veteran-class

[south spindle]

I rolled Deva'/Shred on mine an tbh, its fuckin solid, one of the few weapons i can say actually benifits heavily from cleave blessing

[fleet thicket]

No guardsmen of mine will be running chainaxe

[sharp ember]

ahh chainaxe is pretty slick for a navy-breacher type though

[fleet thicket]

I be honest

The new chainaxe I tested it

[atomic zephyr]

the plasma gun shots not showing up half the time when firing is really fucking weird

[fleet thicket]

It's still league behind rashad

At least with zealot I got so much melee bonus damage than I can make up for that

[atomic zephyr]

spicy

[fleet thicket]

Bricked

Unfortunately

[south spindle]

If it didnt feel like it was more clubbing your target to death than it does a chainaxe, it would get a bit more hype about it tbh

[atomic zephyr]

how is that bricked

[sharp ember]

I like it

[next spade]

guys you gotta give the Columnus Braced Autogun a try
I first thought its a farce but I just topped damage on Auric Damnation and I played 95% of the match with just firing full auto at any range, its crazy good

[south spindle]

Where is the gore on the new one vs old?

[fleet thicket]

It's pen

It's very bad

[atomic zephyr]

oh

[sharp ember]

thunderous covers pen

[mint oar]

hi im new to the game

[sharp ember]

except for over 100% enemies anyway

[fleet thicket]

No slaughterer either

Not good perks too...

[south spindle]

Its decent, but it aint Graia or Agri'

[mint oar]

does the commodore shop change at all? im trying to get the kriegsman cosmetics

[sharp ember]

I use a chainaxe with the same blessing setup and it does well

[atomic zephyr]

rotates

every uhhhh

week or two weeks i forgot

[next spade]

these are better? I mean autoguns in general, nobody seems to use them

[south spindle]

Two weeks ye

[sharp ember]

every 2 weeks, on a thursday i think

[south spindle]

Those two are high A, maybe low S tier imo

[atomic zephyr]

autoguns fucking rock rn

[mint oar]

how long has it been since the last rotation?

[south spindle]

They're kinda overshadowed by the IAGs at the minute, but they're not really hurting for damage output at all

[sharp ember]

don't know, haven't been keeping track

[south spindle]

It'll be this Thursday when it next rotates

[atomic zephyr]

would you guys say the new chainaxe is good for a melee vet build?

[next spade]

autoguns rock but braced autoguns with the brittleness talents and some solid blessings also destroy

[mint oar]

this Thursday?

[next spade]

chainaxe is very good right now

[south spindle]

Chainsword honestly

[brisk sapphire]

brautos are a simple man's IAG

[south spindle]

New one

[umbral scaffold]

this worth getting?

[sharp ember]

yeah i use it on a build

[atomic zephyr]

yeah i have a good chainsword rn im just looking for variety's sake

[atomic zephyr]

what's it look like

[south spindle]

Yeah, but you probably wont be getting the Kreig ones for a while, they've not long been in

[next spade]

chainaxe is the hardest crusher and mauler killer in the game probably

[atomic zephyr]

if you have power cycler to slap on it yes

[sharp ember]

it's a demented smoke build with no ammo regen, i dunno if you'll like it

[atomic zephyr]

oh

[umbral scaffold]

what perk do i change

[atomic zephyr]

rampage to power cycler

[atomic zephyr]

the axe i mean lol

[brisk sapphire]

New ogryn shovel can one shot crushers

[umbral scaffold]

perk i said

[atomic zephyr]

i already have a melee build

oh perk

oop

[umbral scaffold]

not blessing

[atomic zephyr]

melee weak spot

to uh...maniac?

[umbral scaffold]

whats u

[south spindle]

Thats fair, Catachan Swords or MKIII Shovel would be my picks outside of the prior

[mint oar]

Well there are kreig ones rn but not the ones I want.

[next spade]

axe does it faster tho pretty sure and you can use light attack too

[umbral scaffold]

could i get a second opinion here

[atomic zephyr]

mk3 shovel i should probably get, already have a great dc4
i just really like chain weapons :)

[next spade]

for coins id say no

[south spindle]

That being said, if you could get a Chainaxe with Bloodletter on it.. that only needs to get the first damage tick of the rev attack, an then you can dodge out, but it will still apply the 16 bleedstack, so should be pretty dank

[next spade]

the stacks dont seem to deal that much

chainaxe rev does like 80% of a crusher the bleed like 10%

[south spindle]

16 stacks is enough to kill nearly everything other than really hard targets

[mint oar]

How do I do the marked for death penance?

[atomic zephyr]

oh neat

[next spade]

you mean with light attack

didnt think about that

[south spindle]

An the Rev will stagger Crushers, so if you have the room, they will just die to that

[sharp ember]

oh right, I have a few chainaxes because I'm still experimenting. But the few standouts I have run:
A) Headtaker + Slaughterer
B) Bloodletter + Thunderous
C) Headtaker + Thrust
D) Headtaker + Thunderous

[south spindle]

Use the rev, let it bite, dodge out, free 16 bleedstack

Do it twice, you've hit the hardcap on stacks (31)

[next spade]

if there is a horde of crushers and you team needs help the axe is there to destroy these and you gotta bring the damage

[mint oar]

Does anyone know how I do the marked for death penance?

[next spade]

and doing heavy rev is really the best way

[atomic zephyr]

use executioner's stance modifier that lets it refresh on every highlighted enemy killed + modifer that highlights every shooter

pair with any decently precise weapon you like

[next spade]

one heavy rev is I think like 3x light rev

[atomic zephyr]

i did it with an infantry lasgun

[south spindle]

Yes, but there is no need to do that on everything else, you just apply the bleeds, an they die

[mint oar]

No I mean how do I get it.

[atomic zephyr]

yes thats wht im saying, that's the strat

[south spindle]

16 stacks is a lot of damage vs anything thats not Carapace

[next spade]

any other usually dies on a revved heavy

[atomic zephyr]

click on heads

i literally got this penance by accident you'll understand

[next spade]

but just needing a revved light might be great yes

[south spindle]

Yes, but you're rooted to the spot an will get hit by other stuff doing that all the time

[trim hemlock]

That stack limit is lower for bleed, i.e., 16 is max.

[mint oar]

I'm not asking for the strat, I mean how do I do it, what does it mean by weakspots and secondary fire.

[atomic zephyr]

cool, thanks

[trim hemlock]

31 is max for Soulblaze and Burn

[south spindle]

Ahh is it, aight, still, shitloads of free damage for very little investment or risk

[atomic zephyr]

secondary fire is aim down sight, weakpoint is headshot

[mint oar]

what's ads?

[next spade]

Maelstrom with Scab only, I had 140 elite kills with the axe, its hard carrying these missions

[atomic zephyr]

edited message

[mint oar]

ooooooh so i need to get 4 headshots in a row with volley fire?

[atomic zephyr]

yes

[south spindle]

Yep, but you fuck up your timing ont rev attack in a lot of situations, you get pancaked

[atomic zephyr]

that's it

also works with executioner's stance when you unlock it

should make things easier because you can extend its duration

[next spade]

the shout really helps to give you a get out of jail card against crushers

[south spindle]

Bloodthirsty means you dont dodge out without applying at least a good chunk of damage

[mint oar]

okay and what's the strat for longbomb?

[atomic zephyr]

big open area with a horde coming at you
PRESS left click while looking in the air to throw frag

do not HOLD left click
PRESS left click

[south spindle]

Ye, its a pretty easy one to get though, shouldnt struggle with that

[atomic zephyr]

you can practice in psykanium

[mint oar]

what's the difference?

[next spade]

surely good for general mixed use but for crushers it dosnt make a difference, which I originally thought this would help against them

[atomic zephyr]

holding will make the fuse take much longer to explode

[tardy turtle]

https://gyazo.com/422ba56bff559432f498fa80e0eeb50a
Melk has finally ended my suffering

[sharp ember]

Bloodletter + Thunderous is really neat, the bleed ticks build brittleness stacks and improve the bleed damage. But this one takes a lot more time to kill trash.
I've been trying to build a good chaxe with Bloodletter + Headtaker because I think it will be both good at trash AND single target

[celest vine]

Melk has a shovel with limbsplitter 4 and all or nothing 3

Mk3 shovel

[south spindle]

Dont get overly fixated on Crushers, all things considered, they're not super high danger unless they box you in

[celest vine]

80% on all stats that matter

[mint oar]

okay then how do i aim the grenade?

[celest vine]

Thanks guy

[atomic zephyr]

when you press g you pull it out

dont aim it when you do, holding is how you aim it

just chuck it into the air

[south spindle]

They're slow as fuck, you can often clear everything else out without having to worry about them unless space is a premium

[cerulean void]

so when are we getting braced lasgun

[next spade]

not sure if its Thrust but you can also one shot a bulwark with a heavy

[mint oar]

ok ty

[atomic zephyr]

should i roll this

[sharp ember]

too risky, it's missing 1 dodge

[atomic zephyr]

[south spindle]

Its not a huge deal missing that one extra if you just play a bit more carefully

[atomic zephyr]

gee, thanks brunt.

[south spindle]

Lmao

[sharp ember]

that one might be missing 2

[south spindle]

Tertium's heavies Chainaxe

[atomic zephyr]

that ones funny ill keep that one

[mint oar]

do the 4 headshots need to be on the same enemy?

[atomic zephyr]

no

actually doesnt it specify headshot kills?

so four different enemies

[mint oar]

no it just says hit a weakpoint 4 times

[atomic zephyr]

oh ok nvm

honestly tech, dont worry too much about penances

just play game

you'll get half of the beginning ones by accident

[next spade]

bloodletter seems good against maulers as you can then bleed them out on one heavy

[atomic zephyr]

sigh
best axe i got

[south spindle]

All you need is the first damage tick, you can dodge out immediately an still apply the full stacks

[atomic zephyr]

its alright, i guess lol

[south spindle]

Tag em, dodge, free damage

[next spade]

ah I see

[quasi socket]

@mint oar i started during thanksgiving weekend, big thing is just getting mechanics/confidence and moving to next difficulty when comfortable. i got almost all redacted penances by just playing naturally (still need MESC)

[next spade]

yeah thats very convenient

[atomic zephyr]

holy fuck right after i complained brunt gave me a 379

only 67 penetration but i can fix that with thunderous

[south spindle]

Let the brickening commence

[atomic zephyr]

yeah

it's gonna get fucked

[quasi socket]

every so often hes got some good stuff in the shop too

[atomic zephyr]

hadron pls 🙏

[south spindle]

Remember to kneel at Hadron's

[next spade]

but the perk stacks are then the max stacks right?

[south spindle]

Use the emote

[elder vessel]

The blessings are always like t1 or t2

[atomic zephyr]

you know what? not bad.

[next spade]

so you cant stack the bleed stacks

[grand sable]

this one is at milk's right now, what should I change on it

[south spindle]

Test it in psykh

[south spindle]

Carapace to Maniac and you got basically a perfect roll

[atomic zephyr]

what should i replace on this?

[next spade]

doing right now, dosnt look like it

[grand sable]

sweet

[south spindle]

Could change Savage to Shred if you so desired, but there isnt a whole lot of need to

[atomic zephyr]

what the fuck this axe obliterates crushers

[south spindle]

Oh wait, its T3 Rampage, if you have T4, slap that on over the T3 version

[quasi socket]

i mean the grey items he sells. got a few 370+ with good stat spreads, and so far hadron hasnt bricked my helbore

[grand sable]

ight

[south spindle]

I would replace perks personally

[next spade]

you pick axes (outside of crap tactical axes) for the heavy damage and armor pen

[south spindle]

Maniac/Flak

[atomic zephyr]

yeah i like the way this feels

will do

[next spade]

chainaxe is opposite of chainsword

[south spindle]

If its gonna take two hits on a Crusher even with perk, no sense in doing keeping it

[mint oar]

okay ty

[south spindle]

Check Mauler BP tho

[next spade]

btw the perk which has crit on rev kill also applies on rev

got this on zealot

so you can rev one for kill and the next rev is 100% crit including the attack

[sharp ember]

bloodthirsty

personally dont particularly like it

suggests you use revving in a fight with multiple enemies nearby

or at least 1 trash and 1 elite

[next spade]

gotta try but you can probably one shot a mauler one after another

like these 10 mauler groups

[elder vessel]

you can dodge now bro

[next spade]

my axe isnt optimal but no

[elder vessel]

ez pz

rev everuthing

[next spade]

default heavy 50% of a mauler, with crit 80% of a mauler

[elder vessel]

chaxe lights be viable if you dodge spam

[sharp ember]

shit you right

[elder vessel]

soemthing something iframes

iframes that dont exist

[sharp ember]

might think about it in a setup with crusher crit rev 1 shots

[mint oar]

How do I make volley fire last longer?

[elder vessel]

kill more idiots

[sharp ember]

get this

[elder vessel]

higher difficulties, exes stance can last for several times its cooldown

if you aim good

[next spade]

I think with the right blessings and perks and some buffs from talents like bonus on ability ou could chain one shot a crusher wave

you need like 20% more or something

[mint oar]

how do i speak in game chat

[elder vessel]

uhh

press enter

then type words

[versed merlin]

like type or speak?

[elder vessel]

like we are rn

look at me this is so easy

[hearty frigate]

Spend the whole match in the ability lel

[elder vessel]

im even being grammatically correct isnt that cool

[mint oar]

i should only ever use lasguns right?

[hearty frigate]

Using the boltgun is fun because sometimes if you shoot an enemy in the hip they get split in half and their upper part flies upwards with their hands waving in the air

:>

[quasi socket]

try different weapons as you earn them for end of mission, find things you like. you get gifted 1 weapon per mission completion, and unlock 2 weapons per level up from the store. dont waste the currency, just wait til later to spend it.

also inspect them to learn what the stats actually do for the gun (should be "V" on pc)

[elder vessel]

use every weapon in the game

even the shit ones

because

one day

they get buffed

and become S Tier

[inland orchid]

ya knowing what modifiers n junk do can be a big ol game changer on what to look out for

so i recommend that shit as well

[pastel geode]

Most sane bolter guardsman

[pure chasm]

least bloodthirsty guardsman

[quasi socket]

tried to boltgun once and didnt realize how trash my roll was (think like 30-40% reload) and it felt like it took years to refresh the mag

[quick moth]

I try to collect perfect 80s, but I don't grind all the blessings unless the weapon is decent

[versed merlin]

whats the difference between headhunter and surgical blessings? i saw that vraks can have both

[cerulean void]

surgical gives crit the longer you ADS, headhunter adds crit when you don't crit until you crit

[inland orchid]

^

[versed merlin]

so in theory, headhunter would be better right?

[inland orchid]

depends on the weapon

[cerulean void]

in... theory, yes

[versed merlin]

vraks for this case

[cerulean void]

surgical is more useful, I think

[forest scaffold]

my brain hurts

[plush dragon]

yes if not hellbore

[forest scaffold]

I miss ogryn

[versed merlin]

a okok

ty step vets

[plush dragon]

poast chainsword

pls

[plush dragon]

ty bb

[forest scaffold]

here's the gun

[plush dragon]

the classic okay cool. is the g a new one?

[forest scaffold]

13g is the new one, yes

just spam light attacks

heavies on like

bosses

[pastel geode]

I haven’t had any of the new one drop in my shop yet

[inland orchid]

funny overhead

[pastel geode]

Sadge

[forest scaffold]

brunts

brunts

brunts

brunts

brunts

brunts

[quasi socket]

lol

[pastel geode]

I don’t trust his armory

[forest scaffold]

buy a million gold's worth

upgrade the useable ones at hadron

[versed merlin]

i like to call that xing chainsword

[pastel geode]

He always scams me with low rolls when I try that

[forest scaffold]

thats

why you buy 100 of them at a time

unironically

just spam buy

100 times

[pastel geode]

Pain

[forest scaffold]

you'll get 5-10 useable ones

[pastel geode]

Guess I gotta go grind more coins in auric

[versed merlin]

do i need the rending node for vraks?

[forest scaffold]

you don't need the rending nodes for anything

as just an FYI

[versed merlin]

ah

thats good to know ty

[forest scaffold]

they're just uh

"do I want to kill a crusher in an oh shit moment" kinda thing

[versed merlin]

where should i spent this last 2 points

[forest scaffold]

and just a nice little boost to DPS elsewhere

[forest scaffold]

25% toughness node

middle tree

and uh

[pastel geode]

I’d invest in middle tree

[forest scaffold]

that's it?

[cinder wadi]

is it just me a issue: Sometimes I'll be swinging my shovel and it would jitter like it's laging but my fps is stable

[forest scaffold]

I'd grab the other node for focus fire

marksman focus

whatever the keystone is called

the one on the right

[versed merlin]

oh counter-fire?

idk it feels like a trap

[forest scaffold]

I was thinking the opposite one of this

but its just 2.5% toughness replenishment

and this is rending

just grab 25% toughness and rending strikes

from the middle tree

[hearty frigate]

I love splitting people in half with explosive bullets :3

[versed merlin]

ye

i could absolutely go for a toughness replenishment overkill and get confirmed kill too

and swap for the emperor for born leader

idk if thats even worth

[forest scaffold]

@plush dragon this was my build btw

[forest scaffold]

you should just always have confirmed kill

on literally every single veteran build

[pastel geode]

This is my build: #veteran-class message

[versed merlin]

even if i run exhilirating takedown?

[forest scaffold]

yes

[versed merlin]

a okok

then ill give up the toughness and rending strikes for this

[forest scaffold]

confirmed kill is just stupid good thanks to how many fuckin elites get spammed out at you

[versed merlin]

and get myself born leader for the 15% toughness replenishment for my frens in coeherency

[forest scaffold]

No

unfortunately

it is really bad

[versed merlin]

oh

[forest scaffold]

Yeah its mathed out weird under the hood

[elder vessel]

DONT LISTEN

[versed merlin]

even in the slightest? like for the emepror prob wont do anything at all

[forest scaffold]

so if you regen 5% toughness

[elder vessel]

more toughness = more good

[forest scaffold]

your teammates get like

[versed merlin]

as ill be already one shotting everything that i shoot

[forest scaffold]

1% toughness

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/bcfd-monkey-confused-gif-5786043144724365138

ive been living al ie

[elder vessel]

its more toughness bro

make it make sense

its more toughness

[pastel geode]

It’s regen not raw toughness

[versed merlin]

sorry meant to say for the emperor node

[inland orchid]

HUH

that is nuts

[versed merlin]

the one that gives 10% dmg for 5s

[elder vessel]

toughness regen gives you toughness

its toughness

its toughness

[plush dragon]

yeah veteran is a support class, where you kill specialist

sorry for reply ping

[lofty lintel]

how bricked is this

[forest scaffold]

uh

I'm just gonna pick your brain for a minute

how do you get "Support Class"

out of my last mission's scoreboard

Veteran is DPS

with some support skills

[quasi socket]

you "supported" the team by letting them ride on your back

[forest scaffold]

but he's just DPS

[versed merlin]

pretty much every class has some support skills of their own, but i woudlnt say that vet is a support class

[elder vessel]

hes ranged elite

zealot is melee elite

psyker is disabler

[forest scaffold]

ehhhh

[pastel geode]

Yeah but Tbf it’s kinda a moot node when I can press a button and instantly overheal the team’s toughness

[forest scaffold]

have you SEEN power sword?

[elder vessel]

ogryn is ogryn

[lofty lintel]

veteran is whatever u want veteran to be

[forest scaffold]

or chain axe

[lofty lintel]

lol

[forest scaffold]

or chainsword

[versed merlin]

specially with weapon specs, which is absurdly godly

[forest scaffold]

or combat axes

or devil claws

[lofty lintel]

shovels

[elder vessel]

sometimes thats on cooldown

[forest scaffold]

veteran makes them all do really dumb stuff

No

okay

so the thing about veteran

[elder vessel]

killing dummies is never on cooldown

[forest scaffold]

if you're amazing at the game

he's fucking braindead OP

if you're not

[elder vessel]

its more toughness

[forest scaffold]

he's squishier than a fresh shit

and its extremely painful

and I fucking hate it

I want fatshark to normalize it

Sure, I can faceroll a match to nearly a million damage

and most specialists/elites kills

[pastel geode]

Ironically that’s lore accurate for guardsmen

[forest scaffold]

but the average player gets pancaked by a couple elite machinegunners

cause its really tedious keeping toughness above 75%

and requires pristine threat assessment

[elder vessel]

vet gameplay

pop ability

[forest scaffold]

I just want fatshark to normalize his TDR so it doesn't swingly wildly between "I am literally invulnerable" and "STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME PLEASE"

[elder vessel]

shoot em

repeat

[versed merlin]

time to give this loadout a go

i hated vraks when i tried before, but hopefully, ill manage to get around it

[elder vessel]

what did vraks ever do to you

all it did was get sieged by world eater boys (best legion)

[versed merlin]

not as fast as revolver and shottys

[pastel geode]

I built myself to do one thing

[elder vessel]

YES

And uh

occaisionally tag a gunner

with damage tags

[quasi socket]

actual columnus player

[elder vessel]

cuz then i feel like a leader

[pastel geode]

Yes

[elder vessel]

grauto user

[pastel geode]

I have a 543 column brauto

And I use krak nades for ogryns

[oak canopy]

what are people running on verteran now

[inland orchid]

depends who u ask public

vet's a pretty flexiable operator gun wise

[oak canopy]

mostly use plasma

i was using the focus one before patch

with what melee weapon

i thought the mk 3 was better

ps

i got to try the new axe though i heard its good

kk thx for the info

[topaz pebble]

Mk6 blows mk3 out the water

And that's cause mk6 is broken

[mint oar]

bruh this volley pennance is impossible

[topaz pebble]

Even without brutal momentum it's too good

[frozen meadow]

for power sword is power cycler and rampage better or power cycler and supercharge

[topaz pebble]

Who runs supercharge what

Power cycler brutal momentum

Or power cycler slaughterer

[frozen meadow]

it is all I have available lol

so power cycler and brutal momentum?

[topaz pebble]

Yes

You can 2-3 tap any big in the game

Or 1 tap if you crit

[frozen meadow]

what would be recommended perks?

[topaz pebble]

Maniac, carapace

Why unyielding, that's like reapers and bosses

Why would you need the +10% for flak though, the stab already one shots anything flak

[frozen meadow]

do I always want to use energised attack?

[topaz pebble]

Yes

Unpowered sword is probably the worst weapon in the game

[frozen meadow]

I will do the 10% elite then since I only have one perk avaliable

thank you fatshark for unneeded locks

[topaz pebble]

Player retention or something like that

[limber lance]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1053823148048527440

[mint oar]

are there more then 1 weakspot on enemies?

[topaz pebble]

No

[frozen meadow]

doesn't retain me to grind just makes me sad

[topaz pebble]

Oh yeah beast

[mint oar]

is there an easier way to get the volley fire penance?

[topaz pebble]

Actually worst designed boss

[topaz pebble]

What was that penance again

Still can animation cancel

I love it

I love that new revolver

[mint oar]

4 weakspot hits in a row during volley

[crude ermine]

Thought I got a really good revolv

Except the one stat I needed high as possible was 50

[topaz pebble]

Yeah, find any tough enemy

[crude ermine]

So that went into the dump

[quick moth]

Controversial take from playing other classes: non-PG or revolver veteran is kinda questionably useful

[mint oar]

what's a reaper

[topaz pebble]

Minigun ogryn

[quick moth]

The damage output from vets otherwise is just kinda crap

[topaz pebble]

That's a take alright

[mint oar]

so high difficulty, weak gun?

[crude ermine]

Strong gun but he can be scared by even the slightest tint of damage to cover himself

[versed merlin]

ok after trying it out again, i can say that my problem with vraks was skill issue. also i was just too used to revolver

[crude ermine]

He can be oppressive if not stopped however

[versed merlin]

but i think stealth is better than exec stance for this weapon

[frozen meadow]

and for power sword, what attack patterns should I use and where?

[topaz pebble]

Yeah, got my penance using the good old mg12

[topaz pebble]

Lights for hordes, push attack light for anything you want dead

[mint oar]

yeah

but it needs to be headshots during volley specifically

[mint oar]

without missing

[topaz pebble]

Mg12

[frozen meadow]

cancel push attack?

[limber lance]

anyone esle seen this before?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1183935996836974602/image.png?ex=658a2552&is=6577b052&hm=d8b0183f669976c51d14d08298088e67f5ecc032d15466dd59aba416244a614d&

[frozen meadow]

what is that?

[topaz pebble]

Power up your sword and instantly hold block, then push attack light

They made the power animation like cancelable .8s in

It's really jank

Cause the sword won't even show that its powered up

[scenic bronze]

Getting pushed by a spawning horde into fire is a new one for me

[crude ermine]

Just tell them no, they legally can't do anything now

Ofc that's not gonna stop them

[frozen meadow]

when I do that animation cancel, do I want to do that push attack light combo 3 times, or stab once and then use normal light?

[topaz pebble]

Stab into light

Because the push attack leads straight to light 4

[frozen meadow]

ok ty

damn

that does damage

[tropic moth]

are the new vet shovels better than the old one?

[crude ermine]

Yeah

Least for me

[willow badger]

test

[heavy bridge]

which new shovel is best?

[steep vault]

I fucking bricked it

I had the two blessings ready

[elder vessel]

womp womp

yuou didnt brick it

hadron did

[atomic zephyr]

ouch

[elder vessel]

Tryna get me a Mk6 Knife

Used to have a mk3 knife

But uh

Horde Clear cooler

[serene bough]

i dont like the new knoife

horde clear moveset kind of stinky

[elder vessel]

Light Light Light Light ez pz

Punch Occasionally for Staggys

[sly haven]

what does deathspitter do compared to firing frenzy

like power vs damage

[elder vessel]

Basically the same thing

Just

Take em both

[sly haven]

uh no i need dumdum

but is one stronger than the other

[serene bough]

Don't like

[elder vessel]

Fire Frenzy ig

[steep vault]

I have another weapon to brick

the brunt never lets me down but guess who does let me down

[thorn yoke]

Rannick

[lofty lintel]

is cara on the zarona revolver good

[calm prairie]

what blessings are ideal for catachan mk iv

[steep vault]

Ideally this thing

replace shred with wrath if you want

[south garnet]

Thinkin bout doin auric maelstroms holding in a mean shit tonight to see if I play better under pressure

[steep vault]

savage sweep is good too

[dusk idol]

i think it's already bricked

[steep vault]

shhhhhhh

what if the rest are all ideal

[desert hawk]

Bricked

[steep vault]

then I can replace what's left

[dusk idol]

rng be with you

[calm prairie]

aight thank you

[steep vault]

this is what I got from a damnation drop today

[desert hawk]

guess ill keep chain swording until RNG rolls my way

[steep vault]

you can do it!

[odd pollen]

elf moment

[gray belfry]

few times. reckon itl happen tomorrow when the twins event stops

[steep vault]

not very rock n stone of you

[lethal plover]

Hmm, for Infantry autoguns, what are good blessings to have?

[steep vault]

depends which one we're talking about

[lethal plover]

The uh, green and tan ones.

I suck at names xD

[steep vault]

the two important ones are the columnus V and Agripinaa Mk I

aka space mp5 and space assault rifle

[lethal plover]

Lol okay, lets go with Space assault rifle.

[steep vault]

this is my pick for mp5

[lethal plover]

I'm looking to replace my XII, not finding it as satisfying to use anymore since I came back.

[steep vault]

space assault rifle

[lethal plover]

Ah right, dumdum is something I'm seeing frequently.

[steep vault]

dumdum is like furious from fallout 4

the more times you hit them the more damage you get

[lethal plover]

Right. So is there a reason Graia isn't recommended?

[steep vault]

it's the handling

and the fact that agripinaa has always been an allrounder weapon

and columus just being way too good rn

[lethal plover]

Gotcha. I'll start looking at those two. Thanks!

[steep vault]

I would say graia isn't bad but either columnus needs a nerf or graia needs a buff

[quasi socket]

Columnus mag dump life

Gun go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrt

[south prairie]

Is it just me or columnus sounds like counter strike p90

[void gyro]

just rolled this looking for gloryhunter, swap blaze away for gets hot! and reload for unarmored or unyielding?

[sly haven]

what is power vs close damage on iag?

[versed merlin]

i think power affects all offensive aspects of a weapon, such as damage, stopping power

could be wrong tho, i wouldnt trust myself

[lofty lintel]

thats correct

[versed merlin]

so i was wrong at betting that my answer was wrong

[lofty lintel]

LOL

yeah

[jovial nexus]

Which helbore lasgun is good?

[dusk idol]

depends what you want

[quasi socket]

Mk1 is in middle for speed/damage, mk 3 is slow but hits hard, mk 2 is fast and light hits

From my limited time with them

[dusk idol]

if the bayonet is a factor to you, 1 and 2 have good stab attacks where as 3 has an awkward strikedown-esque attack

[quasi socket]

Yeah, mk1 is where its at for bayonet

Stabby boy go fast

[gray belfry]

melks got this, worth getting and throwing flak/maniac onto?

[obtuse raft]

Speaking of plasma, what perks are you supposed to run on it for breakpoints anyway?

[steep vault]

I is good for DPS

II is charge time

III is maximum damage per shot

[gritty dock]

It's a bad saw, you can build a better one yourself.

[gray belfry]

fair nuff

[gritty dock]

There are no good Perks or Blessing here, and its parameters are average.

[gray belfry]

hadron please dont

[versed merlin]

50% stopping power?

[gray belfry]

need to get some t4 blessings

so just hoping for the best there lmao

[iron marten]

Think it’s already bricked with that stopping power, mate!

[gray belfry]

watch me get t4 ghost

'oh im not gonna use it, its more blessings gathering

[still leaf]

how do you guys do build shares for review? just the gameslantern, or is there a more conveniently shareable one?

[gray belfry]

ive found the most luck with 360s over 370s and 380

[lofty lintel]

yeah thats higher chance of t4

360 and beyond

[gritty dock]

Stopping Power is more important than Damage in some weapons.

[gray belfry]

big oof

[versed merlin]

can just take a screenshot of the tree below ability taken and share it here if you want

[lofty lintel]

hows this loadout for auric damn?

[versed merlin]

based

[lofty lintel]

i think it covers everything ima have to go in and try though

is the mk3 shovel good at clearing?

[versed merlin]

not the best from what i heard

[gray belfry]

ad clear its like heavy/light i thinks teh combo

[still leaf]

eh, am still 25, but wanted feedback on what I'm looking at / the thought process

[crude ermine]

Should I put thrust on the mk III shovel or something else

[gray belfry]

first heavys a swing, second is a strikedown

[lofty lintel]

ur right

thanks

[gray belfry]

idk man i use the mk 7. better ad clear, but the pickaxe has a longer recovery, which is slowly starting to get me in bad situations more and more

[lofty lintel]

yeah the pickaxe is AMAZING

[gray belfry]

go in to hit a mauler, still pulling it out when the second and 3rd rock up to say hi

[versed merlin]

i love the mk7 and dont really have much trouble with it, mainly because i use it on weap spec loadout so has lots of crits and can pretty much one shot anything but mauler and crusher

[lofty lintel]

for a wep spec build i use mk6 power sword

[gray belfry]

it still does the trick well enough

[versed merlin]

well, yeah....

[gray belfry]

can meme on charging mutants

[versed merlin]

i just umm dont have enough lifetime for a pc blessing

[still leaf]

'cause like that, with the intention to run XIIIg chainsword 'n the XIV revolver

[keen elk]

This worth trying to make better?

[versed merlin]

which revolver is that? zarona?

you dont need marksman for any revolver actually

[still leaf]

the new one, the agripa cowboy

[versed merlin]

oh k. yeah idk how people build that one, but i think its mostly used to melt bosses and crushers

[still leaf]

I like the gameplay of giving wallhacks + shooting via wallhacks, and being able to full unload with deadshot seems.. super effective, if not super easy to aim at not-point-blank

[gray belfry]

i got crucian/handcannon t3 with flak maniac and it does the trick

[still leaf]

so you're thinking just no keystone, or pushing over to try and get tags?

[versed merlin]

im not sure, cant really help you with that one as i never touched the new revolver

but i dont think you'll benefit from marksman for anything at all

[still leaf]

fair, it does feel.. clunky, to try and stand still to build it, or only move after headshots

[versed merlin]

yeah that doesnt seem all to bad for a more all around loadout. just make sure you grab iron will tho, its one of the left nodes at the middle branch

[still leaf]

oh, to soak the first hit? mmkay.

[versed merlin]

not just the first, so long as you're building up toughness by actively killing specials and elites, which will be very common in higher difficulties, you'll have that thing up for a very long time

[calm prairie]

if you still want to use an infantry lasgun you could go down to MG 1a

[versed merlin]

its prob one of the best nodes in vet tree

[lethal plover]

What's appealing about it now?

[calm prairie]

faster fire rate with only a little less damage

[crude ermine]

What are some nice blessings to go for on the new mk III shovel

[calm prairie]

the difference is negligible because anything you two shot with 1a is a two shot on the 12, but you can 1 shot with a crit on either one

gunners for example

[dim niche]

what is the best personality for the veteran male?

[crude ermine]

Depends on how loud you want them to be

[dim niche]

hm

i want an old gruff dude

[crude ermine]

Loose cannon i think fits it

Cadian is just loud and angry all the time

Don't know anything about the 3rd one

[atomic zephyr]

ykw? what do you guys think about a stealth build using a chainaxe

WAIT I JUST GOT A SHOTGUN WITH MANSTOPPER

dont even care about the perks

[patent valley]

thoughts of being able to stack special ammo?

[terse idol]

Mk3 is however cluunky

[frozen meadow]

I want fletchette so bad

[patent valley]

like now u constantly load it one by one, and can only load it once each shot, but what if u can load more than one while u have empty space in the chamber?

wouldnt that make shotguns more fun/viable?

[frozen meadow]

I would be op as hell if I could stack special ammo

[patent valley]

not that its not viable now, but its abit slow

[south garnet]

hm

could be usable

[coarse tide]

It'd be so good if it didn't fucking ignored 40% of your clicks

[terse idol]

well yeah

That's because of the weird charge

[quasi socket]

@south garnet you shoulda seen the one i have that hopefully doesnt get bricked by hadron. Bought it as a grey 376 or 378 at brunt today

[terse idol]

If youuuuu

Charge too soon

It'll cause it not to fire

[south garnet]

The one I posted is at melk's, waffling on whether or not to grap it, swap no respite to onslaught and specialist to flak and call it a day

I don't currently have a mk 1

[steep vault]

if they'd buff the special bayonet on III I'd like it a bit more

[atomic zephyr]

ok so i want to stack as much crit as i can for a manstoppper flechette lawbringer shotgun
what are the best talents to do wthat with

[steep vault]

the sweep feels like crowd control

but it doesn't actually do the proper amount of damage crowd control would need to feel meaningful

[south garnet]

I think I'll probably pass on it though, low ammo isn't generally an issue with helbores but I do have a bone to pick with mag size being small enough to potentially cause hiccups

[quasi socket]

@south garnet gonna grab a screen shot of mine real quick for ya, lemme fire up the oc...

[lethal plover]

Ahhh... so the XII was nerfed huh?

Explains why it feels less fun to use.

[quasi socket]

@south garnet

i just need to get a shovel now

[steep vault]

what the fuck

jesus fucking christ

[quasi socket]

brunt had it as a grey

[steep vault]

😭

[quasi socket]

im praying hadron doesnt screw me

[frozen meadow]

Mommy hadron

[steep vault]

I get lucky with brunt a lot but you're pushing that luck way too far

how did that even generate

[quasi socket]

this is why i meticulously check his inventory every few missions

[frozen meadow]

Well you have surgical which is the most important one

[quasi socket]

praying to rnjesus for decent starts at him so i dont burn myself spending millions for 1 weapon to be bricked at hadron

i know its gonna happen, but im trying to retain my sanity for as long as possible, ive played too many mmo's that made me give up lol

(wotlk classic still wont give me my last ret paladin trinket, its been 10 weeks)

[calm prairie]

not necessarily nerfed but the 1A and the other one were buffed

so it kind of falls behind

[astral blade]

keystones for vet feel weak

[finite imp]

jinxed

[quasi socket]

Weapon specialiat super comfy tho

[finite imp]

Weapon specialist is good

of 3 considerably weaker keystones its deff my pick

Fatshark has this issue where they make buffs that don't matter

[astral blade]

eh constantly swaping weapons ain't my cup of tea

[finite imp]

like i really don't care that I have .0000000004% chance to crit

[finite imp]

it does take getting used to

i dont think it's meant to be min maxed tho, more just to compliment regular play

that being said

[quasi socket]

Doesnt need tp be constant, but getting that attack speed with hordes or damage into the fresh boss spawn is nice. But im not running damnation yet, nerves of quadruple ply tp and reaction speed of snail

[finite imp]

it IS a keystone

[finite imp]

best way to learn damnation is to just play it

it's a different experience for suire

but the players in damnation are a different breed

you run into some top dudes out there

[astral blade]

eh guess i'm not the only one who just using the vet passives no keystones?

[quasi socket]

Yeah, im just getting settled into heresy and wanna spend some time adjusting to mods there before going "all in" and be the lead anchor of the team dragging us into the depths of the abyss

[finite imp]

a completely viable build

in fact it was viable even during the last 2 patches

[atomic zephyr]

heresy is the classic noob trap
i found jumping straight from malice to damnation easier than going to heresy

[quasi socket]

Have been watching i think its choco b? Just to get an idea for how to react to scenarious going downside up

[atomic zephyr]

because at least the damnation players will bother picking you up

[finite imp]

this

[quasi socket]

Heresy is feeling more like people trying to speed through on cocaine for sure

[finite imp]

i literally find damnation EASIER than heresy

[atomic zephyr]

yeah all the smoothbrains who couldnt crack damnation go to heresy

as a result, no one there is actually good at the game

[finite imp]

heresy is heresy

[atomic zephyr]

you'll learn better from players who know what theyre actually doing

[finite imp]

^^^

they're why i am as good as I am now

[atomic zephyr]

same

also damn, actually doing research on the game?

[keen wharf]

im having a rather hard time deciding which is better.

[atomic zephyr]

i just went all in when malice got too easy

[lofty lintel]

is trickshooter good on the old revolver?

[atomic zephyr]

how much damage are you realistically doing to carapace with a devils claw

[finite imp]

meh

handcannon and crussian is what i get

[lofty lintel]

hand cannon surgical still the way?

ah

crucian

yeah fair enough

[keen wharf]

it was either that or keep the Stamina perk which i wouldnt.

[finite imp]

surgical is good too

[lofty lintel]

alr

[atomic zephyr]

pick the left one

wait

oh shit yeah

definitely left

the cleave on the right one is gonna fuck you up

plus, savage sweep is better imo

[finite imp]

bros knife gonna feel dull

[keen wharf]

Wrath isnt too bad though, ive actually managed to solo multiple hordes in a really shitty spot to the point my hand started to hurt.

[atomic zephyr]

both are really good

tbh its preference for the blessings

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-solid-gif-24704841

[atomic zephyr]

but i'd def use left for the perks

devils claw doesnt do much to carapace in the first place

[keen wharf]

Wrath is more consistent in hordes i feel, savage sweep is a little hit or miss if the horde starts to try and disperse and get behind you which is annoying since i dont really like to do heavy swings, i get hit way too much with that.

[dusk idol]

hey boys, i made a video

check it out with love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiH0n1aLi4Q

[quasi socket]

Ive been improving a bit, trying to use bursters as a free grenade, using barrels etc to rip through hordes, and trying to stick with the team while finding good spots to pick off the ranged harassment. Idk how columnus performs in damnation, and deff need to improve my solo horde management, not sure my chainsword gonnna be killing maulers/ragers like it can now and no real way to deal with crushers outside team/respeccing for grenade

[night girder]

Do you guys know if the Be Methodical Penance can still be achieved with the new skills/blitzes?

[versed merlin]

awesome gameplay, loved it

[mystic nimbus]

what do you think guys?

[celest vine]

I got this shovel from melk

Pretty good id say

[tiny summit]

Haven't used MK2 is a while. How significant is onslaught on its charge?

[celest vine]

Faster than MG12

[mystic nimbus]

helps a lot

[celest vine]

To be fair

Its really annoying and tedious to keep it faster than the MG12

[tiny summit]

Poor MG12

[crimson bloom]

DAmnit give me a MG34 and a fire team of Kriegsman

[mystic nimbus]

what do you use?

[tiny summit]

MK1

[dusk idol]

tybb

[mystic nimbus]

sounds good

i dont even have a chance to try it

ddnt drop a good one

[crimson bloom]

I just got a 380 X H Laspitol

That mf llike a pocket XII

[crude ermine]

Marksmans focus feels funny, gotta break the muscle habit of moving to aim till I land ee headshot

[crimson bloom]

It's not like crazy important to keep the stacks

The rend is nice

But if you go down infratrate

[celest vine]

Its easiest to keep your stacks on recon lasguns

[crimson bloom]

You can get rend from from other shii too

[mystic nimbus]

what build is in meta for veteran class?

[crude ermine]

No clue, I just use what I like

[crimson bloom]

I'd say Crit Stealth

Stub Handcannon

[mystic nimbus]

had a hope that you'd say that beeing sniper one shot bang bang

[crimson bloom]

One shots like every elite on Dam

[celest vine]

Gun guardsmen is very very common

[mystic nimbus]

looks good

wich weapon?

[crimson bloom]

Stub

[tiny summit]

I just use camouflage with the marksman focus since it's free stacks whenever

[celest vine]

To be honest you can get that to with an MG12

[mystic nimbus]

i dnt know that, i think (new in game)

[celest vine]

MG1A if you’re accurate enough

[mystic nimbus]

just dont remember

i think

[crimson bloom]

I use the -90 threat and 2 uses of infaltrate

[celest vine]

You good at clicking on heads?

[mystic nimbus]

yah

[crimson bloom]

It's like the Handgun

Revolver

Stub

[mystic nimbus]

ooh i see

[celest vine]

Infantry lasgun build for you

[mystic nimbus]

u are a friend friend

[celest vine]

Depending if you want krak for crushers

Or frag for hordes

Works best with a good MG1A

MG12 is a good substitute

[mystic nimbus]

i see, i only have a good MK2 today

but ill see if i can find another one

[celest vine]

It can work good with the Lucius

Youll want to do more melee with the lucius tho

Or just remove supression immunity

[mystic nimbus]

melee with the bayonet atack?

[crimson bloom]

why use supression imunnity

Waste

U can just get a mod

[celest vine]

Infantry lasguns require jt

[crimson bloom]

Mod = Disable Screen Effects

Remove High and Low Supression

[mystic nimbus]

dont get it

[celest vine]

Not everyone can mod

[crimson bloom]

Lol

What?

It's so easy

NExus

[celest vine]

On console?

[crimson bloom]

Well then ur just fucked bucko

LMfao

[mystic nimbus]

what is supression?

[celest vine]

Accuracy penalty for getting shot at

[mystic nimbus]

get it

[celest vine]

It can force hostiles into cover as a veteran

generally tho its not useful as a vet

[crimson bloom]

Stagger>Supression for enemeys

[celest vine]

Id rather them not go into cover and stand for me to headshot them

💀

[crimson bloom]

I've been trying to use cover more but ultimatly I just run around like an idiot

[celest vine]

On paper supression sounds good in practice it pads out gunfights with the 25 scab shooters the game just spawned

Veteran exists to be good at shooting guns

[crimson bloom]

Nah dude its the damn gunners

[celest vine]

He has good melee perks, but the class has unique gun perks no other class has

[crimson bloom]

God damn 5 gunners

Try reving a teammate

= oof

[celest vine]

Shoot them

-joe

[flint garden]

5 gunner + 5 revolver bullet = 0

[crude ermine]

Gunners are my 13th reason sometimes

[crimson bloom]

Don't really need melee talents if you use power weapons

[celest vine]

It was a gag when vets wrre malding about the patch 14 keystone fuck up to just shoot them

[crude ermine]

Nuh uh

[celest vine]

Tf u mean nuh uh

[lofty lintel]

is this bricked yet

[crude ermine]

Nuh uh

Don't wanna

[lofty lintel]

i have t4 hand cannon in my blessing inventory

[crude ermine]

It can be salvaged

[lofty lintel]

i feel like cara dmg is good

[crude ermine]

Just gotta see what that final blessing is

[lofty lintel]

yeah

hopefully crucian or surgical

[celest vine]

I had one where i thought it was bricked for awhile

Then they nerfed rager health

Then it unbricked itself

[lofty lintel]

LOL

the machine spirit is real

[celest vine]

Unbricked cause now it can one hit crit ragers

Couldnt do that before

Thanks fatshark

Very cool

[mint oar]

Best loadout, go

[winged ginkgo]

Are either of these worth grabbing? Not sure what i should be aiming for blessing wise

[quasi socket]

scuffed run, had to kill 2nd dh, maybe im ready for damnation

[lofty lintel]

you never know until you play

[dusk idol]

grab lasgun, replace crit damage with flak or maniac and infernus with headhunter

revolver is bricked and not saveable

[dusk idol]

i mean this one

replied to the wrong message lmao

[zealous ermine]

Did a heresy run, 4 players in a party I’m keeping my distance popping elites/specialists kid says to me essentially “Who’s keeping their distance Vet is a melee class you should be on the front line” same kid also needed rescued about 4 times

[dusk idol]

[lofty lintel]

heresy moment

[quasi socket]

yeah the other vet needed a few saves, we all got in some sketchy spots at one point or another, one zealot was going for 40 kills in 1 stun nade, we made it tho

[dusk idol]

everyone should be weaving in and out of melee and ranged as needed, there's seldom thing such as front line and backline unless you're playing a specialised build

[lofty lintel]

yup

even with my helbore build i find myself using melee a LOT

[quasi socket]

i had to take part of a horde when it was me and one zealot left, cleared them, swapped back to gunners camping rescuees, my awareness is getting better, but heart still races a bit in tight moments

[lofty lintel]

if your heart is racing then voice of command

👍

[winged ginkgo]

Thank you!

[quasi socket]

is mk3 ps worth using for a melee? or is the mk6 better?

[lofty lintel]

mk6 is better

but mk3 is fine

[zealous ermine]

Don’t get me wrong I got stuck in with melee but when I’m rocking infantry rifle with height advantage keeping the gunners off them

[quasi socket]

oh it was damn near staying on CD during the run, got quite a few uses out of it

[lofty lintel]

voice of command?

[quasi socket]

yeah

[robust mesa]

does the braced graia get dumdum

[lofty lintel]

yes

[robust mesa]

I can't seem to roll it

[quasi socket]

like i said, sketchy/scuffed run

[robust mesa]

wasted like 50k plasteel

[lofty lintel]

also thats weird i find myself having voice of command off cooldown a lot of the time

[thick rose]

whats the 'power' ranking on all those close dmg buff blessings for the autos?

[lofty lintel]

do u have any cdr talents on your build?

[thick rose]

like... fire frenzy, deathspitter, dumdum are thee any more?

[lofty lintel]

all offensive aspects of the weapon

[quasi socket]

ps, worth snagging from brunt?

[lofty lintel]

such as dmg and stopping power

[lofty lintel]

yes

[quasi socket]

@lofty lintel yeah, lower cdr on special kill

[lofty lintel]

damn you mightve just gotten unlucky then

[quasi socket]

his current ps offering, might snag to play with it

[lofty lintel]

go ahead

thats a pretty good roll

stat wise

[quasi socket]

im running a columnus and it feels meh on some specials, think my aim/engagement distance might be part of it

[lofty lintel]

most definitely, columnus is extremely strong rn

[quasi socket]

but mag dumping a mutant from 30 yds out feels good

[south garnet]

um sorry but this is incredibly inappropriate, shouldn't CMs be playing darktide exclusively at all times?

chained to their desks and/or radiators? I assume they have open radiators in the dungeon they're kept in

[quasi socket]

how dare people find entertainment outside of the game they're hired to work for

[versed merlin]

thats it im suing the moderators rn

[south garnet]

Agreed, their families already get a stipend, this is unacceptable behavior

[atomic zephyr]

is this any good? i made a manstopper-flechette lawbringer but idk if it was doing enough, so i rolled this

the other shotgun

[cinder wadi]

Is collateral important on the boltgun?

[dusk idol]

affects suppression and stagger, good for pinning fire

[dusk idol]

where's your full bore no respite shotgun

[cinder wadi]

is this too low for me to use it with pinning fire?

[atomic zephyr]

the agrippina

[dusk idol]

should still be usable

[atomic zephyr]

i wanted this lawbringer to cut through hordes

[crisp bronze]

I think the new Revolver just "clicked" for me. Somewhere in the last few missions I just sort of "got it" and now I might actually enjoy it more than the original. It's addicting.

[dusk idol]

it's thumbing the hammer back for me

that little detail makes me just never wanna put the revolver down

[spare mountain]

the "fuck I wish this was a mk IV" energy is strong

[trail knot]

first time I've run into a guy who bound his target to lmb

[dusk idol]

if they sped up the initial heavy

i'd probably pick 7 over 4

[quasi socket]

wtf....plz no

[placid portal]

God help us same here too xppp

[sly haven]

is deathsplitter 4 any good compared to firing frenzy?

[strange crow]

Depends on the author, Krieg culture has contradicting info on it, sometimes in the same publication

[dusk idol]

he's just making sure everyone knows there's the target

[sly haven]

for iag?

[placid portal]

Wait IAGs have fire frenzy?