veteran-class

[sharp ember]

like a 380 claw with tier 4 impact blessings, not gonna be great

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

[ancient raptor]

what does dumpstat means

[quasi socket]

stat with lowest score

[nimble sentinel]

stats that you are okay with (or want) to be low

mobility as an example only affects sprint speed and dodge distance afaik, much better to have that low than killing potential

[quasi socket]

^

[nimble sentinel]

ammo could be a dump stat too if you reload every kill and everything else is nice

[lofty lintel]

Ammo is a dumpstat on some guns and important on others

But in the end ammo efficiency is up to how you use it

Good use of gun means no need to grab ammo tins

[ancient raptor]

can you tell me if this is a good roll ?

[lofty lintel]

Leave that to the nerds magdumping hordes

[nimble sentinel]

or you could grab survivalist fully loaded and shock trooper

[lofty lintel]

Thats good

[nimble sentinel]

brauto is one of those guns you do want ammo, but otherwise this isn't bad

[lofty lintel]

Hit n run is ok

Wouldve gotten dum dum

Were the perks that bad that you had to refine both

[ancient raptor]

i was looking for hit n run

and it showed up

[lofty lintel]

U do u then

Lucky

[ancient raptor]

the only bad thing of that perk is that 1 second is a bit too low

[lofty lintel]

Been looking for t4 power cycler for 2 weeks still nothing

[quasi socket]

@ancient raptor can make it work, specially if you have good aim and confident with hipfiring. i dont mess with the braced guns much, been sticking to iag for a while, trying to expand into helbores

[nimble sentinel]

at the end of the day the best dps is your best dps

[lofty lintel]

Yup

[nimble sentinel]

I cannot the power sword and I'm still dunkin on aurics without it

[ancient raptor]

ye im looking for that one too

still nothing

[lofty lintel]

Insane

Not even in my special token shop

Ive wasted too much plasteel and good mk6 power swords rolling them up to blue to see if i get pc

[ancient raptor]

ye sometimes you waste so much resource for nothing

[lofty lintel]

The crafting in this game is questionable

But it is what it is

[ancient raptor]

the blessing system sucks

i prefered the red weapon system like vt2

[quasi socket]

next up on "will it brick?!", another steal out of brunt's shop, a fine serviceable specimen, hoping for "Onslaught", but praying to at the very least, narrowly avoid disaster

[lofty lintel]

God i have so many guns that i already know are bricked

[nimble sentinel]

odam

[lofty lintel]

I dont have enough morale to upgrade them

[ancient raptor]

what does bricked mean

[lofty lintel]

370 and 380s just sitting there

[quasi socket]

guns with bad perks/blessings but good base stats

[lofty lintel]

Its when a weapon with potential gets really bad perks/blessings

[ancient raptor]

ooh ok i have so many of those

[lofty lintel]

Yup

And youre gonna have many more

[nimble sentinel]

#veteran-class message hence it is now a paperweight, or, a brick

[graceful glen]

thoughts?

[quasi socket]

its the nature of the beast in a loot gambling game

[lofty lintel]

Good

Could be better

[gritty dock]

What second Blessing did you receive?

[eternal sable]

i seriously thought this was FS's way of making the game even harder for grim players turns out theyre just griefing us

[thick rose]

this melk crash gotta go

[graceful glen]

whoa armory has this:

[quasi socket]

holding the server in suspense because im broke and have to grind the plasteel

[lofty lintel]

Grab

[eternal sable]

nice but wront mk lol

wrong

[lofty lintel]

And go brick it at hadron

[quasi socket]

^

[eternal sable]

you want the IV devils claw

[graceful glen]

Lol thats a damn good one tho

[lofty lintel]

Oh yeah i didnt see the mark

[thick rose]

think dclaw 4 is my favorite melee...

[lofty lintel]

Its pretty good yes

[thick rose]

parry saves lives

[eternal sable]

its a good roll for sure

id consecrate it

[graceful glen]

still got 5 dodges with low mobility

i like it

[eternal sable]

show us the results

[gritty dock]

Is this pairing difficult to learn?
I understand that we are talking about special parrying for this weapon and not typical blocking.

[eternal sable]

will it brick ?

[graceful glen]

im a broke boi, gotta get some plasteel lol

[eternal sable]

oof god speed peppy

[graceful glen]

I keep spending it to fast and not saving XD

[thick rose]

not hard I don't think. you just gotta try it a bit so you stop panicking and using it too early

[eternal sable]

the crafting addiction has taken over

[ancient raptor]

yes

veteran best class

[lofty lintel]

True

[graceful glen]

what about this guy

[thick rose]

oh hey

[graceful glen]

worth consc?

[thick rose]

a patch?

[elder fiber]

yeah roll the gacha

[eternal sable]

i wouldnt consecrate that one

low damage and pen most important stat on chainsword

you can go ultimate copium mode and say shrdder and mobility are the dump stats

[graceful glen]

okay last one i promise

[eternal sable]

yes thats great, ps has infinte cleave with PC

you got max rolls on everything that matter

[graceful glen]

excellent.

thanks for assist

that was funny AF

this game rocks lol

[ancient raptor]

this one is bad right?

[graceful glen]

I dont think its bad, not the best but it seems pretty good

[elder fiber]

Its totally fine

[eternal sable]

its ok

id slap pc on that

[ancient raptor]

i always spam the special so the cleave target one can be a dumpstat

[eternal sable]

ye cleave targets is dump stat

[quasi socket]

ok im going into damnation today

[graceful glen]

So you dont need cleave blessings on a PS? (im new)

[quasi socket]

1st match of the day and i just cant with these dudes

[ancient raptor]

ye i wanted to change slaghterer from the start

but dunno with which blessing

ye that one

im still searching for it

imma search for it rn i have 14k plasteel

let's see....

[graceful glen]

SOB

14k

[limpid turret]

holy bricks batman

[ancient raptor]

bruh

found it

but it's 3 ehhh

worth it ?

[fading grove]

Yes

Can be the breakpoint of having a easy killing or frustration for a couple seconds

[ancient raptor]

ight i'll keep searching

[pearl granite]

if I want to play revolver, which one should I take?

[sharp ember]

zarona is overall better due to massive cleave

better for picking specials through crowds

[pearl granite]

thanks

[sharp ember]

agri is ok, just different

[ancient raptor]

found lvl 3 power cycler 4 times already tough shit

[empty heron]

This should be saved

[atomic zephyr]

we're so back

[tiny creek]

y'all ready for Hadron to brick my weapon?

[cloud leaf]

god roll

[sharp ember]

not bad

[empty heron]

Good roll

[sharp ember]

bloodletter gang

[eternal sable]

thats super nice

thats heavy chainsword ?

[sharp ember]

oh crap it is the mk 13

rampage is gonna be rather hard to activate

since your first 2 heavies are low cleave

and your lights only hit like 2 bruisers

[ancient raptor]

god roll if it was the mkIV imo

[leaden void]

i hate hadron

it was a 380 profane 😦

[tiny creek]

not sure what i should swap on the weapon since the weapon's cleave is not the best

[sharp ember]

Shred or Wrath can be a good substitute for Rampage, and either perk to Flak

yeah I have a wrathpage mk13 chainsword too, really good at light spam horde clear

[tiny creek]

I think the problem i have with this chainsword is that it would be much better on a zealot because of martyrdom, the horde clear on it's so so and it's elite damage doesnt compare to the new Chainaxe

which one shots crushers without any procs/buffs

[thick rose]

for dclaw 4 savage sweep or wrath?

[sharp ember]

either is fine, both very easy to maintain

[eternal sable]

a random helbore shovel vet joins the council

[sharp ember]

i do think it lacks a little something, the heaviest are kinda slow and single target, but if you're doing single target you're gonna use the saw if you're safe to do so

the lights feel similar to a heavy sword

[quaint valve]

anything notable in the new update? just noticed the 3gb download

[gaunt delta]

From the notes: 1) fire nerfed, 2) can pick up the stimms while holding a Grim now

[eternal sable]

fire is a meme now

and grim players no longer griefed

[gaunt delta]

Dunno how fire feels yet. It could still be very painful

[eternal sable]

i stood on fire for 5-6 ticks before it hit my hp

[gaunt delta]

Especially when netted in it

[eternal sable]

its seriously a meme now

[gaunt delta]

How did it feel when it started hitting your HP?

[eternal sable]

super slow

joke levels

you can run over barrels and flamers without it hitting you hp

[quaint valve]

That is very slow wow.

[eternal sable]

revive in fire..

[quaint valve]

Well getting revived in fire was a death sentence before, so at least that wont happen

[eternal sable]

thanks to all these t1-4 gamers it got nerfed to oblivion

all it needed was a damage tunedown

not gutting

[quaint valve]

Yeah but unfortunately that is the majority of playerbase

[eternal sable]

exactly

[gaunt delta]

Have you got any fire resistance perks in your Curios?

[eternal sable]

thanks to them too

locks will be broken eventully

i wont have to type anything to fs their forums are FULL

[south garnet]

It was inevitable for fire to become toothless as a hotfix, to keep people from being upset about it over the holidays. It will probably be tuned further

[eternal sable]

i expect it to be tuned again

its 0 threat now

maybe 2/10

if youre in a bad spot

should be a 6/10

[serene bough]

rather it be toothless over wildly powerful if i had to choose between the two

of course i'd prefer a better balance

[quaint valve]

If you are in multiple instances of fire does it stack?

[serene bough]

but previous fire damage was insane

[south garnet]

That's just the nature of fatshark's balance. "Overtuned? Better nerf this to make sure nobody in their right minds will even buy one" and "Hm, this could use a boost. How about we make it hands-down the best weapon in the game"

[eternal sable]

before the fire change fire was a little strong

now its 1/2 it was before them breaking it

[serene bough]

"little" is an understatement

[crude wind]

man I am just testing the Agri shotgun with Marksman's focus and it is insane

[eternal sable]

you def should take good damage when on fire

[serene bough]

get stunned by a bomber detonation in the wrong place and you were guaranteed to lose 3/4ths of your health bar

[eternal sable]

but not dead in 1.5 secs from full hp/toughness

[serene bough]

if not just flat out die

[south garnet]

The general idea of making fire hit toughness instead of breaking it instantly is fine - the core concept is sound, the execution is where the issue lies, as with many other problems with the game

[eternal sable]

well

all these t1-4 players got ez fire

so i guess the majority of the playerbase will be happy

[serene bough]

i didnt mind the previous fire damage

[quaint valve]

Patch notes seem light for 3.5GB update

[eternal sable]

huh

[serene bough]

felt like it was a good concept that some specials just delete toughness

[eternal sable]

fire damage yesterday ?

[serene bough]

no

[eternal sable]

ok good

[serene bough]

the one beforehand where it would instantly just shatter toughness

[south spindle]

Huh.. thats good to know, might have a play about with that later on

[crude wind]

one taps all specials non mutie with a headshot

one taps mutie with slug

one taps both ragers with regular shell in Stance

[south spindle]

[crude wind]

one taps both gunners with a regular shell

all within 25m

absolutely insane

[south spindle]

More shotgun Ws, love to see it 😄

[crude wind]

one taps reapers with slug in Stance

2 taps crushers

no stance

[south garnet]

I like the lawbringer personally, although it doesn't seem to mesh well with the finesse keystone

Outside of close-medium hordes anyway

[crude wind]

seems like loading a slug consumes the 30% reload speed buff now as well so yuou can chain slugs rapidly if you are killing elites

[quaint valve]

what blessings?

[crude wind]

No Respite Full Bore

Flakniac

[quaint valve]

hmm interesting

[crude ermine]

Finally grabbed myself a full bore blessing, now I can just slot NR and FB into any shotgun if it lacks said blessings

[quaint valve]

Full bore bis

[south garnet]

It's still easy to make kills at range with lawbringer but they rarely count as weakspot kills for whatever reason - I'm assuming due to the killing pellet being a body hit

[south spindle]

On Agri, other two i would say Manstopper

[gritty mirage]

Just checking in from work did they fix the plasma gun sound issues?

[crude wind]

Full Bore is nutty with slugs

oh

also

[quaint valve]

nope

[gritty mirage]

[quaint valve]

at least not listed

[crude wind]

STANCE SHRINKS THE PELLET SPREAD

so regular shots hit all pellets over really good distance

crazy shit

[quaint valve]

3.5 gb update makes me think they did more than fix fire

[gritty mirage]

Thanks

[crude wind]

great name btw

[nimble sentinel]

how does the new csword compare to the old?

[south garnet]

lawbringer has wild cleave with special shell already so I use flechette in combination with deadshot and scattershot

[crude wind]

it's very good

[south spindle]

Its better, albeit slightly more difficult to use

But its noticably better

[crude ermine]

Honestly I've been getting the hang of marksman focus

[crude wind]

MF definitely the sleeper keystone

[south spindle]

Manstopper is basically infinite cleave, turns a whole horde into pulp in one or two shells

[nimble sentinel]

what does it do better, and/or worse than the old?

[south spindle]

Slap FF or NR as second blessing, bye bye threats

[nimble sentinel]

and is it worth taking over the can opener minecraft shovel?

[south spindle]

More damage, less easy to use moveset, slower heavies

I would say so yeah

[nimble sentinel]

so light spam and shreddies with the frosting?

[south spindle]

Shovel is very good, but Chainsword just turns stuff to paste

Ye

[quaint valve]

I mean mk3 shovel is great, 1 tapping crushers still feels amazing

[wooden lotus]

new shovel's great for just smashing anything with a head-shot

[nimble sentinel]

it isssss ❤️

[wooden lotus]

crusher craniums are delicious

[quaint valve]

I love my Chainsword, but crusher popping is so fun

[wooden lotus]

new chain weapons for both just have the same lights but better heavies for single targets with strike-downs or something to that effect

personally i like them much more

knife lost though

[obsidian umbra]

how can i fix this?

[crude wind]

i prefer the VII shovel but new Chword is v good

[nimble sentinel]

infested to flak, sustained to dumdum

[crude wind]

this is perfect

[nimble sentinel]

plauy stealth vet and mow em down in the butt

[crude wind]

sustained to dumdum

[thick kestrel]

sustained -> dumb dumb and infested ->flak is probably solid

[crude wind]

infested to flak

[timid otter]

Infested —> crit chance, sustained —> dum dum.

[crude wind]

and grats u have the best stealth build gun in the game

[thick kestrel]

raking fire on a mk5 is very solid if you run a stealth vet loadout

excellent for pushing to the backline and going ham

[wooden lotus]

also if you have a taunt ogryn you regularly pug with

[thick kestrel]

indeed

[crude wind]

just equip stealth and low profile

[nimble sentinel]

screaming big man my beloved

[crude wind]

the damage this build does is unreal

nice little attention to detail on the Powersword, the blood on the blade cooks to be black

very cool

[south spindle]

Nurgle-enriched black pudding

[nimble sentinel]

be sure to check the candy thermometer to know just w hen to take the power sword out of their hearts

[south garnet]

does the slowness of the special on the 7 relative to the 3 bug you at all?

[empty heron]

Anyone know how finesse power would (if possible) scale with a weapon without the finesse stat? For example the revolver.
Would it be affected at all? Would it be even better than finesse-based weps? Is it still attack speed/weakspot dmg?

[nimble sentinel]

tbh I find the angle of the heavy swing is the worst part, harder to get the dome

[sharp ember]

it irks me a bit but i like the mk7 moveset a lot otherwise, that push attack chop hits

[south garnet]

That part doesn't bug me so much but I'm used to some wonky swipe angles from heavy sword ha

[forest scaffold]

every weapon has a finesse stat

some stats are hidden under the hood though

and not given to be rolled on by RNG

[sharp ember]

yeah my chaxe experience transferred over to aiming the mk7 shovel spike lol

[thick kestrel]

yeah, so the damage finesse is a generalised weakpoint/crit multi value. it's a little annoying that it shares it's name with the finesse stat listed on some weapons but it's not quite the same thing.

so bonus finesse power is basically more weakpoint/crit damage as a whole, to get a feel for how it scales up it's better to take a look at a weapon's damage profile and seeing how much of a damage difference you see between normal hits and weakpoint/crit hits. the finesse value from focus applies to that difference 🙂

[empty heron]

Thank you @forest scaffold and @thick kestrel

[thick kestrel]

no worries! it's one of the reasons the focus keystone is best on already high weakpoint/crit focused guns, typically chunky single fire options.

mk7 headhunters, mg12 lasguns, helbores, boltguns etc

[crude wind]

i mostly use the light special which doesn't seem slow

my go to Vertical combo, push attack light light special light attack

[merry gale]

bricked ?

[crude wind]

nah. Swap Rev for Wrath

[merry gale]

perk wise

ik what to do with blessing

[crude ermine]

I'd say swap infested

[sharp ember]

nah solid, your choice to switch to flak

[merry gale]

couldn't it use maniac more

[crude ermine]

Honestly both are fine

[crude wind]

test

[crude ermine]

It's a preferal thing really

[crude wind]

Mutie killing is more important to me than flak killing

unless like, your gun isn't good at flak

[sharp ember]

most maniacs are already vulnerable to melee, that would only affect dreg ragers and probably mutant 1 bodyshot saw

[merry gale]

depends if rev light can one shot a rager with maniac

[crude ermine]

If ye ain't killin that mutie wit ur dam chainy what ye even doin

[crude wind]

exactly

[crude ermine]

I think it'll be best to test and see because idk tbh

[crude wind]

most of the flak enemies, you shoot to death

[sharp ember]

since its a mk13 it might 1 heavy saw muties on body

yeah check

[crude wind]

YEAH CHECK

CHECK IT

CHECK IT NOW

STOP TALKING ON HERE AND GO CHECK IT

[south garnet]

check, ch-check- check it out. wha- w-what's it all about

[merry gale]

one off lethal for mutie light rev dam

but heavy is a one shot

[sharp ember]

noice

[south garnet]

alternatively, check it out now, funk soul brother, right about now

[crude wind]

as in a single point of damage?

that's so rough lol

[merry gale]

it's kinda inconsistent

but yeah one weakpoint it's 1 off lethal

[wind echo]

i should be able to throw my plasma gun like a grenade once it overheats

[crude wind]

oh if its weakpoint then get Maniac

[unreal drum]

There are other melee weapons besides the mk6ps?

[crude wind]

cause like ur not always gonna hit the mutie head

weird little head

[merry gale]

hitbox huge tho

[crude wind]

like william birkin

[sharp ember]

if heavy is 1 body, i'd be set

[south spindle]

Its not hard to use a heavy to nuke a mutant anyway tbh, just sidestep it whilst charging the attack

[merry gale]

yeah

[crude wind]

but the valuable milliseconds saved

between light and heavy

milliseconds you didn't even realise you needed

[sharp ember]

milliseconds you could spend doing a sick 360

720 even

[crude ermine]

1080

[crude wind]

the brief flash on an instant between reaving the whirring saw blade from the still pulsing corpse of one mutant before thrusting it violently into the face of a second one charging you

[quasi socket]

Anyone runnin helbore on exe stance? Trying to get away from cruch of command...i mean voice. Think i just gotta spend time with it and tagging

[south spindle]

Eh, sometimes, idk, i dont feel like its that big of a deal in most cases, sometimes sure, but more often than not its not a huge issue

[crude wind]

whoa now let's keep our expectations in check, he's not Tony Hawk pro snowboarder

buut then again

maybe he is

[south spindle]

sets DPI to 12000

[crude wind]

... Tony?

[south spindle]

[sharp ember]

it's very valid, the insta switch is useful

[crude ermine]

We'll have to wait n see

[sharp ember]

haven't been taking it as much lately since bayonets got buffed though

[crude wind]

thanks Brunt

or whoever owns the normal shop

[quasi socket]

Just worried about hitting lobby where zealots run off into oblivion every 20 seconds

[fading grove]

Imma be real

[empty heron]

mmmm

[fading grove]

I think the Kantreal IV rips

[unreal drum]

1a has been my go to.

[sharp ember]

mg1a gang

iconic green

[crude ermine]

12 is the only one I have that's worthwhile to use because brunt nor Hadron like the others

[quaint valve]

mk4 with fullauto mode is fun, not amazing but still can 2 tap gunners in the head

[crude wind]

i get 380s like this almost every day

perfectly rolled

with 2 terrible things on blue

always in my shop

in fact, this is probably the 3rd time I've had it with a XII

[thorn yoke]

Weird flex but that’s cool

[serene sage]

you know, in term of things outside of your control, I am always reminded of what my dad repeated often

kek lmao xD get bent

[crude wind]

hahahahaha

wise words

[delicate lotus]

Is this a good build for support https://youtu.be/KVDD92UlNVk?si=aCZzgyV-0D15NKyb?

[unreal drum]

Why be support when you can just kill everything?

[delicate moat]

fire nerfed

i will miss being able to down people by rezzing them inside fire

[delicate lotus]

Because i want bring more than just damage @unreal drum and my aim will never be consistent

[serene sage]

I just looked at it, it's fine. I wouldn't pick like 3-4 nodes that they do but it's not a bad build
I would spec more into damage instead of taking garbage like Charismatic and Born Leader, at the minimum
There is no such thing as support builds in Darktide, there are just builds that are more supportive than others.

[unreal drum]

Have you been properly introduced to the mk8 braced auto gun? No aim required.

[delicate lotus]

Im using plasma gun right now

[unreal drum]

Just pew pew in the general direction of enemies.

Get you a mk6ps with T4 energize.

[ionic scarab]

Recon and boltgun status?

[tawny kraken]

I like the slug shotty because it can one-shot crushers

[unreal drum]

Thats what kraks are for sir!

[tawny kraken]

that's boring

[serene sage]

You shouldn't pick krak if you an option for frags tbh

[serene sage]

This patch
Recon bad
Boltgun good

[eternal sable]

datamined new cosmetics https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18glpsr/incoming_rogue_trader_cosmetics_datamined/

everyone is about to be a pirate :3

[tawny kraken]

rogue trader doing the numbers

[serene sage]

probably to coincide with Rogue Trader release eh?

[eternal sable]

i like these a lot tbh

the vet had it the only meh but still gonna buy it

hat*

[deep fable]

hotfix notes?

[forest scaffold]

not me

[tawny kraken]

but what about ogryn with tiny (normal sized) pirate hat?

[delicate lotus]

Rogue Trader as a class would be dope and well skitarii

[eternal sable]

ogryn has the best cosmetic out of them all

[forest scaffold]

@south spindle We need to correct this take

Recon Lasguns gud

[eternal sable]

so cute

[serene sage]

no heart emoji

[ionic scarab]

How so?

[south garnet]

there are gonna be many santa cosplays

[eternal sable]

^

im ready to buy mine lol

grey beard

thats it

[forest scaffold]

Correction: Recon Lasgun Mk7a is good.

The 6d and Mk2 are pretty ass

due to their damage

[tawny kraken]

"you've been naughty"

Chucks rock

"Have coal"

[forest scaffold]

but the mk7a is just a solid "anti-ranged" weapon

that includes elites and specials, along with adds

[deep fable]

asking again

[forest scaffold]

https://streamable.com/uj6daw

[deep fable]

patch notes

[forest scaffold]

I know, its just meatgrinder shit

[unreal drum]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ad4f466-42a2-4ba3-ab4c-49497de4de51/killallthethings Here you go, use this. Do AMs. Toss kraks at crushers and bulwarks. Shoot maulers in the chest, shoot everything else in the face. Swing sword when needed, everything is dead.

[forest scaffold]

But the power potential is definitely there for recon lasguns

[south garnet]

when are they gonna sell a cosmetic with a smoke hanging out of the side of my vet's mouth?
answer, never, because GW

[serene sage]

it's in #📢news-bulletin, take a look yourself

[south garnet]

We'll have packs of smokes taped to your goddamn head but never smoking

[tawny kraken]

smoking isn't healthy

[forest scaffold]

along with this.

[south garnet]

A lit cigarette with a little light source and smoke effect like the zealot's candles would be so fucking wicked

[untold mulch]

Being shot at isn't healthy

[forest scaffold]

This is what I use

[south garnet]

No, but it does make you cool

[tawny kraken]

idk what you mean it's great for the humors

[south spindle]

Can confirm, Recon Las actually kinda slaps on Finesse build

But it does hinge entirely on your ability to aim

[serene sage]

autogun
zero rending whatsoever

[forest scaffold]

I mean

literally everything about veteran right now is just super high skill floor

[hard cave]

did the mtx store get refreshed

[forest scaffold]

which is extremely unfortunate

[hard cave]

or is it thursday

[tawny kraken]

aiming? in this game? welp it's useless

[forest scaffold]

Its like Fatshark took the design of Shade on Kerillian and then said "lets make all vet builds like that"

[unreal drum]

huh? wtf do I need rending for?

[quasi socket]

worth the grabs from brunt?

[bitter turtle]

idk you can get those numbers without exec stance and less aiming on any of the iags im p sure tho

[ionic scarab]

B-but I love aiming...

[south spindle]

Idk that i'd agree with that tbh, Shout is pretty braindead

[wintry phoenix]

yeah hitting things with your bullets is pretty important 💀

[forest scaffold]

left one no, right one yes

[forest scaffold]

You say that Wizard

and then you watch a veteran collect 9 deaths

Shout REALLY isn't as braindead as people like to say it is

[south spindle]

You can get 2k Rager DPS outside stance on Recon

Its really quite good with MF

[woeful hare]

Recon still not working with shock trooper?

[south spindle]

Thats just the average tier of player on all classes tho

[soft solstice]

The revive puts more thought into about but you don’t need much to make shout work

[south garnet]

shout is best used as an offensive weapon

[forest scaffold]

It does

it always did

[unreal drum]

It's really less about the setup and abilities and more about the player.

[serene sage]

I know you are trying to use krak for Carapace but you are overinvesting in points for krak (tinkered, extra nades, demo team, etc.) when you can just grab the cheaper rending options, and it helps with other armor types, too.
also no iron will when you are so close

[forest scaffold]

Fatshark just nerfed Shock Trooper

[bitter turtle]

idk

[forest scaffold]

it has an Internal Cooldown Timer

[bitter turtle]

i just whippped out my graia

i dont even need to aim and its 2k on a rager

[south spindle]

No, its always worked with Shocktrooper, they just made it do you dont get infinite ammo, you get no ammo use on the first crit, not for the rest of the chain

[forest scaffold]

and recon lasguns don't have crit strings anymore

[bitter turtle]

i know its like "iags op" but still

[forest scaffold]

So its just survivalist 2.0

[untold mulch]

It was a deliberate nerf

[forest scaffold]

not "literally infinite ammo"

[bitter turtle]

its not even colu

[woeful hare]

Never saw it in any of the notes.

[forest scaffold]

fatshark doesn't do patch notes very well

[ionic scarab]

You mean recon can't crit?

[serene sage]

You are expecting a lot here brother

[forest scaffold]

NO

NONONONO

IT CAN CRIT

[south spindle]

Well yeah.. exactly this, but saying Recons are bad is a misnomer, they're not overtuned, but they're still pretty strong

[untold mulch]

Bold of you to assume their patchnotes are accurate

[woeful hare]

Clearly they suck at notes.

[soft solstice]

While when I use inflintrate I feel like I’m just playing a worst shout and a worst stealth zealot, I feel like it’s hard to make it work to the point that it should maybe be replaced

[forest scaffold]

It just doesn't have CRIT STRINGS

a crit is a crit is a crit

[wintry phoenix]

does witch gun you use matter too mutch?

[forest scaffold]

it doesn't roll 3-6 crits per crit anymore

just 1

[bitter turtle]

im sure they're usable but why use a gun that does the same thing but worse

if they had some kind of niche i'd understand

but they'

[south spindle]

They do btw, they just dont give ammo for the crit string, though idk if the MKVII is different, i use MKVI

[bitter turtle]

are just another full auto rifle

[wintry phoenix]

cus ive just been useing the hellbore since vet lvl 18

[serene sage]

no really, some will need more investments than others, but you can make anything work.

[forest scaffold]

Get outta here with this

[snow pendant]

does iron will reduce the toughness dmg from venting plasma ?

[forest scaffold]

"this thing isn't OP, so its dogshit"

Granted

[untold mulch]

Are we looping back to people coping that Recon are good?

[forest scaffold]

I lived in that world for a LONG time

but that shit has gotta go

[bitter turtle]

i didnt use those words

im just asking

[serene sage]

okay maybe just grab a better one from Brunt shop lel

[soft solstice]

The main tbing recon las has is that their ADS has pretty much no recoil and some different blessings

[bitter turtle]

why use somethign that doesnt stand out in any way but worse

[unreal drum]

Brother, let me tell you, it's not over-invested. This shit slaps. I have yet to be out damaged by anything with this build. The higher the difficulty the nuttier it gets. More things to kill, more cool down, more grenades, more ammo. Everything dies. If you happen to not have a grenade you're not gonna shoot crushers anyways, you're going to poke it in the face with your power sword and it's gonna die real fast.

[forest scaffold]

Its something that kills specials and elites

along with having an ammo economy for ranged adds

[bitter turtle]

i udnerstand using something that isnt optimal if it offers a unique experience

[south spindle]

They kinda are though, they're just not silly like a bunch of shit people wanna compare them to

[forest scaffold]

and its not bad at it

its just not super fucking OP

[bitter turtle]

but its just the exact same gun

but with laser particles

[ionic scarab]

I like fast "pew-pew" guns.

[forest scaffold]

recon lasguns have literally zero recoil

which makes them immediately better for 90% of the player population

[woeful hare]

What is the build?

[bitter turtle]

the agri and graia basically have negligible recoil anyway

[forest scaffold]

IAGs need a good amount of recoil control

[serene sage]

well if it works for you then I won't make anymore comments
I personally won't invest that much in Krak, that's all.

[bitter turtle]

and idk

if a player is bad

then im not going to trust them running

MF recon

[south spindle]

Recon really is a "point an click adventure"

[bitter turtle]

and not huffing all the ammo from not hitting heads either

[wintry phoenix]

not the same hellbore lol. i meant the same model

[snow pendant]

either burst or deadshot or exe stance

[forest scaffold]

You get 4-8 ammo back on special/elite kill

[south garnet]

Is this a grenadier PS6 + plas build? Because if so I think I have an almost identical one based on your description for "I will not be losing more matches tonight" moods lol

[forest scaffold]

if you're huffing all the ammo on the map

[snow pendant]

also does iron will reduce the toughness dmg from plasma venting ?

[forest scaffold]

you're terrible at aiming

and an IAG is just going to be worse

[south garnet]

ALL nade nodes

[bitter turtle]

thats what i mean

[forest scaffold]

[bitter turtle]

you said

[south garnet]

shredders baybee

[bitter turtle]

"its better for most of the population"

idk

[south spindle]

If you can leverage MF, IE: the highest skill floor Keystone, then you can leverage Recon, if you cant leverage the prior, dont even look at the latter

[bitter turtle]

most of the pop cant aim headshots

[forest scaffold]

Because it IS

[bitter turtle]

they can bodyshot tho

[forest scaffold]

because it has ZERO recoil

[unreal drum]

I respect that. I highly encourage you to try it out though. It's rather nuts. The mk8 BrAG CHUNKs flak armor so you can less than one clip entire mauler patrols.

[forest scaffold]

so you can beam down heads with zero effort

[bitter turtle]

which the iags can do well even if you're dogshit at aiming at heads

id rather just stick an agri iag on them

[south garnet]

constantly regenerating grenade blender is honestly insane

[bitter turtle]

with negligible recoil and effective at nearly all ranges

[unreal drum]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ad4f466-42a2-4ba3-ab4c-49497de4de51/killallthethings For those that were asking, this is what Fox and I were talking about.

[bitter turtle]

and can bodyshot a rager with 2k dps

[south garnet]

I don't even have to shoot during most hordes, just for fun

[bitter turtle]

rather than "you must headshot"

even with 0 recoil

[soft solstice]

Maybe? I feel like the damage you get from venting is so low that it doesn’t really matter with the far away toughness regen or being in coherency, but I mostly run plasma with iron will so maybe that’s a big reason why I don’t notice it mattering

[ionic scarab]

Hot-shot lasguns when?

[forest scaffold]

Its not even a must

[snow pendant]

does this reduce the toughness from plasma venting

[south garnet]

oh noo haha not 20 ragers 10 crushers 6 bulwarks 3 flamers and 2 trappers nooo hits G twice

[bitter turtle]

idk

like i said

im not saying

[forest scaffold]

You can sit there and hold mouse 1 on enemies

[whole moon]

When Birnham Wood to Dunsinane come

[south spindle]

Recon as a massive mag, good ammo efficiency with Shocktrooper and good aim, ammo pickups give you a bunch back.. Survivalist extends its avaliable pool massively...

[bitter turtle]

all unoptimal shit is bad

[untold mulch]

My will for Hotshot lasguns has increased since I am grinding Rogue Trader and my character with a HotShot is melting everything

[forest scaffold]

recon lasguns aren't even unoptimal

they're just not super fucking OP

They're "Solid"

A-Tier

[bitter turtle]

would you call agri iag op

[forest scaffold]

No

[south spindle]

They're not even that inefficient when it comes to special killing tbh

[forest scaffold]

Colomnus sorta kinda

[snow pendant]

i thought it would reduce the toughness cost with it

[bitter turtle]

its def worse than agri iag at least

[south spindle]

Just dont piss it up the wall on trash enemies

[bitter turtle]

the recons i mean

[forest scaffold]

But the agria IAG definitely not

[bitter turtle]

like i said

[south spindle]

Columnus is very OP

[bitter turtle]

you can get those same numbers on bodyshots

with agri

at long range as well, so none of the blessings are even kicking on on the weapon

and no crits

[forest scaffold]

Wat

[south spindle]

But hey, if you dont wanna aim, or even try, might i suggest BAGs?

[forest scaffold]

you can long range with recon lasguns

[bitter turtle]

no i mean

you dont need to jump through so many hoops

to get the same numbers on agri

[forest scaffold]

or a plasma gun

[soft solstice]

Don’t recoil still use the reverse damage fall off?

[forest scaffold]

literally the king of "don't aim."

[untold mulch]

Recon was changed to have normal fall off

[unreal drum]

Also, with Exhil Takedown being fixed I feel pretty safe not taking iron will, you constantly regen toughness as long as you're killing. The higher the difficulty the "easier" your sustain gets.

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/6bc0d5fe0624ba2c85d7b009fb9278b7.jpg

[sharp ember]

that was also only the mk6 recon that used to

[bitter turtle]

like my point is

why jump through so many hoops for recon

[soft solstice]

Variety is nice

[forest scaffold]

but

[bitter turtle]

when agri can do it the same without me even a proper build for it lol

[forest scaffold]

you're not?

[snow pendant]

but still putting out good dmg

[bitter turtle]

its the same experience

[south spindle]

Point and click adventure time

[serene sage]

well say what you will, my anecdotal experience if that every single recon users I see in my games is either perma hugging the floor or bottom fragging.

[south spindle]

Have you seen the average skill of the playerbase though?

[forest scaffold]

they're doing the same with literally everything

you're just attributing it to recon lasgun

[south spindle]

Its not an effective measuring stick

[forest scaffold]

instead of player skill

[bitter turtle]

yes and unironically they do even worse with recon

[crude wind]

I don't think you need IW in every build either

[bitter turtle]

we played with ah recon advocate earlier weeks back

they werent even bad

[soft solstice]

As much as I love my plasma gun and las pistol, it gets boring to use nothing but those two

[bitter turtle]

but they did lower dmg relative to us

lol

[wary galleon]

average autogun run be like

[bitter turtle]

that was before the new trees but still

[ionic scarab]

Autoguns are yucky no offense

[serene bough]

plasma is too nutty rn for me to enjoy using

[wary galleon]

they tickle my rambo neurons

[crude wind]

same

[bitter turtle]

idk im sure like

[crude wind]

just feels ridiculous

[serene bough]

it kind of kills the fun when you can instantly delete a pack of gunners by ganking them right out of the spawn

[bitter turtle]

the recon is usable i get it

[forest scaffold]

sure, I can post a nutty scoreboard too

[unreal drum]

Exhil TD and CC almost seem like overkill. It's pretty nice.

[bitter turtle]

i just dont see why you would use it when its so similar to the IAGs but with crap maniac damage in exchange for 0 recoil as its sole "defining feature"

[snow pendant]

autogun has stagger

[ionic scarab]

Well it is plasma after all...

[snow pendant]

good ones

[crude wind]

yeah v nice, and u get coherency toughness

[bitter turtle]

if you hate recoil, agri has little recoil anyway

not saying you MUST USE COLU

[crude wind]

not an excuse for bad game balance

[ivory ivy]

I recall hearing good things about the vraks mk3, anyone know if it's actually good?

[south garnet]

just another day of watching a recon user spray down poxwalkers while missing the crusher, trapper and flamer walking right up to him

[wary galleon]

was more about the carrying then the numbers. but there is always a bigger fish i suppose

[serene sage]

well it should mean something if I have seen shotguns do well, bolter do well, every gun I have seen a few people do well, just not recon
of course it doesn't definitively "prove" anything
but it SEEMS to be a statistical anomaly (if my biases aren't that big).

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/puri-puri-prisoner-puri-puri-shake-gif-24802998

[unreal drum]

I haven't seen anyone with recon do well as of late.

[woeful hare]

Exactly. Fs did a shit job balancing it.

[south garnet]

anecdotal evidence is still evidence, in absence of alternatives like hard numbers to look at

[serene sage]

and like most people here share the same experience regarding recon users as well

[serene bough]

i dont even see recon often anymore

[crude wind]

recon is piss gun

get ready for piss

[wary galleon]

i like the concept. just dont like numbers

[ionic scarab]

What would you suggest to do with a weapon that shoots sun

[unreal drum]

I've seen a couple, most of them took several dirt naps.

[crude wind]

it's coming fast and coming in warm

[crude wind]

tune down cleave on lights

[south garnet]

not hot, just warm

[crude wind]

max 3 targets

[soft solstice]

I know that recon las shocktrooper builds were hot for awhile when the skill tree dropped and people were moaning that veteran was dogshit ruined, so it could be a lot of people trying what they heard was the best build without knowing why or being that great

[crude wind]

2*

save mega cleave for heavy shots

[unreal drum]

In a world where there's a mk8bag and mk5iag the recons are just.... meh.

[wary galleon]

what i want the recon las to be, might as well be a hotshot so idk what should be done with it

[serene bough]

I think recon can still fill its niche

[bitter turtle]

stick a bayonet on recon

i fixed it

[serene sage]

Well I get that. I play exclusively Auric T5/M and I find Frag Nade to be a much more spammable option, 2x frag kills nearly everything in a 2 miles radius.
We can just chalk it up to personal preferences, ig.

[serene bough]

it has garbage maniac damage but it's lack of recoil and steady stream of bullets lets you wipe out a pack of gunners

[brisk sapphire]

Recon feels like a garden hose

[bitter turtle]

bayonet on recon

pls

fatshark

i would literally play it forever then

actulaly has a niche too over iags

[wary galleon]

make it shoot servoskulls and give it an attachement of a little screen so we can see hadron cry everytime we pull the trigger

[south garnet]

Frag nades with all nade perks is wild as shit on hi shock dam lol

[bitter turtle]

lower damage, but has the melee option

good for a high mobility bumrushing smg like they wanted it to be

[south garnet]

Don't even have to play, just hit G and click every now and then

[wary galleon]

oh yea its really good! also nice pfp

[ionic scarab]

Why remove twin-linked from it? Isn't it a nerf?

[serene sage]

bayonet on an SMG just seems themetically funny

[south spindle]

This is one mag from optimised Recon build vs one mag from Graia....

Both with 15 MF stacks

[bitter turtle]

wdym, the alt fire right now is flashlight

[soft solstice]

I would say make it more smg like but I feel like that would be hard with the iag having good fire rates and damage, and also normal ammo usage

[unreal drum]

I like to micro manage my kraks, I like tossing them in and seeing how many I can push together for fun time spam.

[wary galleon]

just remove the bloody 1/3 ammo thing so redundant and confusing

[south garnet]

plasma + PS loadout frees up basically all your talent points so that's what I use on my grenadier

[soft solstice]

With recon using 2-3 ammo per shot, I don’t think the amount of shots they have is much different than the higher ammo auto guns? It’s been a bit since I checked but I think that checks out

[serene sage]

I'm assuming shocktroop helps prolonging that one mag by a lot?

[south garnet]

It basically means you end up able to handle anything no matter what with very little effort

[bitter turtle]

im not sure what your build is

[serene sage]

so one magging isn't exaclty fair?

[bitter turtle]

but i literally just threw something together that did more in one mag

[south garnet]

No matter the volume and no matter the target

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/7a028731600ec8b0185f2c3b38d5acc7.jpg

with less mf stacks too mind you

i took camoflauge instead of 15 stacks just cause realistically im taking camo lol

[wary galleon]

considering this is essentially 248 shots in total for lasgun.
and the autogun....

seems like it should have been opposite

[merry gale]

after playing histg with the new chainsword

dam lights are fast

thought i was playing zealot for a second

[serene bough]

i feel like autoguns and recon should fill the same role but with reverse priorities

[snow pendant]

if it didnt did it ? use more nades

[quaint valve]

Whats the best perks/blessings for new mk3 shovel?

[serene bough]

recon good for flak IAG for maniac

[crude ermine]

You only lose because you didn't throw enough grenades

[soft solstice]

It’s been awhile since I used a braced, I don’t remember the ammo being that high

[wary galleon]

dont they already? the MK7 is really good against special/elites

[brisk sapphire]

Brauto ammo was buffed some time ago

[serene bough]

on paper maybe but currently IAGs just shred everythhing whereas recon struggles against maniac

[wary galleon]

with ranged build especially that 25% ammo reserve. it gets wild you can just hold lmb for a long time

[serene bough]

not to mention ammo econ for recon is worse

[bitter turtle]

on paper but they also nerfed recon flak dmg back a while ago remember

[soft solstice]

I know they got buffed but didn’t remember it being that much, I remember the iag with more ammo being on par with the braced

[bitter turtle]

for 6d at least

[brisk sapphire]

Brautos prolly the most mindless hold m1 guns in the game

[serene sage]

truly

[wary galleon]

guess they complimented its role more, being a spray and pray weapon

[delicate moat]

recon can't catch a break

[south spindle]

Thats the point yeah

[brisk sapphire]

Well those and stubbers

[forest blaze]

can't have nice things if we have hugely popular forum posts about how OP an interaction is 😂

[forest scaffold]

heavy stubbers on ogryn

specifically the achlys

280 rounds without reloading

[soft solstice]

Even with shocktrooper the 2 bullets cost for a single shot still gives it a lesser ammo Econ

[serene bough]

shocktrooper on infantry lasguns though

[unreal drum]

gotdamned right they are.

[serene bough]

love it

[serene sage]

what is the DPS though?

[south garnet]

yea truly pants-shitting moments become almost comedic, you can have a conga line of every special in the game choking the room so bad there isn't even room on the floor to go down in, press g and click twice or three times if you want to be really sure, the kill feed spools so fast you can't even count them and then you can chuckle as you watch your teammates spinning around in a panic trying to get a sitrep and address the next threat, only to find none

[wary galleon]

makes me wanna headbang given the rpm is like a nice death metal song

[signal rock]

are there still blessings that trigger duck and dive?

on ranged weapons

[forest blaze]

tinkerer frags go brrrrrr

[south garnet]

with refill on box, refill every min, and refill chance on elite kill lmao

[snow pendant]

G is my micheal bay effect button after the effects play out i get a clear scenery is like a therapy itself

[serene bough]

ive come to appreciate frags more in deleting maulers and ragers

[forest blaze]

my guns are grenades

[serene bough]

more importantly, shredder frags are the only grenade i can justify taking twinned blast with

and I like twinned blast

[wary galleon]

its a special treat when you get a vet with nade perk. and you are an ogryn with big boom

[bitter turtle]

here['s 1 mag of agri btw

https://i.gyazo.com/3551b38a2a714c7c235f606c01ab96ef.jpg

[atomic zephyr]

tinkerer frag with twinned detonation :)

[south garnet]

one THOUSAND percent, I have plasma and PS 6 as backup but I use them almost as a convenience for strays rather than actual fighting most of the time

[soft solstice]

I really want a veteran grenade launcher but I don’t think they would be able to balance it how I would like ammo to damage wise

[crude ermine]

With revolver I really don't need Krak for the fact that I have mini kraks in the chamber with crits

[forest blaze]

I've recently started coming around to smoke grenades. I felt they were a meme for forever up until I tried them on That Room in Carnival and they alone increased my qp auric winrate by 20% 😂

[languid escarp]

kraker

[snow pendant]

also it helps very much to go grenade build on higher difficulty if u pub with pepegas that cant even handle poxwalker horde

[forest blaze]

I am a plasma stan but I recently switched from PS6 to the new Chainaxe

[serene bough]

smokes are okay

[atomic zephyr]

i run a build with shredders, every grenade talent and a plasma gun and its definitely my most capable build

[unreal drum]

Poor mans dome shield.

[wary galleon]

yea they are super under-used never seem them

[serene bough]

I still find it difficult to justify taking them over kraks or shredders

[soft solstice]

Smokes can kind of also make good use of it too but that means taking smokes. Smokes justify twinned but twinned doesn’t justify smokes

[soft hound]

Vraks III... Good or nah?

[south garnet]

I kind of want to try the OG chainaxe again, I have a bunch of great ones I've sat on waiting for them to be fixed

[crude ermine]

They serve niche situations but by the god emperor when that niche comes they pull their weight

[serene sage]

Good 👍

[south garnet]

Heard the new one is good though

[serene bough]

twinned smokes are silly

[wary galleon]

its much better in terms of hitting more

but eeh

[forest blaze]

Dude I thought the same... but I can save like 1-3 talent points and I get mobile quasi cover for bad gunner rooms and it's been working great

[atomic zephyr]

i prefer vraks 7 but 3 is consistent

[soft solstice]

I feel like smokes don’t work great, the smokes hurts you as much as enemies, and I feel like its hard to find a situation where a smoke would be useful, unlike every other blitz in the game

[forest blaze]

OG chainaxe is ok. New chaxe has the strikedown heavies that you can spec to one shot ragers and crushers... which is pog

[serene bough]

true

[bitter turtle]

biggest reason to take smokes if you want to go infiltrate imo

[soft hound]

I'm struggling to use mine, what's it's niche? Might just be a get gud on my part too.

[bitter turtle]

otherwise you sac so much 😔

[south garnet]

I need to more seriously give smokes a try, it just doesn't help that the mechanics of them are relatively unclear

[forest blaze]

yah and I'm an infiltrate stan

[serene bough]

smokes definitely dont have that same satisfying kill-feed filler though

[wary galleon]

when you are getting pinned down by 500 gunners in a room and no way to get to them.

[soft solstice]

I never once seen anyone use smokes and felt like it helped at all

[snow pendant]

what blessings aside from flak and cara perks ?

[forest blaze]

My plasma is my kill-feed filler

[serene bough]

clearing 20+ maulers with shredders or 4 crushers with 1 krak is a euphorial i like to ride on

[soft solstice]

Frags and kraks are way easier to tell when’s a good time to use them

[south garnet]

The joy I receive seeing my guy casually underhanding two frags is practically indescribable

[forest blaze]

I'm running with Thrust / Slaughterer right now with flakiac but I'm moving to thunderous/bloodletter.. I just need hadron to stop being a bitch.

Thrust Slaughterer one shots both ragers on non special heavy and it'll one shot crushers and maulers on special heavies. You'll also be one shotting all the hordes with lights. You don't have cleave... but your stagger just yeets the horde like a bully club

[dusk idol]

the fkn animation they make as they slap into the ground upon death

[forest blaze]

straight up just pressing W and spamming M1 into a horde hallway is awesome. The horde just dies and gets yeeted around while you take no damage.

[snow pendant]

yeah the new axe acts like those combat axe without special which what made it better to use on horde than old axe , i'll attempt with those blessing if i have em

[atomic zephyr]

going stealth and dropping frags is the cooler version of the 'drop smoke and disappear' trope

[forest blaze]

Yah. Thrusterer makes it feel like a less good Rashad with a special chainsaw effect. Bloodletter/Thunderous apparently gets the same effect AND it fucks up monstros

[snow pendant]

my concern is when u deal with more than 1 armor , u need to control them with grenades or reduce their number first before u go up with special heavy

[forest blaze]

I find that I have good enough stagger to just block stab heavy and chunk the ragers

[snow pendant]

otherwise when u grind with special heavy u will get 1 shot and floored

[south spindle]

Idk on Plogryn as i refuse to use the healthbar mod, but yeah, point remains, Recon is actually pretty gud, people are just.. well...

[bitter turtle]

infil is fun

[south garnet]

based

[bitter turtle]

i wish they'd just move survivalist aura to the middle

if they're going to insist on not balancing them

lol

so i can pick infiltrate without feeling bad more

[snow pendant]

when it comes to crusher squad u gotta drop some grenades and put down a few with guns bfore u melee the remaining ones then

[forest blaze]

For maulers/crushers you could kill them one at a time with the special heavies or you can switch to plasma... this is why I'm wanting to do the thunderous/bloodletter.. because I can heavy cancel bleed them

thrusterer chaxe vs maulers/crushers you have to pick out one at a time which isn't as ideal... thunderletter will brittle and bleed them all to death with special heavy cancels

or... just shoot them with plasma

[wary galleon]

hmm what should i change on this?

ofc the perks but

[forest blaze]

weak spot to unarmored and shattering to blaze away

[quaint valve]

Shattering is still ok, but yeah blaze away better if you have it. Blaze away is only T3 Btw

[south garnet]

blaze away is so disgusting on plasma, especially in claustrophobic sections it's just absolutely not ok

[forest blaze]

blaze away is cracked

[wary galleon]

hmm that would go towards shooting more then doing higher powered shots no? compared to shattering

[snow pendant]

is aggro assessment if the whole squad isnt coming for you then u can special grind them down if not is grenades and plasma to reduce some numbers b4 going in with special heavy grind

[forest blaze]

you'll want to do uncharged shots for the most part anyways

[snow pendant]

i only full charge if i want to kill something behind a wall of meat like gunners or specials like bombers/flamers/trappers

[forest blaze]

maulers I'm not worried about because with plas I can kneecap them and that's gg

[wary galleon]

hmm only got T3 blaze on 8% power. is that acceptable?

[forest blaze]

yah

[snow pendant]

because those always likes to hide behind meat and u have to delete them asap when u can

[south garnet]

yes, and you can upgrade it when you pick up a t4 later

[forest blaze]

I use infil + smokes + plasma + chaxe + weapon spec currently and it's been running great in AM/AD

[snow pendant]

y smoke

[wary galleon]

i just played a match earlier where a vet just kept dumping shots through a locked doorway,

was almost tempted to think he had wallhack

[wary galleon]

hmm yea i guess if i leave the perks alone until

[south garnet]

if he took exec then he did ha

[forest blaze]

talent pathing and I find smokes win games in shooter rooms. it's kinda silly.

tinkerer frags win games too but I can't afford the talent pathing

[wary galleon]

hmm but would shattering impact not be better during boss?

[forest blaze]

you won't be using the plasma vs a boss/monstro anyways

[bitter turtle]

Shattering doesnt help plasma much in the first place

[forest blaze]

^^

[snow pendant]

makes sense

[forest blaze]

vs bosses/monstros you'll be wasting ammo a ton with plasma. switch to melee

[wary galleon]

yea i guess, the monstro are not armored anyway

[wary galleon]

ur not da boss of me >;d

[forest blaze]

😂

the only monstro you'll likely use plas on is the fuckin beast of nurgle

[south garnet]

one, buffing teammates and helping others is for the weak-hearted and weak-minded. Two, shattering is not good on plasma and you shouldn't waste ammo on monstros if possible. three, blaze away.

[forest blaze]

^^

blaze away because on plas, your most economic ammo option is to just LMB your way through.

[serene bough]

big blue microwave go brrrrrr

[snow pendant]

its the only one that makes sense to shoot unless u can headshot pogryn constantly

[serene sage]

Based self reliance

[forest blaze]

You can also shoot chaos spawn if you suck in melee vs him

[snow pendant]

unless u have aggro i find that to be bad ammo econ cuz the head is protected from any angle but the front

stupid mutie model

[forest blaze]

100%

[south garnet]

butthole should be considered weakspot on bosses

[forest blaze]

gross but also yes

the unprotected butthole is the weakest spot

[snow pendant]

i just find the weakspot design for chaos spawn to be very ass

[crude ermine]

I don't want to think about it too much so I'll just agree

[snow pendant]

its 100% designed to be anti guns

[forest blaze]

I do think that new chaxe12 with thunderletter will be much better vs armor/monstros than thrusterer... I just need to get one 😂

[snow pendant]

and chaos spawn is the most jumpy twitchy mf monster in the game

[south spindle]

Chaos Spawn is all about a hybrid fight

[forest blaze]

because auto 16 bleed and auto max brittle is a LOT

[snow pendant]

chasing it is just as much as a pain as chasing a DH

[wary galleon]

think of the aroma

[south spindle]

It has moves you can punish with guns and moves you can punish in melee

Also, Shout makes Spawn a joke

[forest blaze]

If fighting the DH wasn't just such a piss poor experience, I'd be more willing to do it.

Gotta chase that b all over the room while he's floating and weaving like a boxer

[south garnet]

see? just begging for some variety of HE

[snow pendant]

i'll shoot straight until FS gives us a reward for killing monsters , i would say killing monsters any of em is a piss poor experience

[serene sage]

The shit spray when the HE hits 💀💀💀

[forest blaze]

If DH gave me an automatic 500+ weapon I'm in

[snow pendant]

everyone would banish that bitch back into the warp

[serene sage]

Granted but every gun has +stamina and +infested damage

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-in-the-hole-bomb-gun-bombs-away-throw-gif-15662715

[forest blaze]

😂 and T1/2 blessings only

Wait. All the ranged have that stupid close quarters suppression blessing

[serene sage]

Terrifying(ly Bad) Barrage

[tiny summit]

Yea I fight chaos with only my melee (bayonet only). Damn can the dmg be nutty and the range you can stab him with. You can stab him while staying out of his advancing combo

[sonic grove]

I like TB for powersword agile engagement builds

Gives a window to turn the sword on

[snow pendant]

most convinient gun

[tiny summit]

Struggling to use any weapons besides plasma or helbore atm

[quasi socket]

helbore is growing on me

[south garnet]

Nurgle got you too huh

[tiny summit]

Right now the only scenario I'm feeling naked with the helbore is when I can't get a shot on a bulwark. But that's more them just being across the field running towards us.

If I catch their side before aggroed they just get 2 tapped

[quasi socket]

im just worried hadron gonna wreck it

[snow pendant]

u need to learn that the game director when spawning ogryn squad first thing they do is sprint and press the team

so gotta have a counter against that so u dont lose ground

[quasi socket]

also still running shout because comfort

[snow pendant]

shout , stealth or death grenades are the the answers

[quasi socket]

that and was is everyone wanting to sprint through matches

**why is

[snow pendant]

if ur team ogryn is an explosive rare type even better

box of grenades and rumbler will make quick work of them

even a kickback ogryn can floor them in 1 shot or open bulwarks so the armor formation will have a hole open

if u got a competent psyker normally thats all i takes to stop the armor advance, because aside from purge fire staff other staff can CC them so the team can butcher the armors

another alternative is a zealot with fire grenade

the longer they stay to press the team the faster the armor melt

[wary galleon]

hmm im not sure if i should discard it and look for one with better pen

[snow pendant]

get better pen

dmg , pen and shredder are important

[muted knot]

Don't like the new chainaxes at all

[wary galleon]

sometimes i see a modifier with like 25% difference but the actual numbers are very low in comparison.

Like the ammo on some of the autoguns feel off

hmm ima check for a better pen

[quasi socket]

1st damnation run, im scared boss

[crude ermine]

Don't be

Just don't die lol

[snow pendant]

u can go down just dont die

[crude ermine]

And remember to eat plastic

[quasi socket]

will try, no promises

[snow pendant]

if u die because of trolls and barrels then open new tab or watch a video while u wait to get picked up

[wary galleon]

ah much better

[quasi socket]

running shout colum, shredder

[ivory forum]

if you do die make sure its by a crusher so you dont even feel it

[abstract moth]

Kill kill kill? Kill!

[crude ermine]

Or if you get killed by something outta ye control it ain all tha bad compared to somethin in ye control

[crude ermine]

Needs higher defence smh

[wary galleon]

tru anything below 80 is waste of space. back to the casino

[ivory forum]

basically, if its not 375+ its garbage. got it?

[south spindle]

Not at all, stat spread is more important than base rating in many cases

[ivory forum]

i know, just joking

[wary galleon]

pretty good so far

all though i wished the thunderous was t4

[south spindle]

Hard to tell, a lot of people really are like that :L

[ivory forum]

im not too hard on min-maxing, but irespect the hussle

[wary galleon]

why /s is so important, sarcasm online is nigh impossible to read

[south spindle]

Well, sometimes

Butye

[bitter turtle]

btw

i heard bromentum still works on bayonet

any other blessing still work?

[abstract moth]

So what did they add with 5gb update?

[ivory forum]

enemy flame got nerfed

[abstract moth]

Ah okay

[south spindle]

Given the Karnak event ends in a few hours, its no unlikely they flip a switch for a new content drop, particularly given most of a new map is already in the files and mostly playable

[wary galleon]

was thinking either flak or maniac. since it can almost 1 shot them.

and idk if i should safe the last bless spot for that t4 10 stack of bleed on special

[south spindle]

Just incomplete

[wary galleon]

what do you guys think?

[abstract moth]

They are going to add a new map segment? Really? That's neat! 3 map segments in such short time

[south spindle]

Potentially, someone was talking about it in here yesterday

[ivory forum]

cant wait for rinda "crack addict" to be gone tbh

[frozen meadow]

I doubt they are adding it now if they already released the hotfix

[south spindle]

Its not confirmed, just someone mentioned that there was more added in the last update than was made avaliable

[south spindle]

Well it was nearly 4GB, thats a lot of shit for a hotfix

[abstract moth]

To me was 5gb

[frozen meadow]

Could just be data for next updatw

[south spindle]

I dont think adding an audio file and changing values constitues a patch that size

[frozen meadow]

I mean amazing if it is before they go for winter break

[flat dock]

Does anyone else enjoy using the agrapiana braced autogun

[south spindle]

Ye

And Graia

Not sold on Columnus BAG tho

[flat dock]

I’m using it on a veteran named BrandonHerrera

Half tempted to get the mod to rename weapons and then rename it AK-50

[dusty sluice]

yes

[abstract moth]

Graia goes BRAAAAAAAAAAAA

[dusty sluice]

wait this isn't general

[south spindle]

Jab in a speed stimm and you become a land-bound A-10

[muted knot]

Go the full way with weapon customization and make the boltgun into your own ak-50

[flat dock]

Nah boltgun doesn’t fit that well