veteran-class

[south garnet]

Lookin good but carapace to maniac

[forest scaffold]

doesn't really matter

[tall torrent]

Carapace is nice for crusher & mauler 2 tap but that’s abt it

[south garnet]

Next zarona revolver you roll try for surgical handcannon though, crucian is better off on the agri (in either case deadshot helps pick up slack though)

[trim breach]

I see

thx!

just tested it in meat grinder

1 shots a ton of the elites in damnation

[south garnet]

Yea it rocks, def take weak spot node if you hadn't already

[crimson crown]

decent rolled lasgun have 2 refines/rebless to work with

i should rebless infernus to lvl 4 and unyielding to flak i think

[versed merlin]

just had one of my shameful moments in this game

i q'd to an auric, threw myself from stairs and ended up in the middle of a pack of crushers

i panic, got one tapped by a crusher, then instantly left the game ashamed

[ionic gulch]

can I parry a crusher with a perfect parry?

I'm not brave enough to test this lol

[versed merlin]

no

[ionic gulch]

okay that's what I figured lol

[serene sage]

how do i kill mutants with the agri shotty

it feels good until you need to fight mutants

i think imma swap to chainsword so I can one tap mutans

[south garnet]

I usually just melee mutants tbh yea

[serene sage]

like, it's okay

as in, i dont hate it

[south garnet]

And the most plasteel too, now that's a leader

[eternal venture]

The overhead attack? Yes you can, actually!

I don’t have a video on hand

But I’ve seen parry videos posted in here before

I saved a game the other day with that tech

You have to aim the parry toward like… the middle of the crusher’s body

not the tip of his hammer

But yes, you can parry every melee attack in the game apart from mutant and chaos spawn grabs

The timing is fairly tight, though

And it won’t help a whole ton vs a huge pack of ragers

But parrying and killing at least one rager in a pack of six might save your life

[untold quiver]

are crits double damage?

[serene sage]

no

each weapon is specific

[untold quiver]

can you define it for me

[serene sage]

inspect your weapon

and look at detailed damage

[untold quiver]

whats a good range weapon for monstrosities?

[scarlet vessel]

keep the mediocre blessings get +Maniac or Rebless?

[trim breach]

?

[sharp ember]

good base

since Pinning Fire 4 is only 5% per stack

you’re barely even at a loss

[round jetty]

how is darktide nominated for better with friends and not soundtrack 💔

[forest scaffold]

fun little build

[wicked gate]

Soundtrack is fire

[round jetty]

fax

the soundtrack is honestly one of the best ive ever heard

actually its THE best

[forest scaffold]

doom 2016

and its not even a contest

[round jetty]

shmeh

never really liked doom

[forest scaffold]

alright Robert Heinlein

[round jetty]

doom 1 2 and 3 were fire

[round jetty]

dunno who that is

[forest scaffold]

go back to your free love bullshit

How the FUCK do you have the name Sgt. Klendathu

and not know who the FUCK that is

actually delete your discord profile and try again

[round jetty]

i havent watched starship troopers since i was like

15 dog

no dont think i will

thanks for ur terrible suggestion though

[forest scaffold]

actually insane that you didn't know who Heinlein was immediately with that name though

also, its a book. Not just Paul Verhoeven's fantastic movie.

[round jetty]

ok yeah thats why i dont know him

i dont pay attention to who creates what

just how it is

if its fire? cool

next thing

starship troopers also has a few good songs

good day to die and klendathu drop 😩

[viscid snow]

why is it whenever I'm my veteran all my lower level psykers are suicidal (like warp overcharge)

any vets I play with are sweet and awesome

[serene sage]

I just had the worst win ever

the fking ogryn

seems to stand in my line of fire on purpose

literally hold down M1 all game

and block people

holy shit how braindead does a class need to be

we won but still, what a dumbass

[quartz forum]

hi guys, any recommended autoguns for vets?

[viscid snow]

Had one who did really good in a haz 3

[viscid snow]

semi auto is really fun

[dapper vessel]

Columnus Infantry, Agrip Braced, Vraks 3 and Vraks 7 Headhunter

[rose wedge]

folks is this a decent pickup

[serene sage]

unbrickable

take it

BST is a little low but nothing too bad

I think it's a really solid gun

[rose wedge]

so with blaze away would i pair it with gets hot?

[serene sage]

yeah

[rose wedge]

well, certainly better than my 69/69 damage/stopping power 374 plasma gun

[tall torrent]

T’augryns have that problem

[radiant bone]

What Curio perk gives damage resistence to Pox Bursters?

Would it be bombers? or Tox flamers?

[serene sage]

it was a full gungryn

[tall torrent]

Exactly, T’augryns

Cannot melee for shit on the easiest melee class, chooses to exclusively use ranged weaponry

[serene sage]

Ohhh i thought it was short for taunt

Tau

i like that

[dapper vessel]

IIRC there is no burster damage resistance yea? It should be resist corruption damage (NOT THE GRIMOIRE VERSION)

[versed merlin]

there is

[radiant bone]

so theres 15% corruption, and then 20% corruption (grimoires)

[versed merlin]

o wait

damage resistance?

[radiant bone]

in lev 4, so just the one without grimoires

[versed merlin]

not sure

[radiant bone]

yeah like curio perks

[versed merlin]

thought you were talking about damage to, mbmb

[twilit glacier]

any changes?

[tall torrent]

Infernus to onslaught
Surgical upgrade to lv4

It’s good

[dapper vessel]

yes the 15% corruption

[tall torrent]

Maniac & flak is perfect for mk1 helbore

[idle carbon]

you could leave surgical alone, in case the meta changes

[tall torrent]

Nah I doubt that

The other helbore blessings are just not that good

Besides maybe falter + no respite if you’re into bayonet

[idle carbon]

more about the perks

surgical 3 should be fine, I wouldn't touch it, but that's just me
you do you

[versed merlin]

I hate this game

[twilit glacier]

true

[serene sage]

same tbh

[radiant plank]

I think it's more of that flak/maniac is pretty good so you're free to change both blessings

[dapper vessel]

between Surgical 3 (0.35) and Surgical 4 (0.3) its not that big deal of a difference

[tall torrent]

maniac is good on HB1, needed for flamer 1 tap without crit

flak is also not bad, I think u can 1 tap scab ragers in the head with them? also better dps on mauler bodyshots which is pretty useful

so yea just change blessings

[empty heron]

It's an abusive relationship with stockholm syndrome. I love you Darktide

[twilit glacier]

I ||unironically like|| this game

[empty heron]

It's one of my all time favs. But I still some times need a break

[wanton dawn]

Its vacation time ! I wont play much if at all till next year

[grizzled pebble]

Enjoy me fren

[wanton dawn]

I will chaos fren

[lost lake]

Does upgrading the same blessing to a higher tier count for the 2 max of switching blessings?

[cerulean ridge]

yes

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

The sole factor there is whether a slot is modified in any way.

If you change a blessing or perk, it counts as modified and uses one of your 2 available slots.

[rough palm]

What gun is everyone using for the twins on damnation ???

[dapper vessel]

Ive run it with Agrip Brauto and Columnus IAG. Plasma can also work thanks to its high cleave primary fire

Oh and Rinda takes more damage against her void shield if you use your ranged weapon at her.

It also apparently counts as Flak

[rough palm]

Weird

Are these guys unyielding and flak?

Idk what armor combo they are

[dapper vessel]

their head is Carapace and torso being Flak

[rough palm]

Heard about her shield

Oh cool okay

[dapper vessel]

with some parts of their limbs being Unarmored

[rough palm]

I like to think that I do pretty well as zealot but veteran is so much harder

[midnight totem]

huh, the heavy laspistol is.. surprisingly powerful

[rough palm]

I have way less survivability as vet

[dapper vessel]

Chainaxe with Thunderous works really well against the Twin bosses

[rough palm]

I just rolled a chain axe yesterday forgot the blessings though

I wish there was a shared inventory

[delicate estuary]

What adds spawn during the fight btw

[rough palm]

I feel like the game would benefit a lot from that

[delicate estuary]

Just elites?

[rough palm]

I think crushers and big guys spawn in damnation hard mode

[delicate estuary]

Meh

Why is it hard mode ? Cause it's auric or what

[radiant plank]

Specials spawn in too

Lots of trappers dogs mutants etc

[rough palm]

Oh yeah that too lol

My favorite is having a trapper pull you and then a pox flamer just waiting right next to them

[radiant plank]

Hard mode is activated by ringing the bells a certain way. The bosses start the fight enraged (lots more bombs from ranged twin, lots more dashing from melee twin), and much more adds in the form of specials, maulers ragers and crushers.

[gray belfry]

ah yes the 'you zigged when you should of zagged, looks like hellfire awaits'

[sharp ember]

poxwalkers, scab ragers, maulers, crushers, all specials except i think poxbursters

oh and stalker shooter squads will come in occasionally

[delicate estuary]

Bruh they couldn't even add a button on the map board to activate it 💀

So now you can have pubs just activate it whenever they feel like it

FS shining at lobby troll mechanics

[rough palm]

Lmfao

[delicate estuary]

First DHs, then the meme twin spawns, now this

[sharp ember]

not sure if a pubbie has the aptitude to do the hard mode puzzle themselves and still lack the tact to ask if the lobby wants to try

[radiant plank]

Gotta spice things up somehow

[sharp ember]

if in doubt, whack the bells to ruin the puzzle

[delicate estuary]

You would be surprised

Had a pubbie on purpose trigger 2DHs and perma die just so we can wipe

[sharp ember]

i got taxi’d to my hard mode win so i never had to do the puzzle to unlock the shortcut

yeah that’s a proper nobhead there

[delicate estuary]

In an auric maelstrom

[sharp ember]

not too fond of lights out missions because of the increased DH spawns

[delicate estuary]

Cause we weren't pacing with monstrosities modifier

And 2 psykers

[versed merlin]

imagine not waking deamonhosts because you're pissed with your team

sometimes i unironically wish i could do that

[queen mason]

You can’t hit them too many times

[sharp ember]

precisely

[queen mason]

I mean once you hit them the correct amount it doesn’t matter if they are hit again

[sharp ember]

hrm, guess i’ll die

[empty heron]

Does it have to be done on damnation? Or could you activate hardmode on heresy f.ex.

[radiant plank]

You can unlock hard mode on an easier difficulty yeah

But if you want the 3rd insignia you need to beat the fight on hard mode damnation

[empty heron]

I see. This will be a struggle then
Mostly play with some friends who could not for the sake of the emperor stay alive on normal damnation. 8 revives.

barely clutched it yesterday

[radiant plank]

Good luck, it's a tough one for sure

[empty heron]

halp

[wanton dawn]

The smite psyker pulled its weight

Flamer zealot ?

Ogryn getting top defense score cuz of 7 blocks srsly remove scores

[empty heron]

[versed merlin]

scores are something completely random and useless for me

idk what they're there for

[wanton dawn]

They are not random. They are arbitrary and badly weighted

[empty heron]

for shits and giggles

I mean the defense score should be much more heavily weighted towards damage taken imo

but it's not

[versed merlin]

🤔

[forest blaze]

Hard mode is a different level entirely 😂

[wanton dawn]

You dont need score to evaluate raw stats

[empty heron]

Also the team score is weird. Mine is horrible because I picked up ammo when no one else needed

#alwaysrunscavenger

[wanton dawn]

For instance, i could not give less of a crap about mat pickup. If anything loot goblins lose you the game in auric

Ammo pickup being tied to score makes no sense in a game where staff psyker exists

Machinery operated

Medipack deployed

Grimoire carried 💀

Really, you are better off deactivating all scores

[empty heron]

I agree somewhat. I do kind of like it not being in the base game. But I really want my friends to improve so I keep bringing up the scores whenever they do good.

and some times rant here when they do not

sorry and thank you

[midnight mortar]

CIAG mk5.

[ebon umbra]

me: this guy did nothing
scoreboard: 400 plasteel

me afterwards: that guy carried the game fr

thank you plasteel gatherers

[forest scaffold]

Sir

I shoot 5000 rounds a match as ogryn

I AM going to be looting and there's nothing you can do to stop me

[versed merlin]

you'll get bad scores!!!!11

[forest scaffold]

maybe

but it lets me do dumb shit like this

[wanton dawn]

200k overkill dmg ! You got carried

-20 score

[lofty slate]

Thinking that the plasma gun might be perfect for my mini zealot ranger with the weapon swap capstone

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is good for melee build yeah

[idle carbon]

I want to shroudfield backstab a poxwalker with a thammer as many times as humanely possible in a match and see just how much overkill damage I can get

[wanton dawn]

I have a 1m2 overkill damage scoreboard floating around

[idle carbon]

no kill like overkill

[empty heron]

what's the name of this version of scoreboard again? It's actually much better than the other one

[idle carbon]

ovenproof's scoreboard

[wanton dawn]

It isnt ovenproof though

[idle carbon]

technically an addon

[wanton dawn]

It is base one with plugin.

[forest scaffold]

several different submods

along with the base one

[idle carbon]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/241

[empty heron]

[forest scaffold]

yeah I don't really like ovenproofs

cause I'm not super interested in DOT damage

its just not relevant

All I really care about is elites/specials killed

if I'm keeping on top of those, the team wins.

Simple as

oh and ammo picked up

[idle carbon]

I like the raw numbers breakdown, at the very least it's interesting

[forest scaffold]

cause its fucking hilarious to see >5000 ammo picked up

or >13 small tins, 8 big bags, 4 ammo crates

[empty heron]

Your dream lobby is 3 other veterans running scavenger and melee build?

[forest scaffold]

No

I literally just loot the map

When you're using an achlys, and deleting literally the whole map

everyone is pretty happy with just feeding you ammo cause they don't need to use it

[wanton dawn]

My dream lobby is ppl moving forwards

[forest scaffold]

Since patch 13 dropped, teamplay skyrocketed

[empty heron]

My dream lobby is ppl just staying alive and dodging nets/dogs

[forest scaffold]

not the use of coherency, granted.

But just general teamplay mechanics like sharing meds/ammo/stims

Praise be xbox players

they aren't jaded greedy douchebags like pc "elites"

[empty heron]

90% of them can't hit a thing though

other than the burster you are trying to push

[forest scaffold]

I LITERALLY DO NOT GIVE A SHIT

I CAN LITERALLY CARRY WHOLE MATCHES BY MYSELF

[empty heron]

[forest scaffold]

SO LONG AS THEY FEED ME I AM HAPPY

[idle carbon]

I got matched up with 3 xbox players the other day, was certainly interesting
couldn't tell until the end game screen tbh

[forest scaffold]

and they're more than willing to do that

[idle carbon]

granted it was 3 zealots lol

[empty heron]

Go play with bots

[forest scaffold]

naw, even xbox players are better than bots

they may not be good at killing

but they're pretty okay about not dying

unlike bots

[empty heron]

I might be generalizing the console players a bit. I have met several solid ones

But some of the pugs are...

1800 dmg taken

[idle carbon]

the range of how good xbox players are is very wide, yes

[wanton dawn]

Ive meet fragile ppl from all classes, lvl and console

[empty heron]

true

[forest scaffold]

again, I literally outright do not care

You have to be spectacularly bad to get my attention

[copper shell]

I havent really noticed any console players but I almost solely play on auric so they propably havent reached that level yet

[forest scaffold]

because I'm too busy carrying to notice

[empty heron]

ye I think most of them do normal + try maelstrom

[empty heron]

"teamplay"

[wanton dawn]

I have a video of me being neeted for 15s on twins, with one mates litterally walking on me

This day i was mad

[forest scaffold]

if my team finishes the match

I did my job

[empty heron]

post if you can find it. Sounds hilarious and gruesome all at once

[wanton dawn]

The only reason i did not post it was cuz i cannot be bothered hiding names

[empty heron]

ah

[wanton dawn]

I think i deleted it by now. Cleaning house

[copper shell]

I also like when I have bad ppl in lobby it gives fun challenge and the amazing dopamine rush when you clutch up lost games

[wanton dawn]

I think i posted an extract earlier

[empty heron]

True. Managed to revive the whole team with 2 hp, 0 toughness and 0 stamina left. Match went from being a pain to suddenly being great fun

[forest scaffold]

Like I said, I straight up just do not notice teammates 99% of the time.

Scanning missions are the only time, really.

[wanton dawn]

Here is the extract #veteran-class message

[forest scaffold]

Hab Dreyko, Trainstation Assassination

anything that makes players interact with anything not combat

[empty heron]

omfg

[delicate estuary]

I just go refill my coffee or a bathroom break in the meantime

[empty heron]

it's literally quick click

I feel your pain

[wanton dawn]

I was mortified

[empty heron]

I've been screaming at some of my buds to just free netted ppl as quick as you can. But seems like a lot of players think it's better to clear everything else first

Which is not the case!

[delicate estuary]

Ye 0.5 seconds is faster than 5 minutes

Didn't you know

[empty heron]

👆

[wanton dawn]

Oh also: it was hm

Yeah...

[empty heron]

Unless you hid it I'm surprised you didn't go full caps lock in chat

I would

[wanton dawn]

I typed ... 3 times without posting it

[empty heron]

hahaha

[wanton dawn]

Ill try see if i kept the video

But again, i dont wanna give steam names

[delicate estuary]

Had a person type "yeah yeah yeah" after popping like 3 bursters as I was pushing. Needless to say I just let them do end event themselves

[midnight mortar]

Another sad case of not knowing freeing from a net is extremely fast. Many such cases.

[empty heron]

I mean you can literally do it as you are standing next to the netter

[wanton dawn]

One ppl went "thanks" emote 5 times on me on killing buster. I wrote "get the fuck away from buster when they are down"

[empty heron]

and then kill him after

[midnight mortar]

Yes, but they don't know it's fast is my point.

[empty heron]

Aye

[midnight mortar]

They probably think it takes the same amount of time as reviving someone would.

And of course, don't pay attention to the actual speed when they free someone from a net.

[empty heron]

Or maybe don't notice the difference

[midnight mortar]

So it doesn't get processed.

[wanton dawn]

Ppl that try pushing buster when they are on the grounds

Buster pov

[empty heron]

wHy nOt bLoW uP?

[torn root]

I swear im gambling to get a better roll on blessings but an extra .5% isnt that much right?

[sharp ember]

watching a hammer zealot run up to a knocked down burster and whack it like a piñata

[analog dagger]

People who shoot a burster while you're in kissing range trying to push it

[wanton dawn]

It is fine if they say "soz"

Crap happens

[analog dagger]

I want team damage enabled just for that

[midnight mortar]

If it's any consolation, the CIAG doesn't need the blessings as much as other weapons.

You can do just fine without tier 4 since its base characteristics are strong.

[torn root]

i have learned this but something in me needs to see the exact roll i want sometimes

[sharp ember]

my default response to poxbursters in pubs is tactically maneuvering behind my team so they can deal with it however they want

[torn root]

but i cant, not while fatshark makes plasteel so scarce

[empty heron]

This 👆

[analog dagger]

[thorn lark]

hi chat, what blessings and perks do you want on a plasma?

also, there's a dumpstat?

[low oar]

Charge speed is dump

Blaze away and gets hot

[thorn lark]

all right

as for the perks?

infested to elites?

[low oar]

Yep that's good

[thorn lark]

thank you vint

[low oar]

Infested to unyielding, carapace, flak

Anything pretty much works on plasma

And swap volatile to gets hot

[thorn lark]

hmm only got gets hot at t3

well it will suffice for now

[low oar]

Probably

[copper shell]

charge speed is important usualy ammo or thermal resist tanks the hit on high tier plasmagun as you can work with 60% ammo or thermal resistance but the slower hipfire hurts alot when dealing with big packs of elites

[low oar]

The difference between 3 and 4 for most perks is very minimal

[umbral scaffold]

Which shotgun does what

[low oar]

They all shoot for sure

[umbral scaffold]

Ik Lawbringer is the single shot sniper

[low oar]

It isnt

That's the agri if you load in a slug

[swift flax]

lawbringer is a duckbill iirc

[hallow moat]

Agrio mk VII is the sniper

[umbral scaffold]

Oh

See, They need like a little help thing for that

[copper shell]

kantarel IX is the fire shotgun

[hallow moat]

It says precise

[timber marsh]

would you buy those power swords from melk and which blessing would you extract (I rarely play veteran, only for the weekly mission but I like the power sword)

[empty heron]

Mk VI Brutal momentum and power cycler

[trim hemlock]

I would buy neither, or buy the right one and extract Power Cycler 3, if I desperately wanted to have any Power Cycler

Neither of these is particularly good

[empty heron]

General rule is you want to dumb mobility and get all other modifiers up

[timber marsh]

I'm more concerned about the blessings

[trim hemlock]

Left one you could extract Supercharged 4 from, but it’s not a good blessing all in all.

[empty heron]

and you want power cycler IV for 2 extra blessings

[timber marsh]

I wouldn't use those weapons either way

[timber marsh]

oh I thought it was decent

[empty heron]

Power Cycler is the most important.

[trim hemlock]

Well, do you know how it works?

[timber marsh]

I know it gives brittleness stacks on hit according to the description, that's all I know

[timber marsh]

aight I'll look for that then ty

[trim hemlock]

And brittleness applies a stacking debuff to its target that increases the damage they take/reduces the effectiveness of their armour type against particular attacks

This could be good, and is for some weapons

But PS has incredibly good damage values when powered already, against most armour types

So it does fuck all on the PS

[cerulean ridge]

did I just get lucky? 👀

[sharp ember]

noice

[timber marsh]

oh... then why is it available at all then ? Also wouldn't a debuff work for other team members ?

[trim hemlock]

Ye, that’s a good base

[empty heron]

Good luck

Pray

[cerulean ridge]

time for hardron to ruin it

[sharp ember]

1. to clog the roll tables for blessings
2. yes, if your teammates are attacking with weapons less than 100% effective

[cerulean ridge]

hmmmmmmmmm

[trim hemlock]

IDK, you’d have to ask Fatshark designers

The second sentence is true, you can debuff a tanky target with it, say a monster, but the payoff is very minuscule + you’d be better off just with a different blessing. Brutal Momentum is a good one on the PS, and so is Power Cycler

Most weapons don’t have malus on damage dealt against monstrosities, I.e., unyielding armour type, so debuffing it achieves relatively little

[empty heron]

And you never know. Maybe in the future they buff that particular blessing and suddenly it gets good

[trim hemlock]

So no, Supercharged is not very hot. There are better blessings for the PS

[sharp ember]

that’s a double perk change to me, the blessings are workable but good perks is paramount

[trim hemlock]

Yes, but it’s not the reality we currently are in. I’m trying to remain objective in regards to advice I give, with reference to how the game fares for now

[cerulean ridge]

yep.. not sure what perks to go for. given the nature of the gun I'd say carapace/unyielding, but #VideogameLogic might disagree

[empty heron]

Truth. But personally I like that there are lots of different blessings that are good and bad depending on patches. Makes it more interesting to keep playing the game

[timber marsh]

ok, thanks for the advices guys i'll keep my melbuks 👍

[sharp ember]

that’s always a safe pick. I find that plasma perks are just preference from Flak/Unarmored/Maniac/Carapace/Unyielding

all depends on who you wanna 1-shot or reduce hits to kill on

though I would probably recommend Maniac

[cerulean ridge]

yeah that's what the Meatgrinder is for 😉

[rough mortar]

Noob veteran question, what is best way for veteran to kill hordes? Not like ogryn that has grenade launcher or psyker with AOE staff

[idle carbon]

power sword is the typical choice
the catachan swords and shovels also do good work

[brisk sapphire]

Melee

[idle carbon]

you got shredder frags too, though you need demo stockpile and / or demo team to use them a lot (both for spam)

[empty heron]

Full grenade build with shredders is actually pretty good on high intensity

[rough mortar]

Thank you very much

[rough palm]

It’s so over

[thorn lark]

Nah, just keep hit and run and change speedload to dumdun

groaners to flak or maniacs

[delicate lotus]

I tried Agrip. Shotgun recently but how is the Kanterel Shotgun? The Graia braced is another weapon that interests me

Is there a Graia build you guys could recommend?

[final locust]

@lilac sky still no santa hat this year

😢

[rough palm]

Alright

Im gonna give that a shot

[delicate lotus]

Cadian cosmetics when?

[clear lark]

K shotty fucks

Full bore / no respite

Flak/ maniac

Is what I recc for it

FF or death spitter work in place of full bore but full bore will have more general Utility and uptime.

[forest scaffold]

^ see above

graia braced auto is kind of a meme

If it had longer crit strings it'd be pretty good on vet

but as it stands, its just kinda meh. Funny brrrrrrrrrrrrrt machine, but meh.

[delicate lotus]

I dont have a good rolled plasma thats why i tried the agrip. Shotty but i might need optimise the build more

[placid portal]

Join damnation 2 psykers with purgatus

and 1 zealot with flamer

Psykers couldnt save themselves for the life of them from the poxxies

[gray belfry]

seeing people in damnation not know how to push away poxbursters is always such a confusing moment

[placid portal]

Worse a bot spawns and melee it

[trim hemlock]

But sometimes Poxbursters don’t want to and can’t be pushed for some reason

It’s been a common occurrence for me lately

[gray belfry]

yeah but enough about knife zealots what about when someone dc's and a bot comes in

[placid portal]

Must be ghost hits

[trim hemlock]

ghost pushes

[placid portal]

Sucks when you join in and the first person you see is a zealot deep in enemy grounds downed

Then they say something salty

tbh dunno what the guy said bc I saw only boxes

[gray belfry]

'omg shit team' my brother in the emperor you are 120m away somehow, how did you even pull that off

[placid portal]

Power of Heavy Knife sprint bonus

[gray belfry]

what is it with zealots and the knife that makes them suddenly suicidal beyond belief

[oblique belfry]

feels like the average vet player in my pug games

[gray belfry]

honestly it can be any player, its just 95% of the time its always a knife zealot running loner

[oblique belfry]

once i tried to sprint and help them and they had like

5 crushers

12 maulers

5 ragers

and 1 falmer on them downed

[gray belfry]

ive had the super rare 'loner zealot with knife that actually has 2 brain cells to rub together and sticks with the group'

[oblique belfry]

oh and you wanna know how they downed ?

accidentally walked off a cliff

[gray belfry]

i was gonna say burster blew em off the ledge but thats even funnier

been running smokes recently half as a meme, and im shocked how often theyve helped against an incoming bunch of gunners/reapers

just sad i gotta run with the speed aura because point allocation is tight

[oblique belfry]

ive just started leveling my veteran, all the other classes at 30 now

[gray belfry]

its my fave class. its the whole 'being a random soldier with nothign but training, a knife and a slug shotgun vs the horde' vibe

[oblique belfry]

so far im not entierly impressed

[gray belfry]

give it time. what level is it atm

[oblique belfry]

10 or so

i was half asleep by the time i stopped playing

[delicate estuary]

Go up a difficulty

@oblique belfry

[gray belfry]

lmao yeah by then you got fuck all.

[delicate estuary]

I just slap damnation at level 15

Shit is too easy but if you are new just go up gradually

[oblique belfry]

well i wil llevel it to 30 anyways

to have all classes maxed

[jade notch]

When that happens to me, it's either because of a brain fart or I was out of Stamina at the time

[gray belfry]

oh god yeah thats a mood

ive done that a few times, run a head, forget ive lost stamina, wonder why it does nothing, eat shit

[oblique belfry]

see you should do what i do instead

have your brain malfunction and gun the poxburster down in melee range

[gray belfry]

yeah done that too

[oblique belfry]

[gray belfry]

ive pushed a few away with shout

[rotund remnant]

I finaly try New vet tree i Cant stop using Columbus autogun or aggripina braced instead of lasgun

[gray belfry]

lmao thats good. lasguns are weak atm

[tender rose]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-cewl-meme-memes-memer-gif-15057592

[oblique belfry]

once i panicked and shot a burster near my friend so he was sent over the edge and died

[rotund remnant]

Just press the trigger and do a half mag Crit is so good

[jade notch]

Literally me:

[tender rose]

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-gif-25178355

[oblique belfry]

yeah

sometime like that

[jade notch]

It do be like that sometimes. I just learned to roll with it. Just like when Pubs shoot a Poxburster I was about to shove.

[tender rose]

[rotund remnant]

So true

[oblique belfry]

oh or do like me

you push the burster back right ?

[jade notch]

I've yet to try deliberately popping a Burster so I can use the blast like a rocket jump tho. I do that with barrels sometimes.

[oblique belfry]

then you slide into the bursters explosion

[rotund remnant]

The thing i love is someone dead watching me one-shot 5 rager with the devil claw.
Parry god

[jade notch]

[oblique belfry]

get down mr president

but you're protecting no one

[urban fox]

Whats better for hardmode twins support veteran

Powersword and plasma or pioneer shovel and slug shotgun?

[forest scaffold]

how the fuck is this supposed to be fun and engaging game design

ah yes, instantly gangbanged by 8 ragers

with literally no way to get out of it

really fucking fun

[rough palm]

Always a pox flamer to get you when you’re down lol

[forest scaffold]

sorry, 9 ragers

literally a clown closet of ragers

holy fuck I hate everything about them as an enemy

[idle swallow]

throw frags at feet and start prayin for salvation

[oblique belfry]

or bombers

or normal flamers.. or a mix of all 3 !

[rough palm]

Lmfao

Trapper to rager+mauler+flamer combo makes me want to shut the game off forever

Lol

[placid portal]

Prefer getting roasted by a tox flamer after being netted

[oblique belfry]

4 bombers at the same time

tried that ?

[placid portal]

heck

Last man standing and hound licks you to death while crushers sit down and look at you struggling

[oblique belfry]

i can dodge disablers, hounds, everything but like

ragers

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-shoot-harrison-ford-nope-gif-11523430

You don't dodge ragers you deal with them

[oblique belfry]

true however i got 8 ragers barging towards me with my bolter.. that i just spent all ammo on

[placid portal]

Kinda a you problem at that point

Best to hold block

[oblique belfry]

well the 4 crushers before the ragers were the problem in this case

[placid portal]

Hope you got 3 +3 stamina curios

you can win rager duels with chainaxe mk4

[delicate estuary]

Or just shoot them

[placid portal]

Or that

The best option

As a shooty class

[idle swallow]

Utilize the veteran neutral special: A Gun

[delicate lotus]

how would a optimised skilltree for shotguns look like ?

[delicate estuary]

Or you can be a bitch and run VoC and fart in their general direction

[delicate estuary]

I am a shotgun hater cause I dislike the load slug reload load slug reload

Just let me do a full reload and use slugs and when I want to use buckshot let me do a full reload and use buckshot

[oblique belfry]

i love my bolter

[urban fox]

Why not gives us the ability to only load slug

[idle swallow]

someone at fatshark is a fan of trapdoor rifles

[delicate lotus]

is the graia braced really that much of a meme?

[fossil basalt]

By itself? Nah.
Compared to the other two? Yeah.

[delicate lotus]

my aim questionable so i tend to use weapons that dont relie too much on it

[fossil basalt]

It's got the same problems as Kan12 in that its other variants are just... better

[delicate lotus]

i know playing vet with bad aim is herectical

[fossil basalt]

Eh, I used to be that way

Then I split the difference and picked up a MkIV infantry las lol

Can't miss if it's just a hail of lasers and you let the recoil drift your aim from chest level to headshots

[delicate lotus]

Thats my tree for shotgun. Could i further optimise it ? And what would a good tree for the Graia braced?

[fossil basalt]

Still waiting for them to not be cowards and let me put run n gun on something other than 2 oggy weps and the staves

[rough palm]

Literally just happened to me lol

[fossil basalt]

That's pretty good, if you insist on graia braced I'd take the suppression increase in bottom middle tree

[oblique belfry]

Yeah i asked them to join your game

Share the pain share the fun y'know ?

[rough palm]

Thanks doc

[oblique belfry]

4 bombers a day keeps the medicae away

or something like that

[fossil basalt]

I'm personally not a big fan of survivalist but that's just me

Braced autos still need it if you don't take the suppression increase

[delicate lotus]

Is graia the best as far as Braced goes'

[fossil basalt]

Nnnno it's the worst of the three right now

[delicate lotus]

Which Braced could you recommend then?

[fossil basalt]

Columnus has a higher overall firerate and doesn't get a firerate bonus when bracing, but it's very brrt brrt, I use it for shooter suppression so my team can just ignore ranged enemies

[rough palm]

This is gonna sound stupid but why is the plasteel reward so low

[fossil basalt]

The Agrippina(?) Is the heavier model, more suited for actual killings

[rough palm]

I’ve never focused on it because I didn’t know how the crafting system worked

[fossil basalt]

One Damnation mission can have up to about 805(?) plasteel, which in most cases can get a weapon to purple rarity if not orange

[delicate lotus]

Is this one usuable?

[fossil basalt]

But to answer your question:

To keep you playing

[cerulean ridge]

it isn't. but maybe that team just tried punching above its weight.

[fossil basalt]

Take it to blue and see what blessing you get?

Cause yeah, that's almost perfect apart from the carapace buff

[rough palm]

That’s cool but every mission is like 20-30 mins

Kinda nuts

[forest scaffold]

Oh yeah, they were all freshies.

Way in above their heads

[fossil basalt]

Yep, that's how they've built this, sadly

[forest scaffold]

Not at all prepared for Auric. I can't even fault them. I'm mostly frustrated with Fatshark for not gatekeeping the difficulty more effectively.

[forest scaffold]

TRS-150 Relay Station Low Intensity Damnation

fastest run in the game

[sharp ember]

level 15? have at damnation in pubs champ

[forest scaffold]

and has the easiest plasteel route

you'll net about 750 plasteel each run.

[cerulean ridge]

auric is for lvl30 only btw

[fossil basalt]

Unless you're brought in by a friend

[forest scaffold]

Auric could be gatekept by requiring at least two classes at level 30

at the very least

I'd say 4

but uh

that'd kill the whole auric community

[cerulean ridge]

but auric damnation is overrated anyway. it's a pure unadulterated shitshow for literally no benefit other than being a glutton for punishment

[forest scaffold]

eh

sorta but not really

Its just Auric Hi-STG that's a shitshow

the rest of the time its just damnation

with literally no other changes

[cerulean ridge]

I'd still play normal damnation over auric damnation. chance of successfully finishing a mission is much higher, you get the same mats, just coins are lower, but since you finish more missions faster, ... 🤷

[zealous wyvern]

thats mean

i have like 900 hours with vet only

i want permission to play auric too

i suppose i could delete one of my vets, level psyker to 30, then delete them and make a new vet

[forest scaffold]

it takes a day to level up a new class

[south garnet]

Auric dam qps are the only difficulty that provides the possibility of failure without being actual work like auric maels tend to be, which is why I like them

[forest scaffold]

and 100% makes you a better player

[zealous wyvern]

yeah but having 5 lvl 30 vets still makes you an alright player

depending on your talent

[fossil basalt]

FYI I'd take that to blue and see if you get dumdum, reroll the blessing into a tier 4 blessing you already have or a lower tier blessing that's not so good on a columnus (think speedloader or whatever) so you have a better chance for a tier 4 blessing you DO want when you bring it to orange

For perks your priority is +maniacs and +flak, followed by anything else

Columnus really only needs one blessing to be good: Dumdum

[south garnet]

I can bring any stupid build to auric dam

[forest scaffold]

Oh yeah, this was the result of that match.

I tried my best.

The ragers got me and my team immediately folded

[forest scaffold]

that was with a gray MGIV on counterfire vet btw

[zealous wyvern]

but who folded first

(probably your team you revived countless times)

[forest scaffold]

Me. By 9 ragers.

I mean I died twice and went down three times

So I wasn't a perfect angel.

But that's just the counterfire vet life.

Either you treat the game disgustingly passively or run up against the shit wall that fatshark created with vet's tree.

Where the fuck is my defensive utility

[oblique belfry]

Dodge button

Enjoy

[fossil basalt]

It's in smokes, which they can't make too strong or psykers will have nothing

[forest scaffold]

you can't dodge ragers

[forest scaffold]

I would uh

argue that psyker is the best or second best class right now.

If you're willing to break the mould and go gunker

[fossil basalt]

Defensively, and yeah, I gunker main

[forest scaffold]

kickback ogryn is the best class

[fossil basalt]

Laspistol go pewpew

[forest scaffold]

Its kinda sad that ogryn and psyker gun better than veteran

even if you commit full left side on vet

Fatshark really obliterated this poor man because of one talent

Fuck you Unwavering Focus, and it wasn't even the players' fault Fatshark wildly overcorrected from their own design decisions. Granted, that's really all they do. Just look at the new balance patch for VT2

[fossil basalt]

They really kinda did just kick vets to the curb and hum and haw about making them somewhat usable comparatively

[celest vine]

I had a kid who said I suck after I killed 6 crushers but the 7th got me

[forest scaffold]

that shit has been cooking for years and its insane how broken OE is now.

[celest vine]

Tbagged him when he downed

He downed alot

[forest scaffold]

Nah, I try my best not to take it out on teammates. These guys were clearly just not ready for Auric.

[fossil basalt]

So we CAN have a dedicated ranged class

[forest scaffold]

Everyone has tof fail every now and again.

[trim hemlock]

I don’t agree with this sentiment, but I somewhat agree that it has merit, just not in all the possible situations

[celest vine]

I mean he was asking for it

[forest scaffold]

Ogryn with a kickback literally invalidates all three of veteran's builds.

A talentless ogryn

with a kickback

completely invalidates everything about veteran

Pain

[sharp ember]

the guard will never surrender no matter how wavering our focus is

[celest vine]

sniper at long range

[forest scaffold]

two shots

at any range

[fossil basalt]

Yeah but kickback is 40(?) Pellets of unadulterated buckshot

[forest scaffold]

and its dead

[celest vine]

3

[trim hemlock]

Maybe in a vacuum, but Kickback doesn’t do a lot of things that say, Plasma or Bolter do

[forest scaffold]

the kickback is fucking nuts

[celest vine]

Or one lasgun shot

[fossil basalt]

One with surgical

[forest scaffold]

Oh, I use surgical and blaze away

since it covers everything

[trim hemlock]

It dishes out damage, but that’s a fall out from its obscene minimal pellet count and obliterating of horde enemies

[celest vine]

Also veteran does way more boss burst damage

Not even funny

[trim hemlock]

I do agree that KB is overtuned, but comparing it to Vet options is just inadequate

[fossil basalt]

And how pellet armor calcs work, don't forget that

[forest scaffold]

Everything about the kickback is just incredibly overtuned right now.

Cleave, Damage, Minimum Pellet Count, Stagger, Ammunition Pool.

[oblique belfry]

While kickback is good nothing will beat Rumblers thump boom.

It's too satisfying

[celest vine]

A kickback is no where near a replacement for a competent veteran with a lasgun or plasmagun

Its good to handle ogryns long range weakness

Veteran will still outperform it in gunfights

[barren cave]

does the penance for taking no melee damage include toughness damage

or just health

[celest vine]

Yes

Do not get hit with any melee

It can deal zero damage

Still counts

[barren cave]

time to go spam spacebar on malice ig

[celest vine]

No the cheese still works with it

[barren cave]

what cheese?

[celest vine]

Jump off the map, dont get revived until the very end

[forest scaffold]

uh

unless that was patched

this is untrue

[barren cave]

LMAO

[forest scaffold]

I got it taking damage

but it was all toughness

[marsh condor]

If I'm building the Bolter as a sniper weapon, which blessings should I use?

[forest scaffold]

Granted, that was like a year ago now

[fossil basalt]

Uhh, you can get the on overwatch penance as long as your hp doesn't take a hit

[forest scaffold]

But, if it hasn't been explicitly patched, only HP damage counts

[celest vine]

I got it a month ago

[forest scaffold]

this just isn't true

[celest vine]

Take out 12 gunner fast

[forest scaffold]

and frankly feels like it comes from someone with zero personal experience in the matter.

[celest vine]

I bet my vet will do it faster

[forest scaffold]

A kickback completely invalidates every single one of vet's roles

[marsh condor]

I get Surgical is a viable option, but what else?

[forest scaffold]

For?

[marsh condor]

^

[forest scaffold]

Oh, bolter.

Pinning Fire.

[marsh condor]

Okay.

Speaking of, how does it work exactly?

[forest scaffold]

Which one

Pinning Fire?

[marsh condor]

Yeah

[forest scaffold]

Every time you stagger an enemy, you get one stack of power.

[fossil basalt]

Faster at range, maybe?

But kickback literally says "fuck you, sit down" and you can just have your entire team go and bully them to death

[forest scaffold]

4.25-5% depending on tier 1 through 4 of the blessing

[marsh condor]

Do you have to stagger multiple enemies to get the effect, or just stagger?

[forest scaffold]

power is damage, cleave, and stagger.

Just stagger

and only one enemy

[marsh condor]

Ah.

[celest vine]

While you were reloading I killed 3 more gunners with my lasgun

[marsh condor]

I was mostly wondering since the wording seems off.

[celest vine]

And the sniper that wasnt noticed

[marsh condor]

Which Perks for Bolter?

[fossil basalt]

I mean, yeah. My lasgun does that too, kickback still suppressed all twelve of them for the next effectively 10 seconds

[celest vine]

Maniac and unyielding

[forest scaffold]

Elites and Carapace

You shoudn't need maniac

not with vet's ranged buffs

you'll get the natural one-shots without maniac

[celest vine]

Destroying mutants is really funny

[forest scaffold]

So I'd go +Elites and +Carapace

[celest vine]

Supression is bad, why send them to cover when you can just kill them?

Extends fights

[fossil basalt]

Death is not CC

[forest scaffold]

Inb4 the ogryn you're playing with does 1.7 million damage

and you've done 500k only hunting elites and specials

Its literally impossible to state how overwhelmingly broken the kickback is right now.

You can only understand it when you go play it yourself.

And you clearly haven't.

[celest vine]

I have, its not a veteran replacement

Not even close to it

[fossil basalt]

I literally only play my Ogryn when I want to win

[forest scaffold]

All of ogryn is a veteran replacement

Exhibit A

and this isn't even with a kickback

[celest vine]

Looks like the veteran killed all the trappers, snipers, and bombers

He did his job well

[fossil basalt]

I will give way that vet can have a variety of roles, and a good special removing vet is a beauty

But if you have a kickback ogryn anywhere on your team, none of those save the sniper in the very nichest of situations was ever really a threat if they were doing their job

[marsh condor]

Should I get Deadshot with the sniper Boltgun?

[wicked gate]

im so happy i got make every shot count

when i don't want to do the penace

i end up doing it

[fossil basalt]

I say this as both a kickback ogryn and as a vet that works with a kickback ogryn: anything he doesn't mulch, I'll finish off while I watch his back

It'll be the easiest plasteel I've gotten in a week

[placid portal]

ye

Vet imo is can fit best as anti shooter or big game hunter

[celest vine]

Kill those gunners

Kill the stalkers

[marsh condor]

Should I also get 20+ Rending (by combining with Rending Strikes with the Marksman Rending)?

[placid portal]

Gun them down, every last one of em

Personally the Marksman stacks giving 10% rending is kinda meh imo

[marsh condor]

True, but I'm asking if I should add another 10% more.

[placid portal]

nah

better places to put 1 skill point

[fossil basalt]

I haven't found a good use for the rending perk

Problem is if they buff it there's a very slim line between dead talent and brokenly OP

[placid portal]

Maybe if it scaled per stack instead of capping out the stacks to gain benefit would be nice

[marsh condor]

1.5% per stack?

[fossil basalt]

I mean, it's just such a low benefit anyways when you're THAT far down a tree IMO

[placid portal]

True

Not that Marksmen was a good keystone for lot of the weapons

[fossil basalt]

There's so many options for a different way to spend that talent, even earlier in the same tree

[celest vine]

Ive found its best with automatic weapins

[marsh condor]

Ironic.

[placid portal]

Autoguns do have pretty insane finesse modifier

[fossil basalt]

And a Infantry las MkIV

[celest vine]

Lets you stay mobile while keeping benefits

[celest vine]

Exactly

“Its the marksman perk”

works best with automatic spam fire guns

[placid portal]

Well if an automatic weapon is accurate then it's a marksmen weapon

[celest vine]

It would be so much better if walking didnt get rid of stacks

[fossil basalt]

You CAN put it on the Ia but the firerate increase from weapon specialist (as far as keystones go) is better for it

[celest vine]

Or if there was a keystone upgrade that got rid of the stack drain while walking

[fossil basalt]

There is! Get headshots.

[placid portal]

^

Ngl Exhil is a fun perk to pair with Confirm kill

Makes me remember the good ol days of old Confirm kill

[celest vine]

Yes

Which is easiest with automatic weapins

[placid portal]

esp if it's a shotgunner kill squad

they line up so well

[celest vine]

They keep their heads so still

MG1A goes to town on them

[fossil basalt]

Marksmans Focus is balanced out by the fact you need to actually shoot heads to keep it up. If it didn't lose stacks often it would be the most broken keystone

[untold mulch]

Fatshark design team be like

[fossil basalt]

That's why camo is a cracked talent

[placid portal]

you could keep stacks while moving

Crab walking

[untold mulch]

💀

[fossil basalt]

🦀

[serene bough]

does anyone actually crab walk to build stacks

[fossil basalt]

Sometimes

[untold mulch]

I have not seen it outside of memeing, but who knows

[placid portal]

I do not mentally press crouch unless cheering and sliding

[fossil basalt]

I usually frontline with my MkIV lasrifle so clearing lines of fire for the rest of my team has become second nature

Too many times unloading a clip into the back of someone's head

Waiting for the day FS re-add friendly fire

[wicked gate]

use a lasgun with high damage and critical

shit is insane

i got 100% chance critical

blessing

[tiny summit]

I like it with my helbore mk1

It's fun when the rager pack comes and with a few stacks they all start getting 1 tapped in head and body

[fossil basalt]

Ooo yeah that'd put it somewhere under the MkIII but with a higher firerate, right?

[tiny summit]

Dunno

I don't do numbers

[fossil basalt]

I only do them conceptually

Won't see me with a calculator lol

[placid portal]

MK3 does even better carapace dmg

800 mk3 vs 400 mk1 & 2

[tiny summit]

People keep talking about moving making you lose stacks but 3 headshot kills on chaff gets you to 9, you get to move off the headshots, and you only lose the stacks 1 at a time while you move. I just wish it gave something else over 1% reload speed per stack and that 10% rending on 10+ stacks is ass when you can go to the middle tree and get rending at all times

[placid portal]

you could effectively 2 tap crushers and even push it to 1 tap crit

[placid portal]

better yet you could just deal more damage and refund stamina & toughness on marking an elite

[tiny summit]

1 tapping on my own makes me feel good

[versed merlin]

is there a mod to improve iron sights?

or just replace it?

[tiny summit]

Weapon customization mod

[versed merlin]

oh god not that abomination of a mod

im afraid of becoming a monster and turning my laspistol into a sniper rifle

[fossil basalt]

It's the only way, sadly

[tiny summit]

Well that's what you have and you can make it as curse as you want

[fossil basalt]

I personally like a laspistol shooting bolter rounds

[versed merlin]

fuck it, i think its for the best if i just git gud

[tiny summit]

Plasma barrel with lasgun mag

[fossil basalt]

Bolt pistol when :c

[orchid musk]

We are shooting the bolt pistol. It’s just spacemarine size.

[tiny summit]

It's a bolt pistol, but sized up to look like a bolter for us to make us feel better

[placid portal]

Oh no don't give the ogryn any ideas

Last time someone said that the Commisaar's ogryn ripped off a heavy Boltor Mount and went heads first into the ork swarm

[marsh condor]

We're actually using police Bolters.

[placid portal]

the arbites issue boltgun?

[versed merlin]

well, considering that the plasma guy from the twins wield that shit like its just a pistol....

[marsh condor]

Yes

[tiny summit]

Ogryn only held back by what you don't give him

[marsh condor]

Well, the Locke pattern is kind of an old Arbites pattern.

It's popular in the Koronus Sector.

[versed merlin]

ok now i understand why i hate vraks so much

ads from this thing is just 1000x zoom

[hardy ember]

Seeing as scion cosmetics got data mined. Can we hope for a hotshot lasgun for veterans?

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/watanabe-punishing-gray-raven-pgr-gif-3936201233961034508

[versed merlin]

no wonder why i always felt so lost and unprotected while aiming with this thing

[celest vine]

Theres definitely other plasma gun variants in the works

[tiny summit]

PGR posted.

[celest vine]

The commissary weapon appearances prove this

[marsh condor]

Give Psykers a Bolt Pistol

(jk)

[placid portal]

FS is planning some Double barrel shotty meme power

[versed merlin]

wait what

[celest vine]

The commissisary plasma gun skins extend the barrel

[versed merlin]

[celest vine]

And the same happens with the chainswords

[versed merlin]

where can i see this

[celest vine]

Amd the shovel skins were all folding shovels

Before folding shovels cam in game

[placid portal]

Hoo boi, last time the inquisition gave a sanctioned psyker a boltgun he executed one of the Operatives and had to be terminated

[celest vine]

So yeah

[marsh condor]

But really.

[tiny summit]

They took away our shotguns from the beta. Bullshit

[celest vine]

Commisarry gives previews of what varients are to come

[marsh condor]

Imagine if we get the Solo Boltgun.

[celest vine]

So one more cadia chainsword and plasma guns

[marsh condor]

Which is basically the discount Stalker Bolter.

[celest vine]

The bolgun skin changes the magazine from a curved to a stick mag

And changes up the barrel a little bit

[limber egret]

besides the perk is this good?

its from melk

[celest vine]

Very useable

[versed merlin]

i'd buy it and swap next blessing and infested if the next blessing is trash

[celest vine]

Unyielding is good to have

[limber egret]

i was thinking of getting it since supposely this autogun is good

[versed merlin]

otherwise, if its good blessing, just swap both perks to flakiac

[celest vine]

Kills bulwarks and reapers fast

[limber egret]

but also seems fun to use

[celest vine]

If you get a good blessing like dumdum youre gold

[limber egret]

what blessing is that?

oh it does this

[placid portal]

raking fire is also a meme but really good if you like flanking

[limber egret]

so out of all these blessings what would be the two best ones?

[placid portal]

Dum dum ranking is my favorite

[midnight totem]

Raking fire is an entire 180 degree angle behind your target

[celest vine]

Deathspitter and dumdum

Would be good

[midnight totem]

It's very good with an infiltrate vet

[celest vine]

Raking fire works with infiltrate

Yes

[limber egret]

oh well i got this

after upgrading it

[zealous wyvern]

braced autogun is unironically the best ranged weapon ever to farm malice

[celest vine]

Thats good

[midnight totem]

That's pretty

[zealous wyvern]

you just kill everything, never run out of ammo and suppress anything too far away to aim at

[celest vine]

Perk changes

[placid portal]

I mean enemy HP in Malice is kinda low ye?

[zealous wyvern]

braced autos are amazing

yeha

its easy obviously

[limber egret]

tho is deathspitter good tho? since it requires close range kill and its only 6%?

or does it stack?

[zealous wyvern]

but its by far the most "clearing" gun in malice imo

[placid portal]

close range is 8m range

[midnight totem]

A kill is a kill

[placid portal]

and deathspitter stacks 5 times

[zealous wyvern]

maybe regular autogun might outdo it actually

[limber egret]

wait it does?

[placid portal]

ye

[limber egret]

Oof it doesnt even say it does

[celest vine]

Ismt it still bugged?

[placid portal]

nah

[celest vine]

Where its at any range still

[zealous wyvern]

that sounds breaking

[celest vine]

It was bugged that way for a bit

[placid portal]

Dum dum stacks up at any range but power bonus is not applied beyond close range

[celest vine]

Not sure if it was patched

[limber egret]

Oof bruh i had taken off deathspitter a few times on my heavy stubber

[celest vine]

Probably fixed now

[limber egret]

since it didnt say it stacked

tho fire frenzy and death spitter seems a good combo yes?