veteran-class

[ionic hull]

as a general question has is the Chain Axe fairing? havent seen much of it on T5

[zealous wyvern]

but also the most informal

[atomic zephyr]

zealots feel like they just get the eyebrow raise from prof

[wanton dawn]

[zealous wyvern]

pro is very disregarding to zealots

he views them as crazy inferiors

[tiny summit]

I heard a line between my zealot and a vet. About the vet asking about one of the priests checking her out. Zealot is taken aback and will talk to them. Vet: I didn't say I didn't like it

[zealous wyvern]

i assume that was a loose cannon

loose cannon is pretty flirty

[ionic hull]

that good eh pal?

[zealous wyvern]

i have now heard like 5 hinting lines from them

one about zola lmao

[wanton dawn]

yeah...

[zealous wyvern]

the psyker mentions dreaming of two zolas in their dream
the cannon thinks it was "wrestling"

[elder vessel]

I FUCKINF LOVE CHAIN SAW AXES

[zealous wyvern]

before the psyker interrupts

[crude ermine]

I decided to put cara on it just to break the one shot crusher threshold

[ionic hull]

so good pick up from Melk then?

[tender lynx]

ran out of creavity

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[crude ermine]

Mmmm that shredder hurts it

[ionic hull]

hads a feeling it dit

[merry oak]

May favorite is the psyker trying to comfort cutthroat about how the fall of cadia wasint his fault

[wanton dawn]

dear lord of dark mode I got destroyed

Since when warhammer release thing so white

[atomic zephyr]

what's an optimal boltgun? getting bored of plasma

surgical?

[midnight mortar]

It's meh.

[analog blaze]

I'd say no. It's fine if you have Melk bucks to spare and want to try an okay one. I prefer the OG chainaxe over the new one tho

[ionic hull]

ye was thinking if just trying it out so

i got like 10k milk bucks so

[analog blaze]

I'd say just buy one from Brunt Armory to try move sets first. The two models feel very different

[sonic grove]

342 is a bit low too

I want like, 355+ for my permanent fixture weapons

[ionic hull]

ive never used the axes before so the swing styles wont really bug me

[sonic grove]

The Mark 12 is my favorite of the two because the light attacks actually cleave

On the other one you get stuck in the enemy with every swing and can’t dodge

[analog blaze]

The arc of the attacks feel weird to me. You can dodge with the other during the animation now too

[analog blaze]

Arc of the new chainaxe

[atomic zephyr]

the light attack horde clear is what makes the XII chainaxe for me

[rain ocean]

What stats do you want for a plasma gun?

Figured i give it a spin

[atomic zephyr]

feels like it's more nimble

[analog blaze]

The push attack and heavy swings work just as well imo

[sonic grove]

Also the way the original chainaxe flings your camera around feels nausea inducing

[analog blaze]

Damage and stopping power are the biggest.

[zealous wyvern]

that sounds very good

[rain ocean]

This good enough?

[zealous wyvern]

where is my scented tzeentch candle

[analog blaze]

Those are pretty perfect stats.

[rain ocean]

Sweeeet, hope and pray i get good perks & Blessings

[analog blaze]

Omnissiah bless

[zealous wyvern]

i feel like the smell would trigger a trauma from something that is going to happen in the future, resulting from you smelling this candle, closing the circle or paradox

thats what tzeentch smell would be

yu

[merry oak]

I don't know the timeliness but Darktide might have taken place just before Cadia fell or right after. It took a month for Terra to know that cadia fell

[zealous wyvern]

it absolutely is known

[merry oak]

So before or after?

[zealous wyvern]

the indominutes crusade has been launched

cadia is long gone

[merry oak]

So after then

[zealous wyvern]

i mean not THAT far but

its happened

[analog blaze]

Yeah it's well after fall of cadia. Mentioned in voice lines and origin.

[zealous wyvern]

"i watched a world die"

cadian voice

[merry oak]

So at least a month Terran standard

[analog blaze]

The cadia origin choice shows literally rocks lol

[zealous wyvern]

years i bet

let me quickly google indomitus crusade

999 M41 fall of cadia

[rain ocean]

@analog blaze

Uhhhh, not the worst i guess

[merry oak]

Cause indomitus started a month after the great rift reached terra

[sonic grove]

That looks quite good

Except sprint efficiency

[analog blaze]

The carapace is good. Honestly the only bad is sprint.

[rain ocean]

I can switch 2 so

[zealous wyvern]

ah thats what i was looking for

[merry gale]

it happened within the lifespan of cutthroat voice, characters can look i'd say 24 years old at the youngest

[rain ocean]

Don't know what to switch though

[zealous wyvern]

i cant find a year

[merry oak]

Yea they aren't specific

[rain ocean]

I guess take off gloryhunter and spring

Sprint even

[sonic grove]

GW has a weird habit of not putting years on anything after the fall of Cadia

[analog blaze]

I'd just switch sprint and wait to switch the other depending on your experience

[sonic grove]

Like, the entirety of Arks of Omen had no years attached to anything

[zealous wyvern]

HUH interesting. apparently the indomitus crusade lasted a 100 years

but was retconned

as unending to this day

[sonic grove]

We don’t know what year the Lion reawakened

[zealous wyvern]

it used to go for 100 years and ended already

novel dark imperium

but now its still going

[sonic grove]

You’d think something that goddamn important would get written down

[zealous wyvern]

retcons moment

[merry oak]

And iirc the Calender rolled back to M41 999 so we are still in m41 but we aren't at the same time

[zealous wyvern]

oh brother

[rain ocean]

Fair enough! What should i get instead of sprint? I'd guess maniacs

[wanton dawn]

Retconomicon moment

[atomic zephyr]

most coherent warhammer timeline

[zealous wyvern]

so anyway

[merry oak]

Yea

[zealous wyvern]

its because the warp pulls apart timelines

[analog blaze]

I'd say maniac for sure.

[zealous wyvern]

guilliman has launched an investigation into this

and found out that time is not constant

in the imperium

especially with the rift

[merry oak]

Well yea

[zealous wyvern]

so now its unclear if they are even in M42

[merry oak]

That's warp 101

[zealous wyvern]

we might still be in M41

[hollow cloak]

i think stealth vet with powersword is broken change my mind

[zealous wyvern]

banks i know many know this

but reading chat gives me the impression some dont

[atomic zephyr]

they fucking canonized inconsisten timelines?

[zealous wyvern]

so i thought id put it here

yes

[merry oak]

Lol yea

[zealous wyvern]

and also sources being unreliable

[merry oak]

Yes

[zealous wyvern]

most things are records from someone telling you etc

[atomic zephyr]

cant tell if lazy writing or stroke of genius

[zealous wyvern]

stroke of genius imo

but it HELPS lazy writers

[merry oak]

It's genius

[zealous wyvern]

its both

[merry gale]

they have to because mutliple writers on same material

[zealous wyvern]

its used by lazy people

but its genius in itself

[atomic zephyr]

real

[zealous wyvern]

a genius invention utilised by subgenius people at times

[tender lynx]

mmm i really like loose canon voicline

time to stick with it

[merry oak]

It helps with writers so they don't have to follow a consistent timeliness but it lends an hand to laziness

[tender lynx]

thx for helping me choose

[merry oak]

Uhhh np I guess

[atomic zephyr]

loose cannon is fun

[woeful galleon]

Pretty much, it lets you toy around with characters ignoring the fact centuries are passing and most Astra militarum characters would be dead by now, and it allows for a few slipups in writing. After that GW writing often makes really dumb mistakes, but it's a perfectly fine idea with how silly 40k already is.

[merry gale]

everyone who'd want to write 40k stuff would have to read a 500 page rule book on how to do it beforehand if it wasn't for that gimmick of unreliable/inconsistent sources

[atomic zephyr]

i headcannon that professional uses executioner's stance, cutthroat uses voice of command and loose cannon uses infiltrate

[merry gale]

or 40k would only have 1 writer

[merry oak]

That would be a tragedy

[junior needle]

Even single writers have difficulty keeping their stories straight

[atomic zephyr]

fair enough

[merry oak]

Considering GW has hundreds of books now

[atomic zephyr]

(can confirm)

[merry gale]

that's a different beast

(skill issue)

[atomic zephyr]

lol

true

[merry oak]

Not keeping notes. For one thing

[woeful galleon]

Yeah

[zealous wyvern]

do you have all 3 as characters then?

[atomic zephyr]

no lol i just have the four classes

[zealous wyvern]

so you restrict yourself to one ult

very good

if i heard that you did not that would be no good

[atomic zephyr]

its a headcannon not my buildmaking

[zealous wyvern]

you would be breaking canon

[merry oak]

I just use vet

[zealous wyvern]

and we dont break canon

[atomic zephyr]

cannon these balls down yo jaw

[zealous wyvern]

i will

if you die

and get ground up

[atomic zephyr]

lmao

[zealous wyvern]

and put into a neat little can

of corpsestarch

[atomic zephyr]

bold of you to think they'd recover my body

[zealous wyvern]

realistically, i have eaten many balls

[zealous wyvern]

and so have you

and all of us

[zealous wyvern]

in the fortysecond imperium of man

guardsmen can have a little balls

as a treat

[atomic zephyr]

i swear the corpse starch was an emergency ration originally but considering the state of the imperium its basically always an emergency

[zealous wyvern]

we also eaten other parts

men and women

ok

i will not go further with this ALTHOUGH it is fully factual

[merry oak]

Enlighten me

[atomic zephyr]

uh oh

[pearl sapphire]

-5000 imperium social credit

[zealous wyvern]

i wonder if they take off the fingernails

[merry oak]

....

No

[zealous wyvern]

probably not

[atomic zephyr]

no

[zealous wyvern]

we are eating fingernails

[atomic zephyr]

they definitely dont

[zealous wyvern]

and toenails

[merry oak]

It is keratin

[zealous wyvern]

i wonder if they uh

flush the bodies

from inside

[merry oak]

It is edible

[atomic zephyr]

its a wonder half the imperial guard hasn't died of prion diseases

[zealous wyvern]

the bodies insides i mean

maybe they cut the head off

to avoid that

yes makes sense

[atomic zephyr]

oh THATS where they get the skulls

[merry oak]

*insert dark age tech here

[zealous wyvern]

cut off head, flush insides of body to not feed you "waste product"

grind the rest up

bon appetit

[merry oak]

Tbh corpse starch isint just human either

[zealous wyvern]

i know

very aware

its just everything that has nutritional value

including humans

[atomic zephyr]

ive always felt like corpse starch toed the line between grimdark and grimderp

[merry oak]

It's "everything" remotely edible

[zealous wyvern]

i wonder if they mix concrete in there

probably

since its edible if anyone here still didnt know that

[atomic zephyr]

i feel like those factories arent that stupid

wait is it

[zealous wyvern]

no its edible

yeah

[atomic zephyr]

concrete is sand and gravel

[zealous wyvern]

its also

nutritional

[merry oak]

Some are

[atomic zephyr]

how is it edible

[zealous wyvern]

not just edible

its nutrition lmao

[atomic zephyr]

ok go eat some concrete then

rn

[zealous wyvern]

let me look up the detail hold on

its not all concretes as banks said

[merry oak]

Like putting saw dust in bread

[atomic zephyr]

that's not nutrition

that's just "wont kill you"

[zealous wyvern]

hold on let me LOOK

ok

let me look

[fresh mango]

[atomic zephyr]

huh. not bad

[fresh mango]

Im not sure if its worth saving

[zealous wyvern]

ok these value are too high

i feel like the websites i am finding are memes

320 calories per serving

[atomic zephyr]

it works for a certain playstyle

[zealous wyvern]

48g carbs

fat too

this cant be real

i will look for another site

[merry oak]

Lol

[atomic zephyr]

if you enjoy running up to shit and gunning it down it might do you good

wait, no hit and run

[merry oak]

Be literally a shitting bricks

[atomic zephyr]

yeah i think its fucked homie

[zealous wyvern]

67g fat, 2300mg sodium, 300g cholesterol cement

[fresh mango]

well at least i can upgrade this

[zealous wyvern]

wait what

ok wait i have no idea how these sites work apparently

[merry oak]

Fat? How.

[zealous wyvern]

IDK

[atomic zephyr]

where the fuck is the fat coming from?

i think its full of shit

[zealous wyvern]

IO DONT KNOW

the mafia

i guess

water cartel been down here

[merry oak]

It's a all a scam

We are all eating concrete

And we don't know about it

[zealous wyvern]

"Quick stats
320 Calories
49g Carbs
(49g net carbs)
10g Fat
8g Protein
No price info"

this cannot be real

no way

[atomic zephyr]

bullshit

where's the source

[zealous wyvern]

i feel tricked

this one is

called eatthismuch on google

[atomic zephyr]

does it cite anything?

[zealous wyvern]

its a diet site lmao

why would a diet site have concrete

all the sites i find are diet sites

this should not be on diet sites

this should be on wacky science facts or something

[junior needle]

Pretty sure it's a simpsons reference

[zealous wyvern]

fitnesspal lmao

[junior needle]

It's even called soylens viridians

[zealous wyvern]

its a reference to soylent green

an OOOOOOLD movie

[atomic zephyr]

oh that makes a lot more sense

[zealous wyvern]

not simpsons

[atomic zephyr]

oh

[zealous wyvern]

simpsons is a reference to it

[junior needle]

Oh, well then

[atomic zephyr]

does that make us all soyboys

[zealous wyvern]

very old big movie

yes

[merry oak]

So old I think it's on YouTube for free

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[atomic zephyr]

lmfao

[zealous wyvern]

you can watch it right now

[woeful galleon]

"Guardsmen, I have good news and bad news. The good news is: there's a new item on the menu. The bad news..."

[merry oak]

It's your pal greg

[wanton dawn]

"Ah man, he was greasy"

[novel scarab]

anyone know the code vets use for detonation charges?

[pastel geode]

Plot twist, everyone hated Greg

[atomic zephyr]

i know the charge itself is DX-41?

unsure about the code for usage

[zealous wyvern]

ok first of all

cement apparently burns you chemically

so dont eat

[atomic zephyr]

yeah because its fucking cement

[wanton dawn]

Why the hell would you even imply to eat cement ?

[zealous wyvern]

ok idk

because i siad

its edible

because i have heard that quite a few times

i can not find ANYTHING saying you can now

[atomic zephyr]

dude cement is ground up rocks and shit

[zealous wyvern]

but i am finding a suspicious amounts of detailed guides and analysis on why you SHOULDNT eat cement

[zealous wyvern]

that would be edible

cement is much more hazardous than rocks

[wanton dawn]

Well, its basic, among other things

[zealous wyvern]

yup

basic chemical burn if you ingest

ok i have no idea where i know from

that some ppl consider cement edible

but i have heard it from at least 4 different places/sources

who all were not trolls

[atomic zephyr]

turns out people on the internet are not always reliable

[zealous wyvern]

no

[wanton dawn]

Probably cuz there is a condition where ppl want to eat rocks

[zealous wyvern]

exactly not

that is possible craime

[wanton dawn]

Hence "having a condition"

[leaden grove]

i thinks thats just dwarfs

[zealous wyvern]

if i ever hear this again

i will let you know what it is and the details

[wanton dawn]

Oh no no, no need to

[zealous wyvern]

why

have you found my source?

i am so bewildered that i cannot find anything on this

[wanton dawn]

Among other things, I have a 1000s things I care more about

[zealous wyvern]

its mandela effect going on right now

i dont care

i will still let you know

unless you find out right now why i thought this for years

i need to

i hate this

[woeful galleon]

Y'know, I don't much like to joke around about "Lol tzeench", "Lmao heresy" and stuff, it's often overused, but this is EXACTLY how you write Tzeench corruption in a character.

[zealous wyvern]

i dont like joking about heresy either

its no laughing matter

[wanton dawn]

Lookiny back at the discussion... yeah...

I would probably get shot by grendyl

[zealous wyvern]

it was no discussion. it was me telling people about something, then letting them take part in my journey into madness from finding out its absolute nonsense

[zealous wyvern]

in the trenches you get hungry sometimes

concrete has just the right amount of crunch to it when youre careful

[crude ermine]

Sometimes he gotta eat eachother

[tardy wharf]

I...

[crude ermine]

Ye*

[zealous wyvern]

no

[tardy wharf]

Naw hold on he's got a poinr

[zealous wyvern]

if you starve

you charge the enemy lines

[crude ermine]

And eat them

[tardy wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-erm-what-the-scallop-xqc-gif-26935095

[zealous wyvern]

you either get their supplies for food or you dont need to eat anymore

win win

[tardy wharf]

Truly

[zealous wyvern]

problem is when they had the same idea

[tardy wharf]

Krieg mentality

[zealous wyvern]

nah imperium mentality

[tardy wharf]

I came here to just talk about the fact you could use the devils claw sword to have a sweet melee battle with that heretic woman

[zealous wyvern]

i think part of why ppl are so annoyed by krieg making these jokes etc is that most regiments are batshit crazy as well

what heretic woman

[tardy wharf]

Funny sword woman

Recent boss

[crude ermine]

Rinda

[tardy wharf]

Karnack twins

[crude ermine]

And her brother

George

[zealous wyvern]

rinda karnak

[tardy wharf]

The coffin of Rinda and George

[ionic hull]

WTB T4 Blaze away please fatshork

[zealous wyvern]

wtb?

[crude ermine]

Want to buy

Fatshork

Mm

Blaze away

Mm

[zealous wyvern]

you want to buy fatshark?

will you give us weapon customisationß

[crude ermine]

Mhm, food

Maybe

[zealous wyvern]

i support this purchase if you do

i also want the krieg outfit fixed pls

[crude ermine]

I will fix it, for I also use it

[tardy wharf]

Bruh i wish fat shark gave us one thing

Bolt pistol

[zealous wyvern]

true

give

[tardy wharf]

I bought the commisars cap

I WANT MY PISTOL

[zealous wyvern]

what else do you wear?

[stoic basalt]

anyone know if theres an add on that gives you real time data on your accuracy? been trying for that stupid penance for a while and I am tired of it, 100% know I am finishing levels at 89% accuracy 20%

[zealous wyvern]

the best fashion with the cap i saw so far is the black/red penance armour for vets

[tardy wharf]

I usually stick to the mobien set they just dropped. although i usally rock the standard red cap

[drowsy kayak]

oh yeah that goes hard

[zealous wyvern]

it goes with it so well

[tardy wharf]

I got it

[woeful galleon]

Man I do want that damn commissar stuff too

[zealous wyvern]

wont be long

[tardy wharf]

I am the greatest commisar there is

[zealous wyvern]

ah actually

hmm

it might be a while

that came out just before krieg

[woeful galleon]

Maaaan

Fatshark just let me give you money

[abstract moth]

Pretty much me

[ionic hull]

give me a reason to give you money Fatshork please

[abstract moth]

Sexy skins

[drowsy kayak]

I run a "light weight" styled version of that for my stealth vet

[woeful galleon]

When did Krieg get to the shop btw? I've been actually able to run the game for only like, 2 months or something now.

[tardy wharf]

Tall characters are boring.

I have become the shortest I can, just to avoid random snipers that hate me

[abstract moth]

Or I'd buy content too tbh

[zealous wyvern]

that must have been around october 10th

i just got back to germany

[tardy wharf]

I respect this

[zealous wyvern]

perfect homecoming

[zealous wyvern]

looking good

[timid basalt]

What guns are people using for shouty/support vets? I don't really play my vet much and when I did I used plasma but now would like to find some alternative options

[zealous wyvern]

very good is any auto

[drowsy kayak]

i used to use vraks III headhunter

[zealous wyvern]

close up super good

[tardy wharf]

What i be rocking

[zealous wyvern]

pistol is good too

solid

[drowsy kayak]

my voc vet is p much the same lmao

[tardy wharf]

Noice

[zealous wyvern]

does anyone want to see my fashion?

[tardy wharf]

Yee

Show

now

[drowsy kayak]

I bought the vox caster tho

[tardy wharf]

I am not asking

[zealous wyvern]

ok

[woeful galleon]

I've seen people run bolter, I'd guess anything easy to use will do the trick. I've been using the early game laspistol but just because I play with friends and know they will bring the heavy guns

[tardy wharf]

I need one of those

I wanna make a scout fashion set so bad

[zealous wyvern]

here is my melee character

[tardy wharf]

Classic

[woeful galleon]

Pretty, classic krieg always works

[tardy wharf]

Can't ever go wrong with kreig

[drowsy kayak]

I technically have two stealth vets lol, this one is my hybrid vet

[zealous wyvern]

here this is my shouty seargant

[abstract moth]

I mean I made all my characters look like me, like the closest I can like in any game I can create character, same if I was a female so if I can put height I'll match that too

[ionic hull]

Commissar Sanders

[tardy wharf]

Naw, smol

Accurate character creation? no

[zealous wyvern]

oh oh here is my gunner!

[tardy wharf]

I don't wanna feel like it is me myself in the game, or else i'll scream

[zealous wyvern]

he likes guns

[drowsy kayak]

Personally I like being a woman that towers over the chihuahua priests

[tardy wharf]

I already know what I'm about to say

[woeful galleon]

This one's my favourite, very distinct from the other ones.

[zealous wyvern]

thank you

i am trying to find a picture of my marksman

[abstract moth]

If I was smaller I'd made all my characters small

[zealous wyvern]

oh here its him

[drowsy kayak]

hey wait a minute where's his shovel

[zealous wyvern]

oh i got one thats really special. i made him to be the canon warband krieg

[zealous wyvern]

not when around command. no weapons allowed

[abstract moth]

Why? I like making characters that look like me so I feel more attached to the game

[drowsy kayak]

ah no fighting in the war room after all lol

[tardy wharf]

No

[zealous wyvern]

i am proud of this one although it was very out of line for my style

[tardy wharf]

Nu huh

[zealous wyvern]

Jotunn Okrens

[median juniper]

Is that a decent perk roll? Or so-so?

[zealous wyvern]

he uses shovel and lasgun only

[tardy wharf]

I like that

[zealous wyvern]

charge rate should be higher

[tardy wharf]

However

Charge

[abstract moth]

Elaborate?

[zealous wyvern]

charge gives dmg

[tardy wharf]

It came to me in a dream

[median juniper]

yeah, could be better. but will give it a try for now

[tardy wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/military-gif-22903690

[abstract moth]

Wat ptsd?

[tardy wharf]

No, the voice in the rain

[zealous wyvern]

ah here is my alt account korpsman classic with lucius and shovel

[abstract moth]

I love rain

[tardy wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-majima-majima-goro-melon-here-gif-17916850

Rain lover

[zealous wyvern]

i wish i still had the pictures from my older veterans

their fashion was just as good as these ones

[abstract moth]

Most appreciated

[zealous wyvern]

rain is good

[tardy wharf]

I'm scared of the rain

[zealous wyvern]

the kommissar cant see you crying

[tardy wharf]

There is a watcher in the rain

don't go in the rain

[zealous wyvern]

a watcher?

point me at it

[abstract moth]

I mean rain is sooo soothing then love thunders too like rainstorms feel cozy to me

[zealous wyvern]

there was a lovely rain starting as i got home on friday

i would have stayed for a moment and rested my eyes but in these cold months i cannot risk getting sick just before a flight paid for

[woeful galleon]

I normally agree, but my roof's been in dire need of repairs so it just stresses me out now

[zealous wyvern]

reasonable

[unique orchid]

Question ladies and gentlemen, you guys think the anti-solo and anti-speedrun mechanics are kinda jank?

[zealous wyvern]

they are imperfect to be sure

[woeful galleon]

Anti-solo as in you can't private a game unless you have at least two people?

[zealous wyvern]

no

[broken spade]

i haven't really noticed

[zealous wyvern]

as in if you seperate from the unit the director gives more enemies

etc

specials spawning the moment you leave coherency

[woeful galleon]

Ah I see

[zealous wyvern]

or even worse

much worse

[broken spade]

i also hear the specials attempt to target the one who's alone

[zealous wyvern]

SOMEONE on your team running ahead super fast with stealth

and then

the game spawns 10 ppl

but they all go for you

[unique orchid]

Or the inverse, someone lagging behind

[zealous wyvern]

while they are running for the final fight

or that i guess

but then

just wait for them

youre a team

wait for the slowpoke (unless they are legit afking etc ofc)

[unique orchid]

No one waits for the person in the back, i say this with experience as "the person in the back"

[woeful galleon]

I can definetely handle it, but there totally could be a bit of polish there, plus I almost always play with friends, so I can only imagine it's WAY more noticeable with random people

[zealous wyvern]

oh thats how you meant it

yeah its not good

people need to play as a team

[broken spade]

with how erratic the spawns can get in the game, it's hard for me to even notice if it's even working

[zealous wyvern]

or the whole group gets punished

[woeful galleon]

The game 100% wants you to stick together, and that's probably the case because Vermintide did have a problem of people running off to play pro-gamers

[unique orchid]

The anti-speedrun also sucks, if you have a hella team you shouldnt be punished with a fullwipe from 7 crushers because you made it to a medicae station a little too quickly

[woeful galleon]

On one side I really don't mind it, but even so it is very obvious there are flaws in there that could be fixed up

[unique orchid]

Oh i agree with this completely, but the system currently just punishes you for not being in the group, ahead or behind

[zealous wyvern]

even worse

it punishes the team as well if one person is being anti-team

its a very guard way to deal with it

[woeful galleon]

Yup

[zealous wyvern]

i like it

[broken spade]

in theory i do agree it's kinda cringe, but i really can't tell when it even happens

[zealous wyvern]

one of you messes up, you all get the whip

its not cringe

its great

[woeful galleon]

I even play Voice of Command Veteran, so I need people to stick together

Even without it, coherency is really needed

[broken spade]

histg already spawns like 300 specials per game. I can't really tell if 10 specials spawning at once is the speedrun prevention or just a shocktroop spawn

[unique orchid]

There have been times i notice myself stepping out of coherency for a moment or two and all of a sudden i hear a disabler gunning for me

It has an itchy trigger finger

[unique orchid]

Speedrun spawns are like, a doomstack of 5 crushers or maulers

[wet pendant]

what i should look as my traits?

[unique orchid]

Infested and flak

[woeful galleon]

I'm now dearly remeniscing of the maelstrom run we attempted weeks back, and all those damn muties running in a train straight for us

[broken spade]

those just spawn regularly for me whether i speedrun or not. I haven't really noticed whether it was the speedrun spawns or just a regular crusher patrol

[unique orchid]

A crusher patrol is often like, 2 and a reaper or something from my experience

[brisk oxide]

Is power cycler level 4 must-have for power sword?

[broken spade]

really? i often see like 6 of them just wandering around naturally

[unique orchid]

Maybe its a histg thing

[tiny summit]

It makes the main reason you use the power sword just flat out better

Less setup, more swinging

[fresh mango]

its what makes the power sword the best melee for vet

[brisk oxide]

Okay, good to know thanks

[unique orchid]

I like my chainsword

[tiny summit]

If I didn't get a PC4 on a power sword I would use any combat axe with any lvl of BM

[unique orchid]

I dont really like the feel of the axes in DT

Something just off about them

[tiny summit]

I hated them until I had one with BM. W/o BM I think they are straight ass

[unique orchid]

It does feel pretty heavy handed with the specials

[junior needle]

That's because they are

[tiny summit]

I understand the difficulty spikes, clown car spawning just always feels kinda ass

[broken spade]

yeah so i still have no idea if i'm triggering speedrun protection cause special spawns are just normally high in stg and idk how fast is too fast

[midnight mortar]

You can infer based on their spawn location relative to you in the map generally speaking and your distance from teammates.

[broken spade]

it triggers even when the team is dead?

does it matter how many teammates are far away or does 1 just need to be close?

like if people move in pairs

interesting

[main rivet]

What should i change supercharge to?

[echo parcel]

so if 4 people play stealth knife zealot and skip through everything together, speedrun prevention doesnt trigger?

[swift ingot]

Recently started using the agri and columnas infantry auto guns, I’m having a lot of fun with them on zealot

[broken spade]

I've attempted solo and it felt like there were a lot of specials, but i thought i was just imagining it cause i was having a harder time with fighting them

[crude ermine]

Id go brutal momentum

[broken spade]

i gave up causes a single boss spawn made it hell

[main rivet]

okay i was thinking BM but didnt know if there was something better. thanks yall

[hearty frigate]

I love shooting enemies in the hip with a boltgun and watching as it splits them in half and sends their upper body flying into the air with their hands waving

:>

[broken spade]

i was doing it as psyker with a surge staff
so my boss damage was kinda just trash

[swift ingot]

It feels good to finally be free

[broken spade]

i could've switched to a more optimal build for it, but it feels kinda like giving up if i switch from my normal build

[hearty frigate]

I’ll figure this out eventually

[broken spade]

to me the whole point is stress testing my main picks, so changing my build to specifically do the challenge is unappealing to me

[midnight mortar]

Well done.

[broken spade]

maybe i should ease into it with something easier though

[swift ingot]

I’ll probably never get into soloing because My autistic ass needs to have folks to talk to

[broken spade]

or maybe try again but just do non-auric high int

i hear auric has more spawns

[midnight mortar]

Auric just guarantees high difficulty modifiers.

Like High Int.

[broken spade]

someone said a datamine showed it had a higher tension modifier, whatever that means

so auric high int vs normal high int would be different

[swift ingot]

Hard mode twins is basically Damnation+, elites are more tanky than in regular Damnation iirc

[broken spade]

i'm not exactly sure. i thought it was like spawn rate

[echo parcel]

To me it seems like auric mixes in elite spawns into hordes sometimes

but I'm not sure

[swift ingot]

I really hope we get more encounters like the Karnak Twins in the future, hard mode was really challenging but I still enjoyed the hell out of the fight

[hearty frigate]

The center mission is the event one correct?

How do you activate the secret difficulty?

Oh oka

[midnight mortar]

No.

It's the Special Assignment button.

[echo parcel]

Or you get somebody who has already done it and has the skip unlocked

[tardy plaza]

I'm sure we will

We still have to deal with Wolfer

[midnight mortar]

Lower left corner.

[swift ingot]

Normally I’m not big on raid bosses but it was really fun to get this fight down to a T with my boys and demolish them

[broken spade]

arco mentions it here. apparently auric is +50% tension
#veteran-class message

[midnight mortar]

So shorter spawn intervals.

[swift ingot]

We need a big boy daemon raid boss encounter, like a big plague toad, or a single mortally wounded Death Guard Marine(so we at least stand somewhat of a chance)

[midnight mortar]

FS promised no space marines so I hope they uphold that.

[hearty frigate]

I will kill the twins with a bolter

Brwwatttatatatatatatat

Yeah naur…..

[tardy plaza]

If we can kill beasts of nurgle, chaos spawns, and plague ogryns, we can kill space marines

Those are enemies that can kill space marines

We can kill them

[hearty frigate]

fight starts
immediately shot in the face by a full sized boltgun

[tardy plaza]

you can extrapolate from there

[swift ingot]

Death Guard are simply built different

[midnight mortar]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl4AZxk7SBE

[tardy plaza]

Idk about EASILY

We have smaller versions of all those things

But we can do it

Yes, an actual thunder hammer, not our pussy human-sized downgrade

[hearty frigate]

Death guard are nigh impossible to kill without weaponry normally reserved for tanks

Or just sheer violence

[tardy plaza]

Same way that our boltguns are human pattern boltguns and not astartes boltguns

[slender turtle]

Is this worth holding onto or should i just take the bm and get a better sword

[echo parcel]

Im pretty sure in lore space marines can be dropped by a single well placed plasma gun shot

[tardy plaza]

because an astartes boltgun would shatter our arm off

[echo parcel]

so im not sure

[midnight mortar]

Not bad at all. Extract BM if you have a better psword.

[tardy plaza]

and in a galaxy with 4 quadrillion humans, something that like is bound to happen a couple times

but on the massive majority, no, that isn't the case

[slender turtle]

I do but its full on reblesses. I just need bm for a new sword

[hearty frigate]

One Ogryn in the right scenario can body multiple space marines

Humans are uh, not so fortunate

[swift ingot]

Yeah Ogryn’s have been known to literally rip CSM’s limb from limb

[midnight mortar]

Then I'd extract BM and keep farming for a new forever psword.

[hearty frigate]

Zealot would just get stuck in the ribs by a knife, veteran shot dead, psyker would be a problematic situation but not difficult

Ogryn meanwhile would rip the marines helmet off and beat him to death in it

[grizzled pebble]

I did solo with bots using surge (when it was bugged) and there were 2 monsters spawned.

[slender turtle]

Thats kind of at the point im at. Just need the right perks/ blessings to make it

[grizzled pebble]

But for monster it didn't matter anyway.

Since it's all unyielding.

But yeah randomly hit carapace head or unarmoured arms sucked.

So glad they pulled their hands out of their arses and fixed it.

[broken spade]

can't wait to see how they break it again with another cosmetic change

[hearty frigate]

I sometimes purposefully aim for the body to cut someone in half

:3

[swift ingot]

But yeah I doubt we’ll be fighting Wolfer anytime soon, maybe the next major update will be focused more on the Dreg side of things. Since the dregs owe Wolfer a lot for carrying them

[broken spade]

idk i feel like for 0 ammo staves are pretty good

at least voidstrike is

[serene sage]

I've seen trauma and surge do really well, especially trauma. Meanwhile gunkers have been not that great in my games.

[midnight mortar]

Owe? As far as we've seen the dregs aren't organized.

They're just common hivers/citizenry and the infected.

[serene sage]

At the tippity top of player base what you're saying maybe true. But most players aren't tippity top

[midnight mortar]

They don't "owe" Wolfer anything.

[tardy plaza]

bro what

are you smokin

[grizzled pebble]

Pls buff blaze trauma.

It's so bad.

[midnight mortar]

Bad news but chapter 3 is still bugged to shit. So you're waiting a month for Owlcat's patch cycle anyway.

[serene sage]

Trauma seems hidden OP to me haha

Like not a lot of people run it but those who do are really good.

Small sample size, admittedly

[swift ingot]

Yeah somewhat of a stretch but I just want an excuse to fight a deamon raid boss

[echo parcel]

Trauma requires you to think a bit more than spamming voidstrike over and over, so it's not as popular

[broken spade]

idk i feel like you're perspective on guns vs staves on psyker is kinda clouded by the fact that you're playing solo and you get 4 people's worth of ammo to pick up and need good boss damage

[midnight mortar]

The class with unparalleled minds not wanting to think? 🤣

[swift ingot]

If they added a version of the coruscation staff from VT2 I’d actually commit more to playing Psyker

I want to finish leveling my psyker but Spark’Ead just isn’t very compelling for me

[serene sage]

I guess FS was right in not wanting people to optimize builds

Then again vast majority of people aren't

[broken spade]

I think staves are strong for being able to have good crowd control while still dealing damage at no resource cost

[sudden relic]

what bleed blessing should I put to activate mercy killer? going right side of the tree

[midnight mortar]

Nah, FS's attitude on that is misguided. There's a healthy medium they don't like to acknowledge because they'd rather try to obsfucate.

[sudden relic]

wich talent is it?

[swift ingot]

I was playing a momentum zealot with this chainaxe for the twins, it was absolutely invaluable as a risky but devastating source of damage

[midnight mortar]

I will mever forget that the % #s for stat bars had to be asked for from Fatshark for Darktide.

[nimble sentinel]

aight can I use this for a dagger vet build?

[echo parcel]

Could you share your build? Was looking for new psyker builds to try

[broken spade]

i think they're actually just bad at tooltips

[midnight mortar]

Purposely wording text to be vague, using multiple keywords, it's somewhat pedantic.

[midnight mortar]

They have a history of this.

[broken spade]

yeah i don't really believe them

[midnight mortar]

It's purposeful.

[broken spade]

a lot of them are just straight up wrong

[midnight mortar]

They've done it since VT.

[broken spade]

not just obscure

it's a bad excuse

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[broken spade]

yeah it's probably both really
them not liking optimization can explain the lack of detail and effort
but a lot of it just feels like bad localization or something

I understand that gamers optimizing the fun out of things is a common problem in games
Trying to prevent them from optimizing is like the worst solution to this

if that's their real reason, it feels more like spite than an actual solution

The goal should be to make optimized builds still fun

so people can optimize

and then also enjoy playing the game

i also like optimizing stuff

[swift ingot]

I like optimizing stuff as well but I don’t really have the patience to test breakpoints so I bounce stuff off of folks that know what they’re talking about to help me optimize

Make sense?

[broken spade]

yeah testing breakpoints can get annoying

[swift ingot]

Besides I got adhd and have minor autism, I would get bored if I tried

Once I usually have a good framework for a loadout, I just put my own little touches on it to tune it to how I play

[serene sage]

I mean aside from some annoying tooltips, what is stopping people from optimizing anyways?

[charred torrent]

RNGesus

[swift ingot]

Also lately I’ve started trying out weapons I normally wouldn’t have touched with a 10ft pole and I’ve actually been enjoying it a fair bit. Using weapons like the agri and colomnus iag or the Achlys stubber on the Ogryn

[charred torrent]

and a ton of discreet, never explained mechanics

[serene sage]

Crafting is another can of worm imo

[tiny summit]

The rng on top of rng with looking for spare change to interact with the crafting system in the first place.

[serene sage]

Buy the sweats already know about it.

[charred torrent]

you asked, i provided lol

so outside of those two, basically nothing

[swift ingot]

The colomnus iag is a lot better than I originally thought it would be

[serene sage]

Well your answer isn't related because crafting is slightly irrelevant, and I already mentioned annoying tooltips

[charred torrent]

I mean, crafting is directly related to optimizing builds, is it not?

[tiny summit]

Crafting is the optimization...like that's the optimization to your builds

[broken spade]

it is pretty much the tooltips. that's what the convo was about to begin with

[serene sage]

Sigh, you can have loadout config

[midnight mortar]

Because they refuse to believe that people could play VT2 for more than 100 hours based on that premise.

[broken spade]

experienced players can get around it and optimize builds. It sucks for newer players though

[flint garden]

why im getting heresy randos in damn

[tiny summit]

If new fighting games can start putting fgc glossary in their games, Fatshark could have a mechanic codex in game

[charred torrent]

yeah, learning was a pain. im im still teaching the guys i play with. I've explained brittleness/rending like, 4 times at least

[serene sage]

Then again, putting people like Azreal in charge of balance is just not a good idea imo.

[broken spade]

I'm not complaining for my sake. I can optimize and test my own shit. I'm just stating that intentional bad tooltips is a poor design philosophy

[swift ingot]

Doesn’t really seem that ba-

Jesus Christ

[flint garden]

when the ogryn cant 1v1 ragers

[serene sage]

Like no offense but I personally think the guy is a little out of touch.

[tiny summit]

You guys made it right?

[broken spade]

That's fair. I was just talking about descriptions and not game balance

[serene sage]

He's too good without realizing that others don't want/can't be as good as he is to make use of the OP stuff.

[broken spade]

I don't think the game should revolve around the top 0.1% either

[swift ingot]

I’m inclined to agree, man saying that none of Ogryn’s weapons are above chainaxe is the most out of touch thing I’ve ever heard

[flint garden]

idk how these guys got halfway through the mission before i matched in

[serene sage]

Casuals deserve to play zealot as melee and vet as ranged without people badgering them "this ain't optimal homie"

[tiny summit]

Plenty of people in the discord are like that. Majority of people aren't feeling the "OPness" of things

[charred torrent]

yeah, a lot of builds are pretty low floor, but super high ceiling

[tiny summit]

I've seen a 21 death finish screen

[midnight mortar]

I agree. He's a valuable source of knowledge and one important perspective within the game, but definitely should not be the primary or only standard of comparison.

[tiny summit]

No sane developer wanting their game to succeed should

[desert hawk]

[charred torrent]

nice

[tiny summit]

I still haven't unlocked it

[desert hawk]

Columnus vet worked out

[serene sage]

Wear that insignia bro

[tiny summit]

Did my damnation, kinda satisfied atm

[midnight mortar]

To give you some perspective, https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/mppkts/vermintide_wasnt_meant_to_be_played_over_80100/ "V2 wasn't designed as a "live service game", but a game that might capture hearts and minds for like 80-100 hours."

Back then (and I believe this attitude pervades even to now to some extent) FS did not understand why the majority of their longtime players play their games.

[charred torrent]

its a good way to end up with only whales, which seem good until its whale on whale violence, and they quit because they cant stop FtP'ers, and you end up with basically no one playing

not relivant to this game cause you cant pay to win tho

[jaunty herald]

Can someone remind me the dump stat(s) for infantry autogun?

[charred torrent]

still isolates most players, and stops new ones, which is NOT a good way to have a healthy community

[serene sage]

Mobility and ammo (but not too low)

[abstract moth]

I played vt2 for 16 days, 12h and 33 min. Haven't played it in a while

[serene sage]

You can slightly skim on Stability as well but it's noticeable

I haven't played VT2 because I heard it's almost entirely melee which I don't like

[midnight mortar]

I played VT2 during its beta and launch.

And eventually quit due to being fed up with how FS was handling its balance.

[broken spade]

I've heard the launch was bad

[midnight mortar]

It was.

[serene sage]

I have like 53 hours in L4D2 and 362 in B4B

[midnight mortar]

Just as bad as Darktide's.

B4B

[serene sage]

And almost 600 in Darktide

[serene sage]

It got better, but too late

[abstract moth]

How

[midnight mortar]

Your tastes are clearly... different.

[abstract moth]

Like I'm confused

[midnight mortar]

To have not only more time in B4B than L4D2, but also that much more.

[serene sage]

Because I like B4B?

[broken spade]

I never really played much of vt2 cause i started just before darktide's release and all my friends moved over. Only had like 60 hours

[serene sage]

I don't have friends who play L4D2

Would that help?

[abstract moth]

Ah

[midnight mortar]

Don't worry, you got to relive the VT2 launch experience repeated in DT.

FS seemingly not learning past lessons.

[broken spade]

incredible

[midnight mortar]

And forgetting ones they did learn, oddly.

[serene sage]

Also I think B4B was vilified because of the crowbar video

It's bad but not that bad

[fleet garden]

I play darktide because of 40k, we are not the same

[serene sage]

It's also dead now so ig nothing matters

[broken spade]

I actually never really got into warhammer stuff. I just play for the gameplay

[abstract moth]

I mean I saw that coming a mile ago but it was alright when it lasted

[toxic leaf]

i play DT to hear my veteran yell FOR CADIA

[faint jetty]

we;re barack

[fleet garden]

FOR CADIA

[toxic leaf]

NOT ONE STEP BACK

[abstract moth]

Yeeeeees

[midnight mortar]

53% Finesse
🫡 🪦

[toxic leaf]

the male whatever that is veteran sounds so much better than the female one

[abstract moth]

True

[fleet garden]

CADIA に ために

[faint jetty]

i was just using it to farm for power cycler

[midnight mortar]

Haha, is that what the JP localisation says?

[midnight mortar]

Oh nevermind then, you're so back.

[serene sage]

I play Darktide because when you kill an Elite/Specialist there is a little thumping sound that's satisfying, plus my name plastered on the killfeed.

[toxic leaf]

male cadia vet sounds so angry, whoever did his voice did a bangup job

[fleet garden]

nah its me translating

[serene sage]

That's my dopamine hit

[toxic leaf]

NOT ONE STEP BACK!

[abstract moth]

I share that sentiment too

[fleet garden]

jp is probably キャディア or キャディアのために

[midnight mortar]

Ah, you'd want の instead of に.

[abstract moth]

I agree

[fleet garden]

cadia vet is all that matters

[midnight mortar]

Cutthroat Vet, yeah.

[fleet garden]

psword with columnus

[abstract moth]

TOTALLY

[fleet garden]

but aurics feel easy peasy after doing hm twins

[vague elm]

Is the Kantrael shotgun good for wave clear?

[toxic leaf]

i dont like how hadron tells me other heroes will use my weapons when im dead

how are they gonna get them from my cold dead hands if i died in a wave of heretic fire

[umbral scaffold]

guess which blessing ive been trying to get on my plasma gun yoink

[fleet garden]

if im dying, my wep goes down with me into the abyss

[toxic leaf]

cadia vet is going down and hes taking a billion heretics with him if that happens

[fleet garden]

yes

[umbral scaffold]

well the planet broke before the guard did

amen

[fleet garden]

id bring the whole tetrium with me

[umbral scaffold]

YES

save the rations tho

[toxic leaf]

AMEN

[umbral scaffold]

the big man deserves em

[abstract moth]

FOR CADIA!

[umbral scaffold]

FOR CADIA

[fleet garden]

FOR CADIA

[toxic leaf]

FOR CADIA

[hasty reef]

FOR CADIA

[winter dome]

FOR CADIA

[serene sage]

Which is kinda funny if you think about it. because in which case the guards did a shitty job as their job is to protect the planet.
It's like boasting "The President died before the guards did." Yeah you suck at your job you dumbass.

[hasty reef]

Silence heretic!

[sharp ember]

GIVE ‘EM THE OL’ KASRKIN DOUBLETAP

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[toxic leaf]

its not their fault abbaddon deus ex them!

[hasty reef]

Imagine trying all your best and a blackstone fortress turned battering ram says no u

[abstract moth]

I WANT TO HEAR THEM SCREAM!

[serene sage]

Is that why that one Mutant just can't shut the fuck up?

[delicate lotus]

Anyone that has a fun Shotgun build?

[fleet garden]

You will fall. But you will not fall alone.

[turbid wave]

Good assessment, "Cadia Stands" as a warcry is basically just a cope mechanism

[fleet garden]

hiss

[hasty reef]

In other news I have found a new lovechild , Vraks mk3 autogun ❤️

[toxic leaf]

sounds like heretic talk

[abstract moth]

My rock does the job

[bitter turtle]

welp

finally had time and did the hard mode

that was interesting

lol

[serene sage]

Thank you. Someone has some sense

[turbid wave]

I've been a fan of 40k for 11 years, I know what guard fans are like

[serene sage]

Did you do it?

[bitter turtle]

ya

[turbid wave]

What did it cost

[fleet garden]

just need a combat axe

[bitter turtle]

3 tries

[sharp ember]

Lawbringer with Flechette + Scattershot, and the deadshot node. Lets you bleed out specials from any distance, and blanket any group of enemies in bleed with horizontal shells

[serene sage]

Still a fun bunch, I have a friend who loves the Guard exactly because of that, the absurdity.

[serene sage]

Damn took me a lot more than that

[bitter turtle]

having to use plasma, which is an icky weapon :^)

[delicate lotus]

Can send me a link or screenshot of the build?

[bitter turtle]

ya the zealot in teh team was familiar with it which helped a lot

[fleet garden]

I did hardmode with voc columnus mk5+psword, field improv was pretty good there

[abstract moth]

I mean you guys say they did a bad job but how can you fault the soldiers if like a nuke wastes your planet with no warning

[toxic leaf]

yea the grenade reload thing is key for our ogryn buddies

[bitter turtle]

time to delete this plasma tree

[fleet garden]

need a hardmode mission where ogryns not allowed smh

[sharp ember]

can't right now, but it uses Voice of Command and takes reload speed nodes, and typical essential nodes like Iron Will

alongside deadshot

[hasty reef]

Damn ogryn discrimination

[bitter turtle]

we did 2vet/2zealot

no 4 ogryn shenanigans

[serene sage]

After doing it once, I have no desire to touch it ever again.

[fleet garden]

2 ogryn, 1 vet 1 zealot

I took care of elites and ranged dude shields

[bitter turtle]

the animations on my shots were ghosting half the time

idk if its like

just me

[serene sage]

My won game we had 1 Ogryn, 1 Zealot, 2 Vets

[bitter turtle]

but that was weird and not fun to play

[serene sage]

That's just plasma

[hasty reef]

plasmagun moment

[sharp ember]

new soundless bug that developed for plasma

[serene sage]

The bug is very pronounced

[sharp ember]

happens to me on ripperguns since launch

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/dbecfdb1927fef82a0733389dd3ded64.png dis was run

i think i did breddy gud

and yeah

that bug was annoying the fuck out of me

fuck this weapon

[serene sage]

Just curious

Do you have the solved puzzle penance?

[vernal harbor]

veterans chat

[serene sage]

Or just the complete Hardmode penance?

[bitter turtle]

no we skipped ahead

[abstract moth]

Are you hiding their names so that I cannot find them and ask them to carry me?!

[bitter turtle]

no just out of RESPEKT

maybe i ought to do the unlock for puzzle

or not

unless it gives something i dont care too much lul

or wait

no

it did complete the puzzle penance yeah

guess you dont have to actually do it

[serene sage]

Oh nice

[bitter turtle]

Portents of Decay right?

[serene sage]

Well good for you

[delicate lotus]

can dm to when you can

[serene sage]

Sounds about right

[abstract moth]

If you do it you automatically complete it

[fresh mango]

I feel my bolter isnt doing too well against crushers and other flak, should I give it +25% flak or am i missing something?

[hasty reef]

just shoot them more

[umbral scaffold]

[terse idol]

Probably take carapce

Dunno doe

[abstract moth]

Isn't crushers carapace?

[terse idol]

Yeah

[serene sage]

Bolter isn't the premiere Carapace killer anymore, you can kill them but it will take effort. But bolter should eat flak for breakfast regardless?

[terse idol]

You could probably get it up there with things that apply sunder

[serene sage]

I don't have +flak on mine and I one tap shotgunners bodyshot and two shot scab ragers, 2/3 shot maulers depending on buffs

[bitter turtle]

also its kinda sad

felt like there was no reason to take anything over psword in the mission

but maybe thats just me

for melees i mean

[fresh mango]

Maybe im just missing when hipfiring

[bitter turtle]

psword with 25% aspd is too gud

[delicate lotus]

Maybe thinking to stereotypical but i imagine Vet mains to be good at aiming?

[desert hawk]

ehh

[bitter turtle]

no

plasma exists

[serene sage]

Depends on the build and distance as well. Long Shot will help with a few breakpoints, ping keystone can also help, Redirect Fire helps, Superiority Complex helps.

[gritty mirage]

it depends, my aims decent but my skill levels isnt up where the great players are yet

[serene sage]

I'm through and through... average. I don't have the twitch reaction for say CSGO, but given time to aim, I can hit my shot, and Surgical rewards you for taking your time.

DT is fast paced but not twitch reaction fast.

[bitter turtle]

ya

most of the enemies move in predictable trajectories too

im god awful at sniping in shooters but i can play v7 well in dt

[delicate lotus]

Im mid thirty so im old for gamers standarts and well add fact my brain processes too much stuff at once so my aim will never be good

[bitter turtle]

just need to practice

[gritty mirage]

im basically a all rounder, if you want a great sniper look elsewhere but i can decently snipe and fight mid/close range, yea im in my mid 30s too

[bitter turtle]

there is a difference yes but you're not trying to be mlg esports progamer™

difference for age I mean

[gritty mirage]

yep compensate with other things

[abstract moth]

Age doesn't matter, practice makes perfect. Believe in yourself

[bitter turtle]

it matters

[serene sage]

Says an 18 year old

[bitter turtle]

if you're trying to be a progamer™\

[gritty mirage]

naw age does matter trust me, some people can compensate more than others but it does matter

[bitter turtle]

but not if you're playing casually, you can easily close that gap that with practice

but you can clearly see the difference for ppl like those old SC vets that came back for the brood war remaster

[gritty mirage]

that being said yea, practice still helps a ton

[bitter turtle]

some of them are just too old to keep up in reflexes at that level

[delicate lotus]

The overstimuli factor i cant train on of the less practical things about my autism, in areas with high stimuli ddensity i cant be for long without my noise canceling headphones

[abstract moth]

I wish

[serene sage]

Age makes you a better turn based player

I'm dead scared of them 50 yo poker players

[gritty mirage]

like for instance, im good, but duo auric damnation good? i doubt ever lol

[bitter turtle]

arguing on the internet is actually turn based combat if you think about it

so young ppl are good at that too

:^)

[gritty mirage]

[abstract moth]

I mean I don't think age matters Is up to the individual capability tho if you're like 50 and over it might be harder

[serene sage]

I just passed my mid 20 but it feels weird no longer being the youngest in a room

[delicate lotus]

Im in pretty good shape physically but my fine motor skills have small impairment , not enough to be noticeable in IRL but in games

[bitter turtle]

I know that feel 😔

[serene sage]

why is youth wasted on the young?

[bitter turtle]

Always the baby of the group on forums when i was in middle school

now everyone says their ages

and im like the oldest

[gritty mirage]

ive compensated for my slightly slower reaction times now by map awareness and general years of shooter experience