veteran-class

[tall torrent]

I think the melee 10% dmg node on top right is incredible

[torn gorge]

some weapons do not allow you to cleave multiple targets on their weakspots

[viscid marlin]

it's fine, but in my testing i did more damage with the weakpoint overall

[torn gorge]

due to their attack patterns

[tall torrent]

Should take as long as ur not using power sword

So that’s 2 points gone if you’re going from frag pathing

[viscid marlin]

i do use a lot of power sword..

rip

[tall torrent]

Ok skip those 2

Demo team

Incredibly strong

15% elite

[viscid marlin]

the 5% only on elites"?

[tall torrent]

Probably helps more than shock troop

[viscid marlin]

its 5%

[tall torrent]

Elites & specialists

[torn gorge]

5% on elites/specialists means on average every 20 of those you get a nade

[viscid marlin]

i think i would probably take field improv before i took that

[tall torrent]

Scab trapper
Poxburster
Pox hound
Dreg tox flamer
Scab flamer
Mutant
Scab sniper
Scab bomber
Scab rager
Dreg rager
Dreg gunner
Scab gunner
Scab shotgunner
Dreg shotgunner
Scab mauler
Crusher
Bulwark
Reaper

[torn gorge]

that talent scales with difficulty substantially

[tall torrent]

Any of these

[terse idol]

I mean field prov fits another niche

[terse idol]

Well I mean in theory

[viscid marlin]

i guess, but ive never fealt like i was really wanting more grenades on vet

[terse idol]

All the discussion we have is based on damnation/auric

[torn gorge]

not in theory, in practice as well

[terse idol]

So it's always gonna make value

[tall torrent]

Are u using krak or frag

[torn gorge]

unless you are somebody who likes to sit on their nade charges

[viscid marlin]

frags

[terse idol]

Not for lower difficultys

[viscid marlin]

usually, mostly for the stun

i can kill crushers in two taps so i dont usually need kraks

[tall torrent]

Frags really benefit from demo stockpile + demo team, then taking grenade tinkerer

It’s such a strong combo

[viscid marlin]

really? i felt like the damage was so low even with tinkerer against anything i really would have had trouble killing that i just point into other things

[tall torrent]

2 frags with tinkerer can wipe rooms

It’s basically an Ogryn nuke that kills over time rather than instant

[viscid marlin]

we have vastly different experiences with frags then

only thing ive been using them for is revives or crusher group stuns

i threw three without tinkerer and it barely killed a gunner before

[torn gorge]

also twinned blast tbh

post buff is noticeable

[viscid marlin]

that's a little too much rng for my tastes

even at 20%

ill try tinkerer though

[vast mica]

any suggestions for my 2nd modification? mostly shooting so this is a last ditch effort if it gets pulled out

[viscid marlin]

if you are going last ditch is there a particular reason you picked the chainsword?

[vast mica]

have a nice power sword, but the charge feels a bit too inconsistent. dagger is nice too, but not enough wave clear when needed

[viscid marlin]

i would probably remove damage infested, it does so much damage with that cleave you really shouldn't need that and could just take two other damage types

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1187465611484352633/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.12.21_-_13.43.41.01.mp4?ex=6596fc87&is=65848787&hm=294ccbbe41df24ec6c4e26efb29f0d84427a00479cb157b008aab24056db7412&

[viscid marlin]

i would put flack on for sure

[vast mica]

i'll give that a go, thx :)

[tall torrent]

IMO
Infested -> flak
Bloodletter -> rampage

[viscid marlin]

how far is the damage falloff when they aren't that close but the grenade still hits?

yeah i would nyx bloodletter for rampage on that too

savage sweep rampage is really good on chainsword

i guess i need to see what two points i can nyx for tinkerer then

[tall torrent]

Scab gunner still dies
Dreg gunner gets left on a sliver of health

[viscid marlin]

hmm

really good still then

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1187466823260717197/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.12.21_-_13.48.19.03.mp4?ex=6596fda8&is=658488a8&hm=6a1774c9e787e9d4a33664f6c136d402ec406b9d538f959f6bb774452e6cd927&

[viscid marlin]

now to free up two perks

[tall torrent]

Scab gunner dies very consistently from 2 frags

[viscid marlin]

makes sense

what's your full build then?

if you were using a power sword i mean

what would it look like

[tall torrent]

Depends on what weapons I’m taking

I generally go power sword + revolver for material farming lol

[serene sage]

wait it doesn't kill dreg? for some reason in game I feel like I can kill dregs fairly consitently

maybe this is the case to make for Fire Team

if you are not running ping keystone ig

[swift ingot]

Mk4 chainsword

[tall torrent]

It prob is because they’ve been shot by ur teammates

[serene sage]

#veteran-class message

first clip, that's 2 frag and I don't think they were triggered/shot by teammates, I also don't have any stacks of redirect fire

[tall torrent]

Shotgunner is different story cuz they have 400 less health

[serene sage]

those are dreg gunners

1400 heatlh

[tall torrent]

I think it needs to be thrown more accurately on them

Just somewhat inconsistent in my experience?

[serene sage]

fire team it is then

we found the one reason to take it boys

[bitter turtle]

I usually take fire team if im going tinkerer anyway

[serene sage]

yeah a general 5% boost is not nothing

[bitter turtle]

its worse than surv, but some guns dont need it

and fuck my teammates

[serene sage]

idk why people hate it when 10% melee is actually godlike

[bitter turtle]

yeah its in a very good spot on the tree relative to otehr strong talents

so sometimes its just better to take it

[serene sage]

like yeah it's 5% but for everything, and for the team, and you get tinkered on the way instead of the meme catch a breath/get back if you want survivalist

i would skip survivalist if I can

[tall torrent]

This is my highest winrate build lol

[serene sage]

p good

[ebon umbra]

needs more no one left behind

[bitter turtle]

i'd rather take

grenadier

[serene sage]

im leaving everyone behind

[bitter turtle]

than that

lol

[serene sage]

[bitter turtle]

that extra grenade stored is really good

its hard to pick it up nowadays though

i used to have it on every build with the old trees

[serene sage]

other than plasma, which gun is least dependent on the talent tree?

probably revolver or las pistol?

[bitter turtle]

i guess revolver isnt dependent but it really benefits so much from right tree

its still igood without it but

[serene sage]

im thinking what to take if I want a full grenade build

like everything

nay

it wants scatter and something else i think, maybe flechette?

[umbral scaffold]

is flechette good?

[bitter turtle]

btw

i havent used rashad before

does i tneed the right tree aspd

it feels like it swings so slow

[tall torrent]

U need any means to reach both dreg bruiser 1 tap breakpoint

Easiest way I think is 30% weakpoint + 10% melee

Mercy killer + uncanny strike is the meta

Take serrated blade talent

[bitter turtle]

dreg bruiser head is unarmored rihgt

[tall torrent]

Prob yea

[tall torrent]

Flak

Flak 687.5
Unarmored 625

[bitter turtle]

oh ok

[tall torrent]

This one hits both breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

so attackspeed is optional right

[fresh mango]

[graceful glen]

son of a bitch... he actually did it

oh wait mk II

[swift ingot]

@tall torrent what should I do with the extra 2 points from dropping weakspot damage and the toughness node from the right?

[tall torrent]

U don’t need onslaught

[swift ingot]

I’m just testing this setup out

[fossil basalt]

Looking in LFG and building three other players to not fail auric damnations? Lol

This game is not built for soloing.

[candid tundra]

I'd grab field improv

[muted knot]

whats better here?

[candid tundra]

Gets hot

[fossil basalt]

Right one, yeah

[candid tundra]

Personally I run gets hot and blaze away

[muted knot]

just looking at basestats here

[fossil basalt]

Still the right one

[candid tundra]

Left ones stats are higher but right is generally better

[muted knot]

good

[swift ingot]

@tall torrent thinking of dropping a point to take demo team, what do you think I should drop?

[restive mountain]

REJOICE BROTHERS

IT IS ADDED INTO THE CODE

[swift ingot]

No fucking way

[restive mountain]

Yes

No top or bottom yet

But the helmet is there

[swift ingot]

If Scions are getting added that means there’s hope for Valhallan Ice Warriors

[bitter turtle]

autorevive is bad

dont take it

[fossil basalt]

Many say autorevive is bad because not only does it bring the Area of Effect down, it also increases the cooldown

The other modifier that gives additional over-toughness is best used frequently, meaning they're a bit at odds with each other

[swift ingot]

My reaction to this information

[restive mountain]

There's a snow camo cap

And a Green ushanka

And a green commisar cap aswell

[fossil basalt]

I'm just here waiting for my Tanith inspired "premium" cosmetics sets

[restive mountain]

The Tanith set got fucking shredded

Pulled into multiple other sets

[fossil basalt]

Voice of Command and tagging keystone or a keystone-less grenade build tends to be what the crowd in here... ehm... repeats a lot

You could, but that talent point is honestly best spent elsewhere.

It's the old "if you plan to fail, you will" mindset

Look, I think Only In Death is GOATed when used properly, and I love it

[dense pebble]

just hit 30 on my vet and melk gave me this any ideas what to change?

[fossil basalt]

But if you really want to carry on Auric damnations, it's better to put it somewhere where you see more frequent utility out of the single point

Like grenade timkerer or field improv

[viscid marlin]

Hmm.. I don't think my grenade tinkerer is actually working. The grenade damage total seems to be more or less the same.

[fossil basalt]

Sadly that ability won't stop the daemonhost from killing someone, but yeah I've saved lots of runs with it

Like the bottom of the elevator marketplace in the Torrent, had three downs there all bunched up cause they stood in the middle of the room with no cover

[bitter turtle]

i say its bad bc it only works on downs

not rescues

it would be

SO

GOOD

if it worked on rescues lul

[fossil basalt]

Lul is right haha

[bitter turtle]

imagine running knife vet with revive shout if it worked on rescues

[fossil basalt]

I'd run it instead of infil, as a knife vet

[tall torrent]

Drop onslaught, take demo team and middle keystone prob

I’m not sure u need the 25 toughness on right tree either

[midnight totem]

Does the krak grenade kill a crusher without tinker on auric/damnation?

[fossil basalt]

Yeah, I definitely enjoy Only In Death just so I can cover someone being a little dumb, for lack of a better term

[restive mountain]

Everything I could find so far, no pants oddly

[bitter turtle]

yes

tinker on krak is for killing monstros faster

doesnt affect normal enemies

[swift ingot]

I am foaming at the mouth I am so pumped

[bitter turtle]

basically

since the n romal one already oneshots

[fossil basalt]

Should, yeah

Tinkerer will increase radius and damage to make it so you miiight kill some other lighter elites in the blast

[bitter turtle]

oh yeah

supposedly it helps the radius to tag multiple enemis too

[restive mountain]

There seems to be a trend with the ice mourn outfits all not having pants but a top and head piece

[midnight totem]

I thought only shedder increased radius

But that's good to know

[fossil basalt]

Throne, is the tinkerer talent just a fethload of spahgetti code? Lmfao

It gave stun immunity earlier

[swift ingot]

When these get added, I’m going to start using the plasma gun, or the Melta gun if it gets added by the time these do. The reason should be quite obvious to some

[fossil basalt]

More tanna, sir?

[swift ingot]

I love that beautiful smelly bastard

[fossil basalt]

He's a GOAT

[restive mountain]

[swift ingot]

He is THE goat

[midnight totem]

Gotta run survival, grenade restock, and field inprov

[swift ingot]

Just incase Melta doesn’t get added when these release, drop me the recommended talent setup and build for plasma

[restive mountain]

Everyone looks like they're getting a clean set of drill fatigue pants aswell

[swift ingot]

I want to start working on it early

So what are the recommended perks and blessings for plasma?

Also what is the dump stat for it?

@tall torrent could I get some help please?

[viscid marlin]

if you like focus target you can reach a one shot headshot with plasma on a non crit for crushers

[tall torrent]

elite + carapace/unyielding
unarmored is ok for saving breakpoints so u can afford other talents

goal is to 1 shot both gunners & flamers in the head without crit

[swift ingot]

And for blessings and stats?

[copper pine]

Gets got and blaze away are preferred, most popular dump stat is thermal resistance

[tall torrent]

blessings don't matter as much

[viscid marlin]

plasma is pretty much already good, whatever you want for blessings is fine

[bitter turtle]

ya i miss that

that was fun

[viscid marlin]

if you want gloryhunter for regen, get hot for massive crits, whatever really

[copper pine]

But yeah blessings aren't necessary for plasma

[swift ingot]

So a base like this?

What’s a usual talent setup look like for plasma?

[wet elk]

one of the teamates of all times

(that sniper laser pointed confused the hell out of me)

[fossil basalt]

Situational awareness: 0

[tall torrent]

U can just take mine

[swift ingot]

Mom can I have Melta gun? Now sweetie we have Melta gun at home.

[tall torrent]

This works for plasma/helbore + Rashad axe

[scenic bronze]

Damnit I was watching that and got shot by a sniper

[swift ingot]

Melta gun at home

[slender turtle]

Sniper on point

[swift ingot]

Still going to use chainsword

[tall torrent]

If only chainswords had usable special against armor

[slender turtle]

How's the graia mk8 autogun? Never hear it being talked about

[copper pine]

It's good, it is just overshadowed by the colomus right now

[slender turtle]

I see why. Columns just has better crit chance, right?

[copper pine]

Yeah basically

Much easier to control as well

[slender turtle]

I got a mk8 with 379 score with not bad perks/blessings. I just never batted an eye at it or seen people use it

[copper pine]

Yeah it's completely viable still, same story with the agripina

[haughty pond]

am I late with it?

[copper pine]

Yeah was posted yesterday

But still hyped for it to release

[slender turtle]

I like swapping from columns to agri but never thought about the in-between gun. Gonna give it a try

[scenic bronze]

Each day we stroll closer to elysian skin

[slender turtle]

More like we get closer to becoming the scab troops. We need more enclosed helmets

let me be a kasrkin damn it fatshark

[haughty pond]

hand over rebreathers

[midnight mortar]

We have rebreathers. The problem is visors.

[haughty pond]

MORE rebreathers

with different helmets and stuff

[copper pine]

I just want a helmet that has a funny voice modulation I'm feeling left out that the other classes do

[slender turtle]

I'm sure some dev is making an argument about not using visors in tunnels or what not

Commando armor set is begging for a helmet with an actual visor to go with it

[midnight mortar]

I'd believe it. Still remember them balancing the brace of pistols in VT2 based on realism complaints off of Reddit.

[hardy ember]

Is that scion helmet legit?

[midnight mortar]

It's in the files.

[halcyon jackal]

this better have a modulator

[halcyon jackal]

ogryn doesn't do they?

[midnight mortar]

The hope is that it'll be released.

[hardy ember]

The the scion armor is a thing. Let’s hope hot shot lasguns or hellguns will be on the way too

[midnight mortar]

There's no scion pants or chestpiece. Those will likely be recolored Cadian pieces.

Only a helmet and backpack.

[gaunt stratus]

whats the current meta veteran gun

[midnight mortar]

Plasma, revolver, Helbores mk1 or 2.

CIAG 5.

[gaunt stratus]

i thought the hellbores mk3 was better now

[midnight mortar]

The mk3's bayonet is inherently bad due to swing speed, attack pattern, and slowdown.

Also the mk3 has input buffer issues that aren't fixed.

[copper pine]

Ogryn does it not in shop rotation currently

[terse idol]

Now to be fair the braced pistols before were pretty strong
Infinite pistols out of saltz coat
No reload just mag dump 30 rounds

[midnight mortar]

*20 but yes I can agree with that.

[flint garden]

i swear qping into reg damn histg is always a clusterfuck

[hardy ember]

Still waiting on hellguns, bolt pistol and plasma pistols and melta guns

[south garnet]

This gives me intense and violent urges

[flint garden]

and ofc i requeue into another one

[midnight mortar]

My problem was they cited the "um well no one carries 20 individual pistols on them into battle" argument and then decided the more ""realistic"" approach was to fucking manually muzzle reload a dual wielded brace of pistols.

The hypocrisy bothered me more than the balance change necessarily.

[south garnet]

[wet elk]

damn the other classes redacted panances are piss easy

compaired to zealot

[south garnet]

What are the zealot redacted ones? Going down 10 times in 5 seconds?

[wet elk]

yes

[fresh mango]

is the mk6 combat blade worth building into?

[tall torrent]

Zealot redacted is actually easiest imo

Only hard ones are “kill 40 enemies stunned by grenade in 10s” and “<20min speedrun with <1 wound of health for 75% the time”

[delicate estuary]

second one you just get carried

we helped a friend some time ago

did it in 13 minutes

[wet elk]

“<20min speedrun with <1 wound of health for 75% the time”

thats the one im talking about...

the big redacted one

[tall torrent]

Yea that one is actually easy lol

That’s like the hardest zealot redacted penance and it’s still easy lol

[tall torrent]

Yea u just go for the torrent assassination mission and speedrun

[delicate estuary]

yep

[tall torrent]

We did heresy hi intensity and finished boss in 14 mins

[delicate estuary]

that was the only penance I did legit on release

6 hours of pain with some people in the strike team VCs

ended up doing it in the train mission

[haughty pond]

run off 100 times and complain about eventual defeat to your teamamates calling them useless

[tall torrent]

Vet’s on overwatch and MESC are way more frustrating lol

[delicate estuary]

had a zealot do that in a match

he got mad we couldnt pace with double psycher and vet on a maelstrom

[haughty pond]

had one yesterday lol

[delicate estuary]

he legit ended up trolling halfway through

triggering 2 DHs on purpose

[south garnet]

Props to whoevers putting in work to complete that one, that's a lot of complaining

[haughty pond]

did I played with you? lol

[delicate estuary]

still got the W

but man some people

just pace with monstrosities modifier when you have 2 classes that do 0 boss damage

[swift ingot]

How’s this look? Going to swap shattering to gets hot once I get some plasteel. Anything I should change in the perk department?

[haughty pond]

then it wasn't with you lol

[tall torrent]

U want to check breakpoints first

Make sure u can 1 tap both gunners & flamers in the head

[fresh mango]

That’s a funny looking plas gun

[swift ingot]

I can 1 tap both both the scab gunner and flamer, but come up just a bit short in one shotting the dreg variants

[tall torrent]

Did u take 15% elite in skill tree

[swift ingot]

Yes

[tall torrent]

What’s the dmg u get for Dreg gunner headshot

[swift ingot]

1323

[serene sage]

gunner one shot needs help from the tree i think

i dont know if normal plasma shot can get to the breakpoint

[haughty pond]

played auric damnation 2 vets psyker and stealth zealot solo, first psyker complain that I got killed 2 times, first one was indeed my fault while I was trying to fend off the horde, as for the second one zealot brought whole wave and activated stealth on picking me up then I died once again unable to move, then psyker complained backed up by the zealot ( psyker was sticking to his ass all the time makes me think it was premade) about 5 minutes later they left another vet behind and while I went to pick him up they went on with their happy journey lmao

both of us died and they called us useless and trash

[tall torrent]

Tag them

[delicate estuary]

just ignore it ever happened and move on

[serene sage]

it's one of those weird things where you learnt the vibe of the team from the first 5 mins of the game

[delicate estuary]

stuff you cant affect yo ushould not care about

[tall torrent]

If you have 2 stacks of tag you should be able to 1 tap them (in combat, tag keystone maintains 2 stacks between killing tagged enemies)

[swift ingot]

Now I can one tap all gunners and flamers

[delicate estuary]

just adapt, overcome and all that stuff

[haughty pond]

not like I can do anything about it

[tall torrent]

[delicate estuary]

just be mindful when you have stealth abilities to be ready to reposition, giving up space is fine

[haughty pond]

I mean I wasn't a zealot

I was a vet

[delicate estuary]

I meant in the team

not you

[haughty pond]

if the mobs block you, you can't even evade

[delicate estuary]

and people that feel the need to be vocal about player mistakes are also not worth your time

if you are aware

its whatever

[serene sage]

I generally let the team push and play rear guard for the first 5 mins to see if they know what they are doing. If they seem a little clueless I play a lot more defensively and focus on myself instead of helping clueless teammates. If they seem competent, I am a lot more cooperative to help them since I know they can use my help to do even better. It's one of those counter-intuitive things you pick up along the way.

[delicate estuary]

yes thats what I meant, be aware that there is a stealth ability and be ready to reposition

[serene sage]

Let shitters be shit, help the competent ones (i.e yourself or those who have proven their abilities).

[haughty pond]

how do I reposition if he literally brought them onto me lol

it was throneside bridge

behind me two walls

in front whole wave with elite and specials

[delicate estuary]

thats the problem

[haughty pond]

no place to move

[serene sage]

why are you jumping down before clearing first?

[delicate estuary]

exactly

[swift ingot]

@tall torrent do I touch the perks at all?

[serene sage]

if the zealot jumps down then let him be, if he dies he dies

shitters will shit

[delicate estuary]

when you are backline make sure you always have an oh shit plan

[serene sage]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tall torrent]

I think u can swap flak to carapace
Shattering to Gets Hot

[fresh mango]

which combat blade would y’all recommend?

[tall torrent]

If u can hit all the breakpoints u desire

[haughty pond]

plan is time to die lol

[tall torrent]

Both are good

[delicate estuary]

the new one is solid imo plus it has a cool moveset for true combos 😎

[swift ingot]

Can one tap crushers with a charged crit shot without cara atm

[tall torrent]

Mk3 has better single target moveset
Mk6 has better horde clear (but still not great at it)

[swift ingot]

While tagged of course

[delicate estuary]

mk6 has fine moveset for single target if you are inclined to learn the patterns

if not then just stick to the old one

[serene sage]

I don't understand the knife
Like you look at the arsenal of weapons including Power Sword, Combat Axes, Shovels, DClaws, etc. and you walk to the end of the line, look at the tiny knife and be like

yeah, this one. this one is good.

[tall torrent]

But u generally don’t want to do charged shots

[delicate estuary]

its fun

[bitter turtle]

try playing a knife

its really fun

[serene sage]

no

i mean i did

it is fun

but no

[bitter turtle]

just annoying sincce you have to use a gun with good horde spraying

so you can only pair it w/ so many things

[tall torrent]

Knife shotgun vet is a very different playstyle

[fresh mango]

accidentally bought a shovel when going for the combat knife and

[delicate estuary]

ah yes the load slug reload experience

[tall torrent]

Yea you’re very limited in the range department

[bitter turtle]

yeah

shotguns are one, siunce they have good horde clear

iags are ok too

[serene sage]

slug shotty is truly bolter with extra steps

[tall torrent]

I use the fire shotgun with flechette to cover my horde clear

[serene sage]

like it's weird

[delicate estuary]

are we comparing knife to PS or what is your trouble with hordeclear

[bitter turtle]

i mean its just bad at it idk what to say

[serene sage]

though slug shotty would legit be a better bolter if the damage fall off isn't so bad

[bitter turtle]

you know

knife + hb1/2 is probably legit now

with the bayonet being so good

knife out just to kill crushers

and mobility

bayonet can clear hordes ez

lul

[delicate estuary]

??????? you do like 600 per shot on hellbores why would you do that

wait

[bitter turtle]

because killing them with knife is cooler 😎

[delicate estuary]

you run VoC

dont you

[bitter turtle]

ya that too

[delicate estuary]

yea

stinky

[ornate ivy]

Cause hehe funny gunstick knife go brr

[bitter turtle]

im pretty sure in melee range the ttk is faster with knife lul

[serene sage]

how does a knife pierce carapace armor?

[bitter turtle]

at least with voc

[tall torrent]

My knife + kantrael shotgun build rn

[serene sage]

🤔

[bitter turtle]

because the strikes are so

UNCANNY

it confuses the crusher and they just give up

probably

anyway precog knives can 2shot them

[ornate ivy]

What's your gun crit looking like 955?

[tall torrent]

Feel like HB1/2 pairs way better with combat axes than knife

[serene sage]

honestly I have a blessing and a curse that I am generally not tired playing the same build that I really like

[bitter turtle]

im not saying its a great pairing

but its workable

[tall torrent]

You do want brutal momentum on ur melee to bring the best out of the bayonet

[bitter turtle]

oh right

nvm

fuck

i forgot

you need BM

[serene sage]

bruh

[bitter turtle]

nevermind hb knife is worthless

[ornate ivy]

[tall torrent]

Knife is just

Shotgun
Braced auto?

[serene sage]

how bad is suppression sway on vraks 7?

[tall torrent]

Bad enough

[toxic hamlet]

What are the best guns for the vet?

[bitter turtle]

bad enough that id suggest runnign immunity

[serene sage]

okay that's my question

[tall torrent]

Basically anything that’s not recon lasgun or shredder autopistol is good rn

[serene sage]

I mean I have always ran it with v7, just wondering if I can skip it

[steady pawn]

what blessings are wanted on the kantrael shotgun?

[serene sage]

scatter and flechette

[tall torrent]

Best I’d say Mk2 helbore, Plasma, Mk2 revolver and Mk5 infantry autogun

I think HB2 is better than HB1 but only by a very small amount

[toxic hamlet]

I'm using the bolter

[delicate estuary]

you can run recon lasguns with right keystone if you really want, it works OK but not as great as others

[ornate ivy]

Keep in mind, all weapons are USEABLE just others are easier to win with

[toxic hamlet]

The bolter carrying me

[bitter turtle]

why right keystone

wouldnt recon want left the most

[serene sage]

probably in the A+ tier with S tier being Plasma, Revolver, Columnus
it's better than a lot of guns but not as OP as the top ones.

[steady pawn]

have on with tier 3 deathspitter and tier 4 respite, which would i get rid of?

[bitter turtle]

right keystone only works for 1 boolet

[delicate estuary]

I just use recon 7a with exe stance and right keystone and we chilling. Plenty of DPS every swipe I do in a horde

[serene sage]

respite is cool, i would suggest getting rid of deathspitter for scatter

[ornate ivy]

Brilliant

[steady pawn]

maniac and flak ok?

[serene sage]

perfect actually

[tall torrent]

Yes

[steady pawn]

thanks

[bitter turtle]

i just dont see how right keystone actually helps recon

it helps the melee yes

but that's just saying your melee is good then

[delicate estuary]

you see you gain ranged AS

which benefits

[tall torrent]

That uh

Ummmmm

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Idk that’s a bit too niche imo

[bitter turtle]

i dont think that is very significant of a benefit but honestly, you're prob better off buffing your melee than the recon anyway

[proven kayak]

Is this a god roll ?

[ornate ivy]

This is true. Gets the VId shooting like the mkIi

[bitter turtle]

since its STINKY

[delicate estuary]

Like I said it works OK, but it works

[fresh mango]

well shit

can i save this?

[serene sage]

probably still one shot crushers

[tall torrent]

If u get full 10 melee stacks that’s +20% firerate for 5s

Wouldn’t that work better with higher firerate guns

[delicate estuary]

you know how easy that is with the new knife and rending ?, its literally 3 swipes in a horde

[serene sage]

but if you are midhorde don't you want to keep meleeing?

[ornate ivy]

Defenses is just how easy to block / dodge cost right? So it should still be good

[serene sage]

why would you swap to ranged just to shoot at the horde that you are already in melee range for?

[delicate estuary]

can always take a step back, pop exe stance and magdump whatever special or ranged elite enemy exists

[fresh mango]

also anything I should change with this?

[delicate estuary]

its a literal 2 second interaction

[fresh mango]

probably the crit chance yeah?

[bitter turtle]

idk i can see like what you're saying its just not a very convincing argumen for recon itself lul

its hardly benefitting much from that passive imo

i tried running right with v7 even and it feels meh, and it would benefit a lot more from the fire rate

[delicate estuary]

I never said its great and I rarely run it when I just want to use something full auto on the lasgun category but it works OK

[serene sage]

I mean sure but why is it recon specific then?

[bitter turtle]

ya ok fair

[ornate ivy]

Add rev up iv and you'll be running it down in no time!

[delicate estuary]

I use something similar with the colomnus too

[serene sage]

I thought I escaped LoL server but here we are

[delicate estuary]

just piss bullets every 5 seconds or so

[gaunt stratus]

what are the best CIAG5 blessings for veteran?

[serene sage]

dum dum and whatever tbh

ciag5 don't really need anything beyond dum dum I think

[delicate estuary]

you can do dum dum and the power one

[gaunt stratus]

power one?

[bitter turtle]

dumdum+ Deathspitter/firefrenzy for only dmg

you can try the stripped down or w/e ones too

they're ok for utility

[delicate estuary]

@gaunt stratus this

[ornate ivy]

Heresy! Mods, turn this guy into a servitor

[bitter turtle]

just have dumdum

[gaunt stratus]

i got lvl 4 dumdum ok

[frank ether]

hey vet chat how would u go about fixing this

[serene sage]

but but you are the one who mentioned "run it down"

[gaunt stratus]

ty

[delicate estuary]

I wouldnt its perfect

[ornate ivy]

Theres like 7 run abilities in the game

[frank ether]

bloodletter denies bloodthirsty proc lmao

[ornate ivy]

How?

[serene sage]

need block efficiency and level 4 stamina

[frank ether]

lmao

its so joever isnt it

[serene sage]

it's a little 🧱 yeah

[delicate estuary]

bloodthirsty and stamina to wrath(or whatever relevant blessing exists not sure since I never use chainswords), flak

and shoot the maniacs

[serene sage]

i guess infested is fine if you like meleeing poxbusters instead of pushing them

[frank ether]

what if I did bloodthirsty/rampage for blessings

get exploit weakness procs

hmm

wrath

that was the uh

crit blessing?

[ornate ivy]

Remember guys, this fox guy plays league. 🤢

[tall torrent]

That is a sad 380

[lusty jewel]

Which chainsword is best atm for vet

[serene sage]

"run it down" is a League term
you must have seen it somewhere if you don't play it

kinda sus ngl

[delicate estuary]

not wrath something else @frank ether that is the cleave blessing

I guess rampage then

[frank ether]

oh

[tall torrent]

Just harvest bloodthirsty honestly

[frank ether]

I have savage sweep for cleave wouldnt that to

[tall torrent]

It’s a sad 380

[frank ether]

hmm yea

it makes me sad

[delicate estuary]

I have no idea how good bloodthirsty is

it just sounds bad

you have to listen to that sound everytime you want to crit

spare me

[tall torrent]

It’s not good but it’s a t4 blessing

[serene sage]

I haven't seen a 380 that is not semi 🧱

[tall torrent]

So might as well harvest

[serene sage]

like, actually

[ornate ivy]

League must be leaking into other games then lol. It's not like it's one of the most popular games like. Ever

[serene sage]

every 380s I have are just bad

[serene sage]

like I said, sus

[delicate estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179299801439936532/1183519337609445477/image.png?ex=6591dbc6&is=657f66c6&hm=d5db68d9c5d0fe4f8935b9aaedf007b7f3312dcd69db979de0db785d8d3b3852&

[fresh mango]

i just realized i wasted a bunch of plasteel on a 1% pen chainaxe

[delicate estuary]

😎

[fresh mango]

what am i doing with my life

[tall torrent]

This thing was mercy killer 4 + lacerate 4, with 8% specialist and 20% unarmored

[serene sage]

what you shooting with that poxwalker perk bro

[lusty jewel]

I am jealous

[umbral scaffold]

Congrats girl

[serene sage]

okay first one I guess

[delicate estuary]

homie missed the 2 perfect T4 blessings

[serene sage]

oh those are unchanged

[delicate estuary]

yes

[serene sage]

joke on me

sick

actually I guess I have a perfect rumbler

[ornate ivy]

Not too bad imo

[serene sage]

for ogryn 380 with perfect everything

but, it's a rumbler

so

[tall torrent]

Rumbler is good tho

[serene sage]

yeah but kickback though?

[ornate ivy]

Imma bout to post my hellbore

[serene sage]

here it is

[ornate ivy]

Insane

[lusty jewel]

This is the best I got for my Helbore

[oblique horizon]

Guys, just saw this on redddit, is this true they added this sick helmet to gamefiles?

[gaunt stratus]

whats the best devil claw version for vet

[fresh mango]

No

[frank ether]

brgh

[serene sage]

apparently so

[ornate ivy]

Last time i checked. This gun is as big as the vet

[fresh mango]

its fake sadly

[frank ether]

rampage tier 2 lmao

[serene sage]

is it?

[fresh mango]

[oblique horizon]

Fuck it

Ill check

[serene sage]

eh

[fresh mango]

its real i just wanted to spread misinformation

should be coming soon(tm)

[junior needle]

The fire rate is technically a dps boost, but it also doesn't do anything for the poor ammo efficiency. There's much better guns you could use and the pewpew mod can turn them into visual lasguns at least. The crit on next shot is a wasted on it.

The recons are doing very poorly both dps and ammo efficiency wise, so even a 20% increase isn't likely to put them up to par, and especially if it doesn't somehow boost ammo efficiency. I'm going to post these again to showcase what I mean.

[oblique horizon]

YOU KARK

[frank ether]

what was the damage of rampage 4 again?

[delicate estuary]

yes yes you have siad many times, problem is, I dont care

[ornate ivy]

That makes the las look awful

[fresh mango]

36%

[bitter turtle]

it doesnt just look awful

it is

[delicate estuary]

I am not going to use a full auto mod to make something htat is not intended to work that way

[bitter turtle]

awful

[forest blaze]

If I see a recon lasgun user in my lobby when im running plasma… I’ll make 100% sure you don’t get any ammo.

[ornate ivy]

😦

[frank ether]

oh niec so I'm leaving %8 damage on the table

[delicate estuary]

better catch me cause I am knifing my way to the end

[forest blaze]

The Ammo Kingpin denies your request

[fresh mango]

my pride and joy

[forest blaze]

Lmfao

[tall torrent]

Aren’t there 2 different variants of scion helmet tho

[frank ether]

So I either fix infested or drop %8 cause tier 2 rampage lul

[fresh mango]

right is cadia theme

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-race-gif-20267874

[frank ether]

what would you do

[tall torrent]

A black one and a green one

[junior needle]

Oh whoops

[fresh mango]

left is i think for enforcer theme?

[junior needle]

The recons are quite awful currently, that would be why. They've been complained about for being weak, including by me, for the vast majority of the games lifespan.

[lucid hinge]

yeah diff orders of scions

[delicate estuary]

yes they are weak, yes they need a buff but I refuse to use full auto mod to make the MG4 Infantry las into a budget recon gun

[fresh mango]

you know maybe instead of reselling the exact same armors to us but different colors, they let us color the armors we buy

[forest blaze]

The literal only thing I care about is how shitty their ammo econ is. If you’re not gonna do any damage, at least stay away from the ammo

[tall torrent]

MG4 doesn’t even shoot that fast

[fresh mango]

DoW1 armor color style

[ornate ivy]

This

[delicate estuary]

he doesnt know

[tall torrent]

The highest you can go on it is like 360rpm for veteran (default 300rpm)

Unless I’m missing something here

[junior needle]

Just spreading awareness so people, especially new players, don't dump their resources only to be severely disappointed. But you can just use the pewpew mod, it replaces the shot visuals and sounds with lasers selectively on guns you choose.

[forest blaze]

Sounds to me like we need a faster rpm gun

[delicate estuary]

with full auto mod you can essentially have a recon gun that doesnt shoot as fast as the recon gun but its like way more ammo efficient without being restricted by a physical barrier called how many times you can click yourself

[fresh mango]

Volleygun

[delicate estuary]

I shall not

[forest blaze]

Shut up I’m in

[ornate ivy]

my baby lucy

[tall torrent]

I know there’s a full auto mod

I’m saying the firerate isn’t even high enough to need a full auto mod

[serene sage]

We need a slower stronger gun too
I want to recoil back flip after every shots

[delicate estuary]

it does need it

I refuse to click that many times

[forest blaze]

Plasma culver when

[south garnet]

1000%. I don't care if someone burns through ammo like candles during early modern monarchies, or even whether they suck, as long as they don't scoop ammo from people who are actually putting in work

[tall torrent]

300rpm is really not that fast lol

[forest blaze]

Give me a full automatic plasma gun and every ammo drop

[ornate ivy]

look dog, i have no ammo, im going to press e on it

[serene sage]

Boltgun can stay near ammo neutral if you land your shots

Boltgun stays winning

[delicate estuary]

I am off the opinion that there should have been full auto and semi auto switches for all weapons that can support it. Having to use full auto mods just to say our mice and fingers should not be something that is required

[trim steppe]

My babies

[south garnet]

Yea I have had zero issues maintaining 80+ rounds on bolter

[lucid hinge]

God I hope the scion chest piece will comeout with the helmet

[forest blaze]

I still need surgical on bolter and I need their weird recoil animation snap fixed

[serene sage]

just wear the helmet with the prison garb

[south garnet]

occasionally I dip to low 80's when I do an ammo dump for the funny may may

[ornate ivy]

you forgor the 2nd half of your blessing boko

[serene sage]

bolter does a bit bad against crushers though which is a little sadge

[forest blaze]

Perfect for you to run off and die alone

[south garnet]

Mine does OK with brittle, but I still wish I had surgical instead

[forest blaze]

Fact: knife players get worse the better their knife roll is

[serene sage]

i don't have shattering

[south garnet]

At the very least I have pinning

[delicate estuary]

exe stance compensates with left keystone

[lucid hinge]

I mean thats what infinite krak nades are for anyway

[serene sage]

shattering pinning have no problem with carapace

but surgical version does

[south garnet]

I've been debating running deadshot with it to make up some of the slack, but ehhhh

[serene sage]

exac stance isn't that good on bolter imo

i know it helps with draw time

[trim steppe]

I also never did my second roll on this, I rolled it like 8 months ago

[delicate estuary]

💀

[junior needle]

But you can have a budget hellgun that actually does damage

[junior needle]

Lacerate
Mercy killer

[delicate estuary]

been running deadshot exe stance left keystone with bolter and its quite chill. Its almost ASMR like when you can just body shot everything that isnt an ogryn type enemy

[tall torrent]

That’s Columnus mk2?

[pearl sapphire]

How’s this? Don’t run the recon lasguns at all but figured I’d give it a shot

[ornate ivy]

i know i could have used the rending perk instead but hehe funny bleed

[junior needle]

Graia brauto

[serene sage]

you can hit all the breakpoints you want with normal VoC build
well, except you have slightly worse time with Carapace, mostly in the ammo part, but ttk isn't that bad

[tall torrent]

Hmmmmmm maybe need to try it

[delicate estuary]

yea but that menas you are using VoC

and that is stinky

[trim steppe]

good roll, terrible gun

[serene sage]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[delicate estuary]

you need t4 dum dum and t4 infernus

maniac and flak

[tiny summit]

Yea I'd save it for if they ever get buffed

[pearl sapphire]

Gotcha thanks

[south garnet]

Yea I was having a pretty easy time with exe stance, nice that the ult lets you whip it out for pinch hits. Currently running shout to save myself ~2 points though because I'm also running nades and +tough on kill

[delicate estuary]

deadshot is kinda funny with colomnus I have to admit

I tested it once

[trim steppe]

I'm saving this for if its ever a good gun again

[pearl sapphire]

I mean, it’s probably better than my MG Ia with my inaccurate ass firing it

[delicate estuary]

stamina go yeet

[junior needle]

Lacerate is sadly a trap option for a weapon that barely does damage if it's not headshotting or critting. Plus having lacerate and mercy killer means that you aren't getting value from one of your blessings at any given time.

Should get reworked

[tiny summit]

Your aim can get better. I believe in you

[ornate ivy]

i get to choose when i use my blessings! its a feature ! /s

[delicate estuary]

bleed is fine for hordes as long as you are keeping it at head level and do the sweep attacks

[serene sage]

just don't miss 4head

[delicate estuary]

its called nuance and its fun

[pearl sapphire]

All I want is a automatic (or even better select fire) standard issue style lasgun

[delicate estuary]

although rending is just more optimal I have to agree there

[tall torrent]

Knife has so many good blessing options tho it’s prob the most diverse build melee in the game

[serene sage]

the mg4 is basically that with mod?

and you can select fire too

[tiny summit]

MG4 or Acc Laspistol is the closest to being automatic and being better weapons

[pearl sapphire]

Mods? Ew, I’m an xbox poor, thank you very much

[tall torrent]

MG4 is better because the gun looks cooler

[serene sage]

Back 4 Blood has native support for Full Auto on all weapons

[tiny summit]

Couldn't autofire mod count as being against their stance on modding?

[delicate estuary]

it doesnt affect other players or their cosmetic shop

[serene sage]

Back 4 Blood also unlocks all comestics by playing
B4B > Dark Tide confirmed

[delicate estuary]

yo ucould argue player performance but then again they have no scoreboard

to prove that

and even then how do you prove it

[tiny summit]

It is gameplay though. Doubt they care

[delicate estuary]

same can be achieved with a macro

[serene sage]

who are we talking about

[delicate estuary]

full auto mod

@junior needle do you mind showing how fast the MG4 goes with the full auto mod

[junior needle]

Macros are explicitly allowed, and full auto does nothing you can't do by manually clicking or using a macro.

[serene sage]

i mean it does make the game easier in the sense that nearly all QoL mods make the game slightly easier

you can draw the line yourself

[delicate estuary]

^^

[serene sage]

of where cheating starts

[junior needle]

You asked right after I closed darktide but yes I can. I believe it's 5 times a second on paper.

[delicate estuary]

based

[serene sage]

based on what?

[delicate estuary]

deez nutz 💀

[lucid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/doug-maclean-nhl-hockey-stats-statistics-gif-13408391465163304912

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s 300rpm

Which really is not that fast

[serene sage]

yeah that's like pew pew pew pew pew

[tall torrent]

There’re games that have semi auto firerate set to 500+

[serene sage]

but like

every second

[terse idol]

I will probably say the mod to tell you where the next hacking location is is waack

[tall torrent]

Yea ik

The semi auto pistols in cod are like 400~500rpm

[delicate estuary]

low iq individuals

[serene sage]

did you though?

[terse idol]

[south garnet]

what the hell

[tall torrent]

DRG driller’s subata pistol is like 480rpm I think?

[idle swallow]

getting flashbacks to payday 2 and the silent assassin mod in terms of modding/cheating threshold

[tall torrent]

300 really isn’t that fast

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/not-quite-my-tempo-jk-simmons-fletcher-whiplash-thats-not-my-tempo-gif-18304680

[delicate estuary]

its quite fast considering how much more efficient it is compared ot the recons

[terse idol]

At some point though payday 2 kinda turned ridiculous

[junior needle]

It's very fast compared to other semi autos in the game. Not fast compared to automatics though.

[terse idol]

Lemme buy my purple weapon

[delicate estuary]

given the fact it was game designed to be a semi auto

[terse idol]

Which has better stats

[tall torrent]

I guess? But compared to most other games that have semi auto weapons, it’s not fast by any means

[terse idol]

From the community marketplace

[delicate estuary]

well yes compared to the p90 it doenst compare

[serene sage]

so we have automatic, semiautomatic, what is a not automatic at all weapon?

[delicate estuary]

but thats not what I am saying

[junior needle]

Dps is considerably better on most targets even on just bodyshot, although it suffers against flak like all infantry lasguns.

[tall torrent]

I’ve not compared it to a single full-auto weapon yet

[tall torrent]

Oh ik, I hate that pistol lol

[delicate estuary]

the sniper weapon

homie needs to reload

after every shot

[south garnet]

Honestly even if an individual mod isn't maybe outright hard cheating like healthbars (a 'soft' cheat), multiple 'soft' cheats add up to a very different gameplay experience that cuts down drastically on fog of war and mental overhead as far as target priority and threat analysis

[delicate estuary]

tbh honest customizable UI should be a game feature on its own

[south garnet]

Scoreboard is just postgame analysis so I don't care, hud is also fine

[serene sage]

I want to play with no HUD tonight

[lucid hinge]

bros gonna pull back the bolt on his laser weapon

[terse idol]

The weapon customization mod should be in the game

[serene sage]

Might grief a little

[delicate estuary]

I personally only activate healthbars when I want to check how the build is performing in a game

[terse idol]

Like come on fs

You're holding out on us

[serene sage]

But we want that full immersion

But like actually though

[delicate estuary]

psychanium is nice and all but it doesnt replicate actual games

[serene sage]

Imma try no HUD auric

For fun

[misty quest]

Tactical

[south garnet]

Yea immersive play is good shit and based for handsome brilliant geniuses and perfect organisms

[serene sage]

Count your ammo

Count your nades

Count your health

[misty quest]

Perform math every time you use your lasgun

[delicate estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/explain-plan-theory-crazy-insane-gif-22079506

@serene sage

trying to explain no hud

be like

[south garnet]

The virgin modder with his ten thousand indicators clogging his ugly gui overlaid over all graphics set to absolute minimum

[serene sage]

Bolter has 100 reserve rounds, 15 per mag, that's nearly 8 mags including the one you start with

[delicate estuary]

graphics to minimum when I can install a mod that deletes all textures

fucking normie

[serene sage]

If you start counting down you can probably get a pretty accurate tracking

[misty quest]

Calculate your current psyker peril on how loudly the Voices

[delicate estuary]

all I want is to get the last of the blessings

and just play game

sick and tired of farming plsateel

[south garnet]

Colors of the warp tendrils around the screen

Develop a gut feel for them

[delicate estuary]

just explode

lol

[south garnet]

they already do that anyway

[delicate estuary]

run the infamous martyrdom psyker build

you get 4 headpops per medicae charge

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/farmer-robert-downey-junior-robert-downey-tropic-thunder-tropic-gif-6153536

[idle swallow]

blowing myself up to own the heretics

[junior needle]

Here you go

Consistently clicking 5x a second for extended periods is quite taxing, even if it's not AS HIGH as other games semi autos

[terse idol]

That's pretty good

[lucid hinge]

jesus

[junior needle]

That's full auto mod btw

I aint clickin that shit

[delicate estuary]

much appreciated

[pearl sapphire]

Ok, so using the recon lasgun MKVIIa and so far it’s my new favorite weapon

[ornate ivy]

you cant run mods on dedicated servers tho

[south garnet]

they're clientside

[ornate ivy]

or can you 🤔

[south garnet]

yes

[delicate estuary]

you can

there is even a server side mod that allows you to change your height

[ornate ivy]

rawdogging the base game all charachters maxed. i feel cheated

[terse idol]

I'm sorry but

I mean you can enjoy it

[junior needle]

It looks/feels much better than it performs sadly. Recons are all in a very poor spot.

[terse idol]

recons not doing so hot
But! I'm glad you're enjoying it

[delicate estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

[pearl sapphire]

I’m just doing orthus offensive and it really helps when I’m across the room from Rodin and can’t get close with my chainsword

[ornate ivy]

I enjoy recon lasgun despite its lower efficacy

[terse idol]

[pearl sapphire]

What’s the max you can get on a health curio

[hallow moat]

Quick reminder the emperor doesn’t protect you

[pearl sapphire]

20%?

[terse idol]

21

[hallow moat]

Grandfather nurgle does

[ornate ivy]

you dont have an ogryn or a psyker just clear a path for you? or use your command voice to do it yourself?

[south garnet]

FS when recon users, laying beaten and bloodied on the shag carpeting of their mom's unfinished basement, beg them to buff the recon for the 100th time:

[graceful glen]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-suicide-death-shoot-myself-kill-myself-gif-4986907

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[pearl sapphire]

I use VoC most of the time while I’m trying to cover some of my less chromosome fortunate friends out

[ornate ivy]

I see what you did there

[junior needle]

Just be mindful of taking it in high difficulty content, they all drastically underperform compared to alternatives.

[red bramble]

Hi, i have a veteran build on which i have Shock Trooper enabled and a lasgun equiped, but upon testing in the meatgrinder, i find that it does sometimes consume ammo when i get a crit hit. At least.. i did assume a critical hit is indicated with a yellow crosshair. what am i missing?

[coral flume]

holy shit

[lucid hinge]

oh thats what I was doing

I think found the regiments that those helmets were from

[serene sage]

You missed nothing. Shock trooper has an internal CD now, so no more infinite ammo.

[junior needle]

If you're using a recon lasgun, shock trooper only applies to the first crit in a crit string.

This shouldn't apply to any other lasgun

[delicate estuary]

oh yea also why right keystone

I forgot

you can force crits

[junior needle]

You can force

A single crit

Then it stops

[tall torrent]

Only 1 crit chain

[delicate estuary]

its good enough

[junior needle]

Its

Really not

[tall torrent]

It’s barely any difference lol

Headhunter would enable crits much more reliably

[junior needle]

Their crit strings are only 2 long now across the board

You can't even stack infernus with a single string

[delicate estuary]

you are not swapping enough

[junior needle]

You need like 3 on every model

[terse idol]

It implies you can consistently swap kill 10 enemies then swap

Before

[ornate ivy]

has this always been the case?

[terse idol]

Infernus would struggle

[junior needle]

Shock trooper doing that or recons being big shit?

[ornate ivy]

shock doing that, im clear on the recons 😢

[junior needle]

It was after the talent patch in patch 14, before that it didn't do this.

[ornate ivy]

L

[delicate estuary]

no idea why they fucked the weapon so much

making us use full auto mod

with the MG4

to enjoy a full auto weapon

[ornate ivy]

i used to run infernus on the critsyker

[red bramble]

ah ok, weird that the description does not reflect that it is only the first. So better make that one crit count and use a helborne

[tidal wedge]

can anyone explain to me why the community is sleeping on the new revolver?

almost impossible to run out of ammo and absolutely SLAPS

[dense pebble]

hey whats best perks for plasma?

[terse idol]

Folks are used to the pinpoint nature of regular revolver and have had them for a while
But the new is good yeah

Cruc roulette, Handcannon, imo

[lucid hinge]

maniac and unyielding

[terse idol]

Well

Depends if you meet the break point for dredge gunners

If not you need maniac + unarmoured

[dense pebble]

tyty

i c ic

interesting

[tidal wedge]

running a similar build. got unfathomably unlucky on perks/blessings grade tho

[terse idol]

You need to be able to one tap headshot dredge gunners and scab gunners on 1 left click headshot

[lucid hinge]

yeah but thats IF you dont plasma handles them pretty good already

[terse idol]

Yeah but

The breakpoint is very close

I've seen about 40-100 damage off

[lucid hinge]

you can also subsidies that with exe stance or marking keystone anyway, plus an extra shot isnt that bad

since you can spam the non charge shots anyway

[terse idol]

Extra shot makes it very clunky

And you start hitting overkill damage

That's my strong stance on it

[lucid hinge]

OK damage doesnt matter imo

[terse idol]

You dont want to use an ult to take them down or focus target ideally you save them for more important targets

It does for a damage dealing weapon, imo

It just means you used an extra shot which then means you use extra ammo

[delicate estuary]

extra ammo is fine

not like there is an ammo shortage currently

[lucid hinge]

dreg gunners spawn in packs 90% of the time you should be popping exe stance to kill them all faster than they can see you. which plasma in exe stance can do

[delicate estuary]

yea but see people prefer VoC over exe stance

I like exe stance

[junior needle]

You're better off using a helbore for a variety of reasons, you can see a good example here if you haven't already: #veteran-class message

[delicate estuary]

but it is what it is

[lucid hinge]

thats true thats what I use on plasma

and you should still be grabbing maniac and unyielding

[delicate estuary]

I run exe stance/inflitrate just on the principle of how stupid VoC is

[terse idol]

Well I find you get more utility with VOC with pgun

[terse idol]

I'm still gonna advocate for maniac and unarmoured

[lucid hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-fly-aaa-cat-fly-off-gif-26782971

[red bramble]

yeah i just watched that.. i staying away from the recons for now, thnx for the tip

[delicate estuary]

if you have money and plasteel to throw get yourself a recon

[dense pebble]

bruh

[terse idol]

I mean eventually

It will be good

[brisk sapphire]

You missed out on the recon being good for a few weeks

[terse idol]

That's what I'm saying

If you have

[delicate estuary]

it was broken

not just good

[terse idol]

All the passive damage perks

[delicate estuary]

colomnus is good

but not broken

[terse idol]

And an 80dmg and 80 stopping power

[junior needle]

Columnus is broken

[terse idol]

You'll still won't meet the breakpoint

That's how close it is

And you don't want to waste another shot

Well besides long shooter

Long shooter will put you over the edge

[tall torrent]

Tag them

With middle keystone

[junior needle]

Let's not pretend having a little shy of 2000 bodyshot dps gray and talentless is ok

[terse idol]

Nope

I am steadfast

[dense pebble]

i mean that would work

[junior needle]

On a FINESSE weapon

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/giygas-cat-melon-cat-psychotic-gif-25770926

[dense pebble]

but i like weapon specialist 😐

[terse idol]

You should be able to do it without focus target

Or weapon spec

[dense pebble]

yeah thats with 0 weapons specialist stacks

[junior needle]

Even more possible on headshots

[dense pebble]

with any it would kill

[terse idol]

With even 1 you'll probably make it

But it's smooth

If you can make it without any keystone assistance

Imo

Like, this is just my opinion

https://tenor.com/view/kiera-katsura-beestation-ss13-kiera-katsura-gif-25417004

[lucid hinge]

everyday I beg for a bolter buff

[dense pebble]

yeah so with longshot maxed it kills

otherwise it has like 120 ish hp left

[terse idol]

If the pgun one shots dredge gunners now you've freed up focus target for crushers, bulwarks a boss

[delicate estuary]

bolter is fine currently just requires you to run exe stance

[junior needle]

Patch 13 6d was a great weapon, but it wasn't even the best lasgun, and pulled mediocre dps compared to current standards but had great ammo efficiency if you had headshot uptime.

[terse idol]

If you dont, I mean some folks have said to spam ping focus target, which sure

[delicate estuary]

-> exit mission

[lucid hinge]

yeah thats the problem its only really good on vet with exe stance and has shit ammo

[terse idol]

But imo, you want your gameplay to be not bogged down by added activities

[delicate estuary]

you are ammo neutral minus like maulers and ogryn type enemies

and even maulers with exe stance I believe you just yeet