veteran-class

[sand oracle]

Gotta appease the Krieg fanboys.

[bitter turtle]

Still good though

[thick fossil]

Yeah, but I don't quite need unlimited ammo, I need to get rid of all the ranged threats ASAP. And even the Mk II helbore struggles with this, unless I bring exec stance.

[bitter turtle]

Just not stupid levels

[thick fossil]

But exec stance is just kinda there to make bad weapons better.

[sand oracle]

I think your issue there is spacing - or your team not backing you up.

[tall torrent]

Last patch it used to be top 3 melee weapons in the game

[bitter turtle]

Why do you need exec

Just shoot them

[thick fossil]

To one shot gunners without charging

[bitter turtle]

Do you not run onslaught?

The blessing

[tall torrent]

Not really HB2 one taps most enemies

[bitter turtle]

The charge on mk2 should be fast

[sand oracle]

Yeah that kinda sounds like a bad helbore

Even helbore 3 charges in a 1/3rd a second if you're running onslaught.

[thick fossil]

Can "good" Hellbores Mk2 one tap dreg gunners without charging?

[tall torrent]

Why’re you using helbore lasguns without charging

[bitter turtle]

Again why do you refuse to charge

[sand oracle]

Why are you not charging...?

lmao

[bitter turtle]

The charge is super fast if you have onslaught on the gun

[tiny summit]

I will use it as my main melee in a mission when things get close and only really swap to push bursters

[sand oracle]

Three people posted the same thing within a milisecond of each other.

[thick fossil]

Because I want to get rid of all the ranged threats asap, with exec stance I can do that.

Wihout charging

I don't like exec stance.

[bitter turtle]

Then just play vraks7

[sand oracle]

You'd do it better, and more efficient, if you charged.

[tiny summit]

Uses charge weapon and refuses to use charge...

[bitter turtle]

Helbore are supposed to be charged

[sand oracle]

^

[bitter turtle]

And have the edge of punching through carapace compared to v7

[sand oracle]

It's not /for/ taking ALL ranged threats immediately.

[bitter turtle]

But if you don't want to charge

Then just v7

[sand oracle]

It's to kill the -scary- ranged shit.

[thick fossil]

This is why I don't like them.

[sand oracle]

Leave the gunners and shooters for last.

[bitter turtle]

Just use v7 then

[sand oracle]

Then IDK use an autogun or laspistol.

[thick fossil]

V7??

[sand oracle]

v7 works great too.

[bitter turtle]

Vraks7

[sand oracle]

Headhunter autogun

[sand oracle]

Headhunter 3 works well too.

[bitter turtle]

This is my avg v7 game

[thick fossil]

Ohhh god

[bitter turtle]

Look at the ranged elites killed lol

It can be built to one tap all gunners

And has a fast fire rate and relatively big clip

Compared to hb it's very bad at carapace tho

[thick fossil]

Ohh no.

[tall torrent]

HB2 takes out targets faster than infantry lasguns in my experience
Extremely reliable 1-2 shot kills, can kill every target in the game (unlike infantry lasguns which suck vs flak), has better bodyshot damage, works as a melee weapon (a very strong one at that), and never runs out of ammo

[bitter turtle]

But if all u care about is killing gunners

I strongly recommend v7

No exec needed

[thick fossil]

Headhunters, now that's a can of worms even I don't want to mess with. That maniac damage is just something else.

[tiny summit]

Helbore mk1 supremacy

[tall torrent]

Even if all you care about is killing gunners, helbore outperforms infantry lasguns because you can do rapid follow-up shots on them even if you don’t 1 tap on headshots, and they maintain gunner 1 tap at all ranges

Infantry lasguns are headshot or none

[junior needle]

Alright, burn tick rate is supposedly 0.5 seconds, so 12 infernus stack infernus would add 402 dps to unyielding if that's correct

[tiny summit]

With onslaught the pace of the charge shots is just like...lining up the next head to shoot.

[thick fossil]

I just like to do stuff fast

[tall torrent]

HB2 handles mass gunners very quickly & efficiently

[thick fossil]

Swap into melee fast, snipe targets fast.

[bitter turtle]

Hb2 already charges fast

And why are you swapping

[tall torrent]

Remember that HB lasguns don’t take suppression debuff at all

[bitter turtle]

You got your pokey stick

[tall torrent]

And don’t even need to swap to melee

[thick fossil]

I don't swap with helbore.

[tall torrent]

Bayonet is one of the strongest melee weapons in the game

[thick fossil]

I like to swap

No horizontal attacks.

[tall torrent]

The only enemies u don’t kill with bayonet effectively are maulers & crushers which u can just shoot

[bitter turtle]

Screen drag

[sharp ember]

i would swap kantrael flashlight for a bayonet in a heartbeat

[bitter turtle]

For bayonet aoe

[tiny summit]

Darktide proving spears to be a OP weapon of war

[tall torrent]

“Gun on a spear” is peak imperial weaponry

[tiny summit]

In the grimdark of the 41st millennium: fuck you spear user

[thick fossil]

Also bayonet attacks do not count as melee, so any melee talent related does not benefit from it.

Bayonet is amazing don't get me wrong.

[tiny summit]

Don't care. I stunlock rager packs to death

[bitter turtle]

Yes they do, agile engagement actually works unless they patched that too lol

[tall torrent]

It counts as melee and melee talents benefit them

[thick fossil]

Is just I like fast, helbore a bit slow.

[tall torrent]

Agile engagement works for bayonet

+melee dmg talents benefit bayonet

In fact brutal momentum (from your actual melee weapon) benefits bayonet

[junior needle]

They didn't remove that yet?

[bitter turtle]

Give me back limbsplitter

Nah

Bm still works

[thick fossil]

Are you positive?

[tiny summit]

They took limbsplitter.

[bitter turtle]

And it should stay that way >:(

[tall torrent]

Yes lol

You can go test in meat grinder rn

[bitter turtle]

It 100 percent works

[fossil basalt]

It do be busted lol

[bitter turtle]

Melee talents

[tall torrent]

What the bayonet dmg is between having and not having 10% melee dmg

[bitter turtle]

And I tested bm post patch

It still works for sure

[tiny summit]

Helbore's deserve melee blessings to fluff up your roll pulls even more

[bitter turtle]

I would do it

Fuck the gun

Praise the spear

[fossil basalt]

I wish the Helbore III had a better swing

[tiny summit]

Make it a pickaxe/halberd that's actually good

[fossil basalt]

Swing is fine, but it needs to be better

[terse idol]

I could have sworn it inheretis some melee blessings

[tall torrent]

It should stay tbh
It’s not that broken

[terse idol]

Its how you can find videos of someone stabbing a BON to death

[thick fossil]

Eeeey it does work with melee stuff, I should test stuff before believing random comments.

[bitter turtle]

It does

Bm

[terse idol]

[bitter turtle]

Used to do limbsplitter too

[tall torrent]

U can even build no respite on HB for memes

[bitter turtle]

But that got patched

[terse idol]

[bitter turtle]

I actually run no respite on my hb2 lol

For the bayonet

No respite/onslaught

Who needs surgical

[tiny summit]

May try that when I get my perfect hb1

Hb2 gonna shoot fast enough to not even make use of surgical so why not?

[bitter turtle]

That was the questionable logic I applied in my decision yes

I also run kraks

Lol

Otherwise crushers become a lot more annoying

[tiny summit]

Been liking kraks less.

[bitter turtle]

I usually don't run them

Shredders are too good

But the bayonets only weakness is carapace so

It helps

Lul

Also reaches agile engagement more easily down the middle

And I don't need survivalist

[gusty bison]

Think of the gunlugger ogryns thou

Feed an ogryn today

[bitter turtle]

If they can't make do while I'm picking up 0 ammo then that is their problem

[tiny summit]

Nobody needs survivalist but like...unless you're doing something specific or there's another vet with it, it's free ammo. I like shooting. I like free ammo. So I run survivalist. Simple as.

Helbore vets with shocktrooper essentially goes "no thanks" to ammo

[bitter turtle]

And I meant I don't need survivalist for meme bayonet build

With optional gun attached

[tiny summit]

Gib full on rifle spear fatshark

[thick fossil]

I'm always surprised by the amount of people that love Helbores, but I barely see them in game (at least in Damnation and Auric), yet I keep seeing shredder pistols run rampant but no people on discord or steam to back them up.

[bitter turtle]

I don't like helbore

I just like the bayonet

[thick fossil]

I'm exactly on the same boat.

[tiny summit]

Helbore is charge. Semi-auto. Headshots are where it shines and slow swap time. What isn't to be surprised about? I would expect more people to go more full auto dakka over the paced charged rifles

Actually technically helbores are now full auto because you can hold the trigger down to keep firing

Just you know...have to charge till it times out its shot.

[thick fossil]

Yeah, this makes perfect sense yet there is always a bunch of people willing to defend the Helbore even if in game they are quite rare. But the shredder pistol? It is quite rare to see people saying it's "the best gun in the game" even if it is all over the place.

[tiny summit]

Because we have become fanboys of a beloved and satisfying weapon you need to aim a lil with. Shredder or columnus? It just works. What's to talk about?

[gusty bison]

The most common guns will be the easiest guns to pick up

Not necessarily the best

See the MG12 for the longest time lmao

[carmine bronze]

i use it in my sniper build

pretty much almost one hits most things

issues comes down to the fact it not made for wave clear

onlt piroity target take downs

only*

there just guns that do both better

[bitter turtle]

You know what is made for wave clear

The bayonet on it

:^)

[forest scaffold]

merry cirshmas sahs 🎄

[tiny summit]

I use my bayonet for the horde. Some positioning and who needs my melee. As long as I'm not circled it does fine

[tiny summit]

Merry Christmas. Did you roast a heretic in the fireplace?

[sudden dome]

I can use the helbore and get a few ranged kills off while having to constantly swap OR I can use a powersword and revolver, constantly murder hordes and swap to quick snipe the randoms that appear and never slow down for that stupid full second swap time

[forest scaffold]

No, but I had some madagascar rum, a lot of indian food

and uh

got a sick ass comfortable shirt from my cousin

[sudden dome]

while also getting constant damage buffs from swapping

[forest scaffold]

I love indian food 🤤

[serene bough]

Merry Christmas

[tiny summit]

I mean you don't need to swap with helbore

[torn root]

what mod is that?

[sudden dome]

the only time your weapon choices really matter are bosses and mixed hordes, and there is no way Im going to just bayostab things in a mixed horde so Im stuck with my powersword murdering everything way faster but no way to swap out

which gives me plasma guns, revolvers or shotguns and revolvers are the best choice with a powersword, Id rather take a dclaw with the plasma as a defensive option

shotguns suck

[sharp ember]

debuff indicator

[tiny summit]

I bayo stab mixed hordes. Works great and can shoot in the middle of the stabbing

[terse idol]

Shotguns are fiiine

[torn root]

oh nvm that doesn't work with guns

ty tho

[sudden dome]

revolvers have almost the same ammo, more damage, better crit stuff, and only the agri has a good secondary (the kant is meh and the lawbringer is trash) which is still worse than the revolver and needs to be manually loaded instead of loading every time I kill something and swap to it

[tiny summit]

Shotguns make more noise and fun

[frail maple]

Kantrael with No Respite and Scattershot is a beast, one of my favorites

[terse idol]

Law bringer is fine vs hordes which revolver just doesn't deal with

Ah I dunno I'm like

Sooo over revolver 😭

[sudden dome]

why would I need my ranged weapon to deal with chaff when I have a free kill 20 things button on my power sword

[viscid vessel]

Imagine using a power sword.

[terse idol]

Because variety™️

[quasi jetty]

Merry Sanguinala, you crazy karkers! Keep your aim sharp and your faith true!

[terse idol]

Which that's the problem with current balance discussions

[midnight totem]

well jesus that was a ripoff

[terse idol]

If something isn't better than the best weapons its bad

[midnight totem]

damnation mission with high intensity specialist strike squads

2 chaos spawn within 30 seconds of each other

[torn root]

welcome to the internet and meta slaves

[midnight totem]

and not being able to see within a damn foot infront of us

[torn root]

ppl rather use whats the best to succeed and have more fun from winning instead of losing by saccing viability

[midnight totem]

we managed to complete it in style, but got less then 600 plasteel total

[torn root]

not rlly a bad thing tho

[tiny summit]

Because shooting is fun and I have ammo

[sudden dome]

Just waiting for my god rolled rashad so I can finally do what powersword does without needing to press an extra button

if Im bringing a horde weapon Im bringing the graia braced

with the attack speed buff from weapon spec its dumb how fast it shoots

[bitter turtle]

Why would you not bayostab a mixed horde

It's literally a top melee weapon

The stagger on it is insane

[naive hatch]

Is this okay for a semi-auto? What would need tweaking?

[sudden dome]

doesnt kill fast enough, doesnt stagger things in a wide cleave, back when I only used dclaw it was pretty good but now that Ive seen the horde clear weapon side I cant go back

[bitter turtle]

Bayonet cam unironically charge into a Rager pack and spam special action and come out on top

[tiny summit]

You can do better but if it's what you got it's what you got.

[terse idol]

I know... I am one

🥹

But I've just gotten bored

[sudden dome]

ok, powersword can unironically do the same thing press a button and 2 shot them all

[terse idol]

Gotta find the interesting weapons cough not recon
And see what woorks

[terse idol]

Yes the weapon that is op is OP

😭

[naive hatch]

I know stat distribution sucks lol. I'm hunting a replacement. Are the blessings okay? What perks would you recommend?

[sudden dome]

I dont know what the meta is, Ive been playing for a month Im just using the weapons that feel best to me

[tiny summit]

Um actually you can make recon work! 🤓

[sudden dome]

there isnt even like a website you can go for tiers just random guides

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kitty-yeet-funny-gif-21938191

[sudden dome]

and some of the best feeling weapons have like 3 guides total

[terse idol]

I mean, to be fair vet chat is your guide channel

[tiny summit]

Yea it's fine. Hunt for a better one with 2 dmg types over reload but those are the blessings you want

[terse idol]

It just turns into general consensus

Word of mouth

Guides are just that

😌

Cause any singular guide is just

[bitter turtle]

This was pre ljmbsplitter nerf but you can unironically top frag with bayonet only in auric mael

[naive hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/legion-geth-mass-effect-shock-amazed-gif-8578526

[terse idol]

One persons opinion

[bitter turtle]

Goddammit didn't copy properly

#veteran-class message

It's still a top melee

[sudden dome]

the best part of helbore is the bayo into shooting lets you get the 25% damage buff

because you killed with melee

I need to roll a nice mk2 before I totally give up on them though

mk1 was bad mk3 turned out to be trash

[tiny summit]

Mk1 supremacy

Mk3 is the crusher killer

[sudden dome]

so the fastest charge is going to be the one that will be closest to what I want

[bitter turtle]

I did that with a shit rolled mk2 btw

[sudden dome]

oh yea trashes crushers and bosses

[tiny summit]

I don't like mk2's pace. I like the pace of mk1's shooting

[sudden dome]

Sorry but I fully believe a good player can use grey weapons and get like 30 offensive points more than me so a random graphic isnt going to get me to hop on

[bitter turtle]

OK fair

But I'm saying with a well rolled psword

Bayonet is unironically better in some ways

[sudden dome]

oh yea it 2 shots ragers to the face

its great but I just need that stagger cleave

its like until death on zealot, a crutch I need right now

[bitter turtle]

You just need to use bromentum and screen dragging for cleave

Only weakness of bayonet is crushers which psword does excel over it very hard

But one can argue bayonet mobility is much better too since it has that knife like quirk of speeding up with charged heavies

[sudden dome]

I havent fought a crusher in forever, even packs of 5 I can just throw 2 kraks and move on

the last time I had a pack of 10+ was on zealot and I just dclaw parried them

while my team lured them 1-2 at a time to them

[hallow moat]

Merry Christmas from grandfather nurgle to all

[stuck jay]

Merry xmas

[thick rose]

if it was merry, melk would have a power cycler 4 for me 😠

[winter widget]

When was this released in the game?

[terse idol]

Not yet

[winter widget]

Oh. I thought I missed it

[torn root]

fear of missiing out

fomo btw

[terse idol]

in all honesty they need to add in the shop timer

[sharp ember]

i legitimately believe they just have someone manually change it every 2 weeks

and silently gives them the right to delay for whatever reason

[frank ether]

nah just add a pin saying the items will likely reappear

[torn root]

BRO

OVER 100 ROLLS

why do i keep getting devastating strik 4

[shrewd acorn]

Is this salvagable?

[torn root]

but not rampage

[torn root]

nope

unless you dont care about the perks

[shrewd acorn]

so just earn the level 4 blessing then?

[torn root]

tbh i think that chain sword only cares about rampage+savage sweep (mabe a few other combos)

but the perks WOULD have helped big time

[radiant plank]

Merry Christmas from Melk

[limpid turret]

Unironically one of the most perfect stat distributions + perk/blessing combos I've rolled... and it's on my Psyker.

why can't we trade weapons yet FS

[halcyon zephyr]

RIP man that sucks

[scarlet musk]

Is this salvageable?

[junior needle]

at least 3/4 scuffed

[torn moat]

Not really... Both blessings need replacing. The Carapace perk is also pretty bad for inf lasguns.

[junior needle]

Also you want stopping power high as well

Because it affects damage to various armor types

and by high I mean near max

[scarlet musk]

hm... I see, thank you anyways

[junior grail]

Man, Efficiency blessing needs to be more useful haha

What if Recon had Efficiency?

[terse idol]

That sounds medicore

I mean

Because the Las talent got nerfed ueah

Maybe it'd help the ammo consumption

[torn root]

starting to think ppl are bots ''oh guys pull some weight, i got most damage'' --- not doing any objs and running in front of everyone to clump hoards or block ppl who are shooting

[terse idol]

Virgin stat padder vs the giga chad objective doer

[torn root]

scoreboard might actually be a plague

Just a tool for ego

[midnight totem]

what are recommended blessings for a shotgun, the agripina

[frank ether]

never gonna be all that relevant for veteran

they could at least make it decent for other classes I guess?

[frozen meadow]

I don't think I have ever run out of ammo on vet

so yeh not relevant

[flint garden]

all i want for christmas is pc4 and fatshark fixing silent trappers and poxbursters

[torn moat]

What am I looking for in a godroll laspistol?

[torn root]

Wait till next year XD

[vague charm]

Do weapon blessings carry over to another class if you already unlocked them on one?

[terse idol]

Yeppers

[vague charm]

Sweet

[thorn yoke]

Just for clarity, it carries over for the same weapon class.

[idle dirge]

Are either of these worth it on a combat axe?

[torn moat]

Both are good.

[midnight mortar]

Which axe?

[torn moat]

Elite and Specailist Damage are both solid blessings. They are good 2nd choice picks for blessings.

[midnight mortar]

Axes don't really need specialist damage to one shot them with a heavy.

[idle dirge]

Rashad

[midnight mortar]

Other than mutants which specialist damage doesn't normally provide breakpoints for.

[terse idol]

You probably still want like maniac

[terse idol]

Oh

Then you want unarmoured

What blessings do you have?

[midnight mortar]

And yeah on the Rashad you want unarmored

But it'd be more helpful to post the full stat window of that axe.

[terse idol]

[idle dirge]

It seems like it already oneshots anything unarmoured. I'm not level 30 yet so here it is

I plan to get decapitator as a second blessing at some point

[torn moat]

Isn't Thrust and Brutal Momentum considered BIS?

[midnight mortar]

You'll want unarmored so it can oneshot bruisers (when it builds at least 2 headtaker stacks).

[jaunty spindle]

Which power sword is the preferred one

[midnight mortar]

Mk6

[midnight mortar]

On the rashad you want BM and Headtaker.

Thrust is not necessary and just creates dead time where you're charging a heavy for minimal benefit.

[idle dirge]

As far as I can tell, at least according to the attack breakdown, the heavy is only worth using on unyielding and carapaced enemies

[midnight mortar]

Yeah that's the general idea, except that it will also oneshot headshot specials other than mutants.

Handy to have when your either missing headtaker stacks or lights won't cut it.

[idle dirge]

I was gonna say, according to the attack breakdown the heavy does less damage to maniacs than the light

[midnight mortar]

Rashad with BM and headtaker at full also will 2 headshot bulwarks.

Yeah against ragers you'll need to use your push attack -> light combo.

The push attack is a guaranteed stager against ragers.

[midnight mortar]

The key is building your headtaker stacks off the chaff which lets you meet breakpoints easily.

Combined with BM, it scythes through heads with 0 resistance.

[idle dirge]

Remind me what the Power from headtaker effects?

[midnight mortar]

At tier 4 it's +5% Power for 3.5 seconds on hit. Stacks 5 times.

[idle dirge]

I know

I'm asking what Power means here :p

[midnight mortar]

Oh you meant affects

Power increases damage, cleave, and stagger.

It's mostly the raw damage increase that matters the most.

Once you reach 2 headtaker stacks, you will one shot any chaff in hordes with headshots, which you keep getting because of BM.

Lets you deal with Crushers easily via heavies to the head that stagger and extremely high damage.

[idle dirge]

I see, I see. Still might try decapitator, but I have headtaker earned already if I change my mind

[midnight mortar]

If you're not running right tree Veteran, I guess you could try to rely on decapitator to make up for the attack speed somewhat. I just find headtaker has far higher up time and naturally nets you one shots rather than relying on you getting them first in order to make use of a blessing.

Power boosts are generally more useful than finesse boosts which will only boost the increment of damage that you get from hitting a weakspot, rather than the damage total you get from hitting a weakspot.

If I understood finesse correctly.

[idle dirge]

If nothing else, I want to see how fast I can attack with max decapitator stacks :p

[midnight mortar]

Fair.

[junior rivet]

what do i put on this

[terse idol]

You gotta hit the gritty with

Not the ideal rashad you got there but it's close

You need all 70's

Except mob

[flint garden]

actually most fucked auric damn

constantly at 1 wound due to dumbass zealot holding grim and the other zealot wouldnt drop ammo when we where the last two left and i had literally 0 ammo

[junior needle]

Not exactly any chaffe, rashad is unfortunately quite particular about bruiser one shots.

[junior needle]

At least sprint to flak, for sure. Just keep in mind you need to do the light/heavy horizontal combo to actually proc those blessings against bruisers because your lights wont cleave enough.

[midnight mortar]

Ah sorry, I should've specified right tree talents. I didn't mean a pure gray Rashad.

[junior needle]

Mine is pretty good but still not enough

So yeah, good rashad is hard

dumped finesse

euf

[midnight mortar]

F

[shadow aurora]

Change stan

[junior needle]

and the perks

euf

and not even the meta blessing

[shadow aurora]

Rampage is good

[midnight mortar]

It's "ok".

[junior needle]

Rampage is fine but

It's no sunder/brudal

[shadow aurora]

I mean yeah but you could def salvage this with stan to flak while you get a better one

Oh dont bother then lol

Groaner damage

[jaunty spindle]

There any real other make or break blessings for plasma gun

I'm fine with t3 gets hot

[quaint veldt]

which stats are the best on power sword?

[flint garden]

damage and finesse most important

then cleave damage good and mob/cleave targets can be dumped

[tall torrent]

Yes

[torn moat]

Dumdum is BiS for Columnus

There's a couple options for the other blessing.

I like Deathspitter

Just depends on your preference. Deathspitter I like because I find a lot of my kills are close range.

[umbral scaffold]

what blessings are wanted on shovels

decimater right

[torn moat]

Hit & Run is useful for avoiding ranged attacks. Raking fire is better on a stealth build where you are attacking from behind a lot.

[umbral scaffold]

but what else

and what perks are wanted

[torn moat]

Yes.

Though, unless you are really good at pegging weakspots with autoguns, I'd advise against it.

But it is an option.

oof. Sorry, confusing blessings. it just requires close range kills. Not weak spot kills.

I'd still suggest going for Deathspitter though.

[torn moat]

Depends on the shovel

[umbral scaffold]

the blue one

[thick fossil]

What could I drop to grab Demolition team (I'm running Inf Lasergun Mk 1 and Chainaxe)

I want more grenades.

[umbral scaffold]

elite damage would be my choice

that or deadshot

i think thats the name

the one that uses stamina

[thick fossil]

I'm running a +3 stamina curio and the "target down" to mitigate that, so far deadshot hmm. But elite damage would be a nice one to get rid off.

[thick fossil]

Hard to say how big of an impact or how bad of an impact deadshot has, I can't quite ADS to kill regular gunners because it's a waste but I got used to crouch "sniping" after using Marksman Focus a bunch.

[golden nacelle]

Swap infernus for...?

[thick fossil]

Surgical

[golden nacelle]

yeah, that's what I was thinking

[thick fossil]

Isn't the dmg roll a bit low?

[golden nacelle]

I only have lvl 3 unfortunately

yeah, the dmg roll is a bit low

so it may not be worth holding onto

[vague elm]

Any bolter users here? Should I just take the pinning fire

[thick fossil]

Give it a try, as long as you hit the "good breakpoints" the lower damage should only matter against bosses and crushers.

Everything else is good on that weapon.

[golden nacelle]

that one prob better

[thick fossil]

I hate the Mk III bayonet, can't recommend.

[golden nacelle]

Not like I use the bayonet

[thick fossil]

!!!

[midnight mortar]

Half the strength of the helbore comes from the bayonet.

A single hit will stagger a rager out of their animation.

Two headshots kills one.

The mk1 and mk2 bayonets are extremely strong.

Fast stabs that let you hold back a wave of ragers by yourself.

Also headshots through hordes pretty effectively.

The only time you'd switch off your helbore is for crushers.

That combined with their fast shooting pace, high base damage, charge shots giving them anti-carapace options, and crit fishing and even faster charging via Onslaught and Surgical is why helbores are the ideal las rifle currently.

[blazing horizon]

Vet penances done

[midnight mortar]

Congratulations.

[strong pine]

thoughts on the new 1h chainsword vs the old one?

[frail bolt]

ima swap ds for shred but wut else would i swap out?

or just swap shred and keep the rest

[midnight mortar]

The Csword doesn't really benefit from crits all that much. It needs help with increasing cleave for horde clearing with lights.

Wrath or Savage Sweep are your options there.

[frail bolt]

ah. well rip xvx

[frail bolt]

u lucky bich

xvx

[midnight mortar]

I'd replace unyielding with either maniacs or flak.

[tidal rapids]

Worth working on?

[midnight mortar]

Better to just extract Infernus tier 4 off of it.

The perks would need changing along with No Respite.

[tidal rapids]

What would say are the ideal perks and blessings for MG IV?

[midnight mortar]

Flak and Maniac. Headhunter and Deadly Accurate.

[lost lake]

What are the two best blessings for the cadia chainsword (MK IV)

[midnight mortar]

While the faster firing Infantry Lasguns can build Infernus stacks faster, I'd argue its damage per tick would still be less than critting with the MG IV.

[midnight mortar]

Savage Sweep (or Wrath which is a step down in my opinion) and Rampage.

[tidal rapids]

Noted, I'll hold onto this until I next roll a 370+

[lost lake]

Would bloodthirsty be a good alternative or just wait until I get savage sweep

[midnight mortar]

Bloodthirsty isn't particularly good. The chainsword needs help via cleave increases for horde clearing.

[lost lake]

Also just noticed the name lol I love it

[woven geode]

is plasma gun the best single target dps anti special weapon for veteran?

[terse idol]

Blaze it

but uh

you're gonna want to replace both of those perks

Both of those are fine

The blessings

But infested and crit damage isn't gonna do very good

[midnight mortar]

I'd imagine it depends on the enemy in question and the range, but it's definitely up there.

[umbral scaffold]

anyone got a god plasma gun or a pic of it

[jaunty spindle]

I'm just gonna say fuck it and go crit chance and some other fucking blessing

The toughness on elite kill one

[woven geode]

how does it compare to any of the lasguns and autoguns?

[midnight mortar]

If you're asking about the top veteran ranged weapons, the revolver, plasma, columnus mk5, and helbores mk1 and 2 are the current contenders.

[slow spade]

Plasma only really lacks vs dogs and mutants as it takes 2 shots for them

[midnight mortar]

Infantry lasguns are fine, but left in the dust due to how the current balance paradigm hasn't really touched them beyond buffing the MG IV and Ia up to the XII's levels.

[slow spade]

Not that bad in practice

[woven geode]

I found the helbores to be so inaccurate

[wanton dawn]

Use ADS

[midnight mortar]

And current meta has seen increases to enemy health/density that demands a level of flexibility and immediate alpha that infantry lasguns struggle with.

[slow spade]

Get the mod to make their "sights" not dogshit

[midnight mortar]

Yeah, I use the weapon customization mod to add better sights. They're impossible to use without it for me.

[slow spade]

Weapon Customization Mod

[wanton dawn]

Hellbore have a bad iron sight and all lasgun have crap hipfire

[woven geode]

I don't see this on nexus mods

do you mean crosshair remap?>

[midnight mortar]

I'd also recommend avoiding the mk3 Helbore until its bayonet is improved and until its input buffering bug is fixed.

[midnight mortar]

#📌communities

[slow spade]

#📌communities there's a Darktide modding discord

[midnight mortar]

Modding server.

[slow spade]

Optimal Helbore

[woven geode]

what the

hahaha

that's so cool

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bed-deflate-gif-4485064855593108883

[serene sage]

Why are you here posting heresy instead of being with your family on Christmas Eve?

[slow spade]

Because everyone is asleep

[serene sage]

Damn

[woven geode]

what mk is this?

[serene sage]

Silent night

[serene sage]

I think any Mk can be customized

[slow spade]

No clue lmao, probably a Mk3

[woven geode]

these are purely visual im assuming?

[midnight mortar]

This is why the Enginseers keep telling us not to modify our weapons.

[serene sage]

Wait how does the bayonet animation work lmao

[slow spade]

Minor game effects (you can put a flashlight on certain weapons)

Mostly because Ogryns literally do not have a flashlight lol

[midnight mortar]

The flashlight can't replace the bayonet action though for helbores.

If the special action has an actual effect like a melee attack, it cannot be overwritten.

[woven geode]

which helbore is best for specialists, 1 or 2?

[slow spade]

Idk lol, I'm a plasma main 💪💪💪

[midnight mortar]

Depends on your preference. Both can be built to easily handle specials.

Mk1 is slower charging than the mk2.

[serene sage]

Filthy

[midnight mortar]

I personally prefer the mk2 for Helbores.

[woven geode]

sorry how does the weapon customization mod work

[serene sage]

Play the Bolt or you are a meta chaser 😤

[serene sage]

You... customize it

[slow spade]

Sorry I like winning 💅💅💅💅

[woven geode]

no i mean where, the armoury?

[midnight mortar]

Inspect the weapon.

[serene sage]

You know where you can apply the skin and the trinket thingy?

On the same menu

[midnight mortar]

Ah wait, Appearance.

Not Inspect.

C

[serene sage]

Do you have the mod?

[woven geode]

i take it mod installation did not go right

[midnight mortar]

You don't have the mod installed.

[serene sage]

Yeah

[woven geode]

can it be used with Vortex

[serene sage]

That's the place though

What's Vortex

[midnight mortar]

There's a separate deal for making it work with Vortex.

Honestly Vortex is a headache.

[strange sparrow]

Still waiting for FS to release weapon modular tbh

[midnight mortar]

Not worth using it, but the modding server explains how to install it with Vortex.

That'd be a question for there, not here.

[serene sage]

Is vortex a mod manager or something

[midnight mortar]

Yeah.

One that also skims your data.

[serene sage]

Add me in game and we settle this (please I want friends)

[serene sage]

That ship has sailed a long time ago

[midnight mortar]

It's just generally not a good mod manager.

[strange sparrow]

Yea vortex just not really good that’s all

[midnight mortar]

Half the time when you use it, it's just as likely to fuck up your installation.

[strange sparrow]

I rather do manual installation

[wanton dawn]

Imagine fucking up updating a notepad

[midnight mortar]

You'd think it wouldn't be hard.

But it manages somehow.

[strange sparrow]

I mean

[grizzled pebble]

There's a vortex plug in for darktide to manage mods.

I use it never went wrong.

[strange sparrow]

Programming is hard, I wouldn’t say I know better

Just doing JSON and API cost 20 years of my life

[woven geode]

so i installed weapon_customization_mod and weapon_customization_mod_mt_stuff

now what

[midnight mortar]

Do you have the Darktide mod framework installed?

[woven geode]

what is for_the_drip

[woven geode]

yes

[umbral scaffold]

daium ppl be malding over the plasma

[wanton dawn]

I dunno who ppl is

[umbral scaffold]

the voices in my head

[wanton dawn]

Thats a psyker thing

[umbral scaffold]

[trail totem]

is this good enough for melkoins?

[versed merlin]

its not bad

but thunderstrike benefits the mk 3 more than mk 7 i think

[flint garden]

bolter vets be like

[orchid hollow]

But theres 3 zealots what is bro yapping about

boltgun not even ammo hungry if he do surgical

[jade notch]

Bolter Vet's the only one with 0 Ammo

[flint garden]

also him

[versed merlin]

its the debuff for playing vet

[jade notch]

Man, Exec Stance + Focus Target Bolter is my most ammo-hungry loadout and even that's not as bad as this dude

[tidal rapids]

Can't tell if MG IV just doesn't work for me or it's the lag making it terrible.

[serene sage]

I think y'all just met a bad vet

[barren cave]

which vet gun has the least total ammo

[serene sage]

Tbh i haven't seen a bolter vet in my games in a while, except myself

[serene sage]

Revolver

[orchid hollow]

revolver maybe

[serene sage]

5+65 with ammo talent

Bolter has 15+100

Shotgun 13+115 I think

And then plasma with like 106/212 or something

[flint garden]

tbh it was malice so i shouldnt have expected better but dude said hed been playing since beta

[torn root]

bro is rampage 4 on the XIIIg even a thing, its crazy how i havent gotten it yet XD

[serene sage]

I kinda want to play but it's Christmas Eve at 3AM I doubt anyone is playing Auric rn

😔

[orchid hollow]

🐉

rip audio

[serene sage]

Yeah but Reddit told me you can't one shot flamers with the most gimped disingenuous build ever so clearly the Bolter is dogshit

[torn root]

only thing bad about the bolter is the reload

everything else is a dream

[junior grail]

Is there a mod to hide chat?

[wanton dawn]

Tbf, it is an headshot crit. There is a LOT of gun that hit that bp

Bolter isnt particularly weak against maniac either

[orchid hollow]

5 stacks focus target crit works

2 stacks.. also

not 1 stack though

wait nvm i had redirect fire

easy buff to keep up though

[wanton dawn]

Not arguing you cannot reach the bp. It is alwayd about effort and condition

[orchid hollow]

surgical is so fast on bolter i love it

even if it overkill on most enemies lol

[wanton dawn]

Bolter would be better if exec stance was a good ult anyway

Smth smth susfire was a thing

[frank ledge]

atleast it ain't smoke

[low oar]

I use smokes on my plasma build 😎

[wanton dawn]

Thats like, griefing without commitment smh

You play smoke with recon

[low oar]

I'll use smokes on my next las pistol build

Stealth vet las pistol

Using the movement speed aura

[wanton dawn]

With knife

For horde control ofc

Get top dmg with thzt champ

Dont let your dream be dream

[strange sparrow]

Man it look great but the pull time for boltgun is so long I just hate it

[orchid hollow]

yep it fat

[wanton dawn]

Bolter needs a bayonet

[orchid hollow]

need drum mag bolter

make it fatter

[frank ledge]

Autopistol smoke will be meta

add taxe on top

[strange sparrow]

Im too scare to ask why people would take smoke

[frank ledge]

Smoke messes with enemy pathing to an extend

[wanton dawn]

Smoke gives your team cancer

[frank ledge]

it also blocks los for all but 2 ranged threats

[fervent quiver]

How much of a cope is surgical on helbore

[strange sparrow]

This

[frank ledge]

smoke also lowers your fps heavily if ray tracing is enabled

[frank ledge]

So if u wanna stick it those 5k€ pc users, use smokes

[fervent quiver]

Do I put on onslaught or does this work

[frank ledge]

It's helbore 3

Wouldn't getting faster charge better?

[fervent quiver]

Oh, and I get to mald more

[frank ledge]

yes

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1163362097418223636/1697428832621327.gif?ex=653f4c62&is=652cd762&hm=f0098d63e985c6e567b1107f00464a35adea5d8c250073ccb076efb726dafac2&

[fervent quiver]

THIS PIECE OF SHIT

FUCK

[frank ledge]

HADRON STOP THIS BRICK AND BALL TORTURE

leave the boss alone

[fervent quiver]

FUCK

...giving up a 513 for blessings

It hurts

oh, OH EMPEROR, I have been given a decent lasgun by big E

Wait...

That is an amazing Lasgun

Thank Big E

[jolly hemlock]

pretty good yea

[fervent quiver]

Just realized the rolls are amazing

[delicate estuary]

Stinky E

[fervent quiver]

Looked at the rating, then looked at modies

[versed merlin]

yes yes except its a recon

[jolly hemlock]

recon aint bad

i run one for auric

[umbral scaffold]

Recon needs buff for ammo economy imo

[jolly hemlock]

i agree but if you dont use it 24/7 its still good

[strange sparrow]

I mean

B tier gun

[jolly hemlock]

im only using it for ranged enemies and monstrosities

[strange sparrow]

Usable but do you really hate yourself that much

[umbral scaffold]

I mean tell me realistically what does recon have over IAG, it does less damage per shot, it only has the benefits of some las weapon perks working for it

[jolly hemlock]

its atleast A tier

[umbral scaffold]

Shock trooper is lasgun exclusive but was nerfed because of its insane synergy with recon crit builds

[strange sparrow]

Inverse Damage DropOff and we're spoiled with other better gun like IAG

[jolly hemlock]

i hate the autoguns cuz the recoil

[strange sparrow]

That's something that LasGun is good in, no recoil

Just a straight beam

[jolly hemlock]

yea

[umbral scaffold]

The recoil is very manageable on iags compared to other games with full auto guns

[jolly hemlock]

im playing knife a very fastpace gameplay

and i need the accuracy

[umbral scaffold]

Other games will cause your recoil to move all the way up to the sky but the iag has a certain limit it’s like CSGO almost

[jolly hemlock]

csgo is trash

[strange sparrow]

Also some people play with Camera Sway

IAG with Camera Sway is why some would use LasGun

[umbral scaffold]

Don’t disagree but it’s the closest thing I could compare it to

[jolly hemlock]

but i understand people have different prefs but recon def is not super bad

but i agree the shocktrooper nerv was hard

[strange sparrow]

B tier

[jolly hemlock]

wonder when we get the next vet remake

[strange sparrow]

Serviceable but not even close to other gun

[jolly hemlock]

i still play without keystone lol

[strange sparrow]

I don’t play keystone too

[umbral scaffold]

Don’t even have enough points to hit keystones on most builds

[jolly hemlock]

yea xD

[umbral scaffold]

Once they raise the cap from 30 to 35 maybe more of my builds will run keystones but I honestly think I’d just have different talents I had to sacrifice

[jolly hemlock]

if

they do that

[sour elbow]

Is it possible for a +2 wound curio? I know +3 stamina exists

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t think so they’re mythical beta items

[umbral scaffold]

Vermintide had the exact same thing happen, we have a bigger talent tree then Vermintide and Darktide is early in its development cycle

[vivid bolt]

They do not exist at this time

[umbral scaffold]

Yea they only existed during beta

I’ll be honest I’m kind of a purist I don’t think you’ll need to run wounds just simply dont die

[vivid bolt]

Wounds are useless outside martyrdom

Toughness or HP net so much more benefit

[strange sparrow]

Going down 1 more time is kinda useful but there would be people arguing how bout not getting down

[umbral scaffold]

I try not to judge it’s just a game after all people want to tailor their experience how they want to

[strange sparrow]

But seriously though, Ironwill Toughness Curios do be kinda strong overall

[umbral scaffold]

This game for its flaws does let you tailor your build pretty damn well

[strange sparrow]

The only reason I’m not going HP curios on Vet is just how abusive is Voc

[umbral scaffold]

I run health and +10 ordo dockets on all my curios

https://tenor.com/view/rich-gif-24345713

[jolly hemlock]

im not even running wounds even in auric

i run +3 stamina

[umbral scaffold]

Yea cause if you go down too often you become a detriment to the team if I’m having a bad game I’d rather just die

[jolly hemlock]

yea

[umbral scaffold]

Than to make my team risk their hides for me to go down again and again

[jolly hemlock]

im aiming to not go down

and i agree i also run 2 big toughness

[simple stone]

Hey quick question: When the fuck are we getting a Bolt Pistol

[jolly hemlock]

no reason to run hp on a VoC ironwill vet

[umbral scaffold]

Some people think dropping everything you’re doing to revive someone is the optimal strategy but it’s not

Unless you have frag grenades or some sort of mass stagger like Voc you gotta clear the threat before you can rescue someone

[strange sparrow]

I already feel like we are using bolt pistol

Standard Bolt Pistol have 10 rounds aren't it

[gusty bison]

Dunno

[umbral scaffold]

EMT training you’re supposed to make sure the area is clear of all threats and danger before you go in and start rescuing people

[gusty bison]

Just imagine the revolver is one

[umbral scaffold]

Fatshark can’t even balance the boltgun we have right now

I don’t think we’ll ever get a proper bolt pistol

[gusty bison]

Its... fine.

If we dont count the infinite clipsize revolver

[strange sparrow]

They nerf Revolver to make boltgun slightly better

[gusty bison]

Infinite clipsize volver atm is the main balance issue here

Cos it removes the one weakness of the volver

And one of two advantages of the bolter over the volver.

[strange sparrow]

Also, do you guys have weird experience with your range weapon instant reload

just instant, no animation

[gusty bison]

The second advantage being nulified by the fact that the volver shoots logs so headshots are trivial

[umbral scaffold]

The revolver is nerfed to perform exactly as a normal magnum caliber revolver from the present day. That’s to say it is powerful.. for a handgun but it’s equal-lower in terms of power than a full sized rifle

That’s me offering a hypothetical scenario

[gusty bison]

Firstly id say the volver should stop shooting logs

Its a precision weapon. Make it actually require precision

[umbral scaffold]

Yea the hitbox registration on the revolver is nutty i think

[gusty bison]

Mhm

It has the most lenient hitbox

After plasma

[umbral scaffold]

If you shoot someone in the high chest chances are it’ll still pop their head, you won’t get the orange hitbox from a headshot but by all means it’ll do head shot damage

I don’t understand

[gusty bison]

Ye

1. Make it behave with headhunter hitboxes
2. Reduce the ADM on it a bit

[umbral scaffold]

I tried playing with a shotgun and honestly the revolver has more potential to do damage to a crowd than the shotty

[gusty bison]

Volver not 1 tapping Reapers, Crushers and Maniac Ragers is ok

[umbral scaffold]

Not saying you should shoot into crowds with a revolver but the penetration on the revolver will cleave through multiple trash enemies

[gusty bison]

Esp cos it has an infinite clip size

I do think volver should 1 tap all specials not the mutie though

And gunners/shotgunners. Also ragers with difficulty

[umbral scaffold]

I think it should stagger the mutant tho with a headshot like the plasma does but that’s my uninformed dumbass opinion

[gusty bison]

I.e. u need a situational buff to get them to rager 1 tap

[gusty bison]

Nah. Muties are easy enough to kill already

[umbral scaffold]

Yes focus target, precision strikes and +25 damage against maniac is what it takes for me to 1hk both rager variants

With a revolver

[gusty bison]

But yea, end of the day. The main issue i feel is they balanced the revolver around the idea that it only has 5 bullets in a mag

And well

They then made a way to make it so it doesnt

[umbral scaffold]

I really would like a smaller hitbox for the revolver even tho it would massively increase the skill ceiling for the revolver

[torn needle]

[gusty bison]

Pog

[umbral scaffold]

Change out damage resistance to snipers for toughness

[torn needle]

I run no toughness curios or crafts

[umbral scaffold]

Dodge slide run cover

Ok Oreo dockets

[torn needle]

Why get tough when some attacks get rid of it all anyway

[muted knot]

Finished all of my veteran penances finally

[hybrid cargo]

new vet any plasma gun tips on usage and blessings/perks?

[umbral scaffold]

Because not all attacks get rid of toughness I can only think of a few that melt toughness and they are easy to avoid

Except for fire

[jolly hemlock]

i run 0% resistance

[umbral scaffold]

Have fun and be yourself. Also don’t rmb with it near 100%

[hybrid cargo]

appreciate it

[umbral scaffold]

Check pinned for blessings I recommend blaze away and gets hot

Plasma is strong no matter what I recommend at least gets hot and carapace or unyielding damage

It’s also one of the few guns that can stagger almost anything except for monstrosities. It will even stagger the karnak twins unshielded on a weak spot hit

[gusty bison]

Unarmoured is the main one for plasma

The blessings dont matter

The second perk is whatever

[umbral scaffold]

I just checked the primer no where does it mention unarmored for plasma

[gusty bison]

Primer is old and incorrect

Unarmoured gets you the dreg gunner headshot

[umbral scaffold]

Unarmored damage for plasma gun would be overkill and you can kill up to dreg gunners without extra unarmored damage

[torn needle]

A good damage rolled plasma with long shot and %elite perk will one shot hs on all ranged specials and elites

Also with the left sided tree weakspot stuff and elite damage passive

[gusty bison]

This is possible but tight ye.

But i dont think elite and unarmoured have any difference in terms of BPs

[umbral scaffold]

Elite damage is kinda poop cause it only goes up to 10%

[torn needle]

Flamers can get difficult to hit bp without %elite unless you are maniac

[gusty bison]

Flamers arent elite...

[torn needle]

Oh my b I was thinking of specialist

Yeah you're right

[gusty bison]

Spec wont help gunner bp

[umbral scaffold]

Might as well arm yourself against the common armor types of elites and specialists you’ll go against

[torn needle]

Elite gets me to gunner bp so it helps with other elites too

[gusty bison]

Its mostly irrelevant for these cos the bp doesnt change

[umbral scaffold]

Flak and carapace are probably the most troublesome and common elites/specialists you’ll do with

[gusty bison]

Flak is eaaaasy

Carapace is very rare

Plasma deals extra damage to flak

[umbral scaffold]

On the difficulties you play sure

[gusty bison]

U dont need +flak on plasma

I play auric damn ya doofs

Always have

Plasma deals more damage to flak than unarmoured

[torn needle]

Carapace is fine if you wanna blast crushers without thinknig, otherwise unyield is kinda better

[umbral scaffold]

If you do then you see crusher packs all the time, maulers too

Plasma is an ap weapon

[gusty bison]

Crushers are a joke

Dont waste ammo on them

Maulers just bodyshot for more damage

It doesnt change the bp either way

Its a 2 shot

[umbral scaffold]

Im gonna blast many crushers with my 25% carapace damage

[gusty bison]

I just one shot crushers

[umbral scaffold]

Their heads will be left a smoldering hole

[torn needle]

What you one shot crushers with

[gusty bison]

A shovel

[torn needle]

Bonk

[umbral scaffold]

That’s one really good shovel

[gusty bison]

Welcome to mk 3 shovel

[umbral scaffold]

Blunt damage should mess up armor a lot better than it does but the mk3 is really good for that yeah

[torn needle]

Power sword is nice too

[gusty bison]

No ammo needed. Faster. And safer.

Psword good too ye

[gusty bison]

Not as fast as mk 3

But still faster than plasma

[umbral scaffold]

Best in the medieval era, where knights donned full plate militaries discovered that if you hit them with a blunt weapon that armor doesn’t really matter and they get crushed like a tin can

Beating a crusher to death with a standard issue shovel should be quicker than it is right now

[versed merlin]

this is the most sus-based build i've ever seen in a auric maelstrom

[torn needle]

He's strugglnig with that dumdum roll

[versed merlin]

my man's bringing the dclaw

i hope he performs well, really do. but im having second thoughts here

he died in the first horde pack

[strange sparrow]

I mean he got a 332 stats recon last

[dusty sluice]

any suggestions for a helbore build?

[gray belfry]

go revolver instead

'fr though, onslaught/surgical'

[dusty sluice]

i mean talents

[dusty sluice]

iv'e used it for 300+ hours on zealot lmao

[gray belfry]

oh lmao, no idea then, probably focus target and headshoot damage? i just slap random thigns that sound good together and hope for the best

[dusty sluice]

fair

[gusty bison]

Precision strikes deadshot

Duck n dive

Rest is pick ur poison

Helbore is nuts out the box so it doesnt need much support

U can even go right and grab all the melee talents if u want

Main thing is helbore is a S tier melee weapon

On top of being a top of the line ranged weapon xD

[gray belfry]

wished hadron would stop bricking my mk 2s

[pastel geode]

Merry Slaaneshmas

[jaunty herald]

mommy knows best

[eternal venture]

I prefer Focus Target or Marksman for more reliable oneshot breakpoints on bodyshot

Focus Target moreso because it lets you reach the same breakpoints as Marksman's Focus while also giving your team some damage buffs and stam/toughness regen

Helbore's breakpoints are attained almost entirely through the weapon itself

It also depends on which Helbore you're using

Mk3 really wants to grab Shock Trooper on the lower-left of the tree to help its ammo economy and to cut down on reloads/weapon swaps

With the Rending talent in the middle tree and elite damage in the left tree and +Carapace on your Helbore Mk3, you can twoshot Crushers on headshot with crits

Or twoshot Maulers on headshot + bodyshot (or just bodyshot them twice)

Pick any ult you want. I personally use Infiltrate because it lets me snipe specials and elites freely, especially with Low Profile's -90% threat reduction

Helbore Mk3 can actually oneshot Crushers on headshot, but it's gimmicky because you need to take Executioner's Stance and almost every damage buff on the tree for it to work

[dusty sluice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aeec292-caf3-42e2-afac-15adedc6604e/vet-5-helbore how would this be?

[eternal venture]

That looks fine, at a glance. I'd maybe move the point in Kill Zone to Shock Trooper for ammo econ, or to Redirect Fire for the team damage buff

I prefer Get Back in the Fight over Catch a Breath

the reasoning being that in Auric Damn, you're usually swamped with enemies that negate the "no enemies within 8m" requirement for either of those talents

Field Improv is really good, too, if you can afford a point there

I would personally take Shredder nades over Kraks since Helbores are already really good at chunking single targets, and Shredders help you with Rager swarms and mixed hordes

but that's up to personal preference

Exhilirating Takedown is also a good talent for boosting your overall toughness dr

[dusty sluice]

tysm lol

[eternal venture]

npnp, have fun with the helbore!

I know for the Mk3 Helbore, Bring it Down doesn't reach any new breakpoints on Ogryn enemies

It does help for Monstros, though

and maybe it helps the Mk1 with Ogryn breakpoints

[strange sparrow]

Is this a bug or something

[eternal venture]

Also do people run scripts that close their game whenever they get netted or something

I ran into a Zealot yesterday who kept leaving and rejoining the exact instant they got netted, even when nothing was around to hit them

[versed merlin]

nah, esc leave game become a muscle memory after so many attempts

[eternal venture]

Oh I know people do that

it was just literally

hear net hit sound > instaleave > rejoin

Not even

"I got netted in fire, fuck time to alt f4"

he left on the dot every time as he was getting yoinked, before anyone could even help him

[strange sparrow]

Well, It doesn't matter thou

[gusty bison]

Yes

[dusty sluice]

this is the way i get downed the most

[jaunty herald]

I wouldn't be surprised if the person made or found a script for that

[strange sparrow]

Also this, is this a bug known within community or

[eternal venture]

that's lame, you're leaving your team with a dumb bot until you rejoin lol

multiple times per mission

[strange sparrow]

Just instant Reload, no mag out mag in interaction

[gusty bison]

(Iz also cheating)

[eternal venture]

That's weird

Normally I'd say it's your character finishing up the final part of the reload/chambering animation

[strange sparrow]

Can't replicate inside Psykarium

[eternal venture]

but you just straight-up reload

[strange sparrow]

It's a straight up reload somehow

[eternal venture]

Yeah, not sure if there's anything FS could/should do about it though

[strange sparrow]

Usually your mag will go 0

[jaunty herald]

seems your character did a partial reload and you switched your gun before the full reload animation was done

[gusty bison]

Low priority issue tbh

[strange sparrow]

It still have ammo

[gusty bison]

Its cheating but its not the kind that really messes up other players' experience

[strange sparrow]

The interaction when reloading should be taking the mag out

[eternal venture]

it's not a huge issue and ultimately it just minorly griefs the team for 30 seconds

[strange sparrow]

Partial Mag -> Empty (Reloading) -> Load a new mag

[eternal venture]

it's not an exploit or anything

[strange sparrow]

But this just skip Empty (Reloading) part

and load a new mag instantly

[eternal venture]

or well, it is an exploit

but not one that breaks the game

[jaunty herald]

@strange sparrow animation bug then

[strange sparrow]

Can't seem to replicate it somehow

[jaunty herald]

server connection perhaps

[jaunty herald]

the lag from a player loading into the mission can cause actions of other characters to be delayed. once or twice, fine, but someone like the guy who leaves from being netted everytime then that's hurting other players' enjoyment.

[strange sparrow]

This is pain

[gusty bison]

Take the melee finesse talent

Gets you over the edge

[strange sparrow]

It's okay,Im just grinding for Psword Pcycler

https://tenor.com/view/dead-sad-pouting-rain-overdramatic-gif-5377165

[gusty bison]

Oof

[glass vessel]

when I hit level 30 what should I do to get better weapon ?

[strange sparrow]

Oh no.

The Grind

[glass vessel]

...

[jaunty herald]

work on melk's contracts

[strange sparrow]

I have 10k+ melk currrency

[glass vessel]

where can I find that ?

[hard wraith]

You should do weekly’s for sire melk. When you have enough tokens you can buy weapons from him to use as is or strip high tier blessings from

[gray belfry]

hows it going so far

[hard wraith]

To build a gun you should buy from the armory and try to get high base stats. It will cost a lot of dockets unless you’re lucky

[hard wraith]

When you load into the morning star it’s in the main hallway from the atrium to the mission board

[gray belfry]

honestly just run toughness/toughness regen, and try to have a decent 3rd perk.

[wet stream]

Quick question on setup for a shovel. How would you change it?

[jaunty herald]

On the main pathway, look on the right for this man in a green backdrop

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer-40k-darktide/images/7/7f/Requisitorium.png/revision/latest?cb=20221208125107

[gray belfry]

old man that talks down to you a lot

[vivid bolt]

Toughness curios usually, with HP/Tough/Gunner Res.

One plus stamina curios is acceptable as well

[gray belfry]

the main perks i run are health/tough/wound. the amount of times having that extra wounds kept me going is too many to take it off

[hard wraith]

The guy who holds an iPad and speaks like a fake Victorian man

[glass vessel]

Got it !

[glass vessel]

thanks man !

[jaunty herald]

nah

[strange sparrow]

I disagree

stacking 3 make your VoC goes from 30 seconds to 23 seconds

which is a vast improvement over the uptime

[pliant rain]

Block to flank, skullcrusher to trust or Limb to hammerblow

[wicked cobalt]

what is the best long range automatic gun

[wanton dawn]

That'd be about 25% cd regen. The tooltip be wrong

[wicked cobalt]

and what level do you get it

[gusty bison]

-Automatic
-Long range

Bit of a weird combination there.

[wicked cobalt]

indeed

[gusty bison]

Theres the Agripinna Mk 1 Infantry Autogun. Its full auto capable but past like 15m u wanna burst fire it

[jaunty herald]

ye

[wanton dawn]

Isnt the recon auto and long range ?

[midnight mortar]

There isn't one really since automatics are optimal at close ranges.

[gusty bison]

Generally all full auto guns wanna be burst fired past mid range

[wicked cobalt]

no burst fire

[midnight mortar]

Not long range anymore since the nerf.

[gusty bison]

Then they all start sucking past the 20m mark

[wicked cobalt]

so what would you reccomend

[wanton dawn]

Tbf just because there is reduced dmg past 50 meters doesnt make you bad at range

[gusty bison]

Either burst fire an autogun or use a semi

[wicked cobalt]

for a all round good automaatic