veteran-class

[serene sage]

at least people here have some idea of what they are saying and are splitting hair

[raw steppe]

like how can you say incorrect shit so confidently, it's insane lol

and when you suggest that to other people

who are asking for help

it's just inane

i've explained why unarmored is bad

[serene sage]

bro relax

[midnight totem]

Plasma gun is very very nice. Vraks 3 headhunter and the lasgun mk12 are more my usual playstyles though

[vivid bolt]

So

[serene sage]

you're gonna have an aneurysm

[vivid bolt]

What I seeing

Is

A lot of malding

About

The top like

[safe dawn]

Because he believed it?
Most people don't spread incorrect information because they think it's funny, they spread it because they think it's correct

[vivid bolt]

4 perk selections being recommended???

[raw steppe]

there's nothing wrong with thinking incorrect information is correct

the problem is when you're presented with why the information is incorrect

[vivid bolt]

Like unarmored, flak, maniac and unyielding are the top 4 perks in terms of use

[raw steppe]

yet they still illogically hold onto that

[midnight totem]

I also really like the agrppina shotgun

[vivid bolt]

So it’s not absurd for someone to find unarmored an effective perk

[raw steppe]

because of their pride

or ego

idk

[tall torrent]

Btw I double checked with the stuff u sent and changed my build thx

[raw steppe]

whatever it is

[midnight totem]

But my current one has a sub 50 damage roll. Feelsbad

[serene sage]

I mean if their build wants extra points so you don't have to take long shot or even killzone then it's fine to take unarmoured?

[vivid bolt]

Like do yall not know that stuff other than what you use can work?

[raw steppe]

what did I send again?

[serene sage]

like most people won't have that problem but not like unarmoured is completely useless

[terse idol]

Hold on

Not easily

Because you can 45 damage off the breakpoint

[serene sage]

you need help from long shot at the minimum

[terse idol]

Yes but

[serene sage]

which admittedly is easy to get

[tall torrent]

Plasma unarmored stuff
I also checked for unyielding and maniac and maybe it’s a dmg% & SP% roll issue but I already hit crit flamer bodyshot without maniac, and bulwark & reaper 2 shot

[terse idol]

Ideally you want to be able to one shot them at ranges where long range doesn't apply

[raw steppe]

there's 2 ways IMO to do it

without wasting your perk slot

[terse idol]

At least that's my philospohy

[serene sage]

in theory sure, but 10m is quite short, if im below 10m I would seriously consider swapping to melee or repositioning

[terse idol]

Yeah

I mean 10m and it already gives you the 15%?

[raw steppe]

longshot + marksman keystone
longshot + tag keystone
longshot + elites as a perk (this works on gunners, crushers, bulwarks, etc)
longshot + blaze-away (this is slightly less consistent)

it's easier to layer those on

for more consistent oneshots

but there's almost no reason to take unarmored

[forest scaffold]

this is the tree you have to use to not need unarmored

[raw steppe]

take elites instead

[terse idol]

I gotta bring my pgun in the psykarnaeium again
My issue being I have bad Pguns but even then I watched someone test with 80 damage and 80 SP, and they still couldn't meet the breakpoint without the push

[forest scaffold]

You can sack the top left talent for ping keystone

[rigid schooner]

how do the braced autoguns stack up? i've been using a Graia that i've gotten on a drop and it's quite nice, since i almost always fire them braced
though i was told that graia is the worst one, and the agrippinna is the one to go with. i tried rolling a few and tested it in the psychanium, but wasn't all that impressed, for a bullet spray type gun i feel like slow heavy hitters end up missing most shots

[terse idol]

Even if a small one

[forest scaffold]

if you have I dunno

2 stacks up

but this is a fucked tree

and I hate everything about it

[terse idol]

Imo you want to one shot without ping

Because you have more important things to ping

Rather than pinging 1 of 5 gunners

[forest scaffold]

So yes

[terse idol]

To gurantee you meet the breakpoint

[forest scaffold]

the tree CAN get you the oneshot

but it obliterates your tree

[raw steppe]

I actually tested with ping build

it's actually not bad

[forest scaffold]

and makes you do really weird decisions

[raw steppe]

cuz once you have ping buff

[forest scaffold]

that I would argue aren't amazing

[raw steppe]

you dont need to keep pinging

ping buff gives you the breakpoint i think

[forest scaffold]

You're just making a decision on the perk between:

Carapace, Specialists, Unarmored, Unyielding

[tall torrent]

If u ping, kill, repeat, you get refunded 2 stacks of tag so that’s +8% dmg to every enemy u ping

Factor that in

[forest scaffold]

with maniac being wanted 100% of the time

[raw steppe]

so you nab the ping buff, and now you're gucci

[vivid bolt]

so

was all this

[terse idol]

I just feel like it makes the flow of gameplay a little too clunky

[vivid bolt]

debacle

over

[quasi socket]

anyone getting a lot of crashes recently?

[vivid bolt]

a variance of builds

that both work.

[terse idol]

We're looking for 2% difference in breakpoint?

[vivid bolt]

and are both educated builds

[terse idol]

Pgun pls

[forest scaffold]

I use these two builds for plasma gun though, with this particular plasma gun

[raw steppe]

no

we're still pretty sure

that unarmored is ass

but there's lots of ways

[forest scaffold]

and I'm on the fence whether I want flak or unarmored

[terse idol]

I still think it's good

[raw steppe]

to build the rest of the tree lol

[terse idol]

If you have a lower damage

I am literally

[forest scaffold]

Flak does funny things to mauler/rager groups

with a charged shot

[terse idol]

Running all the % elite damage and weakpoint damage talents

And I'm 45~ off

Without ping

[forest scaffold]

@terse idol

[raw steppe]

ye you need one of the solutions I suggested

[forest scaffold]

this tree

gets you the oneshot

[midnight totem]

Quick question, regarding opening Salvo on a regular lasgun. Isn't that just extra damage on every shot?

[forest scaffold]

No

it has a 500ms cooldown

[dapper vessel]

You can 1 shot headshot dreg Gunners without Unarmored, but it requires some buffs from the vets talents

[forest scaffold]

or something like that

it might be 250ms

[raw steppe]

one of these solutions hits the 1400 BP #veteran-class message

[forest scaffold]

But it has an ICD to force you to pace your shots

[midnight totem]

I see

[tall torrent]

My understanding is that running unarmored as a perk saves u 2 points on left (no need to grab 15% elite) which could be used for other stuff

[serene sage]

Yeah I feel like we can conclude on this tbh

[terse idol]

I'm not thrilled on weapon spec pgun I'll say the least

[tall torrent]

If you don’t have unarmored you have to dip 4 points into left (5% ranged dmg, 30% weakpoint, 25% ammo, 15% elite)

[midnight totem]

Still sounds like it's best in slot though, an extra bit of power for free every few seconds

[serene sage]

the 2 points you should get in most ranged builds anyway, but if you are strapped, then grab unarmoured (rarely but it can happen)

[quasi glade]

🤔 worth?

[raw steppe]

this isn't true tbh

[tall torrent]

And maybe I don’t want to dip all those points into left tree when I could grab demo team or stuff on the right

[vivid bolt]

Is true -> Says it isnt

[raw steppe]

because i believe it drops your breakpoint on the 1200 flak head gunner, and also might make you miss bulwark/crusher BP

let me test it

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, I'd rather run this with +10% elites or +25% unarmored on my plasma gun

[tall torrent]

I’m on an 80 dmg 79 SP roll so maybe my perception is skewed here

[terse idol]

It does not

[forest scaffold]

than grabbing the +15% elites talent in the tree

[tall torrent]

And I tag stuff I shoot

[terse idol]

Scab gunner seems to always be able to meet the 1200

On headshot

[tall torrent]

So unarmored is a point-save for me

[terse idol]

But dredge is between 100 to 45 damage off BP

[vivid bolt]

so

for the plasma gun

[junior needle]

Graia was recently buffed, although they goofed both the pre and post buff numbers in the patch notes. It uniquely fires faster while braced, and the spread initially expands and then tightens if you hold it down long enough.

For columnus and agri you're probably better off not bracing them. Agri is very accurate in short hipfired bursts. I assume agri still does the most dps even with the graia buff but haven't tested it.

[midnight totem]

How is infernus as a lasgun blessing? Useless?

[vivid bolt]

im lookin at a calculator and

Flak/Maniac hits 1 tap BP on gunners and ragers

[forest scaffold]

Aye, useless.

Headhunter+Deadly Accurate is the way to go

[vivid bolt]

unarmored moves thjat down only on scab ragers

[raw steppe]

here's an 80/79 roll with 15% elites taken off

[rigid schooner]

So they at least do different things then, good to know

[terse idol]

Flak helps vs maulers

[tall torrent]

Btw what exactly is the bolter playstyle rn
I tried it last night and it’s this really awkward pseudo-marksman gun that requires a ton of points to just make it feel bearable and hit the 1 shot breakpoints I need
But then I don’t have enough points for melee stuff

[terse idol]

Maniac helps vs ragers

[junior needle]

Useless on anything that isn't a recon, and it's on the low end of mediocre for those, but they don't exactly have much in the way of good blessings to compete. Also the recons are still dumpster tier themselves.

[vivid bolt]

i know

havent mentioned em

[serene sage]

Honestly take whatever the fuck you want cause shit is busted as fuck. If you are not doing damage on the top 3 most OP guns in the game then it's skill issue.

[rigid schooner]

The graia feels really good to brace and just unload

[tall torrent]

Could just tag honestly

[vivid bolt]

literally

im seeing like

[terse idol]

[vivid bolt]

fuck all differences

[tall torrent]

Missing 14 dmg without tag is not a big no-no for me

[vivid bolt]

like

[raw steppe]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[raw steppe]

you also lose quite a bit of damage against bulkier enemies

[rigid schooner]

The Agri brauto feels like it proportionally has too small of a magazine imo

[raw steppe]

i think it's a +1 breakpoint against crushers and reapers

maybe bulwarks

15% elite damage is pretty nutty

[rigid schooner]

I should try the collumnus brauto though

[hearty frigate]

New vox recording dropped

[rigid schooner]

🐌

[tall torrent]

Bulwark gets +1 shot
Reaper I’m still 2 shotting

[raw steppe]

ye i haven't tested it

but dropping 15% elites is gonna hurt quite a bit

just from my brain looking at it

[tall torrent]

Tbh I don’t really spam shots at bulwarks, I just use it as a tool to stagger them out of defense

So it’s not a big no-no for me either

[raw steppe]

ye you do you lol

[forest scaffold]

OSBP: Flamers, Both machinegunners, dreg rager, both shotgunners, all adds, sniper, trapper, bomber

2sbp: Flak rager, reaper

3sbp: Bulwarks

5sbp: crusher

[raw steppe]

just take elites instead of unarmored

[forest scaffold]

With the addendum that you need to have enemies not within 8 meters of you

[raw steppe]

if you want to solve the 1400 gunner breakpoint

[forest scaffold]

which is a tall fucking task on Hi-STG or Maelstrom

[raw steppe]

with perk

[serene sage]

I honestly don't know
My build does take a bunch of damage points but nothing too outrageous (Long Shot, Precision Strikes, Superiority Complex, Bring Them Down) plus whatever random ranged damage filler on the way to get those nodes.
I one tap everything short of Mutants (~3 body shot, 2 on head), Scab Ragers (~2-3 shots), Mauler (3 body shots), Crushers (a decent amount of shot but a full mag should kill at least 2 Crushers). I run ping with redirect fire so those numbers can be lowered as well. Those breakpoints seem okay to me. Not as OP as Plasma and Revolver but it's reliable.

[tall torrent]

Is bolter just exclusively an exe stance gun now

Like how mg12 is

[terse idol]

I mean bulwacks aren't too bad to Deal with with the pgun

Even if they're in front you just stagger shield then headshot

[serene sage]

I run VoC. I think XStance is a trap. The gun is so clunky you need overshield to stay alive.

[tall torrent]

What does ur tree look like

[serene sage]

Also XStance runs into the problem of not being able to extend when you reload

[safe dawn]

btw I looked this up:
80% Damage Recon Lasgun deals 62.5 damage per shot
0% Damage Columnus IAG deals 75 damage per shot

[trim breach]

what's a good support adclear vet build? @-@

[raw steppe]

tbh bolter needs the free reload talent back lol

i'm staying away from bolter

until that comes back

[vivid bolt]

Pull out melee. Swing.

[terse idol]

I mean I don't think bolter is that bad

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s my one issue with bolter
I can’t make the gun feel good enough without trading basically every single one of my melee talents

[forest scaffold]

just run the reload talents

[terse idol]

I think maybe we... a little spoiled from the pgun

[vivid bolt]

bolter is just a worse revolver tbh

[forest scaffold]

either one gives you a fast enough reload to keep Exe up

[raw steppe]

well revolver is kinda broken rn lol

[forest scaffold]

kill an elite/special or have ammo left in the mag

[serene sage]

Yeah in which case I don't blame you. I do run a decent CAxe2 so you do need a good melee weapon.

[raw steppe]

revolver needs to be reigned in i think

they need to delete ammo aura + reduce revolver mag from 50 to 40

and then i think it should be ok

[serene sage]

I've been outdamaging plasma and revolver users in the past 10 matches

[vivid bolt]

there is also simple skill diffs yea

[serene sage]

I lost to a shotgunner of all things

[vivid bolt]

i mean i can take a fuckin

bleed knife on zealot

and out damage the heavy sword user

[tiny summit]

Obviously marksman focus with 10% reload speed

[terse idol]

I love when games stop being games and turns into spread sheets 😌

[forest scaffold]

simply a skissue on their part

[serene sage]

probably but the bolt isn't that bad

[forest scaffold]

its not particularly hard to farm up damage in the game right now

literally everything is mindbogglingly OP

[vivid bolt]

i mean

It is worse than a revolver

in terms of being a

[terse idol]

Recon be like

[vale ledge]

apparently i rolled a decent gun

[vivid bolt]

"oh fuck, flick" weapon

takes significantly more setup tbh

[forest scaffold]

Recon is just solid

not OP

not bad

[terse idol]

No its

[forest scaffold]

Just. . . okay

[terse idol]

Bad

Compared to even regular lasguns...

[serene sage]

I mean yeah but I don't just farm damage for the sake of it. I just do my normal stuff yknow

[terse idol]

It just sucks

[tiny summit]

Comparatively it's bad. It's not an unusable super soaker

[serene sage]

But generally true, there is too much damage in the game right now.

[crisp rapids]

i find fine

[crisp rapids]

daamge is fine

[vale ledge]

opinion_

[serene sage]

With 2 good DPSer in a team, there wouldn't be much for the other 2 to shoot.

[crisp rapids]

yo das pretty good

[tiny summit]

I'll agree there is too much damage when the game stops the clown car spawning to compete with the damage

[serene sage]

honestly, we need to reduce cleave in the game for ranged weapons

[crisp rapids]

just play with other ideas in mind,

[tiny summit]

When the director doesn't have the clown car spawning, yea we pretty op

[crisp rapids]

i consistently run smite revolver psycher, and my team is usualy thankfull of the stuns

[serene sage]

that pack of 15 shotgunners would be actually scary if they don't die in a single plasma shot

[crisp rapids]

clown car spawning, what meme is that?

[serene sage]

I love support psykers, my favorite teammate.

Truly the unsung heroes. Even when they are bad they are good.

[crisp rapids]

psychers on that chat hate me for saying that smite is good,

""""""""stagger"""""""""""" is a useless stat 😔

ignore the entire horde + every elites, specials not moving

[half ginkgo]

Anyone knows for how long the special mission is available? Don’t have ability to play for a few days

[serene sage]

I love playing around Smite users it's free real estate

[crisp rapids]

yeah, go argue thaton the psycher chat

[serene sage]

It's quite the feeling to run up to a wave of elites and start spamming melee

[crisp rapids]

i am done trying to explain that it does decent dps agains the horde.

and stuns everything

[midnight totem]

I love smite users

[tiny summit]

No implications it's temporary as far as we know. The "time limited" event was them ambushing your missions for a week

[midnight totem]

Makes me giddy at murdering defenseless chaos hordes

[unique orchid]

Smite users make life easier

[icy raven]

Hmm. I wonder if I overvalue the melee bonuses on the right tree. I may have to try something like this out.

[serene sage]

I'm not sure if it's suboptimal tbh

[crisp rapids]

thanks, also i try to hit hard with my funny looking staff

[half ginkgo]

Thank you, just hope it’s not gone till after Christmas

[crisp rapids]

heres it

it looks funny, but it just metal assails

[serene sage]

You're likely not. Right side melee is really strong. But I have a good melee weapon that lets me hold my own without much investment talent wise.

[crisp rapids]

🙏 every survivalist

[midnight totem]

I run right side melee but with tagging

It's very fun, I feel like shade from Vermintide

Krak grenades to take out bosses and mobs

[crisp rapids]

if any vet here wants to play later (i cnat play rn) , i can run smite rev and fuck em up

[vocal heath]

Quick question: Is there a cooldown on the Covering Fire talent?

[midnight totem]

I rolled a pretty decent chainsword, 5 crit, 20 flak armor, shred and bloodletter

I toss a krak grenade at a boss, stealth up and chainsaw the bastard down

[vivid bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1186384238682050590/image.png?ex=65930d6c&is=6580986c&hm=75c72ca705c0f3d4ef74c0438ddf862493cde9cb9d65ad19b5deb52f5e2a0e0c&

Good knife?

[midnight totem]

Killed three bosses like that in one mission yesterday

[icy raven]

Yeah, I have a pretty good psword 6 I wanna try with that. Just to see how different it feels. Been running around with this:

with plas + w/e

i do like how you have more toughness on headshoot tho

[scenic bronze]

3rd time joining into a mission failed screen, this maelstrom must be fun

[safe dawn]

free Plasteel woooo

[midnight totem]

I just remembered something odd from my testing yesterday

Maulers have different body armor then head armor?

[terse idol]

No but I don't think it stacks
Second 15% toughness replenish suuucks

But naw I don't think it stacks, it might reset though

[midnight totem]

Gotcha. I recall being confused that my chainsword bodyshot them on a Rev but not on the head

[vocal heath]

Ew, yeah. That's lame. Thought it was 15% toughness for each kill, and that the 10% buff was a seperate 10s buff.

[terse idol]

Let's see

[willow grove]

Anyone have good suggestions for guns that work well for a "sniper" build (Focus on taking out elites from far) other than the MKXII lasgun?

[vocal heath]

If you don't want to play revolver, then the single shot headhunter autogun is cool.

[terse idol]

Like to be fair 10% extra damage aint that bad... (I just feel like support like builds aren't very good)

People are already building for their own breakpoints

[raw steppe]

headhunter autogun 7, plasma gun, revolver

[vocal heath]

Yeah, this is specifically for my seperate support build though ^^

[terse idol]

Like, unless you're playing a very pub lobby what is 10% to someone that already optimized their weapon

[vocal heath]

Besides, shout has a short enough cooldown anyway.

I'll go with Demolition Team instead. Seems like the better use of a talent point

[terse idol]

Well I mean thats faiiir

I wish there was an easier way to tell folks that you have demolition team

Unless your team like, always uses one grenade you could generate grenades that go into the void

[median moat]

what's the difference between the recon lazguns?

[vocal heath]

I find that on Auric with zealots that demo team is good for keeping crowd control up.

[terse idol]

And that doesn't go into people who use rock or knife

[terse idol]

Ah that's a good point

[vocal heath]

But yeah, it's very circumstantial.

[terse idol]

Faster fire rate, low damage
Slower fire rate, high damage

I forgot which is which

[tall torrent]

Does the 10% toughness replenishment for all allies in coherency node only boost coherency regen?

Or is it x1.1 for literally every bit of toughness you gain

[vocal heath]

THere's also one of them that pierces horde mobs.

Forgot which one

[raw steppe]

all those nodes on the tree is coherency

[tall torrent]

Damn that’s tragic

[terse idol]

They should all have penetrate as a modifier iirc

What's that word... Collateral

Yeah they should all have collateral

[willow grove]

Yeah I love the revolver it's just pretty short range

I'll try the autogun if I can get one

[terse idol]

Iirc the Ia Lasgun is pretty good
Try a helbore too

[midnight totem]

The single shot headhunter is the vraks mk7 right?

[frank ether]

hadron bricked my godroll braced revolver

again

I think I'm gonna uh

take a fucking break

[fading grove]

hey what are the tier 2 blessings for shotguns everyone says are hard to find?

I honestly love the Lasgun MG Ia for ranged build.

[flint garden]

short range? thats only the agripinaa. with zarona you can snipe from wherever and longshot counteracts damage drop off

[hardy ember]

Hellguns on the way for veterans soon?

[raw steppe]

let's see it

might be saveable

[frank ether]

Its really not

I think it had stamina/infested and then tier 1 point blank and then tier 3 terrifying barrage

[tardy sentinel]

What weapons do y'all use for melee/support builds?

[hardy ember]

Chainsword/powersword

With ammo aura

[tardy sentinel]

Which chainsword?

[hardy ember]

Not the new one

[tardy sentinel]

Ok, any blessings/perks to look out for on the Mk4?

[hardy ember]

Cleave on hit

[tardy sentinel]

Wrath?

[forest blaze]

I support my team by killing every special in sight, dropping frags to wipe hordes, and by not triggering the daemonhost

o7

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[midnight totem]

I imagine hellguns to be like, recon lasguns with regular lasguns damage, smaller mags

[willow grove]

instructions unclear, threw a frag at the daemonhost

[forest blaze]

oh lawd nooooo

[midnight totem]

Whats the best way to kill a daemonhost?

[forest blaze]

by not triggering it in the first place

[terse idol]

We just don't know

There's a better chance that we get a longlas

[tardy sentinel]

Bring a thunder hammer zealot or a shield ogryn

[hardy ember]

Hellguns are what the scab gunners use. Las weapons in general need attention and buffs to penetration power.

[terse idol]

Zealots get the melta

[midnight totem]

Let's say it's triggered

[forest blaze]

hope it isn't aggro'd to you

[terse idol]

But we don't have annoying to suggest a hellgun

[flint garden]

run away and let it aggro the randos

[terse idol]

Most Las guns are good

Besides recon

[pulsar drift]

Do i even need to change anything

[forest blaze]

if it is aggro'd to you.... just dodge and block while trying to keep the DH near your team so they can try to help you

as vet we don't really have great tools to 1:1 the DH

[terse idol]

All I can think of with a hellgun is its a charge lasgun

[forest blaze]

shout helps to stagger them

[terse idol]

That bursts a ton of ammo

In front of you, juust like the scab gunners yeah

[midnight totem]

You can parry the attacks with the catachan sword though right?

[forest blaze]

yah... if you're taking a catachan

[midnight totem]

How about actually killing it? My first daemonhost attack on damnation did not go well

[terse idol]

If you have field improvisation

[midnight totem]

(I was not the guy who aggro'd it)

[terse idol]

And a dclaw

[midnight totem]

I meant trying to kill it

[terse idol]

You can take a daemon host, if you're comfortable enough with the timing

I mean not alone

If you parry a daemon host with a dlclaw, you're acting like an Ogryn with a shield

Sure you're gonna counter attack but i don't think you can take it alone

Not before the health kit stops healing your corruption

[midnight totem]

No I mean like, what's the weakpoints of a daemonhost. Head? Ass? I couldn't really melee it

[hardy ember]

….its the head

[atomic zephyr]

the head

[midnight totem]

Guns it is then

[atomic zephyr]

good luck hitting it’s head tho lol

[midnight totem]

I've killed a daemonhost on malice, but that's malice

[pulsar drift]

Alright so what’s the best shotgun u guys think of

[midnight totem]

Everything works on malice

[terse idol]

Oh

[pulsar drift]

Trying to get my melee vet something more fun

[terse idol]

[crude ermine]

A frying pan

[midnight totem]

Understood. Time to roll a god shovel

[forest scaffold]

but I thought plasma guns were bricked without gets hot

[nimble sentinel]

melee headshots on a dh are fun when you got a dagger and going goblin mode

(disclaimer: this was when the ogryn goofed up and threw a rock at it first)

speaking of which anyone got a god roll dagger for veteran goblin mode builds?

[midnight totem]

Good guy ogryn. Just wanted to share his rock with the disturbed lady

[junior needle]

They do all have collateral, it's just that the stat does nothing for cleave. Only suppression and stagger.

[nimble sentinel]

hadron has not been nice to me I want opinions on my steak knife collection

[pulsar drift]

Is this good?

Or should I go for other shotguns

[fading grove]

Yes but get flechette and man stopper

[forest blaze]

haha luckily, plasma doesn't live or die by it's blessings. Basically, if you have solid raw stats and good perks you'll be good to party.
Gets Hot is normally just the "go to" for the high crit chance on high heat, but it's not required to clap some heretics

[forest scaffold]

well its a weapon I guess

[forest scaffold]

Yeah I was joking

I like volatile cause it just turns plasma into a revolver

[pulsar drift]

Is lawbringer the best rn?

[celest vine]

This is too

[pulsar drift]

or some other ones

[forest blaze]

I have volatile too. I like it with my weapon specialist build

[fading grove]

The reason why flechette and manstooper are a good combo is because of the infinite cleave it has

[forest scaffold]

yeah this is the build I used

[fading grove]

Why grenade upgrade for flak? Boss damage?

[forest scaffold]

I'm forced to take it

and I'm pretty sure covering fire is still bugged

For the last year hasn't worked at all

as in, straight up didn't buff your teammates

[fading grove]

Lol

[pulsar drift]

Okay I know it’s good, but my main question is which shotgun should I pick

[fading grove]

Lawbringer and kantreal

[forest blaze]

nice. I opted for Out For Blood, Smokes, and bleed/agile with my chaxe and it fucks

[pulsar drift]

Okay!

[young prawn]

is this a good laspistol?

[fading grove]

Kantreal is really good cause the fire pellets have infinite cleave and go through bulwark shields @pulsar drift

[forest scaffold]

this is the build I usually run

[forest blaze]

I got a goofy roll for my chaxe with nearly max mobility, so the double +MS talents is actually silly

[fading grove]

No survivalist? incredibly based

[forest scaffold]

lets me grab exhi takedown

cause this tree sucks ass to path through

why the fuck are there so many stat nodes

[forest blaze]

Survivalist on plasma is kind of a crutch.... if you're conservative with ammo you'll typically be just fine

[pulsar drift]

Okay! So the blessings are? Man stopper?

[forest scaffold]

just eat all the ammo on the map

[fading grove]

Not on the Kantreal

@pulsar drift

[forest scaffold]

Fatshark has no fucking clue how to balance ammo costs

they are outright dogshit at it

so just don't fucking care and eat all the ammo on the map

[forest blaze]

100%. With the extra movement speed on my build, I can get to all the ammo before anyone else does 😂

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, I think for combat that's my biggest grip: What the fuck is this ammo economy

Outside of combat its Sire Melk, Brunt, Hourly Reset Shop, and Hadron

[forest blaze]

fuckin charged shot man.... 9 ammo

[forest scaffold]

Its not just the plasma gun.

Pretty much everything has fucking awful ammo economies.

From top to bottom.

[vernal harbor]

I think ammo is fine for most except things that are sub 200

[hearty frigate]

Laspistol makes no sense to have

[vernal harbor]

And the magazine sizes are confusing

[forest blaze]

For me... it's the fact that the ammo placements are all over the place on some maps. So you actually have to go scavenge for shit, which isn't a big deal... it's just annoying

[hearty frigate]

Why have a overall inferior weapon when you can have r i f l e

[forest scaffold]

laspistol>all three IAGs

sorry, ILGs

Especially on psyker and zealot

but it still holds true for Veteran

[vernal harbor]

Yessirrr

[hearty frigate]

Autogun is better

Lasgun is better

How is the laspistol better than a RIFLE

[fading grove]

Lasgun is literally not better lol

[vernal harbor]

Las pistol vet is great

[forest blaze]

None of those weapons can accidentally blow me up and cost us an Auric Maelstrom run. Checkmate.

[fading grove]

Maybe in ammo economy but that’s it

[placid solstice]

Laspistol switch fast, hipfire good, reload fast, move fast

[hearty frigate]

Boltgun:

[fading grove]

Bolt gun blows

[vernal harbor]

Got a jab too

[hearty frigate]

You blow for cheap stfu

[forest blaze]

I don't think boltgun is that bad tbh. I think people are being a bit silly about their complaints for it.

[violet veldt]

how do we feel about the shovels guys

[fading grove]

I do

[hearty frigate]

Boltgun supremacy

[vernal harbor]

Hip fire god tier

[fading grove]

Standard is incredibly based

[forest blaze]

It's that stupid reload time and low ammo reserve that keeps it away from my inventory.

[violet veldt]

the original without the new special?

[fading grove]

Yes

[hearty frigate]

That doesn’t stop me from shooting everything that moves

[forest blaze]

I get that

[tiny summit]

My "get the fuck off me stick"

[violet veldt]

ngl i came to ask coz the heavy sweep feels super good

but i expected the new shovels to be better

[forest blaze]

New Mk3 shovel is pog af

[hearty frigate]

I’m the boltgun player who purposefully shoots lone enemies

[fading grove]

Standard shovel with weapon specialist is so fun

[hearty frigate]

Be afraid

[forest blaze]

Personally... I'm a chaxe12 enjoyer.

[tiny summit]

A lot of things aren't actually bad in the game. It's like the fgc when they talk about high tiers vs low tiers

[forest blaze]

yah. the only thing I agree on with the complaints is that recon lasgun is ass. I see recon players eating all the ammo and not really doing anything.

[deep fable]

dude its so seemingly unbalanced.
the special does significantly more than the evis

[forest blaze]

It's super silly

[vernal harbor]

Controversial opinion but I have good aim and never need ammo

Mfs be letting them fly

[forest blaze]

I can regular heavy OHKO every non ogryn. I can one special heavy kill every ogryn and seriously fuck up monstrosities.

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/vasquez-marine-lets-rock-rock-and-roll-space-gif-12024842

[forest blaze]

and the light attacks vs hordes basically just yeet heretics all over the places

[tiny summit]

Shooting an entire room with helbore and hit reload

you never used ammo what are thinking?

[hearty frigate]

I’m a sluut for ammo

But I make sure everything in sightline is red mist

Boltgun baby 😎

[forest blaze]

Boltgun player in the lobby? I'm chill with it. Just please one shot all the crushers and monstrosities so I can save my ammo.

[hearty frigate]

Magdump you mean

[vernal harbor]

Like anything a bolter and plasma gun can do I can do with a couple more shots and without thirsting for ammo

[forest blaze]

yah

[forest blaze]

yah that

[tiny summit]

Every heretic within 10m of seeing their buddy turned into a mist should be suppressed

[forest blaze]

👍

[willow grove]

Thanks to whoever suggested the autogun, it's feeling exactly like what I was looking for

[hearty frigate]

I make sure everyone who isn’t preaching the emperor needs a mop to clean up what’s left of them

[willow grove]

... why can't I paste images?

[hearty frigate]

I sometimes purposefully shoot enemies in the hip so I split them in half and watch their upper half fly into the air while their arms flail

:3

[forest blaze]

I like to shoot a single plasma shot into gunlines so I can see the rats scurry

[midnight totem]

Based

[hearty frigate]

Shooting people in half is funny

If anything it gives them more time to contemplate their wrong decisions

[lofty lintel]

how important is stop power on plasma?

[hearty frigate]

Meh

[lofty lintel]

am i fine with this then?

[wanton dawn]

Stop power is as important as damage

[lofty lintel]

shii

alr

im gonna keep rolling then

[wanton dawn]

To be more precise, stopping power is a damage multiplier applied to some type of armor, such as flak and carapace

[willow grove]

There we go

Need to find a better one but works for now

though I still despise Iron Sights

[hearty frigate]

Bayonet go brrrr

[forest blaze]

highly

[terse idol]

Yeah.. it can really screw up your breakpoints

[fading grove]

What’s the best hellbore rifle

[nimble sentinel]

prefence really, if you like the bayonet go 1 or 2, if you wanna one shot everything go 3, 2 is faster than 1

[broken spade]

Now that charge rate on plasma is no longer fucked, how are people feeling about volatile?

[fading grove]

The emperor just gave me a shotgun with Manstopper 2.

Nice

thats one of the hard ones to get right?

[south garnet]

It's just... SO, SLOW. Especially for heavies which, I don't know. What blessings are you using? I did end up doing bloodletter as one because now being able to dodge cancel specials makes bleeding bosses and crushers to death trivial

[fading grove]

It's because I loaded a Malice by mistake, so he gave me a blue shotty lol

[muted knot]

It's not ?

[fading grove]

It was

[broken spade]

it got fixed on part 2 of the carnival update i think

[muted knot]

Wait which part are talking about

[broken spade]

the way charge rate fucked with damage

[muted knot]

Oh its not anymore ?

[broken spade]

well according to patch notes it's been fixed at least

[muted knot]

Sweet

[broken spade]

This is what they said about it if you're curious

[muted knot]

Nice

It was such a weird thing to look for

[slow spade]

Remember comrades, Vet weak need buff

[wild lantern]

vet is op (always has been meme) and should be nerf (a lot of nerf!)

[forest blaze]

With trench fighter it's not that slow. I can manage hordes just fine and I can pop maulers/crushers/ragers/etc really easily. Let me go grab a screenshot of my axe and build

[south garnet]

True, trench fighter makes it a lot more tolerable. Even without it I can manage hordes with it OK, but man. The slow strikedowns are just a bitch to manage the timing of in the middle of a mixed horde, feels like especially with ragers or similar I have to thin the herd before I can really suss out the brains of a green meanie through his skull

[forest blaze]

@south garnet luckily, fo rhordes you'll just yeet dudes

if they don't die in one hit they'll get knocked into next week

[serene sage]

is it me or total damage dealt per game is lower than before?

[south garnet]

By contrast the OG chaxe feels pretty good, with the vanguard-style swings on the heavies and super quick agile saws for individuals

True though, it does knock the shit out of people

[serene sage]

are fewer things spawning?

[forest blaze]

yah I don't like OG chaxe because it's heavies don't have the weight I want vs specials/elites

I like those strikedown heavies

[south garnet]

They're effective, just hard to stick sometimes between the slow maneuvering/footwork during windup, the timing, and the final connect during packed hordes. Still getting used to it and building up a feel though

[analog blaze]

Love OG chainaxe. The push and heavy take care of hordes and the light shreds most elites in one or two attacks.

It's not the best horde weapon for clearing, I'll admit, but you can stay alive well enough.

The new chainaxe light attacks feel weird. I don't know why. The arc feels like it doesn't hit many

[teal abyss]

I greatly prefer the new chainaxe lol I know I’m gonna get skill issued but I take way too much damage trying to horde clear with the OG, just spamming lights on the new one does me better than I ever could on the old

[analog blaze]

I don't think that's a skill thing as much as a preference tbh. Both axes have pros and cons

[raw steppe]

tbh all the stats are important

even thermal

you can dump it a bit

but you dont want it to be TOO trash

[swift ingot]

It’s horde clear is pretty ok, like not bad but very serviceable, I really love the new chainaxe a lot because it feels like a one handed hammer

[south garnet]

yea it does feel a lot like a hammer

mallet ass lookin cudgel

don't even use the damn chain on lights just whack

[analog blaze]

I think that's a negative to me. I love how weird the OG axe is

I also wish there were rev noises for the sweep

[swift ingot]

The lights had a chain sound added to them in a hotfix

[south garnet]

yea, the quick magnet lights actually feel p good on OG

[lofty lintel]

Yeah i figured, ty

[south garnet]

I assume that must be for OG, since I just used the nuxe yesterday and didn't hear anything

[swift ingot]

It was for the new one

[south garnet]

interesting, I've gotten even deafer then

[analog blaze]

My biggest complaint, which is probably just my axe/build, is that it doesn't one shot all non elites.

It does after I build up a stack or two of slaughter and headhunter

[south garnet]

yea, any melee that spends that amount of time with a single target hit well ought to murder a pox or etc. otherwise it starts feeling pretty bad pretty quick

[tall torrent]

If only it had better horde clear

[analog blaze]

The only ones I can't are the yellow shooters, the armored scabs, and the helmet melee guys. I'm great with names.

[analog blaze]

Yeah, but you never lose a duel with an elite again

[south garnet]

Even if that elite is a boss

[analog blaze]

And you get to talk about the warp overtaking you

[tall torrent]

It’s never an issue of duelling elite, it’s more like dealing with 5 ragers and 2 maulers at the same time

[analog blaze]

And sometimes people get the reference

[south garnet]

true

the push attack is pretty good on the 12 I'll grant it that, plus it has really cheap push and a bunch of stam

[forest blaze]

@south garnet

I don't have +flak on this one but with it, it'll one shot ragers on a regular overhead heavy

[tall torrent]

The push atk combo is a decent option for ragers

[forest blaze]

with slaughterer instead of thrust, you easily start one shotting all the regular horde dudes

[tall torrent]

Cuz u never want to be locked in animations when fighting melee elites

[analog blaze]

It stuns the elites too

[forest blaze]

it'll stun 1 elite but not 5

so you yell at them then kill 3 of them before they stand up

[analog blaze]

You can stun 2 pretty easy.

[swift ingot]

Doesn’t the og chainaxe have better horde clear?

[analog blaze]

Imo it does, anyways

[forest blaze]

it does

but horde clear isn't really a big deal imo

[forest blaze]

with this, it'll kill enough and yeet the rest, so I can pretty much just walk straight and keep LMB and the sea parts

[swift ingot]

I know but what’s the optimal horde combo for the og chainaxe? I want to give it another try

[forest blaze]

slaughterer imo

slaughterer would fuck up the hordes

[analog blaze]

Slaughterer and headhunter

You quickly get to one shotting non elites with heavy and push attacks

[forest blaze]

you can get by with just slaughterer IIRC.
Then for your second blessing you do thrust or bloodletter

[swift ingot]

I know about the blessings, I mean the combo

[tall torrent]

The mk4 needs heavies and push atk to horde clear and without 10% atk speed, those heavy atks feel very slow to cumbersome

[analog blaze]

Oh. Push attack and heavy attack, if that's what you mean

[swift ingot]

Appreciated

[tall torrent]

Also not a fan of how chainaxe has bad dodges

[analog blaze]

The cleave isn't perfect so you'll have to push attack sometimes to make distance

[tall torrent]

This is my build rn

[forest blaze]

with both +move talents, you're fast enough to outrun the hordes anyways

[swift ingot]

Yeah chainaxe may have been vital in me being able to beat the twins on hard but my god the dodges are just so awful

[fading grove]

I would take out the 50% toughness resistance and trade it for rending

[analog blaze]

The dodges are rough but you do adapt/get used to them. They are still bad, obviously. I've played a lot of knife, so the switch was... Hard

[hearty frigate]

As a shooting veteran, this offends me

[austere badger]

Wow, knife vet is kinda wild. Maybe I should roll a nice heavy las pistol - but the revolver is just doing work.

[forest blaze]

The chaxe dodges are ok enough. You just gotta use pushes better. VOC helps a lot too

[south garnet]

Wicked. I've got bloodletter+slaughterer on mine which I feel like helps with lights during horde clear

[forest blaze]

yeah that's a good setup

slaughterer will let you oneshot the hordes really well

[analog blaze]

I've done both. The Heavy Las is what I prefer because you can deal with ranged enemies better and it staggers gunner/shooters on approach with better ammo efficiency

[forest blaze]

I moved away from it because I find the stagger and damage is enough to get by and I can use bloodletter + thrust instead

[hearty frigate]

Boltgun is better

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tall torrent]

I’m using HB2 and plasma so rending isn’t needed

[austere badger]

What blessings are you guys using on chain axe?

[swift ingot]

Fellow heavy Las enjoyer, pleasure to make your acquaintance 🤝

[tall torrent]

I’ve actually tested breakpoints and I don’t need rending for most of my weapons lol

[serene sage]

I wouldn't say Bolt is better, it can keep up but you need to put in more efforts.

[south garnet]

Makes sense, I do like the idea of thrust for need to 1hKO scenarios

[forest blaze]

imo:
perks: flak + maniac
blessings: thrust/slaughterer/thunderous + bloodletter

[austere badger]

Bloodletters and Thunderous? Thunderous apply multiple times on special?

[hearty frigate]

I don’t care, bolt is best ❤️

[tall torrent]

Thunderous applies on any hit

[south garnet]

Thunderous is good for bleeding crushers in c9mbo w bloodletter

[austere badger]

[forest blaze]

Thunderous is really good with bloodletter... like... really good.

[tall torrent]

I think thunderous + bloodletter is chainaxe’s safest build

[hearty frigate]

Give boltgun bleed when it hits an enemy

[forest blaze]

I used Thunderous + Bloodletter vs the twins for my hard mode run

[analog blaze]

I don't rev my chainaxe much tbh

[hearty frigate]

:3

[austere badger]

Why use boltgun right now? The time to ready and reload just doesn't seem worth it these days 😦

[analog blaze]

Outside of bosses, I guess.

[forest blaze]

OTOH Thrust + Bloodletter will still one shot maulers and crushers

[austere badger]

Besides the sick new weapon skin lol

[tall torrent]

U get to bleed ragers and maulers, and still have the ability to one shot crushers (just not extremely fast)

[hearty frigate]

Because if you always have it out you don’t have to worry about the draw time

[austere badger]

Lol, is your ogryn just carrying ammo for you?

[south garnet]

Which is a good balanced approach afaict

Still manhandles bosses

[hearty frigate]

And if you always have 1 shot in the mag you reload quickly

[hearty frigate]

No, my back hurts

[forest blaze]

I really like thrust + bloodletter. It hasn't let me down. It's good enough in hordes, good enough vs ragers/crushers/maulers as long as you position and play well, and you have that sweet sweet bleed for monstros

[hearty frigate]

I am a boltgun main

[forest blaze]

and if you're lacking damage you can just swap to ranged, shoot some fool, then go back at it with +25% damage

[tall torrent]

Still with it had either better bruiser clear or dodge distance

[serene sage]

Well I think it's niche is simply the higher mag count that can one tap nearly everything and 2/3 tap everything else barring crushers. Revolver can mostly do the same but you need to heashot. Bolter is more forgiving in the bodyshot department. Also Bolter can mag dump (not recommended but you can if needed). Better burst against Monstros. Whether all that is worth the horrendous draw time and reload is up to you. But technically there's a niche for the Bolt.

[forest blaze]

I wish it had better unarmored damage, personally.

that's about it

[tall torrent]

This is actually not that far from a functional bolter build

[hearty frigate]

Counterpoint: just always keep the boltgun drawn, and you don’t have to worry about the draw time

[hearty frigate]

Everything on the left side of the tree is what I selected

Gun maxing

[tall torrent]

What difficulty do u play on

[hearty frigate]

4

[fading grove]

are there any easy to read breakdowns where you can sort weapons by movement speed or anything

[tall torrent]

[serene sage]

I mean sure, you can maximize the time your gun is out but there will be time you need to draw melee.

[hearty frigate]

I usually go to 3 just to meme

[hearty frigate]

Bash them with the block of metal that you lug around

[swift ingot]

@hearty frigate sticking to what you love and not caring what folks say, can’t help but respect it

[forest blaze]

I'm on the perma plaststeel grind, which means nothing but regular damnation.

Currently, the best grind for ordo imo is losing hard mode twins 😂

[hearty frigate]

Boltgun is fun, and you can always make it work

[tall torrent]

Don’t think there is but sorting by movement speed is oddly specific

[hearty frigate]

Like the one time I never used melee in a difficulty 3 and spent half the match bashing and shooting

[serene sage]

my friend, I wish I can perma hold ranged weapon in game but that's simply not possible unless you want to handicap the team with how much ammo you consume.

[forest blaze]

you could probably just melee only diff 3 without too much sweat

[hearty frigate]

Nom nom.

[tall torrent]

It’s ok he’s mostly playing malice & heresy so we’re not even conversing on the same dimension as him

[forest blaze]

i mean... if you're doing that you might as well just do auric heresy

[tall torrent]

No point to argue

Let people have their fun

[vivid bolt]

you can melee only any difficulty without too much sweat lol

[fresh mango]

HOLY SHIT LETS FUCKING GOOOO

[serene sage]

where are we going?

[tall torrent]

Congrats

[swift ingot]

Yeah it works well, I’m just not that into it because it encourages you to keep it drawn and I’m more of a 50/50 melee ranged kinda guy

[hearty frigate]

I have played Damnation one time because I felt like hurting myself mentally

[fresh mango]

ive used all my luck

everything is downhill from here

[forest blaze]

weird

[south garnet]

In diff 3 you can complete a match walking backwards, blindfolded, using knife special only, playing on a Wacom intuos tablet and a set of sega Saturn racing pedals

[hearty frigate]

Boltgun didn’t stop shooting, because they weren’t dying, so I kept shooting

[tall torrent]

I think most people here almost exclusively play damnation / auric, so using malice & heresy logic doesn’t always work out

[forest blaze]

could probably do it on a ddr pad for a brisk workout

[serene sage]

you should try Damnation more often, especially HI games to see how hard it is to always keep the gun out.

[hearty frigate]

And eventually three trappers jumped the team in tight corridors and there was nothing we could do

[fresh mango]

what should I swap out the perks for?

[hearty frigate]

So I didn’t cause the team to fail by boltgun maxing

[serene sage]

like I have a decent amount of time on the Bolt, I try to pre-empt swap almost always, but the slow swap time is quite bad when you need to snipe that one special mid horde

[forest blaze]

Doing exclusive AD/AM for weeks on end and now doing exclusively regular damnation for fast plaststeel has me running like 70/30 melee/ranged.....

and that's with plasma

[tall torrent]

Pretty much same for me here

[forest blaze]

yah

[tall torrent]

And I’m running pretty heavy in left

Using vet’s strongest guns

[serene sage]

maniac for sure
i heard elite is cool
or carapace if you like the haha I two shot crusher with poke meme

[forest blaze]

I don't see how people do AD/AM or even regular HISTG Damnation with exec stance.

[swift ingot]

I’m personally waiting for the bolt pistol to get added at minimum 3 years from now

[violet veldt]

i feel liek on some days the AI that maanges spanws just goes liek: yeah not today guys fuck you

[fresh mango]

You can two shot crusher with powersword?

[tall torrent]

It’s not bad, but it needs a team to cover the melee for u

[serene sage]

yeah, you need a pretty good damage roll for that. but you can.

[forest blaze]

yah that's not gonna happen 😂

[hearty frigate]

I’ve played Damnation a fair few times but as ogryn, doesn’t apply in this conversation

[hearty frigate]

Well, you do cripple hordes of every variety with one mag

[south garnet]

Ranged only classes are a myth and so are melee only, while you can tweak the ratio according to preference all attempts to game that system beyond its limits inevitably invokes frustration

[serene sage]

nevermind, it's the Mk3, disregard what I just said

[hearty frigate]

So that’s worth the second or two lost

[fresh mango]

I have mk3

[serene sage]

yeah my bad, forget what I said

probably just flakiac or maniac elite then

[south garnet]

There's a guy in here who does melee only and outright refuses ranged lol

[forest blaze]

That sounds difficult in real games.

[swift ingot]

Mag dumping hordes isn’t really the best use of the Bolter, unless there are elites mixed in I usually avoid mag dumping pure trash hordes

[fresh mango]

my new pride and joy

im shaking from getting PC4

caught me so off guard

[serene sage]

mostly doable until you face that line of gunners backed by a DH and 2 snipers on the highground

[forest blaze]

the Hi Intensity/Auric situation

[swift ingot]

Sounds like someone who’d be better off playing zealot

[forest blaze]

yah melee is fine until 20 gunners turn that corner and shoot your tits off

[hearty frigate]

Chainsword is my preferred melee

[serene sage]

yeah some DH placements are really rough, especially if it protects the gunner line

[swift ingot]

My man 🤝

[hearty frigate]

Chainsword melee attacks are just built different

Crowd control to the max

[south garnet]

I think they said they do, and they mentioned being mad about having to take ranged at all ha

[hearty frigate]

My man 🤝

[swift ingot]

Love me chainsword

[hearty frigate]

Love the chainsword

[muted knot]

My man 🤝

[hearty frigate]

Kills elites, regs and monsters alike

[south garnet]

I wanna try the new CS

[hearty frigate]

Nothing stops the chainsword

Versatility is best 😍

[swift ingot]

New CS isn’t my cup of tea but it’s not bad at all

[forest blaze]

I switched from PS6 to Chaxe12, personally.

[hearty frigate]

How many chainsword are there

2?

[swift ingot]

2

[hearty frigate]

I only use the original one

[south garnet]

I'd be satisfied if it maintains decent clear while being better for heavies in mixed

[swift ingot]

Same

[hearty frigate]

Doesn’t zealot have an exclusive one which is just a chainlongsword

[swift ingot]

We’ll do I have news for you

[buoyant mica]

hope the lasguns get some buffs soon not enough folk use them symbol of the guard weapon wise and no one uses it

[swift ingot]

It does just that

[swift ingot]

Yeah it’s called an Eviscerator

[south garnet]

Good, I needed an excuse to build one to take to auric dam qps

[hearty frigate]

How good is it?

[forest blaze]

This is what superiority looks like.

[swift ingot]

Both are pretty damn good

And does what you’d expect from a big fuckoff chainsword

[hearty frigate]

I may try zealot just to be a screaming maniac with an oversized chainsword who never could understand how to operate firearms

Just for the fun of it

[south garnet]

Eviscerator 2 more like pants pisserator poo, because that's what hordes will do when they see you coming over to do battle with them using one!

LMAO!

[swift ingot]

@south garnet in reality I really want to swap to the new chainsword, I just haven’t had any luck getting a good one

[hearty frigate]

I learned you can cut people in half with the chainsword if you rev it and then do a heavy attack

Quite hilarious

[south garnet]

Rough, I have exactly the same thing with trying to get a flush laspistol 10

[swift ingot]

This was the first one I rolled when part 2 dropped, haven’t tried for a new one since

[grand lark]

That's crazy

[swift ingot]

And it rolled Dum Dum 4, which I had been trying to get for almost 5 months

He is the chosen one

[south garnet]

damn, nice

brunt more like c

tonight I'm gonna roll an ace laspistol 10 and a sick chainsword 172gbv or whatever it's called

assuming my tired wife and fat son will leave me alone

my stupid boring family

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[deep fable]

are the twins immune to bleed?

[south garnet]

look lady, I've got important shit to do like spending a whole lot of energy stressing myself out on gambling fake money on fake material objects to improve on a nonexistent progression

I have no time to look at either of you

[south garnet]

if the amount of blood coming out of them is any indication then no

[forest blaze]

I don’t believe so. Hard mode had me a bit too frantic to keep checking if the health was ticking.

[muted knot]

MGIa is pretty good actually

[muted knot]

God daym

[deep fable]

the bleed on specials do a truly absurd amount of additional damage

[muted knot]

I have my chainsword on wrath and rampage cause I just want it to mulch hordes

And Man does it mulch hordes

[forest blaze]

Bleed good

[muted knot]

My plasmagun will deal with all the specials

[forest blaze]

It also makes ogryns and zealots happy

[muted knot]

Very true

[forest blaze]

The biggest rule for fighting the twins is very simple.
No psykers.

[swift ingot]

Yeah I beat the twins on hard with 2 Ogryn’s and 2 zealots

[forest blaze]

2 vets 2 zealots on my side

every psyker run was cursed

[swift ingot]

Yeah

[serene sage]

I hate the twin mode

Thanks for listening

[swift ingot]

I love the twin mode

[serene sage]

No

[swift ingot]

Thanks for listening

[serene sage]

You don't

Say sike rn

[swift ingot]

I find It fun

[tall torrent]

they should make more special assignments from time to time

[swift ingot]

I want more raid bosses

[serene sage]

No you don't. You think you do but you don't.

[swift ingot]

It was challenging yeah, but I still enjoyed myself

[final locust]

did they change builds again

I had one I got for veteran now its gone

[serene sage]

when did you last play?

[final locust]

month ago

[serene sage]

then yeah

[final locust]

my build has vanished

ffs bro

[tall torrent]

Veteran has had 3 skill tree reworks

[final locust]

tired of having to find another tanky build

[serene sage]

the new tree is actually OP as fuck

you can make the same build as before and have more points now

enjoy

[tall torrent]

New tree very good

[tall torrent]

Is deadshot needed for bolter

[serene sage]

I don't use it. I hate having no stamina

I think surgical is enough

[forest scaffold]

well thats nice of you hourly reset shop

always love to see an unbrickable curio

[serene sage]

could have been 20% :<

[muted knot]

So how do we feel about the devil's claw atm ? What do I want on it ?

[tall torrent]

Might run smth like this then

[tall torrent]

Rampage + savage sweep

[spice gate]

So while I don’t have darktide I love watching people play. Even used the build calculator to make myself a build.
Of course it’s probably a mess but that’s life! Haha!

[muted knot]

Oh so the classics

[spice gate]

Hope I can find a way to play soon

[serene sage]

yeah just try it out, that's very similar to what I run

[muted knot]

How about perks ?

[quasi socket]

lookin like i gotta do hab dreyko, rip

[spice gate]

Anybody got any favorite perks,skills, or weapons?

[quasi socket]

columnus iag, plasma and mk6 power sword slowly growin on me

[muted knot]

Revolver man

So fun

And weapons expert for skill

[tall torrent]

Haven’t done the breakpoints personally so I guess the generic flak + maniac?

[quasi socket]

exe stance more fun than voc, but voc is a clutch skill thats too good to pass up for pushing into higher tier difficulty til comfortable

[muted knot]

It's so fun to run chainsword with the stubrevolver and weapons expert

[tall torrent]

Elite / flak / maniac

[spice gate]

Nice choices you two! It’s nice seeing what people enjoy

[muted knot]

Honorable mention for the Eviscerators

[spice gate]

Wonder why they made them so small

[muted knot]

What's not to like about a big ass chainsword

The evis ?

It's pretty massive

[spice gate]

Oh without a doubt! Just not as big as a lot of other ones in the lore

[muted knot]

That's fair

But that probably boils down to the lore being well.. 40k lore haha

[spice gate]

Exactly! And of course the most important thing of all

The rejects getting the scraps

[muted knot]

Ogryn chainweapon when

But I'd prefer if ogryn just got a big ass two handed weapon first

Like a huge maul

That just flings enemy's left and right

I'm talking something like the aberants

[spice gate]

That would be so cool!

The power picks would also be super cool

[muted knot]

We see how good power maul is so I'll pass on that

[forest blaze]

I don’t necessarily care for more melee weapons… I’d like to see more meaningful ranged weapons

[muted knot]

Fair

Just a shoulderslung bag filled with big friendly rocks

[atomic zephyr]

im surprised theres no brass knuckles or something for ogryns

[muted knot]

Call it the big friendly bag

[tall torrent]

Hellgun for vet would be nice and mechanically not too hard to implement
But the backpack cosmetics thing is prob holding them back on it

[atomic zephyr]

Brunt's Brawlers

[forest scaffold]

Uh

I think darktide is fleshed out enough

I just want fatshark to balance the shit we have now

[muted knot]

Fair

[forest scaffold]

plasma gun, revolver, stubbers, shotguns all being super dominant

[forest blaze]

Idk our stuff isn’t too badly balanced right now imo

[forest scaffold]

with everything else being super ass to mediocre just isn't fun

[atomic zephyr]

i mean, dont really have to bring any of those to do real good

[forest scaffold]

god I love this outfit though

[forest scaffold]

fuck oooooofffffffffff

fuck offfffffffffffff

not my god damn pooiiiiiinnnnnttttttttttttttt

[muted knot]

It's good

[spice gate]

Is that skull the skull from the guy who knocked ice cream out of your hand?

[forest scaffold]

jesus fucking h christ its actually impossible to talk balance with this community because they're like GRAY WEAPONS WORK NERD

[forest scaffold]

aye

fuck that nerd

That was MY ice cream

he deserved it

[spice gate]

Indeed! And it was the last scoops of that flavor for the day!

[forest blaze]

It’s fine for there to be dominant weapons in a game imo. That’ll always happen. Just gotta make sure the other weapons have a solid identity and aren’t piss to use

[wary galleon]

BUT THE COLOR IS Boring so it must be really weak 😤

[atomic zephyr]

i mean i do agree there are some weaposn that do have to be rebalanced

boltgun primarily

[forest scaffold]

bolter is fine

its like

[forest blaze]

Boltgun isn’t that bad

[forest scaffold]

solid b tier

it just sucks dick on zealot

[atomic zephyr]

it needs its own niche

imo

[forest blaze]

It has a pretty good niche tho

[forest scaffold]

I mean, its a really hard to use MG12

not really much of a niche

[atomic zephyr]

which is? i feel like its outperformed by the revolver

[wary galleon]

how you feelin on fire tonight puri

[forest blaze]

1. it’s way cooler than a revolver

[forest scaffold]

I don't follow

[wary galleon]

you seem agitated

[forest scaffold]

I just get madge at people who blow off the balance discussion for whatever reason

Like

we all get it

you dont need x or y

but that doesn't mean shit like revolver should exist(Or power sword)

[atomic zephyr]

oh what i meant was like, yeah those guns are dominant but they're not absolutely metabreaking run-or-kick

[tall torrent]

Idk, I think most weapons are balanced pretty well

[atomic zephyr]

something's gotta be top of the pile

[forest scaffold]

that's because 99% of the community doesn't know there's a kick button

[muted knot]

Yes but it shouldn't be leaps over the rest

[wary galleon]

understandable haha. some people dont think as far ahead so they arrive at conclusion that some would not even call a solution

[swift ingot]

I can solo a daemonhost with my Achlys, it is mental

[forest blaze]

There’s also a difference between the best rolls of a gun having it outperform others and your run of the mill shit box.

[round jetty]

i basically had to solo a portion of maelstrom damnation cause my team was full of pussies and left after dying 👎

[atomic zephyr]

i mean im not gonna kick someone for using subpar weapons, i just buckle up lol

[forest blaze]

The best rolls of a gun should put it above the rest in its playstyle

[forest scaffold]

But yeah, I'm getting to the point where I just want the game to be hard again

and in my opinion, that's nerfing a bunch of shit

we've all had our fun with power fantasy the game

[muted knot]

sees 340 green vraks on a zealot in damnation

[forest scaffold]

please give me back the difficulty by making my class and weapons harder to use

[round jetty]

wym power fantasy the ogryn is beyond nerfed in this game

[forest scaffold]

uh

wow

[muted knot]

What

[forest blaze]

I don’t think mass nerfing the top stuff is a great strategy to make things more difficult.

[forest scaffold]

I didn't know someone could be so wrong

That is a new level wrong

[round jetty]

i pretty much am right

[forest scaffold]

holy shit

[muted knot]

I think he means from lore

[forest scaffold]

Uh

[round jetty]

yeah from lore

[forest scaffold]

have you SEEN ogryns lately?

[atomic zephyr]

power fantasy? i feel like im running on a knife's edge whenever i play auric histg, maybe its just cause i dont have nearly as much play time as some of you guys

[raw steppe]

eh but nerfing the stuff that is very obviously overtuned does help lol

[forest scaffold]

solo a demonhost

solo a chaos spawn

[round jetty]

have you seen how strong ogryns are in lore?

[forest scaffold]

solo a plague ogryn

[final locust]

got any good builds you can share me boy?

[forest blaze]

Rashad noises

[forest scaffold]

solo a beast of nurgle

solo 3000 enemies

[round jetty]

(2)

a ogryn cant even get a pox hound off in the game

thats just

sad

lore ogryn gon smush him

[tall torrent]

Out of all the broken things Ogryn can do in this game you just had to pick a gameplay design that forces u to stay as a group

[round jetty]

yeah basically

i wouldnt say the strength is right either