veteran-class

[nimble sentinel]

inb4 baldur's gate 4 gets released first

[tardy plaza]

Sleeping on failure is failing the Emperor

[silk nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-patrick-star-patrick-stare-patrick-eyes-red-eyes-gif-14781443

[tardy plaza]

The Emperor needs you

You're the Emperors top guy

[zealous wyvern]

it is only a game so make sure to take care of your health

[silk nexus]

bruh i have to go to work and teach children tomorrow

[zealous wyvern]

that is what He would want

[silk nexus]

time for sleep

[tardy plaza]

Hahaha

Gn

[silk nexus]

wake me up like a dreadnought tomorrow

[zealous wyvern]

i want to make krieg dreadnoughts

[tardy plaza]

The gap between BG2 and BG3 is 23 years

[zealous wyvern]

i want to make everything krieg

i am obsessed

[tardy plaza]

I think we're safe

[zealous wyvern]

i want tyranids with little mindcontrol devices employed by krieg

[silk nexus]

im kitbashing vostroyans this christmas break

[zealous wyvern]

the idea is cool to me no matter the regiment

but i just like krieg so much

very nice

i hope it goes well

[silk nexus]

the rough riders looking tight

[zealous wyvern]

i think my bf is gifting me death riders

[tardy plaza]

@silk nexus GO TO SLEEP OR KILL THE TWINS

[silk nexus]

gotta do my infantry

nn!

[zealous wyvern]

i need to get back on my dnd xmas oneshot

[wet pendant]

done it in damnation

bolter are strong

[fresh mango]

So which power sword is best? 3 or 6? Or is this an up to preference thing

[brittle falcon]

Both are good. I prefer 3s move set.

[fresh mango]

I’m mainly looking for good horde damage

[near wyvern]

3 is best for hordes

[brittle falcon]

3. Good horizontal swings.

[crude ermine]

Emperor's New groove spotted opinion tolerated

[near wyvern]

Cuz the heavies are all horizontal swings

[copper pine]

It's preference thing

[atomic zephyr]

i mean, i find mk 6 also does wonders on hordes

since its lights are good sweeping

[fresh mango]

[atomic zephyr]

mk 3, the heavies are doing the sweeping

its generally up to preference tbh

[copper pine]

The 3 has a faster activation so there is a argument there for faster hoard clear

But the 6 can block cancel the activation

[short nacelle]

hmm the graia mark 4 fires faster when braced

is this an intentional thing?

[atomic zephyr]

yes

[stray storm]

It is too damn hard trying to beat the Twins as Vet on Damnation

One shot from Rodian deletes your shout shield
Redena just keeps chasing you even with stealth mode
It’s just AAAAA FRUSRATING

[opal isle]

Does anyone remember the old inspect weapon animation for the Bolter? Where you would rack back the bolt and you could see the rounds inside? What happened to that and why was it removed?

[trim hemlock]

Then figure out what’s the best use case for both abilities in this fight, because both seem to be much better than Exe Stance

[atomic zephyr]

i havent run the mission yet but rinda seemed very telegraphed

[stray storm]

She is

She target locks a specific teammate and won’t stop chasing

Even with a Orgyn taunt she chases the locked player

[crisp bronze]

Sorry this turned into a wall of text lol.
After some realization I've begun to take Born Leader as my entry down the middle tree instead of For the Emperor! After the nerf to Duty and Honour where the bonus Toughness was reduced to 50 I realized Born Leader buffs the support ability of Voice of Command a fair bit.
Voice of Command replenishes all of your Toughness but none for your teammates. Duty and Honour gives you and your teammates 50 bonus Toughness. If they are missing more than 50 however they won't get the overshield it just heals 50 Toughness. With Born Leader the more Toughness you have the more Voice of Command heals your team and it might be enough to even give them over shield.

[bitter turtle]

i hope you realize

its giving you exactly 7.5% more toughness

personally I'd take teh dmg buff

but

[quasi socket]

i just press the buttons that help us live

[agile plaza]

can the On Overwatch pence still be completed if you throw yourself off a ledge and stay dead the whole time or no?

[quasi socket]

@agile plaza its to make sure you have a VERY good grasp on basic fundamentals

[stray storm]

You’d have to alive to do that penance?

[quasi socket]

and im a slock jawed, potato brained, snails pace player

[bitter turtle]

man

the speccial assignment is fun

[quasi socket]

if i can do it, anyone can, just gonna take a few attempts and some luck if trying to do it in pugs

[bitter turtle]

but way too easy

there's no auric ver?

[agile plaza]

the melee damage is it any melee or on hp melee damage

[bitter turtle]

hp

toughness doesnt count

[agile plaza]

okay i actually didnt know that

[quasi socket]

if you lose toughness, you can start to take melee chip damage

[atomic zephyr]

yes

[crisp bronze]

I'm curious how much Toughness you can stack with 3 17% Toughness Curios all with the 5% Toughness perk.
It might be enough to get you a full 50 extra toughness with Voice of Command lol. Toughness Medic build? Probably a meme but I might work on it.

[atomic zephyr]

i completed it on a round where i got knocked off a ledge by a barrel

[quasi socket]

what are these mission bonuses? charm rewards?

[atomic zephyr]

wait

dead the whole time, not sure. i wouldnt bet on it

but if you get blasted off a ledge and picked up its still possible

[bitter turtle]

that is a lot of effort to give another 7.5% toughness

granted 3x toughness is not that out there

but

i just think born leader sucks

[quasi socket]

i run 2 double toughness and a health/toughness....

because slow reactions

[bitter turtle]

some ppl shill it to me saying "but if you run plasma with gloryhunter + every single toughness regen node + middle keystone w/ max stacks then its restores something that might be called somewhat significant"

but for most weapons 15% is just really low restoration

granted

[crisp bronze]

It was just a thought I had. I think Born Leader isn't as bad as people think but I do think it could be buffed to at least 20% maybe 25. I just take it because I find the damage buff from For the Emperor! unoticeable.

[bitter turtle]

all 3 talents in that line are meh

so take whatever youw ant

it probably makes little difference

[crisp bronze]

Meanwhile giveing teammates 80 instead of 50 extra toughness per VoC is at least a noticeable difference.

But yeah that row is not the best but it leads to the 2 best talent on the whole tree, Iron Will and Tactical Awareness so eh.

[bitter turtle]

are people premading to get the bells rung for the sekrit hard mode

[crisp bronze]

I did it in a public match without telling my team once. Just to see what it was like. It didn't go well.

[bitter turtle]

oh

you dont need your team's consent?

awesome

i thought everyone needed to ring lul

[stray storm]

Everyone team I’ve joined on Damnation we end up dying quickly

[bitter turtle]

damnation normal or the sekrit hard mode?

the normal damnation was ridiculously easy

[tropic imp]

What is that all about the secret mode?

[bitter turtle]

you ring some bells and it unlocks sekrit hard mode

no ressing, harder mobs

and bosses

[tropic imp]

Interesting, gonna do some research

[serene sage]

as in no rescuing or no downs?

[lilac gale]

Man, I accidentally equipped the old laspistol this morning and it felt so much weaker than the new las

[serene sage]

I haven't a chance to check out the new mode yet

[crisp bronze]

Only one person needs to ring the bells to activate the secret hard mode for that run. I have heard of 2 bells at the start of the mission though that everyone needs to ring in order to work. I don't know the conditions to spawn them but one warps you to the boss and the other does the same with hard mode enabled. If I had to guess the first needs everyone to have beaten the mission once, and the second needs everyone to have attempted hard mode once. But I don't know for sure.

[bitter turtle]

no rescuing i think\

the mission itself is cool

jsut need it to be harder

the basic damnation one was

kinda sad

our dmg scores were like 200k at the highest lol

at the end

[serene sage]

can I also ask if it's a new map or just your normal torrent but with added shenanigans?

[bitter turtle]

barely any spawns

its the old map but with a new path to a new area

[serene sage]

that's a bit pitiful :<

[bitter turtle]

we've never gone through said area before in any old map

and its new environments in said area

[serene sage]

oh sick

[bitter turtle]

it starts looking the same but you go through a new path

ya

its pretty cool

I liked it a lot

[serene sage]

im sure it will make its way to normal rotation at some point

[bitter turtle]

ya for sure

there's no way they modelled this stuff for 1(one) mission only

lol

time limited no less

[serene sage]

would be cool if it's seasonal

[quasi socket]

it was fun, definitely a change up

[serene sage]

like a few times a year it would pop up

but normal rotation is just simpler

[crisp bronze]

Secret hard mode buffs the Twins with extra health and (maybe?) extra damage. Harder and more frequent waves of Elites spawn like Scab Ragers and Maulers. More Specials spawn as well like Flamers, Trappers, Dogs etc. The final and most brutal effect is that if you die you cannot be rezzed, the totem is placed in a jail cell that can't be opened.

[serene sage]

how obscure is it to unlock the mode?

[crisp bronze]

Not super difficult. There's seven bells around the map you need to ring a certain amount of times each.
Here's a link to a steam guide on it: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2995700310

[gray star]

I'm getting my ass beat in the secret hard mode lmao

Normal damnatian was ok but this is brutal

[crisp bronze]

Yeah it's rough.

[serene sage]

I'm curious now haha. I suspect a lot of the more casual crowd would attempt it, too, due to the rewards so pugs quality might go down as well

[crisp bronze]

As far as I'm aware the only reward is a new charm. So bragging rights essentially.

[static timber]

is the replenish grenade perk broken?

or is just me?

def did not replenish any grenades that entire game

[tall torrent]

What are the rewards

[gray star]

Any tips for secret hard mode? Haven't found anyone with the charm for beating it yet

[crisp bronze]

As far as I know, no. They should both be functioning. They both work for me anyway.

[barren cave]

I dont feel like aiming anymore with vet, is there like a close combat set up

[serene sage]

new insignia

3 tiers

looks okay

[tall torrent]

Hmm 3 tiers?

[static timber]

Hmm okay thank you for responding. I will try resetting my tree - maybe that will shake something loose on my end

demolition stockpile is the one I have

[bitter turtle]

kinda wish it was something more significant than the insignia tho

lol

[serene sage]

check out the link aquarius posted above on how to unlock the mode, the rewards are posted below as well

[bitter turtle]

that's so whatever

i thought it was a charm at first

😔

[serene sage]

at least let us have a skin recolor lmao

like just a new color for your basic ass docket skins

[bitter turtle]

honeslty though

kinda dont like this bell shit

i dont wanna be looking at a guide on my other window while playing darktide lol

[serene sage]

how would you even find that without a guide

[bitter turtle]

its not really a game i can just sit my ass and look at another window for 15 seconds on

[serene sage]

is there a significance to the sequence?

[bitter turtle]

no clue

its cute and all

but really

should have just been "auric mode" as a button lol

[serene sage]

Nade regen should have a buff (green grenade icon) that ticks up while you are regening. If you don't see this buff active when you are regening (it would not show at full nade capacity obviously), it's either bugged or you didn't actually pick it up at all (happened to me once).

[crisp bronze]

After the room that teaches you the gas mechanic in the boss fight there are a bunch of numbers on the wall. It wouldn't be weird if they were all 7 (nurgles holy number) but this was an assortment of numbers starting with 3. People already found the first bell and knew it made a noise after 3 hits. Put 2 and 2 together and bam secret solved.

[serene sage]

okay that's cool. i guess that is enough clues

[tall torrent]

Is the orthus offensive a time limited mode?

[hearty frigate]

I love using the boltgun because everytime i shoot someone I guarantee that their funeral casket will be a bucket

[serene sage]

probably, lore wise it would be funny to keep killing this poor set of twins forever, but unlikley

[serene sage]

do not post your opinions on Reddit, they will tear you apart.

[hearty frigate]

Find out which likes the other sibling the most, then kill their sibling brutally infront of them, then proceed to kill them in a more horrific manner

[eternal depot]

from the sound of it, the melee sibling is more sadistic

[hearty frigate]

It’s about sending a message

[hearty frigate]

right so kill him first and make the other watch then kill her too

[hearty frigate]

And why is that?

[lofty lintel]

Reddit is like the immaterium of the internet

[hearty frigate]

That’s one way to put it

[sand hemlock]

reddit for some reason thinks that the bolter is the worst weapon in existence and needs to one shot every enemy in the game and also make you immortal

[crisp bronze]

I don't know if this is exactly true but it seems correct in my experience that the sword twins shield is weak to ranged and ranged twins shield is weak to melee. I haven't fought them enough to know for sure though. Might be the warp affecting my head.

[hearty frigate]

I mean, it basically does that already

[serene sage]

They are really funny for memes. But balance discussions are always a shit show due to severe skill issues.

[hearty frigate]

Granted the ammo nerf offends me but I still find ammo commonly enough to only spook me at times

[serene sage]

We have people thinking Revolver is weak unironically, Vets need more buffs, etc.

[rough holly]

What weapon has good potiential suppression for veteran?

[rough holly]

ranged weapon*

[serene sage]

The current take is that Boltgun is dogshit and should be revolver with 15 rounds

[hearty frigate]

Anything with high ammo

[tribal tinsel]

How

[rough holly]

what weapon has the highest ammo capacity rn?

[serene sage]

Reddit

[tiny summit]

I see no mention of that for the update. So far feels like one of the first proper missions that serves as a way to carry the "plot" forward.

[tall torrent]

Nice

[tiny summit]

Fatshark probably experimenting now that the main gameplay of the classes are in a good place

[hearty frigate]

I think anyone who mains boltgun would want that without question

Same with anyone who mains zealot would want without question to always be in their rage perk

And same with ogryn players wanting without question to have infinite mega bombs

[serene sage]

I main the Bolt, it needs a slight buff but not to that extend

[hearty frigate]

You get the gist: everyone would want without question to have an insane buff

But currently I think bolter is fine, but I would like more ammo

Like it previously did, 120(?) backup shots rather than 80

[serene sage]

ironically its the opposite

there are a few threads on reddit right now about the bolt, if you read through it quickly
there are 2 kinds of answers, the ones who don't use it (at least not since patch 13 due to PF/Sustained Fire nerfs) are crying to have their brainless mag dumper back and advocate for extreme buffs
the ones who actually use it think it's mostly fine and just need a little QoL buff

[tiny summit]

Draw speed, ammo and maybe just maybe a lil more stability/less sway with a good stability roll. I want bolter to feel chunky but also I dislike how easy plasma is to use in comparison

[serene sage]

like they would have the strongest opinion and then if you press them, they will say oh I actually haven't played it since patch 13

I am not making this up because I am the first hand witness, they told me

[hearty frigate]

We need a lighter boltgun

[serene sage]

so, basically, just Reddit

[tiny summit]

Or innate terrifying barrage on kill target location on gib crit kill

[hearty frigate]

💀

[tiny summit]

I just turned your buddy into a bloody mist. I want everyone around the former heretic to be terrified

[hearty frigate]

You’ll need an air filter to clean up his remains

[modern crescent]

[hearty frigate]

We should have two Boltguns though

A lighter one and the current hehe PLOMP-

[serene sage]

Ngl i want a Heavy Boltgun

[somber sable]

how do yall even deal with the karnak twins?

[serene sage]

Harder stronger slower clunkier

[hearty frigate]

You could take the current spearhead bolter and buff the hell out of its damage and other offensive stats, while decreasing mag capacity and stuff to compensate

[somber sable]

I'm trying to do it on damnation and I simply cannot deal with 40+ maulers and one of the twins at the same time with my swuishy 150hp

[hearty frigate]

Then add another bolter that is smaller and overall an opposite

[serene sage]

I want recoil so strong your character backflip after every shot

[hearty frigate]

I would like more recoil tho

[serene sage]

If you don't get motion sickness by the end you are playing it wrong

[hearty frigate]

And the sound effects to be more thunderous

I wonder why you can’t have a stock on a boltgun 🤔

Gun control laws?

Ban on assault-bolters?

[serene sage]

Not sure what the lore reason is tbh

[barren cave]

because the omnissiah wants everyone to know you deserve a broken spine if you cant handle a boltgun recoil

[hearty frigate]

I mean some do but many don’t

[serene sage]

Allegedly people who regularly use Boltgun in lore also wear power armor

So they don't need stock

And those who don't use bolt pistols instead

But someone correct me if I'm wrong

[hearty frigate]

So the spearhead boltgun is technically lorebreak?

[south spindle]

Honestly that mission is so easy compared to the average right up until the bossfight you really can tab out an check how many times you need to ding the bell

Enemy density is what i would imagine T1 is like lol

[hearty frigate]

Wait no, Murder nuns

I forgot them

[serene sage]

It's an old space police version and those people do wear power armor

Adeptus Arbites are humans

[hearty frigate]

Mhm

Y’know what we should’ve had as a feature all along?

[serene sage]

They are the judge dredd looking dudes

[lean light]

Counterpoint

[hearty frigate]

Wielding a pistol let’s you also wield a melee but you only gain access to basic attacks

[lean light]

Cadian sgt with boltgun

Argument demolished

[serene sage]

Nah I'm not saying in absolute

I'm trying to explain why Boltgun don't have stock

[brittle falcon]

adeptus arbites? That's not power armor they're wearing.

[serene sage]

Instead of oh normal humans can't use them

[hearty frigate]

That boltgun has one

[serene sage]

They can

[hearty frigate]

Yuh

[barren cave]

boltguns are much rarer in the militarum than lasguns yes

[hearty frigate]

I’m aware

[serene sage]

They don't have stock because the users usually don't need one

[hearty frigate]

But I wonder why the human version doesn’t have a stock

[barren cave]

because techpriests are slacking

[hearty frigate]

Extremely rare*

[barren cave]

too lazy to make one with a stock for regular hoomies

[serene sage]

I'm replying to someone else 😁

[ebon umbra]

add catboy as a vet subclass oWo

[hearty frigate]

Unlike a laser who’s only logistics consist of more battery cases and spare rifles

A boltgun needs annoying things like ammunition, magazines, oils and spare parts

Boltguns like the spearhead would probably only be used by upper elite of hive worlds or inquisitors/super funded military forces

[brittle falcon]

So do lasguns, apparently.

[hearty frigate]

Or murder nuns but they use a different variant and have their own supply chains

[barren cave]

boltguns also require very high regular maintenance and cleaning, which works for the space marines as a hobby, but I guess the militarum has other stuff on their mind

[hearty frigate]

Yeah, like having a gun that doesn’t have a giant hole in it asking for mud and dirt to fall into

[jade notch]

You can ring the Bells on, like, Diff 2 then finish the Mission and then come back on your Damnation Run ||to do the proper run because now you have access to the Teleporter altar at the start of the Diff 5 run to shove you straight to the Boss Fight. Which you do by ringing the bell on the right once per teammate.||

[serene sage]

Can you justify a storm bolter for our operatives though

[barren cave]

can they even use a storm bolter

[serene sage]

Idk, that's why I'm asking

[barren cave]

idk either

maybe pogryn can

[hearty frigate]

Lasgun only has like, three(?) moving parts

Trigger
Safety/fire mode
Adjustable stock (sometimes, rarely)

[barren cave]

hoomies do use storm bolters, but those are all mounted afaik

[serene sage]

Mount it on an Ogryn

[atomic zephyr]

recoil on the locke boltgun we have is already crazy i dont even wanna think about a storm boltgun

[hearty frigate]

Give an Ogryn a storm bolter

[serene sage]

Let's fking go

[barren cave]

pogryn has op latrine shovel, latrine shovel>storm bolter

[muted knot]

Storm bolter on ogryns would be mad

[hearty frigate]

What if veteran got an rpg style weapon which only shoots two heavy bolter rounds before reloading

[serene sage]

No no you mount it on them like a turret

The move you shoot

[hearty frigate]

Wouldn’t work

Heavy bolters need several people to lug around

[barren cave]

just give them one thats mounted on their arm

[serene sage]

We Grey Knights now boys

[hearty frigate]

And heavy bolters are a massive shell, it’s literally an RPG

[hearty frigate]

so a heavy bolter could actually be used in an rpg/recoilless rifle and still make sense for damage output

[rugged portal]

Imperial Guard do just jave a grenade launcher. I'd prefer to just have that.

[serene sage]

Allegedly Ogryns are physically stronger than some space marines

[hearty frigate]

Conclusion: give veteran a SPNKR that shoots two heavy bolter shots

[barren cave]

ogryns are stronger physically

[serene sage]

So Ogryns can probably carry a storm bolter on their back

[barren cave]

marines are just smarter, quicker, trained, equpped etc

[tiny summit]

Is there a scoreboard plugin that tracks toughness regen?

[hearty frigate]

Ogryns are very capable at beating an armored space marine to death with their bare hands, they’re beyond stronger

[barren cave]

ogryn with latrine shovel vs swarmlord when

[hearty frigate]

Nah he could wield it

[nimble sentinel]

canonically stronger than a space marine, an ogryn can definitely use a storm bolter

[hearty frigate]

That poor stormlord, the ogryn was promised lobster tonight if he kills it

[serene sage]

so just make it like chogall from Heroes of the Storm

2 people controlling the same char

they move, you shoot

[rugged portal]

Yeah, there's stories about armored ogryn kicking the shit out of marines. Ogryn are stronger by a decent margin.

[tiny summit]

De speshel bug rashuns, I like dem

[nimble sentinel]

they are also much dumber, it is a good idea to not give them storm bolters

[barren cave]

theres probably some fun stories about ogryns beating up chaos marines somewhere

[hearty frigate]

An ogryn in melee combat can win through sheer violence that it can put out, aided by far superior strength

[serene sage]

the guards beat up chaos sometimes, im sure somewhere at some point some ogryn beat up som CSM

[hearty frigate]

Many forget that a ogryn fighting anything is one of the most traumatic and violent things to witness

[serene sage]

40k is so vast some faction probably asswhoop another at somepoint

[barren cave]

yeah but the guards use all dem guns, ogryns just fisticuffs

[tiny summit]

Isn't it there were ogryns who were fooled into joining chaos because they thought they were fighting for the emperor and had to fight other ogryns who were fighting for the emperor?

[hearty frigate]

They’re vicious as hell and their strength only makes them more deadly

[rugged portal]

Well, cannonically, the reason Rippers are rapid fire is because Ogryn would just hold down the trigger until its empty in 5 seconds. They just like to spray bullets randomly.

[nimble sentinel]

except for the tau

[serene sage]

don't the Tau take Ls all the time?

[nimble sentinel]

exactly

[barren cave]

to be fair, it probably takes nothing for an ogryn to join chaos

[nimble sentinel]

get bent fish weebs

[serene sage]

lol

tbf Chaos is also beaten up a lot, being the bad guy and all

[tiny summit]

Funny noise maker

[serene sage]

even Cadia, an alleged Chaos victory, is still spun to somehow be an Imperium victory

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nimble sentinel]

this is 40k, we're ALL the bad guys

[serene sage]

I am not

[hearty frigate]

Chaos is a joke and nobody is laughing because of how bad it is

[barren cave]

if you died on cadia, u were a good guy

[serene sage]

I am killing Xenos, Mutants, and Heretics like the god empreror comamnded

[nimble sentinel]

Commissar be like

[crisp bronze]

Just beat the Orthus Offensive on Damnation for the first time. Fun fight. Very hectic. Now I want to try and beat Hard Mode.

[serene sage]

I want o try that 😔

[crisp bronze]

Probably need a team for that though.

[serene sage]

Is it that hard (hard mode I mean)

[barren cave]

its harddd

[serene sage]

I heard normal Damn is a bit underwhelming

[nimble sentinel]

is there any bonus reward from hard mode?

[bitter turtle]

i th8ink no rescues sounds like the hardest part of it

think*

[barren cave]

its hard because of the adds

[bitter turtle]

havent tried it yet though

and yes normal damn is definitely a bit underwhelming if your usual stuff is auric/auric maels

[barren cave]

bosses are manageable, but the add spawn on secret mode is kinda hard

[serene sage]

well didn't you say normal damn netting 200k damage near the end?

[bitter turtle]

ya

its just really meh spawns in normal damn

[serene sage]

that's like your average single event in Auric T5

[bitter turtle]

200k per person

mind you

not across the team

[serene sage]

oh

[bitter turtle]

lol

[serene sage]

well, still

[bitter turtle]

yeah still its pretty low key

200k was the highest too

[serene sage]

usually I net at least 500k+ by myself

[bitter turtle]

2 ppl were 100k

so the mob desnity is just lowkey

its very story focused

there's a lot of dialogue going on

[serene sage]

not a bad thing ig

[bitter turtle]

so i figure they probably didnt want to overwhelm ppl to thep oint wehre they cant read

lol

[serene sage]

excited for that, too. something different other than the meat grinder

[jade notch]

It's also a way to tutorialize the actual boss fight, tbh

[nimble sentinel]

anyone got numbers on profit/time on the new missions compared to quickplay?

[serene sage]

well if you are interested, I would love to try tonight. figured premade would make unlocking/trying slightly better

[bitter turtle]

ill join if im there

im very busy today tho unfortunately

job shit lol

[serene sage]

cool, ill trying pinging, no problem if not

[serene sage]

imagine adulting 😔

[bitter turtle]

i know right

[serene sage]

can't be me slacking at work rn

def not

[bitter turtle]

lol

sucks for me since my job is something I can't even slack at sadly

[serene sage]

:<

[jade notch]

Mood 😔

[serene sage]

so they are really living up to the live service game at least

took a while but i guess we can call this the game first event?

with seemingly many to come

[noble zinc]

Honeslty if they don't iron out their dev cycle I doubt events will be much.

This might be a once a year occurrence.

[fervent quiver]

what is this new event?

[tiny summit]

The "event" was the twins storming into your games this past week

[fervent quiver]

oh

that

[noble zinc]

Deamonhost plus twin is a classic

[tiny summit]

More of just a tease to this latest update

You know most online games with "events" reward the playerbase on actions based on activities related to said event.

[thick kestrel]

sort of an assasin team kind of deal akin to warframe, though a lot less terrifying than the early days of the Stalker ^^

[tiny summit]

Oh the early days of Warframe not know wtf was happening with first Stalker encounter.

Then you just bitch slap whenever he shows his face.

"Get out of here. I'm farming"

[serene sage]

Could be fun if you complete an event to unlock a new gun

Maybe that's something they would do for the next weapon

[tiny summit]

It would've been so easy to just add like an item they drop when they leave you carry to the end and you get a large ordo or material rewards but nooooo

[terse idol]

Well yeah to be fair legate the twins invading was just a teaser yuhh

I wonder how they actually play now that I imagine we fight them both at once

[spark helm]

It's also one of those things where like, people already accustomed to the flow of Damnation aren't phased by it at all. That's when the aurics come in I guess.

Winds of Magic type deal.

[serene sage]

What's winds of magic

[fervent quiver]

it is

[terse idol]

I mean they weren't very difficult

[slow spade]

Something heretical

[fervent quiver]

it's much too slow

[spark helm]

Content update for Vermintide 2 back then. Added modifier set ups for encounters. Separate from deeds for normal campaigns that did the same thing but limited.

[tiny summit]

They weren't. But shitting out enough fart clouds where I see ppl at max corruption is enough to be annoyed for no reward.

[terse idol]

Mann

[spark helm]

Jumped the difficulty up like a mfker before modding communities started creating Cataclysm+ packs.

[slow spade]

Give me the gamer girl gas UwU

[terse idol]

If you got max corruption fighting the twins

Oh boy that's

I don't know what to say

[tiny summit]

Were the fart mines shootable? I tried and was annoyed.

[terse idol]

No

[spark helm]

Never played those kinds of mods but oof. Shit looks difficult as hell. Lol

[terse idol]

You can run past them though

[serene sage]

I thought the male twin is the one that gives gas?

[tiny summit]

Still annoying

[terse idol]

They have a long timer

[slow spade]

I've never been remotely threatened by the gas attacks

[terse idol]

My friend told me the mines just one shot you

I never stood around to find out

[slow spade]

When she leaves, she drops a gas bomb

[nimble sentinel]

yo anyone else ever get this?

[terse idol]

Oh that gas

[slow spade]

They don't

[terse idol]

Both of them do that

[slow spade]

Immense skill issue

[spark helm]

Only had it get really bad and that was because I got bock-blocked.

[serene sage]

a a parting gift?> 😳

[slow spade]

I'm not picky

[nimble sentinel]

did these mfers finally steal my levi's?

[serene sage]

does this mean she likes me?

[terse idol]

The worse I got was we killed one of thetwins on the prison area

[tiny summit]

Combination of randoms, horde, tight spaces and probably throw a few mutants in. Don't act like it's hard to have a complete cluster fuck situation

[terse idol]

And it blocked the entire hallway during a horde

So we had to force our way through

[terse idol]

I mean I'm not

You have to mess up bad I find to hit near max corruption

[slow spade]

They go down easily to plasma fire and krak stunlock in my experience

[nimble sentinel]

yeh I was kinda stunned how fast it went with a plasma build

[terse idol]

I just play with 1 wound too

[slow spade]

"Plasma is bad vs bosses"

[spark helm]

I've never been touched by the empowered poxwalkers so idk. Looked scary though.

[serene sage]

really? cause the bolter honestly didnt do that much

[terse idol]

I dint let me corruption get to a place where I'm 1hp

[slow spade]

They look cooler

[terse idol]

[nimble sentinel]

they're flak, right?

[serene sage]

or is it the case where the plasma somehow treat their head carapace armor as flak again

[slow spade]

Their heads are easy to hit and plasma does funny damage on headshots

[terse idol]

I feel like that's intended now

[slow spade]

I'm like 99% sure they're flak

[serene sage]

probably that weird krak interaction then

[slow spade]

Because my unyielding dps isn't that high

[warm idol]

head is carapace iirc

[serene sage]

cause bolter headshots ain't doing a lot ngl

[warm idol]

and body flak

[spark helm]

So veteran is the only class that gets extra grenade slots right?

[slow spade]

Weird

[slow spade]

Yes

[serene sage]

it is, BUT there is a bug where it is treated as flak when shot with plasma

at least it's true for mauler

I don't doubt they just copy paste code and here we are

[tiny summit]

Pretty sure heads are carapace they make that pinging sfx

[spark helm]

Genuinely trying to remember but I'd be confused sometimes with like 5 shredder frags and shit like that. Probably forgot that I took it over revive speed when I go right tree.

[terse idol]

I thought that was like an intended pgun mechanic

[serene sage]

i guess i shold specify im speculating

[terse idol]

AP

[tiny summit]

Lol bug or intentional who knows

[terse idol]

They haven't fixed it in what

15 updates

[spark helm]

Thinking of making a fun little high mobility, even burst, grenade spam.

[serene sage]

Bolter don't have that privilege 😔

[terse idol]

I'm sure it's intended

[spark helm]

I like sliding into nade spam

Iz fun

[serene sage]

and Bolter Carapace damage is okayish but not great

and mag dump bosses on body feels bad 😔

[spark helm]

But I've finally moved on to zealot so I'll be leveling that all over again.

[tall torrent]

Are the twins unyielding or carapace

[terse idol]

It would be kinda cool if bolter had innate rending

[slow spade]

Its below the +5% crit node

[spark helm]

Yeah, right next to no one left behind.

[slow spade]

I'm surprised it doesn't

[serene sage]

it has 100% modifer vs everything but infested and carapace though?

[slow spade]

Yeah and I want more

[serene sage]

and modifer vs carapace isn't the best but far from worst

greedy

[slow spade]

Going to tell me bolter round doesn't do fuckoff levels of damage to unarmored?

Sounds like lasgun propaganda UwU

[serene sage]

imagine taking 4 rounds to kill a dog

[slow spade]

Indeed

Headshot a dog and its still fine 🤔

[serene sage]

still can't one shot

even with crit

but 2 is doable

[tiny summit]

Dogs have kevlar with stab resistance at its weakest

[terse idol]

What theee

Okay to be fair my scuffed pgun with low average stopping power can't one shot a dog in the body

[slow spade]

In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, all dogs are born with ceramite plating

[terse idol]

Bolter struuugling

They dont tell you but the dogs are full of pilk

[somber axle]

Hey so trying to do Karnak Twins mission with friends and the door seems bugged?

[serene sage]

ive read there is an invisible wall

[slow spade]

Funny Fatshark moment, they didn't playtest and the map is super bugged 💪💪💪

[serene sage]

that you can't progress from

[somber axle]

the gate blocks us

[serene sage]

but don't quote me on that im just quoting from the forum

[delicate moat]

lol what

[slow spade]

I hear it got fixed now but I'm doubtful

Granted I'm still plasteel farming

[serene sage]

if so that's a hot hot fix lmao

[slow spade]

Fucking shovels

[terse idol]

One bug fixed 500 more added

Lesgooo

[serene sage]

@slow spade im drafting you to go for the secret mode tonight

[slow spade]

Omg I love secrets UwU

[serene sage]

this one will blow your mind

probably not

[slow spade]

"All enemies get brainburst"

[serene sage]

all enemies are ragers

[terse idol]

all enemies are plague monks

[serene sage]

and then all enemies are bombers

[terse idol]

[serene sage]

fire reverted to last patch status

also fire is laughably weak now

[slow spade]

Fire converted to melee damage

[serene sage]

Not a bad change, very annoying though

[leaden void]

What is da lore w the twins n our boss/interrogator

[tiny summit]

On the 2nd Carnival map, when we got to the final med station, a group of like 6 maulers would spawn. We kill them. Another 6 would spawn. We kill them. Even another 6 or more spawned. Had like 4 or more mauler waves 1 after another. Director felt extremely dickish there.

[steep vault]

I can't fix this

[tiny summit]

Do it coward

Roll

[leaden void]

Whats a groaner

[tiny summit]

Pull the lever

[steep vault]

I ran out

[slender turtle]

Zola has the hots for the brother but his sister is pulling a 'coffin of andy and leyley' on him

[steep vault]

been grinding the special mission all day

[tiny summit]

Also nice pfp

[leaden void]

Augh

[leaden void]

Thanks, waiting for the down reprisal to come out in 2027

[steep vault]

https://tenor.com/view/susan-woodings-susan-woodings-the-walten-files-twf-gif-24185478

what

[leaden void]

Banging ass music for 10 seconds 😔

[steep vault]

I'm gonna go turn off the gellar field now

[tiny summit]

It do be banging

[steep vault]

there's no official lore as of yet

[leaden void]

Fanfic it is

[serene sage]

Slow down there Typhus

[torn needle]

Does toughness regen speed affect the toughness gain over time stuff on elite kill?

[slender turtle]

official headcanon

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-gif-23893070

[steep vault]

but explicator definitely has past connections with either/both wolfer or twin

[steep vault]

I'm assuming yea

never looked into it

[serene sage]

They are exes

[terse idol]

I mean Zola definetly has beef with Wolfer

[tight dragon]

so are the twins flak with carapace head?

[serene sage]

Lovers turned enemies

[tight dragon]

still don't get the damage type

[serene sage]

[terse idol]

Truue

[steep vault]

this ship must not return back into the emperor's light

[serene bough]

hi

[steep vault]

there is no way to save us

[serene bough]

how is the karnak twin fight

[steep vault]

we must all die as martyrs

[steep vault]

it's good if only people would go to the vents

[serene bough]

vents?

amongus?

[steep vault]

someone told me to shut the fuck up because I pinged the vent he's not going to

[serene sage]

Allegedly very hot, damp, sweaty, and steamy

[tiny summit]

I assumed toughness regen is only for coherency regen and "replenish" is the key word to see what interacts with talents like those

[serene bough]

i dont like being sweaty

[steep vault]

there's gas area denial and there's only one area where it's not denied

and that's where the vent is lit up

[serene bough]

oh i see

[tiny summit]

But idk. I wish I knew how much toughness I replenish for the team or myself

[terse idol]

Hold your horses Slaanesh

[tiny summit]

"Imagine the smell"

[serene sage]

I ain't wrong

[steep vault]

ask someone with mods

[celest vine]

Does that really funny new mission character delete bug still exist

[steep vault]

they can spawn things in the psykanium

[steep vault]

wdym

[celest vine]

I was told there was a rare hard crash bug that staight out deleted your operative

[serene sage]

Is there a bug that deletes me irl? More importantly, it is replicable

[delicate moat]

wtf

[celest vine]

Its called glock

[odd pollen]

Also i'm getting irritated at level 30 vets

with BLUE MELEE AND RANGED WEAPON

LIKE WHAT??

[tiny summit]

Gotta save man

You can run missions with whites

Is it at least a god stat roll?

[serene sage]

you can run missions with whites if you already know what you are doing

[odd pollen]

no

i'm trying to run hard mode tho

[serene sage]

but these blueberries don't need to handicap their already sh*tty gameplay with bad loadouts as well

[tiny summit]

Gonna roll into my auric maelstrom with my 12% dmg columnus

[celest vine]

Trolling

[serene sage]

I swear Columnus damage recorded in scoreboard mod is bugged

[celest vine]

I am forever upset infiltrate trolling had been nerfed

[tiny summit]

I just need rolls like this for all my characters.

[delicate moat]

this staff spontaneously generates warp

[muted knot]

Brain go boom

[tiny summit]

Brunt trying to kill psykers

[celest vine]

Take my 8% stopping power lasgun into auric

[serene sage]

this staff is actually OP, it opens a portal to the warp immediately with a 10% chance to summon Kaldor Draigo himself

[tiny summit]

It's about 31ish peril off charge with the -5% peril gen talents

[rain steppe]

Close to greatness

[tiny summit]

Pull the lever

[serene sage]

Wrong lever

[tiny summit]

You're already at purple. Might as well

[rain steppe]

The omnissiah will bonk it to dirt

[serene sage]

you already shoot one foot, might as well shoot the other

[delicate moat]

shoot the head too while you're at it

[tiny summit]

Nah nah, hadron will gift you a lvl 4 blessing you haven't gotten yet

Promise. No lies. You just have to pull

[rain steppe]

Out of plasteel

[quasi socket]

New event worth running for plasteel?

[serene sage]

eh it's okay

[quasi socket]

This is coming from a "i find damnation a challenge" player

[serene sage]

maybe good for Malice

[barren stratus]

what's the good lasgun to use for veteran?

[steep vault]

demoman

[delicate moat]

recon

[serene sage]

anything you like, maybe not the recon series.
serious answer.

[steep vault]

I'm beginning to see why people say III is the better shovel

[crude ermine]

Aywyayawyayayaillkillyoyandkeepkillingyoyadnyoyaoyoy oull bebdead

[tiny summit]

Infantry (whatever your preference on fire rate vs dmg) and helbores (whatever your preference on fire rate vs dmg and bayonet style)

[steep vault]

I'm gonna move my blessings to a good one now

[steep vault]

any of them tbh

[lean light]

Best lasgun is obviously the plasma gun

[steep vault]

just play well and you'll do fine

[lean light]

pLASma, counts as a lasgun. Devs won't tell you this

[tiny summit]

Recons are just kinda lacking right now but all the other lasguns are pretty good

[delicate moat]

where is the lasminigun

[crude ermine]

Check under the bed

[tiny summit]

Killed how many scab gunners and I can't get their fucking gun

[quasi socket]

because heresy

[delicate moat]

ngl their gun kinda shit outside of suppression

[crude ermine]

It'd probably be heresy kindred

[tiny summit]

I don't care. I just want chunky automatic lasers

[delicate moat]

what gun do reapers have?

i want my gun to also push enemies off the map

[crude ermine]

Probably a ripper or whatever it's called

[serene sage]

Join the Moebian 6th then, they even have hotshot las

[crude ermine]

Idk never played ogryn

[steep vault]

they really need to buff helbore III bayonet

[copper pine]

Reaper heavy stubber iirc

Hence the name

[tiny summit]

Probably. Normal guardsmen las shots are clean and straight. The heretics shoot spikey looking chaotic las shots

[steep vault]

heavy stubber

[tiny summit]

By just deleting the swing

[steep vault]

looks pretty identical to the ogryn Achlys stubber

[steep vault]

the swing is a good concept

but it's too weak for it to seem good

[tiny summit]

Tap - stab
Hold - swing

[steep vault]

that gets rid of charging

not like III had charging in the first place

[tiny summit]

Make the bayonet have it like a down pike so it's like a halberd

[steep vault]

100%

make it hit harder

feel more oomph = more dopamine = more good

[tawny badger]

looks to be a stubber

[tiny summit]

Drive a spike into the dome of heretics

[tawny badger]

that’s it? just a spike?

[delicate moat]

force spear when

[steep vault]

never 😆

[tiny summit]

If they can make folding shovels be a makeshift warpick put that shit on the end of my helbore

Honkai Star Rail gave a waifu a halberd rifle, my guardsmen deserve it too

[steep vault]

axe

make it an axe

[serene sage]

Just take the Helbore Bayonet and put it in front of a sword

Are they stupid?

[celest vine]

[tiny summit]

Need. Hunt the Showdown.

[serene sage]

we need this armor set

since yesterday

[tiny summit]

This just maulers w/o the glow

[obtuse raft]

Ok if we get anything it needs to be the bomb lance. It's 40k as fuck with how wildly impractical and cool it is.

[serene sage]

I mean mauler set looks cool too

give us this, too

basically I want to play remnant but darktide

[tiny summit]

I bought the ultimate edition of the game. Have done 2 playthrough. Feel like I should play more

[serene sage]

1 or 2

[ruby bear]

is the revive option for veteran shout as bad as it looks or is it okay

[serene sage]

it's not great

too much antisynergies

[idle carbon]

the extended cooldown really kinda hurts

[flint garden]

the fact that it nerfs it even when youre not reviving anything really hurts

most of the time shout + nade will secure a revive anyways

[serene sage]

invest a point to gimp yourself

[obtuse raft]

and the basic shout is already a exceptional tool for revives since everything is flat on its ass

[serene sage]

[tiny summit]

Extended cd hurts, probably best to just top everyone up with toughness but hey in those fewer situations to insta rez someone, it feels nice

[stray storm]

I am so squishy in the Twins boss fight
I can’t last against a horde and constantly going down :/

[tiny summit]

That would be cool if the extended cd only proc'd off revive

[hollow ibex]

Noob trap imo

[tiny summit]

Revive speed on curios is underrated

[lean light]

Thought this was a darktide screenshot and was about to say wtf

[untold mulch]

Same tbh

Haven't yet played the event

[tame lichen]

Hmm thought the vestures wouldve updated today

[nimble sentinel]

should be tomorrow

[safe dawn]

Vestures are usually on Thursdays

[rain steppe]

Omnissiah didn't brick me

[quasi socket]

emperor forgot to leave the gift receipt again

[serene orbit]

Reroll the 8% Specialists to Maniacs/Carapace or Shattering Impact to Blaze Away?

[alpine pebble]

ok i need some twin advice

something to carry a bit

i keep getting les that 30k damage teammates

[safe dawn]

don't forget which is which they'll never let you live it down

oh you meant the bosses

[odd pollen]

melee is weak to ranged

ranged is weak to melee

[quasi socket]

worth buying off brunt?

[serene sage]

didn't you already change gets hot? how could you change 2 others?

[serene sage]

nuh uh

I guess if you don't have a PS6 at all, it's an okay stopgap

but otherwise, ill keep looking

[serene orbit]

You can change 2 total, right?

[serene sage]

yes but you already changed one?

so you can change another?

[quasi socket]

current one i have

[serene orbit]

yes, I'm asking which one I should change. the 8% Spec or Shattering Impact

[serene sage]

nvm im dumb

i would keep shattering tbh

[serene orbit]

That's what I was thinking, too. But I'm not 100% sure Blaze Away is just that much better or not

[tall torrent]

Actually unreal
Nobody in quick play could melee in the new mission

[serene sage]

priority is probably find Power Cycler 4
level 1 Brutal Momentum is not ideal but you still get benefits from ignore hit mass
i would keep the current one and try to find PC4

2cents, obviously

[safe dawn]

I'd upgrade the old one to gold, and buy the new one in case Hadron bricks the old one

[quasi socket]

@serene sage yeah, pc1-4 have been avoiding me for a bit

[serene sage]

good luck fam

actually what Delta said

makes sense, upgrade the current one, if it bricks, buy the Brunt

then again, it's Brunt shop so it's what 10k ordos?

[safe dawn]

it's requisitions so probably like 20k

still not much

[quasi socket]

current standing w/ upgrading, need more plasteel...

[safe dawn]

yeah buy the new one lol

[serene sage]

it's brunt so just get the new one, don't dismantle the current one yet

[safe dawn]

unless you roll PC4 on the 2nd blessing that thing is gonna brick

which I mean if you do roll PC4 you can just sell the new one and you're only out a few ordos

nbd

[quasi socket]

word. is it pc4/bm4 that is wanted for mk6?

[serene sage]

yeah

ideally

[safe dawn]

ideally but even BM1 works

cuz the important bit is the mass ignore

[serene sage]

maniac carapace pc4 bm4

[safe dawn]

Sunder also works

[quasi socket]

ill make note of that, if this one goes south ill just start stuffing the next one up

[gray star]

Anyone have an issue with the last bell not triggering hard mode for karnaks?

[ruby bear]

so i found out why i didn't like veteran.

the lasrifle, i thought i liked it. but playing with the las pistol is a million times more fun

i don't need to charge my shit no more

[quasi socket]

space ak is pretty fun too

[safe dawn]

charge
... you mean the hellbore?

[tiny summit]

MGIV is spammy too

[ruby bear]

yes, the lasrifle. don't get semantic you know what the hell im talking about

[safe dawn]

there's two different lasrifles

hellbore is the one that charges

the regular lasgun doesn't

[ruby bear]

every time i come in this chat man

[slate delta]

<3 Plasma

[serene sage]

tbf, i was also briefly confused

[serene sage]

cool plasma

I mean hot (?) plasma?

[quasi socket]

so plasma, does it arc the shots or straight line them?

[serene sage]

Straight

Pinpoint accurate in fact

The crosshair is just hella stupid

[nimble sentinel]

Anyone beat the twins on hard mode?

[delicate moat]

is there a separate hard mode?

[nimble sentinel]

Super secret hard mode that makes it iron man and rewards a third icon thingy

[delicate moat]

wtf

[tiny summit]

That's a keeper

Can that shovel even dig a hole?

[atomic zephyr]

rubber shovel

[eternal sable]

there is a super secret hard mode and you get a special trinket for it

the penance for it is also hidden

[shrewd lagoon]

How do you enable the hard mode?

[eternal sable]

you have to ring bels in a certain order

[nimble sentinel]

Stat distribution of my d||imwitted heretics I have in my sights rip bozo||

[shrewd lagoon]

which bells?

where are they

[eternal sable]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2995700310

[shrewd lagoon]

Thanks

[eternal sable]

there u guys go

[nimble sentinel]

Howd you do it? I keep getting rekt in normal

[eternal sable]

i got the god queue this morning

[frank basin]

that's long way to hit the bells

[eternal sable]

i went zealot fire nades + flamer and got in with 3 ogryns

old combat knife with unyeilding

1st try on vet and failed then swapped to zealot

[nimble sentinel]

I gotta kit my zealot out

[eternal sable]

its a great class and really helpful for this event

thunder hammer recks the boss

also fire nade cc and flamer super good since its a small arena

[nimble sentinel]

Time to give hadron the rest of my plasteel then

[eternal sable]

all you need is a knife and a laspistol

[nimble sentinel]

I have a god roll 1a and a decent crusher

[eternal sable]

boss damage is super important in zealot imo

thats why ill always go bleed crit knife

[nimble sentinel]

Time to get off this sofa and back to the pc. Would it be possible to get a copy of your build and gear for study?

[queen fox]

havent played in a while, did they nerf handcannon?

[eternal sable]

these are what i used for the boss fight and you can find the copy paste crit build wherever in zealot chat

i do choose to go like this

because im a psycho and dont want stun immunity

more damage instead

[midnight mortar]

Read up in #📢news-bulletin

[flint garden]

its used to be 100% rending but you still do 100% damage to carapace on crit so it doesnt really make a diff

[queen fox]

i don't want to read through a few patch notes

[wanton dawn]

Well, my first special assignement went well until i realize that ppl cant handle a few rager and leave you alone with 2 twins on your back

[flint garden]

also swap trickshooter to surgical

[queen fox]

nah was using it with weapon specialist

100% crit rate

trickshooter is for bosses basically

[flint garden]

weapon specialist only works on the first shot

[patent hound]

i am blessed today

[queen fox]

and surgical has a charge time

its a tradeoff imo

[tiny summit]

Pull the lever

You know you want to see

[pearl granite]

I hope they will update the shop with something good looking today. All 3 Vet sets currently in cosmetic shop just sucks...

[serene sage]

Perfect natural roll incoming

I would give you plasteel to make it happen if I can 😔

[celest vine]

New map bugged for all right?

[quasi socket]

one more mission til i can brick my mk6 ps lol

[hasty reef]

Only just say your reply, but thanks! I’ll give it a try, normally I always krak nade carapace but on higher difficulties that isn’t always viable

[terse idol]

The hotshot lasgun

🥹

[safe dawn]

Lasgun Volley Gun

[dark rampart]

wish you could take a las pistol instead of melee sometimes

[raw steppe]

learn to melee lmao

before you come into my games

[safe dawn]

New Dueling Sword that has a Laspistol sidearm in the same style as Saltzpyre's Rapier pls

[low oar]

no

[untold mulch]

Where is it

Rogue Trader is making my hotshot addiction worse

[safe dawn]

Actually any dual-wield weapon pls

[low oar]

Slab shield

[safe dawn]

yeah but for other classes

where's the classic Crusader loadout of Storm Shield + Power Sword for Zealots?

twin hotshot laspistols so I can cosplay Creed?

[slow garden]

Would be cool to get some dual wield or hybrid weapons

[safe dawn]

We have exactly 1 shield weapon and 0 true dual weapons in this game and It's a bit weird

[slow garden]

Like a heavy laspistol with a dagger combo weapon, that has can opener on it

[dark rampart]

i am a melee god! i love glorious melee combat, but options are nice

[fierce parcel]

bugged for me at least :/

[patent hound]

there you go

[pastel geode]

Is that secret penance doable with randos or is it something I need a premade for?

[patent hound]

secret penence you say?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-meme-gif-27557281

[pastel geode]

#veteran-class message

[safe dawn]

sir this isn't #zealot-class this is no place for deranged builds

[tall torrent]

Let’s just say that the new mission is harder than other missions of the same difficulty and that you’re not gonna win unless you know your team can hold their own in melee without coherency

[quasi socket]

why do zealots run off in damnation, get downed, and leave mission?

[lofty lintel]

what does the secret penance give

[fading grotto]

Cause they don't have the true faith

[tall torrent]

Insignia

[quasi socket]

gonna try my hand at plasma. oh boy.

[lofty lintel]

whats it look like

[midnight mortar]

They think the loner aura makes them invincible.

[dark rampart]

secret penance

[steep vault]

best axe?

[lofty lintel]

rashad mk2

[paper axle]

Antax

[patent hound]

they wont take me there

[slender turtle]

When's the loner rework

Just make it just so you count as two for yourself and your team

[midnight mortar]

The Rashad is highly cited.

[safe dawn]

Rashad is insane when built right

(Mk 2 Combat Axe)

the Antax Mk 5 is pretty good too but has slower heavies I think

[south garnet]

they nerfed hand cannon and hardcapped all rending, plus nerfed the revolver itself

don't worry, it's made no difference

[low oar]

It's still really good. Just not ridiculously op like before

[flint garden]

the nerf makes practically 0 difference if you crit

[terse idol]

Revolver is perfectly fiine

[terse idol]

Well it does

Because of the nerf to handcanon

That was like the combo, handcannon, surgical, which is still gooood

[flint garden]

you still 2 shot maulers and crushers and oneshot everything else

[quick moth]

Sometimes 3, but yeah.

[flint garden]

3 if you miss a crit or hit crusher body

[quick moth]

I'd like to actually diversify the revolver, but fuck that thing along with the squad leader build seriously holds together so many teams.

[quasi socket]

cant say im a fan of plasma

[sharp ember]

so no 1/4th-scale bonus damage for rending beyond 100%?

[quick moth]

I've been trying to incorporate the plasma gun more, but eh. I don't really like it.

[quasi socket]

feels like im gettin double taps every so often

[flint garden]

ngl if anything revolver feels better after the patch since the tree rework makes it easier to pick up deadshot

[south garnet]

my lazymode grenadier build uses plasma just to save me a point or two on optimizing for revolver but either is good for team carry

[south garnet]

hard capped at 100%

[quasi socket]

i think i just need more practice w/ it, and figure out my issue

[quick moth]

Plasma is great for cleaving and huge waves, but sans that I don't get the appeal.

[south garnet]

plasma is incredibly effective, the main issue with plasma is that it looks DORKY as though it was designed for DORKS and you look like a DORK carrying one

[sharp ember]

stares at my Uncanny Strike blessings that go past 100%

[crisp bronze]

My Thrust 4, Limbsplitter 4 Mk7 Shovel with 25% Damage (Carapace) is hilarious against the twins. A fully charged special heavy attack takes almost a quarter of their hp. Such a meme. But I can't stop using it.

[quick moth]

I can use it, but I'm way more effective with revolver 🤷‍♂️

[quasi socket]

hadron doing hadron things

[midnight mortar]

The ability to deal with any threat including heavy targets at any range.

[flint garden]

did they fix the plasma animation issues

[quick moth]

Applies again to revolver sans bulwark shields, I suppose

[midnight mortar]

Brutal momentum 1

[tender rose]

I use plasma/chain sword with my commando build. Two points on the ammo side to reload it for free while I murder in melee

[midnight mortar]

The difference being sustain then at that point.

The revolver has only 6 shots.

[flint garden]

5

[south garnet]

lmao yea, they updated one blessing to only scale to 100% but there are still multiple where anything above T2 gives you effectively max rending with no difference between T3 and T4 (at least until they get around to rescaling those too)

[midnight mortar]

Ah sorry, 5.

[somber sable]

is it worth it to buy a melk gun just to remove the rank 4 dumdum/falter from it?

[south garnet]

YES

[midnight mortar]

Which weapon family?

[sharp ember]

rank 4 dumdum is excellent

[flint garden]

dumdum yeah

[south garnet]

It's literally the only thing dogshit milk man is good for, ripping blessings

[quick moth]

5, but the venting and reloading for the PC is comparable if not worse downtime honestly. You fire 2 ideally tops with revolver and partial reload. It's very analogous to venting without the giant PC reload time.

[somber sable]

heavy laspistol/kantrael for the falter

[sharp ember]

I mean I guess your partial-stack hits will deal more damage while building it

[past stag]

what is the best auto/semi auto gun fot veteran atm

[south garnet]

that's true, yea

[sharp ember]

chump change damage, but still

[quasi socket]

agri/columnus bag or iag for autos i think

[quick moth]

I don't think PC is bad (it isn't), but the revolver is ridiculous and it's very hard to put down as essentially every other gun feels like ass in comparison.

[elder vessel]

puzzle? what puzzle?

[obtuse raft]

SMH, manually reloading plasma is for nerds

[safe dawn]

the one that unlocks secret hard mode

[crisp bronze]

It's more to do with how they changed how Rending works. If your gun says 90% damage to Flak Armor 10% Rending makes that 100%. After 100 it gives a quarter of the value as extra damage. So an extra 40% on top of that 100 gives an extra 10% damage. So Rending does give something after 100% it just takes a lot to be noticeable.

[quasi socket]

melk, but on my vet

**zealot

[sharp ember]

has anyone else been getting swamped by those green eyed poxwalkers, they just don’t get out of the way

[elder vessel]

What hard mode

The only thing here is Damnation

And that was already available

[quick moth]

Will the backstab talent apply to that gun? If so, use that for your Zealot.

[south garnet]

a practiced plasma user has nearly constant match-long uptime, at least until they're out of ammo. Revolver even with practice you do end up in sticky spots from time to time, although weapon expert or whatever right keystone is does a lot to minimize/erase that too for that kind of build.
A big difference with plasma is the point investiture is almost nonexistent to optimize its use relative to other weapons

[safe dawn]

Chat he doesn't know

[south garnet]

it's the power sword of vet ranged

[elder vessel]

Yeah I DONT FUCKEN KNOW THATS WHY I ASKED

[quasi socket]

melee hits? dont think so

[safe dawn]

chillax a bit my man

I was getting the steam guide

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2995700310

[quick moth]

Power sword has downsides too - like swarms of ragers for example. Power cycler 4 isn't going to help much there.

[south garnet]

uhhhhhh lol

[safe dawn]

chat he also doesn't know

[south garnet]

PC4 on a PS6

[safe dawn]

PC4 + BM on PS6 then vmmmt

(or Sunder instead of BM)

[quick moth]

Well if I'm mistaken I'll grind it out then since I'm sitting at a mil gold