veteran-class

[terse idol]

Maybe they don't deserve to win

Or have you

[safe flower]

Also, which keynode is the go-to for headhunters lately? Ping or focus?

[raw steppe]

Them take whatever you want lol

I mean

[terse idol]

No no bit

Again Dis

I'm just saying

[safe flower]

Feel ping works better cause the low ammo makes me hold my melee a whole lot.

[terse idol]

Its a very toxic mind set

To put into people

Because you know what

people are gonna build for themselves anyways

[raw steppe]

When you play as ogryn or gunpsyker, ammo aura is a huge deal

I don't think you need to take it

But it's free winrate

If it bumps you up from like 60% to 65%

I think thats a pretty fair tax

I pug a5 histg and maels

[terse idol]

I mean

Then they have to learn

[raw steppe]

And thats pretty much how it feels

[terse idol]

How to play without survivalist

Its just terrible

[raw steppe]

I mean sure

[terse idol]

And gun psyker

Isn't even meta

[junior grail]

Tbh I've never used another aura other than ammo

[tiny summit]

Don't take survivalist if you don't want to. I'm not gonna give a shit. I also just think the other auras are ass and don't think you're giving up much for free ammo to the team

[raw steppe]

But i dont care about making my teammates learn

I just wanna win

[terse idol]

Then don't take survivalist

[raw steppe]

And get more mats

[terse idol]

Its up to you

To win the game

[raw steppe]

I'm not a fucking teacher

I just want my 700 plasteel lmao

[terse idol]

That's fine

But I'm not gonna suggest to bend over your entire build

Just to run a broken aura

Its not healthy for the game

[junior grail]

Did someone say PLASTEEL??

[terse idol]

Its not health for players

Its not good to suggest it

[raw steppe]

Tldr;
Take the aura if you care about winning cuz its broken
Dont take it if you dont wanna take it

Doesn't really matter

[junior grail]

Did FS say Survivalist is broken?

[terse idol]

Tldr don't suggest builds to other people based on the conceived notion that you have to break you back to win

[raw steppe]

I mean I think winning is pretty important to most people lol

Especially since the goal of the game is to win

[wet elk]

is low thermal resistance bad?

[potent lichen]

Thermal resist is the dump stat on Plasma

[wet elk]

nice

so this should be pretty good

[potent lichen]

Obviously it could be marginally better, but go for it

That one will do

[wet elk]

thanks man

these 2 dont seem that great right

[wet elk]

this one is like this so far

need more plasteel

[potent lichen]

Gets Hot is good so you're on track

[tiny summit]

Blaze Away is good

[wet elk]

i just dont see myself shooting a plasma many times in a row

[raw steppe]

Stats and perks waaay more important than blessings

On plasma

Frankly it's kinda like a staff

Where you want every stat to be high

[tiny summit]

It's good for tap firing crushers and rager parties

[terse idol]

If youre not having fun there's no point

If youre gonna play meta and not have fun just to win wheeew

It just it ain't it chief

Crush yer balls the game

[radiant plank]

worth 3k melk bux?

[umbral scaffold]

I see survivalist

[tiny summit]

If you really really want slaughterer 4

[umbral scaffold]

Fuck survivalist

[tiny summit]

Otherwise no

[radiant plank]

[umbral scaffold]

Survivalist apologists mean to tell me the game becomes literally impossible to play if there isn't always a veteran on the team

[terse idol]

Survivalist was a huge mistake

[umbral scaffold]

I will run the funny speed aura and run it proudly

[tiny summit]

No. Never gonna say that but I wont say no to free ammo vs 2 kinda ass auras

[umbral scaffold]

Me going 5% faster to steal the ammo tin from the autopistol zealot

[terse idol]

Its just

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sega-gif-10727238677934403701

[terse idol]

Ah you know my stance

I aint gonna repeat it

[umbral scaffold]

Survivalist is bad because uhhhhhh

[tiny summit]

Fatshark should just bite the bullet and make basic survivalist in all the aura w/ the small other bonus on top.

[terse idol]

Once people leave the game because I don't run survivalist like

Fuck the game is dead

[umbral scaffold]

Ammo is a map resource the players have to ration and play as a team to not fuck with

[terse idol]

Its a huge mistake

[umbral scaffold]

Survivalist is the same thing as health per kill

[terse idol]

To expect every vet to run survivalist

[tiny summit]

You created the problem with it existing in the first place. Now just accept it and make it so no one has to debate on it

[raw steppe]

Well you dont have to play meta to win 😂

[terse idol]

Just remove it

[umbral scaffold]

It removes the element of management that comes with that resource by turning it into not a resource, but just a thing on a cooldown timer

[terse idol]

[raw steppe]

But taking ammo aura instead of 3% damage

Just might help

[tiny summit]

More drama and upsetty spaghetti than just baking it in to all 3 auras

[terse idol]

Its 5% 🤓

Okay

[umbral scaffold]

When you don't take survivalist, your ammo is based on an uncertain variable from the map, so any shot you fire is a shot you don't know for sure if you can compensate in the near future

[terse idol]

Help... uh L manage your ammo tins with your team, your Ogryn shouldn't be blowing their entire mag the entire game

[umbral scaffold]

It's a risk you take by shooting your gun

[terse idol]

Me angry

[umbral scaffold]

It adds an element of decision-making

[tiny summit]

But shooting is fun

[terse idol]

[umbral scaffold]

When you take survivalist, you just know you have a constant ammo source because specials spawn all the fucking time

You don't make decisions about ammo anymore, you just wait for the cooldown that is the special spawn timer

[tiny summit]

True and I do like shooting

And if fatsharks design is still this volume of special and elite spamming I want to keep shooting. I can live w/o a ammo aura in the game but I'm never not gonna say no to it or think it'd be better deleted

[umbral scaffold]

Survivalist also works with zero input from the player

You just need someone else to shoot the special

You don't need to pick up dropped ammo, tag the special, nothing

Someone kills it, you get magical ammo from the ammo gods

[tiny summit]

As it should

I like my free ammo from the immaterium

[terse idol]

Yes shooting is fun, most of this discussion is telling people they NEED to run survivalist to have better odds at winning

[umbral scaffold]

I crave murder

[terse idol]

You dont

You dont cripple your infil weapon spec build just for survivalist

[umbral scaffold]

Arguments of necessity often come from people who honest to God fucking suck at the game

I still remember this duo I met where one guy told me I "needed" a microphone for auric damnation

[tiny summit]

"Crippled" from taking survivalist tax is kinda dramatic

[umbral scaffold]

I said I don't, his buddy undid the ready, I stood in the match after the timer counted down and the first thing they did was jump off a ledge

[tiny summit]

uwu I'm too shy to talk in my pubs

[umbral scaffold]

Then the guy started yelling real close to his microphone trying to get me to leave

Eventually they realized I was staying

[terse idol]

Its full left side to right side

I would say that tax

From going 3 talents over

[umbral scaffold]

I topped everything in that match

[terse idol]

Is big

That's 3 talent points

[umbral scaffold]

Damage, damage taken, revives, kills, everything

[terse idol]

And it means you're hard to go back

[umbral scaffold]

I said nothing and just left

[muted knot]

Just yell loading screen quotes

[tiny summit]

Not really. Your build isn't "breaking"

[umbral scaffold]

Oh yeah

And I outperformed the twats with a fucking shovel and the agri shotgun

I wasn't even sweating with meta guns

[tiny summit]

For a specific thing you want to do and the tax? Yea kinda dumb, don't run survivalist if you don't want. But the build isn't breaking

[terse idol]

All im saying is

Nobody else is gonna do it

Zealots ogrynns

Psykers

Can all choose to go whatever

But oh nooo

Vet HAS to go survivalist

Like fuck that

[willow grove]

What would you guys change on this? I'm using it for a Weapons Specialist build

[shadow aurora]

Smudgels with all due respect havent you already complained about survivalist today

[terse idol]

Yes

But that was half an hour earlier

[torn moat]

Eh... I'd change both blessings and the Stam perk.

[tiny summit]

See just bake it into all 3 auras and no one debates except for dudes who think the PvE horde shooter mowing down hundreds is too easy

[willow grove]

Can only change 2 though 😭

[wet elk]

gloryhunter, yucky

[torn moat]

But since you only have 2 options, probably replace Sustained Fire Blessing and Stamina Perk

[willow grove]

kk ty

I know it's not amazing but I'm liking the gun and until I find a better one....

[torn moat]

Yeah, it's got nice base stats, sorry about your luck on the blessings and perks though.

Ideally, you'd want Surgical 4 and Rending Shot 4.

[stoic mantle]

y'all

I found this in the shop

I really want to try it

[torn moat]

And Carapace/Unyield and Maniac for the Revolver perks.

[forest scaffold]

its almost like resource management is uh

part of the game

[torn moat]

Low charge rate on a Mk3? Uh... Might be rough.

[forest scaffold]

and survivalist completely obliterates that aspect

[raw steppe]

Hey man, when has your teammate ever done what they should do

You just deal with whatever ends up happening

Instead of expecting them to change

[umbral scaffold]

bullshit, I want my zealot healing aura

allow me to get people back to full health in 2 minutes

[tiny summit]

As long as the game keeps going "oops all gunners" as much as it does I welcome it. Because I like shooting

[forest scaffold]

It's been a long time since I've actually had to care about ammo.

And that's without using survivalist.

Literally just aim better

[stoic mantle]

Its not that bad

[tiny summit]

I do. I just like shooting. Simple as.

[forest scaffold]

There's like. . .

Rumbler, Ripper, Krourk Stubber, and that's uh. . . it. . . for weapons that get sad when survivalist doesn't exist and it's because the first two have terrible ammo pools, rippers have terrible accuracy, and the krourk couldn't hit the broadside of a barn at 10 meters.

Everything else in the game has more than enough ammo now after all the ammo buffs - and revolver can oneshot everything but ogryns, and ogryns on certain builds.

[terse idol]

Glory hunter is okie

[terse idol]

Expect them not to get free ammo

Like

[tropic notch]

What does this mean? I thought the energized already had a ton of cleave

[terse idol]

Naw chief

[stoic mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[tropic notch]

[terse idol]

As a metamancer like many of us are, fuck dat

We build for ourselves

[slate sleet]

vraks mk3 headhunter feels like a actual mg42

[terse idol]

If survivalist is easy get it, if it's out of the way fuck em

[tropic notch]

Power cycle is a no brainer but what should the other power sword blessings be?

Brutal momentum?

Sunder?

[terse idol]

You want power cycler

And BM

Because of the + 2 extra charges

[tropic notch]

I said that bruh

[terse idol]

Woops

[tropic notch]

I’m gonna make you explode

[terse idol]

My reading comprehension stinky

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-fly-aaa-cat-fly-off-gif-26782971

But yeah BM

It gives you

[tropic notch]

I figured

[terse idol]

alotta cleeeave

[shadow aurora]

Brutal momentum?

[terse idol]

Yeah

[tropic notch]

But so does sunder

[shadow aurora]

Figures

[misty delta]

and on a mk6 psword it helps you two tap crushers

[terse idol]

Okay ut

BM gives you theoretically infinite cleave

[tropic notch]

[terse idol]

If I recall how hit mass works

[old quail]

BM has a target cap of 4

[tropic notch]

That is true

[tiny summit]

Sunder. You're using the power sword to energize. Go all in pussy

[tropic notch]

[terse idol]

Still pretty good doe no?

[old quail]

it depends

[terse idol]

At least when you also fight crushers

[old quail]

sunder ignores armor stop

[tropic notch]

[muted knot]

I don't see where that comparison makes sense

[old quail]

so it doesn't bounce off carapace

or bulwark shields

[tropic notch]

That’s it in general

[terse idol]

But no infinite cleave 🥹

[old quail]

so it's 4x cleave + not stopping on carapace which makes it way better if what you want is safety when fighting mixed hordes with lots of melee elites

[slate sleet]

feels powerful to shoot basically

[tropic notch]

You don’t need sunder to do that

[old quail]

sunder cleaves more than BM

[terse idol]

Or well theoretically

[old quail]

it just doesn't damage as much

[terse idol]

Hmm

Yeah

[muted knot]

What do you run on yours ?

[old quail]

"theoretically" it's still less. but sunder is a safety blessing

[terse idol]

I mean theoretically BM can also help you cleave into another crusher

[old quail]

no psword doesn't ignore armor stop like that. im fairly certain you need sunder to go cleave past a bulwark shield

[terse idol]

If you hit weakpoint and kill

[tiny summit]

I guess brutal momentum if you're also using helbore

[old quail]

sometimes? the only time its useful is on the push attack

but you're not proccing that consistently enough

[terse idol]

Hmm

[misty delta]

sunder supposedly makes fighting dense ragers easier but we call that a skill issue where I'm from

[terse idol]

That's not a skill issue

[misty delta]

fuck I can't type

[terse idol]

That's a mass issue

[tropic notch]

BM, slaughter, or sunder

[terse idol]

[old quail]

i dunno, psword has shitty dodges

[misty delta]

skill issue if you lose the 1v6 imo

[muted knot]

Fucks

[terse idol]

Then theoretically BM would even help you vs ragers

[old quail]

there's a valid point to make that it keeps you alive vs melee elite rushes better because psword specifically makes you fight with bricks tied to your legs

[terse idol]

Gonna say it

But PSword doesn't give you like

Alot of defensive option

Other than cut

[old quail]

even on a theoretical level this doesn't make sense because you have to factor in the proc rate

and the cleave stops if you don't get a weakspot kill

so you're cleaving an extra rager every handful of swings which doesn't really do anything if you're having trouble when the game throws 20 melee elites out of a closet like it can on say, the warren end event

[tropic notch]

I have 80 on everything except mobility it’s 50

[misty delta]

all I'm saying is that vet has at least a few tools for ragers, people just need to be more situationally aware in order to take advantage of them

[terse idol]

Hmm

I wish had a good psword

[old quail]

i don't use sunder because im a shout abusing mouthbreather who just wanted to larp as commissar

[terse idol]

😭

[misty delta]

:pat:

[old quail]

but its got a nice niche

[tropic notch]

So what’s the best blessing for the power sword

[terse idol]

I need BM on my rashad

I'm so stuck rn

[terse idol]

Power cycler

[tropic notch]

Best axe

[terse idol]

[old quail]

besides cycler?

[tropic notch]

Yeah

[muted knot]

Just shoot them in the face

[old quail]

i rate BM the highest, then sunder, then rampage

[tropic notch]

I’m going to destroy you

[misty delta]

BM for me too

[tiny summit]

PC4 and Sunder. Otherwise use something else. Brutal momentum? Just just a caxe dummy.

[terse idol]

You have to preface it

Lmao

[old quail]

BM lets you fucking DESTROY bruisers

the #1 enemy of all darktide players

[tiny summit]

If I'm using a PS I'm using it for energize. I'm going all in

[muted knot]

What

That's taking a shower, not bruisers

[tiny summit]

My situational awareness kicking in by spamming bayonet

[old quail]

lmfao

[tropic notch]

Making some pox rn

Stinkmaxxing

[tiny summit]

The enemy is the time sink for the pocket change of plasteel it gives.

[terse idol]

Cursed cursed

[muted knot]

Who up darkening their tide ?

[misty delta]

smells like heresy

[tiny summit]

Nurgle insider

[tropic notch]

Ok so BM or sunder?

[tiny summit]

Sunder

[terse idol]

I keep hearing BM

Welp

[muted knot]

Bro just take one

[tiny summit]

Fuck them

[terse idol]

Its time to test

I'm dead

[old quail]

either works. whichever u want

[tropic notch]

I need an in depth discussion

[tiny summit]

Sunder is exclusive therefore gooder

[old quail]

sunder is far more defensive and leverages psword's really good stagger on energized attacks

[terse idol]

BM is chad

[old quail]

BM lets u shit out damage esp vs tankier trash like bruisers

[terse idol]

Gottem

[tropic notch]

I’ve heard that BM caps at 4 but dose sunder have a cap?

[old quail]

nope

[misty delta]

BM for damage Sunder for being able to hit through armored ragers and bulwarks I guess

[muted knot]

All cleave has a cap doesn't it ?

[terse idol]

I have depicted myself as the giga chad and you the soy jack

I have automatically won the argument

[old quail]

sunder gives 4x cleave on top of not stopping on armor

[terse idol]

(In all honesty I don't mnow)

They seem both good

Honestly BM=Sunder

[old quail]

it entirely comes down to what you want out of the sword

[misty delta]

^

[tiny summit]

Zealot needs a 2 handed power sword

[tropic notch]

[umbral scaffold]

honestly, a shoulder to cry on

[old quail]

tbh i want a 1 handed shock maul + shield

[terse idol]

FS notices psword is the best weapon in the game
Makes another one for zealot

https://tenor.com/view/giygas-cat-melon-cat-psychotic-gif-25770926

[misty delta]

all I want for christmas is a good chaxe

[civic knot]

What is the best braced autogun?

[tropic notch]

Zealot would go crazy with a reg pw

[tiny summit]

2 handed chainaxe. They are right there from the dead maulers

[muted knot]

Agri

Imo

[tiny summit]

Agri pretty cool

No testing only vibes

[old quail]

agri generally but the other two are much more usable than they used to be relative to the agri

[wet elk]

watch hadron brick this shit

[slate sleet]

all the headhunters feel so good to use

[old quail]

i can't stand the agri after using the columnus because of stuff like the zoom on brace

[tiny summit]

I have an agri with no dmg blessings and it still rips

[muted knot]

Every time you send this gif I'm stuck watching it for a good 20 seconds

[terse idol]

All braced autoguns are good

[slate sleet]

shits on your gun

I HOPE YOU ARE PLEASED VARRLEEET

[misty delta]

https://tenor.com/view/giygas-cat-melon-cat-psychotic-gif-25770926

[muted knot]

Brick time

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/melon-cat-funny-watermelon-eating-gif-17218443

[tiny summit]

Reload, sprint, Salvo, run and gun

[muted knot]

What is it planning and why am I sure that I don't wanna know

[terse idol]

Melong

[misty delta]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[slate sleet]

i really want more 1% dmg rolls

[wet elk]

surgical hand cannon

4

[civic knot]

man..... Fatshark need to make fixing this shitty, sticky, smudgy, icky, FOMO-designed crafting system, their absolute priority number UNO!

[slate sleet]

surgical is good tho

so is handcannon

[raw steppe]

The crafting system isnt gonna get better 😂

Theyll just add an even more grindier system

[terse idol]

Damb

[tiny summit]

Why? It won't be the thing that makes new sales?

[raw steppe]

If they do make it obsolete

[tropic notch]

Isn’t there a in depth vid on the pw?

[terse idol]

What pw

[wet elk]

gonna do gloryhunter with TB

[misty delta]

ima be honest 90% of vids out there are shit

[slate sleet]

THE MACHINE GOD IS MOST GENEROUS

[terse idol]

Yeah

[tropic notch]

Power sword

[misty delta]

fuck around and find out as the kids say

[muted knot]

Pog

[terse idol]

I dunno I think the discord discussions have been better

Also because JFJ's video on darktide has flaws

That a new player should know

[tiny summit]

Damn lowest dmg I got is a 10% trauma. Lowest stat I got is a 3% warp resist

[terse idol]

daemon hosts will kill 1 person and then randomly select another

[wet elk]

save this one

[terse idol]

THEY DONT

They select the closest one

[slate sleet]

wish me luck

[terse idol]

After the first

[crisp rapids]

:XD:

wtf

emperor's spoon

[wet elk]

lmao

[slate sleet]

[wet elk]

WTF

[crisp rapids]

[wet elk]

not bad

[muted knot]

Absolut madlad

[wet elk]

we so back

[tropic notch]

https://youtu.be/ggcSlbYWTn4?si=UzlOaC7iNUcz25Qf we shall learn about the pw

[tiny summit]

See how it does against a crusher

[slate sleet]

LETS FUCKING GOO... oh..

[crisp rapids]

[misty delta]

mood

[crisp rapids]

desolation

[civic knot]

it makes significantly more players leave than stay, there is no debate on it. It doesnt make sales, they are just delusional at this point. There nothing in its design that is redeeming about it and that gives for a rewarding grind to keep players. It just makes us rely on RNG which in general is NOT in favor of the average player when considering how much time the average player puts in.

[crisp rapids]

we need a sadgryn or desolated gryn emote

[slate sleet]

ok time to earn some plastic bottles

[crisp rapids]

[wet elk]

running auric damnation sucks to farm plasteel because nobody has time to look around for it

which makes me sad

[muted knot]

Just do damnation then ?

[slate sleet]

i always loot everything

[wet elk]

but auric fun

[slate sleet]

even if people die

usually have to solo

[tiny summit]

Players that leave from the crafting are already a sale. Players likely to power through it are more likely to be invested to spend money. It's a shitty system I agree. It's also not gonna make them money investing time into it

[civic knot]

this. @muted knot

[civic knot]

this i mean

[terse idol]

I think like

[patent swift]

Voc or infiltrate for queuing up solo. What's peoples preference

[terse idol]

Okay my hottest take is,vthe vast majority of players are average

People who actually care about crafting to a high degree make up very few of the sales

[misty delta]

infiltrate makes me get flamed in chat even if I'm staying in coherency. My vote's on VoC

[tiny summit]

As is most games.

[civic knot]

VoC i think is better since you cant rely on your teammates to keep their toughness

[terse idol]

There will be waaayy more people in 1-4 Who don't really mind that their weapon isn't performing at the peak

[tiny summit]

You're on a game discord talking about crafting sucking. You're the minority of a minority

[tiny summit]

Exe

[tiny summit]

Of a minority

[muted knot]

And we all know what happens to minorities/S

[tiny summit]

Yea. Zealots not wanting to touch psykers because they have cooties

[civic knot]

The people giving criticism will always be in the minority, isnt this obvious? The system I am criticising is still something that affects the entire player negatively base over level 30. I know, if asked, that the majority of players would agree on the shittyness of the crafting system, but that doesnt mean they need to be the front and center group criticising the system. Thats what you have your minority of a dedicated playerbase for, players like you and I.

Me being a minority group of the Darktide playerbase doesnt diminish the value of my criticism in the slightest. Is that what you were implying?

[patent swift]

Give us option to use diamantine on something would be nice

[civic knot]

word

would actually pick it up then

anyway... veteran question now: which helbore variant is best? 2 or 1?

[tiny summit]

No. I'm just saying everyone knows the crafting sucks. Fatshark knows those invested in their game think the crafting sucks. And crafting isn't the make or break thing to work on that makes sales.

[civic knot]

Garantuee their player numbers would be higher if they invested into fixing the system tho. And thats part of their optics as a game dev in the industry. Its gonna get people talking a bit about the popularity of the game rising

[tiny summit]

The popularity from game sales is gonna be from content updates like the anniversary updates and a sale. A crafting update would at most make people already invested happy and maybe bring back those who already purchased the game.

[civic knot]

ye and that would contribute to MTX sales

anyway...

[civic knot]

anyone who knows this?

[tiny summit]

Preference. Mk1 has more consistent 1 taps than mk2. Mk2 can make up for its faster charge

Also look at how the zoom is on mk1 vs 2. You may like either ADS fov differently.

[jaunty spindle]

Supercharged worth a shit?

[shrewd acorn]

Should i change the blessings in anyway or just the perks?

[civic knot]

probably not

[flint garden]

voc so you can save dumb randos when they blow up poxbursters in everybody's faces

[tiny summit]

Depends. Want it to be cleaving through the enemies or do you want big rev dmg on big enemies

[terse idol]

hmm, yeah

But also because I'm pessimistic it won't increase sales enough for it to be anything

[shrewd acorn]

Probably would be an armor killer

[terse idol]

If anything if I want to get tinfoil hat about it, it makes the game last longer

Instead of in vt2

Where you can just be

done

By getting red

[fossil basalt]

Opinion: VoC WILL save dumb people AND yourself

Infiltrate CAN save dumb people, but only if they make the smart choice to stop doing dumb things

[terse idol]

Now FS has added another layer

As long as FS keeps adding on weapons, they will be so many permutations

[tiny summit]

Or revive them while they are surrounded by 6 ragers to be insta downed on rez

[tiny summit]

Then thunderous and thrust but that also gives up cleaving. Idk testing. With thunderous on my chainaxe I can like 3/4 a crusher iirc

[shrewd acorn]

I assume the horde clearing would simply leave the chainaxe as is?

[tiny summit]

Yea. You got power on kill and on hit. Probably could do with changing the groaner dmg tho.

[shrewd acorn]

if I wanted to keep one of the current blessings, which one would you recommend?

[tiny summit]

Uh idk. Maybe on hit. See how hitting a few poxwalker before any die look

If a single light is doing OK before on hit power stacks maybe on kill would be better

[strange sparrow]

Sound like a you problem

I already helped fr

[fossil basalt]

Oh yeah, I do that sometimes on purpose

[tiny summit]

Revive them in fire...it'll be fine

[shrewd acorn]

I think I'll just change the blessings. Does the chainaxe really require good perks to function well?

[strange sparrow]

C-sword is funny

[fossil basalt]

They can just dodge 4head /s

[strange sparrow]

But the unarmored + 25% is required always?

[tiny summit]

Don't have the experience. See in the psyk how well it does on maniac and flak.

If you can rev light a scab gunner probably OK w/o flak

[strange sparrow]

I hate hadron

[tiny summit]

Hadron: varlet, I demand more +360s to ruin

[strange sparrow]

and he know I hate him

[trim steppe]

Obviously she wants you to run

Guys what do I do with this

[tiny summit]

The real answer is that hadron is worried about our gambling addiction and purposely fucks your weapons so you break it

[tiny summit]

How does it do against a crusher?

[strange sparrow]

99% of darktide player quit before getting 380 perfect role

[tiny summit]

First 380...dump stat dmg

[trim steppe]

I have legit never used a vet shovel before so idk

[tiny summit]

Then go in the psyk and use the flip and h1 the crusher head and then try the rager

[strange sparrow]

Thrust is good + Cara Damage

this is pretty sick roll

[fossil basalt]

I'd just swap elite to Flak or unyielding, otherwise flawless

[strange sparrow]

Not sure about decimator, but that +8% melee dama need to go

[fossil basalt]

Decimator is more for crowds, thrust is more heavy targets so it's a suuuuper flexible shovel without being too focused in one spot or another

If you want anti armor, go uncanny in place of decimator orr something

If it's more horde, swap out thrust for... i dunno. I don't shovel often either

[trim steppe]

Heh. Cool ty for the input

Probably roll the 8% to flak and run a few with it to see what I want it to be better at

[thick rose]

golem get ye gone

[tiny summit]

See what it does against scab gunners and ragers first. If you need the flak dmg. If not see how it handles a mutant or rager

[trim steppe]

Fair

[thick rose]

+1.5stam ty hadron

[trim steppe]

You guys wanna see something cool

[tiny summit]

Roll to orange. Do it.

[tiny summit]

This is like almost perfection. I'd prefer maniac over flak but damn

[idle swallow]

If you're using deadshot and hate stamina, I've been running all or nothing/uncanny strike and it kinda works out most of the time, you're usually not getting the full bonus but I feel like I'm getting more value from that compared to decimator which I tried for a bit. I wanted some kind of damage blessing

Specifically the new shovel with the alt melee overhead

[trim steppe]

I've heard about all or nothing / uncanny combo, nice to know it does in fact work

[trim steppe]

its got both

[tiny summit]

me not reading 👁️👄👁️

[tall torrent]

That’s an incredible roll

Does it meet both gunner non-crit 1 tap head breakpoint

Cuz ik it can’t 1 tap flamers without crit

[trim steppe]

Not sure I'll have to test it

[tall torrent]

Check the flamer headshot dmg without crit

[trim steppe]

I'm guessing it wont 1-tap dreg gunner cuz unarmored

but lemme load in to the psyk

[tall torrent]

If it’s something like just over 900, keep maniac (cuz it would still 1 tap trappers in the head)

But if it’s like 700-800, I’d prob drop maniac for elite (check if that’s enough for Dreg gunner 1 tap non-crit)

Also run the 15% elite node

[torn root]

how well does the new chain axe do vs crushers?

[tall torrent]

Pretty good

It’s not a power sword but it does that job very well

[torn root]

after making my Psword im addicted to quick melee kills on them

[tall torrent]

I suggest slaughterer + headtaker so you don’t have completely atrocious horde clear with it

[tiny summit]

Revved h1 with thunderous and bleed almost kills a crusher...sometimes does

[torn root]

not so much addicted to the slow loop it has tho

[tall torrent]

Thunderous bloodletter is also ok but the horde clear will be lacking

[torn root]

wait really?!

iight so i know what im farming today

[tiny summit]

You can also apply full bleed when you dodge out of rev. It will bleed a crusher to half hp

[tall torrent]

It can (even without hitting the head)

[tiny summit]

But like he said, horde clear is lacking.

[tall torrent]

U can backstab full rev H1 and bleed them to death

[tiny summit]

You kinda just swat them around

[tall torrent]

But horde clear is going to be miserable especially vs bruisers

[torn root]

im trying to find quick kills without melee nodes btw

but yeah that sounds good

[tall torrent]

I do still recommend taking the melee dmg nodes, it’s gonna help with consistency

Either 2 points into 10% melee dmg, or go 3 points into 5% melee -> reciprocity -> desperado

[torn root]

i just don't thikn using a node for just melee is good, imo

mostly because i have no room for it

mostly

[tall torrent]

What build are u running with chainaxe in mind

[torn root]

more im just looking for good weapons to use with my skill tree

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe isn’t really a “pick up and immediately do well” weapon

[torn root]

i swapped rending with weakspot damage actually

[tall torrent]

It sort of wants you to be very dedicated to building melee

Cuz the dodge distance sucks and you don’t murder everything in front of u in 1 second

[torn root]

P Sword double taps every elite/special with elite damage on it

[fossil basalt]

Chaxe needs those attack weaves bby

[torn root]

i wanna see if I can get the axe to kill quick too

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe is sort of a dedicated melee anti-elite weapon

It decimates ragers cuz it staggers very hard

[torn root]

eeeeh

[fossil basalt]

Power Sword kind of has to be good, because lore

[tall torrent]

It one shots both maulers & crushers with proper builds

It does funny damage to unyielding targets as well

It can rev and track mutants and kill them

That’s kind of it

[torn root]

what perks recommended for the Chain axe?

[tall torrent]

Think of them as “what if chainswords lost like 50% of their horde clear power and dodge distance sucks but the special is actually usable”

[tall torrent]

Flak, elite, carapace, maniac is what I’d go

[crisp rapids]

why does it suck soomuch

[tall torrent]

All 4 of these help

[torn root]

might sit on flakiac then

[tall torrent]

But I think it’s a weapon that cares more abt blessings than perks

[crisp rapids]

it just sucks

it does NO fukcing damage

[tall torrent]

Because headtaker 4 + slaughterer 4 does a ton of work for you

You get to rev L1 and just one shot both ragers

[torn root]

i just got headtaker 4 from melk last night

slaughterer is the on kill one?

[tall torrent]

Headtaker 5% power on hit (x5)
Slaughterer 8% power on kill (x5)

Both max stacks and you’re sitting at +65% power

[torn root]

what about headtaker and thunderous?

just no?

[tall torrent]

Thunderous is alright but it’s best paired with bloodletter imo

Because it then mitigates carapace’s reduced bleeding dmg

[torn root]

thunderous doesnt stack off of rev tho no?

[tall torrent]

And allows u to hit things and bleed them to death

[torn root]

it only applies the 1 proc?

[tall torrent]

Thunderous is 20% brittleness on any hit

Which helps bloodletter actually deal damage on carapace

[torn root]

i think its still bugged with the bleed node too

might try it

[tall torrent]

Serrated blade? Not worth

[fossil basalt]

Not by itself

Only really good on a knife with mercy killer

[torn root]

saw somewhere that it guarenteed kills from the bleeds applying brittle

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe is still kinda niche imo
Slow atk speed, meh horde clear

[fossil basalt]

I think they fixed a lot of bleed stacking other things? I forgor

[tall torrent]

How does that even work

[torn root]

currently that talent is bugged

[tall torrent]

They already fixed bleed DoT ticks applying onslaught

[torn root]

so when you rip and apply bleeds for some reason the ticks stack brittle

[tall torrent]

You don’t need that node

[torn root]

not saying i need it lmao

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe thunderous + bloodletter literally one shots crushers for you

And one shots every other elite in the game with bleed DoT

[torn root]

am noting its a thing tho, currently works on the rev lights too

[tall torrent]

Does ok damage to monsters with bleed

[torn root]

i don't care about DoT on monstrosities

either way im grinding a chain axe now

might as well anyway

[tall torrent]

Brittleness/rending for monsters don’t work the best

Unless your weapon somehow has a really bad unyielding modifier

[torn root]

oh and yeah, i didnt get to show

elite as a perk lierally only works on P.Sword

got it to work with my jank ass tree lmao

[tall torrent]

Elite as a perk is almost never a bad choice tho?

[torn root]

uuuh I think its an okay choice at best in most cases

[tall torrent]

Unless it’s going into specific breakpoints that elite doesn’t hit

[torn root]

maybe on P.Sword is the only time i can say its GOOD

because the damage that weapon does is stupid

needed elite damage for myself to hit the 2 shot BP on all specials and elites

the 1 second kill is funny tho

[fossil basalt]

+Elite is good because it's broad in application but the focused armour type buffs are strong enough that they're more likely to get the breakpoints you really need

[wanton dawn]

It is almost always "unoptimal". Usually used for out of reach bp when added to 25%. I dont think it ever out-value by virtue of being enough on multiple elite compared to straight 25%

[torn root]

^

this

it's just okay, most def not optimal compared to other choices

[tall torrent]

It’s not the most optimal compared to specific armor type breakpoints
But it’s much better than the “fuck hadron” type of stuff u could be getting instead

[torn root]

true

i got lucky

[wanton dawn]

Then again, most ppl would not bother with the sheer math checking required for it to straight up outvalue the easier to check 25%

[torn root]

rolled a 379 with t4 elite damage

then it got t4 power cycle

[tall torrent]

I don’t remember a single weapon benefits in breakpoints from +10% specialist

Only exception is maybe HB1 with specifically +25% maniac and specialist on top of it for the most consistent flamer 1 tap non-crit possible

[torn root]

this is the only one lmao, and it probably only benefits because im not using the melee finess talent

pretty sure you don't need it if you have melee finiess talent

[wanton dawn]

Predictable: special are prio target but not bullet sponge. Also dealt with by maniac/flak for the tankier one

[tall torrent]

Yea the only specials that don’t die instantly to gunshots are flamers & mutants

[steady pawn]

are these the blessings wanted for this gun?

[civic knot]

If i earn a blessing for a helbore mk3, can i put that blessing on a mk 2 or 1?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Swap sprint efficiency for maniac, you got a good enough roll

[civic knot]

i believe so, yes

[wet elk]

:(

[fossil basalt]

Surgical would be better IIRC? But it works

[civic knot]

alr in that case, what are the BiS blessings for helbores

[steady pawn]

ok thanks

[tall torrent]

The next roll could save this gun or seal its fate

[torn root]

oof

[wet elk]

all 3 perk/blessing suck

[torn root]

^

[wet elk]

its bricked

[idle swallow]

its a wash cut your losses

[torn root]

speedloader is usable but probably not ideal

[civic knot]

its already sealed tho, no?

[fossil basalt]

3s "work" but it ain't great

[tall torrent]

They’re ok-ish for revolver
Could be better for sure but you don’t know until u roll next

[civic knot]

speedloader is not good since close range is bugged

[wanton dawn]

Surgical onslaugh. Maybe not onslaugh for mk2. Hb blessing are relatively weak imo, hb3 is the best user but also the less "fun" hb to use due to bad bayonet

[steady pawn]

surgical better than headhunter?

[tall torrent]

If the next one rolls hand cannon / point blank / surgical or even crucian roulette, it’s saved

Because you can swap speed load for hand cannon or a crit blessing

[civic knot]

which one has best bayonet?

[torn root]

wouldnt tell ppl to roll away anything because its bugged

[tall torrent]

And swap either perk to a better dmg type perk

[torn root]

that could ruin a good roll when it gets fixxed

[wanton dawn]

Mk1 and mk2 have the same bayo

[civic knot]

k

[tall torrent]

Weakpoint is not the worst thing in the world for revolver

[torn root]

so again usable wait for it to get fixxed

[tall torrent]

And revolver crits like 80% the time so crit dmg is not the worst thing ever

[civic knot]

do you really want onslaught 4 for helbores? how big is the differance?

[wet elk]

im not out here shooting people point blank with a revolver tho

[tall torrent]

OS3 and OS4 is about 10% charge speed difference at full stacks

[fossil basalt]

Headhunter gives crit until your next crit
Surgical gives crit when you ADS

i.e. headhunter requires you to not crit to crit while surgical just adds a better chance to crit

It's up to taste tbh

[tall torrent]

Point blank actually is not that bad and plays into weapon specialist nicely

[civic knot]

how much difference per stack?

[tall torrent]

+20% crit chance for 2.5s after melee kill

[wanton dawn]

I'd value perk over blessing on hb

[torn root]

the stats are high and you could have some fun with weapon specialist, but yeah its bricked

[patent swift]

What do i replace no respite for, surgical right?

[civic knot]

the thing is, crit damage is calculated as a component so in actuality youre only getting half of that stated bonus crit damage for your total dmg i would guess

[vivid cedar]

worth or no?

[tall torrent]

I know it’s calculated on the bonus only

But the revolver’s crit multipliers are very high that it’s not that bad of a choice

It’s certainly better than +1.5 stamina

[civic knot]

eh

not with deadshot

which is good

for revolver

[tiny summit]

Surgical or Falter

[wet elk]

sheesh

[pseudo basalt]

https://youtu.be/Tuq8Rp5_z9w

[torn root]

thought crit damage was only worth with the rending blessing

[wanton dawn]

Hmmm... yeah, that perk might be an issue but i dunno hb2 bp

[tall torrent]

No respite isn’t that bad for HB2

Could swap to surgical if u wanted

[fossil basalt]

It's a good shovel if you don't have one already! At the very least it's decimator IV which is pretty shweet

[tall torrent]

Also swap flak for unarmored

You specifically want unarmored on HB2

[tiny summit]

Is it worth with 2 lvl 4 blessings. What kind of question is this?

[patent swift]

Whats the reason behind that?

[civic knot]

wtf

[wanton dawn]

Only 1 lock left

[civic knot]

source

[tall torrent]

Dreg gunner 1 tap headshot

[fossil basalt]

Needs maybe one tweak but slaps hard as is

[tiny summit]

It's for dreg gunners

[civic knot]

yikes dude

[tall torrent]

Dreg gunner 1 shot

[patent swift]

Ah

[civic knot]

just rely on crits with deadshot and etc

[tall torrent]

Without unarmored it’s very very hard to reach that breakpoint

[torn root]

yo new shovel can get Take a swing?

[raw steppe]

GG

There now you remember one

[tall torrent]

HB doesn’t get that many crits with surgical and deadshot HB2 is not the best thing for how long u will stay in ADS

[tiny summit]

Flak is kinda meh for mk2 because you already 1 tap scab gunners

[raw steppe]

Old revolver needed flak specialist to hit bomber bp in the last as well

[civic knot]

they dont benefit compared to the other alternatives but that doesnt mean its bad. i mean hey its 10%

[raw steppe]

Uh no lol

Maniac specialist is the best on gg

[civic knot]

whats g g

[raw steppe]

Because you hit all gunner bps

With pinpoint

[civic knot]

what is gg?

[tall torrent]

Grenadier gauntlet

Lmao

[civic knot]

ah

[wanton dawn]

This is vet chat, we dont gg here

[civic knot]

[tiny summit]

Deadshot on hb2 kinda eh

[civic knot]

what, is hb2 made to shoot faster compared to hb1?

[wanton dawn]

Yea

[torn root]

deadshot is a revolver and mk5 talent only

change my mind

[tall torrent]

It shoots faster, you stay in ADS most of the time, you will run out of stamina

[tiny summit]

Yea? It does so w/o onslaught

[wanton dawn]

Hb1 is the middle option for power/firerate

[tiny summit]

Surgical is enough crit chance for any hb

[tall torrent]

Using deadshot with HB2 is pretty anti-synergy

Using deadshot on HB3 I can get behind

[wanton dawn]

I dont like hb2 myself. Do not fit my taste

[tiny summit]

I was like that. I'm recently appreciating hb2

[wanton dawn]

I am more into hb3 gunplay but... worst bayo

[tiny summit]

Ew

[civic knot]

does stability matter on helbore 1?

[tiny summit]

No

[wanton dawn]

No

[torn root]

what's the highest crit chancer you getr on HB without deadshot?

[tall torrent]

Stability is dump stat for HB

[torn root]

or crit perk

[tiny summit]

Unless you wanna tap fire sometimes

[tall torrent]

You only really care about damage, stopping power & charge rate

[civic knot]

theeeen... invest?

[tiny summit]

Ammo and stability not required

[civic knot]

or this?

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, its good

[tiny summit]

Can't 1 tap dregs gunner

[tall torrent]

Yes, take to blue first

[tiny summit]

80 dmg to 1 tap

[civic knot]

b r u h

[civic knot]

youre kidding

[tall torrent]

U could also
Just run +elite
And put the 15% elite node on

[tiny summit]

Thats with the 30% weakspot talent

[civic knot]

i always run that no matter what

[wanton dawn]

No need to over optimize a grey gun

Have a base option first

If you dont even have a comparaison point you cant judge

Also

[civic knot]

which one of the two i showed should i spend plasteel on

[tiny summit]

I was going through hb1s and a 79% dmg gray would do 1400 and not kill.

[civic knot]

im very skittish to waste even in the slightest

[torn root]

probably cant know till you unlock both perks

[wanton dawn]

What stopping though

80/80 needed ?

[tiny summit]

It was high like 75+ or maybe even 80

[tiny summit]

It can be like 80 dmg, ~70 stopping

[wanton dawn]

Well, wtf i say it is unarmored

Doesnt matter

Anyhow, did you account for 15% elite or focus mark dmg bonus ?

[tall torrent]

Did u have 15% elite on

[civic knot]

Which one of these 2 should i make to blue first? just in case

[tiny summit]

Kill zone or Longshot kicking in though would make the BP tho

[wanton dawn]

The passive dmg bonus

[tiny summit]

Nope

And I'm not taking it if I don't have to

[tall torrent]

Ok yea that’s prob why

[hexed imp]

soldiers, mk3 or m6 powersword?

[tall torrent]

The 15% elite node is pretty good for breakpoints

[wanton dawn]

That kinda is important info

[wanton dawn]

M6

[tiny summit]

Fuck it

[hexed imp]

actually, what makes the mk6 and mk3 pswords different from each other

[tiny summit]

Go in psyk and see what they do. Either is fine. They aren't 80s

[wanton dawn]

It also applies to ogryn for double dip with bring they down. At least mentioning not taking it is important when didcussing bp

[tiny summit]

I don't even have my perfect 80dmg helbores. I still have a 73% dmg mk1

[torn root]

mk6 imo , its a bit clunkier but better moveset

mk3 allows you run while activating (the only upside)

[tall torrent]

@civic knot I just did some maths
My HB1 is 75% dmg roll
Full charge unarmored bodyshot 440, headshot 967
Talent tree 2x +5% ranged dmg nodes
+30% weakpoint bonus
+15% elite

[440+(967-440)x30%] x1.1 x1.15 = 1423 dmg

[wanton dawn]

Ps6 better moveset, block cancel charge animation. Ps3 can charge while sprinting

Also ps6 better block

[civic knot]

sick!

[torn root]

why do yall do the damage rolls by percentiles btw

[hexed imp]

alr

[torn root]

there is a flat number because multiple percentiles are encompased around 1 point of damage

[civic knot]

is this with unarmored perk?

[tiny summit]

Ignore the comp urge. I'm playing around with that final point. But yea this is what I run for my helbores.

[torn root]

75% and 74% can be the same damage lmao

[tall torrent]

I have +8% elite and +25% maniac on mine
The +8% elite doesn’t help its gunner breakpoint

[civic knot]

bn

[tall torrent]

You should be able to one tap Dreg gunners fairly easily as long as u build into 15% elite

[civic knot]

but like, dont you already hit the gunner BP?

[feral lake]

Anyone got a good speed and bleed knife build

[tall torrent]

If I don’t take that 15% elite node, I get 1329 dmg at close range

With my +8% elite HB1

Which means

2 stacks of tag keystone would enable that breakpoints anyway

[wanton dawn]

You could reach the bp with focus target passive dmg bonus of 12%

[tall torrent]

I just prefer the 15% elite route cuz that gets to a stamina regen delay reduction node

And I don’t have to do weird pathing on right side

[civic knot]

what weapon is that important for?

[tall torrent]

Combat axe

[civic knot]

which one

rashaad?

[tall torrent]

Actually that 15% elite node is good for a lot of stuff?

I use Rashad

HB2 benefits from that 15% elite to hit Dreg gunner 1 tap

Plasma benefits from that

Revolver benefits from that

[tiny summit]

Still not picking it if I don't have to

[tall torrent]

I can 2 hit crushers in the head with PS6 (+25% carapace) without BM

[civic knot]

how?

[wanton dawn]

Charged push attack to head

And followup

[civic knot]

that thing is kinda tricky to pull off for me lol

ive seen a YT video deep diving into PS

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1190889729009397861/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.12.31_-_00.29.55.08.mp4?ex=65a3717d&is=6590fc7d&hm=562ff9c57b24c4d3c38dadc568bcf4e13344b1f8e83b7e2425cef857ac9c2d89&

[civic knot]

is that why u want stamina regen CDR talent thing?

[wanton dawn]

I dont do it often in practice. Only if crusher is alone / not with over crusher

[civic knot]

for PS6?

[tall torrent]

no it's just a very strong node in general

helps me recover stamina easier between dodges and slides

and tank some boss aggro

Taking 1 of them gives u zealot stamina regen delay (0.75s)
2 of them gives u psyker stamina regen delay (0.5s)

[brave musk]

Any recommended ranged / melee weapon to fight bosses in damnation+?
running zarona revolver and mkvii shovel and its fun against everything except for boss clutching

[tall torrent]

Don’t run shovel for bosses, they have pretty mediocre unyielding dmg

Power sword, combat axe

[wanton dawn]

Also bring unyielding

[civic knot]

on what weapon is that good?

for vet?

PS6?

[tall torrent]

Unyielding is good for PS6

[wanton dawn]

It is usually a tech perk for weapon with generous bp

Like ps, plasma

[tall torrent]

Gun wise I think plasma is fine with it, if you already hit all the relevant breakpoints

[brave musk]

Ooh, ps6 with unyielding and power cycler?

[tall torrent]

Infantry autoguns cuz you just mag dump anyways

[tall torrent]

Works

[torn root]

you could just shoot monster tho

lmao

[wanton dawn]

Ps6 is pretty good at most thing #veteran-class message

[gritty dock]

In such cases, the best thing to do is to make a few weapons and see what Perks and Blessings you get.
Of course, if you have the right raw material.
Unless you get good results on your first try and like this weapon.

[brave musk]

Ive only played plasma for a short while, its infinite heat quick m1 and cover penetration is fun but kinda felt off after a while

Would a bolter work too or is it still a "dont bring it after heresy" kind of thing

[civic knot]

U want maniac at least?

[wanton dawn]

It works. Actually very good for boss handling

[brave musk]

This is new though, ive seen vets running with a rapid fire ag but i didnt expect it to be good for bosses

[wanton dawn]

Good start.

[torn root]

it's good for EVERYTHING

delete beast of nurgle

plague ogryns after a stagger

[tall torrent]

This reminds me
Power sword vs bosses are kind of CBT cuz of the low dodge distance

[torn root]

not the fastest kill but its fast

[wanton dawn]

Plague ogryn is harder in psy due to no latency

[civic knot]

outta plasteel already cause i made some other ones blue 😭

[wanton dawn]

Dodging is easier in actual game

[civic knot]

how come

[placid portal]

Latency

[wanton dawn]

It is VERY noticiable against plague ogryn

[placid portal]

Like snipers with low latency can instantly charge up and shoot

[tall torrent]

In an actual game I have an easier time dodging plague Ogryns

But fighting chaos spawn with power sword is suffering

[tiny summit]

Bolters still fun and based in damn

[tall torrent]

You basically just play defense until it stops targeting u

[brave musk]

Also this is ridiculous and i love it

[tall torrent]

Or VoC comes back off cooldown

[wanton dawn]

You need to dodge into. Dodging away is too risky

[gritty dock]

Good start.
Even if nothing good comes out for you, choose Flak for the second perk and Onslaught's for the second Blessing.

[civic knot]

word

[tall torrent]

Dodge circles around it?

[wanton dawn]

When it tries to grab, dodge on its right into him

[brave musk]

6 out of 10 times tried to take it on even normal damnation, people either left the lobby or wait for me to cha ge it to revolver before they ready up

[tall torrent]

Oh I don’t mean that attack, just the standard chaos spawn mash combo

The grab is pretty well telegraphed

[brave musk]

Its fun as hell, despite the buggy ads animation when you fire a couple shot in

[wanton dawn]

Oh. I just block

[torn root]

block

[tall torrent]

Yea those, PS6 just can’t do anything

[tiny summit]

Well they are lame. Though I do like bolter more on my zealot because they have the reload speed stacks off melee kills

[torn root]

P.Sword has a block discount

[wanton dawn]

Ps6 block is good enough until aggro switch

[iron marten]

guess you need better teammates!

[tiny summit]

There's something oh so satisfying bolter mag dumping into the shotgunner squad

[wanton dawn]

Chaos spawn are not that bad imo

Not compared to pre nerf

[tall torrent]

BoN is my least fav out of the three

[brave musk]

I think im gonna try taming the bolter while learning the ps6 on the side, unyield + flak and pinning fire + surgical good enough for it?

[wanton dawn]

Bon is either a joke or run ender

[tall torrent]

Mostly because QP randoms can’t coordinate how to shoot it in the back

[wanton dawn]

No in-between

[tiny summit]

BoN just annoying with its area denial and trying to get an angle on its back.

[brave musk]

I do! And yet i cant! ;v;

[torn root]

i recommend shattering impact and cavalcade

[fossil basalt]

don't you bring that in here

[torn root]

pinning doesnt do much for vet on monsters

[tiny summit]

And then chaos spawn and plague ogryn have claimed many of runs on that assasination map with the platform

[civic knot]

surgical is nice for picking off gunners, reapers and ragers tho

[torn root]

yeah but you can do that without it

[tall torrent]

Didn’t someone one mag a plague Ogryn with max stack pinning fire (from nading horde) bolter

[civic knot]

but u use more ammo

[torn root]

you can still ads without surgical lmao

[tall torrent]

Yk pinning fire stacks off of like every stagger right

[civic knot]

yes but ads without surgical is not at all as good

[torn root]

pinning requires a stagger so on vet

the only stagger you will get is 1

eutehr off of VoC with it out

or from a grenade

on monsters

you dont even need pinning for crushers or anything else

[tall torrent]

No I mean
Stagger something else to build all the PF stacks, then shoot the boss

[wanton dawn]

I have more #veteran-class message #veteran-class message

[civic knot]

this, tbh

[brave musk]

I see, gonna have to hit up hadron for that cavalcade

[torn root]

extra work why not just fire and let crit deal the damage

[civic knot]

what u running on this PS?

[tiny summit]

Both my vet and zealot got bolters with 80 in everything but mobility

[torn root]

zealot used to be disgusting with bolter

[wanton dawn]

My standard ps is sunder/pc4 with locked unyielding and maniac i think. On rager i think i had a flak one

[torn root]

then they gutted chorus

[iron marten]

so this is the power of Sunder, though I still mainly use Brutal Momentum

[torn root]

that's why im on vet now

[tall torrent]

It’s a fine playstyle

[torn root]

with chorus you were guarenteed to fully stack pinning fire

on monsters

[brave musk]

yo okay that berserker pack makes me want to boot the game now and try it out

how did you swng that fast? 80% finesse and 10% speed node?

[wanton dawn]

Start at 10, it is already hard

[iron marten]

the moment I see 5 ragers, I just throw 2 nades lol

[wanton dawn]

It is a wonky build for that video only yes. All melee node that do not rely on swap or mark

[torn root]

yeah, but even in auric there are times when the team has killed everything in the viciity but the monster, you get nothing from it then, its just more consistency to have the crit from cavalcade

not knocking preference

[tall torrent]

That’s fair
I don’t use bolter enough so I trust u on this one

[wanton dawn]

10 ragers is a more realistic amount that can be dealt with with some work without too much build adjustment

Harder in psy

[civic knot]

how about running shattering impact + calvacade?

on bolter?

[torn root]

thats what i was talking about

[civic knot]

alr

[torn root]

that's the best combination for vet imo, even zealot

before the chorus nerf pinning fire was crazy AF on zealot

[civic knot]

Look at this beauty:

okay maybe maniac could be changed to unyielding tbh

but locked

[torn root]

5 pulses was a guarenteed delete button on every monster, you pulse then run up to an ogryn and unload, solo

[wanton dawn]

30 ragers compared to 10 is mostly tighter execution

[civic knot]

sadge

[wanton dawn]

And wonkier build

The maulers without dodge is actually a better example of what sunder allows

[civic knot]

BiS perks on a calvacade + shattering impact bolter, @torn root ?

[torn root]

i would go carapace unyielding

carapace is like a diff of 1 or 2 shots depending on damage

unyielding mostly for the delete button

[civic knot]

So which one of these would u use, supposing u can change what u want?

368 one?

[torn root]

yeah

lmao without a doubt

just replace glory hunter with shattering impack

and infested with unyielding

[patent swift]

Thats a spicy boltgun

[torn root]

you dont NEED Carapace, you're still gunna kill crushers fine

[crisp rapids]

ok so, on the top left, damage dealt

[torn root]

especially with onslaught

[crisp rapids]

on the 2 bototm ones is melee dmg dealt and ranged damage dealt

usually dmg dealt is the sum of both