veteran-class

[atomic zephyr]

oh yeah i absolutely understand that being flashy is the point of a rogue trader outfit but im playing a vet not a rogue trader

lol

it LOOKS good tho

cant deny that

[sharp ember]

if you want to annoy your team yes, but seriously no, because when there's multiple elites you will waste it by unecessarily retagging

resetting your stacks

[lofty slate]

fair enough

[pastel geode]

I pretty much stick to what I was wearing before the skill tree update

[hard cave]

I mean I personally think it looks good and diversifying the types of vets you see

[atomic zephyr]

hey, entirely fair

[lofty slate]

what i really want is a valhalan set

i mean full on

[hard cave]

though we all know the most based vets are moebian 21st vets and zealots

[lofty slate]

that zealot peg leg tho

mmm

[hard cave]

that armor reminds me more of star ship troopers than anything

[lofty slate]

though i won't lie, if i figure out how to make my zealot look like Doom Guy, i'm doing it

[pastel geode]

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-gif-9460894

[hard cave]

I'm personally a huge fan of the zealot with armor style

[lofty slate]

already got a robocop set

[hard cave]

Like the one desert camo armor for zealot

or the 21st set

[pastel geode]

I got a nice set I like for my psyker that isn’t flashy

[hard cave]

we all know the most swag gear is convicts jump suit

[empty heron]

yeh. Not sure whether to go for rampage IV or 2 new perks

[cerulean ridge]

what to do with this one I wonder 🤔

[empty heron]

Feels like it wants extra 25% damage on unarmored maybe

or flak

wtf

[frozen meadow]

does the shredder from a chain axe proc onslaught?

[celest ermine]

Thanks.
What about the Autogun?
Replace Carapace with Flak and Hit & Run with Dumdum?

[tall torrent]

Does anyone know if reciprocity gains stacks from stripped down activating duck & dive?

[jade notch]

Ammo count blessed by Chaos itself

[gritty dock]

The best 2 Blessings for Columnus are:
Dumdum +4.5-6% Close Range damage on Repeated Hit. Stacks 5 times.
Deathspitter +5-6.5% Power for 3.5s on Close Range Kill.

In 3rd place is:
Fire Frenzy Gain +7-10% Close Damage for 3.5 seconds after killing an enemy at close range, stacking 5 times.

The 2 best Perks are: Flak and Maniacs

[nimble sentinel]

no love for the one giving bonus damage for shooting them in the back whose name I totally did not forget but creatively omit to test if you remembered it?

[atomic zephyr]

raking fire

[nimble sentinel]

well done

[serene sage]

for that one time you really hate that one trapper running away

[nimble sentinel]

or playing stealth, or the ogryn draws aggro

not a first pick but definitely worth a mention, no?

[gritty dock]

If you choose the Onslaught talent, I would keep +25 Carapace.
You would be defeating Crusher quite quickly.

[tall torrent]

Blessings: Dum dum + Stripped Down/Deathspitter/Fire Frenzy/Raking Fire
Perks: Flak + Elite/Maniac/Unyielding

[nimble sentinel]

which ones?

[tough hazel]

is executor a highly desired blessing on a combat knife?

[nimble sentinel]

that's a chance for instakill on heavies, correct?

[tough hazel]

no

+4.5-6% Power Level on Repeated Weak Spot Hit. Stacks 5 times.

[nimble sentinel]

I am illiterate to the blessings of the God Emperor

[zealous wyvern]

i just uncovered drip

[nimble sentinel]

very desirable you're aiming for the head anyway

[tough hazel]

alright thanks

wondering wether it might be a good use for my melkbucks

[nimble sentinel]

I'm rusty on my dagger meta tho

[tough hazel]

no problem, just dont want to be spending them on shit blessings

cause theres like at least a couple of them i know of that are just terrible

Punishing Salvo
+35-50% Weakspot Damage on Third and Fourth shots in a Salvo

Sustained Fire
+14-20% Damage on Third and Fourth shots in a Salvo.

i think they suck

[midnight totem]

Hrm. Vraks mk8 headhunter with 25 maniac

[tough hazel]

you mean this blessings are good on that specific gun?

[crude ermine]

Dagger more like

Badder

Yeah

[midnight totem]

Rolled 20 flak, and surgical

[zealous wyvern]

this prosthesis goes amazingly with this

[midnight totem]

Still salvageable

[zealous wyvern]

now i feel like a true veteran

[midnight totem]

Stopping power isn't really needed on a headhunter autogun right?

[zealous wyvern]

after all if you havent lost a limb for the Emperor are you really a vet?

stopping power is always good its literal damage from what i hear

its not just stagger

[tough hazel]

could put a scope on my helbores

[midnight totem]

Wait really? I thought it was just stagger

[tough hazel]

i wish*

[zealous wyvern]

its armour penetration

i was told

i have never tested this

[tall torrent]

It’s needed basically always

[zealous wyvern]

there are a few hidden effects of stats not told by the name alone

[tall torrent]

Better dmg against the 4 types of armor (flak, maniac, carapace, unyielding)
Increased stagger

[midnight totem]

Son of a

[tall torrent]

Stagger-only is called Collateral in the stat modifier

[gaunt hinge]

i got the funny portrait frame

baller

[zealous wyvern]

looks interesting

what from?

isnt that the warhammer+

[gaunt hinge]

yea it is

[trim hemlock]

You don’t lose it from unsubscribing, do you?

[merry gale]

he paid for warhammer+

stone him

https://tenor.com/view/the-hub-gif-21010881

[gaunt hinge]

nuh uh

[crude ermine]

I heard stones who are we hitting

[gaunt hinge]

i traded someone for it

[merry gale]

liar

[crude ermine]

That sentence has many different meanings and they can become very sinister

[gaunt hinge]

i had a few tins of corpse starch on hand

[pastel geode]

You should’ve poisoned one so you could steal the rest back

[zealous wyvern]

two sentence horror
you should have paid your 40k taxes to get it legitimately

[nimble sentinel]

"Taxation is cringe"
-Huron Blackheart

[crude ermine]

Taxes (scary)

[copper barn]

https://tenor.com/view/irs-taxes-warfare-suited-up-gif-26196595

[lavish coral]

no taxation without damnation

[quasi socket]

time to grind some melk money then damnation all day for hadron to give me more bricks to build a house

[serene sage]

Everyone is a socialist until they have to pay taxes

Me when the taxman cometh

25% bro

25 fking percent bro

[idle swallow]

The beneficent emperor audited me, now I'm on a penal ship to a forced labor colony

[atomic zephyr]

voldemort's been lookin rough lately

[copper barn]

He lost to that Potter boy one too many times.

[lavish coral]

what unemployment and one too many benders does to a mf

[serene sage]

Harry, I am a fortnight.
What??
I am two weeks.

[lavish coral]

Fortnite???

I heckin love fortnite omg

[tall torrent]

Am considering using this with chainaxe + infantry autogun

[zealous wyvern]

@mighty grail

you can find all of these on google just look up explaining 40k meme

[mighty grail]

yeah I was trying to but I just can't find that exact one, was basically a guy starting to text dumb in a chat

I'll keep looking, gonna show up sooner or later

[zealous wyvern]

oh so you are looking for a specific one?

i havent see a text one

[mighty grail]

yeah

[zealous wyvern]

only these irl ones

and this one too

[abstract quartz]

True tbh

[mighty grail]

[tulip zenith]

Vet is the most annoying class in the game

[tulip zenith]

Every vet with the gold tag constantly spam their gold tag on the same fking enemy

its either a plasma vet or a fucking tunneled vision one that gets down by a bruiser every 30 seconds

[final locust]

new chainsword i just got

from a mission drop

[tulip zenith]

Istg If I could axe Vet from the fking game I would

[final locust]

why bro

also

is that chainsword good

or nah

[tulip zenith]

nah

already bricked

usable at best, dont pour all ur plasteel on it

[final locust]

I didnt use anything on it

as i say

mission drop

[tall torrent]

Vet is the seemingly simplest but highest skill floor class

[tulip zenith]

Agreed. This fking class attract so many terrible players

[teal abyss]

Most played class is bound to have the most idiots too. I’d much sooner delete Ogryns any day lmao I don’t know what it is about shield Ogryns and fucking needing to spook Daemonhosts, like we get it you wanna feel special now please don’t waste half my health with corruption for no Fuckin reason

[tulip zenith]

Absolute idiots wasting their gold tag stacks by constantly spamming it without finishing the enemy first

You point it out and they still do the same fucking trash the entire game

[teal abyss]

Except I’ve seen vets discussing that reapplying the tag to the same target doesn’t even reset stacks

[tulip zenith]

always the one with the Krieg fit as well

[tulip zenith]

No they spam it between 3-4 ragers infront of them

Thats what I meant by idiotic

and its obnoxious af

[teal abyss]

Shoot ‘em already then

[tulip zenith]

yeah not when Im busy with like 5 specials on me

[terse idol]

It does

[tulip zenith]

its like a child panicking when the bug gets on them

[terse idol]

Its why if you have 8 stacks on a boss

You retag on 3

It now has 3 tags

[tulip zenith]

how hard is it tag something, kill it, then move onto the next

like its fucking 5th grade motor skill

[tall torrent]

Tag keystone is meant to be used as tag -> kill -> tag -> kill

It maintains minimum 2 stacks between

[tulip zenith]

but most of these ppl havent even developed object permanence

[teal abyss]

Yeah I don’t do it and I run into a vet who does maybe once every 5 games, my point is using one annoying thing that idiots do as justification for removing a whole class is fucking stupid

[tall torrent]

He’s just upset and that’s ok

People say dumb things when they’re upset

[tulip zenith]

Im just big mad tbh. Ofc it doesnt

[terse idol]

Well i mean its the spam ping problem

It just

isnt as informative as some folks think

[tall torrent]

Well first off the ability description doesn’t tell you that it resets to minimum 2 stacks after u kill a tagged enemy

[atomic zephyr]

mfw standing next to a door and six ragers pop out of it while my back is to the wall

[crude ermine]

I had a hound horde ready to show up at the door so I got swinging at the door

The FIRST enemy to pop out

Poxburster

[bitter turtle]

unironically

[atomic zephyr]

LOL

[bitter turtle]

if i used tag keystone

which i dont

i would just bind it to my shoot

:^)

[tulip zenith]

depends on how they line up, that could be a sextuple kill for a plasma vet

[atomic zephyr]

they werent lined up at all

[scenic bronze]

Reason why I haven't used it yet, needs another button

[teal abyss]

Bro would never apply more than 3 stacks to a target lol

[bitter turtle]

ya

id just run it for the 8 stack sof passive dmg up

fuck the actual mechanic

[atomic zephyr]

i was gonna try and throw a frag at my feet but they downed me faster than i could drop the nade

[tulip zenith]

Then yell if you dont got yell dodge and weave and praise to the emperor

[atomic zephyr]

yell was on cooldown :(

[bitter turtle]

it goes against the literal muscle memory i've built up from the beginning of spamming tag to scout enemies

[tall torrent]

Tag in actual combat is typically +8% dmg to everything u tag and that can help some weapons’ breakpoints

[atomic zephyr]

it was just unfortunate happenstance

couldnt dodge out of the way because they surrounded me and my back was to the wall

still won the round tho so whatever

[tulip zenith]

also if u get the kill whole team get a nice juicy buff

[bitter turtle]

yes

you can spam tag and still get that buff since it stacks individually

[teal abyss]

The team toughness boost from killing something with 5+ stacks is where I get the most value out of it honestly but each their own

[tall torrent]

I don’t run any of the keystone modifiers outside of Karnak twin fight

[bitter turtle]

im sure its nice and all

but fuck that

[tulip zenith]

valid for Vet tbh

[bitter turtle]

even on twins hm i ran wep specialist instead

[tulip zenith]

even with the ravamped skill tree

[tall torrent]

I literally just treat the tag keystone as “+4~8% dmg to everything I tag”

[bitter turtle]

same tbh

[tall torrent]

And I use that to get my breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

imagine actually waiting for stacks, wouldn't be me :^)

seriously

what an annoying mechanic as a keystone

[teal abyss]

It’s still 10x less annoying than the focus keystone

[bitter turtle]

only if you're bad

unironically

marksman focus keystone is just "do what you're supposed to do for free stats"

as in click heads

[teal abyss]

That playstyle is fucking garbage lmao

[bitter turtle]

what

headshotting?

[tall torrent]

I’d rather they change the 8 stack modifier to +1% dmg per stack instead of getting 3 extra stacks

[bitter turtle]

you're not supposed to stand still unnaturally

i run it on v7 and just play normally and enjoy the free finesse and reload

[tulip zenith]

That keystone is responsible for half of the tunneled-vision vet in pub

[teal abyss]

No having to stay still to build up stacks in a game when you get swarmed by melee every 15-20 seconds if you’re lucky

[bitter turtle]

you're not supposed to stand still

you get free movement for headshot kills and weakpoint hits

and even if you do move

you dont drop all stacks instantly

you lose 1 per second

[tall torrent]

Ngl
With the more sniping-orientated weapons I really did not find myself moving much when in shooting

[bitter turtle]

its very slow loss

[tulip zenith]

I crouch-dodge when using that keystone

not the most convenient playstyle but still

[bitter turtle]

a single headshot kill gives you 3 back

not to mention 3 more seconds of movement

[teal abyss]

I even play Helbore and I’d rather not use a keystone than use focus Lmao annoying as shit

[bitter turtle]

sounds like an unironic skill issue ngl

[tall torrent]

Helbore nah cuz you got a gun on a spear

[tulip zenith]

ye just use accurate weapons like the Vraks headhunter and that keystone could be pretty decent

[tall torrent]

Infantry lasgun, headhunter autogun, I think it’s not that bad

Especially after I realized it gives MG12 one taps without VF

[teal abyss]

Nah not being patient enough to use any keystones how their meant to be used and just taking them for a half assed passive effect is the real skill issue Lmao

I’m good don’t worry

[bitter turtle]

standing still is not how focus is meant to be used

like is aid, its genuinely just a "play normally and get free bonus"

as long as you headshot you should be gud

you dont always need to maintain 10 stacks anyway, 8 or 9 is good enough

most ppl dont take that rending at 10 stacks (and for good reason, that one is dubious)

[tulip zenith]

ye, good players will realize that you just need to play normally but get a weapon that can land headshot more consistently

[terse idol]

Camouflage does also just help to get a few stacks for standing still

At least for a moment too

[bitter turtle]

ya camoflage is good when you are already going to naturally stand still to line up a shot for a moment

[crude ermine]

At first I used to hate MF but I've grown to love it to now have it battle between the marking Keystone and that one

[bitter turtle]

you're not uspposed to stand still on purpose when you normally wouldn't

[tall torrent]

I use this for my MG12
Hits all 1 tap breakpoints I need

[lofty lintel]

No deadshot?

[terse idol]

All the VOC let's goo

[tulip zenith]

marking keystone is great if you dont have the muscle memory to spam tag from playing other classes

mark>kill>mark next, so on

[lofty lintel]

Do you crit without deadshot?

[terse idol]

I'm gonna say it though

[lofty lintel]

I use focus target for my lasgun build

[terse idol]

You don't need to spam tag

[bitter turtle]

even beyond the muscle memory, i think its an active debuff to lose the luxury of not being able to spam tag

spamming tag is in our muscle memory for a reason, its a great scouting tool

[lofty lintel]

Ttue

True

[bitter turtle]

that's why even if i play it im just gonna spam tag anyway fuck that lul

[terse idol]

I mean

Wh

[bitter turtle]

just treat it as a passive 12% dmg buff to the team from the subnode

[terse idol]

Eh

[tulip zenith]

Maybe I have a filter or smthing idk? Legit tag all the time but have no issues with the tagging keystone

[tall torrent]

I have like the most godroll MG12 possible

[lofty lintel]

Middle keystone is goated

[lofty lintel]

Oh shit LMAO

Nevermind

Yeah ur aight

[bitter turtle]

i tried focus for one game and hated it bc of that lul

also i hate how it needs like 2+ subnodes

[lofty lintel]

This is what i run for my lasgun build

[bitter turtle]

whereas MF and Wep specialist need only 1

[swift ingot]

This is the build and the weapons I’ve been running on my vet as of late, having a shot ton of fun with it

[lofty lintel]

Pretty good id say

[bitter turtle]

sometimes 0 for specialist

[lofty lintel]

Im looking for a better one though

[bitter turtle]

point hogging keystone 😔

[terse idol]

You only need the max 8

[tulip zenith]

u're 0.00001% slower than max possible. Literally trash

[tiny summit]

There are many, many times in every game of Darktide where you can be still, not be swarmed and make use of stacks. If you're making the keystone like you MUST play a certain way 100% of the time to make value out of it, that's your issue.

[terse idol]

The support stuff is optional

[bitter turtle]

max 8 is meh without redirect fire

[wraith locust]

what good vet loadout for karnak twins

[bitter turtle]

and then tons of ppl want to run stam regen because deadshot memes

[terse idol]

Its purely for the damage, it just ain't good

[lofty lintel]

As long as u have VoC

[tall torrent]

Tag keystone? I think it’s pretty usable without any modifiers

[terse idol]

For the support imo

[tulip zenith]

The fucking stam regen with stripped down blessing is such a trap

[tall torrent]

Turret keystone needs camoflage
Weapon specialist needs the auto-reload

[bitter turtle]

i think its underwhelming compared to the others baseline without the subnodes personally

[tulip zenith]

its such a garbo, unoptimal playstyle

[lofty lintel]

I use it with the 2 subnodes theyre so good

[bitter turtle]

and wep specialist can be run without autoload for some weapons

[terse idol]

Everyone builds stam regen curios anyways

[tall torrent]

That’s fair, depends on use case ig

[lofty lintel]

The stamina replenish synergizes very well with deadshot

[swift ingot]

I really like the target down modifier with 8 stacks, feels really good with Deadshot Laspistol

[terse idol]

I'm gonna focus on my own build

[tiny summit]

Please stop spam tagging. I don't need the rager that was next to the rager that was just killed to be tagged

[lofty lintel]

Lots of deadshot uptime and stamina management is a lot less chaotic

[crude ermine]

I love Deadshot with the revolver

[bitter turtle]

its for my own purposes so fuk u

i need to check how many ragers there are

in a crowd

[tall torrent]

If used as smth that’s just there to meet breakpoints it’s the lowest investment
If used as intended squad support it’s the highest investment

[lofty lintel]

I just use surgical on revolver

[terse idol]

Even though squad support suuucks

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s true
Yk what’s better tho
Grabbing both -0.25s stamina regen delay nodes

[bitter turtle]

ya ig I can see that

[crude ermine]

Same but I forget it's there tbh

[tulip zenith]

Ill give u a pass cuz at least I know you're not running gold tag

[lofty lintel]

Yeah because youre right

[swift ingot]

I like getting swarmed by ragers and just calmly tagging one at a time and picking them off, it’s oddly relaxing

[lofty lintel]

Deadshot with focus target is amazing

[tall torrent]

Getting both stamina regen delay nodes while running 3x +12% stamina regen

Is what the god emperor intended for humanity

[lofty lintel]

Lool

[tiny summit]

Recommend getting eyes checked

[swift ingot]

I can only grab one

[lofty lintel]

I use deadshot until the gun i wanna use has surgical

Then byebye deadshot

[swift ingot]

I got 2 curios with +12 stam regen

[bitter turtle]

funy

[terse idol]

Gotta get that 3rd

[lofty lintel]

Nice

Yeah

Minmax.

[bitter turtle]

I almost always use deadshot+surgical on surgical guns

[lofty lintel]

Thats overkill imho

[bitter turtle]

nah

[lofty lintel]

Rather use the stamina for blocking shi

[bitter turtle]

i rarely hold surgical to max stacks

[lofty lintel]

I hold it to 3-4 stacks and its enough for a guaranteed crit

[swift ingot]

This has been me since part 2 came out

[lofty lintel]

Same

[swift ingot]

Mk10 Laspistol feels so good to use

[crude ermine]

Same

[lofty lintel]

My good laspistol is on zealot tho

[bitter turtle]

do you mean guaranteed as in "its probably going to crit" or guaranteed as in "I have 60% crit from other sources"

[crude ermine]

On the barely holding it

For max staxks

[lofty lintel]

Pretty much have 60 from other sources

[fading grove]

Why the fuck does the power sword special start up slow you that shit is dumb as hell

[bitter turtle]

well

i dont

😔

[lofty lintel]

Fair enough

[bitter turtle]

slide while powering it up]

learn to slide

slide op

[fading grove]

I know that

[bitter turtle]

doge boolet

[lofty lintel]

I mean honestly bro im not saying its bad if you have all the stamina stuff youre chillin

Enjoy the 100% crit chance at any given time

[teal abyss]

Still, actively forcing myself to play like a statue just to get use out of something instead of keeping head on a swivel and not losing chip health to repeated bruiser and poxwalker stragglers just automatically seems way worse than using Tag

[bitter turtle]

no

that's the thing

you're not supposed to play like that

losing 1 or 2 stack sis not a big deal

you should be landing headshots nonstop

and getting free movement and stacks constantly

you dont need to perpetually be at 10 stacks ALWAYS

[tall torrent]

The thing is
Playing semi-auto head clicking guns normally basically makes you a turret in the first place

[bitter turtle]

dropping to 8 or 9 is fine

[teal abyss]

I have one person telling me That if I can’t stay still there’s a problem and another saying you don’t even have to do that to use Focus lmao which is it

[swift ingot]

@bitter turtle how’s this look?

[tiny summit]

Sounds like a skill issue. I use helbore and click heads. I take camouflage to get a few stacks whenever I'm at a good firing position.

[south garnet]

You never stop moving with MF, you keep killing

[crude ermine]

The killing never ends

[bitter turtle]

what gun is this

[crude ermine]

Even in death

[tall torrent]

Essentially just get a few headshot kills and you get rewarded with better dmg

[swift ingot]

This beaut

[lofty lintel]

Yep

[bitter turtle]

y u ask me

[lofty lintel]

MANNN

[bitter turtle]

i dont play laspistol

[tiny summit]

Both.

[lofty lintel]

I need me a t4 dum dum

[cedar pecan]

Is this good enough to upgrade?

[bitter turtle]

gomen 😔

[lofty lintel]

Yes

[crude ermine]

Seems like it

[lofty lintel]

Go for it

[tiny summit]

Not our fault if you don't know how the talent plays out in actual gameplay

[lofty lintel]

Good luck

Headtaker brutal momentum

[swift ingot]

Would you believe me if I told you this was the first mkX I rolled the day part 2 rolled out?

[lofty lintel]

No

[south garnet]

The exception would be if you have the add stacks on standing still subnode, which even still you don't stand still outside of long windup periods like long hallways or open areas or in elevators/airlocks - this subnode mainly helps pad lulls in the action where you're still moving, but it's less vital for you to stay 100% sprinting/dodging/sliding/etc.

[tiny summit]

Looks good to me

[lofty lintel]

My best kantrael X is mediocre at best

[gusty grail]

https://youtu.be/MxSAAQNU_qU

[crude ermine]

I have such a good kantreal 12 lasgun or whatever but it's missing deadly accurate and I hate it

[lofty lintel]

And its on my zealot

[teal abyss]

That still just sounds worse than getting to choose exactly when I get bonus damage and like half a bar of toughness back just for head popping a Gunner with my Helbore

[swift ingot]

Yeah before this one I had been trying to get it for almost 5 months

[lofty lintel]

Slap dead accurate on it

[crude ermine]

I can't, I locked it

This was before I understood locking stuff

[bitter turtle]

you dont get to choose exactly when you got your bonus damage on tag keystone

[tiny summit]

You're using a helbore and whining about having the other keystone and a poxwalker coming up on you?

[lofty lintel]

Looking for t4 dumdum

[bitter turtle]

you have to wait

[lofty lintel]

This is my only laspistol10 that ive been using

[bitter turtle]

for the stacks

to build up

[cedar pecan]

not quite

[bitter turtle]

meanwhile MF you just maintain it constantly as long as you can aim

[cedar pecan]

but it doesn't seem horrible

[lofty lintel]

Ou

Nah

Its salvageable

[obsidian umbra]

which chainsword mk is better?

[lofty lintel]

Chill

[teal abyss]

Yes you do lmao? I play damnation and even 4-5 stacks is enough bonus damage and toughness refund to justify it and most of the time I’m applying the full 8, I don’t spam it like a dipshit

[lofty lintel]

Get brutal momentum

[crude ermine]

Brutal momentum is a must

[swift ingot]

@tall torrent so when I get the chance to get another Laspistol like this what would I replace infernus with? Ranking fire?

[bitter turtle]

ok suppose there are like 10 ragers coming at you

[cedar pecan]

Instead of Decapitator?

[lofty lintel]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

and you need 3 stacks to hit a oneshot breakpoint on v7 or something

you literally

physically

cannot spam it onto all of them

[lofty lintel]

Then change infested to flak/maniac

[bitter turtle]

meanwhile a MF user would just pop them all in the head

im not saying tag is bad

im saying there is a physical limitation with tag as well

[south garnet]

One benefit to center keystone is that it incentivizes teammates more readily to actually address your tag, which is a soft gameplay benefit but a benefit nonetheless

[teal abyss]

With my Mk3 Helbore even tagging a rager immediately after tagging another with only like 1-2 stacks makes him take enough bonus damage that a surgical crit still one shots, more than enough for me

[bitter turtle]

the entire mechanic involves waiting until you gain stacks

[swift ingot]

Comes down to preference, I personally like the Mk4 Chainsword(the og chainsword)

[cedar pecan]

alright, thanks

[bitter turtle]

this is hypothetical

[lofty lintel]

Ofc

Good luck

[bitter turtle]

im not saying you need stacks at all to pop a rager

fine

say crusher instead idgaf

point is

the entire mechanic involves waiting for stacks in the first place

there is a physical limitation

MF can be maintained just by shooting heads

they both have limitations built into them in the first place

[obsidian umbra]

what differentiates them? move set?

[lofty lintel]

@cedar pecan also remember to not worry too much about the tier of brutal momentum you want the blessing for the ignore mass on weakspot hit, although the weakspot dmg boost is nice of course

[south garnet]

Center keystone isn't even an ability primarily about killing despite peoples understandable focus on that, it's almost a support ability

[bitter turtle]

idk about your hb3 but i actually do need a little bonus dmg from the keystones to oneshot ragers on v7

[tiny summit]

Congrats you do you too man. People are gonna prefer different things, we just telling you a different keystone from preference isn't dogwater and is in fact a good option

[bitter turtle]

needing to tag 10 ragers coming at me individually

even if 1 or 2 tags gives enough dmg

is way slower

than just clicking on all their heads in a row

[cedar pecan]

Oh so I can use a lower tier too

[tall torrent]

The new mk13g chainsword is what happens when you take away everything that made the mk4 chainsword tolerable and try to make a pseudo-chainaxe that does neither horde clear nor single target anti-armor well

[teal abyss]

Yeah but YOURE missing the fact that no one with a brain is trying to apply it to every single enemy, it gives like 50-70% of your toughness bar back if you wait for the full 8 and if you can’t wait like 10 seconds for that I don’t know what to tell ya, work on the patience? Lol

[lofty lintel]

Yeee

[tiny summit]

Had a game of my friend asking "oh god that is a lot of rager" seeing my kill feed

[bitter turtle]

but what if you do need it on multiple enemies incoming 🤔

that's literally my point

my v7

literally needs a dmg bonus

to oneshot rager

so in such a case

you can see how MF is better no?

im not saying tag is bad

they both have use cases

[lofty lintel]

Whats the argument

Oh

[tall torrent]

I think for helbore lasguns, tag is better
But for infantry lasgun (at least MG12), turret is better

[tiny summit]

I can also just restore toughness with CK and ET

[teal abyss]

And you completely ignored me saying that even one stack on a rager is enough to hit me over the one shot threshold for some reason?

[tall torrent]

I pick keystones based on my own use cases

[bitter turtle]

because the rager part was literally just a hypothetical as i said

[teal abyss]

Rager swarms are the only real thing to be worried about, if you’re worried about others that’s a different skill issue

[bitter turtle]

remember i said forget if its a rager, then crusher swarm, whatever

[lofty lintel]

Never used tag on helbore, how is it better than MF?

[bitter turtle]

idgaf

the point is not the enemy and weapon matchup

its the difference in performance of the keystones

and what they are meant to do

the point is

[quasi socket]

i enjoy playing the game

[bitter turtle]

if you have multiple enemies incoming you need a dmg bonus on

[teal abyss]

Hb3 with surgical two shots crushers as long as one shot hits a crit with surgical so again not that bad lol

[crude ermine]

As do I

[bitter turtle]

dude

the exact enemy and weapon matchup is not my point lol

[swift ingot]

This is the mkXIIIg’s moveset, the mk4s light chain is strikedown, vangaurd, vanguard, strikedown and it’s heavies are both diagonal vanguard

[tall torrent]

Helbore can reach some breakpoints with tag easily (because it’s constant +4~8% dmg in actual combat), like helbore2 doesn’t need the 15% elite node to be able to one tap Dreg gunners as long as you have unarmored

[lofty lintel]

I used to think vt2 was the most fun ive had in a game until i played darktide

[bitter turtle]

again

[tall torrent]

Helbore1 can one tap both flamers in the head without crits with tag applied

[lofty lintel]

Ah makes sense, same applies for helbore 1?

Op

[bitter turtle]

if you need an actual example because you cannot visualize what im saying then

[lofty lintel]

U answered my question

Ima try it

[bitter turtle]

i do need around 6 stacks of MF for v7 to oneshot ragers

[lofty lintel]

Sounds good

[tall torrent]

This is at like 14m btw, and u need maniac perk

[bitter turtle]

what would i rather run

MF or tag lol

[crude ermine]

God I need to try the helbore again

[teal abyss]

I’m just telling you my experience, not a single time have I been “OMG I DONT HAVE STACKS READY IM DEAD NOW” or even been like “damn I wish I had flat bonus damage rn to deal with this rager swarm” that you apparently get with focus so tag is more than good for me, I’m trying to convince you that it’s not completely useless just because ADHD folks can’t bear not having stacks to apply every time they tag😂

[bitter turtle]

yes

[tall torrent]

HB having <100% dmg up close messes with breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

and not a single time have i been "omg i must turret" for MF

[tall torrent]

But u can one tap stuff

[bitter turtle]

im not talking about personal experience lol

again, if you need a real example to visualize it, my v7 needs 6 stacks of MF to oneshot a rager

[tall torrent]

Also @lofty lintel helbore2 with tag keystone (2 stacks), 30% weakpoint, and both 5% ranged dmg modes on left tree can one tap both flamers in the head if crit

[bitter turtle]

obv MF is a much better choice for rapidly taking out targets for me than tag

[teal abyss]

You literally started this by saying YOURE too impatient to use tag how it’s supposed to be used so you literally are lmao

[tall torrent]

Which sounds niche but really isn’t due to surgical

[bitter turtle]

i was shitposting bruh

[lofty lintel]

I see

Thanks a lot for the info

[bitter turtle]

didnt even say it was bad in the first place lul

[lofty lintel]

Im gonna try it

[bitter turtle]

just that im not a fan of it

[tall torrent]

I think it needs weakpoint/specialist/maniac

Any of the 3 will suffice

[swift ingot]

@obsidian umbra basically, the mk4 is better for mixed hordes and is fairly average at killing elites, while the mkXIIIg is better for straight trash hordes and is much better at dealing with elites

[lofty lintel]

I have maniac on it

[tall torrent]

Alr ur good

[lofty lintel]

Ty

[tall torrent]

Haven’t checked mk3 breakpoints personally

[lofty lintel]

Its fine i dont use the mk3

Feels too slow for my pace

Even with onslaught

[tall torrent]

If they’re not gonna change HB3’s bayonet moveset they should just buff the dmg on it tremendously

[bitter turtle]

that bayonet is just sadge

[lofty lintel]

Yeah the bayonet is weird

[swift ingot]

Which chainsword do y’all prefer? I’ve tried the mk13 but I still very much prefer the mk4

[tall torrent]

Have it 2 hit crushers or smth

[lofty lintel]

I dont fw it

[lofty lintel]

I use both

[tall torrent]

The new mk13g chainsword is what happens when you take away everything that made the mk4 chainsword tolerable and try to make a pseudo-chainaxe that does neither horde clear nor single target anti-armor well

That’s my opinion

[lofty lintel]

But im more comfortable with mk4

[tall torrent]

Moveset is goofy and it doesn’t do anti-elite nearly as good as chainaxe

[swift ingot]

I’m much more comfortable with the mk4 as well

[lofty lintel]

I tried the mk13 and felt like it was fine

[swift ingot]

Yeah I thought it felt off in some way

[lofty lintel]

I performed better with the mk4 but i assumed that was due to my personal skill

[tall torrent]

Mk4 I just tolerate (I do think it’s the best melee weapon for beginner vets due to how easy it is to play with & roll for)

[lofty lintel]

And being used to mk4

[swift ingot]

Literally the only reason I run chainsword is because I larp as a Commissar and I’m too deep into the bit to quit

[bitter turtle]

how do you larp in a game

its literally supposed to be live action

jk

[south garnet]

i need them to make chainsword great again so I can use the skin I bought in the shop for it for no good reason

[swift ingot]

I’m interested to see what the heavy chainsword has in store

[south garnet]

and to those about to say "chainsword works just fine brother" well so does my ASS but I don't use it to deal with auric maelstroms!

:^)

[tall torrent]

Chainsword’s anti-elite power is so much worse than chainaxes rn it’s sad

[analog blaze]

Chain weapon kings and queens unite

[bitter turtle]

its still weird

to hear ppl speak positively about chaxe

[tall torrent]

Ur basically screwed against mass maulers & crushers

[swift ingot]

Yeah lately I’ve really come around on the chainaxe

[bitter turtle]

im so used to thinking of it as a complete meme

[swift ingot]

Both of them

[crude hazel]

is there a Vet guide like there is for Ogryn in steam community? couldn't spot it on pinned if there is one 🙂

[south garnet]

yea I'll run both chaxes but I struggle to find any compelling reason to bring a CS

[lofty lintel]

Mk12 chainaxe is horrible

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately no (too many tryhards to reach even a consensus besides what’s “the best picks”)

[analog blaze]

Is that the new or old one?

[lofty lintel]

Its super single target and when you need to do anything that isnt one tapping crushers it feels terrible

[lofty lintel]

New

[swift ingot]

Mk12 is what I beat the twins on hard with so I have a special appreciation for it

[tall torrent]

Try the light atk + push atk combo

Not bad to ragers without rev

[lofty lintel]

Hm

[crude hazel]

ahhh damn - ok, thank you! Was just looking for a general one, leveling my Vet up at the moment.

[swift ingot]

Mk12 push attack is underrated

I love all stab push attacks

[lofty lintel]

Honestly bro slap 10% exp on your curios dont spend a single penny and thats all

Good luck

[south garnet]

No. There's no guide like that for any class but Ogryn - this is mostly due to the fact that the other 3 classes share a good deal of weapons which get drastic balance updates frequently (relative to ogryn) as well as talent tweaks to try to get everything to gel together properly (so one weapon doesn't break completely with one class' talents, blessings don't overpower niches, etc.).
In contrast, Ogryn has a unique set of weapons and limited blessings which only have to work with their specific talent tree, making it much easier to balance and make minor tweaks to - thus making a guide easier to build, because it won't be completely invalidated in a single patch, only require minor updates

[lofty lintel]

Left tree is more ranged oriented middle tree more "support" oriented snd right tree is full melee

[tall torrent]

The easiest weapons to roll for & use on vet imo:

Melee:
Mk4 Chainsword

Ranged:
Mk2 revolver (needs hand-cannon)
Infantry autoguns (need dum dum)

[south garnet]

There won't BE any guide like that for other classes until things settle down and a dedicated writer or three sit down and make one

[lofty lintel]

Yeah i actually loved leveling with the chainsword

[swift ingot]

And also Ogryn’s are the only ones who can come to a consensus about stuff

[south garnet]

But balance has to largely shake out in order for that to be possible

[tall torrent]

Vet chat is either “this thing sucks”, “that thing is OP”, or “why are gunpsykers just better than us in every way part 1000”

[swift ingot]

Shout out to my pals Hank and Fireant

[lofty lintel]

I think the only valid guide there could be is one teaching the basics of what each vet tree does, some key talents, gimmicks and the rest is up to you

[swift ingot]

Or complaining about gunlugger and the kickback

[tiny summit]

Too much numbers. Not enough heretic shooting. Be like the gun psykers sucking on warp crayons

[lofty lintel]

Theres so many ways you can play as veteran or any other class that all they can really do is give you the tools to tinker with ur build until youve created something ur comfortable with

And that works

[bitter turtle]

plasma is p easy to roll for something usable too

[tall torrent]

Also vet is the highest skill floor (barrier of entry) class in the game even though he looks the simplest out of the 4

[south garnet]

I expect guides to be feasible once FS has had a chance to collate information and do some analysis post-patch 13 (which they have likely been doing, but chances are little material effort have been put into the framework of such changes as they were in the run up to the two-part Traitor update)

[lofty lintel]

Kinda

[south garnet]

And make patches/tweaks accordingly

[lofty lintel]

I think melee vet is where you really see the skill floor

[tall torrent]

Plasma gets into the wacky breakpoint stuff and then it becomes peak suffering trying to get one that hits all the one taps

[tiny summit]

I don't feel that way. Shootin and shoutin pretty simple

[lofty lintel]

Hes pretty easy to use outside of that

[crude hazel]

Appreciate the pointers, thanks all 🙂

[lofty lintel]

Good luck dude

[left comet]

how good is this roll?

[south garnet]

All that being said, the advice you can find on steam for psykers and in this discord for zealots is pretty reliable, despite some of it being outdated

[lofty lintel]

Bad

[tall torrent]

Pretty much
On Overwatch penance is just an over glorified tutorial for “how to play vet and not kiss the floor every 3 minutes in higher difficulties”

[south garnet]

For vets you have to make something up and then fight other people about it

[tiny summit]

Eh. It will serve you well until you have something better

[south garnet]

And make a decision you know is probably wrong but then insist it's actually right

then tell everyone about it

[sly orchid]

30% weakspot damage talent is goated

That is all

[lofty lintel]

I agree its like the rite of passage to play veteran on higher difficulties

[south garnet]

No disagreement on that even a little bit, I don't think there's a single build I haven't taken it on

[sly orchid]

Especialy good on melee vet

Also take field improvisation

[tiny summit]

When I actually went for it, was actually surprised at how easy it was when you put effort in avoiding dmg

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

All about focus and awareness

[tall torrent]

Barely usable

Would harvest once u get better rolls

[tiny summit]

Kinda harsh. That would depend on what they have as options.

[bitter turtle]

really bad

[bitter turtle]

it is harsh because it is terrible

that's 4/4 bad rolls

[lofty lintel]

Yeah thats a 🧱

[tall torrent]

Headhunter autoguns really don’t want falter + no respite because you never want to hard-stagger enemies with headshots as it causes them to move their heads so u can’t hit high dmg headshots

[bitter turtle]

even the gun stats are bad

low stopping power

[tiny summit]

Terrible for what the majority of this chat are looking for. For someone with limited options it's definitely not. Too much hyperbole over rolls

[lofty lintel]

Headhunter surgical iirc

[tall torrent]

Vraks3 specifically wants headhunter + deadly accurate

[bitter turtle]

i mean im assuming they are asking bc they want a gun that is good

[tall torrent]

Vraks3 is also one of the hardest guns to roll for

[bitter turtle]

if they didnt care about having bad roll/blessing/stats then they would just use it

[left comet]

I got it as a misson reward

[lofty lintel]

No biggie then sell and move on

[left comet]

the stats and blessings seemed ok

[tall torrent]

Oh that’s fine, u can harvest no respite 4

[terse idol]

Don't dump SP

Or well

Its good

[lofty lintel]

Stopping power is very important

[terse idol]

🥹

[lofty lintel]

Its your dmg against armor

[bitter turtle]

you want high dmg and stopping power

[lofty lintel]

Gotta have it high

[tiny summit]

I'm speaking as telling some who seems to not be as invested as y'all. The 55% stopping power was a give away. It's an OK gun but OBVIOUSLY we know they can do better

[left comet]

I was going to go back to the IIa quickdraw

[lofty lintel]

55 stop power is very low though even for casual standards

[left comet]

but I also don't know what stats I need

[lofty lintel]

You gonna feel the dmg against armor

[tall torrent]

Damage
Stopping power
Stability

Top 3 most important stats on headhunter autoguns

[crude ermine]

I'd reckon something over 65 or above would be from average to good enough

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

For sure

[bitter turtle]

how is v3's ammo efficiency

i know i'd consdier ammo a dump on v7

but idk about v3

[tiny summit]

Yea. The gun is OK. But you can do better and be able to harvest the lvl 4 blessing on it when you do get something better. It can serve you well if you want to use it before getting something better

[tall torrent]

It’s usually 2 bursts to kill gunners & flamers

[terse idol]

Basically, out of 5 stats you usually dump Mobility

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

[terse idol]

You can sacrifice abit of ammo but it can hurt

[tall torrent]

But I basically never treat vraks3 as a precision sniper weapon

It’s basically infantry autogun burst edition

[lofty lintel]

Ammo can be on the lower end but not too low

Vets ammo efficiency is insane

[tiny summit]

Correct. If the lowest stat is 65 it's perfectly serviceable. May not be your god roll but hey gotta deal with what rng gives ya

[crude ermine]

Kinda glad mobility is in the ranged weapons so you won't have to think at all about what to dump

[lofty lintel]

True

Im very flexible with my guns stats

[tall torrent]

You still want >50% mobility for ur weapons

For max dodge count

[lofty lintel]

Except the big 3

Damage stability and stop power

If those aint high im not taking it

[tall torrent]

Stability can be a dump on some weapons

Like helbore

[tiny summit]

If they are asking about a sub 370 gun with sub 60% in stopping power, gut tells me they are nowhere near your playtime and investment to consider it dogwater. It'll work fine

[hollow ibex]

I NEED my shotgun stability

[lofty lintel]

I mean even besides the low stop power it has 1 dead perk and 2 subpar blessings

But its useable ig youre right about the fact that our standards are different from the newer people playing the game

I could never accept 55 stopping power now but i wouldve rocked it in march

[tiny summit]

This discord rates weapon rolls like an fgc thread calling a mid tier character unplayable vs the upper tiers.

[forest blaze]

bolter moment

[tiny summit]

That's my point. Tell em it can do better, its unoptimal. But if nothing else the weapon is just that "fine"

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

I agree

[tall torrent]

“Impressive. Let’s see Paul Allen’s plasma gun roll.”

[lofty lintel]

LMFAO

[terse idol]

Always dump stability 😌

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-american-psycho-business-card-gif-25561759

[forest blaze]

The fact that melk can even offer guns <500 or have rolls with T2 blessings is insulting

[idle swallow]

he just bein a lil prankster when wasting a whole day of potential gun rolls

[crude ermine]

He's been looking through the back alley

Sometimes you'll get treasure

Other times, well there's a reason why it's called one man's trash

[lofty lintel]

melk has been terrible for the past 4 days

[hollow ibex]

Meanwhile brunt giving me 10 300 weapons in a row on a max level character. Why is this even a thing.

[lofty lintel]

yup

[bitter turtle]

idk i still wouldnt tell them to use that one lol

[lofty lintel]

the crafting is questionable

[bitter turtle]

im not saying gun rolls hav eto be perfect

but the stats are bad, the blessings are bad, the perks are bad

just use what you were using before at that point

[forest blaze]

for fuckin real

[swift ingot]

Sometimes brunt gives me low rolls that are low in the dump stats and 70-80 in all the main stats, those weapons always end up being good

[forest blaze]

I'm not asking for a perfect weapon through the RNG slot machine.

Just give me stuff that's minimum 350 base and that doesn't have T2 blessings. That's it

I'd take an ok roll with T3 blessings to try out a new bolter or lasgun

[lofty lintel]

my zarona revolver has 39 mobility and 80 in everything else

[hollow ibex]

Exactly, unless the blessing is capped at t2

[lofty lintel]

i use it proudly and im not ashamed of it

[bitter turtle]

like i dont chase 370+s ether lol

but im not gonna tell someone a gun with literally no redeeming thing on it is "usable" either

its usable like a grey is usable in AM

[serene sage]

If they are low on resources when why would you tell them to invest in a bad gun to begin with

[forest blaze]

100% agree. Some weapons are better for that than other's though... but by and large, as long as the good stats are in the 70's and your perks/blessings aren't terrible then it's fine

[bitter turtle]

ya but we're talking about this gun

[tall torrent]

Melk’s garage sale

[swift ingot]

My best example of this Is my precious Mk2 Ripper on my Ogryn that I still use to this day

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[forest blaze]

Melk literally mugging people

[tiny summit]

Did I tell them to invest into an already orange weapon? I said it was fine to use.

[lofty lintel]

REAL

[bitter turtle]

they asked if it was a good roll

[forest blaze]

Yah. Stopping power is low but it should be fine. Just don't shoot anyone with armor

[lofty lintel]

i treat my dump stats like real dumpstats

[bitter turtle]

im not going to say its a good you know?

[lofty lintel]

i could have 30 mobility and i wont gaf

[bitter turtle]

its just genuinely not

yes you can use it

you can use greys in AM even

but to the question

their question

"is it a good roll"

no its not

[forest blaze]

My chainaxe isn't great but I used to fight them hardmode twins and did fine

[bitter turtle]

ya

i used a 500 plasma lol

pretty bad one

[forest blaze]

dude

plasma is so cracked against hardmode twins

you just gotta position to hit both shields

[bitter turtle]

i didnt even watn to use it 😔

[serene sage]

Then don't

Plasma is overused

[forest blaze]

Listen

[bitter turtle]

they begged

[forest blaze]

I was a plasma stan before plasma was cool

[bitter turtle]

ok beg is overstating it

[forest blaze]

I've had my plasma roll since launch

[serene sage]

Who?

[bitter turtle]

the other vet strongly wanted me to switch with him

lol

i was using IAG

he was like "oh but my plasm ais bad" (520 plasma) and my IAG is better than yours (literall;y it was my 531 vs his 534)"

he was eating the floor every fight so i just humored him

[serene sage]

well fuck your teammates

[bitter turtle]

i just wanted the clear 😔

[serene sage]

well ain't touching that mode again

[forest blaze]

Hard mode twins I've found almost doesn't matter what you bring if you're bad. More so than AM

[serene sage]

that's fo sizzle

[bitter turtle]

i might

it was fun

[serene sage]

no it wasn't :<

[bitter turtle]

ok it was fun for me becaus ei got it done in 3 runs

maybe less so if i was throwing myself at it for a weekend

[forest blaze]

I had a lot more runs than 3

but I did get it done in one night

in like 2ish hours

[bitter turtle]

the zealot on the team was carrying hard with stealthmeme

i had more elite kills but they kept 1 boss occupied

and did a lot of chaff killing

[serene sage]

probably closer to 3 for me, but some of that time was used unlocking the bell to begin with

[forest blaze]

Dude that was me. I was soloing the melee fucker while they focused plas pistol fucker.

[bitter turtle]

lol yeah

every run was down to us 2 lol but im not god enough to handle mauler swarm while rinda was nothin personelling me

[forest blaze]

We did amazingly well on our last run. All 4 of us made it to the end.

2 zealots 2 vets

[bitter turtle]

finally we got a run where nobody went down (until one of the twins died, then someone died) but the rest of us 3 handled it easily w/ only one boss

[forest blaze]

The last run was straight up an "in the zone" run where everything ran like clockwork

[slow spade]

Oh? A good run you say? Brb only xbox players from now on

[forest blaze]

nononononononono

[slow spade]

They will be Krieg cosplayers with Helbores

[serene sage]

it's getting hard telling who is xb and who is not on loadout selection now

[forest blaze]

What I learned from doing hard mode was that if you queue with a psyker you'll lose

[serene sage]

everyone has the 3 seals insignia and some even managed the skull frame

somehow xboxers are still the worst performing people

generally

[forest blaze]

i don't blame them too much

[idle swallow]

Phil Spencer will remember that

[serene sage]

yeah. they are admittedly getting a lot better though

[slow spade]

We need to convince all the Auric players to use the "500 special conditions" badge UwU

[forest blaze]

I don't have that one tbh

[serene sage]

which one is that

im waiting on my 1000 revive portrait

im at nearly 900

[teal abyss]

I’m grinding the Kill mission frame rn that one looks the best

[slow spade]

Shit player detected

[forest blaze]

I use the Hard Mode insig though, which is I feel is badge enough

[slow spade]

The one with the cool green border

[bitter turtle]

but what if you just got your body dragged across the finish line

[serene sage]

oh that's ew

I hate it

[slow spade]

Blocked for disagreeing

[serene sage]

I like the 1000 revive one

and the assassination

[forest blaze]

I can confidently say that there is almost no way that a blueberry could get carried across in hard mode

[serene sage]

honestly 90% of the potraits are so trash

[slow spade]

Indeed

[upbeat notch]

Is it possible to kite as a vet in orthus hard mode? I beginning to think you cant, like with maulers and ragers on me and rinda it feels like you cant really do anything but back dodge and slide

[crude ermine]

I just use whatever

[forest blaze]

Yes actually

both movespeed talents and take a weapon with high mobility

take infiltrate

[serene sage]

backdodge, grenade, block push (depending on weapon)

[bitter turtle]

you can stay alive pretty long just doing that yeah

[forest blaze]

definitely take the talent with faster revive and movespeed towards downed teammates

[serene sage]

also yeah no need for survivalist at all

[bitter turtle]

even with a lower mobility weapon

[serene sage]

take fire team or movement speed

[upbeat notch]

I can stay alive i just cant retaliate as easily

[bitter turtle]

just dont get cornered

ya well

[forest blaze]

movement speed on orthus hard mode is actually goat'd

[upbeat notch]

Every time i try i get stunlocked by the ragers

[bitter turtle]

that's when the other 3ppl on your team hav eto do something

if all the elites and a boss are on you

you can chuck a nade

that usually helps

lul

[forest blaze]

Listen. Listen. Listen.
With both MS talents and a good mobility weapon you can sprint through the grenades to trigger them.

[upbeat notch]

Yea i think im looking at this through zealot lens i should focus on move speed

Currently running VoC build

[forest blaze]

Move speed stacking for zealot in orthus hard mode is goat'd

VOC is really good but I switched to infiltrate in OHM and it was pog'af

[serene sage]

If I have a problem, I throw a Molotov at it.
Remember, if you have a problem, you have a problem.
If you have two problems, well, now you have an option.

[forest blaze]

Also. I opted for krak grenades for the crushers/mauler spawns

[merry glade]

why emperor give this to my psyker

[bitter turtle]

time to gunpsyker

[forest blaze]

looks like a scryers gaze gun

[serene sage]

he's telling you something
up to you to listen

[forest blaze]

time to gat some fools

[upbeat notch]

Just to be sure, how are you guys kiting like specifically? My best attempt was basically push block dodge back to create space to slide away, it doesnt seem like you can kite chain side dodges like in vermintide 2

[merry glade]

🔫🧙‍♂️

[serene sage]

for hard mode specifically?

[serene sage]

I cast gun go hard

[forest blaze]

with high movespeed you can outrun basically everything as long as you don't get shot by the plasma bitch

[upbeat notch]

Since both stamina drains when pushing and running its hard to juggle offensive and defensive it feels like you have tk choose when to run and kit and when to try to get picks

[upbeat notch]

Yes

[serene sage]

oh just the usual, I breakl down and cry

[forest blaze]

stamina regen speed on curios and get at least 1 of the stamina regen delay talents

[bitter turtle]

ya

stam regen is really good

i run x3 on my curios regardless

[upbeat notch]

Haha

[forest blaze]

yah

it's almost required

[bitter turtle]

even on non-deadshots

deadshot i include a +3 stam while im at it

[forest blaze]

I use +3 stam with it too

hahahahaha

[bitter turtle]

lul

[forest blaze]

so much speed and so much stamina

[upbeat notch]

What do you do when she targets you as vet, that happens a lot and its hard to dodge since she shoots so fast

[bitter turtle]

ya its definitlely not bad just as its own thing

plasma one is the dude

not the grill

😔

[forest blaze]

What worked for me was to talk with your team to have one person focus on the melee and the rest focus on the elites/specials and the ranged fucker.

The player focusing the melee person ONLY needs to pop their shield but they almost can't do that and survive if they get shot by the plasma dude

[gusty grail]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ae34e77-0460-4ea9-85c6-f1586b4b1c6b/easy-build-for-auric-damnation

[forest blaze]

If you get shot by the plasma in hard mode while trying to fight the melee dude you'll likely die or lose a ton of health

[gusty grail]

I finished the build + video

That the guy was asking for yesterday

[forest blaze]

With this, the melee dude will change aggro for seemingly no reason. Get on the same page with your team so that only ONE person is fighting the melee guy while the rest focus the ranged person.

[upbeat notch]

Hmm good strategy ill try it out thanks for the advice

[forest blaze]

For sure

It worked perfectly as long as while fighting the melee bitch, they don't get mobbed by the rager/crusher/mauler spawns.

So, I'd recommend having the best melee player do that fight

[serene sage]

that's ms.rinda for you

[forest blaze]

yah fuck her

[serene sage]

I agree

[forest blaze]

melee bitch and plasma fucker

[bitter turtle]

Do you think she will date me if I can 1v1 her with melee

👉 👈

[forest blaze]

Listen. Whatever I need to do to get that sword I'm game

FS please

[bitter turtle]

Lol

[serene sage]

aren't you like, married?

[bitter turtle]

Yes

But I'm married to a guy

The other option is still open

[forest blaze]

Yah seems fine

[serene sage]

so true

[bitter turtle]

[forest blaze]

I'm married but I'd let melee bitch step on me for sure

[bitter turtle]

I find it funny

If you kill the rinda first

[serene sage]

damn I need a gf or something

[bitter turtle]

Her brother is like

You'll pay for that

But if you kill him first

Rinda is like

You were always weak bro

[forest blaze]

which one is rinda?

lmfao

[bitter turtle]

The grill

[serene sage]

rinda is the grill

[forest blaze]

With sword?

[bitter turtle]

Ya

Her brother is plasmaman

[forest blaze]

that's great

Luckily, in hard mode you'll be killing the plasma fucker first like 99% of the time

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[obtuse raft]

Most loyal chaos worshipper.

[serene sage]

this feels like the twins from Borderlands 3

[hard cave]

skitari mains when you find programmer socks

[forest blaze]

Pippi Longstockings socks

[crude ermine]

Except at least the girl is actually likeable

[forest blaze]

B3 the twins had that mega cringe influencer attitude that made it satisfying to fuckin shoot them

[crude ermine]

Troy was my fav, shame they ruined his potential

[serene sage]

thank god we don't have an Ava equivalance in this game

[forest blaze]

oh lord

[crude ermine]

I would've joined chaos if she were apart of the ship

In a heartbeat

[forest blaze]

The problem with the ogryn players though is that they share brain cells with the zealots

A single ogryn or zealot is fine but if your party is mostly og/zealot you'll have intelligence problems

lmfao

[crude ermine]

Then you have an entire team of pyskers which is a 50/50

[forest blaze]

I'm confident to say that if there's a psyker in your orthus hard mode lobby you should dodge

[crude ermine]

Yeah we had one but we barely got through it

[serene sage]

gunker can melt shield though

[forest blaze]

yah but I've literally never seen a gunker

[obtuse raft]

Ogryn is great, when I fuck up and do something stupid I can just claim RP

[forest blaze]

impossible kek

[gilded wraith]

Is onslaught still weird with shredder grenades? (only working on 1 enemy)

[forest blaze]

we did 2 zealots 2 veterans (me on vet) and I solo'd melee bitch while the other 3 targeted plasma fucker. It worked great.

[gilded wraith]

Crab had a video, but I can't find it

[bitter turtle]

iut doesnt work period anymore

all bleed/fire ticks no longer proc it

and yes

[gusty grail]

I thought they removed it working on any dot. Works with guns though

[bitter turtle]

bug before was it worked but only if 1 person was bleeding

oh really

that's cool*

[forest blaze]

but the bleed doesn't proc onslaught, right?

[wanton dawn]

Onslaught needed to be nerfed on dot proc ?

[gilded wraith]

ouch, does rending strikes till work with dots?

[bitter turtle]

no clue on that one

[gilded wraith]

I'll see if I can science it.

[bitter turtle]

supposedly it was working b4 only if you hit 1 person with the nade

bleeds

at least acccording to someone who told me i was wrong saying it worked in general

i only ever tested on 1 target so i took their word for it

[gusty grail]

It works on all your damage

[gilded wraith]

Gonna drive myself crazy trying to make a dot build work.

[bitter turtle]

and its supposedly been fixed anyway now

[forest blaze]

Chainaxe 12. Thunderous. Bloodletter.

[gusty grail]

Use shovel to get uncanny strikes

[forest blaze]

They will be brittle'd and bleeding to death

[gilded wraith]

Uncanny Strikes is a myth. Brunt told me so.

Then he gave me the bird.

[gusty grail]

It worked on Psyker it will work on vet nade

[gilded wraith]

Sadly the blessing is annoyingly elusive.

[gusty grail]

I'd say over all it's not worth pursuing

Just throw your three frags at softer targets (gunners, ragers) then keep using whatever anti armor weapon (or fast firing gun with Onslaught) at crusher

[gilded wraith]

Yeah, trying to work this into a build on Vet and not sure if it's practical for what it takes to make it work

[gusty grail]

I just made a build for doing just that by the way

It's not practical

[bitter turtle]

run an anti-carapace melee

fire rounds are good at mixed horde clearing