veteran-class

[last steppe]

opinions ?

[wanton dawn]

Tbf it is not THAT strong

[tiny summit]

But it is funny

[wanton dawn]

You are not a zealot

But it is fresh gameplay

[tiny summit]

Bayonet stabbing the monstrosities and dealing the most dmg

[wanton dawn]

And it looks stupid but workd

[tall torrent]

Bayonet doesn’t get to make you invulnerable but it gives you silly dps against every fucking enemy except maulers & crushers

[wanton dawn]

So i like it

[wanton dawn]

Make you vulnerable to gunner and shotgunner

[tiny summit]

New helbore variant anti-carapace bayonet

[strange sparrow]

This

Unironically using Bayonet to DPS chaos spawn

[tall torrent]

Kinda
Only if you directly charge at them with the bayonet intention in mind and never use the gun part of the gun

[wanton dawn]

[strange sparrow]

Half of this game bosses are stupidly easy to dodge attack

[last steppe]

f i x b a y o n e t s

[tiny summit]

What gun? We took a spear as our primary

[last steppe]

charge

[strange sparrow]

The only one I doesn’t know how is Daemonhost but that’s because I doesn’t fight it enough

[wanton dawn]

Still, hb is not that good against gunner

[tall torrent]

It one shots them in the head tho

[last steppe]

only reason i use the hellbore tbh, the charge while sprinting and holding the attack makes me feel cool

[tall torrent]

Gun portion anyway

[wanton dawn]

It is slow against group

[strange sparrow]

It’s alright

Just not mk3

[tall torrent]

I think the only thing faster than HB2 at taking out gunner packs (that are already shooting at u) are plasma and MG12(exe)?

[wanton dawn]

Suppression is meh, need headshot, agility is poor, no hipfire

[strange sparrow]

I think my Columnus also does it faster

Without exec stances

[wanton dawn]

Pen is bad as well

[strange sparrow]

Play mk2 for the larping (bayonet) portion

[tall torrent]

Columnus kills fast on single gunners
When they’re scattered and further away Columnus takes quite a bit of effort

[tiny summit]

That's why with ET, CK, Iron Will and MF Tunnel Vision I'm fucking invisible vs gunner rooms

[wanton dawn]

In any case, bayo build is not about optimization

[strange sparrow]

The problem with mk2 hellbore is really lack of mobility

[wanton dawn]

It is about rushing like a lunatic with a pointy stick

[strange sparrow]

And require MF stack

I want my single fire gun to body shot trash

[tiny summit]

Nah earn them kills with headshots

[wanton dawn]

And i dont sweat bringing it in maelstrom from time to time

[strange sparrow]

Certain Auric Mael doesn’t allow HellBore Gameplay

[tall torrent]

Idk, I think the gun portion is one of the best ranged weapons in vet’s kit, and the bayonet on top of it just makes it S tier easily

[strange sparrow]

Certain one encourage it

The sniper modifier for Auric Mael make Hellbore worth a while

[wanton dawn]

I mean, i can just bring plasma in every maelstrom

[strange sparrow]

Yea that’s the thing

[wanton dawn]

With the same build everytime

[strange sparrow]

Especially the fact that most of the time you’re running exec stances HellBore

[wanton dawn]

Bayo is bad on no ammo and twins

[tall torrent]

Nurgle blessing? Yea it loses some breakpoints

Lights out? Yea

[wanton dawn]

And it does not like nurgle bless

But otherwise ? It is fine

[tall torrent]

Helbore itself with survivalist basically never runs out, especially Mk2 which literally gains more ammo than it uses for killing elites & specials

[wanton dawn]

Hb is poor on no ammo cuz you need cleave

Not because of ammo eco

[tall torrent]

Right it can’t cleave ragers and maulers

[tiny summit]

No ammo scab melee is also a lot of crushers and maulers

[wanton dawn]

Exact. Hence why bayo is poor

Otherwise id bring it

[tiny summit]

Gib anti-carapace bayonet fatshark

[forest scaffold]

helbore mk3 with surgical has a niche for the no ammo maelstrom

[tall torrent]

Make mk3 bayonet 2 shot crushers for the memes

[forest scaffold]

you can even run flak/carapace

and survivalist

which feeds your team infinite ammo

run ogryns are highlighted by Exe Stance

[tiny summit]

I will just not vibe with that charge and bayonet swing

[forest scaffold]

basically infinite uptime

[wanton dawn]

It still suffer from cleave issue vs .... plasma

[forest scaffold]

yeah plasma is overtuned

so like

I just try not to compare things to it

otherwise shit like the agrip brauto just feels bad

same with revolver

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is just mvp on no ammo

[forest scaffold]

I tend to ignore them as weapons when talking about weapon balance because they're so fundamentally broken

[wanton dawn]

Otherwise you have melee vet with ps sunder

[strange sparrow]

Don’t get me started on nurgle blessing

“Hey I one tap this guy” “uhh you don’t now”

[wanton dawn]

Also, if you bring kraks on no ammo: stahp it

[strange sparrow]

No

I will always bring kraks

[wanton dawn]

Frags is just way, way better for this mod

[tall torrent]

Frag > krak, 90% the time

[spring rose]

Tru

[wanton dawn]

It is like zealot chorus stun

[strange sparrow]

If one day, frag get stuck on enemy im tossing at

I will be using frag

[wanton dawn]

With bleed

[tall torrent]

Why do u need that function

[strange sparrow]

Because I only toss grenade for specific enemy type of this game

[tiny summit]

I liked kraks but I use them less now.

[wanton dawn]

You can kill dozen of maulers and ragers with 2 frags

It is great

[tall torrent]

With or without tinkerer

[spring rose]

Only use case I feel for krak is if your vet sucks at killing group of elites

[forest scaffold]

I like kraks because I can get infinite of them

and I don't have to be pigeonholed into power sword

[tiny summit]

Throw/forget and a crusher is dead feels good until its the crusher party

[forest scaffold]

or combat knife

[wanton dawn]

Prob need it

[forest scaffold]

if I wanna kill crushers

granted

I don't think kraks are all that great in melee only maelstrom

too many ogryns

2 doesn't go very far

[tall torrent]

I tested in meat grinder, tinkerer doesn’t actually improve the 2 frag bleed stack breakpoints by much

You still need to be constantly hitting it

[strange sparrow]

I always get demolition stockpile for maximum efficiency

So 2 doesn’t hurt me

[tiny summit]

Been running demo team over stockpile for nade regen more. I like it

[tall torrent]

To make a breakpoint difference it needs them to be at blast center

[wanton dawn]

Tinkerer is mostly for bleed distribution. I dont actually take it on my plasma build

Cuz i cant spare the point

[tiny summit]

But all grenade talents and shout on enhanced blitz is funny

[wanton dawn]

Well, i could but id rather take 10% melee

[tall torrent]

I got 1 extra point, what do u suggest I take

HB1/2 or Plasma
Combat axe 2

[strange sparrow]

Agile combat?

Since you’re using HB2

[tall torrent]

I tested, didn’t help HB2 breakpoints that much and that’s what I mainly use

HB1 gets flamer 1 tap with AE

[wanton dawn]

Prob 20% ranged for plasma. Help on shotgunner body os. Or passive dmg from keystone

[strange sparrow]

It help HB2 body shot trash If im not wrong

[tiny summit]

Comp urge

[strange sparrow]

[tall torrent]

I’m considering redirect fire, field improv, grenade tinkerer, agile engagement, or even the 5% melee dmg node

[tiny summit]

2.5% is enough. Promise

[tall torrent]

Longshot?

[wanton dawn]

Passive keystone dmg give you 7.5% dmg on team

[tall torrent]

U suggest redirect fire?

[wanton dawn]

Pribably i dunno the name

[barren cave]

redirect fire is pretty good if you're using focus target anyway

its hefty free dmg for your team

[tall torrent]

That’s the 1.5% dmg per stack on enemy killed

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[tall torrent]

I’ll grab that ig

[wanton dawn]

Uptime is super easy

[tall torrent]

Ik the uptime is great but didn’t seem to give me better breakpoints

[tiny summit]

Yea. When you have the max stacks active it only needs 1 tagged enemy to keep the max stacks topped up

[tall torrent]

The only thing I think I get from it is more consistent Dreg gunner 1 taps, if I drop 15% elite

[wanton dawn]

Sure but applies to both melee and ranged team wide. Helps unreliable bp

Such as crit or from other team buff

[tall torrent]

Right, ok

[wanton dawn]

It is better than the 5% melee nodd for sure

[tall torrent]

Redirect fire it is

[tiny summit]

Fuck your personal breakpoints. You're there and it's value

[wanton dawn]

The bonus only ever drop against boss cuz you want to keep mark without refresh

Need a tiny bit of effort then

[tall torrent]

Bosses weren’t a huge deal cuz I usually divert to kill specials anyway

Bosses aren’t run enders, the specials that come with them are

[wanton dawn]

Id also drop stam regen for the 8 keystone but thats your tree

Remember that target down regen stam

[tall torrent]

I feel like that stam regen node is a bit too good for when I need to be tanking aggro

I’d even run both if I could

[wanton dawn]

True. Still, thats your tree

[tall torrent]

Get that Psyker 0.5s stam regen delay

That was actually so fun

[strange sparrow]

Anyone know how does Longshot Work in details (Numbers)

[wanton dawn]

Plus i am stupid

[strange sparrow]

Breakdown wise

[tall torrent]

Not worth unless it gives you specific breakpoints you really care about

[wanton dawn]

Deadshot helps reaching unreliable bp at range

My best example is plasma os on shotgunner bodyshot without perks

Makes them more consistent and smooth the gameplay from range

Since it is an easy grab you should at least consider it for all ranged focus build

Also it offset falloff dmg penalties applied to most gun

Function wise, it applies from "just out of melee range" to "far away" linearly

[forest scaffold]

its a flat modifier that starts at 15 meters

15.0 meters and greater you get 20% ranged damage

at 14.9999999999 and less you don't get the bonus

[strange sparrow]

So toolTips lied?

[wanton dawn]

I am just gonna say: check in psy

[forest scaffold]

Its been "wrong" in this fashion since the game released

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wanton dawn]

Cuz it is not a flat bonus nah

[forest scaffold]

Does it actually scale with distance now?

[wanton dawn]

It is been a while if it werent the case before

[forest scaffold]

I've tested it, but I never noticed it I guess

Just that its 20% damage at 15 meters or greater

which is interesting for breakpoints here and there

[midnight totem]

Is everything in this game held together by spaghetti code?

[forest scaffold]

pretty much

[umbral scaffold]

Yea

[strange sparrow]

It's not that bad of a code compared to game I played before

[barren cave]

welcome to fatshark , designers of notoriously bad tooltips in their storied history

[strange sparrow]

(Don't blame missing headshot to Code)

[umbral scaffold]

Exhilarating takedown was broken for a while where you took increased damage

[tall torrent]

You’re assuming it’s held together in the first place

[wanton dawn]

Darktide tooltip are terrible though. And they need ingame glossary

[strange sparrow]

Unlimited Smite on Release

[wanton dawn]

Code is mostly fine

[umbral scaffold]

I personally give them a bit of leniency and lower my expectations cause it’s a smaller studio making this game

[strange sparrow]

I just view this game as Vermintide 2 on release

[midnight totem]

I didn't play darktide at release

[strange sparrow]

It's a terrible game on release that they will keep updating for next couple years

[umbral scaffold]

For what Fatshark has created it’s amazing given the relatively small team behind it

[midnight totem]

But I heard it was worse

[strange sparrow]

which slowly but surely, turn it good

[inland orchid]

the shark is not fat, is the biggest bamboozle

[barren cave]

it is like that kinda, but youd think theyd learn from v2 and at least write the tooltips correctly this time , or have them work as intended

[midnight totem]

I mean, I loved Vermintide and VT2

[strange sparrow]

VT2 on release is fuckin so bad

[wanton dawn]

What is the difference between "damage" and "base damage" ? It is a trick question

[midnight totem]

Although, winds of magic sucked imho

[umbral scaffold]

Darktide on release was barebones I was there

[strange sparrow]

VT2 now is fuckin so great

just that I got bored

[umbral scaffold]

It really is shaping up to be nice and it’s taken a lot of my time away

[midnight totem]

Have they buffed foot knight?

[strange sparrow]

FootKnight is always great

[midnight totem]

I loved foot knight, even after grail knight was released

[strange sparrow]

but grail knight and mercenary is just straight up better

[midnight totem]

I hated that merc was just straight up better in like, 80 percent if situations

Maybe that's why I dislike playing voc vet

[strange sparrow]

Also dodging in this game are more "Lenient"

Unironically

[umbral scaffold]

In Darktide you also have a lot more movement and a sound cue when you’re about to hit

You have to be senile to not dodge tbh

[strange sparrow]

literally just spam dodge

then dodge slide

[midnight totem]

I think there's a sound cue in vt2 as well?

[umbral scaffold]

Even if you are out of dodges you could dodge slide, or even slide as well

[strange sparrow]

VT2 don't have sound cue for a lot of special

[midnight totem]

It's been a while

[strange sparrow]

only when they spawn

[spring rose]

Yeah hook rats, flame rat, etc

[umbral scaffold]

There’s no sound cue in v2 when you’re about to be hit by normal enemies

[spring rose]

But yeah rat assassin don't make much noise besides spawn

[strange sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVZwnq4z1co#

You can see Hook Rat

The sound que is after hitting

Also you can see his second interaction, it doesn't make any sound

[midnight totem]

Right

Huh. Honestly don't remember that

[strange sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5iJuSPwv50

Also this, there is no sound que

You just get caught

[midnight totem]

Though, I'm conditioned to dodge immediately when they get in melee range

[umbral scaffold]

People coming from Vermintide usually are a whole other breed from people who started out in darktide

V2 gave the players a lot less to work with

[jade notch]

They already know the fundamentals of the Melee Dance, which goes a long way

Just a matter of adjusting to the particulars of Darktide

[midnight totem]

It definitely does go a long way

[strange sparrow]

VT2 punish you very badly for playing rush/alone

[jade notch]

Yeah, I'm glad my buddies dragged me into VT2 first before Darktide kicked off

[strange sparrow]

If you push too hard, they spawn boss that just cut you off

Because certain places just get green fire that block you off magically (Turn it into an arena)

[midnight totem]

If you can solo a horde in VT2 you can solo a horde in Darktide, and you're immediately better then 70 percent of players

[umbral scaffold]

Just fighting in darktide as you would in Vermintide is enough to win all melee engagements considering every melee enemy is pretty much a norscan asset flip

[jade notch]

I kinda miss the small interactions with certain Specials (like the Warp Gunner and Warp Flamer exploding if you shoot their tanks), but with how many Specials Darktide throws at you in Damnation+, I can understand why they didn't do that.

[strange sparrow]

Darktide Damnation+ is the only thing keeping my adrenaline up while a normal 5 on VT2 is enough to keep me tense up

Chaos Knight are actually fuckin scary

[barren cave]

the darktide ost banging away on damnation fights is an absolute BLAST

[umbral scaffold]

I really miss blowing up warp throwers I think they should reintroduce that

[jade notch]

More or less, yeah.

[umbral scaffold]

The only equivalent to popping a warp thrower in darktide is staggering a bomber when they’re about to throw

[jade notch]

I wish the Last Man Standing piece for Darktide was more bombastic like the VT2 one was, which is basically the VT2 Theme hyped up.

[strange sparrow]

Also VT2 just encourage people to go fight in melee

It punish you badly for trying to use range weapon

[umbral scaffold]

The other movement options such as dodge sliding and normal sliding helps when ranged fire gets thrown your fire as well

[midnight totem]

Until they run into a gunner line

[strange sparrow]

also Peril hurt you instead of "You either blowup"

[strange sparrow]

Nah you have shields

most class have shields anyways

Even Kerillian (Wood Elf Rogue) have a fuckin shield

that block everything

[midnight totem]

Oh wait you said vt

I was thinking darktide

I get too melee happy sometimes

[strange sparrow]

I could play Dt with just columnus

Melee is not required

only dodging

[jade notch]

Yeah, just Cha Cha Slide Dodge towards the enemy gunline before stabbing them. Works almost every time.

[midnight totem]

Anyway, let's say I want to keep glory and Rending on my pistol, what perks? Manic and flak?

[umbral scaffold]

That reminds me, the columnus build I’ve been using lately is practically impervious to enemy fire it’s dirty

[jade notch]

Flak+Maniac is the usual go-to for Perks, yeah.

[trim steppe]

stripped down + duck and dive?

[umbral scaffold]

Add in some mobility and it’s rare I take damage in auric maelstrom/damnation

[umbral scaffold]

No just a toughness based build with ex stance

[trim steppe]

nice

[umbral scaffold]

It has the blessing that grants invulnerability on close range kill as well

[strange sparrow]

I hate Exec Stances on Columnus

Not really needed

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328

[strange sparrow]

I just take VoC, and be a fuckin Regarded running around

Run out of toughness -> Scream -> Continue running around

[trim steppe]

It really tightens up the ads and gives you a lot more range

[strange sparrow]

I just run straight up to them and blast them in the face most of the time

[barren cave]

I feel like determined should be baked into something else on vet

[umbral scaffold]

Ex stance is absolutely filthy if you don’t like it you can run voc we always need support on the team

[strange sparrow]

I also take MarksManFocus on Columnus because I feel like it

[languid estuary]

i take it i should drop shred for rampage and replace infested but i'm new to vet so i'm open to being corrected

[trim steppe]

I mean yeah, but its hard to run up on a sniper 50m away

[strange sparrow]

it's so stupidly easy to stack MF stack on Columnus

and popping head give you 3 stack and 3 seconds of running

[tall torrent]

Regular guns don’t have ads bullet spread in this game unless you’re being suppressed

Exe just reduces recoil for u

[radiant hare]

randomly got this

[umbral scaffold]

The way I use ex stance is more like a mix of predator, terminator and doom slayer

[barren cave]

do you give your team exec stance vision though

[umbral scaffold]

Never

[strange sparrow]

No

[jade notch]

People rarely take that subnode for Exec Stance

[strange sparrow]

Dont let your team compete for your refresh

[umbral scaffold]

Don’t need no pub players stealing valuable ex stance refreshes

[strange sparrow]

Giving them vision = making them think those are priority

[jade notch]

It would be wild if that Node let you get Refresh off of friendly kills though.

[strange sparrow]

which is kinda true but you want to KILL THEM INSTEAD

[umbral scaffold]

Feel bad for anyone who does take that subnode because I’m just gonna use the free wall hax

[strange sparrow]

Yea if it give you refresh base on friendly kill

but currently, you're griefing yourself

[trim steppe]

I'm not afraid of pub randos taking my kills, I can beat them just fine. I just dont want to spend any precious talent points on those dingbats

[strange sparrow]

Auric Mael require you to play a bit of utility atleast

[trim steppe]

Guys what do we do with all this Diamantine

[jade notch]

The only subnode I take for Exec Stance is the "Refresh on Kill" one, so that's just Elites and Specialists.

[jade notch]

Pray Fatshark will let us exchange that Diamantine for Plasteel

[strange sparrow]

or just kill everything before your team get down

[umbral scaffold]

I like the subnode that prioritizes all shooters

[strange sparrow]

I take only 2 subnote tbh

[umbral scaffold]

Going Rambo on random dreg crack addicts

[strange sparrow]

Shooters + Refresh

Because Shooters are abundant

So I can get a lot of refresh usually

[trim steppe]

Sell it for plasteel / pay for weapon unlocks / buy blessings / ???

[jade notch]

Let us bring up our Weapon Stats to Max Stats, I guess?

[strange sparrow]

They should introduce red item so end game isn't so fuckin grindy

[trim steppe]

Its funny that the first 50 hours or so I thought diamantine was the bottleneck resource from playing lower level stuff all the time

[trim steppe]

Or you know, just make crafting less terrible

But they made it grindy on purpose

[midnight totem]

Two things with diamantine, let us spend it to get a weapon's level up to 380

[strange sparrow]

Crafting is alright imo

[trim steppe]

Who remembers the plasteel refund bug right before the overhaul? I miss those beautiful weeks. I filled my characters with oranges

[strange sparrow]

Getting blessing and stuff

[barren cave]

just let me convert diamantine into aquilas

[midnight totem]

Let us spend it to unlock locked perks and blessings

[strange sparrow]

And this is the guy that spend 32k plasteel on fuckin POWER SWORD FOR POWER CYCLER 4

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/518070716235644938/816725964528681029/image0-2-1-1.gif

[trim steppe]

You like the RNG gatcha bs crafting?

[midnight totem]

I spent only 4k

[strange sparrow]

I like the Blessings farming things

I dont like the stats farming

[jade notch]

Darktide has never been so grindy for me as it was for trying to get PCycler 4, don't worry

[strange sparrow]

Because you only do it once per weapon then move on

[umbral scaffold]

I haven’t played much Vermintide ever since darktide came out but isn’t Vermintides crafting a whole lot better

[strange sparrow]

Yes and No

[jade notch]

It's less grindy, that much I can say

[umbral scaffold]

Better in the fact it gave you a lot more agency provided you had more resources

At least no bs locks

[trim steppe]

My only purpose in the game at this point is collecting blessings, I'd try to make more good weapons to try playing with but its too expensive and annoying

[strange sparrow]

You need to play on the highest difficulty in Vermintide 2 to obtain "Resources (Weapons) - Emperor's Blessings"

You could get Purple/orange, which you grind them to be dust (Which you use them to reroll perks and blessings)

1 mission only give you 3 weapon material

and Material cannot be a ticket to access higher "weapon" tier

VT2 are another set of grinding where you're forced to take 2 Grimmoire, and 3 Scriptures per run

complete the mission to get maximum level chest which give you 3 weapon

[jade notch]

The Full Library Runs, ye

[strange sparrow]

I would say Vt2 Grind is more rewarding

You complete mission -> You get a chest that is based off how many dice/books you got till the end of the mission -> you roll that chest (Always 3 weapon)

Also levelling up give you another chest

[umbral scaffold]

3 weapons is a lot better than occasionally getting one that’s for sure

If grims and scrips contributed to getting emperors gifts (and if emperors gifts were actually fuckin good) they’d be sought after

[strange sparrow]

Those 3 weapon (If you do not like) can be grind into dust to upgrade for weapon that you like

which isn't fuckin docket

the material (Plasteel and Diametrash) are Weapon's Dust

Which mean playing mission as fast as possible and as difficult as possible are fuckin important to begin

Fast Mission = More Director AI Credit = More Elites Specials and Boss to fight = More rewarding chest

[umbral scaffold]

The power level of emperors gifts should be contingent on a few things like difficulty and modifiers. So auric maelstrom would guarantee a 370+ stat weapon

[trim steppe]

Imagine getting an emp gift PER book you got during the mission

amazing

[strange sparrow]

Biggest problem with Emperor's Gift is his gift sucks

Where's that meme where Emperor's gift is a 0% damage weapon

[placid portal]

[cedar pecan]

The Emperor is most generous

[placid portal]

Empra's Gift in Darktide is what the PDF forces get for their Armament

[umbral scaffold]

“Maybe the emperor does love me” loose cannon vet before getting his emperors gift (a shredder autopistol with 0% damage, 23% ammo)

[placid portal]

Sometimes you get blessing fodders

[trim steppe]

I just want to be able to build a weapon and be able to play around with different blessing and perk combinations, without having to play 30 missions to have enough resources to afford 10 different versions of the weapon with different combos. Just remove the GD locks, having to pay 250 plasteel per change is already bad enough tbh

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shoot-me-gif-14188290

[trim steppe]

Theres like 100 weapons in this game and I've given very few of them a real try because I can't be bothered to grind the materials and sift through the crafting system to find the blessing and perk combos that feel good

[cedar pecan]

at least let us change 3 things per weapon

[strange sparrow]

How I feel about the crafting system

[placid portal]

"Splendid"

[strange sparrow]

Splendid on scamming my 1.6k plasteel

[placid portal]

[cedar pecan]

that's what always ends up happening

[strange sparrow]

spent 450k docket for perfect hellbore

-> bricked

[placid portal]

Could be worse

Some MMORPGS completely destroy a weapon when failing to refine up a level

When gold value is so crap you can just funnel so much gold into buying and refing them

[jolly hemlock]

you also have the chance to get something increadible strong for that. here its just a normal weapon

so wrong comparason

[strange sparrow]

You're rewarded for trying in those MMO

I'm just trying to min-max in this game

[placid portal]

Imagine failing to refine weapons in Darktide

[strange sparrow]

Risk/Reward are balanced and you probably need to do it once for those game

[placid portal]

That'd be horrible

[trim steppe]

Hadron says "Back onto your hampster wheel varlet"

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/hampter-gif-20240312

[strange sparrow]

Hadron : How about you go get me another batch of 1.6k Plasteel

[umbral scaffold]

Give us 3 modifications fart shart at least

[rapid hedge]

do u wanna see a tragedy

[placid portal]

[jolly hemlock]

just unlock locks with diamantine

and fatshark would have their peace

[placid portal]

Diamantine do be sitting there

[strange sparrow]

Playing Auric Mael doesn't even reward me properly

[jolly hemlock]

true

[placid portal]

Auric Mael makes my Kill Confirm go fast

[trim steppe]

I'm almost out of Diamantine, I'm down to 42k

[placid portal]

[rapid hedge]

guys which blessings are objectively the best for power sword o_e?

[placid portal]

Power cycler

No arguement for that one

[strange sparrow]

Power Cycler 4 and Brutal Momentum (even 3 is good)

[trim steppe]

power cycler, then bromentum/sunder

[rapid hedge]

i cant decide between brutal momentum / sunder lol

[placid portal]

sunder do be good at staggering crushas

[trim hemlock]

I would say PC is non-optional, and then BM is the one I value the most

[placid portal]

rampage is fixed now?

[strange sparrow]

BM = Bad Manner = Dead Chaos Cultist

[trim hemlock]

Supposedly, yes

[strange sparrow]

[trim steppe]

bromentum is better clear, sunder lets you swing through armor, its flavor for your playstyle

[placid portal]

sunder do be fine in MK3

[rapid hedge]

i kept searching online and people say BM is kinda useless because when powered up the sword already has massive cleave e_e

[umbral scaffold]

On my old ps3 power cycle and bromentum allowed me to cleave through enemies in an almost 360 arc if you swing your mouse wildly enough

[placid portal]

Yea but you don't lose damage when weakpoint kills

[trim steppe]

thats old advice, BM is really good

[trim hemlock]

Yes, but it does have damage cleave drop-off with each target

[junior grail]

I noticed my game stutters from time to time, like a brief 2 seconds and Ive gotten downed a few times because I get hit during those stutters.

Anyone have any suggestions to resolve this?

[trim hemlock]

BM makes that issue non-existent

[strange sparrow]

You lose damage when you cleave through each target

[midnight mortar]

That's not quite true.

[outer creek]

hey ya'll, I was wondering what blessings are good for the mkIV chainsword. I've been using rampage/savage sweep for so long idk what else to use

[tall torrent]

Cleave does less dmg after first target

[rapid hedge]

oh so its like bullet penetration but for sword swing :0

[trim hemlock]

And is unconditional, as long as the first target you hit and kill dies from a Weakspot hit

[placid portal]

Wait only first target?

[strange sparrow]

Also don't read Reddit, a lot of people have bad takes on there when I look at it

[tall torrent]

However, sunder cleaves literally everything in front of you which can be useful against rager/mauler/crusher packs

Very strong in mass elite formations

[placid portal]

^^^

[strange sparrow]

They're playing on 4 or something I swear to god

[rapid hedge]

aite now that the blessings are settled ( thx bois ❤️ ) ... which Mk is better... xD

[midnight mortar]

Mk6.

[strange sparrow]

Powersword 6

[trim hemlock]

I assume that somewhat in reference to how combat axes work, but I reckon it should proc on any killing WS?

[placid portal]

Damnation or Bust for lvl 30s

[rapid hedge]

niceee

[strange sparrow]

You need to learn how to charge it thou

[placid portal]

[umbral scaffold]

Power sword 6 is the best it has way better survivability than the ps3

[rapid hedge]

im glad its mk 6 i just got a god roll for it 😄 thanks

[trim steppe]

the consensus is mk6 but I still prefer mk3 🤷‍♂️

[strange sparrow]

Charge -> Slide to break the momentum slowdown

[trim hemlock]

But PS has massive damage against its first target, so usually whatever gets hit, and isn’t an elite/other, dies

[placid portal]

true since mk6 does have horizontal cleave on lights vs horizontal on heavy on mk3

[rapid hedge]

but why o_O

[tall torrent]

Cleave loses majority of its dmg after first target

[placid portal]

ah

I thought you meant you only need to kill one BM to maintain benefit

[rapid hedge]

im taking in everyones opinion on the off chance Boko is a secret god tier vet that solos the twins on hard mode

[placid portal]

hot dog

[strange sparrow]

No one could solos Twins on Hard Mode

[tall torrent]

The general consensus is mk6 being more versatile
But mk3 is by no means bad

[trim steppe]

The way I use it the mk6 has a slowdown on charge which interrupts my movement. You can do slides and stuff to mitigate but I dont like it

[umbral scaffold]

PS3 has a way better heavy attack than the ps6 IMO

[strange sparrow]

Prove me wrong I dare u

[placid portal]

Tbf mk6 has mk3's heavy swing direction on lightsss

[strange sparrow]

(Unless you use the zealot invisible bug)

[rapid hedge]

laughs in zealot shroud bug xD

[strange sparrow]

It's been patched now

so no one could do it

[rapid hedge]

T_T

[placid portal]

lel

[umbral scaffold]

Yea but light swings

[placid portal]

So it's faster reaction after charging so less vulnerable window

[rapid hedge]

alrighty crafting toime

[placid portal]

[umbral scaffold]

The way I use the heavy swings on ps3, when combined with bromentum is to swing my mouse in the direction of the hordes so even if I was surrounded I’d hit all the enemies

Has to sacrifice my ps3 for its power cycler 4

[placid portal]

Man Swinging your mouse to maximize melee ability is hilarious

Classic Chivalry and Mordhau moment

[trim steppe]

Lol. I've played a lot of vet but I'm probably an A-tier player not S-tier. Mk3 just is my jam, some weapon marks just fit like a glove for you and not for others

[strange sparrow]

I use dodge to maximize melee ability

[umbral scaffold]

It works extremely well and I learned it from chiv infact lol

[strange sparrow]

Seem like it work(?)

or just my brain fuckin around with me

[placid portal]

Yes It's so good that it's funny

[rapid hedge]

oh wait i almost forgot. for power sword perks , which are the best? cause i got locked into flak damage and 10% melee damage to poxwalkers (which ik isnt the best but thats the price i pay for the blessings 🥲 )

[umbral scaffold]

One of the loading screen tips on chiv 2 is to imagine your mouse like your hips so if you swing your mouse it’s like swinging your hips irl

[placid portal]

Maniac and Flak is a good Default choice

[strange sparrow]

if you could, change 10% to Poxwalker to 25% to Maniac

[rapid hedge]

man i wish we had the feast brawl aboard the mouringstar

[strange sparrow]

Some people prefer Flak + Cara

[placid portal]

iirc if you don't have brutal momentum you need Carapace perk to kill crushers with the one two combo

[rapid hedge]

oh

[strange sparrow]

Push + Attack + Heavy Attack right

[placid portal]

Nah Push attack + light for mk6

[trim steppe]

push attack + light

[placid portal]

Heavy is poor finesse

[strange sparrow]

Interesting

[placid portal]

So it's a Stab and Overhead for Mk6

[rapid hedge]

well unfortunatley i got wrath and rampage so i had to change both blessings and my perks are now locked 🥲

[umbral scaffold]

Push attack does a dirty amount of damage it’ll 1hk a charging mutant if you hit the weak spot at the right time

[strange sparrow]

I mean

Psword is just dumb

very very strong for just charging

[placid portal]

Example of the One Two Combo:
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1ABicnOe-OKJYY/d1337QqgJd8W?invite=cr-MSx4a0csMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[rapid hedge]

O_O

[trim steppe]

Power sword is amazing you just have to pay the power cycler tax for it to be usable

[umbral scaffold]

If I was a dumb inbred mutant and I ran into a sword face first I’d probably die horribly as well

[strange sparrow]

Mk4 Duelling sword

[placid portal]

Credits to Crab

[strange sparrow]

Stab into mutant and watch as their body drop dead

[placid portal]

Or Shovel StabPick for instant death

Love Mk3 Shovel

[strange sparrow]

I hate shovel I hate shovel I hate shovel

[rapid hedge]

Alrighty my fellow vets. Based off your expert opinion and help (thx btw <3) , she has been crafted ! Behold my babybeh! What shall we call her bois?

[strange sparrow]

I am not a krieg member I am not a krieg member I am not a krieg member

[strange sparrow]

Wow this is pretty good

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/melee-combat-warhammer40k-death-korps-of-krieg-shovel-kill-him-gif-26550081

[rapid hedge]

ya i was holding it in reserve until i got the proper advice i didnt wanna fuck it up like i did with my zealot......... xD ( i was new back then and didnt fully understand the crafting system so RIP T_T )

[placid portal]

Unyielding

• thrust

[rapid hedge]

this thunder hammer haunts my dreams now 🥲

[umbral scaffold]

If this was in darktide the krieger would have no idea that melee was an option and die to the heretic while he tries to hit one (1) charged helbore shot

[edgy obsidian]

A child died due to this

[placid portal]

Damn

A skill issue

[rapid hedge]

yeah, my inner child

completely obliterated KEK

[strange sparrow]

Man

[placid portal]

Does take some learning when to shoot and melee brawl with Lucius

[strange sparrow]

That ThunderHammer just make me die inside

[gusty bison]

I mean. Just stab them with the bayo

[umbral scaffold]

I like my krieg skin but I have noticed most krieg skin vets can be kinda useless

[gusty bison]

S tier melee weapon on a stick there

[placid portal]

Tru

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cops-stab-battle-buddy-army-gif-26563373

[placid portal]

Unless you use MK3

*which I do

[strange sparrow]

Just stab him dude

[umbral scaffold]

Especially if I see the Xbox symbol next to their name

[strange sparrow]

teach him the propa englishman manner

[wanton dawn]

Damn right

[umbral scaffold]

That private didn’t have his battle buddy (he wasn’t in coherency)

[rapid hedge]

if anything it made me choose the path of the astra millitarum and not the adeptus ministorum

[placid portal]

PoV: Experienced Darktide Players teaching newbies how to stay in team coherency range

Ngl Take a Breath actually so nice when you're the last man standing

that 5% Regen really helps when in a shootout while alone

[rapid hedge]

also do u guys think that 2 wounds on vet is enough? i feel like a paper straw whenever i go into auric with only 2 wounds e_e

[strange sparrow]

2 Wounds is enough

[rapid hedge]

its so scary tho

[strange sparrow]

Don't get down

[dapper vessel]

yes

[strange sparrow]

You spend all your curios on Toughness to abuse IronWill as much as possible

[wanton dawn]

Yes. Also Wound utilities scaled down with stimm

[placid portal]

Keep your team close, and your Med Stimms Closer

[strange sparrow]

This specific Passive, just make your gameplay much much easier

[wanton dawn]

Wound is the only curio major that does not help not getting down

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

[rapid hedge]

the new stims helps but fuck me with a munitorum Mk VII shovel when i see a zealot with 8 billion wounds yoink a health stim away from me e_e

[trim hemlock]

Honestly

[placid portal]

It's worse when they take medicae with no Corrupted wounds

[trim hemlock]

I think Marty Zealots are the best folks to carry a med stim

[strange sparrow]

Also, I generally feel that if you get down too much you're a handicap to begin

Go big or go home if you're playing Auric Mael

[rapid hedge]

ohhhhh THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE

[wanton dawn]

Thoughness got better with fire rework

[placid portal]

ngl out for blood would be nice if it wasn't in the -20% sprint stamina cost

[strange sparrow]

Also this

[umbral scaffold]

Wounds suck man I gotta be honest with you wounds suck and you’re better off with health or toughness

[strange sparrow]

Fire is kinda bullshit if your toughness is 0 but it's better than previously

where I touch 1 fire = no toughness

[rapid hedge]

fire rework o_O?

[umbral scaffold]

When I see player with many wounds I think “that is one big baby”

[rapid hedge]

ohhh

[placid portal]

Love Instant death in new Fire day 1

[strange sparrow]

[rapid hedge]

that fire rework i thought u were talking about a skill lol

[wanton dawn]

Fire only need to reset tick on downed player rn

[rapid hedge]

yeah fire doesnt fuckin blaze through your balls and into your soul in 0.000001 milliseconds now

[hallow dock]

returning player is this a good axe?

[wanton dawn]

Meh

[spring rose]

It's ok

[strange sparrow]

I would say it's not that great rn

[dapper vessel]

nah

[strange sparrow]

Bad Blessings

[languid estuary]

man what did they do to the mk3

[rapid hedge]

if first target was 70+ i would say thats a god roll xd?

[languid estuary]

it feels like shit now

[placid portal]

?

[languid estuary]

or maybe my build is trash for it idk

[placid portal]

what mk3

[spring rose]

?

[wanton dawn]

Which mk3

[dapper vessel]

theres like 2 mark 3

[placid portal]

There's like alot of MK3

[languid estuary]

oh mb

[spring rose]

Mk3 ps?

[languid estuary]

the vraks autogun

[placid portal]

Ah

[wanton dawn]

[dapper vessel]

vraks 3 you mean

[placid portal]

they nerfed the heck outta that one didn't they?

[dapper vessel]

you just build crits for it

[wanton dawn]

The one no one think about

[dapper vessel]

no it still do good

[rapid hedge]

also for the life of me ive upgraded like 20 fuckin green shotguns and cant seem to get fullbore 4 -_-

[dapper vessel]

can still shreds boss's HP

[spring rose]

Slap tier 4 Deadshot headhunter on that bad boy

[placid portal]

ah nice

[spring rose]

And u good with that autogun

[hallow dock]

what is thrust a good melee perk on?

[placid portal]

Chainaxe

Or Folding Shovel

[wanton dawn]

Blessing*

[rapid hedge]

anything with heavy swings basically

[placid portal]

Tomato Tomato

[spring rose]

It's godly on shovel fr

[placid portal]

Uncanny is fun

[spring rose]

I kneel to the folding shovel

[placid portal]

the fact you can wrek alot of enemies it's insane

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1181725078141014046/9cc925cd-4f34-4ab5-a08b-62c334fbeb32.mp4?ex=659dc9be&is=658b54be&hm=b2d1f5b30931d7e733d0ac95ad7abe7293c9addca88bddff8b25752fc6bc7d68&

This isn't even a good roll

[spring rose]

Horde clears kills elites like nobodies biz

[languid estuary]

what kind of talent build would you suggest w/ it, i just came back and haven't played since like april so i'm still feeling everything out

[wanton dawn]

Thats me with an hb bayonet

[dapper vessel]

For the Vraks 3 specifically you want Headhunter and Deadly Accurate for your blessings

[spring rose]

Hb bayonet go brrr

[languid estuary]

i meant like vet talents but that's good to know too

[rapid hedge]

alrighty now that you guys helped me with muh power sword this next one is a bit tricky. Which one i should i use ? WHICH IS KRIEG WORTHY? 1 , 2 , 3 or 4 o_O?

[wanton dawn]

Literally #veteran-class message

[rapid hedge]

also its 1 - 2 , 3 - 4 horizontally cause discord arranged them like that lol

[gray belfry]

4th one seems funny

[rapid hedge]

i feel like 2 is the best but idk how important charge rate is when i can just rely on the blessing

[spring rose]

520(4th) looks good just replace the ranged damage perk

[wanton dawn]

4th probably

Locks seems better, got 79 stop dmg and good on the rest

[rapid hedge]

im holing off on my 2nd lock cause im hoping to get surgical tier 4... xD

[spring rose]

Surgical tier 4 is meh

Tier 3 will do just fine

[gray belfry]

4th one has a funny number for stability., therefore its best

[rapid hedge]

so its not worth it for the difference between tier 3 and 4 xd?

[spring rose]

Yes

Just stick with tier 3 surgical

[wanton dawn]

You get more from better perk

[dapper vessel]

This is how I would build my Vet using Vraks 3

[wanton dawn]

Than t4 surgical over t3

[spring rose]

It's not worth rolling for

Imo

Unless u got resources to burn

[rapid hedge]

alright

[dapper vessel]

Most important nodes you want is Precision Strikes for the +30% weak spot damage

[gray belfry]

best part about it is youc an change the ranged damage to somethign else, and still have the option to upgrade to t4 surgical should it ever rock up

[spring rose]

^

[rapid hedge]

i always have resources to burn when there are heretics to burn them for:D

[dapper vessel]

and Onslaught to apply brittleness to get more damage against tougher enemies

[spring rose]

Yeah by all means go for it if ya want it

[dapper vessel]

and it build brittleness quickly thanks to the Vraks 3's burst fire

[wanton dawn]

No elite 15% ?

[dapper vessel]

nah

[rapid hedge]

but youre saying that a +25% perk would be better value over the small % increase that the tier 4 provides, right?

[wanton dawn]

It applies to ogryn as well. Might be better than brittle

[spring rose]

Tier 4 is blessings not perks

[rapid hedge]

o ye i meant blessing

[dapper vessel]

thats a good point

[trim hemlock]

Good build. I’d probably go Exe Stance instead of VoC, but that’s just my preference.

[spring rose]

Yeah replace the 8% ranged damage to like 25% damage against enemy type

[dapper vessel]

but then again this is the crit Vraks 3 which can already shreds Elites without the extra 15%

[spring rose]

Or crits if you're going for that in ur build

[rapid hedge]

wait so which perk should i go for then if i decide to stick with the tier 3 surgical? +damage to maniacs?

[spring rose]

Manics is good

[rapid hedge]

oh ok

[dapper vessel]

Onslaught cuz I think it works for against bosses

[spring rose]

Covers flamers ragers trapper

[rapid hedge]

copy that

[spring rose]

I probably forgot the rest

[wanton dawn]

Sure, but you also get more ammo reserve and potential better dmg on average. It is a tradeoff to check

Not saying is better though

[trim hemlock]

Mutants. That’s it. Also, only Dreg rager, not both.

[wanton dawn]

Just pointing out

[rapid hedge]

thanks guys

[visual remnant]

Dreg ragers, trappers, flamers

Meowtants

[strange sparrow]

VoC is just more forgiving/more utility

Exec just... a lot of potential dps

I still haven't find myself in a position where, hey I need more damage

[trim hemlock]

Indeed. I don’t like VoC, though, too many people use it and too few want to specialise in, well, special/shooter disposal.

[umbral scaffold]

You can’t kill like I kill

[strange sparrow]

It's nice to use Exec Stances once in a while

[languid estuary]

@dapper vessel thank you for the build, this is so much stronger than what i was using LMAO

[umbral scaffold]

I feel khorne speak to me in ex stance

[strange sparrow]

give you that larping feel, I'm deleting special

I just hate that the duration is so low and you're forced to use a gun

And yes yes you can refresh it

[umbral scaffold]

Use it on shooter hordes that’s really the best applicable situation for it

And theres plenty of shooter hordes to deal with

[strange sparrow]

It's great on certain room

[umbral scaffold]

This is why I run ex stance mostly now. Yes voc is strong but every veteran and their mom runs it

[strange sparrow]

But Carnival just

isn't that compatible?

I dont know the wording for it

[umbral scaffold]

“You’re a plasma VOC vet too? Come join us in our circle jerk”

[wanton dawn]

The thing is, exec stance doesnt help that much at elite/special disposal in practice

[strange sparrow]

The Torrent - Great for Exec Stance

Meanwhile this map be like

Good luck not overwhelmed in every direction

This map is great for Exec too because of how far is sniper placed (No one could harm it generally)

[wanton dawn]

VoC helps just as much by giving you breathing room to shoot and refilling team thoughness when stuck in melee

[trim hemlock]

Yes, but, it’s still more damage, more easily controllable recoil, and knowledge of where elites/specials approach from/are in a crowd of enemies. It also allows you to easily clear corridors of enemies. Don’t get me wrong - VoC has its strong sides and is somewhat easier to use, but I’d rather have a competent Exec vet on the team than a mediocre VoC one that needs the VoC to do their job.

[wanton dawn]

Sure, but id rather have a competent voc than a competent exec user

[spring rose]

Idk I just like shouting loud and enemy fall

Kinda miss the OI

[trim hemlock]

Each to their own, I suppose.

[spring rose]

From Kruber

[strange sparrow]

My Exec Stance Friend Malding at me for killing stuff too fast

[wanton dawn]

At the end of the day, exec is quite rare in auric mael

[trim hemlock]

That’s me, sometimes

[idle carbon]

hell it's pretty rare in regular damnation

[trim hemlock]

Oh how the times have changed from Vet being the dedicated special/elite killer…

[spring rose]

I mean you can still do that

[wanton dawn]

Still kinda is 🤷

[spring rose]

My vet is just that

[strange sparrow]

Everyone kinda is a Special/Elite Killer

You aren't special anymore

[rapid hedge]

Fellow vets what is the dumpstat for the plasma gun?

[strange sparrow]

Psyker with a bunch of fuckin shard

[spring rose]

Skill trees and their branching paths lol

[strange sparrow]

Vet with a revolver

[wanton dawn]

The real clutch wasnt the damage. It was unwavering focus

[mystic owl]

Charge time

[umbral scaffold]

To be special you have to develop your skill set into something truly remarkable

Ex stance is still strong and I stand by it I definitely have more fun with it than press f to yell loud

[wanton dawn]

Exec stance rn lost all its survability bonus to become a unremarkable dps bonus

[trim hemlock]

You can, but then, you’re not really expected to, and other classes got the tools for this type of job, too

[rapid hedge]

Sadge thought i could have had a god roll

[trim hemlock]

Kind of/sort of none

You want everything to be somewhat high

[rapid hedge]

so is that one worth upgrading to gold?

[mystic owl]

That's perfectly fine

Now to let Hadron ruin it

[rapid hedge]

xD

[wanton dawn]

Plasma dumpest stat is arguably ammo, then charge, then thermal. But no true dump

[umbral scaffold]

It’s already got damage to specialists I don’t think anyone likes that perk

[wanton dawn]

Ideally you want everything above 70

[spring rose]

Well, It ain't stopping me from still elite killin with my vet

[trim hemlock]

IDK if that low thermal is relevant, but it might mean that you won’t be able to charge a light shot you’d otherwise be able to shoot

Still, it probably can do its job

[wanton dawn]

Though this patch, vet can grab fully loaded on plasma easily

[spring rose]

If people mald about that, too bad!

[rapid hedge]

Huh i got blaze away tier 3 on it

[trim hemlock]

That’s a good blessing

[spring rose]

Blaze away on plasma is goated

[rapid hedge]

what 2nd blessing would i want?

[wanton dawn]

Get hot

[rapid hedge]

buy me a drink first atleast

[trim hemlock]

Gets Hot is good, Gloryhunter is good, the rest is somewhat mediocre

[rapid hedge]

oh

aite thx xD

[trim hemlock]

But perks matter more than blessings do, TBH

[spring rose]

^ Yup! It helps with breakpoints

[wanton dawn]

Why no one is saying shattering ? I got flamed for dissing shattering the other day

Show yourself pro gamer

[rapid hedge]

it rolled 10% ranged specialist. i assume dat best perks would be flak/elites/unyielding ?

[mystic owl]

Unyielding for sure

[trim hemlock]

Unarmoured is somewhat popular, and Elites IIRC?

[idle carbon]

every time I've asked about plasma perks I've gotten a different answer

[rapid hedge]

xD

[spring rose]

It really depends on what u wanna do

And everyone got their style

[rapid hedge]

i wanan git good T_T

[wanton dawn]

On plasma ? It depend, most perk only gives 1 significant bp

[strange sparrow]

Put Flak on it and watch your discord explode

[mystic owl]

I run Unyield and I think Cara

[strange sparrow]

[spring rose]

Lmaoooo

[rapid hedge]

cara o_0

[spring rose]

Carapace armor

For bosses n crushers, etc armored enemies

[spring rose]

Responding to this btw

[wanton dawn]

Plasma cara can reach 2 shot on crusher uncharged with more consistency

Even 1 on charged but no one charge plasma

[mystic owl]

Nothing worse than getting gangbanged by 7 crushers

[wintry bay]

whered all the helbore guys go? havnt seen another in days

[weak hamlet]

So the plasma gun has a normal shot and a strong shot with the right click, I guess rhe right click is the equivalent of when you overcharge your plasma guns on tabletop and have to make a hazard throw ? Imagine if the plasma gun exploding was random like it is on tabletop lmao

[spring rose]

If you overcharge you die

[wanton dawn]

Right click is bad rn

[spring rose]

[stone adder]

soo, any tips for playing and leveling up veteran?
my first mission i did as a veteran wasn't
uhh, that good,

[wintry bay]

honestly, when do you ever charge the plasma? dmg increase seems tiny for all the drawbacks

[strange sparrow]

Learn how the melee combat/dance be

[wanton dawn]

Never is fine

[mystic owl]

Maybe if a charger is coming at me I'll charge it

[spring rose]

Just keep playing more, learn to dodge / dodge slide efficiently

[rapid hedge]

am right here brother

[mystic owl]

but more often than not I just spam left

[spring rose]

Right click to block tooo

With melee

[strange sparrow]

Always remember blocking are strong

[weak hamlet]

When I want to one shot a rager or when I need to down a crusher or a bulwark

[rapid hedge]

did u bring your shovel? you cant fight without your shovel

[spring rose]

In blocking,grow strong

[stone adder]

ahh, so, ignore the gun? isin't that the point of him?

[rapid hedge]

@wintry bay what say u about this xd ?

[trim hemlock]

What did you struggle with? One advice I can give off the get-go is to upgrade your ability ASAP. Baseline Volley fire is a garbage ability.

[wintry bay]

unironically shovels are pretty good for learning melee combat, id recommend the basic one with stab to learn though. Its a git gud or die melee weapon in higher hazs

[mystic owl]

Master the melee then master the gun

[spring rose]

The advice was for melee

[wanton dawn]

Lets put it that way: charged plasma is 3x ammo, 3x ammo, 2x damage, samz heat generation, no blaze away synergy and risk of explosion

[stone adder]

yea i was told by my friend it was seen as the worst
the zoom in is
really painful

[idle carbon]

is it possible to one-shot headshot bulwarks / reapers with the light shot with a build? typically on my VOC vet I'll charge up and headshot reapers in one go, or charge up my first shot and headshot a bulkwark through his shield and then finish it off with a light

[tender pasture]

fixating on gun will get you bodied, fixating on melee will make you suboptimal

[spring rose]

^

[wanton dawn]

On crit ? I think yes

[mystic owl]

I melee too much Ruined by Vermintide

[wintry bay]

4 all day

[strange sparrow]

Also don’t need to play so much gun

[spring rose]

Learning to use gun and melee in appropriate situations and dodging n sliding

[tender pasture]

same, still get irritated when people do moroccan weddings

[idle carbon]

hm, I'll have to look into that build next I get

[stone adder]

well, does vet have any cool melees? like zealot does?

[idle carbon]

power sword and shovel are enjoyable

[rapid hedge]

Ok i feel like not many people know that the helbore bayonet one taps almost everything and 2/3 taps specials PLUS it staggers ragers with every hit and you can spam like 3 hits a second

[strange sparrow]

Cool melee yes, but your case no

[tender pasture]

but if they aren't running dry or or taking all the ammo, they can do what they want

[mystic owl]

Has the Powersword and Shovel

[rapid hedge]

o7

[strange sparrow]

Psword are terrible

Without the blessing

You’re forced to get Pcycler to make it fun

[tender pasture]

brutal momentum 1 isn't that hard to get

[strange sparrow]

Cycler

[tender pasture]

and it will casually put it to high tier

[rapid hedge]

D:

[tender pasture]

even without cycler

[rapid hedge]

oh:D

[trim hemlock]

Define a “cool” Zealot weapon

[wanton dawn]

Wounds

[burnt raven]

knife]

[mystic owl]

Maul

[wintry bay]

i still chuckle with pswords, so many vets didnt know how to melee when it got put in line and review bombed the game

[stone adder]

the big chainsword(i don't know the name i'm sorry)

[gusty bison]

Dclaw, psword, shovel, combat axe

[tender pasture]

feel like this is more of a veteran thing these days

too many martyrdom vets

[gusty bison]

All of those are really solid

[rapid hedge]

Vets need to be able to double wield shovels

[trim hemlock]

That’s the Eviscerator.

Veteran has baby version of the Eviscerator, I.e., regular chainsword, but it’s definitely not as cool as the real deal. Vets generally have somewhat boring weapons, but the power swords can be good with proper blessing setups, and then it’s mostly conventional weapons.

[gusty bison]

S h o v e l

[umbral scaffold]

Veteran is a different playstyle from zealot so going from zealot to vet will be a bit jarring but remember you’re a slower more backline class than zealot

[gusty bison]

U get to pick someone in the face

[trim hemlock]

Is shovel a conventional weapon, I wonder

[barren cave]

I discovered XV eviscerator on my zealot and ive basically never used another melee weapon on him since

[rapid hedge]

also is Skirmisher better than Trench figher drill ?

[trim hemlock]

Or is it a thunder hammer in disguise

[stone adder]

now that,
explains a bit

[gusty bison]

No.

[rapid hedge]

wait what

[barren cave]

shovel is the ultimate darktide weapon, latrine shovels are super effective against Nurgle

[burnt raven]

give me scion cosmetics we got the helmet just need the rest of it

[gusty bison]

Trench is one of our best talents. Skirmisher is among our worst

[wintry bay]

@trim hemlock "vets generally have somewhat boring weapons" Brother we have shovel, chainsword, powersword, helbore, plasma, and the shredder spam bellcurve

[wanton dawn]

Skirmisher uptime is too hard to maintain

[rapid hedge]

10% melee speed is better than 5% base damage boost at 5 stacks from constantly sprinting around ??

oh

makes sense

[wintry bay]

current record is 49 nades thrown in a 26 minute mission

[gusty bison]

The uptime isnt that great cos sprinting means u arent attacking

And its 1s of sprinting for 1 stack

[rapid hedge]

trueee but does 10% melee speed really make a difference o_e?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[gusty bison]

... yes

[trim hemlock]

I’ve lived, sifted and drifted across the Vet as a class for hundreds or hours, I know all too well. Thats why it’s all so boring

[barren cave]

yeah 10% melee speed is goated

[umbral scaffold]

Vet has a much bigger ranged weapon focus but you need to get really good at hybrid style combat to be survivable. Also make sure your buds aren’t queued you up for malice or higher at level 1 lol

[gusty bison]

Its literally one of our best talents

[rapid hedge]

oh ok , am just dumb then xD

will try it out o7

[wanton dawn]

Not useful for bayonet build though

Doesnt apply

[barren cave]

you'l notice the difference sooner rather than later on your melee weapons

[gusty bison]

Literally trench fighter, desperado, reciprocity and precision strikes are what make melee vet so fucking good

[wintry bay]

if you dont like melee just mk1-2 helbore, it has a built in knife primary

[rapid hedge]

wait does the perk damage apply for bayonet? ALSO guys would DEADSHOT ( +25% crit chance ) work on bayonets cause its the secondary fire for the helbore 😮

[gusty bison]

Those 4 talents make vet as good in melee as zealot (just more squishy)

[stone adder]

i see, power sword looks funky, i guess i'll try to get to it, a goal i guess

[rapid hedge]

that would be nuts

[gusty bison]

Deadshot doesnt work on bayo

Agile engagement does

[rapid hedge]

DAMNIT

[wintry bay]

gone entire damnation matches without using my melee with helbore,shredder spam builds

[wanton dawn]

Yes. No.

Bm applies to it though

Which is fun

[gusty bison]

Wheeee

Spin 2 win

[rapid hedge]

wait what BM applies to bayo? how tf does that work

[wanton dawn]

Take melee weapon with bm. It applies to bayo

[umbral scaffold]

Its melee, bm is a melee perk, Fatshark spaghetti code

[rapid hedge]

ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t think it’s intentional because helbore would be one of the only weapons to benefit from 3 different blessings

[wanton dawn]

It is a bug but they let it live for now

[rapid hedge]

what about rending strikes? if this keeps up why bother using anything other than bayo LUL

[stone adder]

the diesel code is getting to them

[wanton dawn]

While they killed limbsplitter

[umbral scaffold]

Yep anything melee related applies to your bayonet

Which makes sense but it’s also why you’ll see people say that they havent used melee with bayonets

[rapid hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-26209389

[umbral scaffold]

Because they’re not exaggerating it really is filthy strong

[wanton dawn]

Funny bayo #veteran-class message

[strange sparrow]

Bayo is filthy strong and it’s attack speed is down right dirty

[gusty bison]

Thats the joke

Helbore is a S tier gun with a S+ tier melee welded to it

Lmao

[wanton dawn]

Hellbore is A tier gun

[rapid hedge]

aite imma remove the +25 thoughness and go for exploit weakness for muh bayo

[gusty bison]

S

:P

[wanton dawn]

S tier is for popular weapon

[rapid hedge]

no its B tier bois ( keep it that way so FS doesnt nerf it:D)

[gusty bison]

Nah. A gun can be amazing good and still not that popular

Its just not braindead easy

Doesnt make it bad

[rapid hedge]

B tier = Bayonet Tier B)

[wanton dawn]

Hellbore has a gun is outclassed by plasma and revolver

[gusty bison]

Its not though

[wanton dawn]

It is really

[umbral scaffold]

Helbore has a high skill ceiling to use properly but it’s good except for having to cock it every time you whip it out

[rapid hedge]

ye thats the one thing , the cocking

THE COCKING

[umbral scaffold]

Helbore vs plasma is debatable I don’t think it’s better than revolver tho

[gusty bison]

Helbore has the same TTK vs most targets as volver, better stability than volver, better ammo efficiency than both, much MUCH better shooter clear

[trim hemlock]

EW is a good skill, but I don’t think I would ever go out of my way to take it in place of the 25 toughness mode just to have an additional brittleness-applying effect

[rapid hedge]

My helbor never runs out of ammo tho.... my revolver on the other hand... xD

[gusty bison]

The only two things that revolver beats helbore at ttk are crusher and reaper

[rapid hedge]

o7

[wanton dawn]

Hb lacks cleave, bad hipfire, bad switch, novtarget pen

[umbral scaffold]

Revolver you can pull out instantly and put multiple shots on target, with better realistic sights on the revolver

[strange sparrow]

HellBore is really difficult to play well

[signal mango]

Are these Redacted Penances still achievable? Do you need to do anything wierd like 'empty tree' or something?

1. Make Every Shot Count
2. On Overwatch

[gusty bison]

Helbore has cleave

Switch is irrelevant

[rapid hedge]

wait what

[wanton dawn]

You compare to revolver and plasma

[signal mango]

shoot it. SHOOT IT!

[gusty bison]

Yes it does

[wanton dawn]

Also bad suppression and bad stagger

[gusty bison]

HB u dont need to pull out cos u already have it in ur hand

[rapid hedge]

u mean on the bayo or bullet pen?

[gusty bison]

Lol what

Helbore is basically suppression and stagger immune

[wanton dawn]

Again, you compare to revolver and plasma

[gusty bison]

Revolver has worse sup and stagger

[haughty pond]

they are on our side tho

right?

[wanton dawn]

Applied to target...

[umbral scaffold]

Yea fair enough I have a habit of using my melee even with a mk2 helbore

[gusty bison]

This is a downside though....

[strange sparrow]

HellBore is definitely not the best, but it hold a larp place in my heart

[umbral scaffold]

Even tho the bayo is too good to ignore

[gusty bison]

Suppression on target is bad for 1 tap precision weapons

[strange sparrow]

It’s Bayonet

[signal mango]

I see glowing, yellow eyes in PowerOutage; I'm gonna shoot it.

[strange sparrow]

So spammy and painful

[gusty bison]

U want as little suppression and stagger as possible

So thats a strike against volver and plasma

[haughty pond]

you're supposed to shoot the green ones

[wanton dawn]

Thats... debatable but again, i prefer not to get shot at

[gusty bison]

Its a helbore

It doesnt care

[wanton dawn]

If it is a shotgunner i do

[gusty bison]

... its a shotgunner