veteran-class

[celest vine]

Its not good

Not 540

[sour knoll]

I'm not a huge fan of thunderous, and would change from bonus to maniacs to bonus to carapace or unyielding personally

[woeful ibex]

Never used it

[celest vine]

[umbral scaffold]

everything except thunderous is basically perfect

but there are far worse blessings to get

[sour knoll]

yeah true

[gritty dock]

Limbsplitter +60% Power on your First Attack every 3.5-5 seconds.
It works very poorly in practice.
You would have to not do any attacks for 3.5 seconds for it to charge.

[celest vine]

Except on shovel

Shovel can put out intense damage with it

[sour knoll]

limbsplitter has been problematic since inception. it's like Effeciency, really cool in principle but....

[celest vine]

Effeciency just doesnt use ammo for one shot occasionally

[sour knoll]

33% less ammo for one shot every 4~ seconds on a las weapon, Infantry only.

[zealous wyvern]

it does not charge while swinging_

that is insane and not at all mentioned

wow

[near sable]

low pen brings me sadness

[fading grove]

Doesn’t matter it can’t penetrate anyways

[umbral scaffold]

anything i should replace on this besides perks

[sour knoll]

Rev probably could be changed, but that's personal preference.

[gritty dock]

Exactly, from what I saw, the new revolver does not penetrate.

[sour knoll]

I like Bloodletter for Monsters

[umbral scaffold]

ill probably just get flak and maniac

[sour knoll]

actually curious, why maniac?

[umbral scaffold]

ragers

[sour knoll]

it has Bloodletter, they'll die in 1-2 seconds even without.

[umbral scaffold]

thats on special

what if i dont have time to use special

[sour knoll]

then you probably need your teammates to back you up, multiple ragers is usually not a good plan to fight in melee IME.

[fading grove]

Devils claw IV can make you solo multiple ragers

[sour knoll]

Devil's Claw is not a chainaxe

[near sable]

penetration is unyielding damage

[plain heart]

Hello, back from the grave to ask if Onslaught works on ranged or melee weapons again or not?

I remember it not working on one but no the other

[umbral scaffold]

it does

[plain heart]

ok, next question, and dont shoot me for asking this

[forest scaffold]

im always here

[plain heart]

Does this talent mean "You replenish 5% Toughness and Stamina for each stack of Focus Target on you and any other possible veterans in your team"

[fading grove]

Yes

[plain heart]

So it doesnt actually replenish toughness to you and your team for 5% times the Focus Target stacks you had before you tagged the enemy that died?

[empty heron]

wat

[plain heart]

There's two different ways to read that talent because of the way its worded

[empty heron]

tag an enemy (1-8 stacks applied) - kill it - 5%*x stacks to all allies

[plain heart]

"for each stack of Focus Target applied to you and Allies in Coherency"

[empty heron]

there should be a , after applied

[plain heart]

thats why I said "Dont shoot me for asking this"

[empty heron]

[gritty dock]

Thunderous
Target receives 4 Stacks of 5% Brittleness on Hit. Lasts 5s.

Does this mean that after 1 hit the value of Carapace Armored Enemies decreases by 20% (4 Stacks of 5%)?
And after 2 hits it combines and drops by a total of 40%?

Anyone know how it works in practice?

[forest scaffold]

rending is an ADM modifier

say you do 200 unarmored damage

and 50 carapace

that's a carapace adm of .25

[forest maple]

Is there anything special to the karnak twin offensive secret thingy?

[forest scaffold]

40% rending makes this .65

[forest maple]

for completing it i mean

[forest scaffold]

raising your damage to 130

up from 50

[plain heart]

what does ADM stand for?

[empty heron]

oh damn. I've always misread thunderous. That sounds pretty good imo. I always thought it was 1 stack, stacking 4 times or some shit

[forest scaffold]

armor damage modifier

so yes

rending is an armor damage modifier modifier

[plain heart]

So rending is an Armor Damage Modifier modifier, copy

[south spindle]

Rending/Brittleness is probably one of the strongest single buffs in the game

[junior needle]

But only if your modifier isn't already at or near 100%

[forest scaffold]

its a 1/4th damage bonus above 100%

so its still pretty meaningful

[south spindle]

Aye

Its basically free damages

[empty heron]

thunderous combined with exploit weakness and rending strikes should annhilate a crusher then

[forest scaffold]

40% rending is basically 15% more damage above 100% adm

10% sorry

And who would turn down a free 10% damage perk

that's breakpoints baby

[junior needle]

Mhm, but you may be better served with a direct power blessing in that instance.

[forest scaffold]

I mean

[plain heart]

Thats why my Melee Vet build looks so funky after the update

[junior needle]

Depends highly on the weapon and what's available though

[south spindle]

Yes, but also no, because then you take an L on harder targets

Which is kinda not worth it

[empty heron]

Precisely what I was thinking about! Looks good

Armor pen galore

[south spindle]

Not that weird, though Onslaught is only really of benifit on weapons that attack super fast

[junior needle]

If we're talking caxes, then brittle from thunderous wouldn't be a good fit because headtaker/brudal can't be passed up

[plain heart]

its not strictly speaking optimal, but atleast you dont have to worry about what you are hitting

[plain heart]

My Combat Knife would like to have a word

[empty heron]

yep But also fun to just ignore whatever armor you face

[south spindle]

Well then yeah, weapon that attacks super fast

[forest scaffold]

so every single melee weapon veteran gets

[south spindle]

If you were running something like Caxe or Catachan, you wouldnt want it as much

[empty heron]

@plain heart how's your whole tree + what does your combat knife look like? I've wanted to test a knife build for a while now

[south spindle]

Not really tbh, though the attack speed buffs are meaningful, only really knife can actually leverage Onslaught, mostly it benifits guns with high RoF more than melee weapons

SAP, Graia BAG, that kinda stuffs

[forest scaffold]

speaking of, did you see my brauto?

[plain heart]

we dont talk about the rest of the tree I'm running a Lacerate/Flesh-tearer knife rn cause its funny

[fading grove]

Is flechette and the cleave shotgun build viable or just a meme build?

[south spindle]

I did yeah, did reply, but wasnt up till late, looks good to me mate

[gritty dock]

What one blessing would be best for this Rashad Mk II Combat Ax in exchange for the Limbsplitter.
I would like to keep Thunderous because I think it is good for breaking Carapace Armored on Crusher and Scab Mauler and I mainly want to use this ax for them.
The perks it has are:
+25% Damage (Flak Armored Enemies)
+20% Damage (Carapace Armored Enemies)

[forest scaffold]

not perfect, but its kinda neat

I'm trying it with the funny meme crits

I don't really see the point of deadshot on something like this

its nice, sure, but where stamina

[south spindle]

Its as good as mine, so should do pretty welll, but if you're doing Deadshot, do it on Graia

[fading grove]

Dum dum and raking fire

[south spindle]

Between Hit'nRun an Duck n Dive you should be regenning stam like a mofo

[empty heron]

brutal momentum

[forest scaffold]

sir this is a brauto

[south spindle]

Dont get them

[forest scaffold]

it doesn't get those blessings

[south spindle]

Its BAG not IAG

[fading grove]

Oh fug

[forest scaffold]

also this is a graia

[south spindle]

Oh yeah, you also want Stam curios for BAG Deadshot

Oh so it is duhhh

I havent had enough coffee yet

[forest scaffold]

baited you with the red skin

JOBSDONE.WAV

[south spindle]

You did

[plain heart]

Oh yeah has the Plasma gun + Volatile been fixed yet?

[forest scaffold]

the charge rate bug got patched in carnival pt 2 yes

[fading grove]

Yes

[forest scaffold]

so now volatile doesn't lower your damage

[plain heart]

pog

so this gun is actually good now and I can even put a higher rank of Volatile on it

[forest scaffold]

I wanna call that bricked

[junior needle]

Euf

[forest scaffold]

I'd just earn gets hot 3

[junior needle]

That roll is just

[south spindle]

[forest scaffold]

you really need both perks to maximize the plasma gun

like

Both Perks+Gets Hot

is all you need on plasma gun granted

so I wouldn't fuck with the blessings

Just replace both perks

and earn a blessing when a better plasma gun shows up

[plain heart]

I run it on my Melee build so the perks arent actually that bad

this was my previous one

[forest scaffold]

they're pretty fuckin bad

you really want both damage perks for breakpoints

[plain heart]

I barely use the Plasma and when I do its for clearing a hole in a horde :P

[forest scaffold]

you need maniac for the rager one-shot on a light attack critical hit, along with flamers(Headshot dependent)

and flak for ragers also

But second perk is up in the air

carapace lets you one-shot crushers on a critical hit

and maulers

flak helps with dreg machinegunners on body shots

[umbral scaffold]

does inspiring presence affect all sources of toughness replenishment or just coherency

[plain heart]

I hope you realize that the plasma is literally a secondary for me

I mainly just do Cha Cha with the Combat Knife

[rain ocean]

So like... i have to ask, is wounding curios worth it?

I can understand martyr zealots but

[fading grove]

Nah

[rain ocean]

It doesn't feel like it makes a difference at all

[fading grove]

Stamina health block are my top picks

[rain ocean]

Aye same for me honestly

[fading grove]

Stamina regen is s tier

[rain ocean]

Stam block regen

[hollow shard]

Please give me a gun suggestion for low level 5-10

[fading grove]

Columnus

[hollow shard]

MK5?

[rain ocean]

Columnus MKV fuuuuucks with good stats

[junior needle]

Columnus IAG is insanely overtuned, but you may not like the recoil on it, especially at low levels with stability

[hollow shard]

kk ty i just unlocked that

[fading grove]

It’s all I use on my gun psyker she fucking melts everything

[rain ocean]

Yeah it's reaaaaaally strong

[umbral scaffold]

Veteran Curio question for endgame / lvl 30
+1 Wound
10% revive ally speed
What else would be good on there.

I can change ortho dockets reward and the other one... but into what?

[junior needle]

gun psyker

[fading grove]

Health or toughness 5% stamina regen or block efficiency

[hollow shard]

Should I consecreate the IAG or just wait til 30

[junior needle]

Ironically it probably outputs more damage than ranged vet currently

Wait until 30

[hollow shard]

kkty

[rain ocean]

Wait until 30, there is no point really during leveling mate

Save your mats!

And create giga weapons

[junior needle]

Store up your resources because everything you get now is garbage stat wise, even if it costs less materials to upgrade

[odd sparrow]

Toughness regen +30% is easily the best

[fading grove]

Also get used to playing with 2 wounds it’ll free up a much need toughness health or +3 stamina chance

[rain ocean]

Yeah seriously, wounding is just... not worth it

On higher levels you know you are in deep shit if you go down a lot

Plus vets has some good perks in the tree that works well with lots of toughness

[fading grove]

Yeah other than for martyrdom builds extra wounds honestly allows lazy play to happen and you don’t want those bad habits to come along

2 wounds will make you a better player

[rain ocean]

Aye, and on damnation if you go down... well... then most likely other people too

Avoid going down as much as possible

Blocking is stupidly strong

As you take zero damage

Stamina is great for everything

Running, blocking

[sharp ember]

i never leave home without +3 stam

[fading grove]

Incredibly based

melee I use is either devil claw IV of standard shovel

Devil claw has insane clutch potential and able to solo a pack of ragers with its special party attack

[eternal sable]

when will cosmetics rotate

[sharp ember]

the troops said it should’ve already happened 2 hours or so ago

so something’s up

[ivory rock]

Aight who I gotta kiss to get auto reload back on exec stance ffs

Tryna deal with gunners behind a horde but my revolver gotta reload one damn bullet a time help an mf out

[jade notch]

You can reload-cancel the old Zarona Revolver by ADSing

It's not fully loaded, but at least you can shoot.

[plain heart]

best part of the revolver

hows the new revolver btw?

[jade notch]

Haven't tried it, I've barely tried the old Zarona on Vet

I like the old Revolver on my Zealot though.

[lofty lintel]

Good, old revolver is better tho

[warm idol]

imagine if it's like a manual thing that someone at fatshark has to do every 2 weeks

and they forgot

💀

but yeah it should have reset by now pretty sure

[hollow shard]

Damn the IAG did indeed fuck

aims not too bad if i lowered dpi

[small echo]

Improvement suggestions?

[bright cliff]

shred

[merry oak]

New cosmetics?

[bright cliff]

I think you swap sweep for shred and that's literally it

[small echo]

Ok

[bright cliff]

actually you're playing on vet not zealot so if you're not stacking crit...

yeah your weapon might already be as close to perfect as a roll can get

[small echo]

Ok

[bright cliff]

my suggestion is keep rolling them until you get one with a higher finesse modifier

[small echo]

Sure

[empty heron]

How do you utilize blocking in a good way now? I used to block a lot earlier in the game but the last few months I just find myself dodging and pushing instead.

Do you need block on curios or some shit? I just struggle to see how it's better than dodging and pushing

[sharp ember]

you basically don’t need to touch it, it’s perfection, unless you want unarmored to maniac to kill muties and dreg ragers

[small echo]

Ok

[sharp ember]

dodging and pushing is still usually the play, blocking is just a passive thing you do in between attacking and pushing to catch the occasional stray hit

being able to soak a rager combo with blocks is nice though if you can’t disengage

[wanton dawn]

block is useful against sword boss, rager and chaos spawn. And to refresh dodge counter

[sharp ember]

it’s a “use all of them” kinda thing

[empty heron]

Oh I'd wholeheartedly agree to that. I'm terrified of ragers

[wanton dawn]

also daemonhost if you are stupid enough to wake one up

[low oar]

Stupid?

Suffer not the daemon to live

It is the god emperor's will that every daemon, mutant, and heretic shall not live

Heretic

[wanton dawn]

Go back to zealot chat

Priest

[low oar]

Pretty sure if a commissar or someone heard there was a daemon and you didn't engage, they'd shoot you for surrendering or something

[slender turtle]

Schtupid? Gunluggers eat daemons for breakfast

[wanton dawn]

Pretty sure rannick was like " why the hell do you engage the twins without my order bozzo "

[slender turtle]

"Cause lmao. For the insignia drip"

[wanton dawn]

That's not blocking, that's shooting

Also this is vet chat

[slender turtle]

I will let you know i did not scroll up and i still stand by my statement

[wanton dawn]

Like moth to the daemon flame

And I am the corrupted one

What did rannick said? Ah yes "The inquisition cannot afford wilfulness"

In other word, let the daemon sleep

[low oar]

What I'm hearing is quitters talk, and quitters get a bolt pistol round

[inland orchid]

They did have a plan for Wolfer but Zola jumped the gun for the sake of “hope”

Even wanted to do something the faction almost never does

Take a prisoner

[wanton dawn]

It went so well with wolfer

[low oar]

Zola is currently raising corruption flags or something

Instead of a death flag

[wanton dawn]

Zola is just a standard zealot attempting to hammer a dh

And failing

[barren cave]

should I go with shotty or braced autoguns for a close combat vet

[tiny summit]

Based brautos

[umbral scaffold]

how do the lads fair against hardmode

[indigo canyon]

is stamina regen worth havin on curios?

[sharp ember]

i take it, very nice for constant melee action

[umbral scaffold]

feels quality of life for melee builds

yeah

wont make you clutch games but never needing to worry about stamina is nice

[indigo canyon]

that's good to know then! thanks 😄

[low oar]

Shout vet is really strong

For the vent section, getting the horde to fuck off for a second while rotating is a god send

[umbral scaffold]

oh shit

good idea

[low oar]

Also because the entire thing is just a survival game, so shout over shield is a god send

[umbral scaffold]

better to run melee with shout or range

[frank ether]

for most of my shout builds I just take precision or deadshot and then go melee heavy

marksman focus is just not worth the heavy investment

not for most guns in the game

and even when a gun works with it its just really niche

[tiny summit]

About to say. Liking my helbore marksman

[frank ether]

like you dont get melee finesse, your rending is very inconsistent, your toughness regen is doodoo

no stamina regen from the keystone either so it has the worst synergy with deadshot

[tiny summit]

I'm using a helbore. Why the fuck would I need deadshot

[frank ether]

I wasnt talking to you

and helbore doesnt need the keystone

[tiny summit]

Seeing funny numbers and 25% bonus toughness replenish on elites and headshots keeps me almost forever topped

[frank ether]

I also have that

so I don't see what that has to do with marksman keystone

one shotting all elites

[tiny summit]

Makes my mk1 at times more consistently 1 tapping ragers, 2 tapping mutants. Seeing like 80% dmg on a reaper, bulwark off a headshot is nice. Fully know it's overkill. Still fun

[brisk oxide]

I've been hearing that zealot is the class for hard mode, you think i'd be better off trying to get my Level 24 zealot to 30 or trying to make it work with my 30 Veteran?

[frank ether]

well my focus mark helbore 1 is one shotting reaper with a spot or with executioner stance

[serene sage]

Since never. This is for the twin fight.

[frank ether]

not trying to like ''brag''

but yea, its doable

[tiny summit]

Well I'm sorry god gamer, I don't have the ideal mk1 so I don't get to see that

[brisk oxide]

Also, is there a build anyone likes for the twins fight specifically?

[frank ether]

bruh you walk into a discussion of comparing keystones

and get offended

middle keystone just offers more damage its what it is

[tiny summit]

If you took what I said as offense, I feel sorry for you

[serene sage]

this is what I used

[brisk oxide]

awesome, thanks for the info

[frank ether]

yea

average vet build discussion

[umbral scaffold]

Stealth vet for the twins boss fight is the way to go

Frfr

[inland orchid]

I mean if they can go fast go for it

[umbral scaffold]

I mean not just for moving fast it's also for the utility

[inland orchid]

I feel like the stealth could get u merked more than anything imo

[umbral scaffold]

Not if you're doing it right

[inland orchid]

My brother in the emperor if we always did it right we wouldn’t need to describe our preferred tactics

[umbral scaffold]

Sotru

[frank ether]

shout helps if your teammates have the slow brain and die in gas cloud

shout focus mark basically force your team to stay alive

whether they like it or not

[umbral scaffold]

Nah but I did the damnation fight and both of my zealots went down while my ogryn was getting thrown around like a doll by mutants

[inland orchid]

Is less slow brain for my pub squads and more “too many pox walkers blocking the way”

[frank ether]

well someones gotta clean the chaff

[umbral scaffold]

Certified clutch that shit with that double stealth

[umbral scaffold]

Sotru

[inland orchid]

I don’t know what that means my friend

I’ve just been assuming ur mistyping sorry but even that’s confusing to me lol

[umbral scaffold]

Oh uuuh so true?

[bleak tangle]

damn.... twin got hands....

[umbral scaffold]

Sotru

[inland orchid]

Oh u just don’t add a space

Fuckin hell

[umbral scaffold]

I got a ogryn

And in about 2 seconds I'm going to pick up these stupid ass zealots and they're going to back smack the chaos taint out of you

[serene sage]

is it a hot take that I think the special assignment, beside the novelty and lore, is kinda mid?

[umbral scaffold]

Eeeeeh I like the loot

It's a better change of pace that's for sure

[bleak tangle]

I feel like I don't know what to do as a vet when shit start to hit the fan

[serene sage]

i mean me, too, spend like 3.5 hours yesterday getting hardmode insignia starting with the ungodly teleporter unlock 💀

[serene sage]

what is your build?

are you having enough toughness regen?

[low oar]

People like the challenge. Look at fortunes of war in vt2

[bleak tangle]

krak+shouting+focus fire on plasma

toughness regen on charm or skill tree?

[frank ether]

I'm just sad that twink ambushes are going away lol

[serene sage]

if you are running plasma then you can prob drop krak for frag nade

[low oar]

Krak on plasma is redundant

[serene sage]

skill tree

[low oar]

Both are massive anti armor/boss options

So why run both

[low oar]

me using smokes

[rain ocean]

By blocking certain enemies, ragers and such are really really good, and bosses, you can literally tank monsters with good stam regen and blocking, and that saves your ass in higher diffs

[frank ether]

kraks are good but I wouldn't rely on it as my only way of opening cans

[serene sage]

back in the olden days of patch 13 I used both krak and bolter because ammo felt so bad, I used krak as ammo supplements

[rain ocean]

Push, block, hit when it counts kinda thing

[bleak tangle]

most of the time I got pairred up with people who brrrt hoard and no anti-armour

[low oar]

I just tell my teammates

I offer you dead everything if you give me all the ammo

[bleak tangle]

so I kindda end up as dedicated crusher crusher

[low oar]

You're probably fucked anyway

[frank ether]

Ideally you want a build that can do a bit of both

you dont want to overspecialize

[forest blaze]

krak is ok with plasma because it saves you ammo vs crushers

[frank ether]

you have two weapons for a reason

[rain ocean]

@empty heron you obviously shouldn't try to "block" crusher hits as a vet, you become grounded meat instantly

[serene sage]

trying playing with frag instead? krak kills, but frag can stagger everything, incluyding crushers which gives your teammates time to kill said crushers

[low oar]

Builds that can handle all situations to some degree are way better than specialized ones

Which is why I'm weird and run smokes since I wanted a shooter option

[frank ether]

good specialized build should hold its own

If you need too much handholding time to go back to drawing board and rethink a bit

[low oar]

I mean it's a plasma build. What crusher? I already killed it 20 miles away

[serene sage]

also this is a lil silly but the better you are at melee the better you are at vet.

[bleak tangle]

I used shovel/powersword for hoard and during the fan phase

[rain ocean]

I feel that it's mostly better to play in a way that you don't stand and go "well shit i can't do anything now"

[frank ether]

helps if you record your own gameplay when you fail and watch what exactly went wrong

so you can pinpoint

[serene sage]

that, too

[brisk oxide]

playing vs the twins on damnation made me realize i was using shooting as a crutch

need to learn how to block and push and stuff

[low oar]

Unionically, VT2 is the best place to learn thet

[bleak tangle]

yeah, this game is melee centric in the end

[inland orchid]

I mean it’s not a bad thing, good defense is a good offense and all that

[serene sage]

maybe maybe not, it's a different game mode with different options.
ranged options this mode is just not great, not much else to it.

[frank ether]

I did the twins mission on knife vet

[serene sage]

like what is exec stance is gonna do in that mode

[frank ether]

still need to do the ''hard mode''

didn't even knew it was a thing

[inland orchid]

Add clear

[rain ocean]

Hard mode is all about control

[inland orchid]

That’s my assumption tbh I use VoC

[frank ether]

what is the difference anyways?

[rain ocean]

(and pray you don't get horrible waves)

[serene sage]

save yourself some sanity and get a group on Discord

[inland orchid]

A lot lol

Buffed waves, buffed bosses

[low oar]

Way more elites and specials, more horde, more twin health

[inland orchid]

No rescues

[brisk oxide]

yeah i tried to do it with randoms who aren't on mic and there's just no way

[frank ether]

I'm doing it with my usual friends group, got them all hooked to DT

[low oar]

You 100% need to coordinate shield breaks

[frank ether]

I see ty ty

[low oar]

And Rodin needs to die first

[frank ether]

so the same thing but higher intensity and tougher twinks

[serene sage]

no rescue, you can get downed and upped, but no rescue
dead = dead
more enemies, buffed twins
it's honestly more annoying than fun
but im also salty it took me way too many tries to get it done

[bleak tangle]

The shield in hard mode recover wayyyy faster

[low oar]

How can Rina be a twink

[rain ocean]

Not to mention the health they have, it's 75k i believe on them both

[frank ether]

oh right, the whole thing is a few minutes long so rescue shouldnt be a big deal anyhow

[serene sage]

do yourself a favor and look up a guide on how to unlock the teleporter

[rain ocean]

But it was a really fun challenge

[serene sage]

you would think

[brisk oxide]

i have to ask, how many tries? i have to know what i'm in for

[tiny summit]

Did a vet just call the twins that tower above you twinks?

[low oar]

It isn't a few minutes long

It was like 15 or so for me I think

[low oar]

I'm just saying but Rina is a woman. I'm fairly sure twinks are defined to be male

[low oar]

With a competent team, it took like 8 while we were figuring out what we needed and what to cover

[frank ether]

oh I was talking about specifically the boss battle, not the whole mission

[low oar]

I am talking about the boss battle

[brisk oxide]

Wow, nice. What was your team comp?

[frank ether]

wait it took you 15 minutes

how even

[low oar]

Lots of health

[frank ether]

sounds like pain and suffering

I guess your group dps was low then I imagine

[low oar]

It's 75k with like 5k shields you need to coordinate breaks

[serene sage]

Imma use this opportunity to rant a little, too sorry
I play Auric T5/M with like 70% ish winrate in the last 50 or so games
I went in blind for Damnation Normal, 3 tries (1st to see mechanics, 2nd death cause im stupid, 3rd won)
4 times to UNLOCK the fucking thing on Uprising because someone always hitting the bells cause they are curious despite me asking not to
12+ times on Hard Mode with 1 friend and 2 randos, all failed. 2 times we got close but I crashed my PC both times
I gave up and go on Discord to find a group, 4 tries this time and I got Hard Mode

[low oar]

And those vent sections are like a minute or so each

[frank ether]

oh yea

yea sounds about right

[low oar]

It isn't like a 3 minute boss battle

[rain ocean]

Actually have no idea, i went and did hardmode only

[low oar]

It's like 10 to 15. I wasn't exactly timing, and that just what it felt like

[frank ether]

we did the normal damnation in a few minutes but I'll have to see for hm

you're intimidating me now lol

[rain ocean]

The fight itself is kinda uh, no idea how long it is

Didn't really think about it

Just trying to stay alive

[low oar]

Knife zealot for utility and bomb set off, shield gryn to hold Rinda aggro, I was on trauma psyker for brittle and elite control, and we had a shout vet

[frank ether]

yea maybe I was kinda memeing

went with the new heavy knife and agri brauto

melee vet

[low oar]

Definitely needs a good competent team with defined roles

[brisk oxide]

Cool, thanks. I think that's a very similar comp to what i'm going to try and run

[rain ocean]

You absolutely need a good comp team

[low oar]

Also, 100% kill Ronald McDonald first

[inland orchid]

I’d be intimidated too if I was just told the details of what “hard mode” really is

[low oar]

Those bombs will kill the shit out of you

[brisk oxide]

Which one is Ronald? Gun guy?

[low oar]

Yeah

[rain ocean]

Gun lad yup

[low oar]

Roland or something

[rain ocean]

You wanna deal with him first

Always

[frank ether]

I got a rough idea now at least. I think its doable with the amount of resources we're given

healing stims and all that

[low oar]

Once Ronald McDonald is dead, Rinda is a joke

Since she's no longer pushing you into bombs

[rain ocean]

Aye, Rinda alone is nothing

[tiny summit]

Wondering if shout/onslaught/columnus iag would be a good role or just run ogryn or relic zealot

[inland orchid]

The sister only does hp damage, the brother however can do hp and corruption damage in the form of his nades and plasma shots

[inland orchid]

Relic zealot would make u surrounded in adds, I’d snag something with some good clear

[frank ether]

unless I'm wrong you should be able to

safely trigger

the bombs

from the edge

[serene sage]

VoC is good

[rain ocean]

Also do remember, you can pop his bombs on the floor to make it easier for everyone

[serene sage]

Rending helps

[low oar]

Yeah our knife zealot was doing that every so often, but it's easy to get pushed into it

[rain ocean]

Cuz sometimes, you will get knocked into them and you are fucked

[serene sage]

the brother deletes shield which is the hardest part of the fight for me

[tiny summit]

Oh yea when I see some bombs I'll just run along the side of them to get them to start clearing

[low oar]

It was great when I was trying to detonate some bombs and a shotgun just pushed me back into it

[frank ether]

yea knife makes it really easy with the amount of mobility you have

I'm still not sold on new knife though

I'm trying to understand it

[serene sage]

knife is good but try not to use stealth

[rain ocean]

Aye there is honestly certain RNG to it all too, like... some runs are just cursed

[low oar]

I'm still in the old one

[tiny summit]

Wait did you mean bombs are now shootable?

[serene sage]

aggro dumping in this mode is just a bad idea imo

[rain ocean]

You'll do really well, then 12 maulers spawn

[frank ether]

I made a knife VoC survivalist build for that reason, I don't want to be the stereotypical useless knife player

[low oar]

One run immediately spawned like 5 waves of shooters back to back

We just got deleted by shotguns

[brisk oxide]

yeah my impression of aggro drop abilities was always that it would make situations more chaotic

[bleak tangle]

is the new knife good? look like a light spam knife so I want to try if it true

[brisk oxide]

but never used them

[frank ether]

Its a lot less carpal tunnel in gameplay for sure. Kind of a slow weapon compared to other knife.

[bleak tangle]

the old knife have some weird kungfu combo that I can't hope to pull off now

[low oar]

It's really a challenge on your ability to kite

[rain ocean]

Man tell me about it, one run was literally only shotgunners, and we where like welp, ain't doing that shit

[serene sage]

anyway, Hard Mode is hard but also a bit annoying.
a lot of the game generally mechanics is highlighted while some others are less important.
give and take I guess.

[tiny summit]

Why do I hear the symphony of my funeral?

[low oar]

I still use the old knife because I don't have an issue with horde clear with it, and the heavies being dedicated for elites is just way more useful imo

I also don't have the new knife

[frank ether]

I just welcome an assassination mission that isn't just 4 people piling on a poor ''boss'' lmao

[rain ocean]

Like... i guess reading this all is gonna make it sound VERY crappy but, honestly it's just a big test of "How do you handle everything that gets thrown at you"

[frank ether]

It is a better design all things considered

[low oar]

Also teamwork. We definitely had really specific roles in my team

[tiny summit]

Oh I'm getting the idea what I'm gonna be getting into. Thats just my thought whenever I hear the shotgun squad pumping

[low oar]

Rinda is annoying, but she's not an issue for a shield ogryn

[serene sage]

the fight is definitely more interesting, that I agree.

[low oar]

I was on bubble shield on my trauma staff

So shield went up if I heard shooters

Or someone needed toughness

[rain ocean]

Aye like, i did it with complete randoms, cuz... i didn't even know hardmode was a thing, some guy was like lets go hardmode, and i'm like wut, and we just did some tries and got it, it's reaaaaaally important with teamwork

[serene sage]

it's really is a crapshoot in pugs

[rain ocean]

Aye like we said before, some runs are just CURSED

[tiny summit]

Definitely an interesting boss even on base damnation over the beatdown that usually goes on the normal assassinations

[low oar]

Oh yeah if you want to do hard mode, do the bell puzzle on sedition or something first

[serene sage]

you do need somewhat competent teammates
this isn't a imma solo clutch everytime mode

[low oar]

So you get the teleport bell unlocked

Saves your sanity

[serene sage]

^

[rain ocean]

Aye, but you can be lucky and get people who actually have really good teamwork

[frank ether]

nah we're doing it the hard way

[low oar]

I think you need comms for hardmode to coordinate shield breaks

[trim hemlock]

Doing it the hard way gives you plasteel

[low oar]

And to say where Ronald McDonald to focus fire

[serene sage]

glutton for punishment I see
it is hard, but ig with a competent team you are okay

[frank ether]

I've gone past the point of insanity lmao

just gotta ring some bells

[serene sage]

Auric T5 gives more per time spent

[bleak tangle]

hoping for comm in asia server when you can't speak chinese is just

[rain ocean]

Aye it's all about the team honestly, and your personal skill obviously, and gear and build

Shields helps, control helps, damage really helps

[trim hemlock]

Oh I know, it’s like a 1/3 payout for completing the mission

[low oar]

You literally just named everything you can do in this game

???

[frank ether]

Also having a second monitor for this kinda thing helps

or a notepad lmao

[brisk oxide]

wait what?

[serene sage]

you also need a computer that doesn't crash twice when you are down to just 1 twin 😢

[low oar]

Just do the fucking bell once on sedition and teleport to the boss on damnation Hardmode

[rain ocean]

LOL nah mate, smoke grenades obviously is the best

[frank ether]

Might be fartshart code

[low oar]

I unironically run smokes on my plasma vet

[rain ocean]

I mean honestly it has it's use, even if i meme on it sometimes

[frank ether]

It seems all the nvidia users are blessed with memory leaks that result in out of memory crash eventually

[low oar]

I should update my drivers

[frank ether]

So being the AyyMD peasant I am, I'm spared lmao

[low oar]

Haven't done that in a bit

[bleak tangle]

smoke do have some result tho. having see brother can't shoot plasma is something

[serene sage]

nah I later found out that it was in fact, "my" fault
my evga aio software updated and reset all the fan speed to 500RPM instead of the usual 2000RPM
my PC was constantly overheating and I had no clue

[frank ether]

Oh AIO software

I hate that

so much

[serene sage]

now why would an AIO need software update

[rain ocean]

Realized that i don't even have a plasma gun myself, whoops

[serene sage]

idk, just to fuck witht he customers ig

[frank ether]

I just do it on BIOS and set fans to a fixed speed

[low oar]

Can also pop for stagger or when shooters spawn in

[frank ether]

can it not be configured in bios?

[atomic zephyr]

just shoot the shooters lol

[serene sage]

I can't, the fan is powered through a header on the AIO itself

[frank ether]

my mobo has a specific fan header for aio pump

[serene sage]

and the AIO doesn't report to BIOS as fan, only to the software

[atomic zephyr]

exhilirating takedown and confirmed kill kinda goes hard as a combo

[frank ether]

wow

evga

what the fuck

[serene sage]

it's dumb, trust me I tried

[frank ether]

like

[atomic zephyr]

what the fuck lol

[umbral scaffold]

All targets are equal opportunity

[frank ether]

I recommend next time you get an arctic AIO

single header

no software

6 year warranty

[atomic zephyr]

man i really need to build a new pc eventually

[serene sage]

not making this up, and I like to think I know something abot troubleshooting given this is the 3rd PC I built

[atomic zephyr]

why wouldn't it report to BIOS????

[serene sage]

anyway, back to DT

[atomic zephyr]

o yea

this is vet chat

uuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, boltgun bad

[umbral scaffold]

Lmao

[atomic zephyr]

plasma good

[umbral scaffold]

The mechanicus busted in here

[umbral scaffold]

Nuh uh

[atomic zephyr]

😱

[frank ether]

bruh the amount of boltgun hate is irking me

on a personal level

[serene sage]

because they want you to install their crappy software
I think the pump does report but not the fan that is connected to a header on the AIO itself (hope I'm making sense)
anyway

[atomic zephyr]

idk on a personal level i dont like boltgun but then again i havent tried it since pre-patch 13 and i hear the sway is much better

so take my opinion with a large rock of salt

[frank ether]

ranging from ''it sucks'' to ''why would I use it over plasma''

[umbral scaffold]

It doesn't make any sense I think it's just zealots sneaking in here because a vet with a Bolter keeps killing their targets

[serene sage]

I truly wonder

if people are mistaking suppresion on Bolter with bad sway

[frank ether]

like okay I realize deadshot surgical isnt what people look for in a boltgun

I get it

but like

[serene sage]

because Bolter for some reasons have ungodly suppression effect

[frank ether]

I'm doing stupid high damage

every single mission with it

on a VoC tank build

[umbral scaffold]

P o P

[serene sage]

it's unusable without Determined (as a long range wepaon)

and I wonder if people just mistook suppression for bad sway

[atomic zephyr]

i have to roll for one but my plasteel stores are looking a little skimpy rn

[frank ether]

maybe

I mean

I use it without sup immunity lmao

I assume it would help

I'm just a lunatic

[umbral scaffold]

Man I'm still trying to make a good Sharpshooter build

[frank ether]

I also take no reload speed buff, you should though.

do as I say not as I do

[serene sage]

it's okay me neither

[atomic zephyr]

columnus iag + marksman's focus + executioner's stance
substitute with agrippina iag for range

press f, click on heads, win

[serene sage]

reload speed on bolter is not that bad

a lot of things about the gun is overblown imo

[umbral scaffold]

What if I don't have a mouse and keyboard

Didn't expect that one did you

[atomic zephyr]

oh

idk probably still columnus

[serene sage]

then go buy a mouse and keyboard

[frank ether]

I think its people having low accuracy or not go the crit route that struggle the most with reload

[atomic zephyr]

shit is a bullet hose

[serene sage]

what are you, poor?

[umbral scaffold]

Eat my shorts

[atomic zephyr]

you literally cant not get headshots with columnus, accuracy by volume

[serene sage]

everyone look, this guy is poor

can't afford mouse and keyboard

[frank ether]

have you seen prices on top mouse these days lmao

[atomic zephyr]

though i also like the vraks 7

[serene sage]

shhhh

[frank ether]

mouse market is going off the deep end

[serene sage]

don't make fun of me making fun of other people

[atomic zephyr]

i needed a replacement mouse the other day and microcenter tried to charge me 100 fucking bucks for a gaming mouse

[frank ether]

I found a viper v2 for 90 bucks and immediately ordered

[atomic zephyr]

downgraded to 50 dollar office mouse with exactly the same functions

because fuck that

[frank ether]

yes I am a brand shill how did you tell

[serene sage]

got a GPro Wireless for $60

good enough for me 😎

[frank ether]

no but to be real I just get used to one mouse shape and want to keep using that shape

[umbral scaffold]

Getting back on topic I just need a better build

[frank ether]

I hate how mouse companies keep reinventing the wheel

[atomic zephyr]

i think that's fair

[atomic zephyr]

what gun are you running?

becuse this looks like a good build to me

[frank ether]

for what gun?

[tiny summit]

So uh. What are you running? What is the weapon?

[umbral scaffold]

Las's

[atomic zephyr]

maybe swap out the 10% rending for camoflauge?

[frank ether]

which lasgun

[serene sage]

I personally think you can skip Marksman for Camouflaged

[atomic zephyr]

which las?

[frank ether]

you need to be more specific

[umbral scaffold]

Ia and the short one

[frank ether]

so infantry lasgun

[atomic zephyr]

ok infantry lasguns

[umbral scaffold]

I always forget it's name

[atomic zephyr]

i mean, this build looks fine for it

personally i'd use focus target but this isnt bad at all

[umbral scaffold]

I was thinking that

[atomic zephyr]

yeah grab camo

makes it easier to hold stacks

[frank ether]

I mean you already got the right idea but you're kinda leaving a lot of utility off the table by hyperfocusing on left tree

[atomic zephyr]

at least he's got iron will

also, you dont even need a keystone

so if you feel like you have to give it up dont feel bad

[umbral scaffold]

You know I really don't

[atomic zephyr]

yeah my lucius mk2 sniper build doesnt use keystones

[umbral scaffold]

But I do have 80 on my 1A for Mobility so I can just be constantly dodging everywhere

[unborn ridge]

whats the best wep for support vet i feel like the autoguns are not competing against revolver or plasma

[atomic zephyr]

still picks off gunners fine

[frank ether]

yeah normally I'd agree with not getting a keystone but if you've invested this deep just grab a keystone.

[atomic zephyr]

support vet? well, you did just say revolver, i like the new heavy laspistol as well

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly i hate the lucius

[unborn ridge]

true its good af

[serene sage]

this looks stupid as hell but I promise you it's not

[atomic zephyr]

completely understandable, my opinion on them swings like a pendulum

[umbral scaffold]

But if you can use it go for it I just despise constantly an constantly charging it

[unborn ridge]

i always go for the grenade replenish

[atomic zephyr]

yeah i'd def recommend it just as a pocket MGXII for emergencies

[unborn ridge]

its too good

[serene sage]

I personally take is that Exec Stance builds shouldn't go for Tactical Awareness and Iron Will

[tiny summit]

The 3rd is what I run for my helbore. The other 1st 2 are just options

[atomic zephyr]

why not?

[umbral scaffold]

Hmmm I don't know

[limber egret]

hey question sow hats the difference between the three power swords?

[wanton dawn]

I mean, have you compared the HM twins build to the standard build ? They do look stupid

[atomic zephyr]

...three power swords?

[limber egret]

i mainly want one for horde clearing as the veteran

[atomic zephyr]

honestly its moveset preference

[tiny summit]

Oh yea if you want to give up some things for that yea go for it. I've just been valuing grenades less and the 5% chance off elites/specials has been working out for me

[atomic zephyr]

i like the mk6 because its lights are good sweeps but the mk3 also has nice heavy sweeps

try both, see what suits you

[unborn ridge]

true that in damnation auric should give u enough grenade spam

[limber egret]

oh ok i just mainly want good horde clearing

[serene sage]

too many points investment
Tactical Awareness is overkill since you maintain near 100% uptime anyway
Iron Will is awesome, but most builds I've seen that have Iron Will somehow don't have many toughness regen talents because of point issues again
not dipping in middle allows you a lot more flexiblility

[tiny summit]

Bruh being topped up on toughness fighting against hordes of riflemen and gunner is a godsend for me

[atomic zephyr]

fair enough

[atomic zephyr]

both will do you well as long as you have power cycler

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly I don't think I could live without bring it down

[atomic zephyr]

i horde clear just fine with a mk6 w/ t3 power cycler

[limber egret]

oh wait its only too

[atomic zephyr]

power, two lights, backslide, power, repeat

[limber egret]

could had sworn i seen a third

[atomic zephyr]

yeah theres only two lol

[limber egret]

but oh well

[umbral scaffold]

This is my sneaky git build I've been using for the twins to farm up plasteel

[limber egret]

but basically i been thinking of using the other power sword as a replacement for horde clearing

[atomic zephyr]

sneaky with chainaxe goes hard as FUCK

[broken vale]

anyone got a Autogun Guard build? I'm still leveling but I can't find any that are up to date 😦

[limber egret]

since as veteran i got weapons like plasma gun and bolter i mainly use

[tiny summit]

With like shout?

[limber egret]

for single target so i would like a powersword for horde clearing

[atomic zephyr]

dont worry too much about builds while leveling, but what i would recommend is an infantry autogun plus markman's focus and executioner's stance

[broken vale]

Shout? I'm level 7 8D

[atomic zephyr]

oh man, yeah dont worry too much about builds atm lol

[broken vale]

well I do since I'm getting my ass whooped in Uprising sometimes

and thats like training wheels

and it's more so I know what to take as I go

[bleak tangle]

1. what gun/melee did you use?
2. how do you play with sneak? the skill is interesting but I don't know the right time to use

[atomic zephyr]

build wont solve skill issue, completely respectfully

use the leveling time to practice

you'll be taking heads in no time

[dreamy isle]

anyone got a build to use with helbore mk2?

[bleak tangle]

also, holy throne, 5 point for a skill

[wanton dawn]

[tiny summit]

Yea, it's training wheels to teach you positioning, blocking, horde management and target priority.

[broken vale]

I already got on an Ogryn to 25 and I'm 50/50 on clearing Malice, I'm worried 😛

[wanton dawn]

I got a lucius mk2 build but this is probably not what you want

[umbral scaffold]

For it i have a knife or shovel and for the main weapon I have a graia VIII or my columnus V and if I'm feeling extra cheeky I'll use my Bolter

[frank ether]

for infant las I assume?

[wanton dawn]

Unless you like to spam bayonet that is

[broken vale]

I do love me a lucius pattern but I only found a charge variant so far hue

[atomic zephyr]

homie you'll be alright, just gotta remember that veteran is MUCH MORE FRAGILE than ogryn

[atomic zephyr]

all three variants charge

[broken vale]

I mean I loved it on a rippergun

[frank ether]

helbore 3 is a can opener

[tiny summit]

I mean...standard shout/exe builds? I've been loving all the toughness replenish on kill nodes with helbores

[broken vale]

but the Ripper also spammed bullets so Aiming was a afterthought

[atomic zephyr]

helbore 3 feels like a goddamn cannon but i wish the bayonet didnt suck dick

its so bad

[broken vale]

It's fun on lower tiers over here

headshot still pops a pox

[dreamy isle]

just looking for a lasgun vet build, been running a lot the commisar one and need a chagne

[bleak tangle]

helbore3 have no bayonet

[umbral scaffold]

For how I use it it is a very intense utility+priority targeting build I think I have a clip of me using it

[limber egret]

i like to ask as well so is 10% crit damage wprth it on plasma gun? i currently have tier 3 gets hot blessing on it

[tiny summit]

#veteran-class message

[atomic zephyr]

honestly i like the helbore 3 over the plasma gun just over the feel

close competition tho

[frank ether]

the trick is to pair it with a power sword or axe with brutal momentum. which also applies to your bayonet.

[wanton dawn]

Plasma and hellbore are play very differently though

[limber egret]

this is currently my plasma gun

[atomic zephyr]

its still a slow-as-balls overhead swing

[low oar]

Plasma is just the cooler hellbore

[wanton dawn]

For starter, plasma swap speed is miles better

[frank ether]

helbore players are eating good rn because they arent expecting any nerfs

[low oar]

Plasma also doesn't give a shit about what it shoots

[ebon umbra]

you can swap into an insta parry with plasma

[frank ether]

neither does helbore

[tiny summit]

Stabby stab so good on its own w/o anything

[low oar]

Want to hit the sniper behind 3 crushers, a horde and 5 packs of maulers? Plasma doesn't give a shit

[wanton dawn]

Plasma can shoot bulwark

[frank ether]

sure

thats kinda broken

[tiny summit]

Doing 30k to monstrosities with just bayonet is funny

[atomic zephyr]

mk3 does not do that much damage unless im doing something wrong

bayonet

[low oar]

Plasma is going to hit your target

[wanton dawn]

Also plasma can shoot through ogryns teammates

Which is...

[atomic zephyr]

dont lucius also shoot through ogryn?

[tiny summit]

It's either plasma, helbore or columnus atm for me

[atomic zephyr]

i swear ive done it before

[frank ether]

It can but not bulwark shield.

[atomic zephyr]

oh yeah of course

[low oar]

Oh that gunner ran into a spawn door because it's retreating?
Unfortunately for him, I am a plasma vet

[atomic zephyr]

i was talking teammate ogryn

[frank ether]

honestly I don't want helbore buffs

the gun is balanced

its strong

[atomic zephyr]

helbore does not need buffs

[frank ether]

leave it be

I dont want it to ever return to that buff/nerf cycle again

[wanton dawn]

hb3 needs a real bayonet

[frank ether]

nah

just give it baseline brutal momentum

thats it

thats all it needs

[tiny summit]

But can mk3 get a good bayonet...make it an axe, warpick or Halbert. Just not this awkward swing

[wanton dawn]

"don't buff it, just buff it"

[limber egret]

speaking of i have a helbore with surgical and high ammo modifier plus fully loaded talents and teh talent where crits consumes no ammo

[umbral scaffold]

Basically people die all right people die all the time mostly martyrdom zealots but we don't worry about that right now it's my job to go and grab their asses because I have like 20 seconds of complete invulnerable invisibility meaning that if everybody is currently dying I can give the team a second chance because I have two charges of stealth that will build rapidly with every specialist I kill on top of that my shovel or knife does a extreme amount of damage so if I need to come out of stealth if I haven't read somebody I can do a shit ton of damage to a single Target

[limber egret]

so while aiming down sights i can get 100% crit hit chance ina few seconds and not consume amo

[frank ether]

I dont think you need to invest that heavy into ammo on helbores. You can take off shock trooper and invest it elsewhere.

[limber egret]

its absolutely hilarious

[frank ether]

If you already have survivalist and the %25 ammo thats enough

[atomic zephyr]

i like stealth vet becuse if theres a bunch of specials harassing my team i can hit stealth, walk behind them and cut them down

10/10

nah infinite ammo helbore is funny

[frank ether]

technically it already does get brutal momentum when I pair it with a powersword

[bleak tangle]

old knife I presume? heavy stab kills a lot of thing in front of my eye before

[frank ether]

Its one of those unofficial interactions that would normally be a bug but devs let it slide

[limber egret]

it seems to work the best since the blessing requires you to aim down sights and wait a few seconds to have 100% crit chance so with the helbore you can fully charge the attack to get more damage out of it

[atomic zephyr]

im telling you guys
stealth chainaxe is fucking stupid

[frank ether]

chaxe is... Its actually ok now

[umbral scaffold]

Both however on the new one the V1 I have uncanny strike and executioner so I can build stacks on it fucking crazily

[wanton dawn]

I am fine with it, it is not broken like limbsplitter

[frank ether]

yeah they handled the bayonet nerf well

[atomic zephyr]

honestly i dont even bother waiting for all the surgical stacks i just let it rip
end up barely consuming ammo because of survivalist aura combined with shock troop

[frank ether]

kudos to fatshark on that one

[wanton dawn]

Me getting 1m overkill damage

[frank ether]

I was stressed expecting helbore would get gutted

[limber egret]

but the memes

[atomic zephyr]

ive been oneshotting crushers with the special attack on the new one

[limber egret]

it all about da memes

[tiny summit]

Atm. They've been hitting cross weapon blessings like limbsplitter affecting bayonet

[umbral scaffold]

Chain ax without trench fighter

Chain ax with trench fighter

[frank ether]

they normally allow it but limbsplitter turned out too stupid

So the thing it helbore bayonet wasnt even consuming the proc

[wanton dawn]

yeah but the thing is, bm was known before limbsplitter

[frank ether]

you were double dipping limbsplitter on ALL bayonet hits doing ridicilous damage consistently

BM on the other hand yea

it was there for a long while

[tiny summit]

Go through a horde segment with at least over a dozen dead elites. Hit reload.
You never used ammo

[wanton dawn]

Limbsplitter was real fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dT853jUddw

[atomic zephyr]

EXACTLY
im always taken a little bit aback when i dont have to restock because my ammo is full

[limber egret]

it would also be nice getting a hellgun/hotshot lasgun for vetera

[wanton dawn]

Note that you can still reach OS on all special atm

[tiny summit]

Imagine below 400 charge with a helbore

[frank ether]

you know what veteran needs

a rotary grenade launcher

[atomic zephyr]

so true

let me larp as a DoW guardsman

[frank ether]

also a proper lmg

[limber egret]

gib vollygun

[atomic zephyr]

i feel like we get an LMG in the braced autoguns, at least the agri brauto

feels like a 40k RPK

[frank ether]

but a grenade launcher to make the ultimate grenade vet build

that I'd like

[bleak tangle]

wait, u don't need to upgrade krak grenade?

it'd still fuck crucher?

[atomic zephyr]

yes

[wanton dawn]

Krak feels weak atm imo

[atomic zephyr]

krak nade oneshots crusher w/o upgrade

[frank ether]

It will still delete the crusher

[limber egret]

the krak upgrade is good for bosses

[frank ether]

upgrade makes its splash damage better though.

[limber egret]

also yes it one shots all of them besides bosses

[frank ether]

for bosses krak damage has been nerfed a bit

[tiny summit]

It will delete a crusher

[frank ether]

its more useful for its stun now

[atomic zephyr]

unfortunately i never get many kills with krak, rarely more than 1 or 2

[tiny summit]

But lately I see the conga lines of crushers and maulers.

[atomic zephyr]

once i killed like ten maulers with a single krak tho that was fun

[frank ether]

both krak and shredders got nerfed a few times now

but I'm ok with it

[wanton dawn]

The only situation where I regret having frags over kraks is BoN

[frank ether]

even for BoN isnt it useful to stack bleeds on BoN?

[wanton dawn]

It is more like, kraks is VERY good against bon

[junior needle]

In case no one told you yet, absolutely not. Crit/weakspot damage work in a very strange way in this game and only apply to the bonus damage from the crit/weakspot hit. So if you hit for 100, and crit for 110, that bonus only applies to the 10 damage.

So both crit and weakspot damage are much weaker than the numbers may imply. You need both a large modifier and a LOT of it to get any kind of decent value.

[frank ether]

you can then follow up with a knife or something to keep it ticking

but yea

[wanton dawn]

and more consistent stun

[frank ether]

I get that krak stun and voc

bon will die

before stuns are over

[wanton dawn]

VoC don't stun reliably BoN

[frank ether]

I'll be honest

BoN is the only boss

I'm scared to approach

because its kinda weird

[wanton dawn]

BoN is the only boss that is either a joke or the biggest menace on the field

[frank ether]

and the swallow attack is also weird sometimes I'll side out and still get eaten

[limber egret]

Oof so both are bad?

[atomic zephyr]

BoN i can never manage to dodge the grab

[tiny summit]

Whenever one spawns and I can't shoot its back I tell my friend "I know what to do"

charges with bayonet, get 3 stabs, eaten because I'm bad

[atomic zephyr]

it always waits until im out of dodges and backed into a corner to do it

[frank ether]

Its the worst combined with some fire if you get cornered and your teammates are useless

its the easiest with some space

[atomic zephyr]

BoN is the ultimate area denial boss

that's what makes it dangerous

[frank ether]

It has like the

easiest weakspot

you just need your teammate to shoot it

[tiny summit]

Some of the places it shows up is like the absolute worst

[atomic zephyr]

the hard part is getting around the damn thing in a tight space

[umbral scaffold]

The best thing about the new knife it can head shot bulwarks from behind

[frank ether]

if your 3 teammates focus BoN it should melt pretty much instantly

from weakspot

[wanton dawn]

BoN has some ultra shit spawn spot

And if you are down ppl, it is the most dangerous boss in those circumstance

[tiny summit]

Problem. Getting an angle on the weakspot half the time

[frank ether]

the person who gets aggro'd should position himself to turn BoN back to the rest of team instead of wildly running around

and team should melt it during that time

[wanton dawn]

For instance, BoN in hab dreyko stair after the event

[frank ether]

oh BoN on staircase hell na

[bleak tangle]

"mobility is a dump stat" have some limit, i'd wager

[tiny summit]

Majority of games are randoms. Obvious solution to not so easy to obtain behavior

[wanton dawn]

Usually you still want 51% minimum

[frank ether]

yeeea usually when people say that they mean around 50 mobility

[wanton dawn]

lower than that you lose one dodge

[junior needle]

Both are not something you want on your perks in that small amount compared to alternatives. It can be fine if you get it from other sources in much greater quantities, like deadly accurate.

[bleak tangle]

do other stat have some breakpoint I need to be aware of in VI blade? or just higher better

[brisk oxide]

On vet, isn't there a case to be made that every curio should stack toughness given how much toughness reduction we can get?

[wanton dawn]

First target is probably more important than damage in reckon

[frank ether]

this is the best I could come up with

also yes you need the +1 bleed talent for this, yes it sucks I know

[tiny summit]

I've been running 2 toughness 1 stamina lately. Most of the mission I'll be untouched.

Health wise

[frank ether]

when you spend 500k ordo and best roll has 71 damage

[brisk oxide]

yeah i was thinking about swapping one out for a stamina given how much you need to block and stuff on damnation

[frank ether]

one popular way to play is to just

[umbral scaffold]

Infiltrate is bad

okay Boomer

[frank ether]

go VoC

and then stack stamina curios

mid/right builds also have +25 stamina nodes.

[tiny summit]

Block? I just bayonet and sprint around

With helbore I barely bring out my melee anymore

[limber egret]

so i have the 30% weakspot damage talent on my veteran and i was thinking of crit damsage ot weakspot damahe

would staking that be good or is it not worth it

[brisk oxide]

Well up to now i've just been shooting only, but hard mode twins seem like they need more melee

[jolly hemlock]

phew a whole 3 fps there

[tiny summit]

Oh yea for the twin fight I'm running my shout build with an autogun

[frank ether]

I thought it was slow motion 💀

[tardy plaza]

What the fuck

Are you out of plasteel?

[umbral scaffold]

Sorry it's the capture and that was indeed the wrong clip

[frank ether]

I'm out of EVERYTHING except diamantine and this is what I have to show for it

[tiny summit]

30% is sizable for some guns vs the other 2, it can be viable.

[tardy plaza]

Jesus

My condolences

[frank ether]

ty ty

I'm gonna use it anyways though

[brisk oxide]

yeah the autoguns really slap. i've got a columnus V with 80 damage, ammo, and stability

[frank ether]

and make it my teammates problem

[unborn ridge]

how do u spawn bosses in the

meat grinder?

[bleak tangle]

fucks or fucked?

[brisk oxide]

i've been running the new laspistol on the twins fight though instead, it kills flak faster

[brisk oxide]

is the VI better than the III?

[tardy plaza]

Fucks

Swap the perks

[bleak tangle]

I just decide to go with VI because i have poor reflex+combo memory

[brisk oxide]

what makes you say that?

less complicated?

[bleak tangle]

spamming light is easier than push>attack>heavy>spciel>lightsomething

[brisk oxide]

oh, yeah for sure

[bleak tangle]

flak + maniac like usual?

[jolly hemlock]

ik its not the best stats but else its not bad i like the decimator should i change hammerblow for thrust?

not sure if thrust or uncanny

[bleak tangle]

or keep infest and replace backstab with dmg against bleeding ?

[tardy plaza]

No clue I don't run knives

I just know you don't want to keep those tier 3 perks

[frank ether]

I'd swap block efficiency for maniac

[bleak tangle]

5% is that noticable on knife huh

[frank ether]

Its probably fine

but block is bad

[limber egret]

so i have that and volly fire ability

[frank ether]

you're not rly gonna block much on a knife

[limber egret]

basically stacking it massively

[frank ether]

you have 5 dodges

and enough mobility

to outrun

anything

[unborn ridge]

guys how do i spawn monstrosities in the meat grinder?

[limber egret]

and i also have gets hot 3 so would it be worth it having 10% crit damage or weakspot damage?

[jolly hemlock]

download the mod for it

[tiny summit]

What you wanna do is go into the psykanium and put the talent on and off and see if it makes or breaks you 1 tapping an enemy with it.

[limber egret]

this is currently what my plasma gun is

[slow garden]

Why crit hit damage?

Otherwise amazing

[tiny summit]

He just learned about it

[limber egret]

well its why im asking if its worth it

[umbral scaffold]

Here's mine

[slow garden]

Oh!

Crit hit damage is bad unfortunately

Swap maniacs damage on there

Berserkers are everywhere and they're run killers

[tiny summit]

Yea you'll be better with like flak, maniac or carapace

[limber egret]

how many enemies are maniacs?

[umbral scaffold]

No no watch the vid

[slow garden]

Ragers are maniac, trappers, mutants.

[limber egret]

this was my other plasma gun

[tiny summit]

Also flamers

[slow garden]

Ragers are the really big important one

That too

[limber egret]

but i should had swapped out gloryhunter out

tho i did like it

[umbral scaffold]

I mean just look how fast I'm running

[limber egret]

but this was an amazing role and its been a pain in the ass to get a similar role

[umbral scaffold]

I have 10 seconds to do whatever I want then I have another to do it again

[slow garden]

Your other plasgun is better imo

[tiny summit]

It's not ideal for dmg but hey. Toughness is toughness

[slow garden]

Just swap crit damage for maniacs

[limber egret]

i mainly wanted just pure damage

[tiny summit]

But you can get that same effect from a talent point