veteran-class

[quaint valve]

I wish i could get this tac axe to work. Max roll but still feels bad. Its combos are all over

[robust basin]

I used to love MK4 Taxe until i understood how cleave works 😞

[robust basin]

66% finesse??? Its bricked my dude. Just pass it here ill throw it away for ya

[quaint valve]

I see 550 potential and im going to do it anyway 🙂

[robust basin]

I wish there was an option to transfer all stats from one weapon pattern to another. Even if had a redonk plasteel price like 2500, it'd be amazing.

[quaint valve]

Yeah thats never happening

[robust basin]

4000 plasteel

5000 thats my final offer

How's the new revolver been? Haven't rolled a good grey to use it yet.

[copper pine]

It's whelming.

[quaint valve]

Situational? Good up close for some burst?

hope they add some pen to it

[copper pine]

The cleave is beans and not not being accurate on the first shot keeps me from liking it

[robust basin]

I can't stand the OG revolver despite how amazing it is. It's a personal thing, i HATE using weapons with long reload times.

[dusk idol]

its primary roll is burst and is mostly accurate on first shot

role

that’s about what it has going for it outside of style points

[robust basin]

Ah see i only have it on my zel currently. Don't have one on my vet yet.

[dusk idol]

that being said I’ve been using it almost exclusively

[robust basin]

Nothing but respect, im legit garbage at aiming too.

[dusk idol]

it’s on the power level of being usable and with its own limitations, I like weapons like that

I’ve been using the new knife too, it’s not terrible

[tall torrent]

It’s basically a quickscope sniper

[robust basin]

Never have to worry about snipers when you got a good revolver on your team

[dusk idol]

feels like a learning curve to squeezing the most out of it

[robust basin]

I can def see what you're talking about, i just don't have the patience lolll

[rancid tinsel]

It’s great with infil vet and weapon specialist

[dusk idol]

I’ve been using it to supplement the new revolver, haven’t taken any melee talents for it and it’s holding up pretty well

[robust basin]

Just delete any speck in the distance? Revolver.

Punch through a line of spec/elites? Revolver

[dusk idol]

it feels better than chainaxe to use at least, even after the buffs

[robust basin]

Deleting an entire trash mob in one shot? Kickback 😎

Delete everything? Ogryn nuke

[teal abyss]

I just can’t see how the revolver is that much better than the Helbore lol maybe I’m just Hel obsessed, having to charge up your shot for like half a second and the swap time are the only weaknesses and then you get an actual fast reload, pretty much infinite ammo, plus a bayonet with almost no hit to ranged performance

Compared to revolver

[tall torrent]

Revolver punches through more targets and tend to net better 1-shot kills

[thorny blade]

And doesn't take a year to pull out and shoot

[tall torrent]

Both are pretty headshot dependent but you’re going with crit builds 90% the time so the dmg per shot is way higher to get 1 shot kills

[teal abyss]

Pen is a fair point but a charged Helbore shot still penetrates one target and other than shooting into hordes (which you’re not really doing with a revolver anyway) further than that seems redundant

[tall torrent]

Compared to mk2 and mk1 helbores, not really a fair comparison because you just run bayonet for 70% of your melee fights

[hearty frigate]

Remember kids

When in doubt, boltgun out

[tall torrent]

Very often there’re more than 1 enemy lined up to cover the special behind them

[hearty frigate]

And the insides of your enemies go plop

[tall torrent]

You’ll often see revolver lining up multi shotgunner kill feeds in one shot

But that happens very rarely for helbore

[wanton dawn]

mk1 and mk2 are arguably melee before being ranged

[teal abyss]

I very often get special collaterals, just not whole feeds because it only penetrates one. I just think the weaknesses of the revolver are a lot harder than the Helbore, if you can get used to pulling out the Helbore early to account for swap speed it feels amazing

Like a revolver is meticulously reloading 10 shots by the time I empty a Helbore mag lol

[tall torrent]

I use both and while they have similar functions I think the purpose they’re made for are still very drastically different

[wanton dawn]

hb and revolver are not played the same at all

Revolver is one of the most agile weapon available to vet

(bare the reload speed ofc)

[teal abyss]

They have very similar damage archetypes and are usually both used to pick off back line enemies, the variant revolver isn’t played the same but the basics seem similar to me

[tall torrent]

Helbore in my experience is a lot more backline shooter/rear guard

Revolver doesn’t play into that nearly as good due to low firing uptime

[inland orchid]

Quickswapable revolver vs 1 second windup bolter

Both are good

[tall torrent]

But revolver with weapon specialist is extremely strong

The meme crusher one tap build for revolver is cool and all but weapon specialist is the way to go

[wanton dawn]

Haven't play weapon specialist in a while. I don't enjoy the gimmick, feel too much feast or famine for me

[patent orchid]

is dis good

[tall torrent]

You’re under lv30 so just use whatever u can find that u like

[pearl sapphire]

It really depends which variant of the hellbore you use, the Mk3? Sure. The MKII, can really do everything, only weapon I use is the MK3 and Mk2

[tall torrent]

Mk2 I still find myself on the backline/rear guard way more than if I was using smth like a revolver

Just naturally putting down shots down range holds you from being at the very front

[dusk idol]

simply, it operates on the same level and niche as plasma - high pen, high damage, supplies instant ready time which rewards reactive snap shooting in tense situations

[tall torrent]

Bayonet is good yes but most cases you’re not bayonet charging to fight every melee enemy in the front

[dusk idol]

it has small drawbacks too but honestly they’re fairly minor

I don’t run reload speed on old revolver because it’s not needed, no weapon spec either

[pearl sapphire]

That’s a fair point, I just find myself having to lead because with randoms, at least the ones I get, are the definition of extremely slow playing, even after looting all the pastel and shit

[tiny summit]

Revolver is nice because you can be meleeing a horde, see a bomber, pop them and then back to melee. You ain't swapping to helbore smoothly to take out 1 enemy but helbore does have the reliable bayonet where I'm barely swapping it anyways

But revolver is just instant tap

[hollow ibex]

I play a lot of melee vet, but for whatever reason I do really poorly with zealot

I guess I’m leaning too hard onto that voice of command crutch

[tall torrent]

Melee vet is essentially gun zealot

[dusk idol]

you’re probably lacking in toughness management on zealot

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I like it

[near wyvern]

I too am allergic to bible study time

[hollow ibex]

Prob, not having an instant toughness restore button

[dusk idol]

it’s pretty easy to get chunked in melee too if you’re not paying attention for a split second

[atomic zephyr]

damn sneaky bruisers.

[dusk idol]

you’re just incentivised to be in melee more often as a zealot, could be that too

[timber raven]

yo does sunder on the power sword work well against carapace?

[wanton dawn]

It does not increase carapace damage, but it allows it to cleave through it

[timber raven]

hmmm ok

torn between brutal momentum and sunder

[dusk idol]

brutal momentum

[delicate kindle]

Brutal momentum for power sword is king imo

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that too. I think I’ll stick with melee vet. Just feels better

[wanton dawn]

Sunder allows you to do things such as staggering a mauler through several bulwark

Or stagger 5 to 6 ragers in one swing

[south spindle]

Ye, i would rate Sunder over BM

[tiny summit]

I play horribly as zealot. My brain turns off on mitigating dmg

[wanton dawn]

I think it comes down to personal preference. IMO sunder is the safer option

[south spindle]

BM is good, but not so good when you're not fighting trash

No one shot = no cleave extension

[timber raven]

I figured BM was better against trash mobs

[wanton dawn]

#veteran-class message for silly sunder

[south spindle]

Yeah, but trash mobs aint what you gotta worry about, its the things in amongst the trash

PSword shits on poxwalkers an bruisers with no blessings at all

[dusk idol]

pretty sure powersword struggles in any horde situation without blessings

[wanton dawn]

I also have this from previous patch. Same concept really. #veteran-class message

[teal abyss]

Slaughterer or Headtaker? Was thinking Thrust and one of them for my chainaxe but don’t know which is better

[hollow ibex]

Same I just don’t notice. Odd because I play melee vet much more carefully.

[dusk idol]

headtaker is up more consistently

you get higher peaks with slaughterer but less often

[teal abyss]

Gotcha thank you

[tall torrent]

Is that with sunder

[wanton dawn]

yes

I think someone mentionned that sunder had a 3 target minimum treshold

[south spindle]

It used to, but now you can block immediately after powering it up, not so much

They removed the no-block window fcukin ages ago now

[wraith pivot]

bolter vets are legit wastes of a team slot

[teal abyss]

I’d still take them any day over a Flamethrower zealot but yeah it’s nice not hearing “I NEED AMMO” every 30 seconds lmao

[sharp epoch]

In auric, the worst teammates are shield only ogryns, lightning psykers, stealth zealots, and shovel veterans

[wraith pivot]

imagine a better teammate than a kickback ogryn that just sits behind you and spam kills trash mobs

[sharp epoch]

kickback gets results though the others are either neutral or negatively impact the team

[devout atlas]

whats the plasma boss killing build since i've seen ppl reference it but never seen it

[sharp epoch]

uhhh i dont think plasma is a bosskiller

[wraith pivot]

it gets results but ogryns are better used as horde clear and stagger, i cant do anything while hes camping behind my ass shooting one enemy every 5 minutes

and then hearing OI RUNTS! FIND ME AMMO

[sharp epoch]

Isn't spam killing trash mobs horde clear?

[wraith pivot]

horde clear for about 30 seconds then hes out of ammo and does nothing

[sharp epoch]

It's a pretty ammo efficient gun tbh paired with vet aura they don't run out

[wraith pivot]

ammo efficient if you know how to work with your ammo 9/10 kickback ogryns also run shield and are completely braindead

[sharp epoch]

Kickbacks just overused, it's easy to use and very strong so players of all levels use it

and there's a lot more bad players than good

[wraith pivot]

yeah thats the problem, i wouldnt mind it if they made it work, but they just run out of ammo and never engage in melee.. i cant shoot anything if I'm stuck being the only melee unit as a veteran

[tiny summit]

I do love 2 tapping a sniper with kickback across the map

[sharp epoch]

I mean that's just the reality now, ogryn is bettwr at ranged dps than veteran this patch

they could argue veteran should be up fromt as theyre doing the damage

[wraith pivot]

thats where i call them mean words and petittion a kick

[sharp epoch]

ogryns are beloved by all and you will be kicked instead

[wraith pivot]

better than having to play with them

[fathom grail]

Ogryn supremacy

[wanton dawn]

it is the 3rd time in a row where i go into nurlge monstro and ppl bring absolutely no damage

[shrewd lagoon]

that is a post for the priest channel

i guess not for the beast specifically

[novel stone]

Is there a good specific build for plasma gun dps?

[hollow ibex]

Anything, it’s a plasma gun

[quasi socket]

thanks brunt

[teal abyss]

I usually see people using Blaze Away and Gets Hot

[novel stone]

Yeah that's the roll I have but I'm wondering if I should use a specific tree

[novel stone]

I think I should be fine if this is the case though

[novel stone]

Still can't believe I by chance just HAD the god roll

[flint garden]

why are bots allowed to wake up dhs

[scenic bronze]

Now hadron it

[quasi socket]

oh its gonna brick fast af, but imma play with it a little til then, see if i like it

[robust basin]

is tuff regen viable for vet curios? or should I stick with increase tuff/health?

[knotty kayak]

is this good for a generic melee vet build

[novel stone]

Holy shit

[novel stone]

I would go down the right tree and get the specialist stuff

And grab the first red perk there ar the top of right tree , other then that yeah that's solid

[finite imp]

no

you forgot to take shout

[flint garden]

where nade regen

[novel stone]

Also for stealth, you don't need 2 charges or the 90% boost, just the more damage and the one you don't have

[flint garden]

also are you doing funny mercy killer knife stuff otherwise agile engagement is better

[knotty kayak]

ok, i was trying to try to get people revived better

[knotty kayak]

chainsword

[novel stone]

Good thinking but 1 charge is still better considering how often you'd be using it typically

And get some curios with special ability charge rate

[novel stone]

Make sure your using the normal one not the new one, if you wanna stick with chainsword

[atomic zephyr]

hey new one is good too :(

[novel stone]

Yeah I like it, just does less dmg

[atomic zephyr]

really?

[novel stone]

I like the follow up better tho

[knotty kayak]

i'm using this

[novel stone]

Yeah its lame

[atomic zephyr]

eh whatever lol

[novel stone]

Pretty decent

[knotty kayak]

i haven't played in a while

[atomic zephyr]

that’s a solid chainsword

[novel stone]

Yeah if you like it use it for sure

[atomic zephyr]

strikedown heavies <3

[south spindle]

Well built and played Boltgun build shreds

[gaunt hinge]

I think the new chain sword sucks, it basically has nothing but strikedowns

[south spindle]

Special + Elite be-souped gun

[atomic zephyr]

huh?

half the light moveset is diagonal slashes

[forest blaze]

Boltgun melts crushers and monstros

[south spindle]

It melts everything tbh

[forest blaze]

yah

it's kinda bananas

[hearty frigate]

Boltgun is Best

[south spindle]

Also, huge dopamine hit when you turn some guy into chunks

[forest blaze]

I'm not a fan of boltgun but I appreciate a good build

[hearty frigate]

Boltgun is best

Bolter go brrr

[austere blade]

Had the most balanced team ever. Also I'm trying a new build here

[novel stone]

Makes it less than ideal for ad clear, pretty solid for dps though

[forest blaze]

I really like the new chainaxe for this.

[novel stone]

Same I think its the best thing about it

[atomic zephyr]

fair, though I just run rampage savage sweep and delete hordes anyway

[south spindle]

I been using it on my melee setup... Shred/Deva makes it into a proper good horde clearer. Its one of the few things i can say is worth having a cleave blessin on

Also.. Did Agri' HH get stealth buffed or summat? Thing feels dope now

[novel stone]

Fair enough dawg

[atomic zephyr]

a slightly worse chainsword is still a chainsword

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[atomic zephyr]

headhunter autos got a rework

[south spindle]

I would say its better than old one in all honesty, damage is better for sure

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/revolver-ocelot-gaming-mgs-guns-gif-17353618

[south spindle]

That was ages ago tho

[forest blaze]

new chaxe got that stagger that just yeets dudes all over the place. it's kinda silly

[south spindle]

Im talking recent buff, but yeah, its like an AN-94 now kek

[atomic zephyr]

yeha idk beyond that

[knotty kayak]

alright changed based off of feedback to this

[atomic zephyr]

you’re using chainsword right!

?

[knotty kayak]

yes

[austere blade]

No-one dared to ask his business, no-one dared to make a slip

[atomic zephyr]

read somewhere that the special attacks stack onslaught for every tick

[knotty kayak]

[south spindle]

I would personally ditch tinkerer an noone left behind for grenade regen 🙂

[atomic zephyr]

give it a shot and test in psykanium

[novel stone]

Buy some of the right combat specialist perks, and melee bleed stuff;

Also like they said PLEASE get nade regen it's vets best perk

[knotty kayak]

i will do so right now

[novel stone]

Leaving nades for your team cause you can regen is amazing

Sacrifice a couple middle tree perks

[south spindle]

Well... Agri HH might just be one of the more slept on guns

[novel stone]

Absolutely

[shrewd lagoon]

most players dont pass the filter and seethe

[novel stone]

I'm a huge sucker for the vrax m3 burst

[knotty kayak]

doesn't seem to do more damage to the crusher with the special

[atomic zephyr]

sad, guess I’m mistaken

[novel stone]

I would say I'm a huge sl * t for it but Apperently that's too naughty

If that's a bypass idc sue me

[atomic zephyr]

i don’t use vraks 3 because i think the wire stock looks dumb

[novel stone]

Fair enough

I still love it so much

[south spindle]

Weap'Customization

Sorts that right out

[marble hare]

There are many like it, but this one is mine.

[south spindle]

Well this went well 😄

[novel stone]

Feels so damn good to chew crowds with, and shoot weakspots

[atomic zephyr]

can’t mod, play through nvidia game streaming

[south spindle]

Ahhh gotcha

[shrewd lagoon]

fellow Frank enjoyer

[atomic zephyr]

i wish i could you have no idea how bad i want to put a scope on my helbore

[novel stone]

Also make sure the traits you have selected are REALLY GENUINELY gonna benefit you, and if they are, see if there's any that will help more and trade out

Tis the main art of minmaxxing

[timber raven]

man I just want a sniper style gun that doesnt need to charge up

is that so much to ask for

[novel stone]

They literally have the model for one with the sniper having one

Just give it to us man

[knotty kayak]

ok based off of everyone's feedback, i think the bleed is probably gonna give more damage overall than the damage perks on the right side of the commando branch

[novel stone]

That should work good

Quite good

Take into a 3 or 4 and see how it works compared to before

[knotty kayak]

i really don't wanna give up the rending strikes cause it's basically free damage

[novel stone]

Be mindful of how specialist works

[knotty kayak]

even tho the investment is quite steep

[quasi socket]

so mk1 helbore, what perks/blessings should i be looking for?

[novel stone]

Nah its a fair play

[grand lark]

What ranged weapon you using? The suppression bonus seems a bit strange to take

[knotty kayak]

i have mgXII lasgun

[atomic zephyr]

onslaught

for the second blessing...uhhh, i would go surgical but no respite works too i think?

[knotty kayak]

i just took it cause idk what else to take

[grand lark]

I don't really think I'd advise the suppression bonus instead of the AOE damage boost. It's not amazing for stealth but still probably more useful when using a lasgun

[knotty kayak]

if i'm infiltrating then the 5s will run out

[grand lark]

Plus it adds more burst damage to your stealth if you use it just for a damage boost

[quasi socket]

@atomic zephyr this is what we have so far

[atomic zephyr]

cookin

[knotty kayak]

that is fair

[grand lark]

The stealh +30% mod, +15% close damage, and then +10% from that

[atomic zephyr]

that's a good gun

[novel stone]

Braced agri, or like I said the the vrax mk3 burst COOKS

[atomic zephyr]

leave that as is and upgrade it

[grand lark]

A braced autogun would benefit from the suppression a lot more yea

[quasi socket]

brunt blessed me with 1 in stock, hadron hasnt bricked it yet

[novel stone]

Or go all in and use plasma lol

[atomic zephyr]

honestly i dont think it can be bricked too hard in that state

you've got surgical and a decent perk

[elder vessel]

Isn't it strange how some veterans will ping a Crusher with a damage tag then annihilate it with a plasma that would have one shot it anyways

[quasi socket]

meanwhile my 2 columnus with t3 deathspitter are judging my allegiance

[novel stone]

Hadron bricking my 20% health curio with curio mission reward chance

[wanton dawn]

Plasma doesn't one shot crusher unless you charge it which is not a good idea

[elder vessel]

Change it to Ordos

[novel stone]

Hell yeah its a could idea

[novel stone]

I would mane but it's locked to curio

[wanton dawn]

As for tag, it gives thoughness, stamina and damage buff to the whole team on kill

[knotty kayak]

funnily enough i have both those on the zealot, but on my vet i have mgXII lasgun, vraks 7, and bolter

[novel stone]

I do it and it works great, hate crushers I'll dog in then as hard as I can

[wanton dawn]

You don't save ammo by charging plasma on crusher

charging plasma rn is as useful as bracing an agri autogun

[ebon umbra]

wait isnt the reg shot on crusher a 3 shot to kill?

[wanton dawn]

yes

[ebon umbra]

so 9 ammo but the heat tradeoff isnt worth?

[wanton dawn]

it takes the same amount of ammo, assuming you reach the one shot

[elder vessel]

One tapping a Crusher is good though

[ebon umbra]

if u miss tho LOL

[elder vessel]

Its a crusher

[wanton dawn]

It is about the same heat. The thing is: by just using regular shot you will never run the risk of exploding

[elder vessel]

You cant possibly Miss a crusher

[wanton dawn]

Also you can get 2 shot with regular

counting on team damage buff and contribution

So...

[ebon umbra]

i can miss when it is moving around and there are dreg ragers doing that girl surrounded by men meme

[wanton dawn]

Also, charge shot does not increase cleave

[novel stone]

Never had a problem

[wanton dawn]

That's not the point...

[ebon umbra]

irrelevant, but it does increase object pen im p sure

[elder vessel]

1 shot > 2 shot

[wanton dawn]

6 ammo > 9 ammo

[novel stone]

I will prob get that ammo back in like 3 seconds

[wanton dawn]

also you shot faster

[elder vessel]

6 x 2 is 12

[wanton dawn]

with regular

[novel stone]

So don't see the point

[wanton dawn]

base shot is 3 ammo...

[ebon umbra]

counting with vet

[novel stone]

I got the thing for damage, im doing the damage

[ebon umbra]

do y'all know if charging a shot really does increase object pen? im like so sure but lol i havent looked it up

[hearty frigate]

Bolter is Best

[novel stone]

I dont see the problem with using a little bit more ammo for obliterating a guy when I'm gonna get it back almost immediately

[wanton dawn]

The point is, you won't kill faster, nor more efficiently, compared to just using regular shot

[elder vessel]

The charge does more

[ebon umbra]

there is also the talent investment

[elder vessel]

Idk dude

[wanton dawn]

It, literally, doesnt

[elder vessel]

It does

[novel stone]

Yeah it do

[hard cave]

I want a skitari class that has summonable drones

[elder vessel]

It 1 shot Crusher

[wanton dawn]

So does 3 regular, at roughly the same speed

same ammo profile, same damage, same heat

[elder vessel]

Bro

[wanton dawn]

and no risk of exploding

[elder vessel]

1 shot is instant

2 is not

[wanton dawn]

So charged shot is instant now

I guess regular shot also take 6 ammo

man, stop arguing in bad faith

[elder vessel]

Yeah

Pull trigger

It shoot

It kill Crusher in 1

[terse idol]

[ebon umbra]

charge shot has a charge time

but yeah plasma

[terse idol]

Pgun?

[ebon umbra]

anyone have a way to consistently tell what can objects can be penned?

[terse idol]

Uh

[ebon umbra]

i have to just shoot and pray sometimes

carnival has a million of them

it is beautiful

[terse idol]

It can shoot through most pillars, and I've even managed to shoot bombers already marked through floors

[novel stone]

It Usually just hope for the best

[terse idol]

As long as it's not behind 2 walls you can hit it

Anything taking cover, you can pen for sure

Its consistent

[wanton dawn]

Oh, i just tested, I have a setup where I can kill a crusher in one uncharged shot

[south spindle]

On a Melee/Shotgun setup this might actually be super good...

[terse idol]

[south spindle]

Idk if it has a cooldown, or can only proc once tho

[terse idol]

With focus target or exec?

[wanton dawn]

focus target. Would be easier with exec

no ult though

[terse idol]

spicy

[wanton dawn]

2s, need to trim the video

Granted, it won't be consistent but the whole point of getting blaze away and get hot is to dump

In practice you won't get that, but in practice when you are getting ganked by a group of crusher you will be blazing away

Cuz you want to stagger

[ebon umbra]

i would use volatile if u wanna do the one shot

even then that is situational

ur venting would have to be on point

[wanton dawn]

Volatile is better now, but I think I'll stick to get hot+blaze

[ebon umbra]

im trying to get a setup to oneshot dreg ragers with volatile and no killzone at all ranges

but the talent cost is a bitch

and i have to be really aware of my shot combos and vents

[wanton dawn]

the build btw. This is my confort setup

You will probably get more dps by using maniac and/or flak. I use it for big game hunter though

You could call it anti-boss IG. It's better to melee them in general

[ebon umbra]

i'll save this for monstro mod

i still take volley fire usually just so i can shoot through walls

it is really fun

[wanton dawn]

I could run volley but I value survability more than raw damage atm

[ebon umbra]

LOL, reasonable

[wanton dawn]

If exe stance had a thoughness refill I might consider running it

[ebon umbra]

i tend to always have a smite psyker with me

and i bring the dclaw for quick parries for things that annoy me while im shooting

weapon swap on spacebar and weapon action on m4

[wanton dawn]

Plus, the scream is great to push mutie and dogs out of dudes

[ebon umbra]

i miss blowing up bursters without even looking at them

i mean i do it with frags but the shout

it just fires neurons

[wanton dawn]

In any case, don't use charge shot on plasma. There is little to no reason not to spam primary fire

[slow spade]

Yeah the only times I use charge shot is to wallbang targets further away

[spark helm]

What does it even do besides prepping a shot, and raising heat for blessing interactions and talents?

[wanton dawn]

Big number

[ebon umbra]

yeah wallbangs are the only reason to charge

[slow spade]

It increases wall penetration

[wanton dawn]

Not big enough over 3 shot

[slow spade]

So walls you normally can't pen with normal, you can now

[spark helm]

Mm

[slow spade]

Has saved braindead teammates before for me

[spark helm]

How thick?

[wanton dawn]

Doesnt increase target pen though

Just tested it on mauler

[spark helm]

Like a crate's worth of wall thickness?

[slow spade]

Not sure, but at least like a meter thick

Its enough to be relevant

[spark helm]

Cod wall then I guess.

[wanton dawn]

you can touch 6 mauler with a plasma shot. Charged or not

[slow spade]

Don't underestimate it when dealing with bad teammates

A good wallpen shot can save someone

[wanton dawn]

I might test it sometimes. When someone get dogged at a crappy place

[spark helm]

I never do. I just never knew what it really did and only thought of it as a way to spin stuff like deadshot and all that

Good to know though

[slow spade]

That's actually how I saved someone once. They got pounced like 30m out and I was able to wallpen before damage

[spark helm]

Won't be as compelled to angle myself for an open shot versus just blasting the wall now

Or "a" wall

[slow spade]

Its just a tool you have available to you

[spark helm]

Mhm

[slow spade]

Never hurts to use it when you can

[wanton dawn]

It's a tech. Always good to know

[unkempt lagoon]

Is the difference between the two new folding shovels just the moveset?
the mk3 seems to be better, I imagine you can also chain the heavy strikedown into the light or vice versa?

[spark helm]

I'm always in the mind that everything that can be used, can be helpful. It's a matter of what's more obvious to some and/or what's applicable in the moment.

[wanton dawn]

At the end of the day, it is about when it is useful to use charged shot. Shooting through wall is one of them. Something that you should be doing sparingly to begin with

[ebon umbra]

i can use the next room to extend volley fire

[hallow moat]

Nobody can hide from me

[ebon umbra]

ngl shooting thru walls can get u killed

"oh boy a shotgunner"

crusher patrol appears

[crimson bloom]

Worth invest?

[ebon umbra]

yes

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[quasi socket]

anyone got a talent build focused on the helbore? been running my normal shout/weapon specialist, curious if theres an exe stance one people have been tossing around

[ebon umbra]

gets hot big boy focus candidate

[wanton dawn]

Volatile t1 is scuffed, unyielding t3 is fine. Stats are good, although ammo and thermal resist could have been swapped

It is a good candidate

[terse idol]

Ideally you get a pgun that has a break point to oneshot ragers with one left click

[crimson bloom]

Ok for sure.

[ebon umbra]

i meant on the body

because i am lazy

[crimson bloom]

Just saw it in the amoury and picked it up

[ebon umbra]

[crimson bloom]

Not afan of plasmas nbut havent tried them in awhile

So I will again

[wanton dawn]

It is rather unique

[ebon umbra]

i wish that zzzzt reload sound always played

fatshark i beg you

[crimson bloom]

There is a mod for that

[ebon umbra]

i like it when the plug in the back pops up and it ZZZZTS

[wanton dawn]

Again, the secret sauce is not to use charged shot in normal situation. Spam left click

[crimson bloom]

But you'd have to run a local server to run audio

[ebon umbra]

i was baited

[crimson bloom]

Werid af but thats how it works with audio mods

Nah it just runs seemlessly

In the background

It's like dev cmd prompt

[ebon umbra]

i wanna play on a local server with my static

[twin ingot]

got this finally

[ebon umbra]

so i'll use it there

[crimson bloom]

Can you really pen wallls though?

[ebon umbra]

i know, not aiming for the head with the weapon with a giant blast

court martial me

[crimson bloom]

And for example shoot through the airlock doors before pressing button?

Room clear

[wanton dawn]

Pen cover with base shot. Not wall

But charged shot consume 3 times more ammo

Also, base shot cannot make you explode

[ebon umbra]

yes, the brick walls in the first carnival map are easy to pen, hunting ground spawns can be one shot but they sit back a lil. but basically the spawn doors will be where u wall pen the most.

if you are getting your ass handed to you on sniper purge you could just hide behind something and wall pen

but if your ass is getting handed to u u have a bigger problem

same thing if ur pinned by gunners

but this should like only happen in like 1 in 100 games or some shit

[wanton dawn]

Gunner and co are easy to handle with plasma. Unless scattered but that is the same for almost every ranged

[ebon umbra]

yeah. if ur not handling gunners well atm ur having some serious issue.

OH

Im p sure the regular shot cant stagger the twins?

[pallid topaz]

Still no hellgun? What a shame

[wanton dawn]

I dont think so

[ebon umbra]

again, a rare occurrence tho

[flint lake]

Pick up a Hellbore

[civic knot]

[wanton dawn]

I like to scream them on their butts though

[pallid topaz]

Unless it’s the Krieg Grenadier version that functions the same as a hellgun, no thanks

[wanton dawn]

I had a game where the 2nd dps done was my boss damage

This is annoying

The open area is a wipe fest

Surprisingly volatile map

Similar to the one after the sewer on the boss map

[elder vessel]

CadiaDeservedIt

[wanton dawn]

True

But id say it is one of the hard map, all thing considered

[civic knot]

Bricked for BiS blessings?

[wanton dawn]

Hardest last event more than hardest map

[heavy bridge]

I've only gotten to the last event a few times, but every time I do we complete it

it might be harder than the other events but I feel like if a team can make it there it's probably fine

[wanton dawn]

It got easier after discovering sunder

Half joking. Got ambushed a lot by dozen of rager on this

[flint lake]

Looks fine, you got 1 out of 4. You can easily keep shred and replace the perks to make the best use of finesse bonuses from the vet tree.

[wanton dawn]

At the end of the day what truly sucks is getting bad bomber that stay on top.

[teal abyss]

I’d throw The Excise Vault mission into the running for hardest ending, something always seems to go wrong there. Usually idiots scatter and just run for the first red light vault they see and then it’s like “well fuck”

[pseudo horizon]

What sets Headhunter autoguns equal to or above Braced or Infantry autoguns?

[wanton dawn]

Excise vault is hard but less volatile ?

The one where you send a message ? Where you get fucked if the skull spawn on the bottom

Am still sad they fixed the high platform terrain glitch

[south spindle]

Hab or Carnival

Carnival just because of that first event room slamming you in the dick right out the gate

[wanton dawn]

Carnival crashes more

[south spindle]

Like damn Director, let me warm up first

[serene sage]

Recently most if not every team I've played with successfully get through it

[midnight mortar]

That room is easy if people actually know that the waves stop spawning when you complete the objective and hold in the back right corner of the room.

[serene sage]

The hallways after where they die to bombers are another story

[fierce steeple]

what auto guns are good these days? I havent used any in ages

[midnight mortar]

Columnus mk5.

[elder vessel]

Grauto

[fierce steeple]

What blessings do they need? Last time I tried autoguns I was very unimpressed with their performance compared to Las or Plasma

[south spindle]

If people know that yeah, it makes it a lot easier, i still dont like the single-room clusterfuck tho

[quick moth]

Laser seems the best, but they're all crap compared to revolver and plasma imo.

[south spindle]

Don't much like the event rooms in the new one either, circular room with no cover or visibility be a pita

[flint garden]

bombers and flamers hiding in the fog

[wanton dawn]

Some ppl did mention that the columnus iag was better on psyker

[quick moth]

Even with gun Psyker, I still go for revolver.

You're basically getting brain burst and knives.

[midnight mortar]

I think the premise is neat. It forces some interactions and the spawning algorithm isn't potentially impossible to handle unlike say with the outdoor battery section of the comms plex shutdown map.

[empty creek]

the ideal gun psyker uses smthgn high-volume so U can have more chances 2 brainpop but fuck man, U don’t need 2 brainpop if ur bullet explodes their entire head on the 1st go

[slow spire]

Agriipinaa is amazing. Mob and team penetration. Tap firing ADS for long distance sniper kills and with stance you take care of flak packs with a mag or less with proper aim. Personal experience, it's good up to heresy.

[fierce steeple]

I exclusively play damnation or auric dam

[empty creek]

the recon lasrifles suddenly feel great

[quick moth]

Yeah that's my philosophy with it. If you're going Smite, use a surge staff though.

[empty creek]

i would disagree but only on the grounds of how useful mass-stuns can be

[hollow ibex]

My marksman vet got fucked so hard there. Makes me even wonder why I play marksman

[snow pendant]

u have no idea how often ppl forget they have grenades

[quick moth]

I've yet to try a gun with smite, but maybe it's alright. I don't play my psyker too much, but smite is for sure super effective for support.

[empty creek]

i have the most fun using the medium infantry lasrifle so i take that over everything else

[frozen meadow]

I basically only use grenades if teammate is down and they are surrounded

[fierce steeple]

what sort of blessings do u want on that colomnus IAG

[empty creek]

gun smite’s cool but it’s a lot of gambling, hence the need 4 high-volume weapons

[snow pendant]

i go full grenade build i see crowds the pineapple is getting yeeted at them

and more will be yeeted to solve the problem

[empty creek]

shredders are the catch-all get out of jail free card

stagger or kill everything

[south spindle]

Nice premise, but it does feel a raw with new fire, miss an audio cue from a flamer an suddenly you're getting turned into a spit-roast for the heretic's opium party

[snow pendant]

i go shredder because if i can clear the mobs i have all the room to deal with anything else

[slow spire]

I just havent felt ready for aurics yet and the few damnations I've done havent been on my vet. I dont have any doubts that it wouldnt atleast perform "good enough" based on my experience.

[quick moth]

Yep. It's another oh shit tool along with shout.

[empty creek]

i avoid the weapon metas like the plague since i already abuse the shout

[south spindle]

Braced Autoguns are Shredder, but better

[snow pendant]

when u have wiggle room there is nothing u cannot handle

[quick moth]

I underhand my grenades 70% of the time

[empty creek]

i always throw long but will typically purposely bounce walls since it makes me feel cool

[snow pendant]

i take shredder and enhanced node the aoe and the bleed ticks make the grenade a weed whacker

screen cleared except for armor

then u can start doming them

[empty creek]

i dont take the upgraded grenades node, i only take regen

[snow pendant]

i want the upgraded aoe and bleed ticks

[empty creek]

having 25 extra toughness or more damage against big guys helps me more than the bigger evil booms but it’s just what im used 2

[snow pendant]

throw 2 out and just pull out ur gun to start doming armor because the mobs is going to expire in 2 seconds

especially pog if u run plasma

[empty creek]

real as fuck

[quick moth]

I just take regen and the single grenade and clear the trash with chainsword heavies if I have to. Priority target? Revolver and back to it. Armor is irrelevant there.

Not the most exciting gameplay, but it's effective.

[snow pendant]

plasma charge it then collat some armor

[empty creek]

plasma’s cool but using it on auric damnation & auric maelstrom feels like cope

[snow pendant]

this is the economic way with revolver to kill specials but i want to play in a michael bay movie so i bring max grenades , upgrade em and everyway to get more grenades

[slow spire]

Lol

[empty creek]

question marking like it’s confusing how bringing the huge cannon in2 a really hard difficulty makes it less difficult

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is one of the best vet option for auric maelstrom rn

[snow pendant]

i got so many grenades i can make micheal bay make a 40k warhammer movie

[quick moth]

I think you'd like the Ogryn lol you can go grenade launcher and the box of grenades

[empty creek]

i don’t doubt it, i just don’t like it

[snow pendant]

thats how i run my ogryn

i get prssed the box of grenade is going out with extra aoe boom

[quick moth]

I wish gun ogryn was better, but man the stubber is kinda junk imo

Also spoiled by revolver here

[wanton dawn]

Well, don't use it then ! I don't see what this is about coping though

[empty creek]

im saying that so i seem superior & trick others in2 not using it

[crisp bronze]

So it turns out the Boltgun is pretty fun. I usually play a more melee focused approach but trying out the Boltgun and being a marksman in the backline was a nice change of pace.
Here's the setup I'm using:

[snow pendant]

i just hate when the game spawns crushers and bulwark squads they are in full sprint trying to box u in , the cheapest way to press u and let the special kill you through them with nets and fire

meta or not i'm going full cheese against the game

[empty creek]

a lot of people used 2 say shattering impact is a great perk 4 bolters going in2 those higher difficulties so if U have it, try it

[quick moth]

It's a good gun, but you have to use volley due to that incredibly bad swap speed yeah

[snow pendant]

i dont get it why bolter , if the blessing arent stacked u cant even 1 shot a gunner if is not headshot or crit

[spring spindle]

The feeling of that last part on the new mission just outside the elevator when a horde comes and I drop an ammo crate like

“Might as well bring a lawn chair because I’m mowing this horde for fun.”

[empty creek]

cuz it’s fun

[snow pendant]

the swap speed isnt

[urban steppe]

now i love autoguns

[empty creek]

thug blaster 9000

[spring spindle]

Ok but hear me out

Big gun go boom

[snow pendant]

minimize the aim , maximize the boom

[empty creek]

all gun need 2 do is make loud bang

[snow pendant]

ez

[quick moth]

Is the Helbore worth using at all? I know that's the closest thing we get to a sniper rifle, but frankly the revolver feels like one as is.

[wanton dawn]

I use it as a melee weapon

[empty creek]

yeah, the mk3 is kinda poopoo if U aren’t locked in but the 2 & 1 can be very fun

oh yeah, they’re perfect 4 melee builds since the bayonets can frag now

[crisp bronze]

I was actually using a setup similar to mine above, but instead of Executioner's Stance I had Voice of Command. Saved 2 points and let me pick up Marksman's Focus. It was pretty fun. Lots of one shot bodyshot breakpoints. Difficult to use but very satisfying when it works well.

[snow pendant]

if u wanna snipe is revolers , headhunters or bolters , helbore is a convinient rifle with a bayonet that is good to stab with

u can snipe with helbore if the enemy isnt aggro but then again any gun can do the same

[spring spindle]

I wouldn’t call it a sniper but I like the Helbore. I think it’s nice

(I just think they look cooler than the other Lasguns)

[snow pendant]

the reason why i wont say helbore is a sniper cuz that 1st shot needs to be charged

slow ass charge doesnt make a good sniper

[quick moth]

Closest we get to a Hotshot unfortunately

[south spindle]

Boltgun supremacy 🙏

Seriously though, i hope Lasguns get a VFX overhaul at somepoint

A small burning hole in some dudes head vs him fucking exploding into viscera...

[quick moth]

I'd main the Boltgun if the swap speed wasn't ass and if I could use it with voice too, but I can't

[south spindle]

Its a hard selll

[spring spindle]

Me ripping the Scab Gunner limb from limb so I can take his lasgun

[south spindle]

Beauty of it is you dont really need shout because everything has been turned into goo

[crisp bronze]

Boltgun is the real sniper rifle in Darktide. It feels exactly like trying to shoulder and aim a scopeless Barret 50. Except the bullets are bigger as well as explosive.

[south spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/torgue-explosions-borderlands-gaming-game-gif-16537893

[spring spindle]

Good old Boltgun and chainsword. Classy pick.

[midnight mortar]

Nah, the lasgun vfx is exactly what I wanted it to be. Can't say I prefer the explosion of a bolt round.

[south spindle]

Heretic..

Rannick! Rannick, sir! I found one!

[spring spindle]

Tbh you could argue Agripinaa shotgun is a sniper

[crisp bronze]

You can use Boltgun with Voice of Command. It just takes knowing when and where you can swap and go full marksman. I've had success with it. But like I said very difficult but very rewarding.

[tall torrent]

Helbore is closest to vraks7 as a backline marksman/rear guard kind of weapon

[south spindle]

Ehhhhh, its a slug shotgun, it does some funny shit, but i wouldnt call it an Sniper

Manstopper is pretty hilarious with the slugs tho

Its like budget Plasma

[spring spindle]

Anything is a sniper if you try hard enough

[south spindle]

Well.... SAP certainly isnt

[snow pendant]

i agree because it can produce enough force to knock a bulwark shield open

[south spindle]

Spray your entire mag trying to kill something at 30m

[spring spindle]

I’ll take a columnus braced and poke some shots at a sniper and somehow kill it miraculously on occasion

Because funny

[south spindle]

Aye that has some decent enough output tbf

Btw... Brace the Graia BAG with speed stimm....

Turns you into a walking Vulcan

[spring spindle]

I just like the braced guns because they require no brainpower to me

Especially Agripinaa

[tall torrent]

Not a fan of the slow-ish reloads

But they’re fun

[quick moth]

The Kantrael shotgun is kinda legit for Zealots imo and might be better than the flamer, but I generally use revolver for my Zealot too unfortunately lol

[spring spindle]

That’s why I take infiltrate with it tbh

[south spindle]

Its legit on Vet too in all honesty

Again, Manstopper is MvP, Weap'Spec' an the guaranteed crits turns everything in front of you into soup

[quick moth]

Hmm I may have to try it then

[dire jacinth]

Are these usable?

[south spindle]

Its very fun, Chainsword for melee, kill a few poxies, dump a shell into oncoming Rager pack through the poxie horde, profit

[south spindle]

Graia certainly is

[tall torrent]

Usable, yes

[south spindle]

Get Deadshot + Duck n Dive with a couple stam curios, an you'll wipe everything

Hit'N'Run counts as dodging, so you'll regen your stam essentially by killing stuffs, infinite crit loop

An when Braced the Graia has insane DPS

[lofty lintel]

which one better

[rose wedge]

I like 2 better

[quaint valve]

second one, pen is much better

[tight orbit]

Does this skill affect the Plasma Rifle?

[quaint valve]

if you run specialist on vet keystone you dont need to worry too much about reload speed

[quaint valve]

When you hard reload, but not cooling if thats what you mean

[acoustic wyvern]

i'd advise against getting reload speed on plasma

plasma normal mag already has a large ammo pool

[quaint valve]

and if you play weapon specialist you can keep yourself topped up that way too

[acoustic wyvern]

yep yep

[tight orbit]

that might actually be the first incentive i've had to pick one of the veteran keystones

[quaint valve]

Tac reload is a maybe overall, since the other 30% reload on elite kill is better and more consistent for stuff like the bolter

[sharp epoch]

Just keep in mind its a subnode of weapon specialist

[slow garden]

Have they fixed the fire bug yet?

[quaint valve]

Yes you need the ammo restore node under weapon specialist

[quaint valve]

Not that i have seen

[south prairie]

Soon™️

[slow garden]

🕗

^ Thats me

[quaint valve]

Hopefully before the holidays

[slow garden]

You're probably wondering how I got in this situation

Well it all started one week ago, on patch day....

Didnt even get to see the new ambush from the twins I've been waiting so long on this to be fixed.

[quaint valve]

Twin* you get one of them on ambush

[slow garden]

Ehh. I've done a few games with friends (who are all pretty competant)

[quaint valve]

Also you dont really kill them, they get low health and pop smoke outta there

[slow garden]

Server lag and the fire bug has made it very unpleasant, so

I'll skip and wait.

[quaint valve]

They will just add an assaination mission for them surely

[slow garden]

Can't clear damnation with my premades anymore, so.

[quaint valve]

I am liking the new MK3 shovel after trying it today. Is there a preferred combo for hoarde clear or just light spam?

[delicate lotus]

If such a thing as shotgun build exists whhich one would i use?

[quick moth]

Do you happen to have a weapon specialist build handy? Trying to decide between knife or chainsword/power sword for that one. The extra mobility via knife for shotgun especially could be nice.

[slow garden]

next time a run killer bug gets into the game, if it gets fixed in under two days, I will spend 20 usd on microtransaction cosmetics

But until then

[quaint valve]

Side note, imperial edition upgrade on steam 50% off, worth the aquilas at least if thats your thing. Dont have to spend 20$

[slow garden]

Oh, well hey bro, I appreciate you letting me know that!

[quick moth]

I can maybe deal with the fire. I can't deal with the servers disconnecting me or even worse rubber banding me to hell and back.

[slow garden]

I'm a big gameplay nerd so, I'll buy that if they... Fix things in a better timeframe next time. Kinda salty about the update and the experience I've had so far.

Yep, I've had that issue too.

Game wasn't even in a good state before they're retiring the miniboss ambush

Never even got to fight him

[quick moth]

I was like 80% done with one game and the other guy also had the extreme rubber banding which just fucked us completely.

[slow garden]

[quick moth]

More reason for Fatshark not to use the player base as the play testers lol

[slow garden]

Turn off crossplay temporarily then, or negotiate a deal with MS. The only thing I care about is having a good time.

I don't care about the why.

[heavy bridge]

it seems like the Kant is the best?
Spamming the fire shot deals a lot of DOT

[slow garden]

Or just test your stuff before you release it.

[quick moth]

Awesome ty!

[tall sleet]

What perks do you guys run on revolver?

The old one

[slow garden]

Maniac and flak

Some might run crit % tho

Thats also popular on the old volver

[tall sleet]

That sounds a little redundant if you have surgical and deadshot

[quick moth]

I have a possible 104% crit rate on my revolver lol

[tall sleet]

I thought about carapace, maybe it'll make oneshotting maulers/crushers easier

Think crushers is a bit off without executioner stance tho

Or the leftmost keystone

Maybe middle keystone could do the trick tbh

[quick moth]

You just wanna aim ideally for longer with crushers to take advantage of surgical

Though yeah 2 shots is more common

[tall sleet]

Already oneshot everything else on crit so

[steep vault]

how do I make this better

[tall sleet]

I haven't tested breakpoints enough with the middle keystone

[hallow moat]

What’s the meta blessings for the heavy las pistol?

[steep vault]

I got it as a drop

[gray belfry]

dumdum/infernus is a good combo

[hallow moat]

Got ya thanks

[tall sleet]

Anyway thanks for the input peace

[gray belfry]

not sure if its meta but hey burning and closerange damage is hard to say no to

[lofty lintel]

thrust instead of decimator

[steep vault]

what about the perks

[lofty lintel]

carapace flak

[steep vault]

it's so close to breaking gunner so I'm guessing flak

[gray belfry]

i got flak maniac on mine

[quick moth]

Found this comment on Reddit regarding weapon specialist and I'll have to test it myself, but that sounds ridiculous

[steep vault]

it's bugged

so it's OP asf rn

[quick moth]

Jesus lol

[hybrid river]

Is it really bugged? I thought the one guaranteed crit was the intention

[gray belfry]

think its 33% was the intended

ill log in and check

ssd dont fail me now

yeah its supposed to be 33% crit chance on next shot

[quick moth]

So that's the meta for veteran currently then is my guess

[runic grove]

is the vet the best class at all

[gray belfry]

i just run focus target because marking a boss/crusher for 32% extra damage for free is funny

[quick moth]

Yeah that's what I've been running too which has also been fine for aur damn

[gray belfry]

was checking to see where they moved the bleed on hit and i could get it but i sacrifice weakspot damage/suppression immunity/ammo reserves for it. ill pass

[quick moth]

Veteran or Zealot imo yeah. Psyker is also fun, but absolutely more support based. Ogryn is the worst imo and needs more love.

If you're going level two characters to 30, do vet and zealot.

[wintry citrus]

hello, got this plasma gun and i wanna change one of it perks which one should i look into? one is more damage to elite and the other is more damage on weakspot and idk if i should change it too both look good

[runic grove]

im kinda new (100 hours tho), mostly psyker, then ogryn, a bit zeal and zero vet

but vet with the free krak grenades seems op

also plasma gun

[gray belfry]

replace elite with flak id imagine

[runic grove]

they kill all crushers before i can pull my staff

[quick moth]

Vet basically deletes everything in aur damn, but zealot can too.

[runic grove]

if not plasma, then with free nades

[gray belfry]

being able to say 'no' to a crusher is damn nice, but frag nades help thin out hordes too, plus every so often ill throw 2 into a horde then the kill feed lights up with so many rager deaths

[quick moth]

Ogryn and Psyker are for sure more support based, but Ogryn can one shot crushers with that damn shovel lol

[upbeat loom]

Same, and you don't have to rely on a conditional (melee kills) to get that damage

[runic grove]

not point blank tho

[wise fossil]

New shovel is probably Thrust + Decimator for blessings?

[runic grove]

and keystone

[gray belfry]

im tempted to give the marksmans focus a go, but im way too aggro for it i can feel it

[upbeat loom]

I was not able to find a way to enjoy it

[quick moth]

I run an assail gun Psyker here and there, but the vet and zealot generally get the most kills for sure.

[gray belfry]

just crouch walk everywhere, run the 5% movement aura so you arent limping everywhere thats the obvious way to go about it right 'this is sarcasm please dont'

[upbeat loom]

/s incarnate

[gray belfry]

fellow second ammendment enjoyer

being able to melt a monstrosity with scryers and the funny dumdum/infernus laspistol doesnt get old

[urban steppe]

better to take elit kill reload speed than spend 2 points for that

[gray belfry]

it does, but the reload on elite kill i find is better

[quick moth]

Revolver is basically brain burst so you may as well take it which frankly works better than BB in so many scenarios. I've never been great for BB though, but damn is it slow.

[runic grove]

imo surge > revolver

[snow pendant]

is faster than BB thats for sure

[quick moth]

Surge is great if you're going Smite

[gray belfry]

i run brain burst on my flamethrower staff build, just so i have some distance option

[upbeat loom]

It works pretty alright with purge staff and enhanced, goes off quickly

[quick moth]

Same, but that's my least played

[gray belfry]

also got the chance to give someone the jimmy nutron special on damage, so seeing it just go off randomly in a horde is funny when it targets the rager

[gray belfry]

yeah thats fair, sometimes it works great, sometimes you get the team comp from hell and noone deals with distant targets so you suffer

[upbeat loom]

which also

1. Procs very close to it's internal CD with flame because hit rate.
2. Helps to spread fire faster (first mob dies and spreads stacks quickly.)
3. Allows you to spread fire at range by BBing gunners and such to clear ranged packs.

[gray belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

[quick moth]

I for sure think assail, bubble, revolver and deimos is my favorite for Psyker. Though I suppose revolver and deimos is a little redundant, but you can absolutely use the dueling sword too.

[runic grove]

afterat least 90h on psyker i think the most fun is purge build, but the most effective is flame shriek + smite

[gray belfry]

duelling sword being able to stun mutants with the special poke is funny as hell when it happens

the build ive been running until i came back to vet was scryers/assail/laspistol

[quick moth]

You're literally untouchable if you get the rhythm down between heavy and special. It's pretty memey

[upbeat loom]

My dueling sword broke, more about dagger length now.

[gray belfry]

shame the damage on peril got fixed, too good to ahve 10% free damage i know, but it did help with breakpoints

debating making a mk 3 shovel, or working on the new knife

[spring spindle]

Who would win. A hulking mass of rotten meat charging at you

Or. Some schizophrenic with a pointy metal stick

[nimble sentinel]

piss off with your dueling swords psykers, this is vet chat

[gray belfry]

who would win, a writhing mass of flesh loosely resembling the shape of a man, or some angry git with a shovel

[quick moth]

Hey, my psyker has a revolver too lol

[runic grove]

the question is, do vets enjoy a smite spyker

[gray belfry]

leave the spark eads be

[upbeat loom]

Yes.

[gray belfry]

anytime a hordes not hitting me is a good time

[upbeat loom]

Smite, like book, or shout, is love and life.

[runic grove]

thought it makes it to easy

[gray belfry]

VoC my beloved

[spring spindle]

To be fair. He’s pretty angry

[gray belfry]

[quick moth]

It dramatically makes it easier for veterans and zealots yeah absolutely. It's for sure the most helpful support build.

[nimble sentinel]

they broke his favourite rock or something idk

[wise fossil]

I see smiter psykers on auric all the time

Really helpful

[quick moth]

Smite Psyker > shield Ogryn imo

Ogryn really needs help

[gray belfry]

i like the shield, heavy attack feels like you hit them with a steel door

[wise fossil]

Shield Ogryn works except the 90% of the time where people aren't running the correct blessings & skills

So it almost never works lol

[gray belfry]

just waiting for them to get dual shields like in ds2/3 to charge in with

[upbeat loom]

Proper shield ogryn is top damage and has horde and most elites taken care of

[spring spindle]

To be fair. A shield Ogryn hitting a host is an instant win

[upbeat loom]

Just gotta worry about specials and you're golden

[quick moth]

A mutant threw our shield Ogryn off a cliff the last match lol

[swift flax]

shield ogryn is only bad if the person using it just holds block

[gray belfry]

team lays into the DH while the ogryn hits the bunker stance and eats rations

[cerulean void]

and IT'S GRUG WITH THE FOLDING STEEL DOOR!

[echo parcel]

When i see Sheildgryn with charge, they know what they are doing

[wise fossil]

Yes. Understand that just because you have a shield doesn't mean that you should play defensively

[gray belfry]

hadron over the vox losing it

[quick moth]

I play my Ogryn kinda stupid with charge and kickback, but it works. Basically Zealot style.

[spring spindle]

I like to take it with charge. Bleed. And just spam all my heavies tbh

[gray belfry]

'special assignment node pops up for a second when i get to the mission select, vanishes after'

i know about the new mission coming at some stage

[quick moth]

Maybe I will make a shield Ogryn at least for those weekly Melk bucks

[gray belfry]

i got a 550 shield i run every so often

started going to shovel recently though, because punching a monstrosity to stun it is always funny

havent gone back in a while though

[quick moth]

NGL, pure melee missions with the folding shovel and all Ogryn teams are hilarious and awesome lol

Peak Ogryn experience

[gray belfry]

my usual playstyle was shovel/rock and not use my rumbler for 90% of the mission

[nimble sentinel]

are there no vets here???

[gray belfry]

always laughed when i got a 60m sniper kill with rock

[gray belfry]

nah we're all just psykers and ogryns in a guardsman uniform

[quick moth]

I think everyone that's a Discord nerd also has every class at 30 just saying 🤷‍♂️

Easy to get off track that way

[gray belfry]

silence knife zealot

[quasi socket]

bricked or salvagable?

[nimble sentinel]

you can save this, stamina to flak and sustained to dumdum

[quick moth]

Go take your knife and run into the mist never to be seen again!

[quasi socket]

sweeeeet

[quick moth]

Knife stealth Zealots are pretty helpful when everyone needs to be untied though

[forest blaze]

Nah

[lofty lintel]

hows this for melee vet

[wise fossil]

My buddy told me the other day that the Ogryn has it's own unique breach charge animation

The animation team really loves this game

[tardy plaza]

So called knife-zealot haters when the knife zealot has stealthed all the way to their three bodies and can now rescue them 👉 👈

[quasi socket]

does new chainsword hit less enemies than the old chainsword?

or is it just comfort with the old moveset?

[small spire]

is everyone experiencing the lag with the plasma gun, weird recoil shots going invisible, fake shots, or is the bug only affecting some people?

[toxic leaf]

is melk tryna tell me something

too bad this is on my psyker

[slow spade]

Its saying that psyker is bad play Vet/Zealot

[languid drum]

this is the best class ever

[midnight mortar]

It's a new bug with the plasma gun, due to server lag.

[quasi socket]

brunt is my dude today

[tribal tinsel]

fuckin A

[languid drum]

damn

[quasi socket]

thats 2 greys with good starts on em.

[tribal tinsel]

I haven't even found anything that can break 60% in any stat yet

[quasi socket]

dont worry, i still get stuff with 49% damage

[tardy plaza]

i dont understand

i've seen higher base ratings with lower percentages

how does the rating / stats in this game fucking work

[tribal tinsel]

Hadron stares at a random number generator and somehow divines meaning from it

[gray belfry]

hadron : lmao bet

[quasi socket]

(my limited understanding) can have a total rating of 380 at the grey level, character level of 30, the points are spread throughout the gun in random assortments

[quasi socket]

she hasnt scuffed this one (yet)

[tardy plaza]

I know some players hate me right now

[viral nacelle]

Gunker with quickdraw is actually really good

[tardy plaza]

Cus I'm trying to sharpen my Vet skills and I'm doing it by diving into auric maelstroms

[tribal tinsel]

Gunker?

oh gun psyker

[gray belfry]

ill say again. hadron will find a way to brick a gun you want

[quasi socket]

ive been taking my time rolling things with her, giving her ample time to replenish her favor with me

[gray belfry]

pain.

[lofty lintel]

is this bricked

[tardy plaza]

no

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[tardy plaza]

though 346 is eh

[quasi socket]

plus im pretty low-mid tier player at this game, so im trying to get better before focusing on loot gambling

[finite imp]

Brutal momentum
Bricked
Pick one

[tardy plaza]

hell no

I love BM

my PS is cycler 4 BM 4

[lofty lintel]

if i get cycler is it salvageable

ik base stat could be beter

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[lofty lintel]

better

but im too broke

to get one

[hollow ibex]

Good luck with that though

[tardy plaza]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1182747664480215130/image-10.png?ex=6585d299&is=65735d99&hm=5dc2a56633449e196132f1e0aa8833fe23435593c6438ecc05603ee74524a74f&

[finite imp]

BM is probably the best blessing you can get on ps second to Cycler

[tardy plaza]

i love BM

[finite imp]

Beautiful

[delicate lotus]

Nice i got the Plasma gun unlocked

[finite imp]

Sick. Go knife revolver

[gray belfry]

i got rampage on mine and it does the trick well enough. free 36% damage whenever a horde rocks up is good

[midnight mortar]

The reason BM outranks Rampage is because BM is both a damage increase and also allows you to cleave more enemies than you otherwise would be able to. Negating enemy hitmass on weakspot hits is a major boost to the psword's killing economy.

[tall torrent]

Cycler 4, yes

[midnight mortar]

Being able to kill 7 bruisers per swing instead of 3-4 while energized and dealing more effective damage across all of them because damage isn't lost because cleave isn't lost as early.

[gray belfry]

thats honestly fair. i just cant be bothered rolling another when the one i have does well enough.

[midnight mortar]

Understandable.

The crafting is hell.

[tardy plaza]

^^^^^

Ragers can blow me

[gray belfry]

besides im trying to wean myself away from power sword shenanigins. on the pickaxe shovel train atm

[tardy plaza]

There is a work around to making the crafting system much less of a pain I found though

[tall torrent]

Uncanny 4 + take a swing 4 on standard shovel can cook

[tardy plaza]

Don't be poor

[gray belfry]

'whats that you ran a mission with 5 deaths due to an unfortuinate horde/hunting grounds/dh aggro and pulled a win out of nowhere? heres the worst chainaxe roll youve ever seen as a reward'

[lofty lintel]

YUP

ME RN

spent 250k praying for a good PS

best one was 316

im not kidding

[brisk sapphire]

How .. is that possible

[tardy plaza]

This cost me 2 million 🙃

the rng gods can be

very unfavorable

tho actually thats not fair cus i was also spending ordos on plas guns at the same time

[gray belfry]

lmao just got a 23% damage cowboy revolver from brunt. thanks mate

[tall torrent]

I think I’ve spent at least a million buying stuff from requisition just to harvest t1 and t2 blessings for collection

[serene sage]

this costed me almost nothing because it got it from normal shop 😄

[tardy plaza]

Gorgeous

[gray belfry]

[crisp bronze]

What are the best blessings for the Vraks Mk7 Headhunter? I assume the perks are simply Flak Armour and Maniacs.

[serene sage]

this bitch of a chainsword costs me 4M though

at least it's okay ig

[tall torrent]

Surgical (mandatory)
Deadly accurate (mandatory)
Maniac (mandatory)
Unarmored/elite/flak/unyielding

[crisp bronze]

Not very forgiving in the RNG department is it?

[tall torrent]

Headhunter autoguns are notoriously difficult to roll

And those are just RNG perks & blessings

The base stat roll needs high dmg, stopping power and stability
Ammo as high as u can get and mobility >50%

[crisp bronze]

Thanks!

[quasi socket]

whats min rating req to roll t4 blessings?

[tall torrent]

Don’t know

It’s really random

[near sable]

16,000 prayers to the emperor

[gray belfry]

ive had it happen on high 350s and low 360s. ive had 380 gives two t3s

[near sable]

suboptimal

[gray belfry]

current crafting system is beyond terrible and i hope to christ it gets fixed soon

[near sable]

you will grind for the plasteel

[gray belfry]

but thats a well known complaint

[near sable]

you will sacrifice it to the funny techlady

[tribal tinsel]

"funny"

[near sable]

you will get nothing and be happy

[tall torrent]

for easier visualization

[near sable]

i refuse

i'm gonna put ghost on it

[gray belfry]

ghost and run and gun 'if it evenc an roll that lmao'

[serene sage]

if I want to invest in a HH gun

should I go with Vraks 7 or Agri 9?

[pine halo]

which blessing should i surrender to earn?

[tardy plaza]

Smackdown

[elder vessel]

Executor

[delicate lotus]

What blessings and Perks on a Plasmagun?

[eternal sable]

blood for the emperor, skulls for the golden throne!

[fickle gust]

The one that gives you quick charge for sure

[elder vessel]

Keep cooking

[mellow adder]

MK III Shovel or MK VII?

[elder vessel]

MK LXIX

[eternal sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/876302074994896956/1181709801663770634/222.gif?ex=65820c03&is=656f9703&hm=c4e64442f739a290518c63f40d52de589025b93477ccfa81f104f1482e220106&

[sharp ember]

they both perform very closely, but it should be noted the mk3 shovel spike rips out faster when hitting an enemy with a heavy

other than that, pure moveset preference

they both horde clear fine and single target fine because they both have sweeps and the spike

[fleet thicket]

Guardsmen

[sharp ember]

[fleet thicket]

I am so loyaly pissed

5 days

[south spindle]

Shotgun Vet kinda gud ngl

[fleet thicket]

Strsight I am farming for chainsword

[south spindle]

Not meta breaking, but solid A tier

[fleet thicket]

Not a single good sword

Fatshark

[sharp ember]

oof what the hell are you trying to get on it

[fleet thicket]

Why

[south spindle]

New one?

[fleet thicket]

Yes

[south spindle]

Its worth the farm for sure

[fleet thicket]

All I want is

Savage sweep/ wrath and rampage

[sharp ember]

new chainsword heavies feel a bit slow to me, but the heavy rev hits harder i guess

[fleet thicket]

And manaic and flak

But God

[fleet thicket]

It's heavies stagger ragers though

Hit them in the head

With it

[serene bough]

new chaxe is nice too

good moveset

[fleet thicket]

That one is for my zealot