veteran-class

[gusty bison]

The infantry autoguns are very good but you need to learn to burst control past short range

[wanton dawn]

Case in point, recon is bad at close range anyway

[gusty bison]

The braced autogun is... strictly close-mid range only

[midnight mortar]

It's important to be clear about weapon performance. 50% Flak damage past 23m is a hefty reduction in damage already not accounting for other reductions on the weapon at range.

[wanton dawn]

"Other" reduction meaning ?

[wicked cobalt]

any auto armor piercers?

[wanton dawn]

If anything vet has the 20% dmg increase past 20

[midnight mortar]

You're asking for a niche that doesn't really exist in the way you're hoping for.

[gusty bison]

Flak? yes

Carapace? Not really

Not without onslaught

And even then it still takes a good chunk of ammo

[wicked cobalt]

then in yoour opinion what is the best automatic

[gusty bison]

I mean what is your skillset

[wanton dawn]

Weapon dmg has other reduction besides what appears in advanced stats screen ?

[midnight mortar]

I just meant the other innate close and far damage %s listed for the recon in the damage breakdown when you inspect it.

[gusty bison]

Like the columnus IAG is great but it also requires good recoil control and trigger disciplinr

As well as solid footwork

[wicked cobalt]

ii dont know anything every thing im oly level 9

[gusty bison]

The braced autoguns dont need recoil control or trigger discipline but have a limited effective range

So u need to barrel stuff the enemy

[wanton dawn]

At the end of the day, efficiency at range is less about dmg and more about accurary

[gusty bison]

^

Use the gun that you can hit with the most

[wicked cobalt]

gooooooooooooooood bye

[timber token]

MKII helbore with onslaught can be fairly automatic. High damage and high range

[gusty bison]

Thats very much a semi auto gun thou xD

[wanton dawn]

Also, agri brauto has one of the best hipfire for ranged

[torn needle]

What to change?

[gusty bison]

Perks

[raw steppe]

Every weapon makes a tradeoff in this game

[gusty bison]

The blessings dont matter

[raw steppe]

My fav overall automatic allrounder wep is prob colum or agro brauto

[wicked cobalt]

true

[torn needle]

Sprint obv, to unyield or something

[wanton dawn]

Perks. Having 2 unlocked perk is great

[gusty bison]

Check ur dreg gunner breakpoint

[raw steppe]

I like colum brauto more personally

[torn needle]

I one shot hs with 8% elite

[raw steppe]

But agri brauto is also great

[wanton dawn]

You dont have blaze but flexibility is better

[grizzled pebble]

Blaze trauma trade off is it's hard to play.

[gusty bison]

Then ye sprint to... something

Check if u 1 tap flamers

[torn needle]

I do yes

[gusty bison]

Then ye unyielding

[raw steppe]

The only weapon that is strictly straight op is revolver

[torn needle]

Might just keep the 8% and swap blessing then

[gusty bison]

And only a specific build with it tbh

[raw steppe]

But that requires you to be able to handle movement and melee

[gusty bison]

Blessings frankly... dont matter

[raw steppe]

And be overall good at the game

[wicked cobalt]

hmmm--noo

[torn needle]

What would I change the 8% to though?

[gusty bison]

Eh just keep it

In case plasma gets changed again

[torn needle]

I lose gunner bp if I drop it, and it's better than unarmor

[raw steppe]

Keep elites. Sprint to unyielding/maniac

[gusty bison]

And then just vibe

[torn needle]

I'll just keep the other craft open for now

Already really good

[gusty bison]

Blessings dont matter so just leave 1 free craft slot

In case of future changes

[strange sparrow]

+3 4% Ability Regeneration Curios

23 Seconds VoC, pretty abusive

Just Free toughness for your team 24/7

This work so well with the new stims

which give you +100 toughness stack without even killing specialist

The Duty and Honor Last for 10 seconds so, it's roughly 43% uptime

Compared to Other Curios, which mean your Duty and Honor last for 33% uptime

[raw steppe]

It's pretty good lol

I use cdr on vet and psyker

[strange sparrow]

This just synergize well with Iron Will overall, and pretty much the only way I think about how to make sure Vet stay afloat in terms of tankiness
(Some people play VoC for Crowd Control, Fuck that, You do it to make sure you squeeze every value out of IronWill. there is just not a lot of situation you get into that require VoC to save you)

Still doesn't know how to play EC on Auric Mael Solo Queue, because despite high potential damage, you just don't get enough toughness to stay afloat

[versed merlin]

is the new revolver reliable to deal with elites and specials at long range?

[raw steppe]

Not really

[strange sparrow]

No

[raw steppe]

Its more for burst and better reload

Old one is better for sniping and dealing with gunners

[versed merlin]

if i take it with exec stance does it change something?

[raw steppe]

Nope lol

[versed merlin]

aw whack

[strange sparrow]

Hmm, It does

but not like marginally better than old revolver even with Exec Stance

[versed merlin]

no reason to run it then

[raw steppe]

Its pretty good

You run it for WS setup to emphasize your melee

Whereas the old revolver WS setup emphasize s the gun

[river escarp]

Did they buff the Bayonets ? They feel really good right now

[river escarp]

Just went in a losing game with a Helbore II to try it and I carried with a pointy stick 2 shotting mutants.

[gusty bison]

Yes

[midnight mortar]

Multiple patches ago, yes.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1168063453416669284/1188820151836082197/20231225122125_1.jpg?ex=659bea0b&is=6589750b&hm=a270bbf753f68f368012d879f4c42da332da518c90223402b2a1c22b40504066&

[woven geode]

what's the best horde clear melee for veteran?

[inland orchid]

I likes me a shovel but I’ve been enjoying devil claw gameplay

[midnight mortar]

Psword mk6 or rashad.

[woven geode]

Thanks

I've been using MK XII Chain Axe

because it's the melee with all cleave light attacks

relenteless*

[midnight mortar]

Yeah the chaxe is very weak when it comes to horde clear.

[woven geode]

but yeah kinda sucks

why mk6 over mk3 psword?

mk3 doesnt have strikedowns that are single target, so horde clear the mk3 would be better?

or am I missing smth

[torn root]

no the columnus is legit op

[strange sparrow]

Do you have clip of rashad in operation

Didn’t like the thing but maybe because it doesn’t have the right blessinns

[torn root]

columnus is literally the only gun you can slap anything on and it deletes everything

[strange sparrow]

It’s basically just inverted

3 use heavy to clear hordes

6 use light to clear hordes

[woven geode]

ah but both 3 and 6 have vanguard as light attacks

[umbral scaffold]

Merry Xmas my fellow Vets

[idle swallow]

Show a heretic the meaning of christmas via a beam of hot plasma

[strange sparrow]

The moveset

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8M1RKZSNXQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m0jBNXhuZk

You can see Ps 3 light swing is Top Down while Heavy Swing is Horizontal

[woven geode]

interesting

thank you

[strange sparrow]

Ps 6 light swing is a straight horizontal

The importances of Horizontal Swing is because of this specific Blessing

[woven geode]

:OO

[strange sparrow]

Basically a very strong horde clear

[woven geode]

Thanks

[dusty sluice]

whats the dump stat/s for the helbore?

[gusty bison]

Ammo

[pearl granite]

is braced autogun good?

[strange sparrow]

Serviceable

[jolly hemlock]

u mean in general?

nearly all weapons are playable in all difficulties

some do better than others

[pearl granite]

thank

[jolly hemlock]

but you should just play what fits you tbh

[pearl granite]

how about the one in that pic? 😄

[jolly hemlock]

im not a expert for autoguns im sorry i hate them haha

wait for someone else to give you advice on blessings and perks ^^

[strange sparrow]

I’m not well versed in Blessing and Perks since my arsenal is limited

But in general is just DumDum and deathspitter

Then change one of the perks to Flak/Cara

[jolly hemlock]

carapace might be fine if you have brittleness perks

he has cara

[strange sparrow]

Yea

So just the Crit hit chance to Flak

[jolly hemlock]

yea

and hit and run to something else

deathspitter might go well with dumdum

[limber egret]

hey so usually when does the store update with new cosmetics?

[halcyon zephyr]

best braced auto is Agri. The problem with this brauto is the Stability mod - that's actually an important mod on braced autoguns

[north raptor]

i need a fun build to revive my love for veteran. im tired of the plasma gun and revolver.

any suggestions on my new ranged weapon?

[atomic zephyr]

infantry autogun

[mortal shore]

Columnus Mark 5, my beloved.

[atomic zephyr]

columnus is probably the best but I prefer the agrippina

[north raptor]

i do that on my psyker, though

[mortal shore]

Tell me why, I wanna try it out anyways.

[atomic zephyr]

big ol chunky battle rifle that can do everything

[mortal shore]

I feel like the Columnus does everything I want it to.

[atomic zephyr]

then that’s fair

I feel like it struggles at range

[atomic zephyr]

not with executioners stance you don’t

[halcyon zephyr]

Agri braced auto = space CS AK47. Never brace, never stop moving, absolutely annihilate rooms

[atomic zephyr]

veteran sergeant build is also really really good

kantrael laspistol, chainsword, shout, focus target

[haughty pond]

which combat blade is actually better?

or the new one is just a reskin

[atomic zephyr]

mk 3 (old one) better for single target

[median merlin]

i do a variation of that with power sword and helbore lasgun

[atomic zephyr]

I see, always found helbore too clunky for that sorta playstyle even with the bayonet

[median merlin]

it is a bit clunky, but i got used to it

[atomic zephyr]

Kant laspistol is basically a pocket MGXII so I’m not really hurting for ranged firepower

[median merlin]

that sounds good, because i've used an MGXII since beta

and still have it

[jolly hemlock]

Recon lasgun or heavy laspistol x

[median merlin]

it dropped that way before crafting was really fleshed out.

[brazen mural]

Big being nice today, Mr Melk is gifting me shit

[haughty pond]

lol

[median merlin]

matter of fact, i can still upgrade the two perks on it. it has one open slot. lmao.

it just hit so hard that i never bothered

[brazen mural]

What belssings and perks to use on that gun?

[low oar]

Is there a blessing that turns it into the zarona?

[frail maple]

Crucian Roulette and Run 'n' Gun make for a meme with good crits

[north raptor]

thanks for ideas on my next gun everyone

[forest scaffold]

Change critical hit damage to flak, unarmored to maniac

please

I'm begging you

the blessings are perfect

fix your perks 😭

[median merlin]

now imagine this, that it dropped that way in beta. 😄

[forest scaffold]

Oh

I can't read

Sorry pal

[median merlin]

yeah it was a once in a lifetime drop and i haven't found anything that good since

i've always had to make it, thank you hadron

[forest scaffold]

All of my good shit is on ogryn

not to say that I don't have acceptable stuff on the other three classes

just that all my best/best/best gear is on ogryn

[median merlin]

i've been raising my ogryn up, but vet was my first, and had best stuff

so maniac and flak

gonna do so and test it

been that way for perk since the beginning

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, Flak/Maniac gets you a bunch of osbps

Uh

[median merlin]

in english?

[forest scaffold]

I'd say shoot for marksman's focus

[zinc echo]

Hi! There is a perk point for veteran called Close Quarters Killzone. In it's description the game uses "Close Damage" wording.

What is "Close Damage"? Is it melee damage, or close ranged, but still ranged weapon damage?

[forest scaffold]

One Shot Break Points

osbp

[median merlin]

ahhhh

yeah i love those

[forest scaffold]

Markman's Focus keystone if you wanna actually git gud at the game

tag keystone if you wanna drill torsos

either or works

[median merlin]

damnation is my standard difficulty

[forest scaffold]

Well, like personally speaking, I only manage a 5-15% headshot rate

even though I only play auric

[shadow aurora]

Forbidden right keystone if you want to be a shitter

[forest scaffold]

so there's a different kind of skill at play when using Marksman's Focus

[median merlin]

it takes a bit of a steady hand to hit headshots in the insane frenzy of a horde

[forest scaffold]

One I'm really bad at

Its much easier to just drill torsos and call it a day

[rose wedge]

Any thoughts on what I changev here?

[halcyon zephyr]

you take that back

[forest scaffold]

no respite to deadly accurate

[rose wedge]

okay, I'll have to accept the perks I have ten

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, 3/4 is acceptable

[shadow aurora]

I like right keystone as much as anyone else but you gotta admit its pretty bad compared to the other two

[forest scaffold]

Woah

woahwoahwoah

woaaaaaaaaaah nelly

[median merlin]

here's my lasgun. MG12, but still. those blessings there are wicked.

[old quail]

hadron and brunt gave me a christmas gift

[forest scaffold]

Nononononono

swap swap keystone is nuts

We love weapon specialist

Shits nuts

[old quail]

the mouthbreather in me wants to put gloryhunter over BA for the 550

[shadow aurora]

I mean it is but the other two are like busted strong

[median merlin]

deadly accurate - headhunter, with shocktrooper. fun stuff. i never run out of ammo. 😄

[halcyon zephyr]

yeah but the right keystone is actually fun

[forest scaffold]

You clearly haven't used weapon specialist with a rashad combat axe and revolver then

[old quail]

weapon specialist enables a lot of funny builds and is just fucking insane with revo

[forest scaffold]

its the strongest vet build in the game

[shadow aurora]

IM NOT SAYING I DONT LIKE IT

Its my fav next to mark

[old quail]

both weapon spec/marksman's are kinda weapon specific so exactly how strong they are is a question of loadout

[gusty bison]

Right keystonr is v good

[shadow aurora]

Really?

[forest scaffold]

Yes

[halcyon zephyr]

I'm going to intentionally misconstrue your words in order to engage in conversation this early on a Christmas Morning

[forest scaffold]

I cannot overstate how strong it is.

[gusty bison]

Infinite clip size revolver

[forest scaffold]

^

[gusty bison]

Toughness on demand

[forest scaffold]

And 20% melee attack speed

just forever

[old quail]

manstopper/flechette lawbringer weapon specialist

[shadow aurora]

Okay my fault original gangster

[forest scaffold]

10% ranged attack speed

100% crit rate

[halcyon zephyr]

show me this magical build

[old quail]

is very funny

[forest scaffold]

#veteran-class message

most braindead vet build in the game

Revolver, Plasma Gun, Rashad, Power Sword, XIIIg Chainsword, Antax mk5

[median merlin]

did chat die or did i disconnect?

[old quail]

who knows

[median merlin]

good

[shadow aurora]

It died

[median merlin]

i got a matchmaking error the same time chat died

[shadow aurora]

Go to other chats

[median merlin]

so i was like UHHH

[forest scaffold]

results of this build

[shadow aurora]

I want them to add a bolt pistol so bad itd be so fun with right stone

[median merlin]

bolt pistol and melta gun

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[median merlin]

my roommate has always been going "where the hell is the melta gun" since beta

i would also accept a heavy bolter for the ogryn. out of lore, but doable.

if he can load a 100 round belt into a stubber he can load a bolter.

[forest scaffold]

Ogryn Gunlugger squads are actually allowed to bring heavy bolters in the tabletop game

[median merlin]

well there we go

[forest scaffold]

they just have a chance to break when the squad enters melee because you know

[median merlin]

where is my heavy bolter fatshark

[forest scaffold]

heavy bolters aren't meant to be used as a club

[limber egret]

i still would like the hotshot lasgun/hellgun for veteran

[median merlin]

gonna be wierd with the helbore

[forest scaffold]

Different kinda gun

[limber egret]

really hoping next update they do finally adds new weaponns like that

[forest scaffold]

the hotshot/hellgun is a backpack magazine lasgun

with rapid fire capabilities

its basically what the recon lasguns are

just. . . with a backpack battery instead of a magazine

so it'd be all 900 rounds or whatever in one magazine

[limber egret]

i stil would like it in game

its the main weapon i really wanna see

[forest scaffold]

Soon™️

maybe

who knows.

[slender turtle]

Im more inclined to believe they would add a mini-rotary grenade launcher to the game for vet and zealot

maybe not mini but you get the point

[mortal shore]

Puri, unironically, teach me the ways of Right Keystone Vet.

[limber egret]

the swaping one?

[mortal shore]

Yah.

[limber egret]

i havent used it much

its really basically just do damage with meelee or range

and build stacks for the opposite weapon

but your a bit restricted to doing that so i dont use it atleast

[mortal shore]

Puri sang it's praises earlier so I was hoping they'd be willing to share the secrets of making it work 'cause I need something different to my current shoot-everything-and-then-keep-shooting setup.

[rose wedge]

how would you folks go about fixing this weapon?

[strange sparrow]

35 Docket

Hope it work out this one last time

[slate sleet]

we really need new weapons

[rose wedge]

im th rowing carapace on

[short wigeon]

35 dockets.
Jesus I thought I was poor with just under a mil

[forest scaffold]

Bring revolver

Shoot random enemy once with gun

Swap to melee>get 10% attack speed on top of trench fighter's 10% melee attack for a total of 20%

delete hordes with melee

Swap to revolver to kill specials and elites

Get your melee attack speed on swap to melee

Delete hordes with melee again

blablablabla

[strange sparrow]

I have 10 gold psword

370+ each but no Pcycler

Im off to hang myself

[mortal shore]

Kek, thanks a lot for humouring my inquiry man, genuinely nice of you.

[covert beacon]

My trusty lasgun but was wondering what the best thing would be to improve it a bit further

[forest scaffold]

specialists to flak or maniac

probably maniac

[old quail]

i'd swap opening salvo for deadly accurate, opening salvo on mgxii isn't great because of how long the reset time on it is

maybe thats been changed the last time i saw anything about it was before patch 13

[viral nacelle]

You left out “troll team by dancing in stealth when crushers come”

[forest scaffold]

i use voice of command

[viral nacelle]

You took an actually useful skill over Pose of Troll? Disappointing

[forest scaffold]

#veteran-class message

the skill tree I use

if I use survivalist, I don't use exhi takedown

[haughty pond]

55% finesse dmg for 2s on dodge worth it

catachan combat blade*

[muted knot]

It positively fucks and sometimes you outperform the zealots in your team which is quite funny

[feral lake]

Anyone else only play vet like you’ve tried the others but never put time into anything other than vet

[fossil basalt]

Using infil vet with overwatch to stack damage bonuses for teammates is kinda fun

[strange sparrow]

Anyone could share how people do the charge on Psword while sliding

[sharp ember]

press activate, then press sprint + crouch

[strange sparrow]

Saw people was Block->Push->Slide Dodge -> Charge something

[sharp ember]

or dodge then crouch

[strange sparrow]

Was it me or the charging seem to "slow" you down a bit?

Somehow it feel worse than ThunderHammer Animation

[sharp ember]

that is a quality of the mk6 psword

doing a slide cancels out of the slowdown

mk3 has no slowdown

[strange sparrow]

Does DodgeSlide work?

[sharp ember]

yeah

[strange sparrow]

Sound good

Thanks

[pearl sapphire]

Whats a good horde clear melee weapon that also does semi decent on the twins? Running the Cadia XIII chainsword right now

[orchid musk]

I personally stick with P sword and chain swords. Can kinda do it all.

Though I think some of the shovels do rather well.

[pearl sapphire]

I like the idea of the power sword, I haven’t really liked them in function

Might just use the MKIV or MKVII Catachan

Embrace For Honor and become a parry god

[sharp ember]

chainsword a good choice for ripping up their shields, so is power sword, but if you have trouble getting overrun by melee elites like ragers, try a Devil claw for the parry

[fossil basalt]

I did the same since it can cut through the Ranged twin's shield super fast, and paired it with a Columnus MkV IAG for popping melee twin+dps

[sharp ember]

i stacked +6 stamina and parried literally everything that got too close, including rinda

[fossil basalt]

Devils claws are one of those low skill floor high skill ceiling weapons

[pearl sapphire]

That’s what I was thinking, because for some reason, all the crushers and ragers love me

[sharp ember]

got mobbed by like 5 ragers during hardmode and came out fairly unscathed thanks to it

[pearl sapphire]

Coupled with the fact that Rinda constantly wants my ass

[fossil basalt]

I can change them

[pearl sapphire]

Jesus Christ, I never run stamina so idk if that’s a lot or not but it seems like it

[fossil basalt]

Love a stamina build

I've found I can survive longer on stam perks than anything else

[pearl sapphire]

On one of my vets I have 3 17% toughness with an additional 5% perk, and toughness regen on each of them

[sharp ember]

I never leave the house without +3 stamina, and hard mode was so goddamn busy that I legitimately needed the +6 to keep parrying without being overran

[pearl sapphire]

Jesus

[sharp ember]

super important for not running out of steam when stuck in heavy melee

or cheeky revive blocks

[pearl sapphire]

Fair

[sharp ember]

or even just repositioning

[pearl sapphire]

Literally the only problem I have during the twins fight is dodging and blocking Rinda and sliding straight into a fart bomb

[fossil basalt]

Stam is best suited for bringing tactical plays into the field

[sharp ember]

yeah clearing the whoopiee cushions is very important

lost too many good men instantly to direct fart inhalation with no toughness

[pearl sapphire]

That’s what I try to do but I’ll end up getting mugged by a pox buster or Ronnie Coleman when he throws me into a pack of ragers

[fossil basalt]

Lets not forget the double fart tagteam during the phase shifts

Oh you're running for the light? Here's two mines and the DoT

[pearl sapphire]

Exactly

Or get jumped by a mutie and thrown the opposite direction

[fossil basalt]

I have to give muties a bit of cred when they toss me towards my team

[pearl sapphire]

The only time they deserve respect

[pearl sapphire]

Don’t forget about a group of infected with the numbers of a large nation blocking your way

[crude ermine]

Nice, pretty nice, now to run for the blessings

[fossil basalt]

Praise and Glory to the Machine God

[solemn niche]

picture this situation: you are lining up a shot on a bomber up on a roof, it takes some time because it's not easy to target the bomber on the roof

when suddenly you hear SWOOSH

you turn around and you have 0.5 seconds to react before a crusher flattens you

what do you do ?

[fossil basalt]

[mortal shore]

Stealth out.

[fossil basalt]

Infil is so hard to swap off once you learn when and where best to use

[solemn niche]

#1 use is to outstealth the stealth crushers

[gritty dock]

What result? I use Columnus myself.

[strange sparrow]

Someone use a chainaxe to delete Chaos Spawn in less than a minute the other day

not sure where's the video again

[fossil basalt]

Love flipping the script with a MkIII combat knife and -threat

[strange sparrow]

#veteran-class message

[crude ermine]

Not looking great so far

[strange sparrow]

Here it is

[pearl sapphire]

Isn’t there a video somewhere of a dude one tapping a chaos spawn

[strange sparrow]

You can't have worse luck than me

12-13 Psword in

no Pcycler

[forest blaze]

It doesn’t exist

[pearl sapphire]

Bro is suffering

[strange sparrow]

I literally don't grind for plasteel

my income is Auric Maelstrom now

which average at 600 plasteel for an hour

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaaaa-screaming-aa-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-gif-20486559

Look at my team plasteel count

Im already on my way to hang myself

2 knife zealot that can't loot do no damage

[pearl sapphire]

Stop it

Get some help

[strange sparrow]

[crude ermine]

No keep going this is funny

[pearl sapphire]

Just grind gooder

[fossil basalt]

Knife zealots who don't loot make me irate

It's the only thing I expect out of them

[strange sparrow]

You cant suffer harder than me in term of Pcycler

[fossil basalt]

said the knife vet

[crude ermine]

Took me two powerswords I neglected to upgrade till yesterday

[pearl sapphire]

Me random matchmaking and getting lvl 16 psykers on damnation orthus makes me irate

[strange sparrow]

I only play Auric Mael for a reason

[atomic zephyr]

which of these is better?

[strange sparrow]

Level 16 Psykers are okay because Assail exist

[fossil basalt]

Left has a better stat breakdown, right has better blessings

[strange sparrow]

Take the Brutal Momentum and put it into the Left side

Else, I would only run Right side

Brutal just flat out necessity

[fossil basalt]

BM on any weapon it can roll on should be rolled

[pearl sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[strange sparrow]

The right side can be saved but then again, You want to get the blessings (Brutal Momentum if you doesn't)

[mortal shore]

Hey so I ask a lot of questions and I'm starting to feel somewhat self conscious about it, is there an overview posted somewhere of the various melee weapons and what the most generally useful marks, perks and blessings from them are just so I can read that instead?

[fossil basalt]

Throne, assail when used well is great but most psykers at lower levels just live on it and don't use their other parts of their kit

[strange sparrow]

Sorry my friend, Only Ogryn got that privilege

[fossil basalt]

Until you're running aurics, literally nobody should care

[strange sparrow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3044646170

Literally best guide that you could ever read on Darktide

but only Ogryn

[median merlin]

^^

[fossil basalt]

But to be perfectly clear, that's why we're all here!
We can answer more specific questions about weapons any time

What do you like? What do you look for right now?

[pliant heron]

where exactly is the scavenger skill in the vet. skilltree thx in advance

[mortal shore]

It's the leftmost aura node.

[median merlin]

it's the only one i run.

[pliant heron]

is it the survivalist node or im blind ?

[mortal shore]

Yes.

[fossil basalt]

I hope the Munitorum gives you all the ammo you requested in a reasonable timeframe

[mortal shore]

As in, it is the survivalist node.

[strange sparrow]

@pliant heron for you

[thorn yoke]

I think technically "scavenger" is the name of the unupgraded aura?

[mortal shore]

Honestly just a melee weapon that works, I have been suggested since I like Chainswords to go for the MkXIIIg but like, what's good for that blessing/perk wise?

The only weapon in my arsenal I feel good about is my Autogun but I think I got lucky with that thing, let me just dig up a picture.

[terse idol]

Scavenger is the baseline perk everyone gets at lvl 1 for vet

Survivalist is the upgraded version

[crimson wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/898265336166621205/1188884127227850912/IMG_20231225_164031_1.jpg?ex=659c25a0&is=6589b0a0&hm=8ddea649ae867330e3d1982e7226b7365ade1a8a6ece9675e8562222f38a28bf&

[mortal shore]

Best gun, and best feeling gun, I possess.

[strange sparrow]

Correct, Scavenger is the original one, Survivalist is the upgraded one

[pliant heron]

ok thx tought there was like a skill called Scavenger not as a subpiont

[strange sparrow]

I still dont see the appeal for Focus Target

Do people blind their button to M1 while playing it?

General stuff die too quick without tagging so Im questioning myself with this keystone

[terse idol]

It's a flat like 32% extra damage if you take the 8 focus stacks

It helps melt certain targets

You dont want to spam it

And its great vs bosses

[sharp ember]

the mk 13g chainsword needs Wrath blessing to have cleave on its light attacks, as it can’t activate Ramapge or Savage Sweep on anything but the weakest of trash with its light cleave

[strange sparrow]

Also I-III mean there's more variant or just Wave of Specialist Enemies?

[terse idol]

And crushers

[strange sparrow]

Crushers die too quick currently with my build

[hollow ibex]

helps meet breakpoints on some builds too

[strange sparrow]

Half a mag

[sharp ember]

the other older chainsword is a bit easier to build and use because of that issue with the mk13 chainsword

[strange sparrow]

Lasborn?

[umbral scaffold]

yu7mmmy

[serene solar]

Does the Make Every Shot Count Penance need to be a mission from start to finish, or would it also count if I were to quickplay into a match?

[wet elk]

anyone got an executioner stance build?

[umbral scaffold]

i got one

[hollow ibex]

could be any build where the weapon isn't quite meeting the breakpoint of an elite/special

[umbral scaffold]

want me to dm you a pic?

[terse idol]

I mean more damage still ain't bad

[sharp ember]

for chainsword perks, Flak + Maniac is the most common and safe setup

[atomic zephyr]

just triggered daemonhost because no one pinged it and i did a stupid
mistook a dead corpse for the daemonhost, walked forwards, bumped into actual dh

[crude ermine]

Do not leave me and the daemonhost in a room

[strange sparrow]

DaemonHost Forgive, as long you dont shoot

[wet elk]

sure

[mortal shore]

I do worry about going Flak Maniac on both my weapons but I guess for Crushers I have a never-ending supply of Kraks so it's all good.

[strange sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLb1gZt4X8

[atomic zephyr]

ahh dont even need krak just bring a melee that can hurt carapace

chainaxe, powersword

[strange sparrow]

Not sure whether it's still "okay/updated"

[wet elk]

cthis should be decent base stats right?

[terse idol]

I will say even the times I accidentally activate a daemon host we usually have enough damage to take it down while I block dodge

[mortal shore]

I posted my current gun earlier so I guess I am looking for a melee that complements it, to ask a more specific question.

[terse idol]

Daemon host attacks are preetty predictable

[muted knot]

Should count as long as you fulfill the rest of the requirements

[sharp ember]

it’s just that reliable of a perk pair, but you can experiment with things besides Maniac if you don’t need the extra help against muties and dreg ragers

[strange sparrow]

I don't trust my team in DPS-ing these days

[muted knot]

Just did mine yesterday which was a late join but only by a second or two

[sharp ember]

flak is a keeper though

[strange sparrow]

Its' really rare to find that one guy that does more damage than Columnus

[mortal shore]

Oh no uh, Muties and Ragers I just shoot.

The former because of how they work and the latter because I am literally trash at melee.

[sharp ember]

if not, Unyielding and Unarmored can be decent alternatives depending on your usage

Unyielding if you gravitate towards melee against monsters

Unarmored for the entire dreg cult and bald scab bruisers

[muted knot]

Seems like you don't play with enough ogryns

[thorn yoke]

What damage perks normally for a chain axe? Flak/unyielding?

[serene solar]

I'm def being skill issued by this Penance lmao, legit last one of the Redacted for Vet

[muted knot]

Just be aware of your shots and it's fine

I did it in my second try the other day

[strange sparrow]

I do play a lot with Orgryns, with them blocking my shots

[mortal shore]

I think the only situation I feel like I don't cover is the very specific one where there's just been a monster fight, I have no more kraks, and then a Bulwark/Crusher pack or two rolls up.

And I just kinda... Stand there, with no tool to help out and hope that everyone else can bail me out.

[muted knot]

Also don't bring ammo aura

[thick rose]

I was very into a decent revolver but then I got a good agri IAG and man this thing pumps

[strange sparrow]

and making my life miserable, but still they aren't good enough

Ogryn in my lobby are literally "Ogryn irl"

[sharp ember]

Flak/Maniac/Unyielding/Carapace/Unarmored
Unarmored can shave off a hit on certain UN*armored trash if you use the new chainaxe

[serene solar]

Yeah I just need to be more patient and not shoot into melee I think

[strange sparrow]

This twat ate the green stims rather than giving it to other 2 lil uns

[sharp ember]

with a chainsword, your only gambit in that situation is to saw the bulwarks asap with the help of your team engaging the crushers. Multiple crushers is basically chainsword’s weakness

just one is fine because you can dodge and saw

[terse idol]

I mean worst case you can saw and dodge before it's done if you need to

[sharp ember]

but multiple means you can’t use your saw to the fullest without big risks

[terse idol]

But that's scary

[sharp ember]

yeah thank goodness saw canceling is added

[thorn yoke]

I see, thanks. I’ll have to see how it handles compared to antax/rashad

[mortal shore]

Yeah it's just that one specific situation where I kinda feel like I got no more tricks to pull and I feel seven different flavours of useless.

[sour elbow]

God I hate multiple crushers and ragers. I've got the impact blessing for my shovel, that seems to make things a little easier when I get the stacks up

[strange sparrow]

Krak grenade are your best friend against Stacked Crusher

Usually it could take out 2 of them

[mortal shore]

Yah, and when I have one or both ready I just chuck and chuckle.

[atomic zephyr]

me watching one sniper down two teammates in five seconds as a horde pops

[mortal shore]

Pain.

[sharp ember]

yeah that’s because you really are out of tricks in your bag, pray your teammates can step up

[thick rose]

voice and shredders are good too, against overwhelming shit

[sharp ember]

or bring a gun that can work anti-armor

[mortal shore]

I might just be fuzzy about this and feel like I need to do-it-all.

[thick rose]

make space, rely on team to kill (plus IAG or revolver kills them all good)

[strange sparrow]

It is.

[sharp ember]

chainaxes and pickax shovels are great omni-tools nowadays

[strange sparrow]

Unironically, the best way to win a game is to "Do it all"

Especially if you're solo-queing

[crude ermine]

Or

[sharp ember]

slightly slower horde clear than typical melees, but they can delete crushers well

[crude ermine]

Join Chaos/j

[strange sparrow]

Im gonna fuckin join chaos if I don't get Pcycler

[thick rose]

meh

dclaw life

[sharp ember]

one of the popular chainaxe blessing setups will kill a crusher in 1 revved heavy

[strange sparrow]

We know why moebian 6th join Chaos, they can't handle sanctioned tech priest

[pearl sapphire]

Man hadrons a bitch eh?

[mortal shore]

Friend of mine converted to the church of DClaw earlier 'cause of advice I passed on to him from here.

[strange sparrow]

I can play Dclaw on Zealot, I want my Psword cyler IV

[pearl sapphire]

Is the devils claw parry the same way as blocking? Works until out of stamina?

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[pearl sapphire]

Ok gtk

[crude ermine]

Almost chocked on my muffin answering that

[mortal shore]

Please don't, I am allergic to people dying.

[pearl sapphire]

Same

Heresy begins in death by dishonorable means

[granite dove]

Why isn't rannicks revolver not a skin!!!!!!!!

[mortal shore]

Presumably because he's an Interrogator and the Inquisition was never big on sharing.

[granite dove]

Anyway pistols fun

[pearl sapphire]

That’s actually a good point

[strange sparrow]

Inquisition aren’t great in sharing

How about you share us all the Plasteel on the ship

[granite dove]

Sharing is caring are you telling me the imperium doesn't care for little ol me

[mortal shore]

How about they give us a bar area.

[pearl sapphire]

How about you cope with your lack of power cycler 4?

[mortal shore]

So I can ACTUALLY engage in all the alcohol fuelled shenanigans that the ambient messages onboard the Mourningstar occasionally acuse us of partaking in.

I am tired of shouldering all the blame, but receiving none of the booze!

[granite dove]

There is one squat on the ship drinking all the booze

[pearl sapphire]

There was a guy in my mourningstar yesterday called “GayRàpist”

[mortal shore]

Oufth.

[granite dove]

Lmao

I wish we could change names

[pearl sapphire]

Yes

[granite dove]

Incase I put somthing too spicy

On my high level character that I don't want to grind for anymore

[mortal shore]

But yah, off to try and make a MK13g.

[pearl sapphire]

I’d change my og vet from jimmy to blueberry bob and wear nothing but blue

[granite dove]

My ogryn is called MoleLester and there is nothing I can do about it lmao

Also being able to change voices would be very handy

[pearl sapphire]

I met a dude in the mourningstar called shitjuice a week or two ago

“Shitjuice”

[granite dove]

My ogryn is molelester
My psyker is HugeWang
And my zaelot is MikeOxlong and I can't change the fucking names!!!

[bright cliff]

i disliked my zealot voice and name so I just leveled a new one

[terse idol]

I'm suprised some of these names aren't vetted... yet

[granite dove]

See I don't have the patience for that

[terse idol]

Cause whew some of them

[pearl sapphire]

I’ve got a pal who’s vet is whoreace hersy

[granite dove]

I just wanna larp sometimes

[terse idol]

Now who's fault is that

[pearl sapphire]

He made it like 10 minutes after I showed him this

[granite dove]

Fatshark for not letting change the names

[terse idol]

Just pick a proper name to begin with smmmhh

[terse idol]

One funny guardsmen shows up:

[granite dove]

But I wanna be a silly little guy sometimes

Volkite laser would be a pretty fun weapon

[shadow aurora]

This made me puke

[strange sparrow]

karlack twin taught me that 4 ogryn always win

Now we just need chaos space marine

[granite dove]

I beat them on damnation with 0 ogryns because zaelots are too angry to die

[strange grove]

ty for my Christmas present Hadron

[wet elk]

lowest mobility i ever seen

[tranquil basalt]

Wonder if its possible to draw a 2 on all stats

[granite dove]

Damn

[umbral scaffold]

hot

[shadow aurora]

You gotta build that

Itd be funny

[strange sparrow]

Hot

[crude ermine]

That zarona is so heavy only someone like cark Kent can run with it

[swift narwhal]

what curios should i run with veteran? im currently running 1 health 1 stamina 1 toughness

found the extra stamina nice for melee block / pushes

[crude ermine]

I like running 2 toughness with a health

[agile yew]

Best build + weapons for fresh veteran that just hit lvl 30? (linking guide is fine instead of writing essay)

[brisk sapphire]

Power sword VI and plasma are your best weapons

[strange sparrow]

Run 3 Toughness to exploit the most out of IronWill and VoC

[swift narwhal]

if i run left tree, still 3 toughness?

[strange sparrow]

Nah if you don't get IronWill
HP would be better overall

Stamina + HP

If you're ballsy, 2 HP + 1 Stamina
If you don't feel comfortable, 1 HP 1 Wounds and 1 stamina is balance

especially you're running left tree

[south garnet]

+3 stam x 3

[woeful ibex]

hey guys

What time did the Skin rotation started when Fatshark released the rogue trader skins?

[cinder wadi]

What happens when 2 vets with focus target ping the same target?

[woeful ibex]

max stacking is still 8

it doesnt go over

[cinder wadi]

oh but they don't overwrite each other?

just combine stacks until 8?

[woeful ibex]

yeah

Noticed it with a friend of mine

[cinder wadi]

and for solo if I ping a target with my 5 stacks and then ping them again will they get 6?

[terse idol]

No, they have their own separate

But they will give the team seperate stacks of the sub nodes

So like

If you ping an elite with 8 stacks and your friend pings them with 8 stacks

It dies

You both gain the extra damage buff from both

At least that's what it seems to be on the UI

[cinder wadi]

hmmmm

[terse idol]

Cause you can see the both the stacks

Seperate

[cinder wadi]

ok but if you ping a target with default stacks (5) can it get more after or it stays with 5 until it's killed?

[terse idol]

You can ping it again and it'll change the value to what you pinged it at

So yeah

If you pinged a boss at 3, and you ping it again when you have 8, you'll give it 8

It'll overwrite

[sharp ember]

and your stacks do not get consumed until you have more than the current amount on the enemy

[cinder wadi]

oh?

[terse idol]

Really?
I thought it just over wrote the value you pinged it at last

[sharp ember]

so you don’t accidentally retag and reset your stack count

[terse idol]

Like if you had 8 stacks on a boss, pinged an elite, then pinged the boss at 2 stacks you'd give it 2 stacks

Oooh

Or err

Lordy

If you gave a boss 8

Then pinged it again

At 2 stacks

It doesn't overwrite the 8?

[sharp ember]

yeah that’s right

[terse idol]

Noice

[sharp ember]

it just refreshes the old bigger stack

[cinder wadi]

ah ok well that answers it

you can't add to stacks cuz it doesn't let you apply unless you have more then current

And you can't reset them either

[sharp ember]

yeah, you can’t additively mash ping because it doesn’t add up +1 +1 +1

[cinder wadi]

ok

but why is it then that I've seen vets spam ping on already pinged target and it just flashes the skull icon

does it just reset the ping?

Is it a ping macro at work?

[sharp ember]

a bit of both

it resets the ping duration

[ebon cove]

Which one should I buy?

[sharp ember]

and some vets just really want you to know that enemy is there

[cinder wadi]

Xd

[sharp ember]

and some vets keybinded ping to left click

[cinder wadi]

WAIT

[quasi socket]

because "bind ping to left click is smart"

[cinder wadi]

That's kinda big brain

[sharp ember]

which is not only annoying, but a bad idea

[quasi socket]

no

[cinder wadi]

no?

[quasi socket]

its annoying

it makes me feel like i have a kid in the group crying wolf every 2 seconds

[sharp ember]

because if you fight an elite pack, you will spam and switch your ping between enemies and waste stacks

[cinder wadi]

true

[paper flax]

r8 my cadian sniper rifle

[cinder wadi]

Although I will admit it makes me waste like half second to ping an enemy cuz I use default settings

[cinder wadi]

idk if the 69% is for the memes but just a lil more and it can probs one shot carapace ogryns

[paper flax]

Will probably try to god roll one at level 30

Not sure if the hand-cannon counts for the first hit, or if it's applied as a debuff for subsequent hits?

[brisk sapphire]

First shot fired

Lucky you got surgical/HC before even reaching lvl 30

You can see the buff icon at the bottom building as youre ADS

Essentially playing like you have boomer reactions is better than quick scoping with surgical revolver

[sharp ember]

default ping is middle click? personally i use T like i did for vermintide

more comfortable for me to hit quickly while fighting

or mash to warn of a patrol

[terse idol]

Its bettern

I mean its mouse 3

Better than spam pinging
And Imo spam pinging just isn't useful

[swift narwhal]

what blessings are good on that? i think im satisfied with the perks itsefl beside carapace mayb

[sharp ember]

Dumdum blessing highly recommended to increase close range damage

Carapace should be Flak

[terse idol]

low critical bonus

pre-70 damage
pre-70 penetration

🥹

I mean the blessings are saving it

[umbral scaffold]

Can’t wait for new poxhound elite to come out

[sharp ember]

without Onslaught, infantry autoguns do only like 2% damage against carapace armor, not worth dedicating an entire perk to them

[swift narwhal]

oof.. i only have dumdum on tier II

still worth?

i suppose i exchange barrage

[sharp ember]

yeah, still good

[slate sleet]

you are not killing a carapace enemy with a full auto

[swift narwhal]

yea i know it just, rolled that way

[slate sleet]

graia is the middle road of infantry auto so its best used against specials

[white minnow]

no particular middle-in-the-roads besides breakpoints

[slate sleet]

you need 2 damage blessings on it or its unsusable on damnation

i think its unsusable period

[white minnow]

graia and agri have the same dps and armour ADMs with the main difference being breakpoints

[slate sleet]

the issue with these high fire rate high ammo guns is that they are incredibly whiny when it comes to ping, hit reg and lag in general

[sharp ember]

i like graia as a slightly more gentle alternative to agri, ramps up dumdum faster too

imo dumdum is the only blessing that is a must-have blessing for IAGs

[slate sleet]

the good thing about vet is that you can take any piece of shit gun and make it do work

[sharp ember]

the 2nd blessing can be literally whatever and still be fine in normal damnations

[slate sleet]

its just not going to be good in actual endgame situations

auric mael with hard modifiers needs guns that delete something instantly

if your group is not all gamers

if you have a premade that knows how to play you can run around with a 1% dmg graia it wont really matter

[strange sparrow]

Me on my way to gamble 2 more Psword

[slate sleet]

psword sucks

get on the shovel train

[mortal shore]

Here's hoping Nahcies, I am rooting for your good fortune.

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaaaa-screaming-aa-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-gif-20486559

[slate sleet]

thats fine

[slate sleet]

just change the blessings

[strange sparrow]

STILL NO PCYCLE AAA

[strange sparrow]

Im 16 Psword in

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/518070716235644938/816725964528681029/image0-2-1-1.gif

[umbral scaffold]

i honestly think they can now change the powersword to be a charge based item

would make it more seen and saught after

[slate sleet]

just level a bunch of alts to 30

and check stores on all of them :^)

[umbral scaffold]

nah im talking the design of the sword

[sharp ember]

at least you have keeper swords prepared to add PC4 to

[strange sparrow]

Fuck that

[umbral scaffold]

running it is fine yes but forced to have one blessing to make it a pwoer sword is bad imo

[strange sparrow]

The only one blessing to make Psword great

it's either shit or god

[slate sleet]

mk3 shovel takes a dump on psword

[sharp ember]

but uhh yeah having a weapon only be useable when you have this one specific blessing with no alternatives is not good design

[slate sleet]

ive used both and shovel is way more fun

[umbral scaffold]

i didnt mind the nerf but the newer melees are competing and rn the things for melee that need buffing is the ogryns mace thumper melee , and the psword and devil claw "the reason i say devil claw is cause of its flak damage and cleave damage being a bit too low in general not saying its bad its super effective just needs a small nudge imo"

[cinder wadi]

what do you guys like to run on the Kantrel las pistol? (blessings/perks wise)

[sharp ember]

Flak + Maniac
Dumdum + Ghost/Infernus

[slate sleet]

las pistol is perfect for stealth builds because you can put raking fire on it

[sharp ember]

oh yeah raking is okay too

[slate sleet]

its a high mobility weapon overall

only reason to use one really

[sharp ember]

i prefer to shoot my heretics in the forehead when they're just slightly out of melee reach

[slate sleet]

use stealth to get into position and shoot stuff in the back for that sweet 40% more dmg

[sharp ember]

mostly to feed Weapon Specialist

[slate sleet]

ok? just use a normal lasgun

why do you need a pistol for that sort of playstyle

[eternal sable]

6.7k enemies staggered

[slate sleet]

i guess its good for mobility melee wep specialist vet with shout too but much better choices for that

[eternal sable]

thats called disruption

[celest ruin]

Does onslaught make the recon lasguns work better vs flak/heavier stuff ?

[eternal sable]

good tip furnace

dont use the recon lasgun

no matter what anyone in here tells you, its not close to being a good weapon

[fiery lagoon]

recon lasgun for the las pistol players who want full auto

[hearty panther]

||test||

wow thats it

[eternal sable]

but it has much less impact that a las pistol

[hearty panther]

i cant believe it took me months to figure that out

[eternal sable]

a las pistol is better than a recon lasgun

dont use that shit and do yourself a favor

[celest ruin]

I know, but getting 31% brittleness in like half a second can't be bad, can it ?

[fiery lagoon]

honestly, technically yes.

[eternal sable]

no furnace

thats not your job

your just is to kill and the recon cant do that

ogryn/psyker apply brittleness

[slate sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/russell-westbrook-nba-okc-thunder-what-huh-gif-5070054

[paper flax]

poxhounds being mulch gang would explain a lot

[sharp ember]

it makes it better, still a bad weapon tho

[slate sleet]

you do know vet is the absolute best enabler in the game right?

[eternal sable]

back to lurking but dont take advice from anyone here

and dont use recon unless youre mentally ill

[slate sleet]

mark target + onslaught is like 50% increased dmg for the whole team

[fiery lagoon]

wouldn't that include you though

[eternal sable]

im a much better player than most

[celest ruin]

Good thing I am 👍

[eternal sable]

so i can say what i want

[fiery lagoon]

sussy baka

[slate sleet]

do you have any proofs to back it up?

[sharp ember]

assuming your team's weapon choices aren't already 100% effective against the target for brittleness

[fiery lagoon]

he has the "trust me bro" power, have faith in him

[celest ruin]

Isn't the average player unable to play the hardest difficulty anyways ? Being better than most basically just means knowing how the mechanics work

[fiery lagoon]

but it is true recon lasguns is one that needs help

[celest ruin]

Ik it's not good I just like how it looks and want to make it as viable as possible
Plus when it gets buffed I'll be unstoppable

[slate sleet]

voice of command vet has like 5 skills that you can easily get that give your team dmg, mark target for 32% and infernus recon for making big targets feel like normal enemies

[hearty panther]

recon is 'fine'

[fiery lagoon]

it works but lots of weapons do it better, shooting at armored targets is one of the worst things you can do with it

[slate sleet]

is it the ideal way to play? no not really? is it fun to enable people to do well? yes it is

[hearty panther]

yea

play it like a shredder autopistol

dont play it like a headhunter

maybe one day they'll give them a proper role though

i wish they'd revert what they did to the 6d at least

it had something going on with its reverse fall-off

now it has nothing

[slate sleet]

recon is already good and has its own role

with a proper build you can go days without reloading it

[eternal sable]

if youre mentally ill

LOL

[fiery lagoon]

idk about "good" tbh

[sharp ember]

6d reverse falloff had to go, it was destroying kantrael lasguns at all ranges, the real travesty was Shocktrooper nerf

[hearty panther]

lmao

no

shocktrooper was the travesty

[slate sleet]

vet makes every gun good its kinda the point of the class

[hearty panther]

there's no universe where having bottomless fucking ammo is 'fine'

[eternal sable]

not the recon

[torn root]

yes, but making shit into good shit doesn't change the fact its shit

lmao

[slate sleet]

major plasma brainrot takes going on here

[sharp ember]

it's fine if your sustained dps and stagger power is trash, which recon currently is

[slate sleet]

NOOOO IT DOES NOT 1 SHOT EVERYTHING INSTANTLY ITS BAD

[hearty panther]

it certainly was not at the time

[torn root]

not waht im saying

[sharp ember]

yeah because reverse falloff was a thing

[hearty panther]

and my statement remains true anyway, bottomless ammo economy is stupid

[torn root]

out of all the guns to use it was one of the worse feeling

[fiery lagoon]

I use the las pistols and those don't one shot. carpal syndrome giver though

[hearty panther]

fatshark, all i wanted for christmas was Survivalist gutted from the tree and its bloody carcass gifted before me

[sharp ember]

on that note, Survivalist should die for ammo balance design

yeah

[hearty panther]

even the uh

[slate sleet]

yea they should just all in on the braindead melee + shoot sometimes gameplay

[hearty panther]

the Recon II was fucking demolishing shit during that goofy little month

it was a few things

[slate sleet]

fuck people who want to shoot their gun as a primary way of playing

[hearty panther]

the reverse damage fall off was not the big problem there

but they decided to fix it to give all the Recons an even identity

[slate sleet]

you should be forced to melee everything and sometimes shoot

[idle carbon]

slap 0.75% survivalist in that 25 toughness node right before the grenades
remake the sharpshooter aura as something like 10-15% ranged finesse
done

[hearty panther]

and wow i wish they fucking didnt yknow

[slate sleet]

we totally didnt have enough of this on all the ranged classes in v2

[torn root]

in a game that wants you to shoot, how dare you try to default to doing that and only that

[hearty panther]

i hate that argument kuro

because if you want a class that's 'the shooter'

[celest ruin]

Hey, they finally nerfed javelin !

[hearty panther]

then give him a skill for HIMSELF that makes his ammo less limited

[celest ruin]

After like

years

[sharp ember]

you don't get it bro
i NEED to shoot those 2 idle poxwalkers with my plasma

[hearty panther]

not a skill that makes EVERYONE IN YOUR TEAM a fucking shooter

[slate sleet]

the game wants you to melee

[fiery lagoon]

plasma is built diff tho

[slate sleet]

everything is built around melee

like it was in v2

[fiery lagoon]

everything just dies to plasma

[slate sleet]

plasma is cancer and needs nerfs

invalidates every ranged wep in the game

[fiery lagoon]

I'd rather they buff other weapons than nerf the plasma

[white minnow]

kickback ogryns evidently need some love

[celest ruin]

The issue with plasma is that rn it's actually lore-accurate
As in it's waaay better than any other gun in the game lmfao

[hearty panther]

give them 200 reserve ammo

[white minnow]

hell yeah

[sharp ember]

does the soundless bug count as a nerf

[fiery lagoon]

plasma was so shit back then and bolter was the go to. now its the reverse

[hearty panther]

does for me cause i havent used it since lol

[shadow aurora]

Isnt kickback in a really strong spot rn

[slate sleet]

plasma should be a much slower weapon

[sharp ember]

yeah, and survivalist lets them shoot it the entire match

[slate sleet]

so it feels like a heavy weapon you pull out, charge up and annhilate everything with

[celest ruin]

It got nerfed a bit but it's still the best ogryn weapon if you're not going full gun-lugger in most cases

[shadow aurora]

Thats what i thought

[white minnow]

ye i'm just being cheeky

[celest ruin]

||Ogryn players kinda over-rate it though, most ogryn guns are more than playable||

[shadow aurora]

MAN im so smart

[white minnow]

donate to your local ogryn by taking survivalist

be the change in the world

[fiery lagoon]

its cuz kickback is braindead and handles most targets easily

[sharp ember]

Nerfed Plasma Gun by increasing the equip speed with an entire Canticle of Safe Operation ritual that takes 15 seconds

[fiery lagoon]

I've seen ogryns use it for literally everything including that random dreg 5 feet away surrounded by 3 rejects

[sharp ember]

that or we go tabletop accurate and add a 1/6 chance to instantly die

[vernal zinc]

Do you guys think they’re gonna add meltas and such to the game

[fiery lagoon]

the old darktide plasma was tabletop accurate. Using it usually meant death

[sharp ember]

og plasma users remember building HP curios to burn hp when venting

[vernal zinc]

And human wieldabke heavy weapons

[sharp ember]

ignoring current balance, too bad there isn't really a point to charging shots right now

[fiery lagoon]

you could charge to go through certain walls but that's about it, I think.

[hearty panther]

nah what i remember with OG Plasma

[sharp ember]

i think it still increases wallbang depth

[hearty panther]

was trying to get the right Thermal Resistence roll

and venting inbetween every single light shot

staying below that sweet 37% sweet spot

[sharp ember]

wouldn't mind of the depth penetration was increased heavily to give charge shots a purpose

since it's not for dps

not right now

[slate sleet]

plasma should be really slow to take out and handle but it should absolutely clear a full coridor of everything

[hearty panther]

it's for opportunities

when you have a moment where everything is about to line up

[slate sleet]

instead of what it is now where you can chop some guy up whip it out instantly to shoot a shot that makes no sound or projectile while deleting everything

[sharp ember]

and even then, not that huge of a gain over dumping uncharged shots into the same patrol

[slate sleet]

also wtf did they do to bolter it feels awful to use

i tried to kill a dog with it yesterday and it did no damage and just tossed it around

[vernal zinc]

Really ? I feel no difference

[sharp ember]

lack of pinning fire + bolt rounds deal reduced infested damage

[fiery lagoon]

they nerfed the bolter a long time ago but hasn't been considered since the class tree rework

[vernal zinc]

Though tbh I only use it against hordes and monsters

It absolutely eats through the plaguryn

[hearty panther]

they technically never nerfed the bolter

they nerfed pinning fire

[patent swift]

Bolter is great if you can backline. Kinda rough solo

[hearty panther]

and they made vet changes

it's sorta funny

just a lot of shit around the bolter changed

[vernal zinc]

Yep

[hearty panther]

and now it's too unwieldy

[fiery lagoon]

its still good but the fact that trashmobs can just eat up the shots and it takes forever to reload sucks

[hearty panther]

i always fucking hated it anyway so no loss for me

[vernal zinc]

When a boss comes I usually let the zealot and ogryn distract while I unload

[hardy ember]

With the Scion armor shown off from a data mine let’s hope for a hellgun to be added

[vernal zinc]

No melta first

[oblique horizon]

Hellgun

[fiery lagoon]

new weapons would be nice. I think we're saturated enough with the weapon marks

[vernal zinc]

Agreed

[hardy ember]

Hellgun for a veteran player to play as a proper gunner role with overwhelming firepower. Ogryn covers that role.

[vernal zinc]

A melta would be actually pretty cool for the veteran

[oblique horizon]

Next update from FS would be around end of January, yeah?

[strange sparrow]

Why people here are into CBT-ing themselves

[fiery lagoon]

CBT-ing?

[sharp ember]

closed beta testing?

those guys are under NDA so they can't leak anything

[strange sparrow]

Yall want nerf upon Veteran

Like why

[vernal zinc]

A melta would be good for crowds

[fiery lagoon]

since when do we want nerfs

[vernal zinc]

Slow but absolutely shreds

[strange sparrow]

I read like 20 line of text up there

[vernal zinc]

And good against armour

[strange sparrow]

Gut the Survialist Aura because Bottom Less Shooter

[terse idol]

Melta gonna be for zealot

I'm betting

We gonna get longlas

[mortal shore]

And it's gonna be long-ass.

[slate sleet]

we really need more unusable long range weapons for vet i think

[terse idol]

It'll he fiiiine

[strange sparrow]

We really need a map that make Veteran Shine

[terse idol]

Hey Come on Kantrael is useable

Revolver

[fiery lagoon]

its memes.

[slate sleet]

i love trying to use volley fire and having to stop because the door behind me i didnt even know existed just spawned 6 pipers

[vernal zinc]

If the zealot gets the melta im switching over

[icy orchid]

need a bit of help with weapon crafting

[icy orchid]

ditto

anyways. I made this thing while looking for PC but the blessings ended up being really good

This is my current powersword

[fiery lagoon]

Isn't executioner's stance the new volley fire

[icy orchid]

do I change slaughterer out for PC?

[patent swift]

Nothing worse, or the ogyrn walking in front of you

[slate sleet]

it is i just can never remmber what its called

[sharp ember]

1 ammo recovery tool being the difference between another class' gun being OK to Incredible because they're dependent on it is kinda not great

[strange sparrow]

Yea

[sharp ember]

because they're going to expect it from you, and not let you use any other playstyle

[slate sleet]

i literally never run ammo regen aura

[mortal shore]

In my darkest moments, dealing with people who constantly mess with my lines of fire, I want Vermintide style Friendly Fire back.

[slate sleet]

5% more dmg is way better for voc vet

[strange sparrow]

I never have problem doing damage for Vet, Only Toughness and not enough Ammo