veteran-class

[lucid notch]

Hotshot Volley guns

[crisp rapids]

balance plasma , bring back HP dmg on it;

[upper scarab]

It would be nice if normal lasguns could go full auto aswell

[mortal shore]

The feelings that receiving one of those in game would elicit in me are not appropriate for expression in public spaces.

[frozen meadow]

I just use mod for full auto

Very good for the fast firing ones

Rip console though

[limber egret]

i mean theres the recon lasguns

[lucid notch]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-saturday-night-live-yep-yup-yes-gif-2871158352032044666

[limber egret]

but those are supposely very bad

like how bad are the recon lasguns in game right now?

[lucid notch]

MEH

Recon to me is Meh

[frozen meadow]

Recon lasguns feel fun but not too great

[upper scarab]

Yea that mod was fun till I forgot about it and used a plasma

[frozen meadow]

Good with infernus

I have had fun with my shotgun and now back to lasgun town

[mortal shore]

Still putting together a shotgun for my weapon specialist setup.

[frozen meadow]

I need to get better with bolter too

[mortal shore]

Currently trying out blessings for the fire-spitting one, forget the name.

[lucid notch]

Kantrell?

[mortal shore]

Yah.

Sounds right.

[upper scarab]

Yea but they mention in books and in the tabletop game that they can go full auto

[limber egret]

heres mine for example

[gray anvil]

Not terriable in my experience but need a really spesfic build to prosper and on vet mainly rending brittlesness and supression

[limber egret]

for a meme build i have

[frozen meadow]

Punishing salvo is useless on that

[limber egret]

i dont have any other better ones i think

the blessings i mean

[frozen meadow]

Fair

[gray anvil]

And tbh even then your better of useing an autogun for what you get outta it

[lucid notch]

wheres my Gernade Launcher for vet 😦

[frozen meadow]

It's just fun to mow down hordes with recon lasguns tbh

Good power fantasy

[gray anvil]

The lack of supression on the recon is urs biggest flaw imo

[limber egret]

is supression that good to have?

[gray anvil]

You wont stagger and the enemy dosent care that your melting them so you take hella dmg trying to clear gunners

[frozen meadow]

They have made the game easy enough imo that you can run basically anything and be fine on the hard difficultiew

[limber egret]

oh Oof

[gray anvil]

Yes it reduces enemy accuracy and make them duck for cover

[limber egret]

oh so its worth having

[gray anvil]

Having none means that gunner thats beaming you wont stop until its dead

[upper scarab]

I wish that one rending perk was not moved from the top left of the tree to the bottom right it was pretty good for the recon

[limber egret]

also heres my standard lasgun

[green sage]

Wish we had a hellgun weapon

[frozen meadow]

Onslaught is very fun on recon yeh

What is a hell gun

[gray anvil]

Yeah like as an orgryn half of my shots arent really ment to hit shit just make them get down so i can advance

[torn root]

bro.... how rare are t4 blessings man....

[gray anvil]

Vet not as important but still very valuable

[limber egret]

also something funny

[green sage]

IG Storm Trooper's weapon of choice. The cheaper variant of the hotshot lasgun. They are what the Scab Gunners use.

[gray anvil]

And the recond lasgun just dosnet do any supression

[limber egret]

so heres this bolter i have

which i also like to ask real quick

[frozen meadow]

Ah that would be cool, I don't know much about 40k lore tbf but sounds like a fun weapon. I mainly just want a heavy punchy bolt action sniper

[limber egret]

adding brittleness stacks worth it?

[torn root]

yes

[limber egret]

since what i have on bolter for example or just in general?

[gray anvil]

Yeah more dmg for the whole team

[green sage]

I also want a Power Fist

[torn root]

2 stacks is 10%

[frozen meadow]

Are power fists just electric knuckledusters?

[torn root]

each shot makes enemy take 10% more roughly, it doesnt fall off as far as ive noticed

[limber egret]

wait so at max brittleness stacks

enemy takes 10% more damage?

[gray anvil]

Think thunder hammer for hands

[torn root]

no

[frozen meadow]

That would be cool on ogryn

[green sage]

https://tenor.com/view/acces-denied-no-nope-nah-headshot-gif-10481869666719359459

[torn root]

1st shot is 10%

2nd is 20%

[frozen meadow]

I want to punch people as ogryn

[torn root]

etc

[green sage]

Commissars and IG officers can wear Power Fists

[torn root]

each shot keeps increasing the damage you do, and with the bolter you can get cavalcade or pinning fire, makes it do a crap ton of damage via stun or crit

[frozen meadow]

Devs have been not bad at releasing content recently, I think in a couple of months we will get some new weapons

[lucid notch]

oh no they have been releasing amazing... this is just some Nerdy requests/fan boying over fav weapons and stuff xD

[muted gorge]

dont do that, dont give me hope

[hybrid torrent]

Brittleness only increases damage against Flak, Carapace, Unyielding, and Maniac targets. No effect on Unarmored or Infested enemies.

[torn root]

useless info seeing as those would die anyway with out needed increases

[gray anvil]

I nean usually those enimes are dead before it matters lol

[torn root]

dont need to make squishy enemies squishier

[craggy relic]

Any good builds for the new chainsword for crowd control?

[torn root]

obviously for resistant enemies

[hybrid torrent]

Kinda helpful against bosses, but that's about it

[limber egret]

ok hold up

[torn root]

and it actually increases damage based on the multiplier your weapons have against enemiy and armour types

[limber egret]

a clip i was gonna show is like 10 FPS for some reason

[torn root]

if we want to get technical

[gray anvil]

I need to mess with the hellbore since ir seems they got a big buff since the last time i played

[hybrid torrent]

Bayonet melee build with helbores is stupid funny. Just need a p sword or axe with brutal momentum to make it worthwhile.

[gray anvil]

Tbh a powersword is my next up on rolling because i need one to go with my revolver vet

[tall torrent]

Combat axe works best in my experience with helbore

[green sage]

I thought they patched the bayonet fun thing out.

[tall torrent]

Faster ready-up after draw

Handles carapace well enough

And has decent dodges (which helbore does not have)

[green sage]

Do melee weapon blessings still affect bayonets after all?

[finite imp]

Why you babysitting only two of them shots lemme show you how to turn it up a notch

[hybrid torrent]

But I like pretending like I'm Obi Wan Kenobi with a powersword.

[finite imp]

First you get a swimming pool full of liquor then you dive in

[limber egret]

ok nevermind thing im using for clips is messing up

[hybrid torrent]

BM still works on bayonet, it's just limbsplitter's bugged interaction that got fixed

I believe

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum does
Not sure abt the others

Brutal momentum is all u care abt

[tall torrent]

They patched limbsplitter

[hybrid torrent]

I tested earlier in psykarnium and I headshotted 3 scab bruisers with bayonet with a psword w BM

[gray anvil]

Tbh as vet i love the two build i have either anti armor or anti gunner and both work well and i can always have a good place to plag in a team

I kinda struugle with that on the other classes

[finite imp]

Wake up
Drank
Sit up drank

[green sage]

@hybrid torrent @tall torrent thank you

[hybrid torrent]

Best antigunner setup as a zealot is TWBS while dodge sliding with a MK VI/X heavy sword.

[tall torrent]

Helbore2 + Rashad axe
If u wanna try

[gray anvil]

Tbh i just have the really fast fire rate lasgun to help pick off gunners when i dont feel safe approaching

Or throw knife

I guess i di t have that problem as much as zelot

[green sage]

Interesting. I'll give it a try. Thanks.

[gray anvil]

Psker and ogryn are where i tend to feel bogged dpwn in ranged or in melee respectively

[hybrid torrent]

Knives are good on zealot. I like how manstopper on shotguns work with throwing knives, too.

Throw a knife through a horde into a trappers face.

[gray anvil]

As a smite psyekr habing your team focused on a horde in front while youre smiting the back line for your life isnt fun

[finite imp]

Should I just call you path instead of numbers cat

[gray anvil]

Same for orgyn but having a firing squad behind a horde youre soloing

[reef cedar]

Hadron loves me

[gray anvil]

Oh thats nice af

[tall torrent]

That’s fine

Either works

Heresy gotta be the biggest mix bag of egos it’s actually incredible

[midnight mortar]

The strangest players were always found there in my experience.

[finite imp]

Why would you ever play heresy

[midnight mortar]

Sometimes they rarely filter into Damnation, but most of the time they stayed in Heresy.

[tall torrent]

6 wound zealot is actually the bane of my existence

[midnight mortar]

🤯

[tall torrent]

I don’t have good gear on my ogryn yet

[finite imp]

Heresy is easily the hardest difficulty because of the players that end up there

[tall torrent]

I think literally every single 6 wound zealot teammate I have end up being complete dogshit

[finite imp]

Damnation chads make damnation feel like t3

[hybrid torrent]

[finite imp]

Matyr builds?

Idk how the femboys operate

[tall torrent]

Just had one game
Teammate 6 wound zealot
Shoots all his IAG ammo on horde till red
Decides that the best way to deal with mass gunners is to directly charge at them (I am shield ogryn, Psyker sucked but ran dome shield)
Gets downed 5 times, barely makes it out to first heal station
Spends half the power-up bridge event fighting horde, didn’t kill a single special/elite
And when I call him out “u gotta learn melee” he calls me dumb and that “why did u think I used all my ammo at the very start”

[flint garden]

[tall torrent]

Idk bruh why did u use all ur ammo at the very start lolol

[tall torrent]

Idk, actually can’t tell

[hybrid torrent]

spend all ammo and be force to use melee weapon. Got it.

[tall torrent]

Even if he was martyrdom build I don’t think the correct way to play that is to have 5 wounds of corruption in order to be effective

[flint garden]

though running at gunners with chastise is optimal

[tall torrent]

There’s not even a penance that asks zealot to empty ranged weapon

[tall torrent]

Running at 6 gunners in 6 separate locations with chastise is less optimal

It’s not like the gunners were grouped up

[serene sage]

wut

[vernal harbor]

Vraks III, what is the vet council's opinion

[flint garden]

okay not as useful when theyre spread out and not in immediate bonking distance

[tall torrent]

Very hard to roll for but can be very good

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/stressed-ed-harris-gene-kranz-apollo13-anxious-gif-17242751

[hybrid torrent]

The right setup can fuq bosses real good

[vernal harbor]

very well

[wise fossil]

I should buy a lottery ticket. First try with some random garbage green

[vernal harbor]

my roll is absoloute shit so ill wait

[lofty slate]

Has all the weak spot blessings doesn't it?

[frank ether]

lmao

[tall torrent]

Heresy isn’t the hardest
Heresy is the most frustrating

[hybrid torrent]

Just try to get a Vraks III with headhunter and deadly accurate IV.

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/killua-gif-9351923

would ignite your skin being that close to it

[lofty slate]

Hey, question.
What're the best weapons for a ranged crit build anyways?

[tall torrent]

Depends on what exactly is that crit build

[vernal harbor]

i am alone in this but i support the XII and Las Heavy X

my vet associates would kill me for this

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/right-to-jail-jail-parks-and-rec-right-away-fred-armisen-gif-16039907319194806297

[vernal harbor]

the helbore is GARBAGE AND YOU CAN KILL ME FOR IT

[south garnet]

A crit build with the 12? Lock this guy up and throw away the key

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-take-away-gif-19932579

[hybrid torrent]

New laspistol variant can one tap Dreg gunners with a left side tree build. You will also never run out of ammo.

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-norman-osborn-surprised-you-cant-do-this-to-me-gif-24182893

[tall torrent]

Las weapons in general are crit orientated
Infantry lasguns with headhunter (blessing)
Helbore lasguns with surgical (blessing)
Heavy laspistols with deadshot (talent)
Recon lasguns with headhunter (blessing)

Headhunter autoguns are also crit orientated

Bolter, is kind of crit orientated

[south garnet]

Revolvers too

[tall torrent]

Revolver is very heavily crit orientated

[versed merlin]

recon lasguns

[lofty slate]

Personally I find that old fashioned bullets do much better weak spot damage

[midnight mortar]

Dead oriented.

[tall torrent]

U gotta try a good HB1 / HB2

[strange sparrow]

I disagree because Revolver already kill stuff without crit isnt it

[lofty slate]

When they hit, that is

[south garnet]

Me I like myself a shit sucking oriented weapon

[tall torrent]

It needs crit for best breakpoints

Without crit I think it doesn’t even one tap Dreg gunners in the head?

[versed merlin]

kantrael and agri shottys are now my official favorite ranged weapons

[tall torrent]

But you build it for crit 100% the time so it’s not that big of a deal

[south garnet]

Bayonet on hel 1 is just wacky

[lofty slate]

I can't really go for anything that involves full auto as hit registration is a big problem for me

[south garnet]

Good gun too, but that bayo is one wacky piece of hardware

[mortal shore]

What blessings do you run on them?

[tall torrent]

Based kantrael shotgun user

[vernal harbor]

I’ll be straight up I dislike the hel bore because I dislike the krieg vets who exclusively run with it and miss 90% of their shots

[versed merlin]

full bore and no respite for agri, no respite death spitter for kantrael

[south garnet]

Kantrael is fun with flechette, bleed combined with burn on crit specials

[vernal harbor]

I run the 12 because if I miss I can correct quickly with another shot and I know I will miss too often for a charged helbore shot

[versed merlin]

i prefer big damaj

[tall torrent]

HB skill differential between good and bad is night and day so I get that, but u should try to get your hands on a good mk1 / mk2, it’ll completely change how you view veteran as a class

[south garnet]

I prefer the agri shotty overall

[versed merlin]

same

i only run kantrael on zealot tbh and it fucking blasts

[south garnet]

Gets me rock hard every time

[vernal harbor]

I’ve seen good HB players literally slide under a crusher and blow their brains out their ass in one shot

I know it’s a nuke when in the right hands I just don’t believe my hands are right yet

[tall torrent]

I run scattershot + flechette on kantrael mk9 shotgun

[tall torrent]

U don’t need to do that often

[serene sage]

I should really make a compilation of those

[south garnet]

Good helbore use makes auric maels look and feel like slow and controlled exterminations

[versed merlin]

[tall torrent]

A good HB user on ur team makes the game so much smoother it’s incredible

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-gif-24766590

I love these

Especially when you beat the stealth vet to it

[versed merlin]

i cant understand how a person can unironically like helbore with all respect

[tall torrent]

Accurately remove any ranged threat
Never run out of ammo (actually never)
Takes shots at everything
Charges into melee with bayonet and actually kills everything

[vernal harbor]

It’s like the final phase of vet

[versed merlin]

i feel the same

[vernal harbor]

(If you run plasma I think Dan abnett should beat you without consequences)

[south garnet]

It works and works well within its niche. That's basically the only reason ha

[versed merlin]

i feel offended

i just said that shottys are my favorite weapons

[lofty slate]

It's alright with that weapon swap build

[vernal harbor]

It’s a very niche gun and if you have two people running it it’s useless

4 vets with helbores id quit and I never quit lmao

[tall torrent]

There’re like 5 stages of veteran
Stage 1 - infantry lasguns are cool
Stage 2 - plasma/revolver is the way
Stage 3 - autoguns are based
Stage 4 - helbore is peak
Stage 5 - funny crusher 1 shot

[south garnet]

Helbore is one of like five vet weapons meant to actually spend 3/4 of the match in your hands

[vernal harbor]

Stage 3 at 500 hours

[lofty slate]

Does the helbore have a good crit rate?

[tall torrent]

With surgical, yes

Surgical 4 builds 10% crit chance for every 0.3s u stay in ADS

[versed merlin]

no mention of shottys

[south garnet]

You can take surgical or deadshot, it's as critty as you want it to be

[tall torrent]

If you’re taking your time to aim accurate headshots, you’ll get a lot of crits

[lofty slate]

Hmmm, that kinda fights my aiming perk

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/tropic-thunder-lead-farmer-toma-gif-13338086266538096057

[versed merlin]

just play on xbox

[south garnet]

I have my agri build set up and ready to go, no shade to shotties

[versed merlin]

and you dont have to aim for hs

but you will still land hs

[vernal harbor]

genuine question for shotty vets, what do you do

[versed merlin]

you hit like a revolver

[south garnet]

Blast

[tall torrent]

Shotguns on veterans are still kind of niche

[vernal harbor]

counter to shotguns why not agri

hell

why not the revolver atp

[tall torrent]

You don’t take a shotgun because you think they’re the best
You take a shotgun because your build needs it / you want to be different

[vernal harbor]

quickdraw even

[versed merlin]

cause revolver has way too low ammo

[hybrid torrent]

I'd like to try a lobby with 4 helbore vets. Pretend your trench raiding with your fixed bayonets.

[versed merlin]

i dont like the 5 ammunition

its not enough for auric maelstrom for me

[vernal harbor]

shotty got like a sniff and a sneeze of ammo

[versed merlin]

it reloads much faster and it still one shots every special

[south garnet]

Revolver has low mag count, shotty also has flexibility in fire mode and thus variable application

[versed merlin]

on vet i only play with agri

[tall torrent]

Just don’t play 4 helbore3s, that sounds horrible

[versed merlin]

and i can one shot pretty much every ranged elite and special with the slug

[south garnet]

It can be simple to use but benefits high familiarity well

[vernal harbor]

krieg vets

[versed merlin]

and i dont even have flakiac on my perks

[south garnet]

Plus the choke on the agris normal shots is still just insane

[muted knot]

The problem is that shotguns take forever to reload

[vernal harbor]

someone make a squidward 'feeling daring today sir' meme for krieg and armageddon vets

[craggy relic]

fellas anyone one got a good blessing combo for the chainsword? I wanna use the new one

[vernal harbor]

i need them slandered

[tall torrent]

Feel like you have to run at least one of the reload talents

[south garnet]

Point in a direction, whatevers standing there sits down

[tall torrent]

I use the 20% tac reload one

[versed merlin]

yeah, you do specially if you want to make use of the slug

[south garnet]

Left keystone is actually insane with agri shotty lil

[versed merlin]

nah, take the one under longshot

30% on elite/special kill

[iron marten]

No laspistol stage, i cri

[vernal harbor]

colum V vets :

[versed merlin]

can 2 shot a crusher with a few stacks too

[agile oracle]

what is the best meta veteran build? or is it more just whatever you want

[south garnet]

Idk this looks like agri brauto footage to me

[versed merlin]

plasma gun/ power sword

[vernal harbor]

the META is plasma and power sword PC4

[strange sparrow]

Psword and Plasma

[versed merlin]

but dont be that guy

[vernal harbor]

very fair

[versed merlin]

reject the meta

become a based player

[strange sparrow]

Be the MetaSlave

[south garnet]

Embrace shovel

[strange sparrow]

Winning is gamin

[tall torrent]

Rough sketch, can’t put everything in there

[vernal harbor]

vets who play what they want :

[iron marten]

Be a metaslave temporarily so you can male funny builds. Wins = Plasteel!

[tall torrent]

For Agripinaa shotgun longshot -> volley adept is better
For Kantrael shotgun vanguard -> tac reload is better

[craggy relic]

fuck yea

[south garnet]

Me screaming, crying, pissing and shitting myself when vet gen said I could play anything and I brought autopistol to auric mael

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-insane-gif-21702784

[versed merlin]

makes a lot of sense tbh

[vernal harbor]

i rolled a perfect power sword and have used it for months and im sick of it but can instantly tell the negs of not having it 😦

[iron marten]

Fair fair, I’m currently stage 2, and 5 + laspistol and vraks7

[tall torrent]

It’s almost like parts of the veteran tree are finally coming together

[versed merlin]

indeed

[vernal harbor]

people have literally dropped from lobby when they see i have las pistol and i have no idea why, its such a power house

[versed merlin]

based vraks

vraks are another family that i also cant get my head as to why and how people enjoy it

but i respect nonetheless

[iron marten]

my condolences

[vernal harbor]

like i can envision the knife/pistol vet running through the make CS: GO style in my head and get MAD but cant think of the last time i saw them

[iron marten]

I just think of it as, revolver but more spammy

[versed merlin]

it doesnt penetrate enemies tho

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[wanton dawn]

I drop from lobby when i see three lvl 3X in a nurgle monstro maelstrom with knifes, recon and autopistol

[tall torrent]

I’ve played around with it a bit
It’s definitely good at handling elites at close range, but it takes a bit longer than I’d like to for killing maniac targets and doesn’t handle mass gunners & shooters nearly as smoothly as the more backline sniper orientated weapons

And laspistol takes way way way too many points to feel great

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/just-shoot-him-kenneth-parcel-30rock-open-fire-on-him-just-kill-him-gif-21967275

he has no right being there

who let him there

[versed merlin]

yeah i feel like laspistol is good and all, but it takes a lot of investment and commitment to actually make it shine. like your whole loadout will have to be min-maxed to make the most out of it

[wanton dawn]

You cant shot me i have diplomatic immunity

[versed merlin]

probably one of the very few wepaons that takes the most out of markasman stacks

[iron marten]

Ye, but having 21 bullets with the potential to do like 1.4k damage on a headshot crit is pretty funny

[vernal harbor]

i played a match last night of maelstrom melee/scab only with no ammo drops and it was heroic

[iron marten]

Crusher not included*

[tall torrent]

Like, if you want to make the most out of your laspistol, your tree probably looks like this

And that’s a massive 7 point investment

[iron marten]

My tree doesn’t look like that lmao

[vernal harbor]

somethings getting domed

[tall torrent]

You can get away with a few of these

[rigid schooner]

does the chainsword's charged block attack do anything notable? it seems to stay in an enemy for much longer

[tall torrent]

But if you want to make laspistol the best it can be it needs a lot of point investment

[versed merlin]

im just memeing

[wanton dawn]

You missed 2

[tall torrent]

Yea exactly like, that looks so cursed to me

[vernal harbor]

i use the 25% quick swap for las pistol for most of my damage since its a quickdraw headshot and back to melee most times

[versed merlin]

but this would be unironically good for laspistol

[vernal harbor]

las pistol is for business only

holster it

draw when something needs handling.

[south garnet]

What the hell is that left subbode again, I never take it

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/revolver-ocelot-gaming-mgs-guns-gif-17353618

[tall torrent]

My issue isn’t that the laspistol is bad or what not (it’s pretty good in its intended role)
It’s that I can’t grab all the extra stuff I usually can afford with it

[versed merlin]

10% rending at 10 stacks

[tall torrent]

Honestly just grab 10% rending in middle tree

[idle carbon]

what people should be taking is 15 stacks rather than camo

[south garnet]

Ah thanks, now I remember why lmao

[vernal harbor]

focus is something i just have to trust the person using it because i have no idea why youd take it

[versed merlin]

i would if i had points to spare

[vernal harbor]

i did a toughness medic build for vet and used the focus toguhness regen thing and my god, standing still in the middle of a battle with 15 stacks like

https://tenor.com/view/gus-gus-fring-finger-twitch-breaking-bad-gif-26288148

[serene sage]

Kerbal Canine Space Program

[tall torrent]

Drop suppression immunity
Drop marksman
Drop keystone rending

[iron marten]

yeah I don't rely on laspistol for crushers, I just go straight melee with a psword/rashad axe

[south garnet]

I'm loving the new chaxe

Using it on everything atm

[tall torrent]

Laspistol + power sword is a very strong combo tho
Handles basically every threat in the game very fast & efficiently

One of my personal fav builds

[iron marten]

ye, very

[vernal harbor]

but you ever parry two crusher at once with a sword

[tall torrent]

Right next to HB2 + rashad

[vernal harbor]

thats toughness you cant spec into.

[tall torrent]

Also liking mk12 chainaxe + kantrael shotgun

[vernal harbor]

im gonna share my knife

and i want ONLY good comments

[iron marten]

can't guarantee that!

[south garnet]

Trash

Oh it's not up yet

[vernal harbor]

now listen

[south garnet]

Trash

[vernal harbor]

it has ap-

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-leaving-lebron-james-lebron-nba-leaving-gif-11949655

[tall torrent]

My positive comment:
You’re a god for making it work

[versed merlin]

[vernal harbor]

who said i make it work

[versed merlin]

jk i dont know what to say cuz i dont play knife

[vernal harbor]

it does what it does tho

[versed merlin]

never tried it

[tall torrent]

Oh nvm

[vernal harbor]

i use the bleed talent with it

it does that

reALLY WELL

is it useful or viable? idk

but on god, everything is spraying blood

[versed merlin]

tell me you use smoke nades without telling me you use smoke nades

[south garnet]

New chaxe with bloodletter gives 16 stacks by even touching with a special...

[vernal harbor]

i watched a plague ogryn leaking 1/4 a health bar in like 5 seconds with no one touching it

[versed merlin]

action_johnny build is what i use for reference for laspistol, still, im not sure i would try this. althought it does makes me think that this is just a helbore but better because of the mobility and quick draw

https://youtu.be/H8RAuaHMmSw?si=a8GOthxXriik-1ug&t=632

[terse idol]

You do t need to stand stiiilll

[versed merlin]

which las? kantrael or the old one? i tried this with weap spec setup with the old one, didnt go very well because i felt like it takes too damn long to kill a ranged elite, even with the ranged atk speed buff

[terse idol]

All you need is camouflage, and then you play marksmens focus like you play regular exe

Hell even I got stuck on that

Because you focus so hard on the CANT MOVE

That you forget you can get max stacks in less than 3 seconds by just getting headshots

And then maintain them

[versed merlin]

i did this, until someone here told me they would kick me if they saw my build in a auric maelstrom lobby

[terse idol]

Destroy them

[iron marten]

lmao

[vernal harbor]

but yall aint ready to hear it

[terse idol]

Voc

[vernal harbor]

has the vet hivemind changed their mind on voc

i thought voc users eating good

[versed merlin]

prob not

[terse idol]

But valid grenadier loadout

[vernal harbor]

its the best option!

[terse idol]

They sre

I mean

[tall torrent]

I use mk2

[terse idol]

infil

[strange sparrow]

Where's the damage Exec Stance

https://tenor.com/view/sadgecry-sadge-cry-gif-18423674

[bitter turtle]

does covering fire work on nades

[vernal harbor]

no

[strange sparrow]

I have it like 90% uptime but my damage

Why is it so shit compared to plasma user

[bitter turtle]

wow

what an even more useless talent

[vernal harbor]

but this does

[versed merlin]

prob because plasma has cleave

and it cleaves through hordes

[terse idol]

penetration

[versed merlin]

yeah

[bitter turtle]

also

[versed merlin]

not cleave, penetration

[terse idol]

It's technically not cleave

[strange sparrow]

First time I do less damage than plasma vet

Im fumin

[bitter turtle]

its funny how good v7 is in mostly-ranged condition lobbies

real power trip

[terse idol]

Okay I got it

You're doing less

Because

Pgun overkill

😌

where EXE doesn't

[bitter turtle]

im pretty sure overkill gets subtracted already from dmg dealt

[terse idol]

damn

[bitter turtle]

otherwise it would make no sense on the boards you have more overkill than dmg dealt

which happens yes

with bayonet

lul

[terse idol]

😌

[bitter turtle]

at least when limb was bugged

[strange sparrow]

How does this work btw

[bitter turtle]

you have 10 stacks

you get 10% rending

[vernal harbor]

^

[bitter turtle]

you have no 10 stacks

you get nothing

[serene sage]

[terse idol]

that's pretty goooood

[bitter turtle]

dont show that to the "frags do no damage" crowd

[strange sparrow]

I mean, Im using Markman's Man Focus and just shooting garbage in the head for stacks

It's pretty easy to get 10 stack somehow

[bitter turtle]

it is easy

[terse idol]

People are allergic to Shredders, but I think they're better than Krak

[bitter turtle]

honestly

the 10% rending is ok

just not amazing

[strange sparrow]

and my only way to get enough Toughness Regen

[terse idol]

that's the point

[terse idol]

er

That's the pooint

People overthink it though

CAN'T STAND STILL

[bitter turtle]

ppl do that in general to left tree

they prob just cant aim

unironically

[strange sparrow]

I mean there's other skill that give better value than keystone

[versed merlin]

prob doesnt know that you only lose 1 stack when you walk

instead of all stacks

[serene sage]

do people say that

[versed merlin]

i've seen quite a few

[strange sparrow]

Im only taking this keystone for this specific modifier

[versed merlin]

there's one person here who keep posting their good scores in auric maelstrom runs that says that

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

happened yesterday even

or further than yesterday

[serene sage]

truly

[unique sorrel]

frag fuse is pretty long

[bitter turtle]

my sense of time has been distorted by christmas

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-grenades-peter-familyguy-family-gif-9926709

[serene sage]

2 frag kills all kinda of gunners

3 frag kills everything but carapace

[strange sparrow]

I mean

Why are you using grenade to kill gunners

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-anime-warm-sousou-no-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey’s-end-gif-10978754497646408177

[iron marten]

you only need two to kill a rager horde!

[vernal harbor]

wish i was recording when a twin shredder proc got me over 20 gunner kills in a single second on auric maelstrom

[serene sage]

link this when they come, i want to be famous 😳

[bitter turtle]

lol

[strange sparrow]

Tbh, I wouldn't take Marksman Focus Keystone if Im not running Exec Stances

I really need that extra toughness regen

[bitter turtle]

is tunnel vision

the talent you're taking

si that just toughness regen

[strange sparrow]

Yea

[bitter turtle]

if so that is utterly worthless

im not sure tho

since its like

nobody takes it

cause those "toughness regen" type stats only give it to your base toughness regen in coherency

not to your replenish on kills or other bonuses

idk tho

nobody takes it so i dont know anything about it

[crisp bronze]

2 frags clears everything in the room except armor. And when most people have either a PS, Plasma, Revolver, or even a Columnus with onslaught or the new shovels I just find shredders better than kraks. At least for most of my builds.

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/stressed-ed-harris-gene-kranz-apollo13-anxious-gif-17242751

someone verify

[strange sparrow]

It's called Toughness Replenishment, and it feel more optimal with Exec Stance

[vernal harbor]

dont tell me thi

god please someone call them wrong

[bitter turtle]

ya that's why i dont know

if its just

the same as "toughness regeneration speed" on curios

or if its just fatshark bamboozling with "muh different keywords so people dont minmax :^)"

[tall torrent]

Just watched it, seems like mk10 laspistol is literal hell for breakpoints lol

Might be as bad as HB2 for breakpoint testing

[versed merlin]

wait hb2 is hard to hit breakpoints?

[waxen glen]

Is it okay to ask in here which of two power swords are better to use?

[bitter turtle]

mk6

[versed merlin]

its the only good hb i have 🥹

[bitter turtle]

has better light moveset

and heavy/light do same dmg when powered

[tall torrent]

HB2 absolutely must have unarmored perk for Dreg gunner 1 tap headshot

[waxen glen]

I meant comparing these two

[bitter turtle]

those are both mk3

oh

[tall torrent]

Most optimal is unarmored + maniac/weakpoint

[bitter turtle]

right

[unique sorrel]

PC4 on the right is money

[bitter turtle]

change rampage to Brutal Momentum

[strange sparrow]

LETS GOOO

20th PSWORD IN AND PCYCLER

[tall torrent]

Congrats

[bitter turtle]

honeslty

that's a pretty usable psword anyway

[waxen glen]

So its the VI that people want?, wants the reason?

[bitter turtle]

cleave targets is not as important once you get bromentum

[bitter turtle]

i said it earlier

[bitter turtle]

here

[waxen glen]

Ohhh

Okay, thank you

I'll run with mk3 for a bit

[bitter turtle]

yeah they did a weird change back a while ago where heavy/light now do same dmg

which made mk3 worse

[strange sparrow]

Dont worry, it only serve as extraction

[bitter turtle]

do you have a better one already prepared

[strange sparrow]

Not like I have a stack of Psword

that have 370+

[bitter turtle]

cause you can just changed to unarmored + w/e and pcycler+bromentum

o

lol

nice

[crisp bronze]

Replace the Rampage 3 on the second one with any level of Brutal Momentum. It has higher finesse and BM makes the lower Cleave stats a non issue.

[waxen glen]

Should I get the other Psword for the perk acquisition?

Also.. I'd love to get Brutal Momentum, but it hasn't shown up as a perk for me at all

Of 20 I made, I got the cycler first

[bitter turtle]

wdym by this question

[waxen glen]

Getting the Supercharged perk

[bitter turtle]

oh

yeah i guess

[crisp bronze]

The reason the Mk 6 is considered better in most situations is because it has super good lights for horde clear and it has the push attack into light combo for quick single target. You can and should ignore heavies on the Mk 6.
The Mk 6 also has a built in block cost reduction of 25% so it has a surprising amount of defense for a PS which kinda makes up for it's bad dodges. Dodges are better but the BCR is nice.

[bitter turtle]

supercharge is pretty meh

but

who knows

maybe you'll nee dit someday

[frank ether]

in theory you can get another %10 from marksman keystone and reach %20

but in practice the keystone is hella inconsistent

[bitter turtle]

no that's the one he meant

the one from focus

its OK

emphasis on just OK

you can stack a lot of rending with both and it makes guns bad at carapace actually decent on them but

[frank ether]

you mean the flat %10 node or the %10 from the marksman keystone?

[bitter turtle]

marksman focus one

[frank ether]

oh that

%10 is fine, problem is the condition

considering its ranged only

[bitter turtle]

yeah

i mean its not hard to pop a couple of things whiel standing still to activate camo stacks to get to 10 and then turning to a crusher

at least for v7

but its still clunky

[terse shell]

brutal momentum iv, rampage iv, I got pretty much every iv for psword except power cycler iv lmao

[bitter turtle]

and even in those cases its only really good if you're picking them off when afar

if they're up in your face you need more immediate answers

that's why i say only "ok" lul

[frank ether]

See what they could do is

they could either give us %10 flat rending there for ranged

or give %1-1.5 rending per stack

so that its not this end all be all bs that we currently have

[bitter turtle]

i think you mean all or nothing

but ya th at would be way better

if they want to make it work with the stacking mechanic

[quaint veldt]

veteran still plays weird for me, i cant find the right weapon

[bitter turtle]

what kind of playstyle do you want

melee or ranged heavy? single shot or automatic? etc

[strange sparrow]

Try this.

You dont even need a good one.

[quaint veldt]

hmmmm

[quaint veldt]

I wonder which melle weapons i should try

[strange sparrow]

I play Grey Columnus Mk V into Auric Mael (Currently highest difficult available), it's really really optimal

[quaint veldt]

i have pretty good powersword but the charging all the time sucks a little

[bitter turtle]

could always tr ythe new shovels, they are pretty easy to roll for since a lot of blessings are decent on it in different combos

[strange sparrow]

Are you min-maxing kind of dude

or just want to have fun

[quaint veldt]

both

[strange sparrow]

Don't get into Psword grind

I spent 32k Plasteel (20 Psword)

to get Pcycler

[bitter turtle]

as for psword, you have to slide when using the activation

also its basically mandatory to have power cycler blessing

at least III

if not IV

[quaint veldt]

well i got this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/557557908901068820/1188720704720482426/image.png?ex=659b8d6d&is=6589186d&hm=8a728ac2cb1af1881e5e1fbb011eebb81858df15597509e640637299975eb306&

[bitter turtle]

o so you have a good one

you just need to be used to sliding and blocking for activations

[strange sparrow]

That’s a good one

[quaint veldt]

slide huh? i didnt know that

[bitter turtle]

ya

you can slide while doing activation

to maintain decent mobility

[strange sparrow]

You charge -> dodge slide to neutralise the momentum slow

[bitter turtle]

or like i said, if you want a weapon you can just mash the left click button with

try the mk3 shovel with skullcrusher on it

[fervent quiver]

goddammit hadron... wait

HOLY SHIT HANDS

HOLY SHIT SHE HAS HANDS

[strange sparrow]

She still have human meats?

[serene sage]

semi bricked but usable

[fervent quiver]

Imma use it for my weapon specialist buid

[midnight mortar]

Yes. Did you think she was 100% mechanical?

[fervent quiver]

My search history is gonna get even more corrupted

[serene sage]

funnily enough of all the armor type that is considered bad to take on Bolter

infested is the least bad of all

[bitter turtle]

lol

why

i dont use bolter

that sounds funny tho

[serene sage]

at lest you won't feel bad shooting dogs and busters

[bitter turtle]

does it not onetap dogs

[crisp bronze]

Essentially the pros and cons of each Power Sword (when compared to the other) are like this:
•Mk6 pros: better single target, better horde clear, built in Block Cost Reduction.
•Mk6 cons: slow down when powering up, and that's kinda it. IDK I guess it's kinda one note cause you can win the game with 2 combos. If you want complexity it ain't here.
•Mk3 pros: no slow down when powering up.
•Mk3 cons: worse single target, worse horde clear, no Block Cost Reduction. Like the Mk6 there isn't much complexity but if you make mistakes you can get karked up fast.

[serene sage]

bolter has 50% reduction vs infested

for god knows why reason

[bitter turtle]

wow

wtf

lol

[fervent quiver]

fuck

[serene sage]

it's 4 tap body shot 😔

[bitter turtle]

jesus

[serene sage]

2 tap headshot even with crit

[fervent quiver]

The earlier bolter I had was so much better

the problem was that it didn't have surgical 4

[serene sage]

it's balanced now, but a slight buff in draw speed would not make it that much stronger while making people enjoying it a lot more

[strange sparrow]

I was expecting her to have her 25% of her face is still meat

And the rest of the body is just mechanical

I guess they forgot to learn the STC for left arm

[fervent quiver]

time to go to the stupid website and see how much "stuff" there is

[strange sparrow]

Bolter look fun and feel fun

Then it’s not fun to pull out

[crisp bronze]

I honestly think they should buff the dodges on the Mk3 Power Sword because currently they both have terrible dodges but the Mk6 has BCR to make up for it. I think they should lean into the Mk3 being the more mobile PS and buff it's dodges. Not to Combat Knife levels but maybe Devil's Claw or something.

[strange sparrow]

15 rounds and insanely long reload speed

[midnight mortar]

The portions of the body that get replaced with machine vary from Mechanicus to Mechanicus. Some replacements are reserved for high ranking members. Others are standard. Generally the higher rank a member is, the more mechanical they are both inside and out. Some opt to keep particular parts organic though for personal reasons.

[fervent quiver]

Fuck you I'm bringing it out for my weapon specialist boi

[serene sage]

oh boy should I make a bolter compilation like I did the nade one?

[alpine elk]

how cool is this power sword guys

[fervent quiver]

gimme pc 2

[bitter turtle]

slaughterer -> bromentum

[alpine elk]

give me your pc and ill give you pc2

[strange sparrow]

Yep that’s the lore

[crisp bronze]

Finesse is a bit of an oof but it's less important on the Mk3 and the perks are absolutely fine in my opinion. I would change Slaughterer into Brutal Momentum.

[stark saddle]

What to change here

[fossil basalt]

Terrifying Barrage -> Hand Fannon, probably

[muted knot]

Maybe get maniac instead of crit chance

[fossil basalt]

And yeah that

[muted knot]

Or flak ?

I don't know how the breakpoints are

But probably maniac

[versed merlin]

i got a 5 min clutch wasted because i didnt realize i wasted all my stam in deadshot wiping specials around me and couldnt bash a dog jumping on me

im never running deadshot again

[fossil basalt]

Deadshot without both stam delays is rough

[idle carbon]

deadshot was better when dogs were so OP you couldn't push them mid-air lol

[versed merlin]

wait you couldnt do that before?

man that must have been rough

[fossil basalt]

Their hitboxes were too jank

[idle carbon]

it was very, very difficult to do up until a few months ago

[fossil basalt]

Hitting a doge was like rolling a d20 lmao

[versed merlin]

lmao

[fossil basalt]

Could go any way, from you getting instant corruption to the dog entering low orbit

[crisp bronze]

Sweet Emperor thats a gun. First off. Terrifying Barrage into Hand Cannon. And for the perks.... hmmm.... thats a little tougher. I would probably keep the Unyielding. I would test if you can 2 tap Crushers and Maulers. If you can then I would go Reload Speed. If not then I would go Carapace to do that.

[stark saddle]

thanks

[versed merlin]

thats a christimas gift if i've ever seen one

[stark saddle]

its not 4x T4 perks and blessings though

im gonna have one T3 perk unfortunately

all my other gear are 4x T4

[muted knot]

Not really that important

The difference between t3 and t4 blessings is usually not that big

[crisp bronze]

Yeah slap Hand Cannon on it and test in the Psykhanium. If it hits all the 1 tap body and 1 tap head breakpoints for elites and specials and 2 taps Crushers and Maulers Reload Speed makes the most sense in my opinion.

[vivid bolt]

That’s literally fine

You have a god roll revolver 💀

[crisp bronze]

I'm mad that my PS has BM 3 instead of BM 4 because if it did it would be my first 550 weapon. It wouldn't make a difference in performance at all. But nice number make brain happy you know?

[flint garden]

ill trade you my bm4 for that pc4

[versed merlin]

mf flexing his power sword on us

and i cant do anything about it

[flint garden]

flak on zarona should let you 2 tap maulers with only one crit

[serene sage]

https://youtu.be/LVIlltkFNvM
5 minutes of me killing shit with the Bolter

[crisp bronze]

whips out power sword
table is cut in half
back away slowly like a dumbass

[serene sage]

for funsies

[crisp bronze]

What you got on your Bolter?

[serene sage]

it changes overtime but i have tried all combinations of Surgical/Shattering/Pinning Fire

they are all good

just pick 2
my fav right now is Surgical Pinning

[crisp bronze]

Surgical for the precise sniping and Pinning Fire for the occasional Crusher or Monstrosity that gets the full auto up close?

[radiant linden]

💀

[serene sage]

yeah kind, if you like boss killing and carapace, go surgical shattering, it's much better

surgical pinning is for the redunkolous amount of ragers Auric vomits at you

you can hose down mixed horde easier with Pinning

[crisp bronze]

Here's my Bolter. I think I would prefer Shattering over Pinning Fire but idk.

[serene sage]

oh I think it's fine, godroll, basically

[frank ether]

pinning is pretty ok

[serene sage]

you take like a few more shots against crushers but that's about it
honestly auric people tend to know how to take care of crushers anyway

[versed merlin]

i found out that weapon fov mod that you told me the other day

that shit is game changing

[frank ether]

yea its great, have fun

[serene sage]

as for bosses, pinning fire is in theory better if you can get full 5 stacks

[frank ether]

I like having constant fov

really comfy

[serene sage]

a lot of YT bolter build tells you to take it for this reason
the thing is getting 5 stacks when bosses come is easier said than done

but it can technically be done, in which case pinning > shattering

[frank ether]

does shout stagger count

[serene sage]

yep

[frank ether]

or does it have to be stagger via bolter shots

[serene sage]

it's not a matter of beign able to stagger, it's about the things you can stagger

[frank ether]

if shout stagger counts then that bolter is perfect for VoC+focus mark build

[serene sage]

some how

stagger on bosses don't count

but stagger on normal enemies does

[frank ether]

oh

[serene sage]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frank ether]

I see

so shout on a bunch of trash

and then shoot the boss

[serene sage]

or just nade

[frank ether]

or yeah

[crisp bronze]

I don't play auric but I mainly play normal damnation as my "default" difficulty. I have thought of making the jump to auric though. I've beaten the Twins on hard mode and that was probably the hardest thing I've done in this game personally.

[serene sage]

but I actually have a hard time finding mobs when boss rolls around

[frank ether]

either way I don't think its that situational if you build for it

power is always good

[serene sage]

make the jump friend, it's easier than you think

Hi int Auric just means you need to melee better

HISTG just means you need to dodge better

that's it

[frank ether]

auric damnation is a lot less focus intensive than twins hm if I'm being honest

[serene sage]

twin is fucked up

[frank ether]

Its just like 30 minutes of focus instead of like 5 mins of tryharding

[serene sage]

i got my ass handed

i beat them literally twice and never again

[versed merlin]

twins on hardmode is much harder than auric and probably even harder than some auric maelstroms imo

[serene sage]

^

[bitter turtle]

twins exposes ppl that are useless

on your team

very hard

[serene sage]

damn you didn't have to call me out like that

[bitter turtle]

pls

lol

i mean cause of the no res rule

if ppl go down early

[versed merlin]

ladouts are also much more impactful and important on twins than in normal missions

[bitter turtle]

you cant salvage

[frank ether]

Good thing about the twins fight is when the team has potential people automatically ask to team up with you

saves me a lot of social awkwardness

when the other 3 people ask me to join them

[versed merlin]

understandable, really

[frank ether]

I agree I feel like some loadouts just don't cut it

mainly I have not yet seen a BB psyker or executioner vet clear it

and in general vet/psyker if they're not competent they usually die within the first minute or two

[crisp bronze]

Twins hard mode validating people with 2 wounds (me) because of the one death mechanic. Just don't die! /s

[frank ether]

I'd say you don't really need wounds because of certain corruption cleanse mechanics

you have 3 ways of cleansing corruption:

1. Zealot Aura
2. Medipack (field improv veteran in proxy)
3. Healing stim

[versed merlin]

also, if you die on twins hardmode, theres a high chance that you wont be getting up so

i feel like wounds are a waste there

[frank ether]

On my first clear I did it with like 20 something hp remaining, pretty sure all of my team was near death. Running wounds would probably wipe that run.

[versed merlin]

just bring a plasma and voc and tell your team that you'll handle elites and specials that spawns and you're good

[frank ether]

Oh yeah there is also what @versed merlin said, its really really tough to get people up

[fossil basalt]

Running wounds wipes runs lol

[frank ether]

especially if you get downed during the poison cloud phase

[fossil basalt]

Me looking at the zealots stacking 7+ wounds and never touching a med station

[frank ether]

lmao I had a matyrdom zealot on my hm clear run too

[crisp bronze]

Now you made me want to try the Twins again with Executioner's Stance just to try it out. I imagine it could make the bolter usable in that fight and if not it would make the Columnus shred their shields even faster. Which is silly.

[frank ether]

I really wouldn't but you do you honestly

executioner is honestly a pretty meh ability on a good day

[fossil basalt]

ngl as an infil vet, I pretty much HAD to swap to shout

[frank ether]

I guess there is some value for instant bolter swap

[fossil basalt]

Exe would be worse off

[frank ether]

but you're giving up on VoC

[crisp bronze]

I wouldn't either tbh. But trying stuff out is the true endgame right? Using "bad" or "off meta" things in the hardest content is always fun. Sometimes you find a new favorite.

[frank ether]

infil at least gives toughness back

I mean, its not impossible

if you're really good

exec could very well do it

I just know it will only make me drop exec even harder if I experience it under a challenge that already heavily favors VoC over it

[versed merlin]

infil is better than it seems there

[fossil basalt]

Yeah I made it work for my second full clear but everyone else kept dying in the first one so...

[frank ether]

infils just a bit expensive to build

[crisp bronze]

Maybe speccing into the grenades a bit harder could help? I imagine the knockback from having more frags could make up for the lack of shout at least a bit.

[frank ether]

tho because this fight doesnt require survivalist

you can make a very strong infil build

[crisp bronze]

No toughness refil is still an oof though.

[versed merlin]

there's a video somewhere of some SEA boys who were trying to hit a speed run record on twins hm and the pov of the video is of a knife vet with bolt doing stealth

[serene sage]

The real question is would bringing 75% TDR back make Stance better than VoC

[frank ether]

Thats what I had in mind, speed build, knife vet, infil

easy movement easy mine clears

[versed merlin]

exactly

thats what he was doing most of the time

[tall torrent]

exe with columnus can work as a dps machine if that guy can hold his own

[real lintel]

Trying to get that stupid "Make Every Shot Count" penance, and it's annoying as hell xD I keep getting a couple rounds back right at the end, and not reloading fast enough to expend them.

[tall torrent]

just that some abilities are much stronger than others for that fight specifically

[frank ether]

imo all you rly need is precision/deadshot

then go melee vet with onslaught

[fossil basalt]

From the PoV of your average veterans? Probably.

For most of the psword+plasma/HC+shout meta scroungers? Probably not

[frank ether]

at least thats how I would do iag

ok here is an alternative build idea for iag then

[lofty lintel]

If youre a god tier player yes

If youre like everybody else no

[crisp bronze]

Maybe they could give that bonus to the Marksmans Focus Keystone? So instead of 75%TDR in exe stance you could get 7.5%TDR per stack all the time? Might be op. Who knows I'm not a game dev.

[frank ether]

VoC, marksman (%20 power), cq killzone, fte.
onslaught, precision, deadshot.
ciag with raking/dumdum flakiac

[fossil basalt]

Take off survivalist?

[lofty lintel]

Woah there

[fossil basalt]

Go melee vet!

[lofty lintel]

That is atrocious

[real lintel]

It's not me who has it 😛

[frank ether]

I already have about that much TDR on VoC vet if not more effectively

[lofty lintel]

Then play in a lobby without survivalist vets

[frank ether]

I dont think thats what exec needs

[fossil basalt]

Be like me and tell other vets survivalist is a crutch so you plant the seed of potential inferiority

[lofty lintel]

Exe stance is fine

[frank ether]

you already get good TDR from 3 different talents

[lofty lintel]

It doesnt need anything

[frank ether]

TDR isnt the issue

[lofty lintel]

Its FINE.

[tall torrent]

why not have exe stance buff melee too
an executioner shouldn't be limited to just clicking heads, no?

[fossil basalt]

Reject ammo aura Embrace sprint aura

[lofty lintel]

Just nerf voc

That is all veteran needs

[frank ether]

no lmao

[lofty lintel]

?

What are you about to say

[fossil basalt]

Throne VoC balancing is a fething mess tho

[frank ether]

what do you want nerfed about voc

[lofty lintel]

To back up that atrocious reply

Anything to make it balanced

[tall torrent]

I am honestly ok if VoC get cd nerfed to like 40s

[crisp bronze]

My PS and Rashad can melt bosses and ogryns even quicker? Sign me up. With 25% more melee and weakspot damage the PS 6 poke might actually one shot Maulers which would be juicy ngl.

[serene sage]

Make Exhilarating Takedown works on melee and suddenly Exec Stance vets are good and the other two becomes OP as fuck but we'll pretend they don't exist

[lofty lintel]

Oh god my eyes

Stop this madness you guys have the same sense of balancing fatshark does

[tall torrent]

If exhilarating takedown worked on melee then melee veteran is the strongest class in the game period

[crisp bronze]

Eyes? Chaos mutations? Where?

[lofty lintel]

If a table has one leg longer than the others you make that one shorter you dont make the other 3 legs longer

[tall torrent]

Like imagine regain 15% toughness for every melee weakpoint kill

[serene sage]

Yeah that's why I said we'll pretend they don't exist

[tall torrent]

Rashad is gonna be ungodly broken

[serene sage]

Simple solution

[lofty lintel]

You nerf voc and its done, however they nerf it i dont care just balance it along with the other 2 abilities

Thats how balancing works

[serene sage]

Just cover your eyes

Melee Exhil vet can't hurt you

[frank ether]

nerf the one good ability

very smart

[lofty lintel]

All 3 are good

And fill their niche

[frank ether]

exec niche

weapon swap

[lofty lintel]

Voc is overtuned

Voc is overpowered

[frank ether]

visibility fix

lmao

[lofty lintel]

Get that through your thick skull

If something is overpowered it has to be balanced

[tall torrent]

VoC I’m honestly fine if they nerf CD but I don’t think toughness overshield should get nerfed

[lofty lintel]

End of discussion

Like in every game

[frank ether]

are you 13?

[lofty lintel]

No

Im not

[frank ether]

you have the communication skills of a 13 year old

[lofty lintel]

I dont

[tall torrent]

The other part of VoC I think people ignore is that it’s the easier pathing option? You just go from demo stockpile directly to VoC

That’s like half the reason I take it

[crisp bronze]

If you train to become the fastest hand on Tertium then you can get Exhilerating takedown pretty frequently on melee vet. Unironically strongest vet right now in my opinion.

[tall torrent]

Saves me points

[frank ether]

It is the easier pathing option with least tax nodes

[fossil basalt]

So many pieces of vet's best kits branch easily from center tree

[frank ether]

exec has 2 tax nodes, infil is a bit arguable but I'd say its pretty bland without investing in anything

[lofty lintel]

They just gotta make it so voc needs at least some investment

Its crazy how you can just fit the best ability in the game into any build because it requires 0 investment

[serene sage]

I am glad none of us (myself included) are actually in charge of balancing

[frank ether]

no? lmao

[lofty lintel]

I agree

[frank ether]

I'm playing voc because its the efficient path

[serene sage]

some crackhead takes

[frank ether]

go ahead add 2 more tax nodes to VoC

[fossil basalt]

Infil pretty much needs two extra talent points

[frank ether]

watch me main zealot

[fossil basalt]

Compare that to VoC's one

[frank ether]

and do what I do on voc vet right now

with less effort

[lofty lintel]

Crutch

[frank ether]

I don't even have to pick a mobility weapon on zealot

[serene sage]

VoC is fine cause it's purely defensive

[lofty lintel]

[serene sage]

if VoC starts doing damage then it's an issue

and please no, For the Emp is negligible

[lofty lintel]

That would be extremely stupid if they did that

[tall torrent]

The other other part of that issue is that vet can do pretty funny monster dmg after VoC stagger cuz it hard staggers everything

[fossil basalt]

I mean... vet has a node for +base damage to allies?

[crisp bronze]

If they moved the tax node at the start of the middle bottom branch and moved it above VoC but below demo stockpile so it cost 1 more point that could help it.

[lofty lintel]

I wouldnt mind a big hit to vocs cd

I think that would work

[serene sage]

it's kinda negligible and for a very short time
technically sure

[tall torrent]

I’d take 40s, but 45s would be a bit much

[frank ether]

I don't understand this brainrot honestly

this whole chat

spends 2 months complaining vet builds are fucking awful

and now you're brainstorming how to make the one fucking efficient path less efficient

[lofty lintel]

Spammable hard stagger to everything around you 50 toughness to allies and replenish all toughness

[serene sage]

[fossil basalt]

And they were

[lofty lintel]

Emphasis on spammable

[serene sage]

it's a Sisyphian task

[lofty lintel]

I have voc back almost right after i use it

[serene sage]

remove Tactical Takedowns

[lofty lintel]

On every build

[midnight mortar]

I chalk it up to stockholm syndrome.

[serene sage]

simple as

[lofty lintel]

Just by doing my thing

[frank ether]

have you fucking seen zealot gameplay

[midnight mortar]

They're adopting Fatshark's balancing philosophy.

[lofty lintel]

That is fine?

[serene sage]

VoC isn't a problem

[frank ether]

gapclose>stun everything>free crit>%50 toughness>reset>repeat

[serene sage]

Tactical Takedowns is

if you want to nerf vets

nerf that

[tall torrent]

Tbh zealot can pop fury like 3 times in 5 seconds

[frank ether]

ok

[fossil basalt]

If VoC remains efficient, de-fat my infil tree, please

[frank ether]

I can't take this chat anymore

I'm putting myself

on a forced vacation

[lofty lintel]

Go

[lofty lintel]

Replenish 50% of toughness in comparison to everything i mentioned before

Or 75 i dont remember

[fossil basalt]

Throne they literally can't remove tactical takedowns at this point can they?

[frank ether]

nonono smoke grenade+speed aura and like 4 nodes for infil isn't the problem, its voc thats the issue, clearly.

[fossil basalt]

Imagine this chat lol

[tall torrent]

While doing guaranteed crits and downgrading enemy armor

[crisp bronze]

Honestly the fact Demo Stockpile and Demo Team are BOTH middle tree is a bit crazy. I think if they replaced one of the nodes above Infiltrate with Demo Team things get a bit more interesting. Add a new Grenade regen talent above Exe Stance and now each tree has a unique way to regen nades adding more options.

[lofty lintel]

I think the overtoughness lasting for less time would be a great nerf to voc

[tall torrent]

Would prefer buffing the other 2 abilities before nerfing VoC for sure

[serene sage]

a good zealot can make chorus better than VoC imo

they have a lot more ways for CDR

and much better survivability

[lofty lintel]

"Good"

[tall torrent]

And you say spammable but I feel like
The other side of the coin is, if you’re doing your job properly you should be rewarded?

[lofty lintel]

Yes

[serene sage]

Misery builds character.

[lofty lintel]

Which is why i just came up with this

[serene sage]

up to 100

compared to our 50

[fossil basalt]

Me with my knife vet builds lol

[lofty lintel]

The overtoughness is insane

[tall torrent]

Chorus goes up to +100 overshield, plus potential dmg reduction if they take additional modifiers

[tall torrent]

Chorus can make the most glass cannon Psyker incredibly durable

[serene sage]

plus damage and toughness damage reduction

but yeah vets VoC is the problem

ayy

[tall torrent]

Difference is, it’s on a 60s CD

[hearty kernel]

depends if your zealot is spamming it out like they should with a crit chance build

[tall torrent]

And u have to keep holding it

[carmine bronze]

Also stuns all units in the game

[hearty kernel]

cooldown can be reduced to like 10s if you using crit knife