placid portal]

NY be like:
"If it's fun we will regulate it or tax it to the point it aint fun no more"

[torn root]

you like living?

multiply the cost to do so by 5

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-daddy-gif-5368681

I should make a buckshot shotgun build again

[shadow aurora]

Guys im gonna do make every shot count. If i use shotgun and pellets miss but a few hit will that negatively affect my accuracy

[torn root]

just use the slug gun

be safe a lot of people have been having issues with other guns

[shadow aurora]

Im on controller we both know i cant aim rat

[torn root]

dump them into a monstrosity

and crushers

[shadow aurora]

Well heres my idea

[torn root]

its sad but just go for suboptimal kills

[shadow aurora]

Hit one perfect shot with lawbringer

Then use special ammo the rest of the game

Even if missing pellets doesnt give me accuracy it doesnt matter because id have 100%

Would that work?

Ok ill use slugs

[torn root]

not sure

would just try it?

[shadow aurora]

Well i was hoping someone might already know so i dont have to potentially waste 20 minutes

But i dont see why it wouldnt work

But ik fatshark has spaghetti code so idk

[fossil basalt]

You can also use the new revolver and fanfire into crowds, I did that last night when I was bored

Just kit out for melee vet and, as previously mentioned, shoot suboptimal targets you know you'll get one, two bullets into and those 80ish rounds will be gone halfway through

Just be sure there's no survivalist aura in your team

You can miss one and a half reloads worth of bullets-ish if my math is right

[gray stone]

whats the general consensus on the combat shotguns nowadays?

[fossil basalt]

Kantrael goated, lawbringer ass, agrip to taste

S'what I see, at least

[gray stone]

does the fire part of the kantrael do much?

[fossil basalt]

Considering it's pellets in a spread that apply a fire DoT, yeah
It puts in work

[gray stone]

what about blessings?

[fossil basalt]

Can melt a horde in at little as three shots

[frank ether]

I don't understand fire shells

[fossil basalt]

Now that's a question for others in here, I don't know shotgun blessings

[gray stone]

aight, cheers tho

[frank ether]

as in I dont understand how to build for it

but agripina that I do understad

[fossil basalt]

Haven't gotten to them yet

[frank ether]

pocket sniper slug shell

[tropic imp]

They are a DoT with infinite cleave

[frank ether]

Oh, its for the cleave

ok I get it

[tropic imp]

DoTs benefit a lot from crit

[frank ether]

thats the strange part

[tropic imp]

So scattershot on kantrael is really good

[frank ether]

I've made a deadshot build for it

[fossil basalt]

Wish the Lawbringer duckbill shot was better

[frank ether]

and I wasnt very impressed by it

[tropic imp]

And then you could choose between flechette for another DoT

[frank ether]

maybe I should have taken cleave into account

[tropic imp]

Man stopper for better primary fire performance

And a couple others

[dusty sluice]

is this worth it?

or is it bricked?

melk is also selling this

[gray stone]

idk but with that modifier roll im pretty bricked

[torn root]

get it thats a pain in the ass to farm for

[dusty sluice]

oain

[tropic imp]

You need surgical so you can only change 1 perk

[gray stone]

this is a good day for my melk offers. all goes downhill from here

dont think ive ever seen a 380 modifier myself in melks

convinced he just hates me

[fossil basalt]

I'm of the opinion if melk brings anything that isn't t4 blessings it's a waste but

[frank ether]

this gun needs to have surgical so one of the perks will brick at least

[gray stone]

on the plus side he sold t4 deadly accurate so i can round this gun out now

[frank ether]

thats pretty good

[gray stone]

i think its god-god rolled now no?

ah, but now Hadron is poor-shaming me

back to deployment

[dusty sluice]

when tf did i get these for the headhunter

erm

i do not remember this

[gray stone]

man grinds in his sleep

[dusty sluice]

guh

[spice wadi]

Back in the prehistoric era when mg12 was the gun of guns

Altho u could not store blessings

Hmmmm

Maybe ur senile

[fossil basalt]

I kinda hope they give KanXII a little something... more

It's in a really weird spot rn

[frank ether]

doesnt this kinda apply to all of them

infant lasguns are weird

at least with recons its easy, they're just bad case closed

[fossil basalt]

I mean, the MgIV is up there as far as killtime goes, and the Ia can definitely perform where the KanXII previously did for shooter clear

KanXII just has enough power to kill the things you need to be dead with enough lack of firerate to get uncomfortable compared to the power

I almost want to say it needs cleave but then it starts breaking into the Helbore's identity

They're very very headshot dependent, big surprise lol

Maybe I'd lean it a bit into laspistol territory, make it the crit lasrifle

[untold mulch]

They will be good

September 2024

or so

[fossil basalt]

I still think they need to make and keep recons bad so the hellgun they release later has a niche

[untold mulch]

wait october, and then nerf it again in november

Recon is only allowed 1 of the variants to be good for a month

[untold mulch]

Eh, I personally think there is enough about Hellguns to keep them separate

Heat system, heavier by nature

[fossil basalt]

My expectations for hellguns are terrible damage except for monstrosities but ALL the suppression

[untold mulch]

why terrible damage?

[fossil basalt]

Inaccuracy

[twin ingot]

my finger is dead after one maelstorm run

[dusty sluice]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/87

[fossil basalt]

I have no idea how that blessing combo fairs, but I think it might be your problem too

[twin ingot]

nope

I wish falter was more consistent

its way to random

[quick steeple]

^this. falter is garbage on the IV gun has basically zero stagger to begin with.

which also makes respite poopoo

[twin ingot]

I meant no respite

[quick steeple]

on that gun they are both garbage

[fossil basalt]

It's more for helbores

[twin ingot]

its for goons

and it works on them

[fossil basalt]

With the MkIV you want something more like deadly accurate+Head hunter, will be much more reliable

[twin ingot]

specials I just headshot

[quick steeple]

if you cant kill a goon the gun isnt doiing its job lol

[twin ingot]

ew no

makes it harder to kill maulers

[quick steeple]

its a lasgun.. its not meant to kill maulers

KRAK NADE

[keen skiff]

does power cycler have only a +1 blessing or is there a +2?

[fossil basalt]

Or hel, shoot em in the leg where they have flak, doesn't matter anyways you won't really stagger them

[fossil basalt]

1 at Tier 3, 2 at tier 4

[keen skiff]

thank you

[quick steeple]

@twin ingot whats +90% of zero...
those are the IV's stagger multipliers, or lack thereof

[keen skiff]

bro

the fucking timing???

spared me plasteel thanks bbg

[fossil basalt]

Fuckin throne on a blue

[keen skiff]

i KNOW right

[quick steeple]

jfc lucky

[keen skiff]

now to get a decent sword

[twin ingot]

discord why

[keen skiff]

[fossil basalt]

Sadge no proper embed

[twin ingot]

ok how do you upload videos correctly in discord now

[fossil basalt]

But yeah, as a MkIV/carpal tunnel stan, deadly accurate+HH will mop

[keen skiff]

@twin ingot below i think 10mb embeds

[fossil basalt]

No idea

[keen skiff]

let me check

[quick steeple]

hell even infernus feels good on crit chance builds

[twin ingot]

[fossil basalt]

I was gonna say Deadly+HH/Infernus lol

Love me an infernus las

[twin ingot]

I scrap every infernus las I get honestly

[fossil basalt]

melts bosses real nice

[quick steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-boba-fett-the-mandalorian-this-is-the-way-the-book-of-boba-fett-mandalorian-gif-24825263

[keen skiff]

NOOOOOOO

welp time to play a match just to upgrade my sword and back to bed

[fossil basalt]

My build is infernus+deadly with +flak +maniac, and then that new knife mark with mercy killer, rending backstab and the serrated blade perk

Makes short work of pretty much anything provided it's used with a team that can take the heat from me stealthing into armor backstabs or getting an angle on the monstrosities

It aint the best but it's fun

[keen skiff]

as long as its fun thats all that matters imo

[twin ingot]

I hope you don't use smoke bombs in that loudout

[keen skiff]

no point using something if its not fun in my eyes

[fossil basalt]

I do, actually, but that's because it's for damage support and pushing objectives

[quick steeple]

HH/inf would be your best bet in a crit build, deadly works too but considering how critdmg increases are calculated the value isnt as good comparatively

[fossil basalt]

When it needs to be more... self sustaining? It's shredders and stockpile

[twin ingot]

ugh why

[fossil basalt]

True, I never ran numbers

[twin ingot]

smoke is like useless

[fossil basalt]

Smokes are busted, you just don't know how they work

[quick steeple]

no need to, this game is weird with crDmg, it only mods on the existing crit not the base mult so its minimal gains

[wanton shoal]

What would you guys use for Agrip Revolver traits? Mine came with Maniac/Unyielding

[quick steeple]

they are partially nonfunctioning atm

[twin ingot]

just bad

rather have a melta bomb

[fossil basalt]

Well, yes, but where they do work it's very nice

[twin ingot]

so as bad as its inseption

it just has no place in darktide

smokes are mp utilities

not single player game things

[fossil basalt]

They're essentially psyker bubble, but as mentioned they only half-work right now

[twin ingot]

minus the shielding part

[fossil basalt]

They still break most ranged enemies by forcing them into melee

[twin ingot]

not helping the matter for a range only focus vet as I prefer them with a gun instead of melee

so you just push more melee people onto us who focus on guns

[fossil basalt]

Again, they're psyker bubble

If you stand in the cloud (not in the center where the smoke obscures your view) enemies can't draw LoS where you are, only where you were previously

I've turned an open field into a completely safe place to pick enemies off from for 30s just by underhanding a grenade

[twin ingot]

or

just take cover

[fossil basalt]

If you can find it, sure thing!

[twin ingot]

which is most of the time

[fossil basalt]

Yep

I'm not saying they're not situational

[quick steeple]

tbf thats a gamesense issue melee distance interaction is required no matter what youre playing

[twin ingot]

yea I know I use melee to fight hordes I just don't like being blinded

[fossil basalt]

I mean, yeah

The opacity of the smoke is a common complaint and I'll be the last person to deny that

Smokes can be better, just saying that where they do work right now they're busted as all hel

[twin ingot]

everyone I know hates the smoke and calls it a dumb thing that does nothing but blinds people

[fossil basalt]

They aren't as dead a pick as many make them out to be, and people who think they're a dead pick just refuse to even try them

[twin ingot]

my boyos did

they hate it even after using it

they said use psykers with a bubble instead

[fossil basalt]

Then go make a new character and grab bubble with a different talent spread? #psyker-class 🤷

We're talking about a vet support grenade

One that doesn't even work entirely right now

[twin ingot]

i just think they should remove it and shove it in a barrel and add a melta bomb instead

[quick steeple]

the big issue with them is inconsistency with how AI reacts when they are in/at edge of it; its not predictable for all mobs or consistent even for some one time to the next. if this was fixed I'd def be using more in a few builds but i cant trust the inconsistency of that 3rd effect

[fossil basalt]

Sorry oggies got the big bomb

[fossil basalt]

Soon as they patch em up they're gonna see so much use, I feel

So I'm just... practicing haha

Still, I just really enjoy smokes where they do work
Very satisfying

[south vessel]

every damn time I try the power sword, even with +2 energised hits, it just feels so damn finicky

in the same time I could have killed the bunch with an axe

[fossil basalt]

III or VI?

I'm no power sword user I have the same sentiments but VI is deffo the horde pick if you're using III

[south vessel]

I'm using VI with Cycler IV

[fossil basalt]

Brutal momentum? Rampage?

[south vessel]

BM, have yet to roll a rampage to try it with

[fossil basalt]

BM is generally superior IIRC but it's definitely a cadence weapon

[south vessel]

it feels to me like the non-powered hits just suck too much, and the powered ones take too long when you need to clear space quickly

I dunno, it's probably just because I have many hours played with the combat axe too

[quick steeple]

from a dmg or stagger perspective

[south vessel]

damage

[quick steeple]

IV is gonna be less overall but its also just Latk spams for horde

[fossil basalt]

Yeah power sword needs the space to charge that mechanic up, not bsing able to dodge back to hit charge before dodging back in will get you

[quick steeple]

III has more output if you are weaving single /mixed horde combos with the faster push counter and L1 has permastagger on singles which can be nice

[south vessel]

I definitely felt slow af running around to kill stray gunners etc

[quick steeple]

you really need max mobility on em rn ya

[south vessel]

generally the tougher chaff (flak helmet boys) took like ~3 lights without powering IIRC, and powering for strays feels bad

me hit with axe, head fall off

[fossil basalt]

Axe is very power sword adjacent considering they both run BM

Power sword just hurts more in its statblocks because it can totally use all of those maxed out

[south vessel]

I don't have a great cleave roll, but I don't think more cleave is what I'm after. I don't think my roll could get much better

[fossil basalt]

Yeah, just Tier4 BM

The difference between them, really, is that axe with Headtaker does absolutely fuck

[south vessel]

I'd like that, I'm just not sure +2.5% weakspot dam is gonna make me love it so I'm reticent to spend the mats

[quick steeple]

also need to actually aim for head with the stabby

[fossil basalt]

It might just be what you need to hit key breakpoints though; dunno

I can't really aim too well in melee, that's why I run a lacerate knife for horde clear lmao

[south vessel]

with the axe I find you really have to try to not hit heads lol

[fossil basalt]

Yeah it's all high angles and downwards chopz, innit?

[south vessel]

yeah it's slight diags

on the lights, heavy is vertical

[unique anvil]

Hello asking for help, is the Autogun or the Recon Lasgun better for high rate of fire horde clear?

[quick steeple]

on MV IV for single target you should be blockpush > into Hvy anyway which is a stab at head. Charge during approach slide and you dont lose any momentum no stopping just kill and keep going

[south vessel]

why can't we gift weapons in Darktide T_T

[fossil basalt]

Gotta pad those playtimes

[quick steeple]

cause the whole disc would be "plz give me godroll w/ poppyseeds"

[fossil basalt]

And people would still be failing damnations lol

[south vessel]

Columnus Mk V will do basically everything (except crushers)

[quick steeple]

itd be way worse honestly lol

[south vessel]

you can drop/trade in lots of free to play MMOs and those definitely want to pad playtime

[fossil basalt]

You shouldn't be using your ranged weapon for horde clear, but a columnus MkV infantry autogun (as mentioned) or (especially) a braced autogun does wonders because of solid rounds hitting multiple chaff enemies

Recon lasguns are a pinpoint weapon, not really horde clear despite their high rate of fire
Sadly they are also just in a really poor place right now

Braced autoguns have the added benefit of dealing collateral damage

There's something to be said for burst firing into a horde with a braced

[quick steeple]

braced agripinaa is

[fossil basalt]

Wish the braced colum was a bit better

But eh

[quick steeple]

nahh let agri have this one lol

[fossil basalt]

Poor poor braced graia

[quick steeple]

gra-who?

[fossil basalt]

I think it's that infantry autogun, never heard of a braced version pal

[unique anvil]

Really? LOL

Okay thanks

I'll still with the Autogun then, love my mid range killer

[quick steeple]

oh boy

[fossil basalt]

Yeah it's just that we're in a horde game, there's more hordes than ammo usually

That's where the braced auto shines tho

[south vessel]

me, trying a meme recon las build rn

[unique anvil]

I have a shovel for that

[fossil basalt]

Swap utility of ADS of an IAG for the sheer fun and ability (through that aforementioned collateral statblock) to more effectively kill hordes and grouped enemies

If you don't mind tapfiring to try to hit distant enemies, BIG recommend on a braced if you want close-mid range clear

IAGs are still pinpoint-encouraged weapons

Brautos go brrrrrr

[fossil basalt]

Look, I too pull out my meme recons from time to time but I can't deny they need to be tucked in and read a book so they can sleepies until they wake up to a big helping of buffs for breakfast

[frank ether]

just a failed concept without any gameplay elements to back it up

[fossil basalt]

Ok good yeah you get it then

Some people come in here expecting to be able to magdump everything and still have boolets left

[frank ether]

Ironically it does more to harm your teammates than the AI

[twin ingot]

[frank ether]

It simply does not belong in an arcade game the way its implemented

Comparing it to psyker shield is just silly unless I'm missing sarcasm there

[quick steeple]

ngl a scriers gaze psyker crit build w/ HH+Infernus is really fun on the VId/VIIa lol

[fossil basalt]

No sarcasm? It works like psyker shield in that if you reposition in the smoke cloud ranged units (barring snipers) can't target your new location and will either walk into the cloud or continue firing where you were previously

[south vessel]

I've stacked rending and crits and it does good work against crushers and Maulers

[fossil basalt]

It's not psyker shield with toughness regen, but it breaks ranged units like psyker shield when it does work

[unique anvil]

Eh Vermintide Veteran haha the Outcast Engineer in that game with his machine gun is mid

[frank ether]

You give up shredders to be a worse psyker in every way imagineable

[fossil basalt]

I haven't even tried a recon on my psyker yet, yike lol

[frank ether]

thats a good plan

[south vessel]

but yea it needs so many talent points in comparison to other guns

[fossil basalt]

Yeah, that's kind of how it went

We had this conversation already though, that was pages back

Smokes need buffs, we all agree

[frank ether]

Its not gonna get one

ever

because anytime the discussion is open

[torn root]

its actually sad that you have to download a mod just so some of the talent descriptions are explained

FATSHARK

[frank ether]

someone swears about how its actually really good

but we're just not getting it

I have like 1000 hours in csgo

I understand what smokes do

[torn root]

dont they do the same thing in this game?

[fossil basalt]

Again, we went over it. They work when they do and they don't when they don't. They have perfectly workable half-interactions that can totally be buffed up and filled in

But yeah, we'll continue opening the convo until they do something

[torn root]

obstruct vision

doesnt stop shooting lmao

so uesless

[frank ether]

they obstruct vision for human players so yes.

[torn root]

whoever thought of putting them in this game might have just been board

[frank ether]

so does most psyker staffs but they come with the added benefit of killing everything

if you're gonna make me blind at least rack some kills

[fossil basalt]

They do the same thing for enemies provided you're in the smoke cloud

They just don't kick in reliably if you use them to actually break LoS

[frank ether]

except lets see

melee enemies who just charge in as if its not there

[torn root]

I wouldnt use smokes

[fossil basalt]

Best to drop em either on the enemies or on your team

[torn root]

just slide

same effect lmao

[frank ether]

gunners who keep shooting into the smoke

[torn root]

yup

[frank ether]

snipers that can track you perfectly fine through it

[fossil basalt]

Plush, scroll up

We covered all this lol

[torn root]

smokes are just the tax you have to take going down on the right side of the tree

[fossil basalt]

I think smokes are fun, yes I use them, yes they're bad

[frank ether]

you don't have to take it like a personal insult when I say something you like sucks

[fossil basalt]

Yeah but you replied to a comment I made at the top of a conversation that we had that already covered all the points you're making?

[torn root]

so not after downloading a mod i have learned that at 8m Longshot gives you 1% more damage

fun

[frank ether]

yes, so I'm replying to them on how I agree

[torn root]

gunna consider this talent as a tax for going down the left tree at the start

[fossil basalt]

Yeah longshot ain't great but hey it's extra damage

[frank ether]

8m is practically melee

so unless you're stuffing barrel into something point blank

longshot is adding something

[torn root]

swap the location with killzone

would be nice

[frank ether]

killzone is worse though

[torn root]

no it'snot

[fossil basalt]

Wish we had easier references for distances in the Psykhanium

[torn root]

you COULD aim for someone outside of your range when there are a million enemies in your face, which is nice

[umbral scaffold]

tfw 2 zelots have ammo boxes and everyone is in orange territory with ammo and they wont drop them

[frank ether]

killzone will disable itself when I'm trying to shoot a crusher across 30 meters, because the game teleported a poxwalker behind me. Longshot will not.

[torn root]

but generally you take care of things in front of you

you can kite to make enemies have 8m of distance

[dense belfry]

Any tips for a lv 12?

[torn root]

15% damage at 8m instead of 1% at 8m is kinda crazy when you look at it like that

[fossil basalt]

Keep leveling!

[dense belfry]

[torn root]

try to keep your coherency at 2 or 3

[frank ether]

what are you shooting at 8 meters

thats melee range

[torn root]

do a 360 every few seconds

[quick steeple]

learn to block / pushcounter
practice gap closing ranged enemies/positioning
always check behind you

[dense belfry]

huh?

[fossil basalt]

Sorry I couldn't help myself

[quick steeple]

HUG YOUR TEAMS BUTT

[fleet garden]

uwu

[torn root]

Sir, im using Columnus 90% of the game, im shooting because I CAN

SHOTGUNS EXIST AS WELL

[frank ether]

yes

[barren cave]

did melks weeklies reset yet?

[frank ether]

longshot benefits you more than killzone does

[dense belfry]

oh, stick close.

[fleet garden]

give me more marks of the columnus

[quick steeple]

you literally buff each other yes

[torn root]

yeah stick close to at least one other person

coherency is a circle around your character that works like a chain link

[fossil basalt]

Don't split up

pay attention to how weapons behave, different weapon marks have different swing patterns or firerates
Don't improve lots of gear a ton early on, you'll replace it later very quickly

[torn root]

so you dont need to be next to 3 other players exactly to get it to lvl 4

[dense belfry]

that's what it's called?

[torn root]

yeah... the game kinda explains that one

except the chaining part

Biggest recommendation is the spinning one, more people need to 360, a lot of players dont pay attention to the back

or the side even

[quick steeple]

also get comfortable in melee with all enemy types/numbers. learn to move/BLOCK/dodge/BLOCK/push/BLOCK so you dont take dmg

did i mention block?

[dense belfry]

best bit about v2 i'd say.

is there more tech?

[white minnow]

besides sword bosses and ragers, I would not block that much

[fossil basalt]

This

To restate:

Is there an enemy behind you? Did you check?
Yes?
Cool, check again, one probably spawned in.
No? Check again!

[quick steeple]

white flashes on guns, sound cues, etc typically indicate when to slidesprint/ sidestep/backstep/ a unique attack from a special or gunner

[torn root]

this

turn off the damn music

i know its a masterpiece

but its too loud imo lmao

[shadow aurora]

No

[quick steeple]

booo u

[dense belfry]

[fossil basalt]

Or at least turn it down

[dense belfry]

heresey

[quick steeple]

L:ET THE DOOM METAL PLAY

[torn root]

nah turn that shit off

[shadow aurora]

100 volume or bust

[fossil basalt]

Look, every modern game is guilty of poor sound balancing

[torn root]

its good enough to distract you

even when low

[fossil basalt]

Especially the music

[shadow aurora]

I can hear trappers and snipers perfectly fine youre just deaf

[fossil basalt]

It's why we get sliders

And the oggies get hamburgers /j

[torn root]

turning it off might be a bit much but yeah having it on low is good enough

for general horde stuff and melee

[dense belfry]

[torn root]

you'll have to learn but when its just chaff, you can fight them against a wall

to keep your back protected

[fossil basalt]

Takeaway: if you're wanting to improve at the game and are studying sound cues, best to turn down the tunes for a bit

[torn root]

in some cases you can just slide against a wall in general

good tactic I picked up in Vermintide and DRG

when you dont have to worry about your back you won't get chipped

but only when its just chaff

[fossil basalt]

"Dodge" is a state of being, not a movement

[torn root]

and i know its melee, but try to aim it

[exotic drum]

I have a question about Weapon Specialist. It says 33% Ranged Critical Hit Chance per stack, does that mean in 10 stacks I have a 330% chance to crit? Wouldn't I only need 3 kills for a 100% ranged crit chance? Or is it 33% of my ACTUAL Ranged Crit Chance? Like if I have 10% Crit chance the 330% increase would just bring the 10 to like.. 33% crit chance..?

[torn root]

like actually

[exotic drum]

Am I over complicating it?

[dense belfry]

shove, dodge and thwack (sdt), is that viable for a place without walls?

[torn root]

this is why mods are nice

[dense belfry]

[torn root]

FATSHARK sucks

[forest scaffold]

additive

[exotic drum]

That looks neat and tidy and not fusterclucked

[forest scaffold]

3 kills gives you 100%

its why weapon specialist is so good with plasma gun and revolver

along with the whole "never reload again" thing

[exotic drum]

Why the hell would anyone need 330% crit chance? Is it more for the ranged attack speed?

[wet elk]

power sword + plasma gun + grenade spam build is great, flexible as hell

[forest scaffold]

fatshark not really caring

[quick steeple]

pretty much

[forest scaffold]

and it'd be tedious if you needed all 10 stacks to get 100% crit chance

though, honestly, nerf it

fuck the plasma gun and revolver

[quick steeple]

allows you tohave viable crit chance at less stacks in frequent swap

[dense belfry]

i just like the chain sword, saves me krak nades against the chain-axe blokes

[exotic drum]

Alright, fair. Thank you guys. Jesus.

[exotic drum]

What mod is this, if I may?

[dense belfry]

you do you.

[torn root]

take the emperor's blessing and just use it, yeah?

[south vessel]

the Emperor does not want me to penetrate

[thick needle]

Is playing Veteran at low level supposed to feel so bad

[torn root]

the highlighted ones

@exotic drum

[dense belfry]

bte that's gorgeous!

[exotic drum]

Thank you very much!

[thick needle]

Biblically accurate armor

[wet elk]

i just went revolver, it was a breeze lol

[quick steeple]

no

[wet elk]

and krak grenade

went 1 to 30 with revolver

[torn root]

it can feel bad for the 1st few levels, until you get Voice of Command

[wet elk]

just kill elites and let team do the rest

[frank ether]

I mean you play executioner stance for a few levels which sucks

[dense belfry]

need an eight crazy nights meme with the krak grenade now.

[frank ether]

but thats like, few games

[torn root]

Vet and Psyker are really squishy at the begining of leveling

[fossil basalt]

I'm gonna say it, vet and psyker suck until lv12/13

[thick needle]

Trying to level a Veteran for the first time after maining Zealot and I feel simultaneously slow and weak and fragile

[wet elk]

i felt this till i got good curios

[south vessel]

tbh levelling is boring once you've done it once

[torn root]

Zealot imo has the best lvling experience in the game

[wet elk]

yeah im a zealot main, level 60 veteran now, it gets much better

[strange sparrow]

Veteran Leveling suck compared to Psyker and Zealot

[wet elk]

yes

[fossil basalt]

me on my twelfth character:

[strange sparrow]

Psyker get access to end game power blitz at level 10 shit

[south vessel]

lol

[torn root]

oh yeah

[thick needle]

Zealot is also pretty ass until you unlock Holy Revenant

[torn root]

curios help 100%

[strange sparrow]

(Assail)

[frank ether]

my psyker leveling was

[torn root]

for newer players my recommendation is to stack Toughness or Health Curios

[frank ether]

spam assail

[wet elk]

i wouldnt recommend vet to anyone starting because veteran is a big team supporter specialist killer class and you gotta know how to do basic stuff first to be good

[frank ether]

outdamage the lvl30 vets in my team

through sheer assail spam

and I leveled mine post-nerfs

[fossil basalt]

Recommended starter characters are deffo zealot oggy

[thick needle]

Rannick may be my worst hear-me-out

[torn root]

ogryn was iffy for me

since it was m 1st character

being a big ass bullet sponge was not fun

[thick needle]

Ogryn forces you to git gud with evasion

[wanton shoal]

zealot needs more cool support stuff imo

[south vessel]

I have hundreds of hours in DT and run aurics, don't make me painfully hit things with shit weapons for ages pls gem. It turns the difficulty into having shit gear rather than, you know, the game being actually fun and difficult

[dense belfry]

and respecting the line of fire

[torn root]

ogryn is beefy tho so you wont go down as easy, and you get 1 extra try compared to the other classes

[fossil basalt]

Oohh cool you got a shiny relic big woop wanna fite about it?

[thick needle]

No, plenty of Ogryn go their entire careers never learning that

[torn root]

oh yeah

[fossil basalt]

How can I pin this lmao

[torn root]

im tired of ogryns ngl

[dense belfry]

for sum reason

[torn root]

you SEE AND HEAR ME shooting

guess ill just walk in front

[thick needle]

I never learned to hate Ogryns until I found a gun I actually liked using

[torn root]

wish we had friendly fire

I'd gun down every ogryn that even tries to step on my screen

[fossil basalt]

Throne I wish they would bring in some level of friendly fire if only to actually get peopLE TO MOVE OUT OF MY WAY

[gusty grail]

Slowly

[dense belfry]

they are usually the shots that count too

[low lava]

Nah, ogryns walking in front of columnus fire are doing us a favor so we can say it isnt OP and has weaknesses

[torn root]

ever had an ogryn ask to kill snipers

then as you are shooting the idiot blocks your bullets?

my bad idiot is harsh

[gusty grail]

Is it wrong that the scoreboard makes me hate 90% of Zealot players 😭

[thick needle]

Use the Grenade Gauntlet
Kill them yourself
Be a man

[torn root]

scoreboard is a plague to this community

and will always be

[low lava]

Kickback still 2shot snipers at 70 meters

Its fine

[torn root]

everyone ego trips over the scoreboard

[gusty grail]

This is a skill issue (you picked a weapon that doesn't pen enough)

[thick needle]

I never downloaded Scoreboard, what's the problem

[torn root]

saw a dude here comment about carrying his team yesterday and i wanted to talk shit

[dense belfry]

Best take.

[torn root]

cause there was a zealot that did more damage, went down less, found more resources and everything

but i try to be nice

matter of fact they all went down 4+ times zealot didnt go down once, but HE carried

EGO

[dense belfry]

What being cares about some silly numbers instead of having fun?

[gusty grail]

The "Zealot who did more damage" is some unicorn stuff though

[torn root]

dont ever download it

[dense belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[torn root]

do the lobby a favor

[thick needle]

I judge whether I've carried by the number of revives I've pulled off

[torn root]

he had the one that shows the class and loadouts so yeahhe got outdamaged by one

[fossil basalt]

Ugh, don't even get me started on a vet that had M1 ping and killed the most elites, but also went down the most and generally annoyed everyone

Yeah you got the most elite kills, mkIV lasrifle is cracked lol

[gusty grail]

Ok but if you have never used the Scoreboard mod all you will have is doubt cuz you lack actual Numbers

[torn root]

but you know, you do more damage when you don't die so yeah

[marsh condor]

Zealots either go full sustain or burst damage, while Veterans feel like they do both.

[south vessel]

if you understand to look for damage taken, fewest times disabled/downed, and that more damage != more skill (e.g. Smite Psykers can be super useful, etc), the scoreboard is fine and lets you identify good builds (your own and others)

[unique anvil]

The bloody snub pistol so strong for close range

[patent swift]

Don't need a scoreboard to see if you're valuable to the team.

[south vessel]

also I have 'shots blocked' stat turned on and it's fun to see how many mag dumps the gungryns have eaten

[dense belfry]

My brother in the emperor I have an xbox.

[torn root]

scoreboard is a numbers farming tool im sorry

[south vessel]

tools are what you make of them, fren

[torn root]

a lot of the time i hear ppl in vc talking about that shit i wanna shove a grenade in their mouth

[gusty grail]

Well enjoy Harecy or w/e adults are talking

[fossil basalt]

I use scoreboard because I like to see just how bad some players are

.>

[frank flame]

JURGEN COSPLAY!

[fossil basalt]

(They don't want my feedback anyways)

[dense belfry]

*heresey

[torn root]

ppl seeand want damage so they just kite the hoard away fromt he team so they can solo while the team does objs, then go down and complain about not getting any help

[gusty grail]

Yeah of course you know how to spell it

[torn root]

im not helping the battle frenzied maniac sorry, i want my plasteel and i want out

[fossil basalt]

Harebsey!

[torn root]

last thign

ppl that VC about scoreboard either think you can only be good with high numbers or be bad when you dont have the highest number

[gusty grail]

"scoreboard doesn't matter, btw I'm literally a knife main and I'm just here to get carried and loot plasteel"

[torn root]

you cant be testing or trying something else new

[dense belfry]

By cadia, just have fun!

[low lava]

Honestly, crackhead style gameplay is fun, but that comes from playing slayer a lot in vt2. Its like steph curry in basketball, the difference between a 3 point god and a bricklayer is just making them lol

[torn root]

it doesn't matter but im about to turn VC off completely soon

[gusty grail]

That is typical behavior

[dense belfry]

If you want to test your weapons, go the meat grinder! It has difficulty scaling enemies!

[fossil basalt]

This, me a cracked out knife vet with infil pushing any objective I see and looting all the plasteel

[gusty grail]

Did you get the secret hard mode already?

[low lava]

Just understand when you get downed its your fault, like missing a 3 instead of ez dunk

[torn root]

"bro you only have 300k damage, carry weight" --- not me collecting 300+ plasteel and not going down all game

[fossil basalt]

I'm either going down once at the start and sticking my butt to the team or hard pushing while everyone else murderhobos

[torn root]

need for rerolls trumps me egoing numbers [on a mission]

[low lava]

The secret is when you run ahead and kill everything, you get all the easy plasteel pickups so no one can accuse you of not being a team player lmao

[torn root]

tell that to randoms online

watch them not agree lmao

[low lava]

Always top or 2nd in plasteel picked up if im mot playing payker but i dont do the side routes cuz im lazy lmao

[torn root]

it's never their fault they are alone behind or ahead of the team

[south vessel]

I basically never have anyone say anything about the scoreboard, in VC or text

[dense belfry]

Besides, keeping the team in mind and not hard focusing on your numbers has better validation. You want to compete? Go back to kerillian.

[south vessel]

No matter what I'm doing, even if doing a test or meme build

I literally can't remember a single time

[torn root]

had a few yesterday and 2 earlier today

[gusty grail]

Probably because you aren't being toxic knife Zealot

[fossil basalt]

The smart ones know they can get banned if they do

[torn root]

can you?

[dense belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/live-jonkler-reaction-joker-batman-arkham-man-gif-17809721599016283530

[hearty panther]

No.

[dense belfry]

Almost as if we're playing a co-op game

[low lava]

Not sure if fatshark bans considering some of the spicy names ive seen lol

[torn root]

i've seen someone named futtbucker

was pretty funny

[old quail]

the most ive seen of ppl commenting on scoreboards is one dude was like "jesus christ you killed a lot of elites" when i was playing zealot

[low lava]

Warriorpriestofnigmar, never forget

[old quail]

ive had ppl be toxic to me but it was completely unrelated to scoreboard

[torn root]

uug wrong reply

[torn root]

ayo

[dense belfry]

[pearl granite]

is dis shovel gud? I'm thinking about using it with plasma

[wet elk]

how many carapace enemies can a plasma gun pierce?

[dense belfry]

BTW are there any krieger cosmetics? Cannae find them.

[torn root]

i actually like the blessing combo

perks gotta change

[strange sparrow]

There is, but it’s out of rotation rn

[wet elk]

you need a melee that is good to wave clear trash, that seems like for heavy hitting

[strange sparrow]

You need to buy it when it’s rotated in

[fossil basalt]

When they said modding was gonna be added I'm fairly certain there was a bit that said as long as it doesn't effect other players, and added in that if someone was toxic because they had X and someone else didn't but started being toxic because of it, that's grounds enough for a ban if they get reported

[torn root]

nah CC is fine too

[dense belfry]

Any idea of the total cost of them?

[pearl granite]

so once again it's psword? 😂

[torn root]

with his set up it will kill chaff

[gusty grail]

Well since you are on xbox lemme describe what a typical High Int Damnation has felt like for me in the last few days "oh they got downed by gunners again. What are you doing? Where are you going? Why are you running?"

[strange sparrow]

2400 Aquila

[wet elk]

with the plasma gun things dont get CCed, they just explode and die

[strange sparrow]

For one set

[gusty grail]

But thanks to technology I can see all that in a scoreboard

[strange sparrow]

Change to your own regional currency

[torn root]

talking about the shovel....

[wet elk]

i use that shovel too

[strange sparrow]

New set should cost 2700 Aquila meanwhile

[wet elk]

i pair with a wave clearing weapon

because it hits carapace and such super hard

[torn root]

most players right now are new

[dense belfry]

Wouldn't know. I' just started playing this.

[torn root]

so im only complaing about scoreboard ego kids

not expecting ppl to be good at the game and a bunch of ppl are just trying out damnation

[low lava]

The funny thing is, scoreboard probably is the best way to call out toxic players because it's objective information lol

Most toxic players probably don't use scoreboard or else they'd know how bad they are

[gusty grail]

So enjoy harebussy your controller isn't going to let you get much farther

[wet elk]

and the best way to BE toxic xd

[inland orchid]

^

[low lava]

I think I don't think I've ever met a toxic scoreboard user yet trying to use it to flex on people lol

[inland orchid]

I love staying humble without leaderboard mod

[gusty grail]

This. We are taking to one right now

[dense belfry]

Skill issue

[pearl granite]

I use scoreboard, glance at good peeps (high scorer) and try to notice what they do. also to check my own performance

[hearty panther]

Instead of studying a scoreboard, I study the blade.

[torn root]

i wish there were more ppl like that

[low lava]

but then it's been a while since I've dipped down to malice and heresy, when I do go in its a smooth run and smooth runs don't generate salt

[patent swift]

Correct use of a scoreboard

[strange sparrow]

The only important stats on scoreboard is plasteel looters

You can suck entire game

But if you collected 500+ plasteel

[pearl granite]

hey I actually appreciate a good looter

[dense belfry]

It's okay, do whatever difficulty takes your fancy!

[torn root]

THIS!

[gusty grail]

Unless you lose

[wet elk]

looters

[dense belfry]

Based.

[torn root]

if you not looting my plasteel dont @ me bruh!

[strange sparrow]

You still get rewarded for losing too

[pearl granite]

though so many people just run. they don't even pick healing and ammo boxes for god sake!

[strange sparrow]

[torn root]

rather lose with 175-200 in my pocket than nothing

[rain hatch]

Then you still get more than a malice or some hereseys

[low lava]

I don't loot ammo boxes because all of my builds are designed around not needing ammo so other people can have it

Good guy builds

[pearl granite]

AAAAAND there is this one dude, when I ask why they don't pick plas and dia, they says "why, aren't those psyker's ammo?"

[gusty grail]

Oh boy the ultimate cope. 'i looted so much plasteel and get to keep some of it when we die!"

[torn root]

how is that cope?

it's fact lmao

[rain hatch]

Idk why you're being so toxic lmao

[torn root]

yeah weird

[muted knot]

ay yo

thats like

[gusty grail]

I guess the real question is how often you lose at Damnation (please tell me you don't actually go into Auric Damnation)

[dense belfry]

My brother in christ, you literally compare numbers with no immediate benefeit whatsoever, besides would you rather have it or not.

[muted knot]

really fucking good innit ?

[rain hatch]

Oh by the way @dense belfry you can achieve anything on xbox

[gusty grail]

As long as PC carries

[torn root]

1. i do farm in auric damnation during the day, you lose less there because ppl that play auric know what they are doing. spoke about it a few days ago

[dense belfry]

Yes, thanks

[rain hatch]

I really don't know why your being a dick bc I've carried plenty of PC players

Everyone is ass

[inland orchid]

^

[torn root]

2. losing in damnation just happens atm, because of all the new players and I like to test things

[rain hatch]

Regardless of platform

[inland orchid]

We all be human after all

[dense belfry]

(Says the try harder.)

[torn root]

3. NO ONE is ever ALWAYS on top of their game when playing

[gusty grail]

Jesus Christ save me. "I run Auric Damnation to get carried" please do not try to convince me of anything you leech

[torn root]

who's lost child is this?

[inland orchid]

Leech? All i see is easy rescue farming

Gotta make the most of all situations

[rain hatch]

Fr

[dense belfry]

Maybe you run lower difficulties cus you're not able to carry?

[dusty sluice]

i wanted to try the mk3 helobre, i didn't know the bayonet would be THAT BAD

holy shit

[rain hatch]

You smell like potato chips and sweat, probably a loner zealot player

[gusty grail]

"just happens" how often does it just happen to you

[torn root]

its funny

because good players leech off of one another

its called teamwork

you bot

[inland orchid]

Ye my teammates leech off the kills while I leech off their ammo, is win win

[sharp ember]

it’s less clunky if you hold and then release instead of tapping, but still not great

[inland orchid]

[dusty sluice]

i didn't think it would be a overhead lmfao

[dense belfry]

Please, bots have some intelligence. Maybe choose kinder words. XD

[stable socket]

some runs you just can't get anything done - i had one run where i literally ate shit constantly, went down like 10+ times (on wound zealot thankfully) and all i managed to do was clear some hordes and do some objectives while my vet and psyker did most of the heavy lifting

[sharp ember]

it doesn’t even stun better or deal better dps or cleave than the stabbing bayonet

[inland orchid]

That’s fine at least u tried ur best

We can’t all be perfect

[gusty grail]

No I'm in a discussion with a knife zelot who is going to turn off voice chat because people complain that all he does is loot plasteel and his cope is that losing Damnation is just a fact of life, also play Auric Damnation so the better players can carry you

[torn root]

nah players aren't allowed to have bad games, or just test something

apparently

but yeah it happens

[dusty sluice]

this mising any breakpoints?

[gusty grail]

Never said how often you lose Damnation

[rain hatch]

Shit happens bc there's so many bugs and you can literally clip through the map

[stable socket]

but other times i can kill lots of stuff and dodge things well! eventually i will have more good games and less bad games... at least that's the hope

[rain hatch]

I'll random queue Auric and see if I can get carried while doing nothing

[dense belfry]

They said that they tend to do it not hard focus

[rain hatch]

Just for you

[torn root]

who's lost child?

[inland orchid]

Is even funnier the 2nd time

[torn root]

i think someone shit in his bed ngl

[dense belfry]

Some karking heretic infiltrated our ranks 🤣

[strange grove]

wtf is this post on the steam forums

[torn root]

I'd get mad and start strawmanning and talking shit to ppl on the internet if someone SHAT in my bed, ngl

[dusty sluice]

NOOO lmao

[rain hatch]

@gusty grail you are literally encouraging the behavior you're whining about

[gusty grail]

W/e dude you can't argue "scoreboard is bad because people call out my toxic behavior" that is very dumb ty for discussing

[rain hatch]

It's a bug

[wanton dawn]

But scoreboard is bad because people call out my toxic behavior

[torn root]

FARMING PLASTEEL IS TOXIC?

lmao

[rain hatch]

Sometimes charge shots dissappear

[strange grove]

Well I just learned some neat facts about celery and pineapple, who knew

[exotic drum]

IDK, but i know when I'm spam firing with it, sometimes the hitbox for the shot goes out and things die but there is no plasma

[dusty sluice]

looks like ill be taking + unarmoured

[exotic drum]

Maybe thats what he's memeing about

[rain hatch]

That too

[wanton dawn]

plasma animation bug is an issue from this patch

[dense belfry]

Bruh that quote is the reason why everyone is dunking on you, one of the stages of grief Is denial you know?

[gusty grail]

On Low Int Damnation? No. On Auric Damnation where you say "we are just going to lose anyway" yes

[torn root]

the stawmen are infinite

[wanton dawn]

It does not affect the plasma performance though

[torn root]

unlimited staw-works

[inland orchid]

Felt it tryna fight the twins, is visually unappealing

[rain hatch]

That's the opposite of what they said

[inland orchid]

Glad it’s only a visual bug

[rain hatch]

Tf

[dense belfry]

It's like watching Ellen or oprah

[torn root]

Wendy Williams?

[gusty grail]

Explain to me what they said

[inland orchid]

Oh no he needs the sentence spoon fed

[strange sparrow]

Also on high auric mael

[gusty grail]

You don't play Damnation you have nothing to add to the discussion

[strange sparrow]

You can win on 2 person anyways

[torn root]

came on the internet

cant read

so needs explaining

which requires reading

its gold

[strange sparrow]

I had sessions where mael auric change map at the last 3 minutes

[dusty sluice]

2 DAMAGE OFF

[rain hatch]

Damnation games you'll randomly lose bc of new players whereas Auric you won't

[dusty sluice]

noooo

[strange sparrow]

So no one can join after people left

[inland orchid]

Happens to the best of us pal

[strange sparrow]

It’s hard but I don’t really think one handicap would lose you high auric these days

[torn root]

and we being elitist out here now too

[dusty sluice]

and now i have to but unamoured on it :(

[gusty grail]

So you are saying that is ok to screw around looting because the good players are in Auric Damnation

[dense belfry]

If there's more people with this attitude I'd definitely rather be hospitalised by my balls again.

[rain hatch]

And there's the strawmaning

No

[torn root]

I think i called out toxic scoreboard users in the presence of one

[rain hatch]

That's not what I said

[torn root]

ngl didnt expect someone to get aggro over scoreboard talk

[rain hatch]

I said that in simple terms

Cope

[inland orchid]

Dang so even AFTER the explanation he don’t understand?

[cerulean void]

F's in the chat, melk brought me five power swords across two vets all with PC3

[inland orchid]

Well u tried at least that’s something

[woeful ibex]

stats if possible?

[torn root]

this is fact

[rain hatch]

Yeah

[strange sparrow]

Not the worst, I got 20th Psword before going PC4

[cerulean void]

none good enough to trade out the ones I already made lol

[woeful ibex]

ah ok

[torn root]

new players TRYING damnation vs expeirienced players playing through auric is two different things but its hard to wrap you're head around it

[exotic drum]

As if new players don't go into Auric Damnation just because they hit 30 and its unlucked.

[woeful ibex]

Power Cyler and Slaughterer are the best traits for PS

[rain hatch]

He went bye bye

[inland orchid]

The definition of “fuck around and find out”

[gusty grail]

This is literally what he said

[inland orchid]

I can respect that

[torn root]

not every auric run goes well, but i legit think more of them get completed than regular damnation atm

[rain hatch]

No

Dude

You are falt out wrong

[torn root]

let me rephrase that, a higher percentage

[inland orchid]

You are interpreting their sentences way differently bro

[gusty grail]

I quoted him

[dense belfry]

[⚠️ Kuro XIII has alerted the horde]

[rain hatch]

Go ask your mom to suck you off or smth

[torn root]

wasn't aimed at you sorry

[gusty grail]

I'm wrong when I quoted him

[rain hatch]

And I summarized it bc you can't read

[inland orchid]

^

[strange sparrow]

I only play Auric Mael Damnation
It's pretty easy to carry, and I appreciate Plasteel farmer more than dps provider

[rain hatch]

Ik the guy just disappeared

[torn root]

straw manning

[gusty grail]

"1. i do farm in auric damnation during the day, you lose less there because ppl that play auric know what they are doing. spoke about it a few days ago"

[strange sparrow]

It's not even hard to win with one handicap

Why yall mad

[torn root]

dont dude, he'll prolly come at you too

[strange sparrow]

Don't skill issue

And blame your local plasteel farmer

[exotic drum]

JFC the amount of Fucking disablers and specials

[torn root]

I said this and i talked about it like 2 days ago

[exotic drum]

Oh my god.

[torn root]

is stand by it

[exotic drum]

I'd have a sensory overload.

[torn root]

you meet more ppl who know what they are doing in auric which makes playing there easy AF sometimes

[gusty grail]

"1. i do farm in auric damnation during the day, you lose less there because ppl that play auric know what they are doing. spoke about it a few days ago" "not every auric run goes well, but i legit think more of them get completed than regular damnation atm". Literally a determent to the team

[inland orchid]

Determent? My brother in the emperor

[strange sparrow]

I love plasteel farmer in my game

I do not care

You have skill issue on winning cuz you think plasteel farmer bad

[exotic drum]

I provide coherency to plasteel farmers.

[strange sparrow]

Don’t have skill issue please

Just win

[rain hatch]

You lost this fight

[dense belfry]

It was an example, I didn't say it's what you are doing

[rain hatch]

Either go learn how to argue

[torn root]

i try sometimes, i don't always make it tho 😦

[inland orchid]

Huh? That wasn’t to u broski no worries

Your google search was mad informative

[exotic drum]

Determent. Lmao.

[torn root]

I'm a "determent" whatever that is

[dense belfry]

Oh, my mistake slime😎

[strange sparrow]

You lose sometimes, you win sometimes, people just need to learn sometimes

It’s a pve game so don’t get too emotional

[inland orchid]

I will get very emotional, the mutant touched me in mah waist

[torn root]

the fact that they can't spell detriment makes me think this IS a kid

[inland orchid]

And yeeted me off the ledge

[exotic drum]

Its a synonym for Deterrent.

[rain hatch]

You spelled it wrong

/j

[gusty grail]

Try it with 3 handicaps

[serene orbit]

sigh

[strange sparrow]

They did 300k damage each

[torn root]

?

[strange sparrow]

Look good enough to me

[inland orchid]

The numbers not close to 0? Fine by me

[gusty grail]

That's really bad in a game with 2.2k kills

[rain hatch]

I wanted you to think that you were wrong for a second

[exotic drum]

i'm ignorant

[torn root]

Detriment is what they would have meant by context, not determent

[inland orchid]

Why worry bout kills when most the kills are the fodder horde ones

[cerulean void]

TBH looks like you just went hard because you could lol

[dense belfry]

Then aid them instead of leaving them behind? Work as a kruting team? Do basic co-op gameplay instead of "They were weak, they deserve to die" Like some basic shonen villain.

[strange sparrow]

Also it’s pretty easy to farm damage as purg psyker

I assume you’re playing one

[torn root]

I do be wrong every now and then

[dusty sluice]

would not having + maniacs miss anything?