veteran-class

[midnight mortar]

As far as I remember, it wasn't touched by the balance passes.

The Ia and IV were just brought up to its level.

[atomic zephyr]

maybe it was enemy health being bumped up

yeah I’ve been enjoying the 1a a lot

or my aim’s gotten worse lol

[reef cedar]

I have two high stat plasma guns; which one would y'all go with? Thanks!

[nova raven]

right one, change get's hot to rank 4 and +8% ranged dmg to maniacs

[raw steppe]

Right one but i would swap out both perks

And not touch the blessings at all

[nova raven]

nah bro

[raw steppe]

Maniac/unyielding/cara/elites which combination of that you prefer

[nova raven]

don't brick it

[still pollen]

If u retag the same target using focus target, do u add stacks or just override the old stacks?

[raw steppe]

Flak is useless

[nova raven]

flak is the bomb

[raw steppe]

Because plasma already hits oneshot breakpoints

On all flak heads

[nova raven]

if you charge then ye

only left clicking it's good

[raw steppe]

Uh no lol

[merry glade]

smoke grenade would nae be so bad if it didn take 5 years to throw it

[raw steppe]

You should never charge plasma

[forest scaffold]

lets you oneshot maulers on a body shot with a fully charged shot which is neato

[raw steppe]

And left click hits all flak BPs

[nova raven]

left click only, with flak dmg

[raw steppe]

Yeah but you should never charge plasma lmao

[raw steppe]

Flak gunner and flak shotgunner both get oneshot with or without flak

[nova raven]

yea they do indeed

ragers don't

but whatever, crit is always better but you do you

that's why I would change the blessing

[wanton dawn]

I wont comment i use unyielding+ lock carapace

[chilly jewel]

And here I am running glory hunter to heal everyones toughness with born leader 🥲

[forest scaffold]

If I get to oneshot 9 maulers

I'll take the opportunity

also

this is why plasma gun is fundamentally broken

remove literally all of the finesse modifiers on light attacks

so its just ~400-500 damage across the board

force players to interact with the charge mechanic

give it another magazine in reserve

[wanton dawn]

Well, gloryhunter might be fine but born leader is still my nemesis

I think it is trash

[serene sage]

Same tbh

Because teammates also only heal when they are not at full

And they are full quite ofte

So the low value is even lower

[midnight mortar]

I concur.

[wanton dawn]

To refill team thoughness, best option is voc as active and target down as passive

Also charismatic to improve the regen range. Though mostly QoL

[serene sage]

Back then the tree is too long to have extra points

Now the tree is too condensed you want everything good

[woeful ibex]

thanks Brunt

[normal pawn]

Oofems

https://tenor.com/view/absolutely-disgraceful-tts-gif-22252310

[sudden dome]

I just realized i dont have to aim for heads, I just just go for chests and wave up to the heads every half second and I dont ahve to worry about missing while also hitting weakpoints half the time. My dps went from 1400s trying to go for just head shots to 2k on ragers because thats all the HP it has

it dies in less than a second

[rigid pilot]

The CIAG?

[jade notch]

Columnus Infantry Autogun, I assume. The one that can ADS.

[woeful ibex]

Ragers and Mauler's Chest Armor counts as Flak Armor

you can kill them fast if you aim at the chest and not headshots due to carapace armor

[sudden dome]

yea, before it couldnt match the graia because graia doesnt need headshots but now that I dont have to aim head its dps is like 50% more

ragers dont have carapace heads

[woeful ibex]

always get the perk 25% Damage to flak because scabs are easier to deal with than dregs

[sudden dome]

which is why I get flak anyway because scab ragers are pain

always flak

I dont care what weapon

unless you 1 shot 25% flak on everything

for melee it also is for the 2 toughness chaff

[normal pawn]

Flak/maniac iirc?

[sudden dome]

I take maniac because I hate ragers

[woeful ibex]

yeah

Dreg Ragers = Maniac as armor

Scab Ragers = Flak Armor

Headshots are easer to do vs Dregs

Scab Ragers go for the chest

[sudden dome]

rolled this on the cheap, like 40k cash 1.5k plasteel its good enough for now because its just really good

[calm prairie]

or saw their heads off with a chainsword

[sudden dome]

but thats what Im saying if you flick to the head occasionally instead of aiming for it all the time you get alot more damage

[calm prairie]

(mileage will vary)

[sudden dome]

literally just wave up and down

Im getting 2k dps on that ciag against both from the tables

[normal pawn]

... Deathspitter stack or multiple rundown buffs?

[sudden dome]

it stacks

or it should

[scarlet smelt]

If I theoretically was to use this, what perk would I replace weak spot damage with

[sudden dome]

ye ait does

[woeful ibex]

it stacks

along with talent tree passives

[sudden dome]

please no, every time I see someone with those its always an infinite ammo build but it does no damage, infernus is garbage on everything too. But if you must flak

[scarlet smelt]

funny fallout 4 gatling laser but with no damage and mag size

[sudden dome]

laspistol is 10x better

[scarlet smelt]

I agree

This was a pet project

I just wanted to have Zealot speed on a veteran lol

[sudden dome]

wait that makes you sprint faster?

[normal pawn]

Knoife revolver

[sudden dome]

that might actually be worth it

[scarlet smelt]

oh yeah, if you compare the sprint speed bonus it gives you compared to the other recon las gun mobility stats

there's a .4 difference

[gusty bison]

Crit chance

[sudden dome]

Ill take a chaff weapon, which is all it is, for super fast speed

[scarlet smelt]

With the right side tree I actually run faster than some zealots without infiltrate on

[normal pawn]

just grab the right side perk on the first level of the left -side keystone tail

[gusty bison]

Its got a pretty accurate laser beam, so with headshots its elite dps is fine

Not great. Not terrible

Just like... 1.8k at 20m

Which is serviceable

[sudden dome]

all I know is every time someone uses it they have no elite kills and 60% of the damage everyone else does

and you see it flashlight mutants and do nothing

[scarlet smelt]

Yeah, that's why I use the mattock

[gusty bison]

It has no recoil so its actually quite possible to chain headshots

[scarlet smelt]

That shovel is my actual serious weapon

The recon lasgun is for speed memes

[gusty bison]

Ngl i dont even bother shooting muties these days

[normal pawn]

I use autos. Cbr and CIA works well for muties.

[gusty bison]

Like u just one shot them with melee

[scarlet smelt]

If you're already shooting and the mutant's just out there and your weapon can kill it

Yeah may as well

[sudden dome]

usually when I shoot the mutant its because someones been grabbed and I cant walk in time

saving their hp is worth some ammo

but recon just flashlights it for 5+ seconds

[gusty bison]

Recon needs headshots

Thats why

Like its the same thing with a vraks 7

U aint killing a mutie in 5s with a v7 if u cant hit the head

But thats a completely disingenuous standard to hold that gun to

[sudden dome]

I usually test guns with 30% headshots because thats a realiztic standard for moving targets 10-20 meters away

[radiant plank]

Power sword charged push attack?

[gusty bison]

Depends on the gun

[wanton dawn]

While plasma headshot are like, 25% dmg boost

[scarlet smelt]

oh

speaking of laspistol

[gusty bison]

Vraks 7 should be hitting 60% or ur wasting ur time.

Recon can deffo hit 50+%

[scarlet smelt]

old laspistol or new heavy

[gusty bison]

IAGs are much lower cos their recoil is high

[sudden dome]

new one rocks

[gusty bison]

But also like MG1a and Helbore should be getting more than 30%

[sudden dome]

I hear you can set it up to one shot all chaff

[scarlet smelt]

200 base damage or something

[wanton dawn]

I cant play a weapon that need consistent hs to function

Too much work

[gusty bison]

Laspistols can 1 shot everything short of a rager

[sudden dome]

with all the time you have to aim on helbore you should be betting high amounts of head shots

[gusty bison]

Helbore 2 shoots pretty fast

Tbh

[sudden dome]

but thats anothe reason why its bad, it takes so long to charge its doesnt matter if it 2 shots crushers

[gusty bison]

• Helbore
• Bad

Lol what

[sudden dome]

in exchange for no damage while still needing headshots

[gusty bison]

Lol what

[sudden dome]

it does like 600

[gusty bison]

...

[wanton dawn]

Hellbore is a better melee than ranged

[gusty bison]

Try 1.4k

[midnight mortar]

That is patently false.

[sudden dome]

helbore 2? thats better than the 1 I was using

[midnight mortar]

Do you have a screenshot of this in the psykhanium?

[gusty bison]

Helbore 2 one taps anything short of a rager

[scarlet smelt]

dude what the fuck did they do with the helbore bayonets

[midnight mortar]

And a picture of the weapon's stat bars? Because that sounds fucked.

[gusty bison]

Yes it needs a headshot

[scarlet smelt]

they're actually cracked

[midnight mortar]

Yes. They received a finesse buff a couple patches ago.

[sudden dome]

Im literally getting 1.7k out of the mk3

[gusty bison]

HB bayos are just busted lmao

[wanton dawn]

Also BM applies to bayo

[scarlet smelt]

Okay so

About this right

[gusty bison]

Mk3 HB should be clean 1 tapping ragers

[scarlet smelt]

One day I used the bayonet and was like "Hey wait this swings kinda fast and hard now"

and started using the bayonet to cancel charged shots

One day the bayonet swung too fast to actually cancel a shot

[midnight mortar]

Wait, swung? As in, the mk3?

[gusty bison]

Ngl the helbore bayo is one of the best anti rager melee

Its nuts

[sudden dome]

on crits yea without them Im close

[scarlet smelt]

oh sorry

stab

but yeah it fucks ragers

[gusty bison]

Im able to 1 tap ragers with crits on a HB2

[midnight mortar]

Ah was gonna say, you'd been missing out.

But yes.

[sudden dome]

Im getting 1k crits on the maniac ragers

[gusty bison]

So ur HB3 build is just fucked

[midnight mortar]

It's been well established for a while now that helbore bayonets are extremely effective.

[wanton dawn]

Bayo can one tap all special, all horde, and shotgunners

[midnight mortar]

You can use one in lieu of a melee weapon for 80% of an auric.

[sudden dome]

thats with the 30% weakpoint node

[gusty bison]

Frankly irs better than a melee in a lot of situations

[wanton dawn]

Bayo only weaknesses are mauler and crusher

[gusty bison]

Like a rager pack

[gusty bison]

Mauler u go for bodyshots

[sudden dome]

Ill jsut say i dont know how to helbore then

[gusty bison]

It still staggers them

[wanton dawn]

Still weak dmg

[sudden dome]

because all 3 of the ones ive built suck

[gusty bison]

Helbore atm is deffo the best lasgun

By like a country mile

[wanton dawn]

Better to use a primary for mauler and crusher

[junior grail]

I wish helbore 3 has a faster better slash

[gusty bison]

The gun part is very solid. And the melee is well...

An S tier melee

[sudden dome]

thats like saying the agri is the best braced gun, its not like it has competition

[gusty bison]

MG1a

Which isnt a bad gun

At all

Laspistols

All solid weapons

[sudden dome]

hold on

what

you get the 25% swap weapon perk

on the helbore melee kill

thats mess up

[junior grail]

Yup

[jade notch]

Agile Engagement?

[gusty bison]

[wanton dawn]

Glorious bayo #veteran-class message

[gusty bison]

Helbore as a gun is already the best lasgun

[junior grail]

Karnak Twins appear

Fix bayonets

[gusty bison]

It then also has one of the best melee weapons taped to it

[sudden dome]

if it shot semi straight without swapping to secondary I would build a mk2 right now

[jade notch]

https://tenor.com/view/bayonet-warhammer40k-death-korps-of-krieg-equip-bayonet-i-make-ready-gif-26550076

[sudden dome]

but thats my other gripe with it

[scarlet smelt]

the bayonets do a comical amount of damage to void shields

lmfao

but yeah I wish stability had more to do with helbore hipfire accuracy

would love it

[gusty bison]

Helbore's thing is its ads stability is for some reason top of the line

[junior grail]

I wish we can have the helbore as a solely melee weapon. Block, parry, stab

[fervent quiver]

With the fanning revolver in the game, how do you think they'll implement the bolter pistol?

[wanton dawn]

Badly

[scarlet smelt]

probably because of the shit rail used as a sight lol

[junior grail]

Pssst weapons customisation mod

[gusty bison]

Kinda but like, it means once u get used to the sight it actuallg becomes one of the most precise guns around

[scarlet smelt]

(I know but fatshark had better be balancing their shit based on how things are, as is.)

[sudden dome]

crashes my game every time I die while playing with an ogryn, the knife they have keeps breaking it

[fervent quiver]

That's besides the point, even though it's true

[gusty bison]

Dodging? Jumping? Getting shot? Helbore doesnt care

[fervent quiver]

The mk2 helbore with its shitty rail sights

[junior grail]

Can't rebuttal that one, the guy updates so frequently and I don't know which one is the stable one

Once I found a stable version, I just stick with that mod for as long as I can

[wanton dawn]

There is currently a home for a explosive stagger horde weapon with not crap agility

[junior grail]

Multitube Nade Launcher....

[fervent quiver]

U right... oh no

[thick fossil]

Is it possible to cancel the charge shot of the helbore without swapping weapons?

[fervent quiver]

Weapon specialist will carry that

[scarlet smelt]

bayonet

[gusty bison]

I mean it just is a crit build

[jade notch]

Bayonet special

[scarlet smelt]

swing twice

[gusty bison]

And bolter crits are solid AF

[fervent quiver]

The reload will probably be another ten years, so who wants to reload it on top of that?

[junior grail]

I do hope the Bolter explosive aoe be more significant other than aoe stagger

[wanton dawn]

Bolter is as agile as me on my chair

[gusty bison]

Imagine reloading. Just weapob spec things

[fervent quiver]

Exactly

That's why I said weapon spec

[junior grail]

When you decide the full bladder can wait

[fervent quiver]

I just hope that the special fire is actually something

[wanton dawn]

Stop calling me out

[fervent quiver]

or they can put the storm bolter in the game and laugh/cry

[scarlet smelt]

what perk and blessing setup for heavier laspistol

[sudden dome]

then one day you look over and realized youve become what you feared most as you notice a line of bottles along the wall

[fervent quiver]

"One of us"

[junior grail]

I have a suggestion for a solution to Heavy Bolter/Storm Bolter/Lascannon issue...

Fixed weapon mounts with limited ammo.

[fervent quiver]

The storm bolter is just gonna be funny

60 rounds, rpm of your entire body is gone, entire ammo pool gone in seconds

[junior grail]

Just let us climb onto one of the abandoned Leman Russ tanks and fire the pintle mounted turret for a scripted horde pls

[fervent quiver]

And the psyker will still find a reason to explode

And the zealot will still find a reason to be on 1 hp

[sudden dome]

they should have a blessing on the bolter that gives more power in exchange for like 1-2 hp per shot

zealot would love that

[fervent quiver]

Then you notice the leman russ moving. Then you ask where the ogryn is... carrying the tank

[junior grail]

Give Zealot a whip, weapon special is self-flagellate

[sudden dome]

in exchange for speed

[hasty mesa]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855397043286704128/1186766945056473208/GBknlkqWQAAehdz.png?ex=659471d8&is=6581fcd8&hm=e503763e09180352911bda02c6483354bfce07d7f31118053d4dddf8c2484769&

[fervent quiver]

Please no

[sudden dome]

speed and a second of dodge for some health

[fervent quiver]

I came here to get away from tf2

[sudden dome]

you can literally just run to the next elevator ignoring your team

[fervent quiver]

Not for it to come back

[keen wharf]

[wanton dawn]

[fervent quiver]

Your arm is gonr

[wanton dawn]

I thing this might be impractical

[jade notch]

Accuracy By Volume

[sudden dome]

2 marks one with a brace one without, the brace takes longer to swap the one without has stupid recoil

[fervent quiver]

The krieg should have a heavy bolter

For reasons

[wanton dawn]

I love when my ammos are bigger than my pistol grip

[fervent quiver]

Don't you love that recoil

[wanton dawn]

You wont be playing the piano after firing that square thats for sure

[fervent quiver]

Just give us a melta gun

[sudden dome]

give us a tier 6 where you can give us crazy weapons, 2h ogryn, meltas, laser lmgs, 2h powerswords for the zealots. Just really go ham on the game mode too, ragers are basic enemies but it doesnt matter because you have god tier weapons

upgraded versions of psyker, everything just uses its EP versions without the reduced cost

[junior grail]

Reminds me of EDF, lock the crazy weapons behind difficulty

[fervent quiver]

And then we finally fight a chaos marine

Makes no sense for them to be there but idgaf

[raw steppe]

Man edf is so fun

[junior grail]

Yea miss that game

[tiny summit]

New one woop woop

[junior grail]

Nice dumdum

[scarlet smelt]

I've always wanted extra flak armor death

also tf is Resistant

[empty heron]

Isn't that just any type of armor? Not sure

[midnight mortar]

It's supposed to be Unyielding.

It's another bug.

[scarlet smelt]

i see

[thick fossil]

I give up, I tried to like the Helbores but it ended up me using the bayonet most of the time and cursing having a decent veteran teammates because they can down the ranged specials/elites before I am done charging.

[nova raven]

cheked in the meat grinder, serrated bleed is doing 1dmg per tick, what's up with that?

[thick kestrel]

so it's to do with how bleeds apply their damage. they kind of stack up? so a single bleed stack deals very low damage

but as you apply multiple bleeds they start to ramp off eachother and deal a more exponential damage curve

[nova raven]

5 hits, 5dmg per tick?

or something like 50?

[thick fossil]

Alright let's go into another questionable weapon, how important is stability on the new heavy laspistol?

[thick kestrel]

kind of? it's a bit more significant than that... there was a good ryken video which covered how bleed works out... I'll see if I can find it

[nova raven]

you don't have to, I'll find it, thanks mate for info

[thick kestrel]

nah it's all good, will only take a sec

[nova raven]

aight

[midnight mortar]

Yeah the revolver and plasma are going to outperform you there. The Helbore mk1/2 fulfills the role that the XII used to have as an anti-gunner/anti-shooter weapon.

You should be easily topping the ranged lesser and ranged enemies killed stats.

While also being able to actually contribute against crushers/maulers.

[thick kestrel]

here we go: https://youtu.be/lS_CmIQzYhc?si=1m-2Ko-MUsgyFyUZ&t=36

[midnight mortar]

They do really benefit from Onslaught and Surgical blessings though.

[thick kestrel]

timestamped for a discussion on shredder frags which covers how bleeding works

[nova raven]

thank you very much

[thick kestrel]

this is from the intial patch 13 changes for context

but it's the best explanation I've seen for the bleed mechanics so far

[thick fossil]

I feel overwhelm when I have to deal with a pack of gunners, it feels so much easier with like a columnus Mk V to deal with it. Is faster and easier.

[midnight mortar]

Is your Helbore capable of 1 shot uncharged headshots while in exec stance against gunners?

That's the ideal way to run it for that purpose.

[thick kestrel]

for a TLDR however:

[thick fossil]

I haven't tried it with exec stance.

Let's see

[midnight mortar]

But if you feel overwhelmed in those situations, you may just not like the Helbore's playstyle.

[thick fossil]

Being a Mk II I don't think so

[midnight mortar]

It shines best with executioner's stance for an anti-ranged role.

Also needs the unarmored perk if you want to 1 tap dreg gunners specifically.

[thick kestrel]

even shorter however: more bleeds = more damage, keep stabbin

[nova raven]

yup

tested more on grinder

seems a bit shit to be honest

ogryn I get, you get 4 stacks per swing

[thick kestrel]

it's a yes and no kind of situation... the trick with serrated blade is that it's more of a horde fighting tool than a single target murder option

[thick fossil]

I can one shot the scab gunners but not dreg gunners without charge shot and using the stance.

[thick kestrel]

think about how it applies with a weapon like a devil sword against large groups of opponents, where you can cleave a large number of opponents at once.

[midnight mortar]

As mentioned, yeah you'll need an unarmored perk on the mk2 to reach that breakpoint.

[thick kestrel]

so you're essentially applying a large amount of small damage ticks against lots of targets

[nova raven]

yea, I used power sword, things die before the bleeds do any work

[thick kestrel]

aha, yeah it's sadly a bit of a non-combo with the powersword

[thick fossil]

Hmm yeah probably not for me, not a fan at all of exec stance.

[nova raven]

yea xd

[thick fossil]

The shout qutie good.

[thick kestrel]

it's more of a devilsword/tactical axe/standard shovel kind of pick 🙂

lower damage high attack speed weapons

or high cleave in the case of the shovel

serrated bonk

[nova raven]

yea might be good with shovels

anyhoo, thanks for the talk mate, going to smack around some heretics

[raw steppe]

Tbh its pretty useless except to apply mercy killer

[thick fossil]

Any tips on the new heavy laspistol? The blessings that worked wonders on the old one look kinda bad on it.

Got me this viring heavy laspistol but I'm unsure what to do with it.

It does not feel like it has the same base crit chance the old one has, I hope I'm wrong.

[junior grail]

Its just much slower

I'm not used to it neither, heard its good on exe stance and can hit breakpoints

[thick fossil]

Ohh no, exe stance pokes his head again, I guess I could give a try.

[formal hamlet]

Which of these two perks should I replace? I'm trying to make a crit build with this lasgun.

[junior grail]

Maybe Focus Target will help, not sure

[raw steppe]

Yep he will need to test breakpoints

With and without crit

[thick fossil]

If I crit it feels amazing

[raw steppe]

With and without exe

Do you oneshot shotgunners and gunners

[thick fossil]

I like 2 shot maulers

Good luck getting double crit though

[raw steppe]

Eh its not too bad lol

You can get like 30% from tree

And the weapon has like 20% base crit

[thick fossil]

I really hope it's just like the old pistol

[midnight mortar]

Frankly, both the perks are garbage and won't really help you so the choice is yours.

Hope you know what you're signing up for.

Since you're running infernus, I guess you could keep the unyielding.

[formal hamlet]

Neither perk is desirable for the build, so I need to remove the most crappy one.

This is apparently the ideal version.

[sharp ember]

eh, no dumdum?

[junior grail]

Maniac is preferable imo

[midnight mortar]

That build looks... old?

Like, 3 weeks during Patch 13 old.

[junior grail]

Those guys are annoying to kill with Recon

Yea recon has been kicked back down for quite a while

[midnight mortar]

That was the ideal VId back when it was actually viable to use and Shocktrooper wasn't nerfed.

[sharp ember]

i agree, maniacs are a higher priority during a split-second

[formal hamlet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a64639b-8b6b-4e5d-9940-a0c9e2bb2dd2/auric-maelstrom-double-rend-free-ammo

I'm using this page.

[junior grail]

I tried giving recon another shot recently and it was my poorest performing build

[sharp ember]

“free ammo” yeah, no shocktrooper crit strings anymore

that must’ve been made during the month of recon

[junior grail]

I miss 5 crit string

[midnight mortar]

Deadshot on a recon?

Free ammo?

Yeah

This is outdated.

[raw steppe]

This build got nerfed out of existence

Fyi

[formal hamlet]

Oh no, I used up all my plasteel and a lot of money to try and get a recon gun similar to that.

[sharp ember]

i think mk2 has an edge over mk6 recon now, due to better ADM

[raw steppe]

Yeah unfortunate

[midnight mortar]

My condolences.

[junior grail]

Recon needs at least a double ammo size buff

[raw steppe]

But it is what it is

[sharp ember]

remember the karking mk2 recon

[midnight mortar]

Fatshark's balancing decisions have caused untold suffering.

[junior grail]

Keep it, at least they rebuff it in the future

[midnight mortar]

*if

[junior grail]

If

That is right

[formal hamlet]

I just wanted to have fun with the recon las.

[thick fossil]

Maybe they can fix the two blessings that deal extra damage on salvo 3 shot or something like that, so the recons can work like a burst fire weapon.

[raw steppe]

You missed it by like 2 months

If you played in octoberish

[junior grail]

You can... just probably not in auric, maelstrom etc

[raw steppe]

You wouldve been able to have fun

[formal hamlet]

Oh I've never played on those settings yet anyway.

[raw steppe]

Oh yeah if u do lower difficulty

[formal hamlet]

So that works for me.

[raw steppe]

It should be fine

[junior grail]

Just gotta watch ammo

The free ammo thing no longer applies

[thick fossil]

Isn't the slow firing recon las kinda ammo efficient?

[formal hamlet]

That explains why my ammo was still a problem last mission.

[junior grail]

I heard some say the middle ground mk 2 recon is viable... as aviable as mk 6 recon I mean

[formal hamlet]

Don't know much about meta, but my friend helped me make a Helbore lasgun and a plasma gun build, I wanted to mix things up a bit and use something full auto, saw this on the build website with lots of upvotes so figured I'd make it.

[raw steppe]

Infantry autoguns and braxed autoguns are pretty good

If you wanna try em

[junior grail]

Oh I heard there is one recon build that has potential now, using Marksman Focus keystone

[midnight mortar]

All recons are now extremely ammo inefficient. The irony of the nerfs was that shocktrooper is still a mandatory pick talent for recon users now even though the goal was to disincentivize it. This is because it's the only way recons can see even some minimal ammo return on their already awful efficiency.

Their efficiency was worsened by reducing the damange dealt to flak at range from 75% to 50% and hidden changes that removed the crit string of the VId.

[junior grail]

Its funny that infantry lasguns have more ammo than the recons

Oh yea that reverse falloff too

[midnight mortar]

So now you end up with this.

[calm prairie]

water gun

[junior grail]

When the burn damage equal your base dps

[raw steppe]

I still need to make my stealth vet with raking fire

But havent decided which melee

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe

U can do the funny one shots with it
And it handles elites well

I guess shovel too but shovel’s horde clear speed wasn’t as good for me

Not a fan of the low dmg wide stagger atks on mk7 and mk3

[junior grail]

Hows new chainaxe?

Both the new mark and the improved old chainaxe

I haven't tried yet on vet

[jade notch]

I like the improved Old ChAxe on my Vet. Heavies for Hordes, Lights for Maulers/Crushers/Ragers.

Just don't rely on the ChAxe stagger to stunlock Ragers already in their combo.

Because that fucked me over more than once lol

[junior grail]

Oooh gotta try then

Rev push attack still viable on Rager?

I assume Thrust + Bloodletter

[jade notch]

Haven't tried it myself, I try to put down Ragers before they get withing swinging range.

Headtaker and Slaughterer on mine, actually

[junior grail]

Ahhh okie dokes

[jade notch]

Slaughterer was locked in and I can't remember what I replaced with Headtaker

[junior grail]

I like bleed now

[jade notch]

Someone cna probably build you a better old ChAxe, it's just the one I'm stuck with

[junior grail]

Will experiment when I can

Hope i got enough dockets and plasteel

[jade notch]

🫡

[raw steppe]

I'll try it again but i hated the horde clear lmao

[formal hamlet]

Was in a mission so couldn't reply, but which one is this? Maybe I can salvage the build.

[jade notch]

Left-most Keystone

[formal hamlet]

So I just put a point in that keystone and I'm done?

[junior grail]

So everything that the Recon needs as in the old build but going further into Marksmans Focus Kestone on the bottom left

Aim for heads and enemies should drop much faster

[jade notch]

Don't know if that Recon Build needs any of the Marksman Focus sub-nodes, so can't help you there.

[formal hamlet]

Gotcha.

The build being outdated makes sense since I was wondering how to do this.

[junior grail]

Give it a try, should save ammo with the extra damage

Yea you'll definitely need Onslaught

[jade notch]

Yeah, that build's bugged. I wish you could skip nodes tho

[formal hamlet]

So get more of the purples?

[junior grail]

Doubt you can get Rending Strikes in the middle if youre going to reach for Marksman Focus Keystone

[junior grail]

Yea, the middle two are the popular picks

[jade notch]

You're better off getting Onslaught than Rending Strikes or Gap in their Armor from Marksman Focus, if you're running a Recon Lasgun

[formal hamlet]

Hm, not sure what I can sacrifice to get those 2 points for them.

[jade notch]

Since you're already blasting it with a lot of shots, which Onslaught builds off of

[formal hamlet]

Maybe get rid of these two from middle?

[junior grail]

Alright now I'm curious to give Recon another try again

[raw steppe]

I think you need both

The 10% node and onslaught tbh

I would just go tag

[jade notch]

I would not give up Confirmed Kill (The one on the bottom right), that's one of Vet's most reliable ways to regain Toughness in the middle of a horde. Because you're almost always shooting Specials/Elites.

[raw steppe]

Instead of marksman

Itll be a more consistent dmg boost

Esp since you need the 10%

[formal hamlet]

The build description says I also regain grenades but I don't.

Probably since they moved the perks around.

[junior grail]

I just heard the Marksman Focus build from someone, maybe Grawr

[raw steppe]

Marksman focus doent make sense

In this case i think

[junior grail]

As I said, haven't tried myself yet haha

[raw steppe]

I would also not use infernus

And just fo with dumdum HH

[junior grail]

Yea I run that too

[raw steppe]

But i havent played the build much since it got gutted

I only do aurics and its a tad too weak for that for my taste

[junior grail]

Nemph isnt so should be fine for them

[formal hamlet]

I do like the 3 star, and sometimes I do the 4 star if I have a friend.

I tried the 5 star once and it felt like I was just being hard carried by friends.

[thick fossil]

Uh, new Heavypistol with no keystone not bad at all.

Quite ammo efficient with high enough crit

[formal hamlet]

I'm doing 4 star more and more often, feels like it's more consistent than 3 because more experienced people queue up for it.

[raw steppe]

It should actually pair well with marksman focus

If you wanna give it a try

If you get it stacked your crit headshots will one shot everything

[thick fossil]

Ehh Idk I need to sacrifice Onslaught or Endless ammo or Iron Will for it.

[raw steppe]

I would sac onslaught

[thick fossil]

!!!

[raw steppe]

Since its the slow laspistol

Not the fast one

[thick fossil]

True

[versed merlin]

you can one shot hs almost everything that isnt ogryn or mauler with marksman focus with new heavy laspistol

dont think you can otherwise

[thick fossil]

But I move, like a lot though with the pistol. Why not take a infantry lasgun if I am going to play with marksman focus?

I was using the Helbores with marksman focus.

[raw steppe]

You can move with marksman focus you know

[thick fossil]

Eehh, kind of.

[raw steppe]

You stacks fall off slowly and they fall off even slower if you're popping heads

[thick fossil]

The cost of opportunity is what I would have to ponder.

I lose onslaught and get the focus

[sharp ember]

1 second of movement per headshot hit, and 3 seconds per headshot kill, yeah?

[thick fossil]

Yeah

[raw steppe]

Onslaught kinda sucks rn anyways

[thick fossil]

On average I would say I get like 850 DPS against Crushers with Onslaught? What do I gain in return

[sharp ember]

i like using heavy laspistol on a melee build with deadshot

slow RoF and duck n dive means upped crit chance for days

[thick fossil]

I can one shot the "black" gunners with the focus, no crit required.

[sharp ember]

and i just blast anything i don’t wanna get too close to like mauler packs

[thick fossil]

Ohh damn, that is a great idea.

[raw steppe]

Ghost also works with duck and dive iirc?

I think

[sharp ember]

i believe so, but i don’t have the fortune to have it on mine

[jade notch]

I'm having fun with an Infiltrate Weapon Specialist Vet with Krak Grenades, old ChAxe and old Revolver

[thick fossil]

I just need to nail 3 shots without ADS on a crusher, and then boom 1000 DPS against them, not bad.

Hmm nah I just got really lucky, I do like the idea of deadshot on the heavy las pistol.

Onslaught, probably not needed.

Yeah, I definitely need to drop it. The stance is much stronger, quite harder to play though but that's fine. Uh, I did not expected to see a light at then end of the Heavy Laspistol tunnel.

[raw steppe]

Ye vet nodes are stronk

You'll have pretty disgustinf recovery with exhilarating takedown

Can prob tank a sniper to toughness

[thick fossil]

To be fair the last time I played the vet was before the latest "shrink" changes, I was not a fan.

[raw steppe]

If you build your tree right

[thick fossil]

Ohh yeah and exhilarating takedown was bug.

[raw steppe]

Its fixed now

[jade notch]

It's been fixed at least 1-2 hotfixes ago

[thick fossil]

Perhaps it has been a bit longer since I last played with vet then.

[still nebula]

Veteran right now doesn't even need Keystones to outperform other classes 😅
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTq4va0IXsQ

[thick fossil]

Well vet keystones give conditional damage with a drawback.

[raw steppe]

Yep keystones that are good but optional is a good place to be

In terms of balance

Theyre good enough to be worth taking

But the rest of the tree is good enough to skip the keystones if you want to

I think that's pretty successful balancing

If you ask me

[thick fossil]

If we could quantify how much we gain by having an X keystone instead of more talents, it would not surprise me it if was far worse unless you are religiously proficient with the keystone.

And even then they have their conditions and limitations, the keystones.

I'll take it over they nerfing other talents and making the keystones stronger to force the players to use them though.

[barren cave]

getting the 90% accu no ammo penance is kinda hard af

[versed merlin]

pretty doable with revolver or shotgun

i got mine second try with revolver

just unload your weapon during horde

and you're good

[barren cave]

Im trying to do it with revolver

[topaz lance]

ALternatively take an assassination mission and mag dump into the boss shield a few times

[abstract flare]

Don't miss more than like 6 shots and don't pick up ammo

[formal hamlet]

I forgot to inquire further earlier; why are autoguns and braced autoguns really good for Veteran now?

[trim hemlock]

Braced Autoguns aren’t really as good on Vet as they are on Zealot, but Infantry Autoguns have been good primarily due to them benefiting greatly from some Veteran feats and abilities

Columbus IAG is also extremely overtuned right now

[formal hamlet]

Which perks do they synergise well with? I only ever noticed lasgun synergy with that one ammo perk.

What about the infantry lasguns, are they okay?

[topaz lance]

Left keystone is good with them. Onslaught too

[formal hamlet]

I have a Zealot I'm working on as my secondary class, may as well save braced autogun fun for that one.

But might still give infantry autoguns a try.

[safe plover]

O @vital verge , what is the best gun for veteran?

[tiny summit]

aw, weapon specialist reload doesnt activate if you swap to gun with exe stance

[formal hamlet]

I was told getting a good plasma gun is easy because the blessings don't really matter, so long as I have the perks. This still the case? Going to try and roll a plasma gun like this one.

[wanton dawn]

I'd guess plasma as it is the one most likely to bring your self-termination, improving this one peace of mind

[safe plover]

[sharp ember]

yeah, the listed plasma blessings are the best ones but aren’t necessary because they often don’t make a difference unless it’s a monster

a few lucky crits will shave off some shots into a crusher pack or something but that’s all

[formal hamlet]

Between the two blessings, which one is more important in case I have a customisation point left.

[teal abyss]

Is Skullcrusher any good on a Dclaw? Melk is selling one with it at level 4, mine currently has the bonus critical chance on chained hit and that’s what I would replace with skullcrusher, worth the change or nah?

[barren cave]

This is good right?

[trim hemlock]

Carapace is odd as a perk of choice

[barren cave]

oh yeah, that was a misclick of epic proportions, I wanted to put maniac there

[trim hemlock]

I mean, lowering your kill time with, I assume, rending/brittleness on Crushers by a couple of rounds can’t be more valuable than just killing a HVT in one shot less, where the amount of shots required is already low

[barren cave]

which blessings though

[trim hemlock]

DS/FF is OK. Autoguns don’t really have bad blessings, but some of them might be better or worse, depending on the rest of your build

Raking Fire for instance is very good with Infiltrate + Aggro drop upgrade

[barren cave]

I might give it to hadron , I dont have t4 fire frenzy

[trim hemlock]

DS + FF i imagine may allow you to more easily magdump and elite/special mid-horde

Because you may kill some chaff on the way and stack the power

I’d say it’s definitely usable, but you do you

[shadow aurora]

Man left side keystone needs a complete rework

Idk what they were thinking making a keystone that incentivizes you to not move in a tide game

[empty heron]

Guessing you haven't tried it

[shadow aurora]

I have

And i never will again

[empty heron]

I mostly run left side and it's incredible with the revolver for example. You move just as you would normally.

If you play on console I guess it can be harder though

[shadow aurora]

Oh well maybe thats why its so bad for me then idk

[empty heron]

Ah yeah. Don't think it works well there. You need a lot of aim for it to work. Hard on a controller

[shadow aurora]

Still think its needs a rework. Seems to be very little reason to choose it if you dont have god aim

[empty heron]

Yeah I see your point. A little cool to have some high skill high reward node though. But maybe it could have a better baseline or something

[crude ermine]

Tbh as someone who's on console, it's not too difficult

Just takes more time getting used to

[solar garden]

Oh man, it's a good night.
Just got the best compliment ever; one of the scrubs I was trying to carry through Auric(multiple deaths and half my damage) accused me of aimbotting 🤣🤣🤣

[shadow aurora]

Is it worth the pay off though? You could easily choose either of the other keystones and do just as well without having to make your gameplay all awkward

[solar garden]

Guess I'm pretty good with the plasma 😆

[shadow aurora]

Why in the world would you aimbot with plasma lol

Just use revolver at that point if you really want to hack

[solar garden]

Dude... I don't even know. I'm not going down that line of thinking.

I mean, I did 1shot like 8 specials in a row but... that's just 2K hours in the tides games xD

And that's what plasma does lmao

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shadow aurora]

Should i try plasma? Ive been avoiding it since it seems akward to use

[celest vine]

Left and middle

I try to maximize lasgun damage and survivability

[empty heron]

Absolutely

[celest vine]

I also dont take the ammo aura

Pissing off angy tryhards is funny to me

[tiny summit]

It works. Plenty of moments in Darktide where you don't have to move and you get stacks off clicking heads, allowed to move off clicking heads and the stacks go away 1 by 1. People are overreacting with the keystone

[sage jasper]

A lot of people forget that Finesse helps crit a lot, so if you have a weapon like a headhunter/helbore with Surgical you can make decent use of Marksmans Focus via bodyshots if you hit the occasional headshot and get the stacks-when-standing-still node. You dont have to be static, as its super easy to hit 10 stacks in a few seconds if you have to move outside of the 3 second window.

You dont need to always be at max stacks and i find marksmans focus is pretty decent even if you're constantly moving

[celest vine]

Currently lets me stay alive, help the team and one hit most small enemies

Exception being maulers

[empty heron]

Something like this with the revolver is what I enjoy most atm

[shadow aurora]

Yeah theres moments

Very few moments

But moments

[tiny summit]

PLENTY of moments

[fossil basalt]

Lets not forget that the camouflage modifier is primo too

[shadow aurora]

[tiny summit]

You literally don't need to move at all times in auric damn

[shadow aurora]

Other keystones can be used whenever

[empty heron]

But you CAN move. Just kill while moving

[crude ermine]

I like to use Deadshot with my mf revolver

Is it overkill since it also has surgical?

Yes

[crude ermine]

But idk wherelse to put the node

[celest vine]

Catch a breath is one of vegs best perks

[tiny summit]

It's satisfying with a few stacks everything short of a mutant is getting 1 tapped by my helbore mk1. Had a night my friend saw my kill feed "oh god that is a lot of ragers." After the first few they all turned into 1 taps

[empty heron]

IMO it's not overkill at all. Enables you to guarantee crit much faster

[celest vine]

Straight out cant die in a long range shootout with gunners and shooters

[empty heron]

I almost never aim for more than 0.2 seconds

[crude ermine]

Same, I want to take the shot and move on to the next

[tiny summit]

Click heads and the MF is also up.

[shadow aurora]

Im just saying its a lot of effort for a payout which is not to different from any of the other much easier to use keystones

[tiny summit]

Free stacks off a few moments when I can take aim? Don't mind if I do

[barren cave]

does anyone take determined, the node which grants you suppress immunity

[empty heron]

Depending on your difficulty. But being able to one-shot 4-5 crushers in a row can be the difference. Only marksman lets you do that if I'm not mistaken

[sick marsh]

I've got 2 toughness and 1 wound curio. all have gunner resistance, extra health and toughness. how can I improve?

[fossil basalt]

If my lasgun don't have it, hell yeah

[empty heron]

That's really good. Only "improvement" or sidegrade would be to consider stam regen or ability regen

for more offense

[tiny summit]

K. It works and it has its place. Still overreacting over how hard it is to work with. If you're a vet with a lasgun how often do you REALLY need to be constantly moving while ADS? And if you're using a lasgun, I hope you are going for heads.

[shadow aurora]

Why are you so mad

[sick marsh]

I will probably look out for any curios with those on tier 4. grants me greater freedom in terms of my acquisition of perfect curios.

[empty heron]

You are the gazillionth guy to critisize marksman's focus

[tiny summit]

Helbore lately so no

[empty heron]

This is not our first rodeo

[fossil basalt]

Happens p much 5 times a day

[empty heron]

👆

[tiny summit]

Projecting are we? Are you mad that someone just doesnt agree with you saying MF is hard?

[shadow aurora]

No youre kind of just being mean

I dont like it

[fossil basalt]

Kindly: MF is not your kind of keystone and thats OK

[shadow aurora]

Okay we can leave it at that

[fossil basalt]

My tanith inspired vet with a MkIV lasrifle loves it

[shadow aurora]

I still think it would benefit from a tweak

[empty heron]

If you like to one shot things you should try it once your aim improves though!

It can be a lot of fun

[shadow aurora]

I dont think my aims improving anytime soon

[fossil basalt]

It do be cracked one shotting the ten or so ragers lol

[shadow aurora]

Ill give it another shot though

[fossil basalt]

Haha get it

[empty heron]

Ironically it might be harder with less elites specials to build up the stacks. Depending on the difficulty

[empty heron]

Test it in the meat grinder and you'll see how powerful your shots can be

[cerulean void]

the thing about MF is that you have to be OK with ignoring the stacks

when you get stacks, it just works

and as long as you can keep hitting heads, stacks stay

... I sure do love dropping ragers before backstabbing a few crushers with my knife tho, infiltrate ftw

[sage jasper]

yeah i think people read the description of it and think that MF veterans are constantly thinking "omg i cant move now ihave to maintain stacks" "i cant fire i havent got my stacks yet". But actually you just play normally like you always did and as long as you can click heads and have a weapon that either has good weakspot focus or high crit then its just a passive damage buff.

(i still prefer shout/focus target but still)

[empty heron]

I love MF but imho I think FT is better for the whole team. Unless you have such god aim you can carry everyone across the finish line.

[fossil cosmos]

which power sword can do multiple power attacks?

[empty heron]

depends on your blessings

You want Power Cycler IV for 2 extra power attacks

[fossil cosmos]

oo

[abstract aurora]

looking for something dumb to name my veteran

[barren cave]

Gorge Vandire

[junior grail]

George Vandire

[pastel geode]

Face McShooty

[wanton dawn]

Johntide Darkson

[barren cave]

just name him

Horus

[celest vine]

George yandre

[wanton dawn]

Lyn Grem

[autumn wave]

Sah

[sharp ember]

Guardsman

[cerulean void]

Chap Ladsbon

[slim rivet]

good autogun or a pass?

[cerulean void]

IMO anything not having at least one tier IV blessing from melk is a waste of melkbucks

but that's also not a great roll for a br auto

... statwise

[pastel geode]

Graia is also in that weird spot where the other two models outperform it as far as I can see

[sharp ember]

i vote pass, base stat problems and too many things need changing or upgrading

i think graia is equal to columnus now, if not has an edge

fun to use Onslaught with and send an entire magazine downrange with how much ammo you get

and accuracy ramp-up

[pastel geode]

To me it seemed like columnus shot faster and hit harder but I could be wrong. It’s hard to keep up with how the weapon meta shifts when so many change at once

[sharp ember]

ah they have the same hipfire RoF, but graia gains +20% RoF when bracing alongside the accuracy rampup gimmick

columnus does suit people who don’t wanna brace better though

[pastel geode]

Fair, I don’t brace often since moving slow especially in the newer missions isn’t exactly ideal

[scarlet field]

I everyone. I'm trying to do On Overwatch achievement. Honestly, I'm finding it pretty impossible: do you have any suggestion?

[pastel geode]

The don’t get hit one?

[scarlet field]

*Hi everyone lol

Don't get melee damages ion heresy+

[sharp ember]

you can soak melee hits at full toughness because you don’t take health chip damage, but don’t try it with shout overheal because that’s buggy and you sometimes still get chipped

[pastel geode]

Ah, that one really boils down to hyper vigilance and good teammates. Wait it’s a heresy challenge now?

[scarlet field]

Malice, sorry again

[sharp ember]

avoid fire damage and explosions, they can cause a fail

[scarlet field]

I'm work and getting distracted by trivial things

[pastel geode]

No problem, it was a year ago when I did it and penances have changed since then

[cerulean void]

always has been, there's never been a penance that requires damnation

[scarlet field]

I've seen some lad jumping out to death and gaining it since they don't get revived. Honestly It seems pretty weird

[pastel geode]

Huh, never occurred to me you could try to exploit it that way

[scarlet field]

"you can't take melee damages from a roof"

[pastel geode]

You at level 30 or still leveling?

[cerulean void]

the ground cannae parry your body at terminal velocity

[scarlet field]

just reached 30

[zealous wyvern]

calling yourself bayonetta as a psyker seems strange

no hair powers and no bayonet either

[pastel geode]

I mean bayonetta was a witch

[pastel geode]

What’s your loadout out of curiousity

[zealous wyvern]

i see

[pastel geode]

I called mine Jalter, though mostly cause my friend hates her and loves normal Jeanne

[sick marsh]

toughness regen speed?

[scarlet field]

Sharpshooter build with Kantrael XII and cadia chainsword cuz goes brr

Pretty basic stuff honestly

[cerulean void]

kan12 needs buffs :c

[shadow aurora]

Which ones that again

[cerulean void]

the heaviest pattern, slowest firerate

[shadow aurora]

Of what

[cerulean void]

lasrifle

[shadow aurora]

Ah

[pastel geode]

That’s pretty solid but if you wanna aim for that penance I’d try something with more dakka, they can’t hit you if they’re all suffering lead poisoning

[shadow aurora]

I dont use lasrifles so im not in a position to say anything about em

[scarlet field]

haha nice one

[slim rivet]

me who just somehow unlocks penance without knowing

[pastel geode]

Columnus infantry autogun is a solid choice

[cerulean void]

yeah it's just, Kan12 used to be the meta pick for vets, it hit all the breakpoints and had the power it needed to do work

but now the Ia and the IV both can hit similar breakpoints with a better firerate

[pastel geode]

You get lots of ammo, lots of fire rate, and your can still do the sharpshooters job with it.

[pastel geode]

Oh I should ask, do you run the lasgun crits don’t consume ammo perk?

[slim rivet]

welp still waiting for Melk to give out a solid Mk I Helbore with its prefered blessings

[cerulean void]

XII is just... slow now

and if you want a slower rifle with power, you're better off taking Helbore III

at least that one has cleave and can take care of armoured targets

[scarlet field]

Nope, cuz with Survivalist and a lot of ammo I never run out

[final locust]

@lilac sky

santa hat

this year

im calling it

[untold mulch]

Really, only laspistol really feel like it benefits from Shocktrooper

[pastel geode]

Fair, I just wanted to ask cause since it only requires malice the recon las would be viable too

[final locust]

do they have plans to add full other subclasses

not just skill trees

[pastel geode]

Unknown

[untold mulch]

No clue after the rework

[cerulean void]

everyone says they have the fifth character slot for a potential addition but

the number of characters you can have is pretty arbitrary

[final locust]

i guess

i'd heard rumors it was gonna be some fella from the adeptus mechanicus

[zealous wyvern]

its not that arbitrary

[final locust]

which would be cool

[untold mulch]

I think is less rumors and more like people are hoping and it kinda fits

[final locust]

yeah i guess

rumors are only people speculating though

[zealous wyvern]

i am speculating it will be yes but i am not claiming to have any confirmation here

[cerulean void]

as we've had zero, and something like that hasn't even been datamined yet

[final locust]

tbh

I just want the lasgun kasrkin use

[cerulean void]

we had inklings of the class rework from day 1 IIRC

[pastel geode]

Inb4 we get an eldar

[cerulean void]

[untold mulch]

I am waiting for the Hellgun since release

[final locust]

yeah

[pastel geode]

Mon’keigh

[final locust]

hellgun is gonna be so cool if it gets added

[cerulean void]

I want brrrtbrrrt lasgun, too bad the recons are bad rn

[untold mulch]

Fr fr

[final locust]

the recon lasgun is cool but not as cool as the hellgun

[untold mulch]

I am so tired of hearing it after playing Rogue Trader

[final locust]

I also want the kasrkin armour so bad

especially that helmet

[pastel geode]

XD

[untold mulch]

Even more so when they don't pronounce it like Mon-kai

but like straight up MONKEY

[final locust]

monkey

[untold mulch]

Yrliet, you shut up or you are out of the airlock

IS NOT A WARNING

[gaunt hinge]

imagine that, a kantrael laspistol firing at 1500 rpm

[pastel geode]

I’m stuck on the final fight if I think chapter 3

I fucked up and missed the space marine

[untold mulch]

I got him and imo

[cerulean void]

was playing Dark Heresy with my friends the other day and we ran into a Jokaero, and it's really funny that the Aeldari call humans mon'keigh when they exist too

[untold mulch]

I won't use him much

he is too big

and honestly my RT already just does the job

[pastel geode]

I mean he is a space marine lol

For me Argenta does the same job

[untold mulch]

Yeah, but the map design is not very suited for a 2x2 character

also that, Argenta already does the same role

[untold mulch]

Also nerfed to hell

[limpid basalt]

I've been using one of the lasguns, the one with the fastest fire rate

Literally infinite ammo

[untold mulch]

Because Fatshark refuses to admit that they panik nerfed

[limpid basalt]

Recons [*] :'(

[untold mulch]

MG IV?

[limpid basalt]

Yeah, I think so

Blue one

[untold mulch]

Yeah you have like 1300 ammo if you go left side

like

why the fuck does the recon

not have a similar ammo capacity as a patchwork

[limpid basalt]

I mean I go entire auric missions without going out

[pastel geode]

My main hang up on that last fight is I don’t think I can out kill their reinforcements and deal with the original group very well

[untold mulch]

until they get over themselves and fix the dam gun

[limpid basalt]

And not picking a single one ammo drop

[cerulean void]

MgIV is goated if you enjoy clicking (I run it every day)

[untold mulch]

Unless is another fight and I am confused, the reinforcements kinda fold quicky with a quick aoe attack

[limpid basalt]

auto mod for the win

[untold mulch]

fullauto mod to save your fingers

[cerulean void]

I had to uninstall it, it wasted too much ammo

[limpid basalt]

Huh, how?

[pastel geode]

It’s the fight against the reaving tempest leader

[cerulean void]

cause it applies to all guns at once, not just the one I want it for

[untold mulch]

Okay then yes

What diff you playing?

[limpid basalt]

Can't you turn it off for each specific gun type?

Or just turn it off every time you want to?

[untold mulch]

I am on Daring with enemy health booster to 100% because I was killing them too fast

[cerulean void]

maybe now? shrug been weeks

[limpid basalt]

I mean, there's even keybind for it

[pastel geode]

Normal, I got both eldar, Heinrix, Abelard, and Argenta with me

[cerulean void]

all my good keybinds are already taken :c

[zealous wyvern]

full auto mod fires as long as you hold i assumed

[pastel geode]

I went soldier and bounty hunter on my rt

[untold mulch]

What level? In Normal by then you should be nuking

[limpid basalt]

Do it on stuff like -, =, \

You definitely don't need those

[pastel geode]

35/36

[untold mulch]

Huh, weird

I say leave the boss for last

the lower health she goes, the more she is boosted

so is best to leave her when she is the last one standing

so the entire team can go Fight back

Try to revise all your talents to try to find some combos

[quasi glade]

idk if there are some serious hit detection issues going on for me atm with Col V or if meatgrinder is just lying

[untold mulch]

Yrliet to me one shotted everything that was not the boss

[quasi glade]

i unloaded half a clip of ammo into a gunner and the fucker lived lmao

[cerulean void]

it's hit detection

[limpid basalt]

You're shooting his hands :^)

[pastel geode]

Do you send one to cut off the mutants at the bottom of the stairs or let them come up?

[quasi glade]

I think I was shooting his back

[hearty kernel]

me unloading a clip of autogun and the dude starts just walking off 💀

[untold mulch]

I let Yrliet shoot them in the time they took to come up

[quasi glade]

yeah that'd make sense... I was also using a Helbore and didn't seem to be hitting even when shooting right at the target's center multiple times, maybe it's my connectiong rn

[cerulean void]

not just yours, I get ghost hits all the time. classic fatshark servers

[pastel geode]

That might be part of where I’m going wrong then. What did you make her subclass? I gave her assassin

[untold mulch]

Same

With killing edge

[celest vine]

I enjoy shooting a guardman in the head

[untold mulch]

and an opening buff or smth

[celest vine]

Getting the headshot sound

[untold mulch]

she pulls like 600 damage

[celest vine]

But zero damage

Cause hit detection is fucked

[limpid basalt]

Seemingly helbore suffers the most because of that

[untold mulch]

I think I have gotten Yrliet in that fight to do 1000 damage

[pastel geode]

Damn, most I’ve gotten out of her is 150

[quasi glade]

Sadge

[untold mulch]

Then you are not abusing the own assassin buffs enough

[pastel geode]

Then again she’s still using the gun you recruit her with

[untold mulch]

Oh,

[quasi glade]

I stopped playing Rogue Trader for now, waiting for the big patch in a couple days

[untold mulch]

I got her a better sniper, somehwere

[quasi glade]

But iirc I was using the sister of battle with a las sniper

[untold mulch]

I ended Arc 3, adn I am waiting until patch for Arc 4

[pastel geode]

I haven’t found a replacement the whole time

[quasi glade]

She kills the most

[untold mulch]

Funnily enough

I think Arc 4 is playable to me?

[quasi glade]

I'm still on Sigma Minoris or w/e it's called lol

[untold mulch]

Like I did a save and went on

and all quests popped at once

sooo, I may have been a lucky mf

Will wait for patch anyways

[untold mulch]

I gave her a heavy bolter once I got some recoil reduction on her

[pastel geode]

I have thought about doing a restart though and changing up my character

I originally went with the guard commander as a soldier archetype

[untold mulch]

Same, next time I play instead of fortress world I am gonna use Death World

10% crit with lasguns

Gib

MINE

[pastel geode]

I did fortress too lol

[lilac sky]

This isnt you going "chick chicky boom". I'm deeply disappointed in you.

[untold mulch]

In the end the never stop shooting of fortreess doesn't procs enough to my perception to be worth

With Arch-Militant was a mistake, because that class already gives me some multi-attacks

Officer is for Cassia

so she buffs everyone

[pastel geode]

I was thinking going crime lord and diving into the heresy instead of being a good boy for the emperor

[untold mulch]

and my RT goes

Only wish Hellgun had more ammo

[untold mulch]

My character is crime lord but is going straight

had a new chance at life

not gonna waste it

Yeah, I have heard that late game Owlcat just gave ridiculous buffs to bosses instead of balancing

a shame

Arc 1-2 is a 9/10 to me

[pastel geode]

I literally executed the mutants on display in footfall cause dogmatic as my commander

[untold mulch]

but Arc 3 I feel like it starts falling i nquality

[nimble sentinel]

mine probably used the infantryman's primer as TP

[flat dock]

Hey can I get some opinions on a build

[nimble sentinel]

too goated for heresy

[flat dock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ae3ec23-f497-423e-af1c-992841650a14/2-tap-sam

[pastel geode]

Shoot

[untold mulch]

I loved a chaos event trying to make my Iconoclast RT to fall to his knees and submit

And because I had that stat high

Him just going

I refuse

[quasi glade]

I am just winging it without any guides or previous experience in Owlcat games

[untold mulch]

Anime friendship bs power

Like, goddamn already like thrice my RT has pulled on by the power of friendship

[nimble sentinel]

ballin, I gotta pick up RT despite never making it past act 2 in BG3

[untold mulch]

Wait until tomorrow, and see how the patch goes

[quasi glade]

going Warrior Crime Lord from a Forge-World with the hope that I'll be able to get my hands on a thunder hammer or something like that

while devoting to Heresy

[untold mulch]

Arc 4 and 5 are kinda buggy

kinda

if the patch fixes the painful issues, I recommend it

Arc 1-2 is easily 50 hours of enjoyment

[nimble sentinel]

do you know if it runs well on a steam deck? gonna be on a plane friday

[untold mulch]

Actual enjoyment

[versed merlin]

very kinda

it does better than pc

[untold mulch]

Not sure tbh

[versed merlin]

cause at least on steam deck you dont crash to desktop

[untold mulch]

Perish

[pastel geode]

lol

[quasi glade]

well to be fair, it is called "unfair"

[untold mulch]

I want to do a Heretic run

but I've heard that on a pure heretic run, it kinda is meh

like characters don't react much

[limpid basalt]

wound on a curio

[untold mulch]

until key parts

[limpid basalt]

NGTMI

[quasi glade]

Never, devote yourself to the call of the IMMATERIUM!

[flat dock]

???

[quasi glade]

Serve the true masters of the cosmos, not your pathetic Corpse-Emperor!

[pastel geode]

Do they have chocolate chip cookies?

[limpid basalt]

It's trash

Also you should run reload speed if you're going with piss vision

Just to keep it going

[untold mulch]

The master of the cosmos is my Hellgun doing 80 damage per shot x4 per action

[flat dock]

Reload on the agrapianaa headhunter is pretty fast

[untold mulch]

Chaos Marines are hunted for sport

They fear me

Also Abelard

[quasi glade]

No, but I'm sure you can grab a few pallets of those while pillaging one of the Imperium's planets.

[untold mulch]

Because Abelard doesn't dies

Literal "fear old men in professions where they die young"

Incarnate

[quasi glade]

Yes, now imagine if you took the Hellgun and added just a sprinkle of...

Chaos

[pastel geode]

Then no I will not join chaos

[untold mulch]

Funnilky enough the best hellgun

[quasi glade]

https://tenor.com/view/rebellion-sprinkle-gif-26428985

[untold mulch]

requires Iconoclast

Sworn Protector

[pastel geode]

Oh that gun

[untold mulch]

Game rewards my faith on humanity 🙏

[pastel geode]

I gave that to Abelard as a backup weapon in my game XD